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Zenan Plains - Site Discussion => Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion => Topic started by: x_XTacTX_x on April 16, 2008, 05:12:29 pm
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I'm really getting tired of everyone saying that magus is the best character in either of the Chrono games.
I'm really getting tired of how out of every 5 CT fanfics I read, at least 3 center around him.
Am I really the only one who isn't freaking obsessed with Magus? I mean, come on! Sure, he's cool and all, and he's Schala's little brother, but in the end he's just BORING. He has very little Personal Development, and he always acts all stuck up, like he's better than everyone else.
AND HIS HAIR IS PURPLE >:U
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(http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/8265/darkmatteruq1.jpg) (http://www.cutelucca.com)
You were saying? :P
The thing that makes Magus so awesome is his story. It gives him so much room for development -- he's such a stick-in-the-mud, and he's guilty of murdering Cyrus. He's got weird emotional baggage. There's just so many directions to go in when you're writing a storyline involving Magus, or creating some other Magus-centric work of art.
If "Chrono Cross: The Darkness Beyond Time" comes to fruition, I'm going to heavily lobby for a scenario in which Magus-turned-Magil has to come to terms with who he was in Chrono Trigger. The sheer awesomeness of such a scenario may be precisely why Kato made the decision not to include Magus in Chrono Cross in the first place -- just too much territory and character development to cover in a game that has to explain so much else.
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just as Faustwolf said, what makes magus amazing is his story. he's no villain and hero, he's an anti-hero who's not afraid to say, loud and clear "I care NOTHING for this world, I want to be all powerful for what I want, which by accident might be of some use to you, and who stops me will be crushed".
plus, his redemption from an arch-enemy (the events in CT) to an unlikely ally... it is legend. they say war makes strange bedfellows, even stranger if they have red eyes and can annhilate entire armies with a spell.
of course, de gustibus non disputandum est. but magus is loved by many because of all this, and much more. the image posted by FaustWolf is pretty much explanative.
and BTW, he IS better than anyone else XD IMHO, of course. certainly more powerful than anyone else, with the possible exception of Lavos (in his ultimate stage) and some other creatures.
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Well on a non-biased stand point you can't deny that he could have a sequel to trigger about him. If you didn't defeat him with Frog/Glenn you could easily have had a sequel with him looking for schala instead of the Cross characters.
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He has the most Character Development out of Crono & Co. easily. I'd say his hair is more cerulean or turquoise blue than purple...He also happens to be one of the only characters that has close ties to an actual family besides, what? Crono's mom & Marle's dad (OMG! I smell hentai pairing!)? He's an ass, but it's easy to relate to WHY and what he's doing.
No father figure, insane mother, and people talking about how his sister's the big magic powerhouse of the family while he doesn't seem to have a speck in him...I mean, c'mon, he was torn from the only person that actually liked him and thrown into a war-torn nation where there are a bunch of freaky monsters that surround him...how's he not gonna be a little fucked up about all that? He's also a heavily revenge-based character, which is always fun. He was willing to do whatever it took to reach his goals. I think there's something inspiring about what he was able to accomplish. The pure strength of will to continue on for all of those years. Revenge honed to a terrible point, assuredly.
Magus isn't really the best character in the game, but when you first get him he is gonna be the most powerful Magically...Plus, his Techs are some of the coolest looking (& sounding!)...and he's got the most powerful all-targeting Magic Triple Tech: Omega Flare.
He just has the best quotes in the game! He's like Ash in Army of Darkness, he's got so many great lines!
The black wind begins to blow…
Alright give me your best shot… if you’re prepared for the void!
Say, can you hear that? It's the sound of the Reaper!
Idiots...nothing can live forever.
Zeal...a pitiful woman, duped by Lavos!
I, myself, will bring an end to all this!
If history is to change, let it change! If the world is to be destroyed, so be it!
If my fate is to be destroyed, then I must simply laugh.
I'm coming, Lavos!
Idiot! Have you forgotten our trip to 600 AD?
There's a letter here. Shall we burn it?
The past is dead.
It was all just a dream...
So... since the dawn of time, it has slept underground, controlling evolution on this world for his own purpose...
We were created to be harvested. All people...... and all living things...
......It's over for you... Your life ends here!
I don't think it's canon to have defeated him on the Cape...especially after RD & his mention, albeit small & overly vague, in CC by Lucca...
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My favorite character is obviously Glenn, if you couldn't tell by my avatar, sig, and user name.
There are many reasons, but most of them got covered by the posts above me so I won;t mention them again.
But I have a very simple reason. There could be no Glenn, without Magus, so by default he is also one of my favorites characters for that reason alone.
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He has the most Character Development out of Crono & Co. easily. I'd say his hair is more cerulean or turquoise blue than purple...He also happens to be one of the only characters that has close ties to an actual family besides, what? Crono's mom & Marle's dad (OMG! I smell hentai pairing!)? He's an ass, but it's easy to relate to WHY and what he's doing.
No father figure, insane mother, and people talking about how his sister's the big magic powerhouse of the family while he doesn't seem to have a speck in him...I mean, c'mon, he was torn from the only person that actually liked him and thrown into a war-torn nation where there are a bunch of freaky monsters that surround him...how's he not gonna be a little fucked up about all that? He's also a heavily revenge-based character, which is always fun. He was willing to do whatever it took to reach his goals. I think there's something inspiring about what he was able to accomplish. The pure strength of will to continue on for all of those years. Revenge honed to a terrible point, assuredly.
Magus isn't really the best character in the game, but when you first get him he is gonna be the most powerful Magically...Plus, his Techs are some of the coolest looking (& sounding!)...and he's got the most powerful all-targeting Magic Triple Tech: Omega Flare.
Yeah, I see where You're coming from, it's just that I wish other characters could get some light Fanwise.
How do you think Toma and Tata feel xD
Toma & Tata: Thank you! Finally someone loves us!
Tact: Shutup you idiots. No one likes you.
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I agree. What the hell makes Magus so cool? He's dark, mysterious..so? So is lavos and you don't see many fans for "it"...I don't get the thing. THen again, you could say the same thing to me asking "Why do you like Schala so much?" I guess there's just things that work with people and things that don't. Magus is a DEFINATE no for me.
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Well Lavos was in Cloverfield, so now he has many fans!
:D
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Well Lavos was in Cloverfield, so now he has many fans!
:D
WTF? Okay, I have to see that flick now.
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Okay, for the record... NOT REALLY. They are only similar in the fact they are both giant creatures hellbent on destruction.
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Oh....
I thought there was actually a Lavos reference ;_;
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justin's right, Schala...pwns...ALL!
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cupn00dles did the first one I believe, but I'm unsure about the others except EmperorJustin at Deviantart.
Toma and Tata deserve more screentime though. So does Lavos. Damn, this thread gives me nostalgic feelings for that Chrono Break audiotext thingy I've left abandoned for the longest time. However, the Chrono Cross doings must come first.
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I am all for Magus and everything, but the thing I don't get is the love for Schala. :?
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Tata and Schala are my favorite NPC's in CT.
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I think what I like most about Schala is how unexplored her character is -- and that's precisely why many are also left wondering why the heck Schala has such ardent fans. From a storyline perspective, as with Magus, there's so much you can do with the character. But if limited to the in-game evidence, I view Schala as a tragic Christlike figure, realizing the wrongs of her society but continuing her passive resistance despite how futile it all might seem to her. She's committed to the principle of kindness, and it is her unwavering loyalty to this principle that is ultimately her undoing. Schala must have some really brilliant psychological anguish going on inside her mind.
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For some reason I loved Toma Levine. I always wanted to see more Toma Levine.
Then I saw the Toriyama character art for him and I thought he looked like a boofus - and that mustache didn't help in the least.
But still, Mr. Pour This Soda On My Grave holds a special part of my heart.
And not in the homosexual way.
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Toma, too, is freaking awesome. There's so much you can do with the character. Uh, jeez, I'm saying that a lot.
Did the group have to pour sake on Toma's grave in the Japanese version, I wonder?
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I'm 97.2325% percent sure... YES.
I have this idea in my head for a Chrono game that I hope to make into a MOD one day (I'm not claiming that it will happen yet) and Toma definitely serves a larger role (as a supporting character). Gosh, I almost want to go public with the storyline just to get the ball rolling, but I can't commit yet...
*sigh*
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Sweet, I look forward to it. There's always the Dream Splash!es, but I think El Nido is next. I can't wait for the Guardia Dream Splash!; at that point, I shall release some Toma-related writing I've got sitting on my hard drive, and you can release yours, and we'll have a Toma party! Complete with sake, and cider for the young ones.
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I think I'm with Glennleo, Frog/Glenn is easily my favourite character, but he really wouldn't be the same without Magus.
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Magus is cool even if his character is not to everyone's liking... His story touched me, losing everything he held dear... It is no wonder why he went over to the Dark Side, hehe... :)
I am all for Magus and everything, but the thing I don't get is the love for Schala. :?
Huh? that surprised me... I thought everyone here at the Compendium REVERE Schala... :?
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I was surprised to find everyone here loved her, she was important in CC, but in CT all she did that was important was teleport you out of Ocean Palace. Thats cool and all but man not worth being revered.
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Well Lavos was in Cloverfield, so now he has many fans!
:D
I think that the "thing" in cloverfield was more like Sin
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I didn't really dig her that much, she gave Magus that Amulet, which was neat...I like the idea that Magus keeps that pendant all throughout those years, wearing it proudly & enabling him to avoid all status effects! HA! I somehow figure that's got to be someway he managed to get on the side of the Mystics, because they couldn't poison/confuse/whatever him...^_^
Anyways...she's not developed a lot, but even the small glimpse of her personality in Trigger made me like her more than, say, Marle...>_> But that's not really saying much, I guess...*shrugs* She was a sort of tragic character, forced to go with her mother's insanity and not really being able to do much against it besides when she frees Crono & Co. to try & help the Gurus...and then the crap happens to her inbetween CT & CC, of course...It's interesting that they say she's more powerful than even her mother, and yet she's still compelled to do what her mother asks of her. Definitely a neat, kind of unique personality.
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Yes indeed.. many people like her not because of the role she played in CT but because of her personality..
oh man, why couldnt she just escape from the Ocean Palace along with the rest of the PCs???
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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, but a big reason people like both Magus & Schala is their kick-ass themes! Two of the best in a game absolutely saturated with awesome themes.
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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, but a big reason people like both Magus & Schala is their kick-ass themes! Two of the best in a game absolutely saturated with awesome themes.
AHHHHHH.
You see, I watched my brother played CT when I was very young so I don't remember the music ell, and then I wen't and played through the ROM without sound!
Oh well, Imma go play my rom on this PC (that has sound)
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's sacrilege...especially here, dude! You lose 1/3 of the awesomeness that is CT w/o the sound!
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Tis true! The fact that you're a big enough fan and haven't heard any of the music is pretty epic, actually... being that music is such a plus for that game...
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I'm playing the rom right now, btw the boring factory in 2300 AD is alot easier when your paying at Light Speed playback. :D
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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, but a big reason people like both Magus & Schala is their kick-ass themes! Two of the best in a game absolutely saturated with awesome themes.
AHHHHHH.
You see, I watched my brother played CT when I was very young so I don't remember the music ell, and then I wen't and played through the ROM without sound!
Oh well, Imma go play my rom on this PC (that has sound)
Good. You'll love the game even more than you ever thought possible. The OST rules.
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Yeah. i've heard some of the OST before, including the Brink of Time Album.
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Is Magus really all that cool?
He's not my #1, that spot is saved for a special someone (Crono). However, Magus takes second in my eyes. Instead of rushing to rescue the fair maiden, or time (as the case may be), Magus takes his time and broods over things. He's a thinker, and as stated before, great at revenge. Spending roughly half the game as the main villain, then turning around and becoming the anti-hero certainly brought a twist to my first runthrough. He's magic-based yet strong physically, he (imo) hid his powers from the rest of Zeal, and has so many damn cool lines.
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I always saved all my Magic and Power Tabs to make him a tank.
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I picture him as a lead singer of a metal band. The band consisting of Slash on guitar 1 (sounds familiar), Magus on guitar 2 and vocals, Flea on bass (hmm, sounds familiar too) and Ozzie on drums. Thats what I picture when I listen to a certain song anyway.
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I always saved all my Magic and Power Tabs to make him a tank.
1. Save all tabs.
2. Level all to **
3. Use tabs to fill un-**'d stats.
4. ??
5. Profit.
I picture him as a lead singer of a metal band. The band consisting of Slash on guitar 1 (sounds familiar), Magus on guitar 2 and vocals, Flea on bass (hmm, sounds familiar too) and Ozzie on drums. Thats what I picture when I listen to a certain song anyway.
And this song you speak of...what is it?
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Devildriver - Hold Back the Day
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When did this topic get pinned...and why??
Anyways...
He's magic-based yet strong physically
While his physicality is certainly looked over, I think it has a reason...I'm pretty sure he's only above Marle & Lucca in physical attacks...possibly Frog as well...The real middle-ground is Robo.
I picture him as a lead singer of a metal band.
Y'know, I just can't imagine Magus...singing...at all...I could only imagine him as part of a punk band (either w/his old Mystic Crew or Crono & Co., I'm sure either would work)...but only on a mostly instrumental song...his only vocals would be him saying, "**** you." to the crowd...& possibly spraying them with some kind of Dark Mist death sauce.
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Y'know, I just can't imagine Magus...singing...at all...I could only imagine him as part of a punk band (either w/his old Mystic Crew or Crono & Co., I'm sure either would work)...but only on a mostly instrumental song...his only vocals would be him saying, "**** you." to the crowd...& possibly spraying them with some kind of Dark Mist death sauce.
Then forget my "Do-se-do with Magus and Friends" idea.
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When did this topic get pinned...and why??
I thought you did?! :? Guess not...
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I Like all aspects of magus. I Like Janus, Magus, and the Prophet!
This Guy really has opened up the most room for development. I love the fact that he is shrouded in such darkness
So Yeah in my opinion he is really that cool!
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Magus pronounced like Maggots XD
my fav characters were
Schala in CT like 8 years ago. still is
then Kid from chrono cross, even before i found out she was schala XD
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Spoiler!!!!
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Magus pronounced like Maggots XD
Even if it's the wrong pronunciation, I still pronounce it Ma-juss. Just Like I call Serge, Ser-dge (Not "Sir-Gay". That's just retarded.)
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Not a huge fan of him myself. Yes, he plays a pivotal role in the entire story, No I didn't forgive him for his actions when the choice came up (in my first playthrough, at least).
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I'm never a big fan of the angsty-badass-dark types. He is still a very amazingly developed character just like everyone else in CT, and I really don't mind all the hype.
I want to see more love for Lucca though. D:
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I want to see more love for Lucca though. D:
Who?
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The game's resident sexy geek with pinkish/purplely hair and skin-tight black bicycle shorts! >_>
And the only Chrono character in THREE games!! Uh...well, second if you count Schala I guess...But her appearances in RD & CC are basically half-appearances...?
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Well <_< Lucca appears fully in CT and half-appears in the other two as mentions, and Schala fully appears in CT and half-appears in the other two as Kid. =x
The next Chrono game needs to have LuccaXKid flashbacks!
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Yeah, but Lucca's ALSO in Xenogears! ;)
EDIT: And there's the Lucca ghost in CC btw...
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Pfff Lucca, Magus, Chrono they all pale in comparison to Robo. He is the real hero. Every one fought to keep what they had but not him. He being a noble soul fought to give others what they want, even if it meant losing everything he personally had.
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Pfff Lucca, Magus, Chrono they all pale in comparison to Robo. He is the real hero. Every one fought to keep what they had but not him. He being a noble soul fought to give others what they want, even if it meant losing everything he personally had.
*Highfive*
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The game's resident sexy geek with pinkish/purplely hair and skin-tight black bicycle shorts! >_>
And the only Chrono character in THREE games!! Uh...well, second if you count Schala I guess...But her appearances in RD & CC are basically half-appearances...?
Eh...She serves as a good black mage until Magus comes into play. I mean, when everyone else only has physical attacks, and you're fighting three monsters that are only weak against magic, Lucca can walk in and throw fire. But once everyone totes around a little pixie dust, I kinda lost interest. My battles are pretty much filled with variance and destruction. Mage, Tank, Jack of All Trades. Having a multi-elemental mage already in my party, I just don't find much use in having another mage. But, to each his own.
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d3viant, you should try playing through FF1 with 4 black mages. Then you'll see the utter power of multiple magic users at once. >:D
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d3viant, you should try playing through FF1 with 4 black mages. Then you'll see the utter power of multiple magic users at once. >:D
Red Mage = win
4 monk = lay waste to all
4 white mage = wow
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Teenage fascination with darkness and generic badassery at first, but he's got a special place in my heart still. There's a lot about him that could be said but just isn't, and it's frustrating and enchanting at the same time.
Then again, his constant failure in multiple fields (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/maggiekarp/maggiekarp2/magilspower.jpg) is probably the most frustrating...
And while I adore every character of CT in my own special ways, I feel like I'm one of very few that actually finds Marle cute and charming. I've liked her more than Schala for years, if only because when she sees bad stuff go down, she actually gets up and does something about it besides moping. Not to say Schala's situation wasn't endearingly hopeless...
