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Title: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: rushingwind on July 17, 2008, 04:50:06 am
"THE DARK KNIGHT" IS AN AMAZING MOVIE.

Working at a movie theater has its advantages. Such as being required to "quality check" movies before they come out. :) So, obviously, I just spent the last three hours watching "The Dark Knight".

Let me be clear. I don't really like comics or superhero stuff. The older Batman movies (the 80's and 90's ones)? Hated them. They were too silly for my tastes, and none of the villains were scary. I liked "Batman Begins" quite a bit, but it wouldn't be one of my favorites. I honestly didn't believe that the Joker could be pulled off either believably or in a remotely scary fashion.

I was wrong.

"The Dark Knight" probably just became my favorite movie of ALL TIME. IT IS THAT AWESOME. HEATH LEDGER SCARED THE CRAP OUT OF ME IN THAT MOVIE.

Heath Ledger as the Joker was AMAZING. I would be scared to death of this guy if he were real and I ever met him. I was very doubtful at first of Heath Ledger's ability to play the role until I saw the teaser trailer for the movie. I thought, "Eh, I'll give him a chance." HE IS A HUNDRED TIMES BETTER THAN I COULD HAVE EVER IMAGINED. In fact, I can't even imagine anyone else in that role now. Heath Ledger IS the face of the Joker now!

At times the Joker's antics were like calculated chaos. Here's the thing though, HE WASN'T PSYCHOTIC. He had a complete grasp on reality for the entire length of the movie! He completely knew the difference of right and wrong, but loved wrong, and loved pain and making other people hurt! AND HE WAS COMPLETELY BELIEVABLE! He's the first true villain I've seen who's sanity is questionable, and not for the reasons you might think! Yes, he acted crazy, but though you know he's insane, he meets none of the normal criteria for insanity (other than the traditional, 'he wants to kill people' perspective). You know something is VERY wrong about this guy, yet...yet...you just can't figure out what! He's not insane (not completely, at least), he's not psychotic, and he's got a full grasp on reality, and you're not sure if he's a flippin' genius or a crazy dog as time goes on.

He was SCARY. I mean, there are weird villains in every superhero flick, but his performance is very intense. I...wow. I just don't know what else to say. I think Heath Ledger scared the crap out of me as the bad guy.

The movie was long, but I didn't notice. In fact, when it was over, I was looking at my watch and going, "Hey, is it over already?"

Go see The Dark Knight. GO AS SOON AS YOU CAN. I see most of the movies that come out (it's part of my job), but I haven't seen one this amazing in YEARS. Even if you're not a fan of Batman (I'm not) please go! You won't regret it!

I know I'm just going on and on about it, but...wow. AMAZING.  I just want to tell everyone I can about it!  :)
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: Lakonthegreat on July 17, 2008, 05:54:13 am
Catching the midnight show tomorrow.


SUPER EXCITED, and thank you so much for the spoiler free review.
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: Lakonthegreat on July 18, 2008, 05:50:31 am
This is a spoiler free review.


Let me preface this review by saying that I have become somewhat of a film connoisseur in my life. I've seen everything from C and D-list movies that never stood a chance, to gigantic box office flops that were filled to bursting with empty promises of grandeur.

If you were to compress every one of those $1 bin pieces of trash pressed onto plastic as 1's and 0's along with every copy of movies like Ang Lee's renditions of the Hulk and Godzilla into a void of abhorrent desolation, this movie would be the polar opposite designed only to eliminate all of the horror and pain that that void has caused.

This movie lulled me in with the stunning CGI intro, and then slammed me into a suspenseful thrill ride that kept my eyes riveted to the screen I sat in front of, and my buttocks firmly grasping the cushion that had become their domicile for the next 2.6 hours (I stayed for the credits just to see what all went into this beautiful creation.)

I have to say that in my time, I have seen a number of movies from a number of different genres. I have also seen many films that crossed these genres. No movie, however, has EVER convincingly taken every bit of suspense from some of the best horror movies ever going back all the way to the original Nosferatu, formed it and shaped it with the hands that broke so many necks in every decent action movie ever made, AND added every bit of dark comedy that one has come to expect from the likes of those B-movie screenwriters and directors that will never get the credit they deserve for the masterpieces that they create. This movie has successfully done all three. If one were to follow an archetype for a "superhero movie" or a "comic book movie," let them follow the one set in this film my the Nolan brothers and the rest of the cast and crew.

