Chrono Compendium
Zenan Plains - Site Discussion => Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion => Topic started by: Katie Skyye on August 14, 2008, 10:22:02 pm
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Like, if you're level ** when you face it, is it possible to defeat Lavos the first time, in the Ocean Palace?
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Absolutely! Any encounter you have with Lavos that involves fight mode going up with him, you can do it. As for Zeal and Schala and all, that topic never gets covered in the resulting ending. Instead, you return to the end of time where you get to meet the staff behind the game (Masato Kato is not present, but he left a note on a Magus statue saying not to look for him.) In Spekkio's room is the dream team itself! Talk to Akira Toriyama for a high speed viewing of the credits.
(also, 100 posts woot.)
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oh ya, heck B could do it right now he is ** after all.
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Uh, you don't need to be lvl ** to do it...but you will probably need to do a lil power leveling to accomplish it on your first playthrough...That's lots of Nu hunting, probably...>_>
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Yep, as stated earlier, it is totally possible.
But I don't just rehash posts (usually :-p), I posted to condole my, UNQUENCHABLE ANGER FOR GAMES THAT SET A FIGHT UP FOR YOU TO LOSE AT AFTER YOU WASTED ALL YOUR MP AND HEALTH POTIONS ONLY TO FIND OUT YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO LOSE TO ADVANCE THE STORY! . . . (actually it's cool, but the first time always makes me /facepalm
anyways, totally possible.
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Yeah, I do normally hate battles like that, especially when they happen late in the game (which, in CT's case I don't think is attributable)...I think it's made me even more wary of using Elixers & the like in battles...But, thanks to CT, I always wonder what'd happen if I had power leveled before such fights and managed to pull off a win (sometimes they're "nice" about it & make it so none of your attacks ever land, though)...
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Ah... The beloved "Dev Room Ending"... I remember the first time I got it... I had stayed home from school sick and was playing my SNES in my parents bed room... It was during a New Game + and when I won, I couldn't believe it. The result for having defeated Lavos at the Ocean Palace floored me...
...and that, as they say, is that.
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I thought you had to and so that was the first time I beat him. I leveled up so much. :lol:
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Okay...I just wondered, because I'm doing a New Game + playthrough, so I've already beaten him once...but when he attacked, he did MASSIVE damage and killed Lucca and Frog immediately, which did not happen in the actual final boss battle in my first playthrough.
SO I wondered if Ocean Palace's Lvos had higher stats or something so that he would be unbeatable.
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He DOES have higher stats.
Ocean Palace Lavos (http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Lavos_(Monster).html#Ocean_Palace)
Your Average Planet Ufcking Lavos (http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Lavos_(Monster).html#Lavos_Shell)
The Compendium Encyclopedia (http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Main_Page.html) is a powerful tool. Use it wisely.
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You refer people to the Encyclopedia a lot, V.
Not that I'm criticizing...it's a good thing! (I just forgot about it...silly me.)
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Of course I do! If I don't, I feel like ZeaLitY will be sad that no one's using it when he (& mostly JUST he) put so much work & time into it. It kind of makes me feel like I'm contributing, too. >_>
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If it makes you feel better, I read it occasionally. It has some nice essays ^.^
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I have to admit, it's a little disappointing that you never see what really would have happened. Imagine if Magus's attack succeeded?
Magus: Alright!! now that he hasn't even destroyed Zeal, I'll just walk outside... ...Hello, Schala! wanna go and inbreed?
Male extra: Erm...
Magus: What the hell!?? Why are you dressed like Schala??
Man dressed as Schala: It's a bad makeup day. :(
Magus: uh... okay... ...erm, what the fuck!?
Okaniwa: They kept us locked up for a long time!!! Look how long my hair got!!
Magus: What sorcery is this!!??? I'm looking at myself!!!
Toriyama: Oh, you're part of a game. Hi kids!!
Magus: uhuh... ...beer. now. (I miss that webcomic...)
Haruyuki: Hey! Wanna be in a Chrono Trigger 2?
Magus: NO
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At high levels, I find Ocean Palace Lavos a lot easier than regular Lavos simply because he doesn't go through all those boss forms when he's in the Shell phase.