Also, I like the idea of Magus and Marle interactions. Like fighting over who gets to be the leader after Crono dies, eventually Marle would get all hissy fit "I AM THE LEADER" shrieking and Magus would just back off to the number three slot with maybe a short "Yes'm"
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4 monk = lay waste to all
4 monks? Really? I find that hard to believe, considering no healer is in sight, along with no attack bonuses from weapons (i.e. they don't use any).
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4 monk = lay waste to all
4 monks? Really? I find that hard to believe, considering no healer is in sight, along with no attack bonuses from weapons (i.e. they don't use any).
I'm going to have to go with d3viant on this one as monks get way unbalanced later on in the game; coupled with a Red/Black mage with steel/haste-- :shock:
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Teenage fascination with darkness and generic badassery at first, but he's got a special place in my heart still. There's a lot about him that could be said but just isn't, and it's frustrating and enchanting at the same time.
Then again, his constant failure in multiple fields (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/maggiekarp/maggiekarp2/magilspower.jpg) is probably the most frustrating...
And while I adore every character of CT in my own special ways, I feel like I'm one of very few that actually finds Marle cute and charming. I've liked her more than Schala for years, if only because when she sees bad stuff go down, she actually gets up and does something about it besides moping. Not to say Schala's situation wasn't endearingly hopeless...
Gasp! You like Marle!! Me to! I always used her. She had spunk, but wasn't a B**ch about it! I mean now a days spunk and tomboy also goes with abusive and rude (normally towards guys) or they are afraid to show there feminine but not Marle she was capable of having spunk and be a little tomboyish without being a jerk about it and she had a feminine side she wasn't afraid to show either and wasn't afraid to be nice or flirt with Crono.
I liked Schala to for much diffrent reasons, but still. I will always adore Marle...and Lucca gets love from me to.
My group was basically always Marle->Lucca->Magus
Also, I like the idea of Magus and Marle interactions. Like fighting over who gets to be the leader after Crono dies, eventually Marle would get all hissy fit "I AM THE LEADER" shrieking and Magus would just back off to the number three slot with maybe a short "Yes'm"
Hahahaha I know what you mean.
Pfff Lucca, Magus, Chrono they all pale in comparison to Robo. He is the real hero. Every one fought to keep what they had but not him. He being a noble soul fought to give others what they want, even if it meant losing everything he personally had.
Hmmmmm....Your right He may not be my fav but he is indeed the most noble isn't he.
d3viant, you should try playing through FF1 with 4 black mages. Then you'll see the utter power of multiple magic users at once. >:D
Magic beats power! Magic Users forever!
That being said! As for the point of this post! I do like Magus, but he's not my fav! Lucca and Marle both have that spot for CT, he is kinda cool....if you think about it maybe alittle emo....but unlike some emoish characters for a good reason!
Oh I was going through the post again and I saw this
I agree. What the hell makes Magus so cool? He's dark, mysterious..so? So is lavos and you don't see many fans for "it"...I don't get the thing. THen again, you could say the same thing to me asking "Why do you like Schala so much?" I guess there's just things that work with people and things that don't. Magus is a DEFINATE no for me.
Actully I'm a huge fan of Lavos! I wuv Lavos-chan! I wonder is there is a Lavos Plushie out there so every night I can sleep next to him! Love Lavos simple life forms or else mwhahahahahahaha! (Warning: May have a few issues. Don't make sudden movements.) Hmmm acctully that Lavos-chan comment has me thinking of a cute little picture I could draw (once my skills improve) Chibi Zeal riding Chibi Lavos! Awwwww isn't that adorible sounding!
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I actually will say that for my strategy for this game, Magus doesn't fit well. I always thought he was the coolest character as far as design, but my party is always Lucca, Marle, and Crono. Gold Studs all around, Antipode 3 and Luminaire. Takes about 5 minutes to beat the last two forms of Lavos.
Now when you lose Crono, you need a strong physical attacker and someone who can throw his magical weight around. That's why I always try to get Magus as soon as possible, and he leads my party to Death Peak.
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I actually will say that for my strategy for this game, Magus doesn't fit well. I always thought he was the coolest character as far as design, but my party is always Lucca, Marle, and Crono. Gold Studs all around, Antipode 3 and Luminaire. Takes about 5 minutes to beat the last two forms of Lavos.
Now when you lose Crono, you need a strong physical attacker and someone who can throw his magical weight around. That's why I always try to get Magus as soon as possible, and he leads my party to Death Peak.
Souns like a solid strategy. Here's mine:
For the first portion of the game, i.e. before Zeal, I wanted a balanced party leader,a magic user, and a tank to focus on attacking and healing as a chemist (one who uses items). This usually fell into Crono, Lucca, and Robo/Ayla for me. When Magus came in, I quickly replaced Lucca with him, due to his skills being quite superior. Gold studs all around as you did, Prism helms and rainbow armor, Crono and Magu' ultimate weapons, the last 2 lavos forms take about 5 minutes with a combination of a Luminaire/Dark Matter/TripleKick, Luminaire/Dark Matter/Megalixer pattern. Easy as pie.
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As much as I love using Magus during big fights, my Spekkio party is, and always has been: Crono, Marle, Lucca. Can't beat it.
Teenage fascination with darkness and generic badassery at first, but he's got a special place in my heart still. There's a lot about him that could be said but just isn't, and it's frustrating and enchanting at the same time.
Then again, his constant failure in multiple fields (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/maggiekarp/maggiekarp2/magilspower.jpg) is probably the most frustrating...
And while I adore every character of CT in my own special ways, I feel like I'm one of very few that actually finds Marle cute and charming. I've liked her more than Schala for years, if only because when she sees bad stuff go down, she actually gets up and does something about it besides moping. Not to say Schala's situation wasn't endearingly hopeless...
Also, I like the idea of Magus and Marle interactions. Like fighting over who gets to be the leader after Crono dies, eventually Marle would get all hissy fit "I AM THE LEADER" shrieking and Magus would just back off to the number three slot with maybe a short "Yes'm"
I've always liked Marle. She's one of my favorite characters. For one, she can cast Haste. And as everyone knows, the faster you go, the faster you kill. I too find her cute and charming. And when Crono dies, I usually let her take the lead until they climb Death Peak, when she returns control of the party back to its rightful owner.
4 monk = lay waste to all
4 monks? Really? I find that hard to believe, considering no healer is in sight, along with no attack bonuses from weapons (i.e. they don't use any).
I'm going to have to go with d3viant on this one as monks get way unbalanced later on in the game; coupled with a Red/Black mage with steel/haste-- :shock:
Items, man. Items. Four monks means not having to buy weapons and armor. Just inns and items. It can get sick.
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How are their stats without weapons and armor? To me it seems like they'd be pretty low.
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How are their stats without weapons and armor? To me it seems like they'd be pretty low.
They have a natural unarmed damage boost as per most FF games with monks. Also as they level up the hit no. goes up like crazy... and with haste that number is doubled. Not to mention what happens when you start spamming steel on warriors/monks(hint: there is no 9999 damage cap).
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How are their stats without weapons and armor? To me it seems like they'd be pretty low.
They have a natural unarmed damage boost as per most FF games with monks. Also as they level up the hit no. goes up like crazy... and with haste that number is doubled. Not to mention what happens when you start spamming steel on warriors/monks(hint: there is no 9999 damage cap).
Are you serious?! You must be talking about the original... I've only played the Dawn of Souls remake, and I've never seen anything higher than 9999 points of damage.
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How are their stats without weapons and armor? To me it seems like they'd be pretty low.
They have a natural unarmed damage boost as per most FF games with monks. Also as they level up the hit no. goes up like crazy... and with haste that number is doubled. Not to mention what happens when you start spamming steel on warriors/monks(hint: there is no 9999 damage cap).
Are you serious?! You must be talking about the original... I've only played the Dawn of Souls remake, and I've never seen anything higher than 9999 points of damage.
No, I'm pretty sure I used the dawn of souls version; steel boost strength by 15 each time, infinitely stackable(well at least until 255 anyways). Use that to max STR on a Warrior(Knight) with an Ultima Weapon and you'll be dealing 15000+ damage.
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No, I'm pretty sure I used the dawn of souls version; steel boost strength by 15 each time, infinitely stackable(well at least until 255 anyways). Use that to max STR on a Warrior(Knight) with an Ultima Weapon and you'll be dealing 15000+ damage.
Hot Damn. You've done the job of keeping me busy today... Time to go dig out my GBA.
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No, I'm pretty sure I used the dawn of souls version; steel boost strength by 15 each time, infinitely stackable(well at least until 255 anyways). Use that to max STR on a Warrior(Knight) with an Ultima Weapon and you'll be dealing 15000+ damage.
Hot Damn. You've done the job of keeping me busy today... Time to go dig out my GBA.
Seconded. Talking about Dawn of Souls has made me want to bring out the old girl.
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Don't forget, though, in order to deal the 'higher' end damage, you'll need a higher hit count which means higher levels...
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That's just fantastic.. I've maxed out my Knight and Ninja, first has the Ultima Weapon, second has the Masamune. Still not getting any higher than 9999
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To quote the magic FAQ by transience
Temper (sutorai)
MP: 8
Where: Provoka
Price: 250
Class: Black Mage, Black Wizard, Ninja, Red Mage, Red Wizard
Description: Believe it or not, this might be the single most
important spell in the game. Steel increases your attack by
like 14 points and can be stacked over and over. I've taken
a knight and made him hit for over 4,000 damage using this.
Then I got curious and got a Red Mage over 10,000. Absolutely
essential for fighting soul of chaos bosses.
Edit: apparently it raises STR by 14, oh well...
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I've got the 8-bit theater group, 4 monks, and 4 white mages as my three save files on Dawn of Souls.
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I always liked Magus, but never was I a fan boy by any means. People really like Magus because he is a man who stands alone amongst the many in Chrono Trigger. He probably has the most unique characteristics, story, etc. Maybe I'm stretching it a bit, but I can't be too far off!
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I think part of the appeal concerning Magus is that out of all the Chrono Trigger characters, Magus seems to have the most story behind the character. I mean, compare what we know about Magus and what we know about Crono. Also, Magus has this badassity/tragic character components that we, as humans, seem to find so attractive and appealing.
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I think part of the appeal concerning Magus is that out of all the Chrono Trigger characters, Magus seems to have the most story behind the character. I mean, compare what we know about Magus and what we know about Crono. Also, Magus has this badassity/tragic character components that we, as humans, seem to find so attractive and appealing.
Plus, this was one of the first games EVER to let you play as a boss you fought earlier in the game. That's what made him so alluring to me.
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Plus, this was one of the first games EVER to let you play as a boss you fought earlier in the game.
And there's that! :D
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[spoiler]He is Awsome[/spoiler]
Edit:No spoiler tags damn it.
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Plus, this was one of the first games EVER to let you play as a boss you fought earlier in the game. That's what made him so alluring to me.
I agree. The only game I've played that let you do that prior to CT didn't give the characters a personality. If not for that twist, Magus wouldn't be anywhere near as cool as he is; he'd just be a particularly stubborn villain with a tragic past and a record of unbroken failure at all his schemes.
Changing the topic a bit, am I the only one who sees a proto-Magus in Necrosaro (Dragon Warrior IV)? Pretty badass, tragic story, involved in the plot, and after a certain revelation at the very end of the game I wanted to turn him into an ally. The remake *spoiler spoiler*. Much better than Golbez, who appeared the following year.
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Hey, Magus is cool! I mean, he got purple hair :lee:
Now without kidding. Magus is pretty cool, maybe the mystical character too.
But he is not so cool as the old men (I forgot his name) at the end of time.
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No spoiler tags damn it.
Yeah, I know... *sighs*
It would solve a lot of problems, including, but not limited to: over-sized sigs, spoiler-sensitive info(obviously), unnecessarily used post space(i.e for specific audiences, large images, etc.), NSFW material, among other things...
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Ah,he is cool,but i always kill him :P
For me,Ayla rulez xD
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Plus, this was one of the first games EVER to let you play as a boss you fought earlier in the game.
And there's that! :D
Too bad Bowser in Super Mario RPG came before Magus!
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True that, Placid, true that...
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Plus, this was one of the first games EVER to let you play as a boss you fought earlier in the game.
And there's that! :D
Too bad Bowser in Super Mario RPG came before Magus!
Oh really? Since when does 1996 come before 1995?
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Plus, this was one of the first games EVER to let you play as a boss you fought earlier in the game.
And there's that! :D
Too bad Bowser in Super Mario RPG came before Magus!
Oh really? Since when does 1996 come before 1995?
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/99/266513683_bed9e222e6.jpg?v=0)
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Oh crap, I forgot about that XDD
OWN'D
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Plus, this was one of the first games EVER to let you play as a boss you fought earlier in the game. That's what made him so alluring to me.
Also one of the first games that makes you lose his 9999 HP and all of his attacks that he had in the boss fight. ~_~
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Plus, this was one of the first games EVER to let you play as a boss you fought earlier in the game.
And there's that! :D
Too bad Bowser in Super Mario RPG came before Magus!
Oh really? Since when does 1996 come before 1995?
Since you came around and ruined the fun, man.
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I don't like how my name is quoted in that Quote Pyramid. All I said was "And there's that! :D"
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You said too much!
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I fail... In Quote Pyramid format!
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I fail... In Quote Pyramid format!
Failing by proxy. Wow...
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I like Magus, he's cool, but definitely not the best. Although his song is my second favorite song in CT. He has cool aspects to him, but not the best by a long shot.
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The topic isn't "Is Magus the best?"...it's basically "Is Magus cool?"...which he clearly is. I mean, basically 7 pages of people saying, "Yer damn right he is!" 8)
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True. He has interesting things to him, but he's not so (Will not quote language)good as other people say. In my opinion.
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Magus is cool, Schala is cool. Deep stories, deep characters. And blue hair. LOTS of blue hair.
I personally prefer Schala, actually. But Magus and Schala aren't even my favs. Crono and Marle are up there for me. So is Cyrus, Cyrus is awesome, freakin Nova Strike. 8)
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Was always more of a Robo guys myself, now THAT guy has some funk in his theme song . . .
The only reason I really didn't care for magus much, was that a large portion of his techs, something that really makes a character special, consisted of techs from OTHER character . . .
I guess it's cool on some characters, but Magus didn't really seem like the type to, have all sorts of magic. I would've rather seen him have a bunch of dark-type magic, maybe even things like DARK-lightning, ect ect ect.
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Was always more of a Robo guys myself, now THAT guy has some funk in his theme song . . .
The only reason I really didn't care for magus much, was that a large portion of his techs, something that really makes a character special, consisted of techs from OTHER character . . .
I guess it's cool on some characters, but Magus didn't really seem like the type to, have all sorts of magic. I would've rather seen him have a bunch of dark-type magic, maybe even things like DARK-lightning, ect ect ect.
Now THAT sir sounds like a good idea!
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He is a master of all of the Magics, thus his Shadow innate. Combine 2 Magics & ya get Shadow, more or less. It also gives him a decided advantage against enemies w/innate-specific weaknesses.
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See now even that I could see. BUT, my issue with that would be, then, have some unique elemental abilities that crono, lucca, and marle don't have . . . otherwise it just kinda feels like a half-baked character.
Magus really isn't all that fleshed out anyways to be honest. All we really know is the tight family plan that just throws him over ;-)
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We know his motivations & his history, though...a lot of other things we're given glimpses of or told about through 3rd parties. He's one of the most developed characters in the party...>_>
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Yeah actually now that I think of it, really, Frog is pretty heavily explored, Marle too . . .
It's ironic that the real protagonist of the game speaks naught ;-)
But yes, Magus IS pretty thoroughly explored now that I think on it further, in fact, I'd say a great deal of the game revolves around him and his magic-addicted family, er, mother.
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Probably the least explored character of the ones you have is Ayla.
Followed by Robo, then Crono, then Lucca, Frog, Marle, and Magus is probably the most explored.
My guess is that it's because he's not only a main character but he's also a villain and usually whenever a villain is about people will ALWAYS talk about them.
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How is Crono above anyone again...? Robo gets a lot more than he does...I could even make a good argument for Ayla as well, whose development is always underrated (I think because even though she is developed, she's still a very 2 dimensional character...go figure)...
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Ayla isn't really all that looked at, and while Crono may not speak his actions define him moreso.
Robo IS more developed but most of his development coes from sidequests you don't have to go on. I'm just not counting those. Coutning side quests, oh yeah, way more developed. But I feel Ayla's actions and voice don't save her from being least explored. Crono gets to do a lot more but only because he's main character. If he didn't have that factor, definetly dead last cause you wouldn't see him that often.
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Agreed, never wanted to play Ayla much at all to be honest.
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Ayla isn't really all that looked at, and while Crono may not speak his actions define him moreso.
Robo IS more developed but most of his development coes from sidequests you don't have to go on. I'm just not counting those. Coutning side quests, oh yeah, way more developed. But I feel Ayla's actions and voice don't save her from being least explored. Crono gets to do a lot more but only because he's main character. If he didn't have that factor, definetly dead last cause you wouldn't see him that often.
If you're not counting the side quests then almost all the characters have barely any development.