A word about Heath Ledger. I lament for his friends, family, and fans. But if he were alive today, I would pray to the Almighty God of Heaven and Earth that he would never be cast as the Joker again. There is a VERY good reason for this. The reason is that I simply do not think that this performance could be duplicated even by a man so tortured by his inner demons as Heath Ledger. This was the single best villain I have ever seen in a film, and I believe that the 100 top villains list should be corrected accordingly.

Christian Bale is the best Batman ever, I will hear no argument otherwise. By saying he's the best Batman ever, I intend to explain that the original Batman created by Bob Kane in the 1950's was very dark, brooding, mysterious, and very stone cold serious. I think that the best adaptation of this Batman was characterized by Frank Miller, and could only be executed by such a man as Christian Bale. Yes, the obvious small lisp in his voice does add to this role, as even the richest man in Gotham, Bruce Wayne, has faults. I believe that Christian Bale was made for this role, and I cannot wait to see what he does with John Connor.

I'm assuming that the next Batman movie will probably feature Rupert Thorne, Catwoman, The Riddler, or The Penguin. If you know anything about Batman at all then I have no need to explain what villain has already shown his face(s) as Harvey Dent, and R'has al Gh'ul was defeated in Batman Begins.

I don't care what the next movie looks like. As long as these people stay on as the development cast and crew, I have no problem handing them my $9 to sit and be hit with a rotten fish before the movie starts. I would not care.

So in conclusion, this movie has no rating scale on this planet large enough to contain the amount of stars or points that could be awarded to it. It gets an A+++ from me. Go see it, because I'm going to go see it again.
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: neo-fusion on July 18, 2008, 01:24:55 pm
welll i want to see it bad... my brother is being a bitch and won't get tickets beforehand so now we are fucked... Anyway I will say this rgiht now. I think Heath will be a cooler joker but jack is the better actor.

I also think that george clooney is the best batman... AHAHAHAHAHAA anyway yes Christian bale is the awsomest batman.

The thing that really pisses me off is that people love tim burtons stuff when it isn't even remotely realistic. It's built in a grim world by a grim and weird person. The tim burton batmans were not good. They were not thrilling. They were not cool. They were not realistic. Whereas here we have all of those in the new batman.

Fuck off Tim Burton lovers.
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: placidchap on July 18, 2008, 01:34:33 pm

Fuck off Batman lovers.

Fixed.
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: Lakonthegreat on July 18, 2008, 02:31:45 pm

Batman lovers deserve medals.

Fixed.


Yep. Now it's fixed.
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on July 18, 2008, 04:17:53 pm
The movie was too long.  For real.  It was great, but it was too long.

Overall it was an amazing film; not only one of the best superhero movies, but one of the best movies I've seen in a long, long time.

I loved the way they portrayed Harvey Dent, and I loved the way Two-Face looked even more.
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on July 18, 2008, 11:18:02 pm
FUCKING BEST BATMAN MOVE EVER AND EVER FOREVER OH MY GAWD.

The Joker... He's incredible. He's not even a villain, when you think about it, he's just insane. Heath Ledger is an amazing actor.

During the scene where he says "I'm gonna make this pencil dissapear", and he slams it straight into the guys head, everyone in the theatre, including myself, cheered.

The movie was too long.  For real.  It was great, but it was too long.

But that's the thing; When a movie is utterly spectacular as The Dark Knight is, you shouldn't care if it's long. I know I didn't, in fact, I didn't want the movie to end.



But if they make a third, they better not bring Robin in. I hate Robin, he sucks.
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: ZeaLitY on July 19, 2008, 01:06:30 am
I was a mini-celebrity at my theater. It took 45 minutes to do...

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Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on July 19, 2008, 01:10:18 am
WHY SO SERIOUS ZEALITY?

Awesome Cosplay. Someone did that at the theater I went to as well.


Seriously, I felt lame because everyone else was wearing something batman-esque and I wasn't.
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: ZeaLitY on July 19, 2008, 01:15:19 am
Out of 500 people who went, 1 person wore a Batman mask at my theater. No one else made any attempt to dress up. I was crushed until I realized that it made me that much more awesome.
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on July 19, 2008, 01:33:52 am
Out of 500 people who went, 1 person wore a Batman mask at my theater. No one else made any attempt to dress up. I was crushed until I realized that it made me that much more awesome.

