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Zenan Plains - Site Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: dan_death on June 16, 2008, 03:11:50 am
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I've been playing the first Star Ocean, and to tell you the truth, I didn't expect it to be so good! I've always had it but never really played or got into it. Although I'm not done yet, but close to getting there, it doesn't seem to long of a game. The battle system was a lot better then I expected, I like that you can have four in a party, and I also like that you can move around.
I've already started on the second one, and I love it! The battle system is much better, and easier to move. I can't believe I've ignored Star Ocean for so long...
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I have heard the SO2 is the best, but having played SO3, I find it hard to believe... for most of my life, I considered FFVII to be my favorite RPG... I would play it over and over... and over...
then, I bought SO3 on whim... FFVII is no longer my favorite RPG... (and don't worry, the Chrono series is in the top 3)
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I'm actually playing Star Ocean for the first time through, too! So far I've got Ratix, Ilia, Ashlay, and Joshua... I'm Level 38 and I just beat the Temple of Parj (where I met the three runes)...
Anywho, yeah, the game is great. Definitely one of the greats of the SNES-era.
And concerning the Star Ocean series, Star Ocean 2 would easily be MY personal favorite. The storyline was great and the game was just so much fun... There was definitely a lot to do in that game.
The Second Story (SO2) was loads better than Till the End of Time (SO3), which, in my opinion, wasn't all that great. Now I know you liked it, Satoh, and to each his own, but I thought it was a major let down. I will say that I did like going to several different worlds, however. I just thought the storyline was really bland until the ending and the overall pacing wasn't all that great. Also, the locales seemed a little stale (especially one particularly large dungeon). But don't get me wrong, SO3 wasn't a bad game - not at all.
In fact, I plan on playing through all three games again. It's been 7-8 years since I've played SO2 and 2 1/2 since SO3, so I may end up finding my reviews different. After all, I LOATHED FFIX the first playthrough, but two years later it became my favorite of the PS1-era FF games.
So to sum it up: you should play all three games, dan_death!
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I played and loved Star Ocean, it's easily one of the best RPGs in the 16-Bit era (and thus of all time)...Even though I didn't get very far...I ended up starting 3 separate games of it because I couldn't choose how I wanted to go in the FIRST branching point...V_V
I haven't played 2...
I have Till the End of Time...I...don't really like it very much...I hated the stupid A.I. in battles...I shouldn't have to train my other party members not to be complete idiots. I almost think I would have been completely fine if they had just followed me & copied everything I did minus maybe using Items...A.I. doing stupid crap in RPGs has always pissed me off, ever since Seiken Densetsu II/Secret of Mana when the bastards would keep getting caught behind crap and continue to run at the wall in hopes of maybe one day I would input a Walk Through Walls code for them...
As for the Story...well, let's just say that when the story becomes so convoluted & hard to follow that you need an in-game Encyclopedia (I'm also looking at you Xenosaga...>_<) just to try and understand all the BS getting thrown your way...you may be a redneck...or, wait, that's not right, where was I going with this? Star Ocean: Till the End of Time? Right, let me just check the in-game Encyclopedia...
Then again, maybe if someone had told me I could have kept my cool characters if I had just said F-U to Peppita & Roger I would have liked it a little more too...*shrugs* I may try it again if I feel like letting the idiot A.I. give me another brain aneurysm...<_>
The PSP remake of Star Ocean looks cool, though...hooray! Another good PSP game...that's...a remake/port? Oh well, w/e, I guess...>_>
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Haha, I ignored the other characters, I just used Fayt to smack down on things... just like I don in most games...main character > attack attack attack attack attack attack attack attack attack attack dodge attack attack ... and so on...
Hey it worked wonders in Crisis Core as well...
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I remember SO2: The Second Story being the best in my opinion... SO3... not so much.
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So far SO2 is my favorite too :D But I still want to get the third one. And after I beat the second one I'm going to see if Star Ocean EX is any good, it's an anime series based on the manga, based on the Second Story.
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Really? An anime based on SO2... i'll check that out.
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Really? An anime based on SO2... i'll check that out.
Yeeeeep.
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No! Don't watch it! It got cancelled before it was finished! So unless you want it left uncompleted, don't watch it. I will say this: it was pretty good, though.
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No! Don't watch it! It got cancelled before it was finished! So unless you want it left uncompleted, don't watch it. I will say this: it was pretty good, though.
There is something for the stuff I hate thread. Pirates of the Dark water, anyone? :x
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If it was cancelled before it was finished, I can always just read the manga...