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Yeah, one of CT's major points is the fact that it was one of the first RPGs that incorporated character development into its sidequests. You might as well say that anything after you have access to the bucket in the EoT is "just a sidequest"...>_>
Canon counts.
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Alright, I'm just saying what I thought.
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Gotta say, Robo IS one of my favorite characters (sidequests included). Ooh, I was just thinking about the Missus (ms.) Robo. Combine her with Mother Brain and the Blue-Modeled Robo's (the name escapes me), and Robo ends up as one of the most explored characters in the game.
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In response to the thread topic: Yes. XD He's just so awesome, I have to say. Everyone's right, he's certainly the most unique and most explored character in the game. I'd have to say that he and Glenn would have to be my favorites. Crono comes close but I hate silent protagonists. :/ Prometheus (I like it better than Robo... -.-; I prefer to call all the characters by their real names, e.g. Frog=Glenn. I also tend to rename them to those names if I can. (Is Marle a pseudonym, though? Or is that her real name or something? I get the impression that her first name's Nadia, and that Marle is a pseudonym she made up, but whatever...)) is definitely good, but it would have worked better if he wasn't a robot... I hate it when stories have robot characters that display emotion and sentience. (*cough*Transformers*cough*) They aren't sentient...while it does pain me to say it, you can't have a sentient robot creature...they're just computers. They don't have real minds... Prometheus is a memorable character nonetheless, and I do like that he adds diversity, but... Ayla definitely comes dead last for me, though. I just do not like her. You're right, she has very little characterization and that annoying prehistoric "accent" of hers does not help her case... -.- I do like the CT cast as a whole, though. Marle is definitely a close second, she's quite characterized and I like her a lot. She serves the "generic hero's girlfriend" model without being wussy, damsel in distress, and extremely girly. (In fact, I really like how she saved Crono, instead of the other way around) And she casts Haste. That's definitely a plus. :p As for Lucca... I didn't like her very much. I never really used her. She's a generic smart, scientist girl, and while I do accept that she's a genius, she does not seem to have a lot of characterization until Chrono Cross... (Which is so loosely connected to CT and so radically different that it feels like it's in two different universes altogether...) From the first time you can switch party members, I did: Crono, Marle, Prometheus, then when you get Glenn, Crono, Marle, Glenn, then when you get Janus, (I never added Ayla to my party except when she was needed) Crono, Marle, Janus all the way. He's just amazing. So much backstory, so much development and painful choices... Plus, he has all those awesome quotes. :D I, personally, would really like to see a sub-game centered around Janus. You're right, his personality is just so open-ended and filled with different possibilities... And yes, I do believe that it's cannon that he remains alive. (As evident by Lucca's letter in CC -- I don't consider Radical Dreamers cannon, as the developers themselves say it's no longer cannon. Which is one of the reasons why I hate it whenever someone says, "Oh, Chrono Cross is the 3rd game", or "Actually, we need a fourth game" whenever people ask for a third Chrono game... It doesn't even have "Chrono" in the title, too... >.>) And, wow, this is turning into a long post. o_o I'll wrap up with Schala, since I haven't addressed her yet. As evident by my sig, I really like Schala. She was so alike and yet so different from Janus. (Even down to their innate element, if you've (spoilers?) played Chrono Cross...uh...I think... o_o? (end spoilers?)) She just seemed like such a great character. I was quite sad to see her suddenly disappear after so short a time. :( *SPOILERZ!* Why did Lavos have to eat her? Why? *sob* *END SPOILERZ!* I don't know, she was just such a memorable character. I really liked her. She deserves a sub-game too. (Possibly both Janus and Schala could appear in the sub-game) In my humble opinion, PCs from most characterized to least: Janus, Glenn, Marle/Prometheus, (I can't decide which one's more characterized) Crono, (only barely) Ayla.
Chrono Trigger was an amazing game, loved it so much. It's a pity the money-obsessed heads of Square hate it. *cries*
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There is nothing in the human body a machine can't mimic, so yes Robo can have a personality.
Robo is the best not Magus!!!!
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There is nothing in the human body a machine can't mimic, so yes Robo can have a personality.
Robo is the best not Magus!!!!
YES. ROBO FANBOYS ATTACK~~~
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I like both Robo and Magus, but I think I'm going to stick with Frog.
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Jesus H. Chrono, Chocobo_Fan, that was the ugliest post I've seen here in a good long while. I'm gonna try to break it down in these quotes...
Is Marle a pseudonym, though? Or is that her real name or something? I get the impression that her first name's Nadia, and that Marle is a pseudonym she made up, but whatever...))
In the Japanese version her name is Marldia. Thus, "Marl" was supposed to be like her slipping up & almost telling Crono her name (or at least only shortening her real name by 3 letters...>_>).
Prometheus is definitely good, but it would have worked better if he wasn't a robot... I hate it when stories have robot characters that display emotion and sentience. (*cough*Transformers*cough*) They aren't sentient...while it does pain me to say it, you can't have a sentient robot creature...they're just computers. They don't have real minds...
Uh...have you never heard of A.I.? Just because it doesn't exist in our here & now doesn't mean that it can't (or won't for that matter). I mean, they're ROBOTS...what's to say they can't have emotions at some time in the future?
You're right, she (Ayla) has very little characterization and that annoying prehistoric "accent" of hers does not help her case...
It seems like you're taking your own bias towards her to judge her amount of character development, which I think was more than decent. She's one of the few characters we actually see have a relationship with a character outside of the party (& not only with Kino, but all of her village). Not to mention her awesome speech with the Laruba Village Chief & her offer to bring Azala with them when Lavos was coming down. In fact, one could make a pretty good case for her being one of the MOST developed characters of the bunch. Just because you might not like her doesn't change that.
In fact, I really like how she (Marle) saved Crono, instead of the other way around
Well, there was the whole him saving her from being misplaced from time thing in the beginning (and going after her in the first place)...>_>
And she (Marle) casts Haste. That's definitely a plus.
Haste Helms>Marle
As for Lucca... I didn't like her very much. I never really used her. She's a generic smart, scientist girl, and while I do accept that she's a genius, she does not seem to have a lot of characterization until Chrono Cross...
Again, it seems more like your own personal preference rather than the actual character's development. We see a lot of her personality through the game (since she's one of the first characters in it)...and we even see the specific event that drives her to be that "generic smart, scientist girl", and it's a fairly emotional, memorable scene at that! And I don't remember a lot of characterization of her in CC besides a letter she wrote.
I don't consider Radical Dreamers cannon, as the developers themselves say it's no longer cannon. Which is one of the reasons why I hate it whenever someone says, "Oh, Chrono Cross is the 3rd game", or "Actually, we need a fourth game" whenever people ask for a third Chrono game... It doesn't even have "Chrono" in the title, too... >.>
RD is just as canon as CC if you ask me. Both take place in alternate dimensions, much the same as even CT starts. And even if the title isn't a copy of the original, I don't see how that makes it any less of a sequel. It's still the second game of the series.
Chrono Trigger was an amazing game, loved it so much. It's a pity the money-obsessed heads of Square hate it. *cries*
What gives you that idea? The team behind the series all but left Square for the longest time. If anything, they've been oddly GOOD to the series by not just dumping the series onto any ol' team to pump out another game. They even stopped two fan games, showing that they have no intention of giving up on the series.
Anyways, from now on, learn the mighty Art of the Paragraph. It's your friend!
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Oops, sorry about that. :( My memory's a bit fuzzy, (Tsk, I need to replay CT, don't I...?) and yes, I have terrible paragraphing skills. -.-; I need to work on that... And originally, I had intended the post to be shorter, but I tend to ramble and it just kept going... I do that sometimes. -.-;
Oh, I didn't know that. So Marle is her real name. I'll call her that then.
Blargh, I can't explain this very well... And yes, I have heard of A.I., but it's artificial intelligence... It's different from ours. Or something. I'm really bad at explaining this, so I won't go any further into it, and I'll leave the topic be for now.
Hm. Ayla does not have many ties into the actual story, unlike most other characters... (She plays a smaller role than, say, Glenn...) I suppose in 65000000 BC alone, though, she does have characterization... It's that she's very different from the other characters. It's hard to fit her in anywhere else than the prehistoric era. In my humble opinion. My memory may be going fuzzy. Again.
Myes I forgot about that. -.-; I find the whole Death Peak thing to have a greater impact than the "saving Marle" quest at the beginning of the game. Maybe. We are each entitled to our opinions. Marle seemed like a very unique character to me, though.
And the Haste thing was not as serious as the rest... Although it should be noted that that Haste is unique to her, and there are some things better than haste helms. I also generally always have her in the party anyway.
Dah, curse my falty memory! >.< Right, right. I did actually like that scene, although I still have to prefer other characters over Lucca nonetheless.
And, uh...? Radical Dreamers has been officially stated to be non-cannon... It's interesting, but seems to be nothing but a shadow compared to Chrono Cross.
Well, I'm glad for the fact that they're remaking CT for the DS, but people have stated before that SE does not seem to like the Chrono franchise. Chrono Cross was... Not so good, compared to CT. It raised more questions than it answered, and had little connection to CT games. It didn't seem as well-put together as CT. It's better than nothing, though, I'll give it that. I have faith that the Chrono series may be revived, what with CT DS, though :)
So sorry for my abysmal paragraphing skills and my crappy memory. :( And for the lack of quotes in this post, as I don't want to make this post longer than it currently is.
And no offense, but isn't this a bit off-topic? This thread is about Magus, not what we're doing now. I don't like getting into heated debates, anyway, as I'm quite shy and do not like to see people angry.
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I don't know how you can like Marle and not like Ayla, they have one of the best scenes together with the Rainbow Shell quest (though I usually have Magus in the party because I really like that burn the letter teasing bit,) especially with insight from the retranslation.
And even though Kato dislikes it and it's not as "fleshed out" as Cross, I prefer Radical Dreamers because it was more concise, had an emotional Serge, and the only really big questions it left behind were what happened to Crono and Marle. Magil too, of course.
If they do decide to make another game after CTDS, I hope it's not another "completely new adventure" that answers one question from the past games but brings up a whole slew of new problems. Really, it doesn't have to be MAGUS: THE GAME, but I'd love a remake of CC with less characters and more ties to RD and CT.
And yeah, Magus is still pretty cool, but I sometimes worry that's just nostalgia talking...
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If they remade CC, they'd most likely put in more characters (jesus christ).
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"This new Chrono game has stronger ties to its predecessors. No, you don't actually find out anything about the fates of the old Trigger team or even Serge and Kid, but you can travel everywhere from Guardia to El Nido and recruit up to fourteen characters from each town! You can even recruit Lavos himself in New Game +!!"
Oh Lord, I mustn't give them ideas...
But considering how Kid's character changed from RD to CC, what would Magus have even been like in Cross had they completely included him? I'm still of the "Guile was Magus to the very last second, and they just changed his name" idea, but I'd like to hear something else.
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"This new Chrono game has stronger ties to its predecessors. No, you don't actually find out anything about the fates of the old Trigger team or even Serge and Kid, but you can travel everywhere from Guardia to El Nido and recruit up to fourteen characters from each town! You can even recruit Lavos himself in New Game +!!"
Oh Lord, I mustn't give them ideas...
HAHAHAHA!!! ROFL! XD You have a good point there. What is with SE and suddenly making nine bazillionty characters in Chrono Cross? Plenty of their games did fine with FIVE! (SMRPG) Sheesh... In my opinion, all you really need is Pip, Kidd, Serge, and Glenn. ;) Those are the only ones I ever really liked using. It's a pity that Glenn isn't Frog sent to 1020 AD through some kind of weird time accident. :( That would have been cool, but oh well. CC's Glenn is still awesome. :D Guile being Magus would be cool too, but they omitted him at the last second, remember? He's such a characterized and open-ended character that he can have an entire game centered around him, so with everything else going on in CC, it would be too much. So he was omitted.
P.S. And I wonder what Lavos would be like...? Since he has, like, a million HP and is a god-thing, it would be weird to see him as a party member. o.O Besides the fact that he's the main villain and doesn't talk, I mean. :p He probably can talk, though, he just doesn't want to. :p
You totally know they're going to, though. SE can be really weird sometimes, and this is definitely no time to stop! D: FEEEEEAR!
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First off, CC was an excellent game and did VERY well. It's just like with Final Fantasy Spirits Within, very good but the problem is what they label it, Final Fantasy or in this case Chrono. Without that label everyone would agree it to be a perfect game. Instead with the name only the reviewers gave it good reviews. (Most bizarre fan review I heard was that it would take a rocket scientist to figure out the plot?).
Next, the "massive" number of characters. Has anyone here picked up a copy of Radiata Stories from SE? Anyone? Great game, that I absolutely loved. Cartoonish, funny, action, romance, and LOADS upon LOADS of characters. It's for PS2. Pretty much EVERY character can be recruited. Even the old lady with the broom yelling at them damn kids to get off her lawn. It has well over 100 playable characters, a great plot, and many guest appearances by characters from the Valkyrie Profile series. Not to mention the Suikoden series which started the trend of EVERY character being playable. It should be a joyous thing that they have so many characters just as long as they each have their own story! Which CC did.
Little connection. If you want little connection, look at Jak and Daxter. The first to the 2nd, we go from this island of all sorts with our goofball of a hero with an excellent life to EXTREME ROUH N TOUGH BADASS WANNABE WITH GUNS AND MOTORCYCLES, BREAKING THE LAW RUNNING FROM COPS AND DRINKING TIL HE PUKES UP ALL OVER HIS ALLIES ALL WHILE SEARCHING FOR HIS KIDNAPPED GIRLFRIEND YOU DON'T TRULY FIND TIL THE THIRD GAME AND SO THE ONLY RELATION IS THE MAIN CHARACTER, BUT GUESS WHAT? NOT MUCH SIMILARITY THERE BECAUSE WE COMPLETELY REVERSED HIS PERSONALITY! RIPSHRED; BLAAAARGH!
Lastly, Lavos would pretty much just step on the opponent and win. He's a giant insect alien so what explanation is there for him not moving? Stomp, final boss - dead.
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P.S. And I wonder what Lavos would be like...? Since he has, like, a million HP and is a god-thing, it would be weird to see him as a party member. o.O Besides the fact that he's the main villain and doesn't talk, I mean. :p He probably can talk, though, he just doesn't want to. :p
If there is one thing I've learned from video game bosses that join you, is that in comparison to when you're fighting them, they always suck.
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It's just like with Final Fantasy Spirits Within, very good but the problem is what they label it, Final Fantasy or in this case Chrono.
Besides looking pretty, FF:TSW wasn't that great of a movie regardless of it's name. Or else movie reviewers (who could give a rats ass what game it might have been pseudo-based on) would have said it was good (which they really didn't). It was ok.
It should be a joyous thing that they have so many characters just as long as they each have their own story! Which CC did.
It's not so much just having a story behind a character that matters, but the overall character development that was lacking in more than half of these characters. This is something that happens a lot in SRPGs that have massive amounts of characters (usually in order so that you can have a variety of differing abilities at your disposal), but is a more rare thing for standard RPGs. I'm a large proponent of having good characters in my RPGs, so even though Cross has a great story & an acceptable battle system, what it's lacking really struck a negative cord with me, as I think it did with many others. I think that this was magnified by the fact that it's the sequel to a game that had such abundant character development, so it's easy for people to compare the two and be left disappointed in that regard even more so.
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Alright, that is a better argument that I can agree with.
Movie reviewers were probably right with Spirits Within(I saw it in theaters that was it, my memory is fuzzy), but they aren't always right such as with claiming Spiderman 3 to be an extremely crappy movie which it was not. It gave out everything everybody asked for, and yet they complained about what they asked for. Too many villains? Pirates has more villains then they did and people didn't have a problem with Pirates, where those villains weren't even as deepened with plot. Too long? Other movies have been way longer and have had raving success(like the new superhro flick The Dark Knight). My point, while reviews were probably right there that it was ok, they aren't always right.
However, I still stand strongly by my point of little connection. CC has a good amount of connection for a cotinuation, unlike other games. Read my example before...
Little connection. If you want little connection, look at Jak and Daxter. The first to the 2nd, we go from this island of all sorts with our goofball of a hero with an excellent life to EXTREME ROUH N TOUGH BADASS WANNABE WITH GUNS AND MOTORCYCLES, BREAKING THE LAW RUNNING FROM COPS AND DRINKING TIL HE PUKES UP ALL OVER HIS ALLIES ALL WHILE SEARCHING FOR HIS KIDNAPPED GIRLFRIEND YOU DON'T TRULY FIND TIL THE THIRD GAME AND SO THE ONLY RELATION IS THE MAIN CHARACTER, BUT GUESS WHAT? NOT MUCH SIMILARITY THERE BECAUSE WE COMPLETELY REVERSED HIS PERSONALITY! RIPSHRED; BLAAAARGH!
And lastly, of course playable bosses suck compared to their boss versions. It'd be odd if Crono has 999 HP, Marle has 897 HP, and Magus has 6666 HP. And Magus is usually the lowest leveled character in your party. (YES! I'm off topic of Magus and on the topic of Magus! Double points!)