Exactly.

Jeez, I should've at least worn a shirt or something... I stopped by Hot Topic right after the movie and used the little cash I had left to buy a Joker T-shirt, which was surprisingly cheap.

TO ANYONE AND EVERYONE WHO SAYS JACK NICHOLSON PLAYED A BETTER JOKER:

Were you watching the same movie? Did you see how beautifully Heath Ledger acted? From the incoherent mumbling while talking to the Mafia, to that eerie cackling while falling to his doom, he did a perfect representation of who The Joker is; No, scratch that, He made The Joker even cooler. He did what Nicholson didn't: He gave the Joker a past, and made him even a likeable character. He brought him past "Villain", and made him an insane recluse bent on destruction, who still manages to have a blast.

Props to Nicholson, he's a great actor, but Ledger wins hands down (may he rest in peace).

Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: ZeaLitY on July 19, 2008, 01:49:13 am
Ledger made Nicholson look like a complete, spineless wimp.
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on July 19, 2008, 01:53:14 am
Ledger made Nicholson look like a complete, spineless wimp.

It sucks we wont see him again.

He'll win an oscar from beyond the grave. That's how kickass he is.
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: ZeaLitY on July 19, 2008, 02:02:06 am
My thoughts...

I read the spoiler-free reviews at aintitcoolnews to gear up, and I paid special attention to Quint's calling the movie "immune to expectations". I knew at that moment that there was no real way to prepare for it. I downloaded the soundtrack, but my god...I had no idea how well the Joker's theme would be used in the film.

All the reviews at AICN, and Ebert's were dead on the money. The film left a mark that I wasn't entirely aware of. After retiring to bed at 3 AM, I became very depressed as I recalled the sad events in the film. And then that horrible note; that screechy, almost siren-like Joker note faded into my brain like the sound of an electric hum, and stayed there. During the movie we were all shocked and sickly amused by the Joker at times, but at the end there was no question: he is total fucking anarchy and it is scary. The theme is used well to this effect; it builds high-strung tension and then SMASHES down with those few effects you can hear at 2:29 in "Why So Serious" and at other parts of the score. It's like getting slammed in the face by raw anarchy.

The critics were right about Nolan's ability to throw curveballs too, and AICN's reviewers were especially correct about the fact that you care. Just as Quint predicted, by the middle of the film I felt like I'd give anything to keep Harvey Dent the White Knight of Gotham. I think James Berardenelli brought up the fact that in ANY other Batman movie, most of us would have been giddily waiting for Harvey Dent to get scarred, thinking "WOO TWO-FACE IS COMING!" But this time it was just...painful...

And Batman was handled well. It wasn't JOKER MOVIE (featuring Batman); he was at the axis and as the other reviewers stated, he played as a detective. I don't read the comics, but I'm well aware of how Batman is portrayed in his natural format. The (tiny spoiler) excursion to Hong Kong was a brilliant piece of action to snack on before things got dark and nasty.

If there is any sick, Jokeresque thing I can delight in the film, it's what several reviewers have already said: this film is not for kids, and it's not a happy summer blockbuster, yet people are FILING IN LIKE NO TOMORROW. People are going to be horrified, shocked, disturbed, but ultimately moved. This just rules. I absolutely love it when thematic depth can be crossed with a big budget production like this.

Batman is the real American hero now, not Superman, nor Spider-Man. I'm glad TDK outdid the entire Spider-Man series in a single shot. People deserve better than the whiny Peter Parker they made in those movies,  or the crappy mess of a movie called Superman Returns.
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on July 19, 2008, 02:13:15 am
I don't think they might be able to do another movie... I don't see how they can top that one. There wasn't any foreshadowing to other villains, like the Joker was in Batman Begins. When I walked in the theater, I was expecting at the end of the movie to see a glimpse of, say, Sub-Zero or Poison Ivy, or hell I'd even settle for the Quizzler. But they didn't, and they didn't need to.

... the crappy mess of a movie called Superman Returns.