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Oh snap! Placidchap shows his true age by bringing up Pirates of the Dark Water! Now THAT'S old school...
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What's Pirates of the Dark Water? Anything with Pirates in it is great by me.
Except Runescape. They put a Pirate stat in, and I was like, "Awesome! Pirate stat!" and then they took it out the same day. Curse them!
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I played SO for a while on ZSNES, but it keep freezing. Trying it on my PSP (SNES version again) and it's been working alright so far, I think.
I'm currently playing SO2 the most, though. Enjoying it very much, but there are so many "OMG ARE YOU A COUPLE?! LOL YOU'RE BOTH TURNING RED HAHA" lines that I was sighing a lot and eventually headbutting the PSP. Plus it seems to have the same dialogue problem as SO3 - those absolutely pointless scenes were it goes something like this:
Party member 1: We should go to [dungeon name].
Party member 2: I agree. We should go to [dungeon name].
Party member 3: That is a good idea, we should go.
Party member 1: Alright, so should we go to [dungeon name]?
Party member 2: Yes, I think we should go.
Bla bla bla.
But yeah, SO2 is great so far; I quite like the FP (Friendship Point) system... it allows for some nifty scenes between party members and/or NPCs. But one in Cross was particularly bizarre... where Celine and Rena (well, since I was playing the Rena quest) meet some guy ('Chris') who can't afford the food in a restaurant. You can choose to pay for him (it's like, 10 freakin' G...), and you can re-enter the city to meet him again. He insists on talking to Celine alone (naturally, Rena follows and spies), and we find he's a prince (yep, a prince who couldn't afford 10G?). Turns out his wedding to a princess is about to begin, and he's dragged off by soldiers. Celine and Rena crash the politically-biased wedding and Chris proposes to Celine, whom he met like, 10 minutes ago. She obviously chooses to continue traveling with your party.
I just found it all very weird and dumb.
Anyway, SO3. I liked it. Beautiful graphics, WONDERFUL soundtrack (Motoi Sakuraba's brilliance is one of the reasons I actually bothered to continue playing the game after the difficulty and lack of battle control explanation smacked me around dozens of times). Too bad the script and story are pretty bad, but I actually liked the 4D twist, maybe just because we finally got off that fucking Elicoor II (the stupid, stupid medieval planet where about 65% of the game is spent, and 40 of that 65% in fucking huge boring caves). After you get a hang of the controls and those little secret functions they should have told you about in the first place (% cancel attack chains, anyone?), it is a very fun game, plus the fact the level limit is 255 makes for quite some replayability, especially in the later side-dungeons unlocked after completing the main story.
Best thing about that game: the music in Moonbase. It is so fucking cool. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sap9N4mtqXo)
I wanna play SO3 again.
Oh, about the anime 'Star Ocean EX'... It follows the game nicely enough, but as was mentioned above, it got canceled. Also, it's pretty boring in battle scenes and most of the dialogue. For example, attack scenes will be re-used in pretty much every episode (like Claude's signature sword attack thing).
And it turns out Star Ocean 4 ('The Last Hope') is for the 360. Dammit. Wish I owned one.
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The rom of Star Ocean kept freezing on me, too... So I ditched ZSNES and played it on SNES9X and it's worked like a charm!
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I finished the game with Ratix, Iria, Tinek, and Perisie in my 'active' party. Definitely, this game should be on your 'list' if you consider yourself an 'RPG aficionado'. The ranking, as a side note, goes SO2>SO>SO3; everytime I play SO2, I spend about 100-200+ hours just getting every little piece of story and maxing everything out. Seriously, though, SO2 is that damn good.
And it turns out Star Ocean 4 ('The Last Hope') is for the 360. Dammit. Wish I owned one.
(http://elblogdemanu.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/darth_vader_nooo1.jpg)
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I think older versions of ZSNES require some patch for the mode7 graphics Star Ocean used...
As for Star Ocean IV: The Last Hope being on XBOX 360...
During a press conference that was held today (10th June 2008) in Japan Square Enix announced their plans to support Xbox 360 with at least one exclusive, and two timed exclusives for Microsoft's current generation platform.
Star Ocean 4: The Last Hope (Xbox's last hope in Japan?) will be a Xbox 360 exclusive. It will probably only be timed exclusive though as they already have Infinite Undiscovery.
So there, if you don't have a 360, you'll probably have to just wait...but from the screens I've seen, I kind of doubt the Wii will be able to support it...*shrugs* I could be wrong though...I'm not too sure of the power comparisons between the Wii & the other systems, I guess (not an invitation to tell me, I also just don't care)...