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Movie reviewers were probably right with Spirits Within(I saw it in theaters that was it, my memory is fuzzy), but they aren't always right such as with claiming Spiderman 3 to be an extremely crappy movie which it was not. It gave out everything everybody asked for, and yet they complained about what they asked for. Too many villains? Pirates has more villains then they did and people didn't have a problem with Pirates, where those villains weren't even as deepened with plot. Too long? Other movies have been way longer and have had raving success(like the new superhro flick The Dark Knight). My point, while reviews were probably right there that it was ok, they aren't always right.
While I agree that reviewers aren't always right, if YOU think Spider-Man 3 was good, YOU'RE the wrong one there. Besides, it's not like movie reviewers again care about what the comics nerds wanted. And personally, I wasn't a fan of Pirates and the later movies especially for exactly those points you just mentioned. I only liked Johnny Depp's performance, really. But Spider-Man 3, like X3 ironically enough, was a shit-fest, which was too bad because the first 2 were actually pretty good (though Spider-Man was never as quick-witted or funny as he should have been, but that's the dork in me speaking out). There was no focus, the alien costume was random & stupidly implemented, and those stupid teeth on Topher were so annoying to look at. If they couldn't do Venom right, they shouldn't have done him at all. Obviously Sam wasn't familiar enough with the character (being an oldschool Spider-Man fan that he is).
And I don't understand the Jak & Daxter stuff cause I've never played any of them. *shrugs*
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Spideman 3 was okay in my opinion, I'm just saying the reasons chosen to not like the movie weren't good at all for said reasons.
And trust me, Jak 1 is good and the others make no sense.
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Yeah Three really seems to be a bad number for movies lately (or, last year :-p).
Spiderman 3: The villains pissed me off not cause there were so many, but, they weren't f-ing villains! The Sandman is cut loose, after going vigilante for his daughter. The Green Goblin's whining ***chy son, ends up becoming a hero by helping Spiderman, and then DYING in the SAME film that he becomes a character with some power (or technology). What's more, he became all good and friendly with his friend Peter after the f-ing butler told him what Peter had told him repeated? Really? The only real villain was Venom, who was, in my opinion, short lived in the movie. He rarely wreaked any kind of havoc, and was mostly a part of a Spiderman throughout the entire movie . . .
Xmen 3: This movie didn't bug me quite as much, with the exception of "Who the F**k is gonna be, well, the xmen team anymore?!" They killed off an INCREDIBLE amount of people in that movie! And, many, were GOOD guys!
- Xavier (dead, no, don't get me started on the his personality is in another body thing, it's retarded, shouldn't have been done, he shouldn't be dead)
- Jean Grey / Phoenix (dead)
- Cyclops (dead)
- Rogue (powerless, again, I know her abilities might still exist, but hopefully they find a REALLY intelligent way to bring this story back in a way that makes sense. They branched out a bit far for this movie).
- Magneto (powerless, refer to above)
And the thing about this is, it wouldn't have bugged me half as much to find these people dead, if they had any presence in the movie! Cyclops is killed, within what, the first half hour? 20 mins? It's just incredibly risky, and fails. I personally liked Cyclops as a fighter (though he did kinda complain and bug me a bit in the film), and would've LOVED to have seen a lot more of him. Leaving the movie, without the presence of the characters listed above (aside from the latter 2), really took away from the film, causing it to rely a lot more on the younger kids, to play out an adult movie.
Pirates of the Carribean 3: This first one was truly a great piece of art. It was quirky, fun, paced. It kept you going and even had a bit of, gruff, grime and dirt on it, that made it a pirate movie. THEN they get all "Chronicles of Narnia meets Blackbeard" on my ass, giving me mythological, philosophical piracies, which don't exist in any kind of history. Example, this, sailing to the end of the world thing, was just stupid. They aren't there long, it doesn't take long to figure out, AND, it isn't exactly entirely pirate-ish. Enough of the fantasy, builds quickly, and delivers a very alienated pirate experience.
And by god, the princess becomes a queen, of pirates. The son, holds the title of captain, over the very ship that killed (or enslaved) his father, I don't even remember what happened to Jack or Barbosa, but I DO remember thinking "The hell?! This came out of NOWHERE! Everyone is like, exactly the opposite of the character . . ."
3 is not good for movies.
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Yet it seems to be amazing for games; Super Mario Brothers 3, MGS 3, and many other "3's" are seen to be the best in a series. What gives?
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Video games=/=movies as seen with EVERY VIDEO GAME MOVIE EVER (not counting anime)!
X3 sucked for far more than just killing off characters...I mean, jeeze, most of the characters that died have died more than once in the comics...>_>
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After thinking about it I can name only three GOOD game->movie adoptions:
Silent Hill (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Hill_(film))
FFVII:AC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_VII_Advent_Children)
Resident Evil: Degeneration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resident_Evil:_Degeneration)
Two are CG, and one isn't even out yet (but looks hella good)
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After thinking about it I can name only three GOOD game->movie adoptions:
Silent Hill (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Hill_(film))
FFVII:AC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_VII_Advent_Children)
Resident Evil: Degeneration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resident_Evil:_Degeneration)
Two are CG, and one isn't even out yet (but looks hella good)
*Spoilers for Silent Hill games will defently follow*
I won't agree with you on Silent Hill....mainly because I'm a huge a** fan of the games (I've over analized the hell out of it, I have reached the point where Angela form Silent Hill 2 is my fav character and the Idea of Pyrimaid head ra**ing other monsters and killing them is purely metephorical towards James' pent up sexual urges, just like the Nurses in the 2nd game, and thus I dont see anything remotley disturbing about it!!). My main complant is surprisingly the MOTHER thing!
How many movies must be about a mother saving her daughter! IN the game Delilha (I spelled her name wrong I know, I'm in a hurry) was a B*tc* seriously this lady sacrficed her daughter to birth a God! The Main character was teh Father! in the game the contrast was this
Despite Delilah and Alyssa being mother and daughter through birth, there was no love from Alyssia mother.
Harry on the other hand found Alyssia on the side of the road! He and his wife take her in give her love and after the tragic death of his wife, it is his daughter that keeps him from losing his mind. (I like to point out the contrast between Harry and James at this point....but I will no) They lose this in the Movie completly, also Silent Hill is a thriveing resort town in the games which makes it more creepy that no one else is there!
I have many many more reasons, but let's not delve to deep into my already unsatble mind. Oh except pyrimid head was only put in the movie because he's popular, he felt out of place in the already outta whack story to me! Also they will never get to do the whole awesome cult origin story from the 3rd game
"In the beginning people had nothing
There bellies ached and there hearts held nothing but hatred
they fought endlessly but death never came
they depaired stuck in the eternal quigmire.
A man offered a seperant to the sun and prayed fo salvation
a women offered a wreath to the sun and asked for joy
feeling pity for the sadness that had overrun the earth, god was born from those two people
god made time and divided it into day and night
god outlined the road to salvation and gave people joy
and god took endless time away from the people......
Yes there more to it...and trust me if you heard it you'd think someone was actully kindly giving a sermon about it...creepy.
Wow that stretch on longer then expected. (also the one song they used in it was You're Not Here.....from the 3rd game.
Nothing says horror like Pop music! Except in the game the song is played at the opening and works pretty well....oh and um the games have a surprising amount of humor....or I'm a sick sick person)
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I count CGI, especially FFVII: AC as being part of my anime exception rule.
I thought Silent Hill was an ok movie, nothing great...but I haven't played the games at all, and more often than not from fans I've heard nothing but negatives about the movie. I don't see the point in getting the rights to a franchise if you're only going to use the name as a draw & don't actually use the source material.
The first RE was ok in it's own way, but it was far from a Resident Evil movie and this seemed to only get worse as the movies came out (I still haven't seen the last one, though).
I love that "Is Magus cool?" has turned into "Are there any cool video game movies?" :lol:
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I love that "Is Magus cool?" has turned into "Are there any cool video game movies?" :lol:
"Frog-Glenn Connection?" to "Glenn's Haircolor is fucking green, you idiot." Thread of May 2008.
- Never Forget.
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Ah, but you miss the most important part of a good movie, it being enjoyable which Silent Hill very much was. It deviated from the story, no it was a different story, but still had the themes that make the game.
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Does anyone remember the Pokemon movie?(the first one, not all those dumbass remakes). I know it's animated but that was a video game movie and was actually good.
Also Mortal Kombat, the first one. Really stuck true to the theme AND the actual story of the game and even the way the game played in many aspects.
And speaking of video game movies...
They're making another... it had potential until they decided "I'm taking an action game and giving it a romance theme, thus changing it entirely. Try and mix it up!" Not exact words but that's what they're doing. Prince Of Persia: The Sands Of Time. Also, their cast doesn't even look anything like the actual characters...
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Jake Gyllenhaal... Eh.
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I think he all have ADD (thus is a good excuse...i mean reason why we can't stay on topic.....no offence to any one who has ADD)
Ah, but you miss the most important part of a good movie, it being enjoyable which Silent Hill very much was. It deviated from the story, no it was a different story, but still had the themes that make the game.
But I didn't think it was good, I felt it didn't capture the Theme at all! (Ok possible some of the the psycological themes, but they felt screwy
the basic message of the Movie is : Mother is basicly God! Children always love MOMMY!
Game: Everything in the game is Psycological, even when it involves seemingly mystical elements it is still the mind that causes the event in motion, ever monster you face is a reflection of the mind....down to a monster in the first game that reflected something the cute little god bearing girl decided was awesome from the book "The Lost World" also the concept of love is a lot deeper in Silent Hill games then the movie)
MOvie Version of Love: I'm a little girl, with kicka** power....but watch as I spare mommy, because I wuv my mommy.
Game Version of Love: Love is a deep and complicated thing.
1st: Watch as a father figths for his daughter who is the only one who is keeping him sane after loseing his beloved wife, his deep love for her fare outwaying her "true" mothers love which is nonexistence thus showing how Love and family is not a matter of genetics but a matter of feeling. Even after he learns of his daughter true powers and darker existence he still accepts her as his daughetr and thus in essance gets his daughhter back int he form of a baby only now as her true self, both her selves may no escape the pain they suffered due to the cult and the town of silent hill. (I dind't mind spoilering that since finding the first game is like finding a needle in a haystack....that's on fire!)
I won't list the other games but trust me Silent Hill is an awesome game with alot of themes, Love is surpriseingly often very important in some form, and it's only one of the themes. (Along with decay and BATHROOMS)
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As for Chrono Trigger, why does Marle get such a bad rap! I never understood that.
Marle is one of the driving forces in the game, but no one seems to care at all!
Examples:
Marle dissapears on Telepad
Marle disappears (mostlikely entitiy)
Marle and Crono go to the castle...leading to Crono's Trial, leading to the escape, leading to the gate to the future...
Then Marle presses the button the shows the day of Lavos...then plants the idea of changeing history into everyone head....hmmmmm
INfatc it was "changeing history by saving Marle form non-existence" tha showed them they COULD CHANGE HISTORY!
One could say the entity is useing Marle as a guiding light, a way of ensureing that they know of the future.
And when alls said and done she's still pretty kicka**
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Marle was a bit of a ditz, didn't have very powerful attack magic or a tech that healed the entire party (Cure 2 is just... more powerful? Bwuh?) and the people that do fanworks tend to be extra nerdy, and as such typically go for the more nerdy Lucca type... Also, Marle did have some bitchy idiot moments.
I kind of think of it this way,
Lucca: Sorry for putting you through all that, Marle...
Marle: Are you joking? That's the most fun I've had in months!
Lucca: ...Wait, you consider disappearing from existence and nearly destroying time FUN?
Marle: You'd think that would say something interesting about my life experiences, outlook on life, or my general character, but it's easier to assume I'm just stupid.
Lucca: Haha, maybe YOU should be wearing this helmet!
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Marle was a bit of a ditz, didn't have very powerful attack magic or a tech that healed the entire party (Cure 2 is just... more powerful? Bwuh?) and the people that do fanworks tend to be extra nerdy, and as such typically go for the more nerdy Lucca type... Also, Marle did have some bitchy idiot moments.
I kind of think of it this way,
Lucca: Sorry for putting you through all that, Marle...
Marle: Are you joking? That's the most fun I've had in months!
Lucca: ...Wait, you consider disappearing from existence and nearly destroying time FUN?
Marle: You'd think that would say something interesting about my life experiences, outlook on life, or my general character, but it's easier to assume I'm just stupid.
Lucca: Haha, maybe YOU should be wearing this helmet!
Ok maybe not powerful (note: I always used Lucca, Marle, and Magus...so for me yes she was quite powerful hehehehehe)
I admit she had her "ditz moments" but if you think out it, there all more like "naive moments" her father obviously has tried to force her to live a sheltered life. Actully I like every character for some reason or another, I'm just the kinda person who loves useing magics users and personally liked Marle and feel she gets a bad rap.
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She was kept from society for a long time. You can't blame her for that! The king is stressed and why do you think this is? He DOES happen to have the issue of the Chancellor... I'm guessing it's moreso the blame of Yakra. You can notice when he's eliminated Marle's personality changes in ways for the better.
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She was kept from society for a long time. You can't blame her for that! The king is stressed and why do you think this is? He DOES happen to have the issue of the Chancellor... I'm guessing it's moreso the blame of Yakra. You can notice when he's eliminated Marle's personality changes in ways for the better.
Marle reminds me of the girl from that movie Enchanted.
Like how she went all nutso crazy the first time she actually was angry.
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Mortal Kombat wasn't good...not even the first one (not to mention the extra horrible sequels & television series). Lu Kang not ONCE throws a fireball...wtf is up w/that BS? Surely not as bad as the Van Dam Street Fighter movie, but it was a close race...Fighting game movies especially need to stay in the realm of anime it seems.
As for Marle (why the awkward jump in subject, Mikey?)...She's a singular healer with one of the weakest Magic attacks (not to mention weakest physical attack). Supposedly she makes up for it with Haste, but I've never bought that (Haste Helms on 3 good characters>Marle casting haste on two good characters & wasting space with herself). Her character is ok for a princess character, not as annoying as most that follow that cliché, and her yelling at the guards during her father's Rainbow Shell trial was priceless, but overall, I found her one of the most bland.
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Mortal Kombat wasn't good...not even the first one (not to mention the extra horrible sequels & television series). Lu Kang not ONCE throws a fireball...wtf is up w/that BS? Surely not as bad as the Van Dam Street Fighter movie, but it was a close race...Fighting game movies especially need to stay in the realm of anime it seems.
As for Marle (why the awkward jump in subject, Mikey?)...She's a singular healer with one of the weakest Magic attacks (not to mention weakest physical attack). Supposedly she makes up for it with Haste, but I've never bought that (Haste Helms on 3 good characters>Marle casting haste on two good characters & wasting space with herself). Her character is ok for a princess character, not as annoying as most that follow that cliché, and her yelling at the guards during her father's Rainbow Shell trial was priceless, but overall, I found her one of the most bland.
(Hehehehe I didn't want us to get to far off the original subject...about Magus so I tried to gravitate towards Chrono Trigger...hehehe feel free to ignore it hehehehe)
And I agree Mortal Kombat movies wasn't good and neither was Street Fighter movies. I'm not big on 2d fighting games though. I'm just happy they never made a Darkstalkers movie (does anyone know about that horrible American show they made....if you have never seen it I have one thing to say: LUCKY!). Although I would love to see a girl in a little red riding offite blow stuff up and shoot people....it would be funny(something is deeply wrong with me) ^^ (BB Hood = funny evil human, so evil that weaker Darkstalker tremble at this adorible blondes feet...then get killed!) but it wouldn't be worth it.
Reasons:
1: The way we depict vampire now-a-days men Demitri would *shiver* let's not dweal to deep into that.
2: Eveyones fav succubi would be turned into sexy villians (Morrigan Aensland is not a villain. Lilith isn't either. But being as they are both sexy demoness: Lilith is part of Morrigan, but in the movie they would proble get turned into S&M Queens or something.)
3: I wonder who they would try to romanticly pair....either way, creepy.
4: I fear what they will do to every character..... most of all Felicia who is one of the better known characters in the game, will everyones fav ex-singing dance now Nun Cat Girl be turned into a sexy Love intrest, I pray not)
Luckly such a travisty will never happen because Darkstalkers....well actully I see no reason why it couldn't happen...infact based on Hollywoods rate of making bad movies based off of ANime,Games, ext. it shold take long...I'm Scared.
Is there a post for Movie You pary Hollywood never makes, becuase is not I think we need one to blow off the stress of realiseing everything we ever loved (and hated) will be ruined by Hollywood at some point
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I kind of liked the Darkstalkers cartoon...minus the kid or whoever it was that I recall...But there has been a couple Darkstalkers anime...
2: Eveyones fav succubi would be turned into sexy villians (Morrigan Aensland is not a villain. Lilith isn't either. But being as they are both sexy demoness: Lilith is part of Morrigan, but in the movie they would proble get turned into S&M Queens or something.)
(http://www.thefinalfantasy.com/forums/members/v_translanka-albums-random-dorkitude-picture573-darkstalkers-morrigan-lilith-hanging-out.gif)
Yeah, because they're not into S&M at all...>_>
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No, I don't think there is a thread like that unless it's in the recent hour or so. But it seems every game that can have success with a movie they either do everything that could ruin it, or they just don't do it. Metroid for one. Me and my friends have worked for ages and have come up with a script that could implement into a Metroid movie and work very well. if WE could figure it out, there may be about a 1% chance Hollywood can as well. Same goes for Zelda(although that one is more complicated than metroid, but we've also got that covered)doubt hollywood can figure that one though...