What didn't you like about it? I thought it was a fantastic film. A little tongue-in-cheek at some parts, but overall a very solid, well-made movie.
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: ZeaLitY on July 19, 2008, 02:19:45 am
It was neurotic. Everyone was constantly unhappy, Lex Luthor was wooden, they didn't play up the hero aspect enough (for Christ's sake, use the John Williams theme more) and the climax wasn't explained well. The climax seemed almost anime-ish; like "whoa my friends are here, my power TRIPLED!" except now the kryptonite island magically doesn't hurt him. But that's just a flaw of Superman as a character; it's kryptonite or nothing most of the time. I love the original Superman, though.
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on July 19, 2008, 02:25:46 am
... Huh... Darn it, you're right.

I haven't seen the originals, however, so I really wouldn't know what I'd be comparing it to. I read the comics, however, and was dissapointed at how light-hearted the movie seemed compared to the graphic novels.

Anything to please the masses I suppose.
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: Delta Dragon on July 19, 2008, 02:46:03 am
Now I want to see the movie even more after reading this thread.  I've only seen the first two Tim Burton ones, and Batman begins.  Hated Burton, loved Begins.  Batman, and Batman returns were just so stupid.  Nicholson wasn't a bad Joker, but the character was just so stupid.  And the Penguin was laughable.  Batman begins was just so epic, and complicated.  One of the things I loved was the way where you always thought you knew who the bad guy was, but it changes like 3 or 4 times.  Although one thing I did like about Batman returns was this line.
"Eat floor!  *Throws Catwoman on the floor* High in fiber."
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: Lakonthegreat on July 19, 2008, 07:15:29 pm
It was neurotic. Everyone was constantly unhappy, Lex Luthor was wooden, they didn't play up the hero aspect enough (for Christ's sake, use the John Williams theme more) and the climax wasn't explained well. The climax seemed almost anime-ish; like "whoa my friends are here, my power TRIPLED!" except now the kryptonite island magically doesn't hurt him. But that's just a flaw of Superman as a character; it's kryptonite or nothing most of the time. I love the original Superman, though.

Yeah, Kryptonite, then they retcon Red Kryptonite in, then all of a sudden he can't use his x-ray vision through lead. I honestly never liked Superman all that much.
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: ZeaLitY on July 19, 2008, 10:56:25 pm
It took two days, but I finally feel empathy with the Joker.
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on July 20, 2008, 03:57:13 am
I work at a movie theatre too, so I saw it on Wednesday for 50c :)

This movie was incredible. However, seeing as how almost everyone in this thread has praised this film 100%, I'll share some of my more negative experiences. Warning! Spoilers ahead!

The Joker character was inconsistent. And not in a psychotic, Joker-ish way either. Sometimes he was cold and calculated, other times he was a maniac. His maniac times were far better, as his calculated side took away from the anarchistic and chaotic villain that was supposed to rival Alex from A Clockwork Orange. That said, he is still one of my favourite movie villains of all time, and his amateur video scenes are some of the most memorable from te film

Christian Bale was irritating. His deep Batman voice got repetitive and annoying, and didn't add to Batman's dark and mysterious character one bit.

The action scenes were too chaotic and dark, making it nauseating and confusing to watch. However, I will forgive them, since every other action movie does the exact same thing, only worse.

The moral dilemmas were redundant. It seems as though they were trying to make the movie deep and meaningul, but after a while it became "Hollywood-deep", which is as deep as a puddle. Less moral dilemmas would have saved this film from the false profoundness plaguing cinema, and concentrating on a couple would have done the film much better service.

Often while watching the film, it seemed as though they had kids in mind when making the film. Although I'm not a huge fan of gore, it annoyed me that they tried to make the film as dark as possible but showing violent build ups, but at the last second, pussy out and either avoid a full shot of the violent action, or cut it out altogether.

Another thing that bugged me was the amount of deus ex machinas. Quite a lot of times, something came up that saved the parties at the last second. For example, Gordon coming back to life. Also, while not quite deus ex machinas, the unrealistically advanced technology that seems to work perfectly in the situations.

Still, despite the negatives, I loved it. I'll give it a 7/10, which may seem bad to you guys, but trust me, is a very good score on my scale.

EDIT: If Ledger were still alive I would have loved a Joker backstory movie.
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: Kebrel on July 20, 2008, 05:14:12 am
Aaron Eckhart hasn't gotten enough credit, I personally loved his performance in the movie more so the Ledgers.
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on July 20, 2008, 04:31:09 pm
Tried to watch "Batman & Robin" today. Couldn't even sit through half of it.
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: Daniel Krispin on July 21, 2008, 12:28:43 am
Aaron Eckhart hasn't gotten enough credit, I personally loved his performance in the movie more so the Ledgers.

