Chrono Compendium
Zenan Plains - Site Discussion => Chrono Compendium Discussion => Topic started by: ZeaLitY on January 07, 2005, 12:43:49 am
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New List of Glorious Achievements
I'm making a new list to move beyond our grand success in establishing the Compendium and focus on the future. The two incomplete objectives from the old list shall appear in some form here. As you can see, the first three requirements are dependent on a translator. Though the CT script is being ably translated at the moment, we could still use help for #1 and #3. I'll make a big post soon (as of August 8th) on this subject.
1. Contact Masato Kato and ask for an interview or some kind of audience.
2. Release the translated script of Chrono Trigger upon its completion.
3. Find a reliable translator to complete works such as Missing Piece character details, Ultimania developer interviews, Dream Team interview in CT player's guide, etc. and establish rapport with Japanese Chrono community.
4. Enable fan projects wikis and forums on demand for fan project creators.
5. Finish Chrono Trigger: Crimson Echoes to serve as the new keystone of encouragement and enjoyment of Chrono series modification.
5. Form a group of fans to scour fan art and fanfiction communities to haul in high quality works for display.
6. Revise the charter to reflect current status and think of staff positions.
Current Compendium Projects
1. Chrono Trigger Retranslation
2. Chrono Trigger: Crimson Echoes
3. Chrono Series Music Archive (please volunteer if you own any Chrono OST; PM Zeality)
4. Chrono Compendium Encyclopedia Standardization
5. Repairing MediaWiki to Enable Search and Special Pages
Old Glorious Achievements
I'm doing this partly to dispel illusion and to make a new roster of long-term engagements, unlike the Chrono Scholars thread, which is out of date and deals with specific presentations. These goals constitute the future of the Chrono Compendium, and our objectives. In a rough order of importance:
(Keep in mind this is from a personal level; if you're in charge of certain projects please do not become offended by being listed under other things; I'm merely speaking from the Chrono Compendium as a website)
COMPLETE
1. Finish listing basic information in the Encyclopedia
2. Round out images and extra Encyclopedia features/organization (homogenize entries/music), create the Image Index
3. Finalize all current analysis:
3a. Go through every thread, summarize, present theories, and end discussion, culminating in the placement of information in the theory encyclopedia.
3b. Apply existing articles to theories, and update existing articles.
3c. Create new articles from all other available related material.
3d. Cross-examine with other sources.
4. Achieve a beautiful, nice layout and streamlined site design
7. Confirm that the Compendium is the new, unquestionable center of the Chrono fan community
INCOMPLETE
5. Scour the Chrono communities and archives for fanfiction, fanart, and other fanmade work that we can, with consent, add so that combined with Compendium member-works, we can construct the most diverse and rich repository of works ever seen, unlike the rough mosh pit of fanfiction.net
6. Retranslate Chrono Trigger and issue the SE Compendium-version ROM (this will really seal us in Chrono fandom eternally)
Tell me what I've missed. I'm doing this mainly so I can work with a clear head; lately CTCE has been depressing me as it is a huge undertaking, requiring the cooperation of several editors, but then again, we're also asking for ZEAL authors, editorialists, Encyclopedia editors, etc., etc., etc. So objectifying this can provide some kind of structure.
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Good Luck on all your work! :P
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You've got my help, if you need it. Now that I know the level of the undertaking you're going for here, I'll be happy to provide all the scans I have in my Japanese guides or doujinshi-- I'll also help out with images, later on, for the redesigned look, if you like.
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Once we get to #7 on the list (in order to acheive this, you basically need to do all the other ones), then we'll probably be the luckiest people on Earth, watching this website go from pretty good to the centre of the Chrono Universe... *sigh*
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Thanks for aid and encouragement. I think I've hit every goal here.
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When do you think Project ZEAL will be completed?
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Well, first we'll have to start Chapter 1... That should be pretty soon, though.
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Some awesome stuff here. Admirable goals, to be sure. Just got to finish a little Photoshop CS work for Spanish and some history, and then I'm going to work a little more on CE.
This stuff is gonna be sh-weet.
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Yeah, putting everything in perspective has done wonders for the vision of the site. But I just finished uploading like...50 images. My eyes hurt, but soon every accessory, weapon, key item, armor, and helmet in Chrono Trigger will have its concept art available, and in higher resolution than Chronoshock.com's pictures.
So the CuteLucca credit is displayed on over two hundred entries. Ha, how's that for advertising?
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I can't tell you how much ass that kicks.
She probably can, though.
w00tage.
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Wow, that is a comprehensive list. When they are all achieved that will be awesome. Well wishes from this guy right here.
