Chrono Compendium
Zenan Plains - Site Discussion => Polling => Topic started by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on October 29, 2008, 07:45:52 pm
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Assuming that such a fangame was actually created, what do you think would best suit Melchior? Take nothing into consideration except for the fact that it's Melchior, the Guru of Life. Ignore plot musings, etc. Just think about the Melchior.
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I don't think he'd make a good playable. He seems to be too frail to fight physically. If anything, he would just sort of be a summon or something.
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I'd honestly rather see Gaspar, just because you know he's hiding awesome combat talent.
And frankly, the dissonance of seeing an old man with a walking stick and bowler hat fight a cosmic horror like Lavos is cool.
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Yeah, I'd have to agree with Pyt.
But I can see Melchior as a sage like character, telling the heroes where to go. Isn't that what he already does anyways?
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I agree, that he would make a good sage-like character--and like Onslaught said, he's already filling that role, to a limited extent. But I don't think there's anything keeping him from being a good fighter: he probably has some knowledge of weaponry, he is a blacksmith after all, and he probably has some interesting magical assets as well. I mean, the man created Masa, Mune, and Doreen, a technical ability like that could help in battle.
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Melchior seems kind of anti-violence (that irony of his character was always a cool point about him), idk if I could see him as a party member...Though I don't know if I could see Gasper either...but you just know he'd have a Tech where he throws his hat! :lol:
Of all the older NPC dudes of CT, I'd rather see Toma become playable, I think...Maybe Toma's "Pop" would instead just revive him (or, hell, maybe you'd play as his ghost)...
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Toma could be probably be more of a playable character than those others.
As for Gaspar, he's the Guru of Time! Not to mention hanging out with Spekkio so much he has to have some magical abilities...
Actually now that I'm on it, Spekkio would make a pretty awesome playable character. His form changing with his level.
Melchior though, can't see it. Cause he doesn't like fighting. Although it'd be funny to see a pacifist all out slaughtering every opponent in sight. :lol: Makes me think of a horror movie...
"I don't want to do this..."
Chainsaw roars.
"But you leave me no choice, MEE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!"
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Toma is definitely one of the most playable NPCs, and he could probably be one helluva fighter, but holy shit, Spekkio would be one of the coolest playable characters in any game: he'd be like Pip, with a higher awesome factor. But I could see Melchior fighting, to some extent, he might be old, but if he was pushed right he could pull off a good attack or two.
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Yeah, Spekkio would be like Pip in a world where Pip didn't suck ass...
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Hehehe... You like Toma as a playable character, eh...?
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Sorry to bring this one back to life, but I think it'd be cool to have Melchior as a PC, as long as his character goes from fighting for necessity to what he is in CT, like if you show why he doesn't approve of violence. A lot of potential there, actually.
Toma, however, needs his own game. I think his story would need to be fleshed out. He's got Marty McFly syndrome already (Of course, I mean that his ancestors and descendants all look the same despite genetic variation, and not Parkinsons Disorder).
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A Melchior spriteset would be difficult to make though. His body aspect doesn't match any other PC so you'd have to make his frames almost from scratch (as opposed to more simple works like modifying Magus' frames, etc.).
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Yeah, we sorta talked about various other sprite sheets we'd like to see eventually...Zephira is currently working on the Prophet at the very least that I know of...But I also thought alt art Magus colors (aka Gold Pants, Red Cape, etc Magus) and maybe Living Statue Magus (Magus made to look like his statue come to life) would be cool...and of course badass Human Glenn...
I suppose in a prequel game, if it was done just right, I could see Melchior playable...
(http://www.chronocompendium.com/images/wiki/thumb/8/82/Melchior.jpg/292px-Melchior.jpg)
But yeah, I don't see his sprites really lending themselves much to action...Which might make it interesting to see done...I see him more at the weapon shop guy with a quirky sense of morals...Otherwise now I'd feel like he'd be too much like Zappa...
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But I also thought alt art Magus colors (aka Gold Pants, Red Cape, etc Magus) and maybe Living Statue Magus (Magus made to look like his statue come to life) would be cool...
Magus with the red cape is easy (see attached). Gold pants are a lot tougher--the highlight colour on his pants is used in his hair an awful lot, so staying within the colour constraints is proving more difficult. If people are genuinely interested, I can keep working on it, though.
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(http://cc.ffsky.cn/TEMP/Ctpsxmelchior.png)
Maybe he looks better when holding a bottle of alcohol.
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(http://cc.ffsky.cn/TEMP/Ctpsxmelchior.png)
Maybe he looks better when holding a bottle of alcohol.
Doesn't anyone? Haha.
Got 666 EXP.
Got Beer Goggles
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What? Playable Toma...?
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No playable Toma from a future Compendium project. Nope, nope, nope. Never gonna happen.
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Anyway, with respect to Melchior, after seeing him in Crimson Echoes and Prophet's Guile, I view him as a possible former military man. He's kind of like Yoda. A sage who advises the party, but he can pull out a serious can of whoopass in a cool fight scene. Not to mention he can hold his liquor.
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(http://cc.ffsky.cn/TEMP/Ctpsxmelchior.png)
Maybe he looks better when holding a bottle of alcohol.
Doesn't anyone? Haha.
Got 666 EXP.
Got Beer Goggles
Wow, I just noticed he has a striking resemblance to King Kai.
Aside that, no, I don't think he'd make for a cool party member. He hates fighting and violence, and I never understood why he became a blacksmith with those kind of feelings. It's like a videogame producer that hates people who play videogames.
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Maybe that's where his fighting comes into play. He wasn't always an old man y'know sonny?
EH in my day you young whippersnappers I remember Melchior runnin' round! Swingin' his sword and blowing up all kindsa stuff!
Real fun!
