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Title: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: Katie Skyye on August 14, 2008, 10:22:02 pm
Like, if you're level ** when you face it, is it possible to defeat Lavos the first time, in the Ocean Palace?
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Pala
Post by: Prince Janus on August 14, 2008, 10:38:50 pm
 Absolutely!   Any encounter you have with Lavos that involves fight mode going up with him, you can do it.  As for Zeal and Schala and all, that topic never gets covered in the resulting ending. Instead, you return to the end of time where you get to meet the staff behind the game (Masato Kato is not present, but he left a note on a Magus statue saying not to look for him.) In Spekkio's room is the dream team itself!  Talk to Akira Toriyama for a high speed viewing of the credits.

 (also, 100 posts woot.)
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Pala
Post by: Kebrel on August 15, 2008, 02:25:18 am
oh ya, heck B could do it right now he is ** after all.
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: V_Translanka on August 15, 2008, 03:12:37 am
Uh, you don't need to be lvl ** to do it...but you will probably need to do a lil power leveling to accomplish it on your first playthrough...That's lots of Nu hunting, probably...>_>
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: Kilfer on August 15, 2008, 05:06:25 am
Yep, as stated earlier, it is totally possible.

But I don't just rehash posts (usually :-p), I posted to condole my, UNQUENCHABLE ANGER FOR GAMES THAT SET A FIGHT UP FOR YOU TO LOSE AT AFTER YOU WASTED ALL YOUR MP AND HEALTH POTIONS ONLY TO FIND OUT YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO LOSE TO ADVANCE THE STORY! . . . (actually it's cool, but the first time always makes me /facepalm

anyways, totally possible.
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: V_Translanka on August 15, 2008, 08:56:01 am
Yeah, I do normally hate battles like that, especially when they happen late in the game (which, in CT's case I don't think is attributable)...I think it's made me even more wary of using Elixers & the like in battles...But, thanks to CT, I always wonder what'd happen if I had power leveled before such fights and managed to pull off a win (sometimes they're "nice" about it & make it so none of your attacks ever land, though)...
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Pala
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on August 15, 2008, 09:32:43 am
Ah...  The beloved "Dev Room Ending"... I remember the first time I got it...  I had stayed home from school sick and was playing my SNES in my parents bed room...  It was during a New Game + and when I won, I couldn't believe it.  The result for having defeated Lavos at the Ocean Palace floored me...

...and that, as they say, is that.
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: ONSLAUGHT on August 15, 2008, 11:57:48 am
I thought you had to and so that was the first time I beat him. I leveled up so much. :lol:
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: Katie Skyye on August 15, 2008, 01:39:29 pm
Okay...I just wondered, because I'm doing a New Game + playthrough, so I've already beaten him once...but when he attacked, he did MASSIVE damage and killed Lucca and Frog immediately, which did not happen in the actual final boss battle in my first playthrough.

SO I wondered if Ocean Palace's Lvos had higher stats or something so that he would be unbeatable.
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: V_Translanka on August 15, 2008, 02:13:29 pm
He DOES have higher stats.

Ocean Palace Lavos (http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Lavos_(Monster).html#Ocean_Palace)


Your Average Planet Ufcking Lavos (http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Lavos_(Monster).html#Lavos_Shell)

The Compendium Encyclopedia (http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Main_Page.html) is a powerful tool. Use it wisely.
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: Katie Skyye on August 16, 2008, 03:04:23 pm
You refer people to the Encyclopedia a lot, V.

Not that I'm criticizing...it's a good thing! (I just forgot about it...silly me.)
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: V_Translanka on August 16, 2008, 04:48:43 pm
Of course I do! If I don't, I feel like ZeaLitY will be sad that no one's using it when he (& mostly JUST he) put so much work & time into it. It kind of makes me feel like I'm contributing, too. >_>
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: EclipsedExistence on August 16, 2008, 08:26:44 pm
If it makes you feel better, I read it occasionally. It has some nice essays ^.^
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Pala
Post by: Prince Janus on August 17, 2008, 05:27:29 pm
 I have to admit, it's a little disappointing that you never see what really would have happened. Imagine if Magus's attack succeeded?