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Just noting that crap, things look like they'll still take some work. My goals might seem unrealistic, but I do want to achieve them. However, Crimson Echoes seems like it would be finished in a matter of years now if we held it off and only I principally worked on it. It's tough on me that a neat plot like that wouldn't be realized.
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Speaking of Item images...I just realized, we're going to need some ripped in-game images (probably from the Status screen) of the (non-dart, unless you can get that from in-battle, but are they different? I guess the Cards would be...) Weapons (and the Hero Shield) from Chrono Cross...Who has CC on their comp?
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Well, unless you have them on hand, images and other features can be held off until Step 2. Step 2 includes homogenizing the entire encyclopedia structure and finding every possible image for entries we can. We'll also create an image index.
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I think I can extract the CC Key Items pictures from the discs, using PSX Multi-Converter. I had done it before but has deleted both the prog and the files now... I'll try to get them back when I get the time.
You can also extract all the game images and textures using this prog (that's how I noticed Crono was blue-eyed in CC), but it would make about 1000 unclassified pictures to inspect, so I guess it's not for me...
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Okay I finished uploading the Key Items images.
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Aha, if you own the PSX version in some form, can you also see if you can get those concept art pictures stored in the Extras menu? I tried and failed to do that earlier, and it's been on my to-do list for awhile.
I'm currently checking out the pictures.
YES! THIS GIVES US A CUTTING EDGE OVER OTHER CHRONO CROSS SITES
Ooooh, yeah. I'm going to place them all in one image like I did with the CT art and announce it with this news post.
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I uploaded the pictures of the characters (the vertical banners from the menu) and I'm currently adding them to the characters pages.
Oh and I underestimated the numbers of the images, they are actually 8,367 (mainly unuseful textures and stuff) plus the videos. The pain with PSX Multi-Converter is that you can't extract all the images at once (you have to extract each of them one by one), and I can't seem to extract the video sequence (can just convert individual frames...).
Or maybe these features are available but I don't know how to use them, I don't know :x
I stumbled upon an interesting image though :
(http://www.chronocompendium.com/wiki/images/f/fb/Ccslotmachine.png)
It looks like a slot machine or something. Maybe it was supposed to be in Fargo's ship, or perhaps it's actually in the game somewhere?
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Nothing that I remember, but I am only up to the Garai fight.
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It reminds me of those matching picture card games...I think a few of the Dragon Quest/Warrior games had that kind of mini-game in them...at least 7 did...I have seen or heard nothing of that though...Wierd...
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Aside: DW7 was the only one to have that game.
It couldn't be that style of game for one reason: there are three each of the rabbit and fish icons, but two of the rest. These games always have two of each icon.
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I don't know what kind of game would use that combination of pictures. That is very odd.
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There are actually 3 other images but I didn't felt the need to post them. I didn't noticed that there were two of some icons (instead of three?), though... so I'll post all the pictures, in case it brings ideas or something to someone.
They were in this order :
(http://www.chronocompendium.com/wiki/images/d/d5/STR7413.png) (http://www.chronocompendium.com/wiki/images/e/e3/STR7414.png) (http://www.chronocompendium.com/wiki/images/b/be/STR7415.png) (http://www.chronocompendium.com/wiki/images/1/1d/STR746.png)
Edit : I've just realized that the Dragon Tear is not a Key Item (or is it?), although there's a Key Item pic of it :
(http://www.chronocompendium.com/wiki/images/8/83/Dragon_Tear.png)
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I looked through the Key Item pics, and I just noticed that the two Hero's Medals from the games are very dissimilar.
Also, now from those wacky pics it looks like there are three of most of them and five fishes and five bunnies...How...odd...I wonder wtf that's all about...We need one of them flashing Bat Phones from the old Adam West Batman, only it needs to be...like...a Kato Phone or something...
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Actually, I believe you do get the Dragon Tear as a key item at one point.
As for those pictures, I'm at a loss. A slot machine is my best guess, but it could have been wallpaper or something.
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If you switch the two outside smaller pics with each other it looks exactly like the upper left corner of the first pic.
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Okay I've uploaded the characters portraits (the icons from the dialogue boxes), including the NPCs (I guess RPG Planet already had them but hey...)
There are 2 portraits which I don't recall being used in the game :
(http://www.chronocompendium.com/wiki/images/3/3d/Lynx_portrait2.png)
(http://www.chronocompendium.com/wiki/images/6/69/Unused_portrait.png)
The first one looks like a young Lynx, but I don't remember it in the game (maybe it's Serge-as-Lynx?).
As for the second, I don't know. I've found 7 of those kind in the disk, all put next to the NPC portraits (which themselves are next to the PC portraits). Maybe they were for some characters which were dummied out. Somebody who can read Japanese could probably help for the symbol.
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That Lynx pic does look very Serge-ish.