MELCHIOR TRIGGER, varmins!
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Well, Melchior isn't entirely against violence...He sees the possibility in the weapons for both good & evil.
But I also thought alt art Magus colors (aka Gold Pants, Red Cape, etc Magus) and maybe Living Statue Magus (Magus made to look like his statue come to life) would be cool...
Magus with the red cape is easy (see attached). Gold pants are a lot tougher--the highlight colour on his pants is used in his hair an awful lot, so staying within the colour constraints is proving more difficult. If people are genuinely interested, I can keep working on it, though.
The red cape in that doesn't seem like the red of his red cape in the art (though I guess your example was made by simply replacing one color or w/e and wasn't meant to be finished even just the cape), but still kind of neat...oh, and I think the other part of the alt would be making his hair purple...But yeah, gold seems like the hardest part...I think to do it properly you'd have to use different colors than his sprites allow...
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The red cape in that doesn't seem like the red of his red cape in the art (though I guess your example was made by simply replacing one color or w/e and wasn't meant to be finished even just the cape), but still kind of neat...oh, and I think the other part of the alt would be making his hair purple...But yeah, gold seems like the hardest part...I think to do it properly you'd have to use different colors than his sprites allow...
It was a little more than a straight colour swap...but not much more, I admit. (http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/369/iconalfador.gif)
Part of the problem is that I didn't edit the cape shadow, I think--it's used extensively for shadowing in other parts of the sprite, so converting it will involve a lot of tedious pixel editing (the black from the shadow underneath the sprite is probably a reasonable substitution in those cases, it's just that the original artists didn't always use it). Nor did I sample the colours from the relevant official art, which I probably should have done. I'll start a thread over in Kajar Labs for a more serious crack at this, I think, so as not to clutter up this one with stuff that doesn't really belong.
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I like the SuperMagus sig. :lol:
This seems more like a PM...
~V_Translanka
Edit: It really should be but the colorized Magus was the center of conversation so I thought I'd slip that in. Sorry! Won't happen again.
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Just to get the thread back on topic, what do you guys think Melchior's Element would be?
Note that in Prophet's Guile he actually had one, if you paid close attention to his "battle" moves...
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Element in terms of Chrono Trigger? I'd guess...wind/light? Based on that swirly thingy he shot at Magus at one point in Prophet's Guile.
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I thought pretty much every Zealian would be Shadow...He'd have access to all of them...
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I could really see him as fire, though. If you think, three gurus, three magic types. Belthasar could be water, and Gaspar could be Sky or Light or whatever you'd like to call it.
Reasoning:
Melchior gets trapped in ice on Mt. Woe, which may mean he's not able to defend himself against it as well. Also, he forges weapons, and you need a lot of heat to do that, but I saw no anvil or hammer or anything to indicate he could make a weapon without magic.
Belthasar just seems so knowledgable about the icy Death Peak.
Gaspar lives on a platform that floats to nowhere from nowhere in the middle of the air at the end of time. With a light. It's a shaky connection at best.
Edit: Also, I'll point out Belthasar's writing "All life begins and ends with Nu" and the fact that the localized names are those of the three kings of the nativity story. In most religions, all life begins and ends with water. Another shaky Belthasar to water connection.
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Lol, I guess he could really be anything. I made him Sky/Green in PG based on Mune's "I wanna be the wind" quote, Masa&Mune's wind-based attacks, and his creation of a Seed of Life. It's all just interpretation though. The developers probably didn't have an official Element for him (let alone a Dragonian color).
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I always thought Melchior might be Water--it would make sense for the Guru of "Life" to have healing powers.
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Crono has the Life spell though...Shadow still makes the most sense to me. All of these allusions still hold true even with Shadow. Wasn't that what the Zealian was talking about when referring to Crono & Co.'s Magic being archaic (I forget the actual wording)...? Since Magus isn't in your party at that time you don't have an innate Shadow in your party...
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Young Woman: Your powers differ from ours... In you I sense a strange aura of... kindness.
Retranslation: Young Woman: Hm? Your power would seem to have a slightly different feel to it than that of we People of the Light. What could it be......? I sense a mysterious kindness.
different Young Woman: My, you've got an unusual aura! So, you must possess the skill, too! It must be very primitive compared to ours! You poor things!
Retranslation: Oh my, you have a peculiar “spirit”. I suppose you can use the arts as well? But they would seem to be quite primitive arts compared to ours. Ho, ho.
I always thought the 'different feel' meant the powers Spekkio gave Crono Crew was different from what native Zealians posessed. The woman refers to the Enlighted Ones as "People of the Light", that could mean that most Zealians are light/sky innates.
There's another woman who says "the Prophet's aura is full of hatred and sorrow", I think that's the defining point for Shadow innates. With all things considered, I think that Melchior would be a Light innate.
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People of the Light could be a reference to the fact that Zeal was sustained by the Sun Stone...
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Or it might refer to perceived civilization.
A young Melchior could make for an interesting character, but probably not Guru-Melchior. Though either way, I'd say he'd use neither CT based magic or CC magic, the reason being that Zealeans were drawing from Lavos. It was "refined" magic, and thus probably not analogous to what Crono and Co used. Likewise, with a distinct lack of Elements, an Elemental affinity seems unnecessary.
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Nobody mentioned Cyrus? Cryus would kick Toma's sorry arse any day.
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Yup, Cyrus managed to defeat Masa & Mune and was probably on par with Slash and Flea. Toma probably encountered a few dinosaurs in his exploration of the Giant's Claw though, so he's not totally defenseless.
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I think it would be awesome, a crazy old man with a big sword like Frog's!
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I think he should stick as a sage that helps the protagonist through out most parts of the game.
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I could see Belthasar as more of a playable character (including Nu form)