EDIT: Oops, I muffed the roman numeral...Allow me to fix your quote, too, Tact...^_^
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I think older versions of ZSNES require some patch for the mode7 graphics Star Ocean used...
As for Star Ocean IV: The Last Hope being on XBOX 360...
During a press conference that was held today (10th June 2008) in Japan Square Enix announced their plans to support Xbox 360 with at least one exclusive, and two timed exclusives for Microsoft's current generation platform.
Star Ocean 4: The Last Hope (Xbox's last hope in Japan?) will be a Xbox 360 exclusive. It will probably only be timed exclusive though as they already have Infinite Undiscovery.
So there, if you don't have a 360, you'll probably have to just wait...but from the screens I've seen, I kind of doubt the Wii will be able to support it...*shrugs* I could be wrong though...I'm not too sure of the power comparisons between the Wii & the other systems, I guess (not an invitation to tell me, I also just don't care)...
Wii has 1 Processer
360 has Dual Processers
PS3 has 8 motherfucking Processors, biatch.
(I invited myself XD)
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I hope the 4th one isn't going to be just on 360, because I'm going to be super pissed if it is. I mean, seriously, I know most of it's done by tri-Ace but it's still a Square Enix game!!! That's a disgrace...a SE game on a NOT Sony product...like the Final Fantasy III remake on DS...oh, they made THAT remake FULL 3D, unlike 1 & 2 on PSP. They just added some "high quality textures" and "high quality music"...
I mean it was ok in the SNES days but...not since they made the PS1.
Anyways, so yeah.
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Why is it no longer ok for them to make games for other systems? Besides, you got...Crisis Core...*chuckle*
It's just easier, cheaper, and more lucrative to make the remakes on DS...In Japan (& abroad?), the DS outsells the PSP...I mean, damn, guess what system Dragon Quest IX is going to be on? Maybe if Sony didn't come out with a flawed gaming system, the PSP would get more SE games for it...? *shrugs* Although i think it's starting to get some reputable games for it now...
But really, I don't see any one company winning the current System Wars because each one has their own niché now, both within the gaming community & within their gameplay elements...The best way to reach the most gamers seems like a good idea to me though...
EDIT: Just thought I'd throw this SOIV junk into the thread since I have it opened in another tab right now...
(http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/880/880450/star-ocean-4-screens-20080610071307284_640w.jpg)
(http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/880/880450/star-ocean-4-screens-20080610071117913_640w.jpg)
(http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/880/880450/star-ocean-4-screens-20080610071104476_640w.jpg)
(http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/880/880450/star-ocean-4-screens-20080610071116288_640w.jpg)
SOIV TRAILER (http://www.zedge.net/videos/56877/star-ocean-for-2009-video/)
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I wasn't mainly talking about the PSP. I was talking about how pissed I'm going to be if Star Ocean 4 is JUST on a 360...if you want to talk about flawed (http://megagames.com/news/html/console/thereasonbehindxbox360exceptionalfailurerate.shtml) systems, the 360 is defiantly one. Why can't they just pull a Capcom and put it out on both systems? Hell, DMC 4 is on PS3, 360, and PC.
But, the only games I like for PSP is Crisis Core, Chains of Olympus, and Innocent Life. Oh, and the Star Ocean remakes of 1 & 2, although the 2nd one is not really remade, just some added stuff.
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SO4 looks BADASS.
I'm not real keen on it being a prequel, though. I'm sort of sick of prequel's.
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SOIV looks like it could be on the PS3... And only on the PS3 with those graphics.
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Sadly, I've never played a Star Ocean game in my life.
Any requests on which one I should play first? I've just been so busy lately....I've had not time for games. I still need to finish Lost Odyssey, Persona 3: FES, Crisis Core, FFTA2, annnnnd I really wanna get that FF IV Remake.
Ok, I'm going off topic. Like I said. I've never played ANY Star Ocean game. Since I'm a HUGE rpg advocate....I'm guessing this is a problem.
Oh yeah. Never played Xenogears either.....EPIC FAIL!
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Sadly, I've never played a Star Ocean game in my life.
Any requests on which one I should play first?
Um...well, you could try playing the FIRST one. You can get the patched ROM, but make sure you play it on SNESx9!!! It freezes a hell of a lot on ZSNES.
Or you could wait until later this year when the English remake is released on the PSP.
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I've never had any problems with ZSNES on any game...both emulators are fine as long as you're using the updated versions of either, really...
Anyways, yeah, get a Star Ocean ROM...I'd also suggest patching yourself, I don't know how much I trust pre-patched ROMs...but, w/e, they're both probably easy to find...