I'd actually be inclined to agree with you there. Don't get me wrong: the Joker was excellent. But something about the progression of Eckhart's character, this sort of 'fall of a hero' motif (which, I must add, is the stuff of true tragedy) seemed incredibly powerful. And he acted it so well!
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: Clovis15 on July 21, 2008, 03:52:18 am
I liked how they showed that Joker can both be unbelievably creepy, yet also funny, all at the same time when he performed his 'dissapearing pencil' magic trick.
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: tushantin on July 21, 2008, 05:48:59 am
 :lol: I haven't really seen this movie, but I saw the trailer.

My review: When I was 7+ I enjoyed reading comic books and watching Batman. I even used to purchase "Justice League" just to see him. Yeah, I was a superhero freak then. But heck, Batman was my most favorite.  :lol: He has no superpower and sort, he was just a regular man with incredible ninja-like reflexes and sharp mind. To me he was more like a detective. And dang nabbit, he's still my favorite. Also Joker, he's my most favorite villain of all time (now that I think about it, that's why I like Kefka in FF6 so much!) and I can't EVER get his insane laughter offa my mind! Two of the deadliest and coolest villains of all! But some shows and stuff didn't do them any justice... Bleh...

But when I saw the trailer, for some reason I didn't really like Joker. o_O I dunno. He just didn't "seem" like the Joker I had always feared and liked. That's why I didn't watch it. But now that everyone's talking so highly about it, I think I should give it a shot.  :lol:
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: placidchap on July 21, 2008, 10:30:36 am
The Tim Burton ones were not so bad or if you prefer the ones without Val Kilmer or George Clooney as the Batman.  But I haven't seen these two "restarts" so I can't compare.  Heard good things though, but Batman is not on my priority list these days. 

On wearing costumes to the theatre, when I went to see Spidey 1 or 2 in the theatre way back when, a guy was dressed in a spiderman costume, head to toe.  They called the cops and made him take off his mask, wouldn't start the movie until he did so.  Good thing too, it could have been a member of al-Qaeda!
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: rushingwind on July 21, 2008, 04:46:59 pm
An interesting sidenote:  This past weekend I witnessed several young children being taken out of the movie by their parents, screaming hysterically.  It took one little boy ten minutes outside to calm down before his parents left. 
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: Captain A on July 21, 2008, 10:25:25 pm
stupid kids and stupid parents. didn't they see the trailer? idiots. now they traumatized their kids because they didn't guess that the kids would not be able to handle it.
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: VincentGAU8 on July 21, 2008, 11:04:08 pm
Oh man.. All this positive feedback has made me want to watch this film even more..
But movie ticket prices in my country has gone really high, probably can't afford it right now.. :(
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: radicalblues on July 22, 2008, 03:42:48 pm
An interesting sidenote:  This past weekend I witnessed several young children being taken out of the movie by their parents, screaming hysterically.  It took one little boy ten minutes outside to calm down before his parents left. 

Kids are such wimps nowadays, I'd have insanely enjoyed the Joker if I was 10. Maybe I'm just baised because I even enjoyed horror movies like "IT" when I was 10... oh well.

Yep, the Joker character was inconsistent. According to him, he didn't plan things, just wanted chaos. Let's see: he stole the ganster's money in order to make them fight each other, orchestrating chaos to cover all Gotham City, being jailed on purpose, and also the big scenario of the two ships and disguising the innocent as clowns and his minions and doctors, making Harvey evil in order to break the city's moral spirit, and so on... oh well, I guess it can be justified, the biggest building demolitions take weeks to plan... it also shows that the Joker was actually on his mind, but chose to see everything in a sick, ugly way.

He was an AWESOME villain, he held captive, and under terror and chaos the whole freaking city. I was actually sad when the people at the ships decided not to blow themselves up, cause it showed the end of the Joker's power. Over the city. It was also kinda cheesy and hollywood-deep, and where was Two-Face in this scenario to interact with the city's moral? Oh yeah, flipping his coin and kidnapping an innocent family... kinda less than he could had been. He would had been great in the ships scenario.