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What I'd like to see is Someone do a Solo with Level 1 Marle against Lavos, no techs. If you can do that, you have my utmost respect.
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Solo might be a little tricky but I've seen people do it with lvs 1 Crono and Marle and lv 16 Robo. I tried it myself and it works(their triple tech).
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Of course I do! If I don't, I feel like ZeaLitY will be sad that no one's using it when he (& mostly JUST he) put so much work & time into it. It kind of makes me feel like I'm contributing, too. >_>
I use it a LOT...I just forget sometimes. (I do not have ADD...I'm just forgetful.)
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I doubt ADD exists, cause I have an extreme case apparantly, and I know people without who are far more distracted and easy to forget things than me.
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I quite literally, cannot hear words within music. Unless of course I focus like, ridiculously hard.
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I often believe it or not find myself singing along even if it's the first time I've ever heard the song, I'll know what lyric they'll say before they do. It's funny, I mess up my friends while they write songs. I may be a nice [insert gender], but I can be a jerk sometimes. :wink:
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I quite literally, cannot hear words within music. Unless of course I focus like, ridiculously hard.
How odd! If you've heard the song more than once, it becomes easier to understand the words, no?
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The easiest way for me to hear the words in music, is if I'm reading the lyrics as the song goes. If I DO hear the song (through a ridiculous amount of focus), then yeah it DOES get easier the longer and more often I hear it.
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The easiest way for me to hear the words in music, is if I'm reading the lyrics as the song goes. If I DO hear the song (through a ridiculous amount of focus), then yeah it DOES get easier the longer and more often I hear it.
Strange, but cool! In most songs, the lyrics ruin the music (IMO).
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You rarely see a song with original lyrics. What I've found is near impossible to do well is right action lyrics, like battle something that would fit in a martial arts movie and it's not because it's rock n roll(which they do a lot, action scene but the lyrics are romantic ones with rock in the back). I know this mostly because I used to write lyrics for songs. People constantly ask for romantic stuff. BUT, on the other hand if you give me about 6 hours I can come up with some really corny but touching stuff.
I wonder how hard it'd be to make lyrics for a video game?
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I wonder how hard it'd be to make lyrics for a video game?
MSG3 (Metal Gear Solid) had a direct japanese translation to english for it's intro song. The japanese translation had it's awkward moments, but it still made a bad-ass opening and intro song for a game.
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With one example, I can only assume.
Difficult.
I also assume that because of DDR's ideas of lyrics to Beethoven.
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ffVII did a good job with implementing lyrics in one winged angel
it had no language limitation, since the language the song was in wasnt the language any of us spoke!
if i do remember correctly the words were taken from a spanish poem
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I wonder how hard it'd be to make lyrics for a video game?
MSG3 (Metal Gear Solid) had a direct japanese translation to english for it's intro song. The japanese translation had it's awkward moments, but it still made a bad-ass opening and intro song for a game.
Snaaaake Eater~~~~
That song is damn catchy.
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Oh f-ing totally!
It was totally japanese, yet, somehow and old american dog-of-war (not god), dirt and nasty kind of style to it, rugged ;-)
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ffVII did a good job with implementing lyrics in one winged angel
it had no language limitation, since the language the song was in wasnt the language any of us spoke!
if i do remember correctly the words were taken from a spanish poem
"Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah-blah-blah, blah-blah-blah, SEPHIROTH! SEPHIROTH!"
Real meaningful.
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It was latin, if I remember correctly. You ca find the english lyrics everywere on the internet.
(i'm just too lazy to link to it.)
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The english lyrics really didn't fit though.
Burning with anger, fate is mysterious, don't kill me. That's what the three different sets said overrall and the song repeated. Why else would they choose the latin lyrics over the english lyrics?
It's like which would you rather use, the hadouken or the wave motion fist? Hadouken sounds so much more awesome.
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Haha, that's a good point, Onslaught. :p Things generally sound cooler when they're in some other language you don't know. It's weird. o.O
And yeah, OWA is latin. I can never quite make out the exact syllables. But yeah, I have to agree...
"Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah-blah-blah, blah-blah-blah, SEPHIROTH! SEPHIROTH!"
Real meaningful.