Super Mario Bros had a massive chance of being great. So what did they do? Instead of Peach let's use daisy. Let's also change their costumes entirely! Goombas and Koopas, yeah koopas are good but Goombas... who cares if they are the most recognizable mario villain besides Bowser? Take them out. The Koopas will all be 9 ft men in business suits with buzz cuts that are gelled back. And let's not forget Bowser! instead of a giant dragon turtle dinosaur thing, he'll be a big time business man kind of character! And so many other changes that would destroy mario's chances of ever having a good movie...
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I kind of liked the Darkstalkers cartoon...minus the kid or whoever it was that I recall...But there has been a couple Darkstalkers anime...
2: Eveyones fav succubi would be turned into sexy villians (Morrigan Aensland is not a villain. Lilith isn't either. But being as they are both sexy demoness: Lilith is part of Morrigan, but in the movie they would proble get turned into S&M Queens or something.)
(http://www.thefinalfantasy.com/forums/members/v_translanka-albums-random-dorkitude-picture573-darkstalkers-morrigan-lilith-hanging-out.gif)
Yeah, because they're not into S&M at all...>_>
Hehehehe, yes but it's not central to their characters (except Lilith has some suggestive and violent things she says.) In the Hollywood version Sex and S&M would be all there is to them.
Wait I dn't remember seeing that morgain pose before, did you make it (I mean she does that pose, but the offite looks diffrent,also it's just one picture which seems add. Funny though....Morrigan is actully kindly allowed Lilith to become one with her again in her ending for the 3rd game, in Liliths ending...lilith is somewhat less lucky and doesn't reach Morrigan in time...sad huh.). Then again I haven't play Darkstalker in awhile.
Also that cartoon derailed every character in the game.
I've seen some of one of the Animes. It wasn't bad.
No, I don't think there is a thread like that unless it's in the recent hour or so. But it seems every game that can have success with a movie they either do everything that could ruin it, or they just don't do it. Metroid for one. Me and my friends have worked for ages and have come up with a script that could implement into a Metroid movie and work very well. if WE could figure it out, there may be about a 1% chance Hollywood can as well. Same goes for Zelda(although that one is more complicated than metroid, but we've also got that covered)doubt hollywood can figure that one though...
Super Mario Bros had a massive chance of being great. So what did they do? Instead of Peach let's use daisy. Let's also change their costumes entirely! Goombas and Koopas, yeah koopas are good but Goombas... who cares if they are the most recognizable mario villain besides Bowser? Take them out. The Koopas will all be 9 ft men in business suits with buzz cuts that are gelled back. And let's not forget Bowser! instead of a giant dragon turtle dinosaur thing, he'll be a big time business man kind of character! And so many other changes that would destroy mario's chances of ever having a good movie...
Metroid Movie, are you serious, Hollywood would tear Samus to peices quicker then you can say "Samus is Blonde!". Seriosuly that would be the first to go, since no one ever takes a blonde seriously in an action role (if you can argue this list me at least 10 blonde female action movie heros). Also there no Male Love Intrest which Hollywood would rectify asap. Hell I wouldn't be shocked if they completely threw her off character and made the guy the main character.
Exec: Hmmmmm Metroid is about what.
Guy Pitching the Idea: A kickass bounty hunter named Samus Aran who fights Space Pirates and sometimes Metroids which are energy draining Jellyfish things.
Exec: I see....Samus hu HE sounds awesome! Make it!
G.P.T.I: Um Samus is a girl!
Exec: What! That's insane! Wait no it works, we'll up the sexy, an attractive Brunette Action girl in ripped up clothes.
G.P.T.I: Um Samus wears clunky body armor and I think she's blonde.
Exec: This will never work, next you'll say there no male love intrest!
G.P.T.I: There's no love intrest.
Exec: Eh the fans are stupid, as long as it has the name they'll flock to see it.
If they attempt Zelda I will be the first person readying weapons to kill the people who came up with the dumb idea to do this.
I think people could learn from SMB movie. What they can learn? Stop making movies from Video games!
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That sprite of them is from CvSNK2...and, yeah, a Metroid movie wouldn't work since most of it is just her alone for entire games just rooting around for crap...So they'd just turn it into some kind of lame ass Tombraider set in space.
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That's why i say there is only a chance of them figuring it out. For my group it took about 18 people to figure out a working script. We'd make the movie except, Samus' environment would be hard to make on a low budget. Her suit would also be hard to make, and the aliens... it'd be hard in general.
And Zelda that one I can just explain easily although Hollywood could never come up with it, it's always a different Link so why not have the main character NOT be Link but instead a messenger of sorts to deliver the costume and such to the actual Link whom has vanished and no one can find him, right as Ganon is awakening. That's the simple explanation but we've dwelled deeper into it than that. It'd have to be a trilogy to work though...
And Super Mario Bros I'm thinking was made by the one person in the world who's never heard of it.
I've seen plenty of good fan trailer ideas on Youtube and they look like they'd be great, especially the Metal Gear Solid one and one of Pacman.
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Regarding Marle's sheltered life, there's also the issue of the late Queen Aliza. It's very likely that after she died, the king either A): felt it was his fault and vowed not to let the same happen to Nadia, or B): vowed to raise Nadia for the both of them, undertaking and overshooting a responsibility he dare not fail. He still sees a little of his wife in Nadia's eyes, and he doesn't want to lose that.
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Maybe the king sees his wife in his daughter because they look almost like clones, just different hair styles.
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Ah, we never saw Aliza. She might not look as much like Nadia as Leene does.
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Don't we see her sprite in the explanation Lucca gives as to her disappearance? There's obviously some inbreeding going on in the Guardia family line...
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Don't we see her sprite in the explanation Lucca gives as to her disappearance? There's obviously some inbreeding going on in the Guardia family line...
Inbreeding is quite commen in Royal Families from what I've seen, normally cousins. Brother and Sister was of course much less commen, but depending on the place not unheard of. Typically cousins though sometimes distent...sometimes not. It is perfectly logical and acceptable to think that The King and Queen are cousins. (I doubt they are Brother and Sister so hehehehe) and Queen Leene may have been Cousins with the king of 600AD.
Eitherway I think the King trying to protect Nadia/Marle because of her mothers death, combined with her royal responibilites which she was mostlikly reminded of alot made Marle grow into a naive,confused, and rebelious young women thus being counterproductive to the kings original desire to keep her safe from harm and making Marle come off as a Ditz even when she wasn't being one.
It's tragic, if you ask me because she's a princess when she's trusting she a Naive, when she doesn't understand something that she wouldn't understand unless she was Lucca or Robo she's a ditz or stupid, when she sweet she sappy, when she sad she's whiny, and when she's angery she's being spoiled and unreasanable.
Anyone else this would make them a well fleashed out person, but not Marle, no she's a Princess so her emotinal and given depth it gets turned into a sterotypical whiny girl even though all her reactions are perfectly explainable and perfectly in character.
I always felt like she was a breath of freash air compared to some princesses of the era (and now) who are damsels in distress or if they are given a personality it whiney and bratish and just trying to escape the couped up life of luxery, without ever giveing a logical reason on why they would want to...thus makng them seem even more spoiled!
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A damsel in distress can't handle the bad guy by herself. I'm not so sure if she really could keep the title that's she's been labeled with cause she can fight off the bad guys by herself... She might not be as strong as the rest of the team but she can still hold her own.
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No, that was a series of the same sprite repeated over and over with a slight palette swap. I mean come on, you don't really think Taban and all those other mustache guys all look the same do you? The hat that shades his eyes, man! That's Taban!
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I'm pretty sure it's said in the script that Marle looks like her mother...
[Soldier]
Princess Nadia's a dead ringer for
her mother. That's why the King's so
strict with her.
Hmm! And the Retranslation...
[Soldier]
Marledia-sama is like a living copy of her mother
Ariche-sama. That's probably exactly why the
King is so hard on her.
...NO MORE INCEST JOKES!
And Marle never really struck me as the horribly sheltered and naive princess type, since she passes herself off as a normal girl with ease. She's never "Oh, what is this peasant thing you call 'work'?" and most of the time is just curious and eager to learn, at least to my knowledge... The closest thing to naivety I can think of is her idea that when things suck they should be changed, whether they be death or the apocalypse... and really, that seems more awesomely badass than idiotic, sequel "karmic" death aside.
As for her dad... I think he might have overcompensated on the lack of feminine role models in Marle's life by enforcing the more stereotypical behavior, or rather, putting her in the hands of trained professionals because he knew he couldn't handle it. It's also probably partially him being overprotective, but who can say for sure?
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I'm pretty sure it's said in the script that Marle looks like her mother...
[Soldier]
Princess Nadia's a dead ringer for
her mother. That's why the King's so
strict with her.
Hmm! And the Retranslation...
[Soldier]
Marledia-sama is like a living copy of her mother
Ariche-sama. That's probably exactly why the
King is so hard on her.
...NO MORE INCEST JOKES!
I wasn't making incest jokes, it was very commen for royaltiy to marry there cusions, it doesn't always happen but it was rather commen.
And Marle never really struck me as the horribly sheltered and naive princess type, since she passes herself off as a normal girl with ease. She's never "Oh, what is this peasant thing you call 'work'?" and most of the time is just curious and eager to learn, at least to my knowledge... The closest thing to naivety I can think of is her idea that when things suck they should be changed, whether they be death or the apocalypse... and really, that seems more awesomely badass than idiotic, sequel "karmic" death aside.
As for her dad... I think he might have overcompensated on the lack of feminine role models in Marle's life by enforcing the more stereotypical behavior, or rather, putting her in the hands of trained professionals because he knew he couldn't handle it. It's also probably partially him being overprotective, but who can say for sure?
I noticed that I was using naive wrong, but her personality does have to do with being over sheltered. She's mostlikly snuck out before, thus she's had time to perfect the Normal Girl act. The more proper word would be idealistic then naive when it comes to changeing things. I never once said she was idiotic, I said the only time she doesn't know something is when there is logically no way should could know. Never said she didn't understand "work". He refused to let her go to the fair then had the boy she was with arrested without listening to her side of the story....sound like an Over protective father to me. :)
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I was making an incest joke based on that fact that Mikey over-explained (explanations make jokes funnier! V_V)...but then you made the biggest one of all, maggie...
I'm pretty sure it's said in the script that Marle looks like her mother...
[Soldier]
Princess Nadia's a dead ringer for
her mother. That's why the King's so
strict with her.
Hmm! And the Retranslation...
[Soldier]
Marledia-sama is like a living copy of her mother
Ariche-sama. That's probably exactly why the
King is so hard on her.
nyuck nyuck nyuck
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Mphf...mmmm. hmhm bwhahahahaha....ok maybe it's not that funny, but still.
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I didn't even realise that inbreeding comment was a joke though....I think there something wrong with me.
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They said that of Nadia and Aliza? Ah well. *shrugs*
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You guys all forgot that if you are found "not guilty" the king sentences Chrono to death against the rules anyways so it doesn't matter what you do. All I know is I hate her father with a passion cause of not allowing a fair trail, EVERY time I see that scene for some reason I feel sympath towards them, Marle and Chrono. Don't forget that Lucca helped out in that place.
May Lucca, Chorno and Marle rest in peace, RIP.
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Actually, no...he isn't sentenced to death if he's not found guilty...He's sentenced to a few days in prison for running off with the princess...It's the Chancellor who comes into the prison to kill him anyways.
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I'm really getting tired of everyone saying that magus is the best character in either of the Chrono games.
I'm really getting tired of how out of every 5 CT fanfics I read, at least 3 center around him.
Am I really the only one who isn't freaking obsessed with Magus? I mean, come on! Sure, he's cool and all, and he's Schala's little brother, but in the end he's just BORING. He has very little Personal Development, and he always acts all stuck up, like he's better than everyone else.
AND HIS HAIR IS PURPLE >:U
Not sure if the conversation has deviated at this point, but I'll address the original question.
I think there are many reasons Magus comes off as "so cool."
For one, he's built up from near the start of the game to be a momentus figure. Most of the bosses in the game you're introduced to moments before fighting them, but Magus gets at least a quarter of the game devoted to fighting him. not to mention his dungeon, which is still one of the coolest in video game history, and his three henchmen, who have enough personality to cure cancer.
Then you get to him only to discover a massive plot twist, so he gets that attributed to him as well. Which brings me to point number two... plot twists. Magus is surrounded by them. His role as the prophet, his role as Schala's brother and the Queen's son...
He's also the most single minded character in the entire game. His entire will is bent on revenge, and he doesn't deviate from that course for any reason (except to occasionally turn someone into a frog). He has no loyalties beyond those that will help him reach and defeat Lavos. Even defeating him, which leads him to offer advice on how to get Crono back, seems to be a selfish act: after himself, he figures Crono has the best chance of defeating Lavos. Along with this, I have to disagree that he's not developed. In fact, aside from Frog, he's given the most back history of all the characters. We get to see his dark relationship with his mother, his attachment to his sister... hell, we literally WITNESS his backstory.
Then, too, his future is left uncertain. Even Radical Dreamers doesn't really finish him, and he's only there in spirit in Chross. Of course, this is true of most of the Trigger characters, but it still adds to his appeal. That he's searching for Schala only makes him cooler, because we all love Schala (well, at least until she stopped dying her hair).
He's also rather innovative in a lot of ways. He was the "cool evil tall guy with long hair" long before there was a Vincent or a Sephiroth or an anime explosion in America. He's also one of the few villains in video game history which you can get on your party.
Lastly, his music rocks.
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It's odd how every newbie adds to this thread.
Yeah, my mind has changed since I made this thread. So, I one-hundred percent agree with you Zipp Dementia. and also, welcome to th Compendium.
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It's odd how you posted in EVERY thread when you were a newb, Tact!
Just messing! :D
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I was a rambunctious little youngster back then. (I'm disguisted by my grammar back then, too. Eheh.)
Good times.
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That was like four or five months ago. Maybe less...
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I joined in April. Four or five months can make a difference. I've grown a lot, mentally and personally, since then. The 'Pendjum is probably the best site I've ever happened upon.
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Four of five isn't that long in the grand scheme of things. (and by saying that I am lying.)
magus is da best because he is actually janus of zeal. and because of this.
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It's odd how every newbie adds to this thread.
Yeah, my mind has changed since I made this thread. So, I one-hundred percent agree with you Zipp Dementia. and also, welcome to th Compendium.
Ironically enough, I think the fact that "newbies" post to this thread is partial proof of your original complaint. "Someone contesting that Magus is cool?! No way, I've got to speak out on THIS issue!"
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Magus is awesome because everybody wants to be awesome, and he already is.
More specifically, emos, cool kids, and the U.S. Marine Corps alike can set aside their differences in agreeing that if Magus were real, he could kick ALL their asses at once.
Idea: I wonder if anybody's written a fanfic about Magus vs. 50 Magitek Soldiers from FFVI? THAT would be pure win.
Another idea: Magus looks like Vegeta from DBZ. Vegeta is a badass prince whose kingdom was destroyed when he was young. Magus is a badass prince whose kingdom was destroyed when he was young. Since Vegeta is badass, and Magus is badass, Magus = Vegeta. (Has this been discussed?) And THAT is why Magus is awesome.
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Another idea: Magus looks like Vegeta from DBZ. Vegeta is a badass prince whose kingdom was destroyed when he was young. Magus is a badass prince whose kingdom was destroyed when he was young. Since Vegeta is badass, and Magus is badass, Magus = Vegeta. (Has this been discussed?) And THAT is why Magus is awesome.
Yes, and I still think that sounds stupid. They barely look alike aside from the widow's peak & Toriyama's own stylistic approach. I think it's just as stupid & unfounded as the "Crono=Goku" thing.
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To be painfully honest, Toriyama's artwork is awful in my opinion. Aside from his characters being horribly deformed, too many of them share the same features in appearance: We've got the mean-looking square shaped eyes (Vegeta, Magus, every villain in DBZ, etc.) and the oval shaped ones (right many of his female characters and some of the protagonist males); the widow's peak and the large curly tufts that spike at the ends; the pointy nose and the ones in which the nostrils are apparent (which is a rarity, and that's a bad thing). Vegeta's face indeed looks much like Magus' face, to me, because both faces share many of those facial palettes. It seems as if he simply mixes and matches these features when creating his characters in right many cases, so it's a little senseless to argue that the proposed similarities between Toriyama's designs are unfounded when so many people are noticing them.
As for Magus himself, I'm quite intrigued by his character and personality. Design and appearance, not so much.
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Yes, and I still think that sounds stupid. They barely look alike aside from the widow's peak & Toriyama's own stylistic approach. I think it's just as stupid & unfounded as the "Crono=Goku" thing.
I wasn't completely serious, but the major difference from the neck up is the hairstyle.
And I also agree with Celestial Insanity that Magus' personality/character is his defining point, and that (plus his backstory) is the real reason he stands out. If someone else had done the artwork, the game would not have been too much different in the areas where it counts. Namely, Zeal.