 Magus: Alright!!  now that he hasn't even destroyed Zeal, I'll just walk outside...      ...Hello, Schala! wanna go and inbreed?

 Male extra: Erm...

 Magus:  What the hell!??    Why are you dressed like Schala??

 Man dressed as Schala: It's a bad makeup day. :(

 Magus: uh...  okay...   ...erm, what the fuck!?

 Okaniwa: They kept us locked up for a long time!!!  Look how long my hair got!!

 Magus: What sorcery is this!!???   I'm looking at myself!!!

 Toriyama: Oh, you're part of a game. Hi kids!!

 Magus: uhuh...           ...beer. now.  (I miss that webcomic...)

 Haruyuki: Hey! Wanna be in a Chrono Trigger 2?

 Magus: NO
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: Peaceman on August 17, 2008, 08:07:36 pm
At high levels, I find Ocean Palace Lavos a lot easier than regular Lavos simply because he doesn't go through all those boss forms when he's in the Shell phase.
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on August 17, 2008, 11:09:12 pm
What I'd like to see is Someone do a Solo with Level 1 Marle against Lavos, no techs. If you can do that, you have my utmost respect.
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: ONSLAUGHT on August 17, 2008, 11:13:02 pm
Solo might be a little tricky but I've seen people do it with lvs 1 Crono and Marle and lv 16 Robo. I tried it myself and it works(their triple tech).
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: Katie Skyye on August 19, 2008, 07:27:07 pm
Of course I do! If I don't, I feel like ZeaLitY will be sad that no one's using it when he (& mostly JUST he) put so much work & time into it. It kind of makes me feel like I'm contributing, too. >_>

I use it a LOT...I just forget sometimes. (I do not have ADD...I'm just forgetful.)
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: ONSLAUGHT on August 19, 2008, 08:08:39 pm
I doubt ADD exists, cause I have an extreme case apparantly, and I know people without who are far more distracted and easy to forget things than me.
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: Kilfer on August 19, 2008, 09:34:57 pm
I quite literally, cannot hear words within music. Unless of course I focus like, ridiculously hard.
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: ONSLAUGHT on August 19, 2008, 09:56:59 pm
I often believe it or not find myself singing along even if it's the first time I've ever heard the song, I'll know what lyric they'll say before they do. It's funny, I mess up my friends while they write songs. I may be a nice [insert gender], but I can be a jerk sometimes.  :wink:
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: Katie Skyye on August 21, 2008, 07:00:44 pm
I quite literally, cannot hear words within music. Unless of course I focus like, ridiculously hard.

How odd! If you've heard the song more than once, it becomes easier to understand the words, no?
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: Kilfer on August 22, 2008, 03:42:25 am
The easiest way for me to hear the words in music, is if I'm reading the lyrics as the song goes. If I DO hear the song (through a ridiculous amount of focus), then yeah it DOES get easier the longer and more often I hear it.
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: Katie Skyye on August 22, 2008, 08:30:31 pm
The easiest way for me to hear the words in music, is if I'm reading the lyrics as the song goes. If I DO hear the song (through a ridiculous amount of focus), then yeah it DOES get easier the longer and more often I hear it.

Strange, but cool! In most songs, the lyrics ruin the music (IMO).
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: ONSLAUGHT on August 22, 2008, 11:13:10 pm
You rarely see a song with original lyrics. What I've found is near impossible to do well is right action lyrics, like battle something that would fit in a martial arts movie and it's not because it's rock n roll(which they do a lot, action scene but the lyrics are romantic ones with rock in the back). I know this mostly because I used to write lyrics for songs. People constantly ask for romantic stuff. BUT, on the other hand if you give me about 6 hours I can come up with some really corny but touching stuff.