I loved how Two-Face was played, but after so many deus-ex-machinas, he just seemed like one more of the Joker's tools, and died way too fast.
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: placidchap on July 22, 2008, 04:11:37 pm
An interesting sidenote:  This past weekend I witnessed several young children being taken out of the movie by their parents, screaming hysterically.  It took one little boy ten minutes outside to calm down before his parents left. 

Kids are such wimps nowadays, I'd have insanely enjoyed the Joker if I was 10. Maybe I'm just biased because I even enjoyed horror movies like "IT" when I was 10... oh well.

Kids shouldn't see this kind of movie nowadays.  You must be one disturbed person if you would enjoy the disappearing pencil trick at the age of 10.
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on July 22, 2008, 05:45:08 pm
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Yep, the Joker character was inconsistent. According to him, he didn't plan things, just wanted chaos. Let's see: he stole the ganster's money in order to make them fight each other, orchestrating chaos to cover all Gotham City, being jailed on purpose, and also the big scenario of the two ships and disguising the innocent as clowns and his minions and doctors, making Harvey evil in order to break the city's moral spirit, and so on... oh well, I guess it can be justified, the biggest building demolitions take weeks to plan... it also shows that the Joker was actually on his mind, but chose to see everything in a sick, ugly way.

But didn't you guys catch on?  The Joker was a compulsive liar.  He consistently lied in order to see his own ambitions come through, even as far as to be inconsistent himself.  I think that wasn't poor writing, it was intentional (I mean, we got hints of it as he lied about how he got his scars, for instance).
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on July 22, 2008, 07:36:36 pm
Kids shouldn't see this kind of movie nowadays.  You must be one disturbed person if you would enjoy the disappearing pencil trick at the age of 10.

I would've loved it at that age, as I loved it at my age. I suppose that makes me disturbed.

But didn't you guys catch on?  The Joker was a compulsive liar.  He consistently lied in order to see his own ambitions come through, even as far as to be inconsistent himself.  I think that wasn't poor writing, it was intentional (I mean, we got hints of it as he lied about how he got his scars, for instance).

I noticed how he was lying, but I just thought he was lying for the heck of it.
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on July 23, 2008, 06:15:22 am
An interesting sidenote:  This past weekend I witnessed several young children being taken out of the movie by their parents, screaming hysterically.  It took one little boy ten minutes outside to calm down before his parents left. 
Better learn through film than through the news.
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on July 26, 2008, 02:33:16 pm
An interesting sidenote:  This past weekend I witnessed several young children being taken out of the movie by their parents, screaming hysterically.  It took one little boy ten minutes outside to calm down before his parents left. 
Better learn through film than through the news.


Let's put a smile on that face.


Anyway, I found Batman Begins trying to seem much more scary, and it really didn't pull it off well. Yeah, it was frightening, but not in a good way. It was like you just didn't want to be in the theatre, you had better things to do.

Dark Knight, however, was much more (excuse the pun) dark and horrifying, and it pulled it off in a very satisfying and memorable way.
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on July 26, 2008, 04:22:08 pm
I saw it again last night and was able to detect such subtleties that made it more interesting.  the nolan brothers truly are great writers.
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on July 26, 2008, 10:26:27 pm
http://www.salon.com/ent/movies/review/2008/07/17/dark_knight/index.html
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: Thought on July 26, 2008, 11:37:29 pm
Just saw The Dark Knight today and I did like it, though I think I prefer the plot of Batman Begins more. In TDK it felt like Batman had too much screen time and Bruce had too little. To provide an example: in BB, when the villin shows up at the Wayne party, it is Bruce who takes care of matters and saves the people, while in TDK it is Batman who saves the day. To be fair, how the story was going it couldn't have happened any other way (Ra's al Ghul was after Wayve, the Joker was after Batman), but that is just it; Batman was the main character and I suppose I wanted Bruce to be that.

Having said that, the acting in this movie was largely brilliant. The more I think about Heath Ledger's performance, the more impressed I am. Walking out of the, I was actually sad because while a fine role, I didn't think it was as good as everyone said it was. However, then I began to think about it and I began to realize how wonderful of a job they did on the Joker. I think it was a brilliant move that they didn't give him an origin or a background; that would have actually taken away from him. He is chaos that came out of nothing. And to note, lies about how he got the scars were wonderful. I would have liked a few more moments like when he dropped Rachael or when he dressed up as a nurse (showing the "humorous" side of Joker, as it were), but I can't think of where they'd fit it in.