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I've never had any problems with ZSNES on any game...both emulators are fine as long as you're using the updated versions of either, really...
ZSNES has the more freezing problems with Star Ocean then SNESx9, I know from experience. So far, when I switched over, it hasn't frozen once.
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I need to play this game.I wonder if it works for Snes9x on the Wii.
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I need to play this game.I wonder if it works for Snes9x on the Wii.
It should...although I don't have a Wii, it's still the same emulator...just a little different.
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StarOcean isn't that great. I only played the third one, but it was so long. If I hadn't had the guide to make such awesome weapons, then i would have given up many times. Plus I can honestly say worst ending ever! I really want to play the second one everyone loves it.
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Just not enough Science fiction in it for me, I have only played 3 and little bit of 1. I buy it thinking cool an RPG in a si-fi setting only to be disappointed the most of the game takes place on a under developed planet full of swords and
sorcery symbology. I'd take Xenosaga/Xenogears any day.
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I've never had any problems with ZSNES on any game...both emulators are fine as long as you're using the updated versions of either, really...
ZSNES has the more freezing problems with Star Ocean then SNESx9, I know from experience. So far, when I switched over, it hasn't frozen once.
Yeah, I know, I read your previous post where you already said that...Star Ocean works fine on ZSNES, I know from experience. People that actually see much of a difference between the two are usually basing it on an older version experience or some other user fault...
I need to play this game.I wonder if it works for Snes9x on the Wii.
Hmmm...idk if it would, since Star Ocean was one of the games that used up all the 32mb of the Super Famicom cart, like Chrono Trigger...and there are problems with the CT retranslation, right?
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I have the latest version of ZSNES. And the freezing can occur randomly, like when I was getting out of a town, and just walking through the forest, or sometimes when I go to then inn, and sleep, then wake up, and walk around a bit, try to go to another screen, it freezes. Most of it is something having to do with sound.
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I need to play this game.I wonder if it works for Snes9x on the Wii.
Hmmm...idk if it would, since Star Ocean was one of the games that used up all the 32mb of the Super Famicom cart, like Chrono Trigger...and there are problems with the CT retranslation, right?
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I will try it as soon as I get my SD card back.
I will try Star Ocean and the CT retranslation.
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For those of you having problems with ZSNES, I'm telling you again, play it on SNES9X. On SNES9X it runs like a charm. I am 25 hours through the game and I haven't had any problems with it.
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Would it be possible to get the second one as a rom? And if so what kind of emulator?
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To anyone and everyone playing the Star Ocean SNES ROM, go to the opening menu and select the music player. In the top-right corner, inside the circle of musical notes, I found something either strangely coincidental or supernaturaly creepy.
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Oh you cheeky devil! It says Tact!
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(http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk184/invadeproductions/icons/imhappyplz.gif)
That's me!
*audience laughter*
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Would it be possible to get the second one as a rom? And if so what kind of emulator?
Yes. ePSXe would do the trick. Check around on torrent sites.
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For those of you having problems with ZSNES, I'm telling you again, play it on SNES9X. On SNES9X it runs like a charm. I am 25 hours through the game and I haven't had any problems with it.
That's what I've been trying to tell these people.
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Arg to you people complaining about Star Ocean, and never having even played SO2. Though I never officially decided on my all-time favorite game, it's there with Chrono Trigger. SO2 is fun, eventful, time consuming, and magical. It's like grandma's good old fashioned hash brownies. :mrgreen:
If I can find SO2, I would love myself to death...Especially if it cost less than the $80 ebay asks for it. That and Chrono Trigger (SNES)...FF3 was only $20...
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FYI, the english dubbing of SO2 sucks ass. The undub version is glitchy as hell as well, but it's better. Star Ocean 1 was truthfully one of my most favorite games ever played besides Chrono Trigger. Star Ocean 2 was a huge step in the SO series, especially with the whole combining spells things. It was interesting. Definately one of my top 10 favorite RPG's.
I never got to play SO3, but from what I hear from people, the storyline is terrible but the gameplay is awesome.
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SO was great but just so durn short...
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SO was great but just so durn short...
Shorter than The Time Machine movie. I'm serious.
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So you think I could find SO2 on the torrent sites? If I find it I will post it here but I never have luck searching.
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How do you think I have it? I got a torrent of it. Check on mininova or the pirate bay.
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Does it save at the end of the disc?
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Does it save at the end of the disc?
You are given the option of saving, yes. Just like all the other multi-disc games I've played. Which consist of Final Fantasy VII, VIII, IX. :D