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I actually really dig the Toriyama designs when they seemed to have his old Dragon Ball personality to them, I dislike the PSX redesigns that look too DBZ DBZ HURR DURR. Plus they made Magus's thighs fatter and his codpiece smaller.
Magus's "generic" demonic RPG warlord design works with his story, too.
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Plus they made Magus's thighs fatter and his codpiece smaller.
No wonder the guy never smiles.
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I think to answer the topic question: Yes Magus is really all that cool.
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Well said, sir.
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Plus they made Magus's thighs fatter and his codpiece smaller.
No wonder the guy never smiles.
Actually he seemed rather pleased in the art, too.
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I think to answer the topic question: Yes Magus is really all that cool.
meh, not really.
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I think to answer the topic question: Yes Magus is really all that cool.
meh, not really.
Well to me he was. The rest of the characters were pretty bland besides Frog. Crono doesn't even talk for me Magus and Frog made the game.
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Yes Magus is really all that cool.
Quoted for emphasis. ;)
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Hmm yeah Magus is definitely that cool.
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I don't mean to be rude but i don't think he is cool . I mean he is a pointy eared guy in a cape and sword. doesn't that sound like every other character in rpg games i mean hes like marth and link
Wrong...thus nullifying everything else you say as meaningless. Not to mention, a vague (wrong) description of a character does not a character make.
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Are you confusing him with Crono or something...? Because you keep making the same mistake...>_>
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Sublime, I'm going to link to a pic of the Magus. You're going to tell me if the thing he is holding is a sword or not.
This is the picture. (http://www.geocities.com/linkerdrich/magus.jpg)
Is that a sword or no?
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Uh...no, that's not a sword...>_>
If you had said spear, you would have been closer, but no, that's a scythe. Quite a different weapon from a sword, really...
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I like to call it a sword stick.
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No, you see, a sword stick IS a spear...If you want to dumb down scythe it'd be, like...curvy sideways sword stick or something...impotent spear?
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No, you see, a sword stick IS a spear...If you want to dumb down scythe it'd be, like...curvy sideways sword stick or something...impotent spear?
Touché, that's actually a funny way to describe a scythe.
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Or maybe a sickle stick (omg, that's fun to say out loud! sounds like candy...sickle on a stick!)...sickle spear?
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I'm convinced it's a really big silly straw.
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It's Guile's stick thing with a sharp boomerang sellotaped onto the end.
...Sent back in time, of course.
What?
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Okay, I'm officially sorry I started the stupid names for a scythe thing...Let's put it to rest.
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Magus has a floaty dash. That's cool. Guile is clearly not Magus because he only has a floaty stand there but move.
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I think the only person here who honestly believes Guile is Magus is MagilsugaM...
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Magus can believe it's not butter, and he can eat just one. He still checks his closet every night for Vegeta on mondays and wednesdays, and C.A.T.S on Tuesdays and Thursdays. I'd be scared too if I had to live with all that.
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Guile was intended to be Magus, then they ditched that and have him be his own person, and the latest story, while it works with his old lines, is still... kinda... it just doesn't groove right with me.
I'm a Magil girl forever!
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Magus has a red cape in FMV's/artwork but a blue one on his sprites...... Hmmmmm.......
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I think the only person here who honestly believes Guile is Magus is MagilsugaM...
Who knows?
Janus didn't have pointy ears. And why the hell Magus has then. Is he a demon or something?
I wonder why he cannot be.
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Well, there might be some possibilities logically.
But, that would be a big joke if it's officially announced, since they have confirmed Janus was removed from CC.
lol
Magus has a red cape in FMV's/artwork but a blue one on his sprites...... Hmmmmm.......
Think about Tina from FFVI, who has blond hair in CG but blue hair in game.
Also, I don't get why Schala has blond hair in CC...
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I think his cape is red in Radical Dreamers, too.
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I think his cape is red in Radical Dreamers, too.
Well, it is black or dark blue.
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He also has gold pants in some of the Toriyama artwork...He's got a wardrobe, go figure! The pointy ears could be an illusion to fit in better with the Mystics or a result of his delving into the dark arts...maybe being around Mystics just rubs off on ya! :lol:
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Think about Tina from FFVI, who has blond hair in CG but blue hair in game.
Terra? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIHy8Q-Z6HE
Terra has green hair in cg and game. Celes has blond hair and has moments where she looks alot like Terra.
I think in regard to Magus, he probably fell prey to the same thing that happened to Breath of Fire 3, art gets advertised on one channel, and sprites are based off a different and sometimes changes are made without everyone getting told. Or the team changed some colors for esthetics. Colors and appearances are pretty important, and I'd say that the switch to purple was a contrasting change to his appearance alterations. My guess is they didn't want first time players to know that Janus is Magus, while the purple cloak, which signifies royalty, still hints at it. Additionally, his haggard appearance is either a ruse, (In Rd he doesn't have so rough an appearance) or its designed to demonstrate the 'darkness he survived' in his vengeance against Lavos.
As far as being cool goes, I'd say one of the interesting things he has going for him is he has the traits to be a protagonist, even an anti-hero, and yet he isn't the main character. He's a story element, but its not his story, which I think in turn places a different emphasis on how players perceive him. I'd say its a similar element utilized by Auron has in FFX
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Terra has green hair in cg and game. Celes has blond hair and has moments where she looks alot like Terra.
lol, I just can't tell whether that's light green or blond, but that is surely different from pure green.
Well, Terra is blond in Yoshitaka Amano's artwork.
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Well, Terra is blond in Yoshitaka Amano's artwork.
http://www.rpgamer.com/games/ff/ff6/graphics/people/twry.jpg
I could scan my booklet, but rpg gamer works just fine – still green. The green is lighter in different pictures and lighting, but Tina/Terra is green.
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He also has gold pants in some of the Toriyama artwork...He's got a wardrobe, go figure! The pointy ears could be an illusion to fit in better with the Mystics or a result of his delving into the dark arts...maybe being around Mystics just rubs off on ya! :lol:
...Gold pants? You don't mean his codpiece do you? I've never seen Magus with clothes of any yellow tint covering his legs. EDIT Okay I see it now. Ironically, it's in the very image I was thinking of before: Him jumping down to attack Frog, Crono and Lucca in what is either Medina (what the hell!?) Or the roof of his castle (why is there rock up here? God dammit Toriyama, can't you try to be a little more consistent with the game? MARLE DOESN'T HAVE FIRE MAGIC FIX THE BOXART.)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/69/Chrono_Trigger_Magus_battle_artwork.PNG
Okay yah nevermind what was here before he does indeed have a blue cape in RD... okay
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Well, Terra is blond in Yoshitaka Amano's artwork.
http://www.rpgamer.com/games/ff/ff6/graphics/people/twry.jpg
I could scan my booklet, but rpg gamer works just fine – still green. The green is lighter in different pictures and lighting, but Tina/Terra is green.
Well, while that picture is of horrendous quality, I'd still call it blonde over green...especially of the green the sprite has...And, no...Various pics of her from Amano clearly use blonde hair...Hell, her design in Dissidia (though she has a green hair variant costume) uses her original blonde hair as well.
(http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/thumb/e/e9/Terra-dissidia.jpg/356px-Terra-dissidia.jpg)
(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/1/1d/TerraRender.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g305/k_core/Ms%20FF%202006/terraedit.jpg)
(http://pds7.egloos.com/pds/200712/23/82/e0015282_476d77ca235ad.jpg)
(http://www3.telus.net/public/mehwulfe/thumbs/blog-amano-ffvi-tina.jpg)
Okay I see it now. Ironically, it's in the very image I was thinking of before: Him jumping down to attack Frog, Crono and Lucca in what is either Medina (what the hell!?) Or the roof of his castle (why is there rock up here? God dammit Toriyama, can't you try to be a little more consistent with the game? MARLE DOESN'T HAVE FIRE MAGIC FIX THE BOXART.)
Yeah! And they never wear that winter gear either! People in video games shouldn't own more clothes than their sprites show, dammit! Oh, wait a minute! Arc Impulse (clearly being portrayed in the box art) & Ice 1 both look like fire? Damn, that Marle's crafty with the Magic...:lol: (see that? that's me laughing at you people who keep bringing up the box art)
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Well, while that picture is of horrendous quality, I'd still call it blonde over green...especially of the green the sprite has...And, no...Various pics of her from Amano clearly use blonde hair...Hell, her design in Dissidia (though she has a green hair variant costume) uses her original blonde hair as well.
I did check the wiki entry on her, and it states she was indeed intended to be blonde. Kindof interested that several of the pictures use shades of brown/tan for her hair. The concept art for Dissidia is clearly blonde, but the ingame there are almost all shades of brown. Personally, I think a l pale green hue suits her better than blonde.
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Wow, this went from a Janus discussion to a Tina discussion! I never thought THAT would happen!
Ah, Dissidia looks like fun...
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Maybe Janus secretly likes Tina. Who knows?
Speaking of Magus, think we ought to have a thread dedicated to how cool he is? That'd be neat. Here's laughing at the guy who commented on how many newbies come straight to this topic. Lots of people join boards just for this one character. (excellent observation, by the way)
And in answer to the topic's title, hell yeah! He is the only boss-turned-PC I know of that you can hate so passionately one chapter, and love so much the next. What makes him cool and appealing is not what makes you like him or hate him, a villain or hero, but the fact that you can argue the point and both sides are strong and valid.
Aesthetically he might be a bit cliche, but it is still executed well. Square took what we all know as the classic, demonic villain, and twisted it into something that defied our expectations of the stereotype. Why would this flat, grim reaper wannabe want to join the good guys? Oh, you mean he's not out to destroy the world and suck out our souls? And he's helping us get our leader back? Now that's cool.
Then, of course, there's his theme song. Some of the best remixes I've heard have come off of this theme song.
And if you need any more evidence, just go check out SooperKreep's depiction of him over in the Submissions section :wink:
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Magus is the best character in Chrono Trigger. I just love how you are absolutely convinced for a good portion of the game that he is responsible for the creation of Lavos, only to fight him and discover that he was only trying to awaken Lavos. When Lavos finally appears, he reveals himself to be the "Prophet" and tries to destroy Lavos himself. Definitely the biggest plot twist in the game, to find out that that this seemingly all-powerful homicidal maniac actually has the same goals as the good guys -- not just to save the world, but to avenge the kingdom and the people he loved as Janus, the little boy with the purple cat. It was also interesting to note that Janus, as a child, begs the Prophet not to kill your party. I wonder if that affected Magus's own feelings towards them? Ah, well. Regardless, Magus is a well-defined character and among the best in gaming history.
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Speaking of Magus, think we ought to have a thread dedicated to how cool he is? That'd be neat. Here's laughing at the guy who commented on how many newbies come straight to this topic. Lots of people join boards just for this one character. (excellent observation, by the way)
I thought that's what this thread was...Hardly anybody but Tact (thread creator...and really he was just whining about how the other characters get pushed to the side by Magus' sheer amount of awesome) has really said anything about Magus actually not being cool...
It was also interesting to note that Janus, as a child, begs the Prophet not to kill your party. I wonder if that affected Magus's own feelings towards them? Ah, well. Regardless, Magus is a well-defined character and among the best in gaming history.
What? No he didn't...and anyways, it wouldn't effect our Magus anyways...He comes from the original, Keystone, timeline...the Janus we see (besides in Magus' flashback) is in the new K-2 timeline...
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Magus is the best character in Chrono Trigger. I just love how you are absolutely convinced for a good portion of the game that he is responsible for the creation of Lavos, only to fight him and discover that he was only trying to awaken Lavos. When Lavos finally appears, he reveals himself to be the "Prophet" and tries to destroy Lavos himself. Definitely the biggest plot twist in the game, to find out that that this seemingly all-powerful homicidal maniac actually has the same goals as the good guys -- not just to save the world, but to avenge the kingdom and the people he loved as Janus, the little boy with the purple cat. It was also interesting to note that Janus, as a child, begs the Prophet not to kill your party. I wonder if that affected Magus's own feelings towards them? Ah, well. Regardless, Magus is a well-defined character and among the best in gaming history.
Really? I never thought his motives were benevolent. I always just thought he was a selfish bastard.
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What? No he didn't...and anyways, it wouldn't effect our Magus anyways...He comes from the original, Keystone, timeline...the Janus we see (besides in Magus' flashback) is in the new K-2 timeline...
Yes, he did. Play it again. Crono and co. are imprisoned when Schala and Janus appear to release them. Schala tells them about Melchior, and the Prophet comes in and threatens to kill them for meddling. Both Schala AND Janus defend them, and that's why the Prophet spares their lives. And what the shit? "Keystone"? "New K-2 timeline"? Last time I checked going into the past and changing shit around = changing the future. Hence why Queen Leene being kidnapped in the Middle Ages nearly ended Marle's existence, and why saving her brought Marle back. Not to mention everything involving Yakra/the Chancellor, the Sun Stone, the Rainbow Shell, the forest, etc.
Really? I never thought his motives were benevolent. I always just thought he was a selfish bastard.
Which is understandable, but the fact that Magus displays compassion for Schala both while in disguise as the Prophet and after means that he isn't completely blinded by his quest for vengeance. Talk to him after he is defeated by Lavos and before Crono is killed -- his only concern is if Schala is alright, even while knowing that he'll probably be killed. And after Lavos is defeated, Magus doesn't go back to the way he was in the Middle Ages. Instead, Magus tries desperately to find her and save her from Dream Devourer, risking his life in the process. These are not the actions of a selfish bastard.
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And after he discovers that nothing he can do will save her, he wipes his heart, mind, and soul blank. He then finds himself in a forest with no memory. It was then theorized here on the Compendium that he may have become Guile.
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I think in that moment Magus finally realized just how corrupted he's become. Schala basically told him that because he relies on nothing but strength, he can't save her regardless of whether or not he is the most powerful being alive. We all know this to be true because defeating Time Devourer is impossible without the Chrono Cross even if you deplete it of all its HP. Magus no doubt accepted this fact and wished to leave every part of him behind to give birth to something "new", which Dream Devourer gladly accepted. It does feast on thoughts, dreams, and memories, after all, and Lavos seems to have an affinity for the powerful Zeal family. Think about it: first he uses the Queen, then Schala, and it becomes the Dream Devourer. This leaves only Magus, who has essentially "died" (which explains why Frog's curse was broken). The very essence of Magus theoretically could have facilitated the creature's evolution. Of course, I have no evidence of this, however it is curious that the Dream Devourer somehow transforms into the Time Devourer. It's interesting to ponder.
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This leaves only Magus, who has essentially "died" (which explains why Frog's curse was broken).
Yeah, I always wonder how could his curse be undone. In a certain ending, Marle kisses Frog. Although that is only a joke, but fit the fact he's cured quite well.
But if you kill Magus in game instead of let him join in, he will say if he's dead, Frog's curse will be undone. Maybe that's not an immediate effect, because Fog is still...a frog after Magus's death.
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I guess the curse died completely with Lavos, in the form of Magus resting in peace since Zeal Kingdom had finally been avenged. That was his driving force when he cursed Glenn into Frog, and so with that desire satisfied, the curse broke.
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Yeah I just assumed that Magus just lifted the curse after it was all said and done.
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In canon, that would be valid. I was talking about why Frog's curse didn't break right when Magus died at North Cape.
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Couldn't resist.
Magus has many things going for him. From the beginning of the game he was hyped up to be your nemesis. It was the biggest threat to the kingdom and the battle was still being talked about in 1000ad. The whole setup was done perfectly. You enter his castle striking countless enemies down, felling his generals at your blade. Not only did he invade your kingdom, not only did he turn a valued ally into a lowly frog, but he created Lavos!! (As far as you knew at the time) And thereby he's the destroyer of your future. You're out to KILL him.
But then, like others have said, you start witnessing his story. You experience the life that he was living and start to recognize and understand how he became that way. It was learning that there was a purpose underneath it all. And that's what made his offer to join you so utterly awesome. He's a tragic figure with infinite resolve. He lost his childhood, he pretty much lost his sister twice, yet he's still focused and determined.
He also wields a scythe, is a magical juggernaut and he floats!
Yes, Magus is really all that cool.
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I think Frog's curse lifts because the Gates close...So since Magus isn't a part of Glenn's timeline, not only is he essentially dead in regards to both Glenn & all of 600AD, but possibly his Magic doesn't effect Frog in that way without access from one to the other by way of the Gates...
What? No he didn't...and anyways, it wouldn't effect our Magus anyways...He comes from the original, Keystone, timeline...the Janus we see (besides in Magus' flashback) is in the new K-2 timeline...
Yes, he did. Play it again. Crono and co. are imprisoned when Schala and Janus appear to release them. Schala tells them about Melchior, and the Prophet comes in and threatens to kill them for meddling. Both Schala AND Janus defend them, and that's why the Prophet spares their lives.
You said he begs...He does not beg...I'm fairly sure he doesn't even have any real lines against Magus...And I think that he only reacts when it looks like Magus is acting against Schala...
And what the shit? "Keystone"? "New K-2 timeline"? Last time I checked going into the past and changing shit around = changing the future. Hence why Queen Leene being kidnapped in the Middle Ages nearly ended Marle's existence, and why saving her brought Marle back. Not to mention everything involving Yakra/the Chancellor, the Sun Stone, the Rainbow Shell, the forest, etc.