Aaron Eckhart's performance was on part with Ledgers, it seemed (though I think he also had an easier role). However, I think I would have preferred if they could have left him out of this movie and devoted an entire one to him; we see Two-Face a little too little for how wonderful of a performance it was (though at the same time, I wouldn't have wanted that element to be in a different movie if his "origin" would be changed). I always hated the craptacular court-disfigurement that Two-Face had in the comics; this was much more effective. Basically, it just felt like the screen was too crowded with both Ledger and Eckhart; I wanted to see the movie focus more on both, but there is only so much screen time available.

Maggie Gyllenhaal was... um... moving along.

Nah, just kidding. She did well with her role, but it was the role that was crap. I know the relationship between Rachael and Bruce was built up in Batman Begins, but this is not Batman Begins. That relationship needed to be developed here too. We didn't see anything that helped justify why Bruce was obsessed with her. Rachael and Harvey was better, but still, it looked like they were good friends, not lovers. And unfortunately, Rachael seemed to be in the movie almost entirely to serve as a MacGuffin; I didn't care at all that she was killed (well, probably killed -- this is a comic book movie, after all).

Gary Oldman is the perfect lovable old man. I mean Sirius-ly; he plays a wonderful James Gordan who serves as an emotional foothold in this movie, with the near absence of Bruce Wayne (he did the same in Batman Begins, but he wasn't so alone). He is the common man (who is hardly common), the viture of the average citizen. Now when I think of the character, I will always envission Oldman's portrayal (same with most the other characters in this movie, but hey).

I was very dubious about Michael Cane when I first saw him as Alfred, but he makes the role his own very well. Though Bruce's parents are dead, we still get to see his father, as it were, and unlike in some other takes on batman, Alfred stays his father (rather than being relegated to the butler position once Bruce comes of age). He has such little screen time, but Cane makes splendid use of it.

Lovely, and certainly one I plan to own (and if I can manage it, to see in IMAX; though around here those showings are sold out for another two weeks).
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: Captain A on July 31, 2008, 01:33:07 pm
I saw it again last night and was able to detect such subtleties that made it more interesting.
you mean like joker's past?
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on August 01, 2008, 04:22:43 pm
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you mean the joker's past

no, just foreshadowing for all the twists that occur in the movie.  because there were A LOT of twists.
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: nightmare975 on August 02, 2008, 10:08:19 pm
Honestly, I hated Maggie Gyllenhaal, it looked like she was cast as a super villain, but then decided to make her Rachel instead.

Really she was that ugly.

Plus the sound at my theatre was shot, so every so often, characters voices seemed to sound they were coming out of a megaphone. It was the worst on Alfred, making his dialogue completely incoherent.

And remember people, without Jack as the Joker, we would have never had such an amazing performance from Heath Ledger, plus Heath would still be alive, maybe.
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on August 03, 2008, 12:30:11 am
Saw it again today. Great show, but it's a little hard to concentrate when your best friend and his girlfriend are making out right next to you.
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on August 03, 2008, 05:24:04 am
Finally caught a screening. I was blown away. Heath Ledger really stole the show; the Joker was creepy as hell. I was happy with all of the casting, really, but yeah...the Joker really stood out as being fantastic.
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: Lakonthegreat on August 03, 2008, 08:41:39 am
Saw it again today. Great show, but it's a little hard to concentrate when your best friend and his girlfriend are making out right next to you.

Hate to go all Seinfeld here but THEY MADE OUT DURING THE DARK KNIGHT!? That would have been deserving of a well placed smack in the back of the head if my friends I went with did that. To BOTH of them.
Title: Re: Just watched "The Dark Knight" (no spoilers)
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on August 03, 2008, 09:13:55 pm
Saw it again today. Great show, but it's a little hard to concentrate when your best friend and his girlfriend are making out right next to you.

Hate to go all Seinfeld here but THEY MADE OUT DURING THE DARK KNIGHT!? That would have been deserving of a well placed smack in the back of the head if my friends I went with did that. To BOTH of them.

If they're making out at the time, a smack to the back of the head to one of them is a smack in the teeth for both of them.