Indeed. :p
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Isn't this off-topic, though? This is about defeating Lavos at the Ocean Palace, not lyrics to songs... o.O
Feh. Whatever.
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Threads here can get off topic pretty quickly. Nothin' but a thang.
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Oh. :) I'm new here. I came from another forum where rules were very strict. Such as no getting off-topic. Didn't know some things were looser around here.
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But I should note: off-topic conversation in the Analysis Forum is a big no-no.
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Ah, yes, that would make sense. Thanks for helping out a poor newbie! ^_^
Unfortunately, I don't really have anything more to say on OWA, though.
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OWA makes my pee pee tingle.
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Burning inside
With violent anger
Burning inside
With violent anger
Sephiroth
Sephiroth
Burning inside
With violent anger
Burning inside
With violent anger
Sephiroth
Sephiroth
Fate, monstrous
And empty
Fate, monstrous
And empty
Burning inside
With violent anger
Burning inside
With violent anger
Sephiroth
Sephiroth
Come, come, please come,
Lest you make me die
Come, come, please come,
Lest you make me die
Come, come, please come,
Let me not die easily
Come, come, please come,
Let me not die easily
Come, come, please come,
Let me not die easily
Come, come, please come,
Let me not die easily
Come, come, please come,
Let me not die easily
Come, come, please come,
Let me not die easily
Sephiroth
Sephiroth
Sephiroth
There is a really cool song. Put that to the tune and see it horribly mutilated.
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But I should note: off-topic conversation in the Analysis Forum is a big no-no.
That kind of depends, really, though. Because analysis in one thread can lead to analysis of another subject either within the same field of reference or sometimes without and that's completely acceptable, I think...Just so long as it's still about Chrono analysis.
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Actually, did you know that Sephiroth literally means, "Path to God"?
I thought it was pretty cool.
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Yeah, Japan does not like Christianity. Any reference to Christianity in anything like FF = doom and evilness. Sephiroth is also a name of a seraph in the Bible, I think. (I'm not Christan, so I wouldn't know exactly...) Oh, Japan also hates halos. (FF8, anyone? Although the halo did save one garden, it then became a not-halo, and all the other halos, like the one on the carriage and over Galbadia Garden, indicated evilness)
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Where the hell did you come up with that?
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Yeah, Japan does not like Christianity. Any reference to Christianity in anything like FF = doom and evilness.
Um, that's not a problem with Japan...It was more an old problem with Nintendo USA & censorship values at the time, really.
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Censorship, it belongs in certain places. Video games they need to make up their minds about ratings. Like Smash bros 1 to Melee, they had the same themes, nothing more was added to the elements otherthan gameplay and it somehow went from E to T. For awhile i thought because of that me and my friends made jokes how the third would be M.
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@ V: ...Really? I don't think it's a coincidence that the name of an angel, and one that means "Path to God" at that, is the main villain in FF7, and that the main villain (sorta) has a carriage with a halo over it in FF8, plus the whole thing with Yevon in FF10... All of which came after SE split off from Nintendo, I might add. (I do know that for the earlier FFs, there were censorship issues at the time -- Holy to Fade and whatnot) Or I might just be wrong. But I do think it's something to note. Doesn't really matter to me, since I'm not Christan, but... *shrugs*
Eh, yeah, since more often than not you've been right and I've been wrong, even in the short time I've been here, let's just say that you're right. I don't want to get into an argument.
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I just don't understand how what you're referencing equates to Japan not liking Christianity...>_>
Kefka's final form also highly resembled a seraph, having 3 sets of wings...I'm sure there are more religious implications as well. The series (& a lot of non-fiction, really) draws a lot from multiple religions.
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See? I said, you're right. Besides, it isn't really my place to talk about something like this. It was just something I noticed.
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It's moreso the American versions that have more censorship than Japanese versions. A lot of Crono's moves weren't Lightning themed but rather Heaven themed before he decided to adventure to America.
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It's because America is so obsessed with being politically correct and polite. By removing any potentially "offensive" religious connotations in their games, Square removes any chance of offending anyone.
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I don't see how Crono, the good guy could be translated to heaven = satan.
But from what I've seen, it can be done.