Keystone refers to the original timeline in which Lavos erupts in 1999AD & the Entity/Planet is fuct...K-2 (aka Keystone-2) refers to the new timeline we're a part of in CT in which Crono & Co. help the Entity by stopping Lavos. And, yes, changing things in the past changes the future, but you also have to take into consideration TTI. Thus, Magus would not be effected by the things that happen to Janus in the K-2 timeline.
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Hmm, I always thought of it as Janus just stepping in to help defend Schala (what the hell could he do, though?), but the secret sharing of her compassion angle is interesting, too... Kind of matches up with his seeming to care about how Lavos messed up life for everyone in the last battle, though he went back to his "me me me" thing pretty fast.
And I've made my stance on the new canon quite clear multiple times. Magil forever~
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You said he begs...He does not beg...I'm fairly sure he doesn't even have any real lines against Magus...And I think that he only reacts when it looks like Magus is acting against Schala...
My apologies if the literal definition happened to be slightly off. Hang me. In any case, I'm not about to argue over semantics. I'm merely pointing out the irony in that Janus sticking up for the people that Magus was trying to kill ends up saving their lives, plain and simple.
Keystone refers to the original timeline in which Lavos erupts in 1999AD & the Entity/Planet is fuct...K-2 (aka Keystone-2) refers to the new timeline we're a part of in CT in which Crono & Co. help the Entity by stopping Lavos. And, yes, changing things in the past changes the future, but you also have to take into consideration TTI. Thus, Magus would not be effected by the things that happen to Janus in the K-2 timeline.
Uh, right. If you say so. I don't really care, I thought it was just something interesting to ponder. But if what you say is true then what the hell happened to the K-2 Janus? Does he still become Magus or what?
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Chalk up another one for the wizard: he's an excellent dancer.
(http://i511.photobucket.com/albums/s352/Festus_05/largemagusboogie.gif)
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Chalk up another one for the wizard: he's an excellent dancer.
(http://i511.photobucket.com/albums/s352/Festus_05/largemagusboogie.gif)
lol, awesome.
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You said he begs...He does not beg...I'm fairly sure he doesn't even have any real lines against Magus...And I think that he only reacts when it looks like Magus is acting against Schala...
My apologies if the literal definition happened to be slightly off.
No apologies necessary, just make yourself clearer next time. ;)
Keystone refers to the original timeline in which Lavos erupts in 1999AD & the Entity/Planet is fuct...K-2 (aka Keystone-2) refers to the new timeline we're a part of in CT in which Crono & Co. help the Entity by stopping Lavos. And, yes, changing things in the past changes the future, but you also have to take into consideration TTI. Thus, Magus would not be effected by the things that happen to Janus in the K-2 timeline.
Uh, right. If you say so. I don't really care...
Well then, if I may make a suggestion? Don't ask about something you don't care knowing about maybe? >_>
But if what you say is true then what the hell happened to the K-2 Janus? Does he still become Magus or what?
He gets Time Bastard'd.
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But if what you say is true then what the hell happened to the K-2 Janus? Does he still become Magus or what?
He gets Time Bastard'd.
I was always of the opinion that when Zeal fell, Belthasar and Gaspar had already been sent to the eras they were found in (Gaspar to the EoT, and Belthesar to 2300 AD), and when Melchior and Janus were pulled into the black gate, Melchior was sent to Medina, and Janus was sent to the Middle Ages.
I just thought it was done to ensure that they were still where they were so that what they already did wasn't undone.
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Well then, if I may make a suggestion? Don't ask about something you don't care knowing about maybe? >_>
I was more curious than anything else. It was significant enough for me to ponder, but not enough to change my opinion of the character or anything. While it would have been interesting if past Janus's feelings towards Crono and his friends affected Magus's, the fact that it doesn't changes nothing. In the overall scheme of things, it's irrelevant because Magus still stopped himself from killing them because of his sister and his past self.
Shadow: Yeah, that's exactly what I thought as well.
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It's said by an NPC in Zeal that Belthasar is on a small island somewhere working on the Wings of Time...And why would Gaspar & Belthasar be sent to those times prior to Melchior & Janus...? And what happens to their duplicates in your scenario?
Also, I think Magus more wanted Crono & Co. out of the way, though the fact that his sister, whom he loved wanted them alive, he had another option of getting rid of them, right? It's not like they have dissimilar goals after all...
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Maybe they went there and banished him, and didn't tell anyone. As for Gaspar, maybe an incident similar to the Time Crash occurred and he got sent to the End Of Time. Either that or B and G were the only ones TB'd, since Melchior had to give Crono the Grandleon and Janus had to go with Schala when Melchior was freed.
IDK, but then again, when I formed that hypothesis I had never heard of TTI or TB.
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It's said by an NPC in Zeal that Belthasar is on a small island somewhere working on the Wings of Time...
No, that's Gaspar, and he's working on the Chrono Trigger.
"Rumor has it that Gaspar continues his work on a small island somewhere... he is working on a "Time Egg" of some sort"
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Ah, right, I have trouble with all these Gurus & their many inventions... :lol:
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Well, if there's no Magus or Magil or Janus, I probably won't try this series. :lol:
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Well, if there's no Magus or Magil or Janus, I probably won't try this series. :lol:
:? <(???) Explain.
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I can't remember exactly, I read an article here(probably through google, I has been a long time) about the similarities between Guile and Magus, interesting. Later I knew Radical Dreamers by searching some remixes, that's when I knew this site. And Magil's mysteries really interested me, so I wanted to figure it out by myself.
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Well, if there's no Magus or Magil or Janus, I probably won't try this series. :lol:
:? <(???) Explain.
I think he's saying that's how cool Magus is...though his followup makes it sound like that's how cool the internets is...>_>
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The only thing I don't like about Magus is his dialogue in the End Of Time...when did he join the mob?
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The only thing I don't like about Magus is his dialogue in the End Of Time...when did he join the mob?
Yeah, that always kind of threw me off. He sounded like a twelve year old.
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yeeeh yeeeeh yeall got whakd shee? nyaaaa!!
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The only thing I don't like about Magus is his dialogue in the End Of Time...when did he join the mob?
Yeah, that always kind of threw me off. He sounded like a twelve year old.
Sigh, compared to his famous lines in one of the endings as the prophet, he's really another person...
If history is to change, let it change! If
the world is to be destroyed, so be it!
If my fate is to be destroyed...
I must simply laugh!!
I'm coming, Lavos!
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We don't know the exact age of Magus when he enters DBT, do we?
Maybe a few years passed from the ending of CT.
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yeeeh yeeeeh yeall got whakd shee? nyaaaa!!
Holy shit that made me laugh....
"David stop talking like that...."
"NOOOOOO SEEEEEEEEEEE!?!?!?!?"
-Dave Chapelle
But yea, the mob talk with the aliteration thrown in was...strange. Oh, and lame.
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Does anyone have the full version of the DS line?
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I always thought it was ghetto, not ganster (or maybe gangsta)...
Does anyone have the full version of the DS line?
It's been retranslated...
Your death was owed to weakness.
Now that's the cuddly, no-surprises-for-me-thanks, pyro (shall I burn it?), inconsiderate Magus we've all come to know & love...
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Does anyone have the full version of the DS line?
It's been retranslated...
:picardno
*annoyed eyebrow raised*
Can I have the f***ing line, please?
Smooth move, Exlax...Read again, read harder!
(http://crow.renezain.com/images2/photos/Try_Harder.jpg)
~V_Translanka
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I always thought it was ghetto, not ganster (or maybe gangsta)...
Does anyone have the full version of the DS line?
It's been retranslated...
Your death was owed to weakness.
Now that's the cuddly, no-surprises-for-me-thanks, pyro (shall I burn it?), inconsiderate Magus we've all come to know & love...
It's right there
"Your death was owed to weakness."
We should really get an annoyed Han Solo picture instead.
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This leaves only Magus, who has essentially "died" (which explains why Frog's curse was broken).
Yeah, I always wonder how could his curse be undone. In a certain ending, Marle kisses Frog. Although that is only a joke, but fit the fact he's cured quite well.
But if you kill Magus in game instead of let him join in, he will say if he's dead, Frog's curse will be undone. Maybe that's not an immediate effect, because Fog is still...a frog after Magus's death.
Frog: Magus!!
Magus: I...it's that stupid frog!
Kissed any princesses lately?!
Frog: I rather enjoy this form.
And I oweth it all to you!
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What's that about, Tunnels?
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Nothing, I just think it is funny... And the ending:
Frog: 'Tis a feisty crowd!
But they are thine kin, and 'tis of
consequence.
Queen Leene awaits.
Your Majesty, we too shall take our
leave.
Marle: Mr. Frog...
Frog: ...
Long farewells ne'er were
necessary.
Marle: Right!
Besides, actions speak louder than
words!
Lucca: Yeah. Don't these things end
with the princess kissing the frog?
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There is nothing in the human body a machine can't mimic, so yes Robo can have a personality.
Robo is the best not Magus!!!!
Hello, I'm new to the forum. I was doing some lurking and I saw this comment and thought that I had to join the debate. What you said is both right AND wrong. Think of a human's (or any biological creature)'s brain as a massive flowchart. It surveys every single situation (ie prompted by a stimulus) and acts accordingly (think of it like getting up when your alarm goes off, or pulling your hand away from a hot surface). Now for voluntary actions like breathing, our heart beating and blinking, these actions have been programmed into our brains since birth, it in our DNA, to help us survive, we cannot help doing these things, like a robot or computer. They are programmed to carry out a given reaction when prompted just like a human.
However a lot of actions that humans carry out are involuntary, this is that we have a free will. Think back to the flowhart I was talking about. In a human the flowchart can change ON IT'S OWN (typical of most biological creatures), when a human learns that a better outcome comes with different responses (ie not carlessley walking into a street to not get killed by a speeding car), or a stimulus propmts the brain to expect another stimulus (ie knowing that if you hear discussion you expect to see a person), in such circumstances a human's brain /flowchart can ASSESS a situation an react accordinly even if it has never experienced it before, so in essence a human can allter it's flowchart (not just that but we do it on a constant basis). So yes a robot can reproduce the brain of a human, but this is only in one state of time, the programmed flowchart remains fixed in a robot so therefore only a limited amount (contrasting with an infinite amount for humans) of actions can be carried out by a robot, unless programmed from an exterior intellegence to do otherwise.
In addition, humans are capable of abstract emotions (such as love, hate, lust, happiness, despair etc) caused by chemichals in the brain. These make humans act out of turn and completley disregard sensible judgement, again altering the flowchart. Robot can never EVER fell emotions, you cna tell because emotions are incomprehensible and cannot be explained even by words. Thus, however entertaineing the storyline of Chrono Trigger is, this aspect (and many others) are impossible. And thus personality (personality being how these emotions are balanced and how the brain conditions itself) cannot
So what you said is pefectly correct in the storyline of Chrono Trigger, but the statement in general is false. So I belive yes you CAN like Robo for his endearing personality because he DOES have one, the one the storywriters gave him. So it futlie to argue that Robots don't have personality, thus Robo does not have one (someone that the quotee was stating in response to) because Chrono Trigger isn't real life.
Duh.
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Mortal Kombat wasn't good...not even the first one (not to mention the extra horrible sequels & television series). Lu Kang not ONCE throws a fireball...wtf is up w/that BS? Surely not as bad as the Van Dam Street Fighter movie, but it was a close race...Fighting game movies especially need to stay in the realm of anime it seems.
As for Marle (why the awkward jump in subject, Mikey?)...She's a singular healer with one of the weakest Magic attacks (not to mention weakest physical attack). Supposedly she makes up for it with Haste, but I've never bought that (Haste Helms on 3 good characters>Marle casting haste on two good characters & wasting space with herself). Her character is ok for a princess character, not as annoying as most that follow that cliché, and her yelling at the guards during her father's Rainbow Shell trial was priceless, but overall, I found her one of the most bland.
They just NEVER learn, they are doing a live-action DBZ movie...................... nuff said?
If not go and watch the trailer.......... i don't need to say anything else.
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They just NEVER learn, they are doing a live-action DBZ movie...................... nuff said?
If not go and watch the trailer.......... i don't need to say anything else.
That is the most horrendous thing I have heard for awhile. Who would think that's a good idea? Movies have to go through multiple stages of approval with many people involved before they get made. You'd think just one person in that chain of events would have said "Hey guys, uh...this whole live-action DBZ movie thing...not a good idea".
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It was leak a while ago, I been told its MUCH better then it seems. Still over all a mediocre movie but the fights are well done, and the last one w/ Goku vs. Piccolo is suppose to be really good actually.
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Also, one thing I must ask that buggs me. WHY THE HELL DOES MAGUS HAVE POINTY EARS WHEN JANUS'S EARS ARE NORMAL, AND JANUS IS HUMAN?!!!!!
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Ah yet another reason he's not as good as Robo or Frog or Lucca or Alya or Crono or even Marle. He has pointy ears.
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I saw the trailer for DragonBall: Evolution, and I agree with all the haters. It FAILS.
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It must be during his time in "the Darkness" in which he gained them as proof he survived it.
I survived the darkness to defeat you, Lavos!
(I'll fix it when I see its DS counterpart. Just beat Zombor in my run.)
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Robo & Frog don't even have ears...>_>
Besides, plenty of Mystics transform...I assume it's Magic. Sneff, Serge & Co. also transform (into cats!)...I don't see why Magus would be above using a transformation, maybe to fit in better with the Mystics...maybe it's just a side-effect from studying the dark arts or maybe he caught some Mystic pointy ear STD...Guess who else is fairly emotionless and kicks ass that has pointy ears: SPOCK!!
Oh, and the cool thing about Dragonball was seeing Son Goku grow up throughout the series (& then later with Gohan)...a live-action movie just won't catch the light-hearted fun of Toriyama.
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Hmm, might be a stupid question, but does Magus really has a name in 600 A.D.?
Yeah, you know in CT DS, those villagers in Medina call him fiendlord, which is supposed to be his title. But in JPN version, everyone calls him 'fiendlord', which means they don't use or don't know his name at all, unlike in ENG versin, he has a name as Magus plus his title.
His JPN "name" 魔王 doesn't sound like a name at all, I mean, something like "his majesty", "the boss", etc...
So maybe that's why in ENG version, they give him a serious name?
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He is still called Magus by Glenn, The Mystical Knights and the game itself. In fact, the game calls him "Fiendlord" when he does Dark Matter, and his castle (and thus the chapter title) is called "Fiendlord's Keep"
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Yeah, what I mean is he is always fiendlord in JPN version unless you rename him.
That's why I say he doesn't actually have a name in 600 A.D.
That's similar to Frog, because he's a frog monster, everyone calls him frog, so at last, he accepts that as his name.
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It was leak a while ago, I been told its MUCH better then it seems. Still over all a mediocre movie but the fights are well done, and the last one w/ Goku vs. Piccolo is suppose to be really good actually.
I just watched the trailer and it was about 2 straight minutes of the hardest laughing I've done in a long time.
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Darn, this thread is still going on...
Yes, Magus is cool because he refused to accept his circumstances and changed them. He could have died, or become dark lord, or left the Mystics, or committed suicide. But he decided to unleash his free will and become a true "Chrono Trigger." Accepting some things is good, or unavoidable, like death. But in a world in which time travel is possible, I applaud Magus for not accepting anything and fighting, even through thirty hellish years. This is what makes his Dream Devourer identity-washing so tragic.
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If history is to change, change!
If the world is to be destroyed, be destroyed!
If I am thus to vanish and be no more......
That in itself will be interesting!!
Here we go, Lavos!
If history is to change, let it change!
If the world is to be destroyed, so be it!
If I must vanish from existence to see this done,
then I shall welcome that fate!
I'm coming, Lavos!
I recall CT DS has a different translation for Magus' lines in the Prophet ending, so I checked the Chrono Trigger Retranslation script.
I just wonder, why Magus says he will vanish? Does he mean if he defeat Lavos, he will be no more since he came from that era?
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My guess is that he believes in paradoxes or being erased because he (at least he thinks) wouldn't have been sent through time.
An older, and IMO, more awkward translation.
Maou: If history is to change, let it change!
If the world is going to die, let it die!
If what I am about to do causes me to vanish...
Then I will be amused!!
Go, Lavos!!
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Yeah, sound like that. So the idea of this game might be quite simple: if you change the past, you change the history. They just didn't consider whatwhat paradoxes...
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Sounds more to me like "I'll do this if it's the last thing I do," or "I'll do this even if it kills me!" which are some well-known English idioms. Basically, he'll die for this.
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Sounds more to me like "I'll do this if it's the last thing I do," or "I'll do this even if it kills me!" which are some well-known English idioms. Basically, he'll die for this.
Or sort of "I'f i'm going down, I'm taking you with me"
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Hmm, might be a stupid question, but does Magus really has a name in 600 A.D.?
Yeah, you know in CT DS, those villagers in Medina call him fiendlord, which is supposed to be his title. But in JPN version, everyone calls him 'fiendlord', which means they don't use or don't know his name at all, unlike in ENG versin, he has a name as Magus plus his title.
His JPN "name" 魔王 doesn't sound like a name at all, I mean, something like "his majesty", "the boss", etc...
So maybe that's why in ENG version, they give him a serious name?