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Maybe they were going to have Serge talk as Lynx during the scene right after he changed.
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Adding something to step 2 called the Image Index. This will be a listing of all images on the Compendium, sorted by game, type, character, etc. This will become an unimaginably useful asset to Chrono fans searching for sprites, art, and screenshots.
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Ok, I was comparing that unused Lynx portrait with the Serge and Lynx portaits...
(http://www.chronocompendium.com/wiki/images/3/3d/Lynx_portrait2.png)(http://www.chronocompendium.com/wiki/images/9/94/Serge_portrait.png)(http://www.chronocompendium.com/wiki/images/d/d2/Lynx_portrait.png)
While I don't know if everyone else sees it as this, I'd say the one on the left definately bears an uncanny resemblence to Serge, while the one on the right...doesn't.
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I remember on one site there was a speechbox pic of Kid as a kid at an age say when u see her in the orphanege as serge is this something that was taken out or just a fake there was also one of the dragon god which i dont remember seeing anywhere in the game
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Ok, I was comparing that unused Lynx portrait with the Serge and Lynx portaits...
(http://www.chronocompendium.com/wiki/images/3/3d/Lynx_portrait2.png)(http://www.chronocompendium.com/wiki/images/9/94/Serge_portrait.png)(http://www.chronocompendium.com/wiki/images/d/d2/Lynx_portrait.png)
While I don't know if everyone else sees it as this, I'd say the one on the left definitely bears an uncanny resemblence to Serge, while the one on the right...doesn't.
I believe that the one on the left definately looks more like Serge, although I never recall seeing an odd picture like that. He might have spoke in an early build of the game, but it may have been thrown out in the final cut.
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While I agree that it was probably intended for Serge-as-Lynx, I...don't see the visual similarities at all...Is it because the eyes are less down-cast? The slightly softer colors? It just looks like a less-mean Lynx to me...
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I don't see any real physical similarities, but the expression definitely looks like something you'd see on Serge-as-Lynx.
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Yes, I did not mean physical characteristics, I meant the facial expression. I should have specified.
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I've found the burning orphanage pictures! Small ones though, and not all of the drawings...
(http://www.chronocompendium.com/images/wiki/7/7a/Orphanage_LuccaKid.png) (http://www.chronocompendium.com/images/wiki/c/c9/Orphanage_Crono1.png) (http://www.chronocompendium.com/images/wiki/a/a7/Orphanage_Crono2.png) (http://www.chronocompendium.com/images/wiki/9/92/Orphanage_Lucca1.png) (http://www.chronocompendium.com/images/wiki/7/76/Orphanage_Marle.png)
(http://www.chronocompendium.com/images/wiki/7/73/Orphanage_Ayla.png) ---------------------------(http://www.chronocompendium.com/images/wiki/7/77/Orphanage_Lucca2.png)
It's strange that those 7 pictures where next to each others (around STR6096 if someone care), but the others drawings (Robo, etc) weren't.
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Those pictures always confused me, because how could the orphans have seen Ayla or Robo? That would imply that there was some more time traveling by the group after Lavos bit the big one. Maybe a preempt for the third game??
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Or the fact that Crono had a picture of the group in his room. Which Lucca probably showed to the kids.
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There are other options as well...
1. Lucca is a great (or not so great based on the pictures) describer.
2. There are pictures of the group (like the one in the intro anime scene in FFChronicles).
edit: you beat me by a minute GG!
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Yeah, that's the picture I was referring to.
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You all have no hope for a third game!!! You bastards!!
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Sure we do, we just don't think said sequal has anything to do with 'time traveling orphans' from Lucca's orphanage...I'd prefer some more Magus myself...
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I never implied that, I was implying that the group did some more time traveling after Trigger was all said and done.
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Oh I thought you meant a group of orphans, not Chrono & Co.
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Those pictures always confused me, because how could the orphans have seen Ayla or Robo? That would imply that there was some more time traveling by the group after Lavos bit the big one. Maybe a preempt for the third game??
There's actually a picture of Frog in there as well. But it's somewha hidden behind the fire (notice the blank spots on the bottom of that guy's post.. that where it is.)
Speaking of which, there's gotta be a Pro Action Replay (gameshark, gamegenie, whatever) code to not display those flames and be able to take a more clear shot of frog's picture. Can anyone do this?
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Updated analysis breakdown.
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Chrono Break indeed.
Lucca: Now remember kids. This is the Primordial Ooze where all life originates. DON'T touch it.
Kid: Kay. *Hacks a loogie in it*
Or even worse....
Lucca: Hey kids! Wanna see some dinosaurs?
*Lavos. Nuff said.*
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Added a project list.