I wonder how hard it'd be to make lyrics for a video game?
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: Kilfer on August 23, 2008, 06:01:14 am
I wonder how hard it'd be to make lyrics for a video game?
MSG3 (Metal Gear Solid) had a direct japanese translation to english for it's intro song. The japanese translation had it's awkward moments, but it still made a bad-ass opening and intro song for a game.
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: ONSLAUGHT on August 23, 2008, 11:59:45 am
With one example, I can only assume.
Difficult.
I also assume that because of DDR's ideas of lyrics to Beethoven.
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: Mitchr90 on August 23, 2008, 12:47:59 pm
ffVII did a good job with implementing lyrics in one winged angel
it had no language limitation, since the language the song was in wasnt the language any of us spoke!
if i do remember correctly the words were taken from a spanish poem
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on August 23, 2008, 06:09:03 pm
I wonder how hard it'd be to make lyrics for a video game?
MSG3 (Metal Gear Solid) had a direct japanese translation to english for it's intro song. The japanese translation had it's awkward moments, but it still made a bad-ass opening and intro song for a game.


Snaaaake Eater~~~~


That song is damn catchy.
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: Kilfer on August 24, 2008, 05:46:09 am
Oh f-ing totally!

It was totally japanese, yet, somehow and old american dog-of-war (not god), dirt and nasty kind of style to it, rugged ;-)
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: Katie Skyye on August 24, 2008, 10:17:23 pm
ffVII did a good job with implementing lyrics in one winged angel
it had no language limitation, since the language the song was in wasnt the language any of us spoke!
if i do remember correctly the words were taken from a spanish poem

"Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah-blah-blah, blah-blah-blah, SEPHIROTH! SEPHIROTH!"

Real meaningful.
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on August 25, 2008, 10:07:44 am
It was latin, if I remember correctly. You ca find the english lyrics everywere on the internet.

(i'm just too lazy to link to it.)
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: ONSLAUGHT on August 25, 2008, 12:27:38 pm
The english lyrics really didn't fit though.
Burning with anger, fate is mysterious, don't kill me. That's what the three different sets said overrall and the song repeated. Why else would they choose the latin lyrics over the english lyrics?
It's like which would you rather use, the hadouken or the wave motion fist? Hadouken sounds so much more awesome.
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Pala
Post by: Chocobo_Fan on August 25, 2008, 07:12:05 pm
Haha, that's a good point, Onslaught. :p Things generally sound cooler when they're in some other language you don't know. It's weird. o.O

And yeah, OWA is latin. I can never quite make out the exact syllables. But yeah, I have to agree...
"Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah-blah-blah, blah-blah-blah, SEPHIROTH! SEPHIROTH!"

Real meaningful.

Indeed. :p
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Pala
Post by: Chocobo_Fan on August 25, 2008, 07:21:10 pm
Isn't this off-topic, though? This is about defeating Lavos at the Ocean Palace, not lyrics to songs... o.O

Feh. Whatever.
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on August 25, 2008, 08:06:28 pm
Threads here can get off topic pretty quickly. Nothin' but a thang.
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Pala
Post by: Chocobo_Fan on August 26, 2008, 09:07:03 am
Oh. :) I'm new here. I came from another forum where rules were very strict. Such as no getting off-topic. Didn't know some things were looser around here.
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Pala
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on August 26, 2008, 09:07:49 am
But I should note: off-topic conversation in the Analysis Forum is a big no-no.
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Pala
Post by: Chocobo_Fan on August 26, 2008, 09:18:58 am
Ah, yes, that would make sense. Thanks for helping out a poor newbie! ^_^

Unfortunately, I don't really have anything more to say on OWA, though.
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Pala
Post by: Gluttony on August 26, 2008, 10:48:56 am
OWA makes my pee pee tingle.
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: ONSLAUGHT on August 26, 2008, 01:45:00 pm
Burning inside
With violent anger
Burning inside
With violent anger
Sephiroth
Sephiroth
Burning inside
With violent anger
Burning inside
With violent anger
Sephiroth
Sephiroth
Fate, monstrous
And empty
Fate, monstrous
And empty
Burning inside
With violent anger
Burning inside
With violent anger
Sephiroth
Sephiroth
Come, come, please come,
Lest you make me die
Come, come, please come,
Lest you make me die
Come, come, please come,
Let me not die easily
Come, come, please come,
Let me not die easily
Come, come, please come,
Let me not die easily
Come, come, please come,
Let me not die easily
Come, come, please come,
Let me not die easily
Come, come, please come,
Let me not die easily
Sephiroth
Sephiroth
Sephiroth

There is a really cool song. Put that to the tune and see it horribly mutilated.
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: V_Translanka on August 26, 2008, 03:02:51 pm
But I should note: off-topic conversation in the Analysis Forum is a big no-no.

That kind of depends, really, though. Because analysis in one thread can lead to analysis of another subject either within the same field of reference or sometimes without and that's completely acceptable, I think...Just so long as it's still about Chrono analysis.
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: Lakonthegreat on August 26, 2008, 04:51:59 pm
Actually, did you know that Sephiroth literally means, "Path to God"?

I thought it was pretty cool.
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Pala
Post by: Chocobo_Fan on August 26, 2008, 05:05:56 pm
Yeah, Japan does not like Christianity. Any reference to Christianity in anything like FF = doom and evilness. Sephiroth is also a name of a seraph in the Bible, I think. (I'm not Christan, so I wouldn't know exactly...) Oh, Japan also hates halos. (FF8, anyone? Although the halo did save one garden, it then became a not-halo, and all the other halos, like the one on the carriage and over Galbadia Garden, indicated evilness)
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Pala
Post by: Kebrel on August 26, 2008, 05:07:44 pm
Where the hell did you come up with that?
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: V_Translanka on August 26, 2008, 05:22:32 pm
Yeah, Japan does not like Christianity. Any reference to Christianity in anything like FF = doom and evilness.

Um, that's not a problem with Japan...It was more an old problem with Nintendo USA & censorship values at the time, really.
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: ONSLAUGHT on August 26, 2008, 05:29:28 pm
Censorship, it belongs in certain places. Video games they need to make up their minds about ratings. Like Smash bros 1 to Melee, they had the same themes, nothing more was added to the elements otherthan gameplay and it somehow went from E to T. For awhile i thought because of that me and my friends made jokes how the third would be M.
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Pala
Post by: Chocobo_Fan on August 26, 2008, 05:31:05 pm
@ V: ...Really? I don't think it's a coincidence that the name of an angel, and one that means "Path to God" at that, is the main villain in FF7, and that the main villain (sorta) has a carriage with a halo over it in FF8, plus the whole thing with Yevon in FF10... All of which came after SE split off from Nintendo, I might add. (I do know that for the earlier FFs, there were censorship issues at the time -- Holy to Fade and whatnot) Or I might just be wrong. But I do think it's something to note. Doesn't really matter to me, since I'm not Christan, but... *shrugs*

Eh, yeah, since more often than not you've been right and I've been wrong, even in the short time I've been here, let's just say that you're right. I don't want to get into an argument.
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: V_Translanka on August 26, 2008, 05:34:55 pm
I just don't understand how what you're referencing equates to Japan not liking Christianity...>_>

Kefka's final form also highly resembled a seraph, having 3 sets of wings...I'm sure there are more religious implications as well. The series (& a lot of non-fiction, really) draws a lot from multiple religions.
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Pala
Post by: Chocobo_Fan on August 26, 2008, 05:40:49 pm
See? I said, you're right. Besides, it isn't really my place to talk about something like this. It was just something I noticed.
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: ONSLAUGHT on August 26, 2008, 06:01:21 pm
It's moreso the American versions that have more censorship than Japanese versions. A lot of Crono's moves weren't Lightning themed but rather Heaven themed before he decided to adventure to America.
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Pala
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on August 26, 2008, 07:09:50 pm
It's because America is so obsessed with being politically correct and polite.  By removing any potentially "offensive" religious connotations in their games, Square removes any chance of offending anyone.
Title: Re: Is it possible to beat Lavos the 1st time you encounter it in the Ocean Palace?
Post by: ONSLAUGHT on August 26, 2008, 07:44:49 pm
I don't see how Crono, the good guy could be translated to heaven = satan.
But from what I've seen, it can be done.