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programmer ending
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Update to let you know that I have found lossless archives of the Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross OSTs for perfect archiving on the Compendium's server. I also have the Brink of Time. However, I still need copies of the two PSX OSTs. If you own either one, contact me.
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Just dropping hints for no good reason, but anyhow, I'm going to collect what was finished with Project ZEAL (along with the character biographies / world explanations / other materials) and present them as a grand feature. It may even spark interest in the project, though I doubt it could be continued; many of the original writers are gone and their characters abandoned. But finally, the huge prologue detailing the new heroes' of the Keystone Dimension battle against the havoc-wreaking agents of ZEAL who've crossed the dimensional veil will be available to read. If it sounds interesting and engaging, that's because it is. And for those totally out of the loop, Project ZEAL was a collaborative fan fiction project held in late 2004. It died when Symmetry left.
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Well, here we are at the site, and...
(http://www.boredatworkforum.com/bored_man.gif)
Jeez, we need a new Chrono game.
1. Contact Masato Kato and ask for an interview or some kind of audience.
If Honne gives us a response...
2. Find a reliable translator to complete works such as Missing Piece character details, Ultimania developer interviews, Dream Team interview in CT player's guide, etc. and establish rapport with Japanese Chrono community.
Sort of in progress, I guess...
3. Enable fan projects wikis and forums on demand for fan project creators.
Been a long time since we've had a new fan project...
4. Finish Chrono Trigger: Crimson Echoes to serve as the new keystone of encouragement and enjoyment of Chrono series modification.
Beset by problems (no, not personnel problems; I'm not blaming anyone, considering I sort of shied away myself).
5. Form a group of fans to scour fan art and fanfiction communities to haul in high quality works for display.
Eh, darn.
6. Complete Chrono Compendium Music Archive.
Waiting on a Hopeful Weeds lossless rip, which will probably never materialize.
So what the hell do we do now?
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Working on this:
http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Chrono_Compendium:About.html#Directing_the_Chrono_Compendium
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Just dropping hints for no good reason, but anyhow, I'm going to collect what was finished with Project ZEAL (along with the character biographies / world explanations / other materials) and present them as a grand feature. It may even spark interest in the project, though I doubt it could be continued; many of the original writers are gone and their characters abandoned. But finally, the huge prologue detailing the new heroes' of the Keystone Dimension battle against the havoc-wreaking agents of ZEAL who've crossed the dimensional veil will be available to read. If it sounds interesting and engaging, that's because it is. And for those totally out of the loop, Project ZEAL was a collaborative fan fiction project held in late 2004. It died when Symmetry left.
Dang it...there's always some thread I always forget to check for like months & months...and apparently, in this case, years (or, a year anyways)...Did this feature ever happen (maybe it did & I just don't remember)? You'd think w/the people interested in an RP forum that a new community-based fanfic would be right up their alley, right?
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V, I'm not entirely sure what you're talking about, but the RP Forum and the Compendium-fic (Which I have just revived. I'll have the first full chapter up soon), are both of my creation, so you've got me interested.
Or I could have utterly read your post the wrong way. Who knows.
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No, I guess I just worded it wrong, actually (maybe because I was referencing the RP forum)...I guess I didn't mean community-based fanfic, but community-wide fanfic, which is really what Project ZEAL was. Basically a large-scale collaboration fanfic.
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Chrono Communities are sometimes visited by Chrono Trigger fanboys. Fanboys are identifiable in two ways: a) they attempt to legitimately levy ridiculous criticisms of Chrono Cross with vitriol (such as the usual complaint that "Crono wasn't in it, therefore it objectively sucks"), and b) they harbor feelings of extreme bitterness towards Square Enix without a clear understanding of how the business world works or accurate history (such as the fans who threatened to "sue Square Enix" in curseword-ridden capital letters after Chrono Trigger Resurrection received a cease and desist order). Baseless criticisms of Cross should be dealt with by bringing up Cross's hugely positive critical reviews, 1.5 million sales, and fan popularity, and / or by posting the feature Chrono Cross: The Good, the Bad, and the Fans (http://www.chronocompendium.com/Stories/36.html) or "WRONG.png" (http://chronofan.com/Zeality/WRONG.png).
HAHAHAHAHA didn't know that was a rule, not just a habit.
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http://www.chronocompendium.com/Stories/42
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Ha, I remember shortly after or during the death of Project ZEAL, I actually ended up changing Hunter's appearance because when I started drawing him I realized it looked stupid with long hair (it ended up being a shorter, spikey sort of Crono tribute). I actually still sort of draw him & Amy...damn, I should just do a fanfic of them sometime, I guess...I'm just not sure how to interact them w/the Chrono world any more...
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http://www.chronocompendium.com/Stories/42
Eventually, we should end the current Dream Splash! with a retrospective look at Project Zeal.