I wouldn't call Magus a serious name, in fact the word Magus in real life was more of a title or description then an actual name. By dictionary.com's reference it could refer to the three Magi as a group, or a sorcerer/occultist, or a Zoroastrian priest. I feel the sorcerer is the most fitting for our Magus. It seems to me in the Woolsey translation they translated his original title to Magus (which I think is still a fitting title for him) but then used the title like they would a normal name.
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Thank you Zergplex. That makes sense to me now.
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Or sort of "I'f i'm going down, I'm taking you with me"
Suddenly a comparison comes to me between Magus and Andross from StarFox 64.
If I go down, I'm taking you with me!
Alfinho, what you said seriously flashed me back to when I saw that.
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I thought this line by Magus was kind of funny.
The Fiendlord, a hero.
What a droll thought.
Sorry, guys, but it's true. I laughed at that.
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The Fiendlord, a hero.
What a droll thought.
Sorry, guys, but it's true. I laughed at that.
Magus really does have some of the best lines of all time.
Fixed your quote tag.
~V_Translanka
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Yes he does.
Zeal...
A pitiful woman.
Duped by Lavos!
I know the words were right, but IDK if the punctuation was. Either way, that was my favorite of his lines seeing as he's insulting his own mother.
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his normal attack is weak but his critical good
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Especially true with his new weapon...but I always thought he was ok...better than Marle is always good enough in my book...! :lol:
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I just got his new weapon today, too. I think I like the purple scythe better. It matches his cape :lol:
Seriously, what's cooler than color-coordinating your clothes with your weapons?
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I think Magus is *okay*, but really sometimes I can't stand characters that are super serious and mysterious like he is. u__u I prefer comic relief characters such as Ayla. :D
Also, Magus has no dual techs. D:
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Magus' reaction to the Rainbow Shell letter was way funnier than Ayla's. ;)
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Got that right, Trans.
Magus: Not exactly my color.
You think he'd be talkin' some ancient Zealian stuff he learned while he was either Janus the Zealian Prince, Magus the Fiendlord, or Magus the Prophet, like when you visit the Sun Shrine.
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Magus is the way he is supposed to be. You either like it or you don't, but he doesn't beg to be liked.
As for being better than Marle... in what aspect? You can't just say that one character is better than another overall, because they're all parts that make up a whole. Obviously, he's going to be better than her at physical attacks and offensive Magic because that's not really her strong suit. She's more of a healer than anything else.And she is the best healer you get, though Frog and Robo are also healers, they don't rise to the same heights as Marle does.
Personally, Magus (I like to name him Janus when I get him) is my favorite char, but I can't say that he is any better than any other character because each have their strengths and weaknesses. As for the term Magus as a name, I'm sure that he either A. took the name as a child when he was thrown into 600 A.D. so as not to appear silly to the mystics, or was B. given the name by the Mystics as a symbol for his great skills at Sorcery.
Being called Fiendlord in the japanese version doesn't detract from this, because it is a title given to him by his foes, and possibly even by his allies the mystics which are known as Demons in the japanese version. These Mystics/Demons are proud of their heritage and enjoy being a scourge to humans so being called a 'fiendlord' would be great honor indeed to anyone who chooses to lead them in battle. Basically meaning that they are the best of the worst without trying to be the best of the best.
Magus is a being who suffered a traumatic childhood and began down the road of darkness very early on. To expect him to be chipper and upbeat or even to provide comic relief is like expecting the sky to all of a sudden be a color that it's never been before. The fact that he changes sides and joins Crono's team, if you let him, shows that he is ready to change, accepting the fact that he can not change the past, having failed to deliver Schala safely from harm when he shows up in the Dark Ages as the Prophet. Much like the story of Piccolo or Vegita from DB/DBZ, he probably still has his dark side and is prone to brooding and keeping silently to himself.
As I said, you either like him for it or you don't, but he doesn't care either way.
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I like to name him Janus when I get him.
So do I. That should have been his default name, since you find out he is Janus while at North Cape.
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As for being better than Marle... in what aspect? You can't just say that one character is better than another overall, because they're all parts that make up a whole. Obviously, he's going to be better than her at physical attacks and offensive Magic because that's not really her strong suit. She's more of a healer than anything else.And she is the best healer you get, though Frog and Robo are also healers, they don't rise to the same heights as Marle does.
While I mostly agree with you...most of the arguments in this thread are fairly tongue-in-cheek...Marle being the best healer is bunk. Frog has Cure 2 also and it's only moderately less effective than Marle's (but by the time you get either, it's going to heal 999)...Frog also has Heal and Robo has Heal Beam, both of which heal the entire party, while Marle is stuck with Single Techs that only heal one person. So I think both of them are better healers than Marle and add to the fact that they aren't strictly healers and Marle's only claim to fame is Haste.
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yeah but Marle Gets Life 2 and is the only person who does. And that tech is very helpful.
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The way I see it, if you're dying by the time you get Life 2, you need more help than Marle can provide...>_>
An ounce of Heal is worth a pound of Life.
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and sometimes you just get hit hard, in which case, heal can't solve the problem. And there are some attacks that do 999 damage to you, such as Spekkio's Master Nu form. The attacks from that are very hard hitting. During normal game play, I agree, it's better to have someone who can heal everyone at once, but there are some instances in the game where they are no good to have in your party and you need Marle instead. That and Marle & Frog together make a great healing force.
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Spekkio's Pink Nu (idk why you're calling it Master Nu, which a different boss in CTDS) is at ** level...If you just keep healed you shouldn't die is what I'm saying ("an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" is what that was a take on)...Unless your defense is just too low you shouldn't be getting hit for 999. 998, sure, I can see that because of Hallatation, but in that case you're going to need an all party heal. And two lame healers (Frog AND Marle??) in the party is overkill. The best defense is a good offense (lookit that! i'm using idioms talking to idioticidioms!)! One person who can heal everyone (Robo since Heal Beam is best) with ONE Tech is more than good enough.
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I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying I'm right, lol
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Speaking of puns related to Idiom's name, back in Second Grade (I think) I made a book on idioms for a class project (we were studying idioms at the time), that I titled "Idiotic Idioms"
For that reason, Idiom, I was surprised when I saw your SN.
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I would say that I'm surprised, but I'm so used to coincidences like that, that they no longer surprise me. Far too many coincidences in life to just be coincidences, in my opinion.
Question: If Magus wasn't really all that cool, would we have a 20 page thread about him?
Seriously, answers itself.
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Yes, it does.
Question is, why don't we have 20-page threads on everyone else that is just as awesome as Magus?
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Because Magus is more fun to discuss?
I haven't seen any signatures with "Resident Screaming someone-else Fan" tags. To be fair, All of the CT characters are cool (not enough CC experience, not touching on that), but their coolness is pretty much undisputed. The reason Magus has a twenty page thread is because of the Frog sympathizers who hate him, and people like Teaflower and me who get defensive and pretty much worship him.
On that topic, I wish I had that statue from the cathedral...
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Because, Magus is so controversial that he must be discussed, even by those who dislike him. It's much like how Howard Stern is on the radio. Even if you dislike him, you find yourself tuning in just to find out what he does and says next. Though please, I am only comparing that one part between the two. In no other way am I saying that Magus is anywhere near being the same as Howard Stern. You can either love him or hate him, but you still have to talk about him.
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He has a thread because he's the most popular Chrono character...and if you'll notice, the people that like him in this thread far outweigh those that are saying, "No, he isn't".
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Or we could revert to children and go: Magus is cool because I said so, nya nya na na na.
of course then the people on the other end would be like: nuh-uh
and then we would be all like: uh-huh
and they'd go: nuh-uh
you see where this is going...
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The people that like him in this thread far outweigh those that are saying, "No, he isn't".
We will not go quietly into the night! We will not vanish without a fight! We're going to live on! We're going to survive!
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wanna bet? I know people. *shifty eyes*
lol
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Maybe the people that don't like him are avoiding the thread because they're afraid of getting flamed.
We tend to have debates on this same subject in class. The haters far outnumber us so far. Of course, most of them haven't played the game all the way through yet. It's really fun to watch their reaction when they find out they just tried to kill the guy who was trying to save the world.
By the way, Idiom, what picture is your avatar from?
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some picture I found while browsing the web. Fan-made of course. I found it on an old, dead message board. I'd have to search again to find out exactly where.
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I'd start a Marle thread but those usually turn into "she's stupid and _____ is better".
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But Marle IS cool! She's a great supporting character, she never left my team since I saved Leene, and she pretty much drives the beginning of the story. You can do a lot with her in fanfiction, too.
I take the "Fiendlord/Friendlord" comic as my evidence.
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BUT SHE CAN'T BLOW STUFF UP BY HERSELF
WHAT A TERRIBLE CHARACTER
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yeah but she sure does have a spunky attitude.
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Why does she need to blow stuff up by herself? Crono and Magus can't blow stuff up if they're dead, so Marle is a very important part of the team :D
Actually... that'd be a very cool fanfic. Marle gets pissed at being under appreciated and leaves, everyone else tries to go on without her. But oh no, nobody else knows how to cook! Nobody else can do the laundry! (thus Magus had to wear pink pants from that day on) Frog and Robo are too busy fighting and can't keep up with the healing!
Magus, Marle and Crono are always in my team. They are just that cool.
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The fact is every character has there niche they fill, well except Robo. That bad boy is awesome at everything, healing, magic, fighting. He even can build as well as Lucca, cooking shouldn't be a problem at all laundry Pssh that's easy for him.
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Yes, Robo is a robot and can keep up with anything.
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I was gonna be offended at the "Marle is good for cooking and cleaning" thing, then I remembered that Serge did the laundry (and probably the cooking too, since Kid cooking was good but rare) in RD, and for some reason this placated me.
I like apron-wearing Robo better, though...
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Wasn't impressing Marle what drove Crono to go and destroy Lavos?
Show Marle what you're made of!
I rest my case.
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well, that only shows up if you puss out of being the Hero on your own.
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And that sounds like it's what Lucca wants it to be...Even if you do go that route you eventually just have to cave thus meaning that the real reason is because Lucca was being annoying. :lol:
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Or maybe Lucca wants to impress Marle!
Eh?
Ehhhhh?
...No, no...
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rofl, maybe she's interested in a threesome and maybe it happens in Crono's bed when you go to rest there all innocently unsuspecting of anything. *wink, wink*
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In the original Japanese, instead of just calling Marle a cutie, Lucca took Crono aside briefly and said "Oh yes, she's invited."
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Lesbians? In MY Chrono Trigger?
... Proceed.
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Maybe the people that don't like him are avoiding the thread because they're afraid of getting flamed.
I never brought this up before, but if anyone really believes that then they dunno the Compendium. We aren't 4chan nor GameFAQs (regardless of one or two members that might want otherwise...>_>)...
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Lesbians? In MY Chrono Trigger?
... Proceed.
Agreed. Lesbian activity of any kind has my signature.
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i210/nathanbon/proceed.jpg)
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I'm really getting tired of everyone saying that magus is the best character in either of the Chrono games.
I'm really getting tired of how out of every 5 CT fanfics I read, at least 3 center around him.
Am I really the only one who isn't freaking obsessed with Magus? I mean, come on! Sure, he's cool and all, and he's Schala's little brother, but in the end he's just BORING. He has very little Personal Development, and he always acts all stuck up, like he's better than everyone else.
AND HIS HAIR IS PURPLE >:U
Well, personally I killed him on my first play through Frog 1v1 amazing action. I might spare him this time as I play DS, but the chances of me using him for anything are pretty low... I seem to remember he might be useful for the black omen but hey...
In my eyes, in my Chrono Trigger, hes a bad guy. Defeated him again yesterday on DS actually, using triple tech Frog Chrono Robo (had a lads night out to the Feinlords castle :P!)
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yes he IS that cool,but so is frog who gets a lot underrated from what I've seen so far :( I bet it's stupid woosley's fault for making him talk like a shakespearian novel :picardno well luckily I'm saved since I'm italian and play the italian version :mrgreen: in which all is translated normally hehe.Anyway those 2 characters are my alltime faves 8)
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I've been avoiding this topic like the plague... but... here's my two cents.
Yes, Magus is a little... overdone. But what do you expect? He's an angsty mage prettyboy with a dark and twisted past, has weird hair, and some could consider him cute. Not me. I'm not into that sort of thing. But the poor man is fangirl bait. And I may fall into that category. But let's not go down that path, shall we?
Every title I've played in my life has someone like this. In FF7, it's Vincent. In FF8, I guess it's Squall. Can't think of any more right now, but you get my drift. I'm sick of seeing too much Magus, but ultimately everyone has a favorite. For some it's Marle. For others it's Frog.
I guess it depends on who you ask.
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I've been avoiding this topic like the plague... but... here's my two cents.
Yes, Magus is a little... overdone. But what do you expect? He's an angsty mage prettyboy with a dark and twisted past, has weird hair, and some could consider him cute. Not me. I'm not into that sort of thing. But the poor man is fangirl bait. And I may fall into that category. But let's not go down that path, shall we?
Every title I've played in my life has someone like this. In FF7, it's Vincent. In FF8, I guess it's Squall. Can't think of any more right now, but you get my drift. I'm sick of seeing too much Magus, but ultimately everyone has a favorite. For some it's Marle. For others it's Frog.
I guess it depends on who you ask.
:lol: Let's not forget that he wasn't really overdone. Most of the lame emo bits were added by fans, not Kato. How I see Magus?
At first, he's Janus. Someone similar to Draco Malfoy from Harry Potter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draco_malfoy). Except, most of his "pride" and sort is actually hidden for the fear of revealing it to his mother.
When he appears in 600 AG he doesn't cry over it. Instead, he handles everything with the strength of his magic. I can actually see Janus grinning over those dead Mystic corpses. xD And of course, impressing Ozzie.
Magus doesn't get all emo at the medieval age as some might think (or humiliate him on purpose). True, he wants his revenge. And when you have great power with you and you're sent to another era, far away from your own home, and Lavos screws up with your entire family, who the f**k wouldn't want his revenge? 8) The truth is, he doesn't sit in the corner and cry about it. Instead, he takes up the lead, even if it means deceiving his followers, and gets what he wants or what he feels is right (yes, he thinks killing innocent people for the greater good is right). Now THAT is a TRUE DEMON KING!!
Magus doesn't care about people. Everyone thinks that's the problem because he's emo like Cloud, Squall, etc. But actually, as I said he resembles Draco Malfoy, he doesn't care about people because he feels like it. Of course, that's his negative style and some people don't like him because of this. XD But Sometimes it shows how superior and independent he is.
But other than that, the only person he actually ever cared about is Schala (and perhaps also his father Alphard). The loss of his father hurt him, but even though he was a child then he wasn't easily weakened. He deserves a medal. And since he cares about his sister (obviously, EVERYONE in their lives cares about someone or the other; if you don't have someone you care about you're emo) of course he'd be willing to go to the ends of the earth for her! Yet again, he wouldn't be sitting around crying she's not with him. He's more practical, more logical than that.
But indeed, the new CTDS ending brought about his "emo" side for once. XDDD but then again, that was pretty good too considering it had the theme of an ages old story (I forgot which one) that said something like, "Don't follow revenge; for revenge will burn you. When you fulfill your revenge, you will have no where to go. And that path you chose will bring eternal emptiness and doom."
So in short, Magus has A LOT of great things about him that many do not notice. ^-^ He's a great character.
And who DOESN'T love Froggy?! =D He's the man!!
But I believe that all of the CT characters are great, special and memorable. ^o^ That's why I love the game. Each one has his/her own great quality that shows the great sides of mankind.
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For Magus there is nothing but crying and push-ups, this is canon.
...But speaking of canon, I heard Magus had a very... tsundere line with Lucca in her Dimensional Distortion.
Say it ain't so, guys ;_;
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For Magus there is nothing but crying and push-ups, this is canon.
...But speaking of canon, I heard Magus had a very... tsundere line with Lucca in her Dimensional Distortion.
Say it ain't so, guys ;_;
Eh, it was moreso like "Caring" than tsundere.
Also
Tsundere
... You lurk /a/?
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Nope, /co/ and very rarely /v/ (I might end up in "Only posts in Chrono Trigger threads Tier" soon). The stuff kinda leaks over, though, so I know all about GAR and such.
[edit]Woop, forgot to ask. "Caring"? Is that referring to the "hey how are we gonna get out of here" thing when he's in your party? That didn't seem like a huge deal to me, and I heard there was more of an exchange if he's in the group that comes to get you.
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What is the tsundere/caring line you're talking about? I've tried the dimensional vortex a few times, but no matter what I do, he won't be in the party that comes to rescue you. How do you get him to come to the rescue?
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Nope, /co/ and very rarely /v/ (I might end up in "Only posts in Chrono Trigger threads Tier" soon). The stuff kinda leaks over, though, so I know all about GAR and such.
[edit]Woop, forgot to ask. "Caring"? Is that referring to the "hey how are we gonna get out of here" thing when he's in your party? That didn't seem like a huge deal to me, and I heard there was more of an exchange if he's in the group that comes to get you.
I've never been in /co/, but /v/ is like my Chan home.
And I forget the line exactly, but I remember it being something along the lines of being concerned or something like that.
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Well, I've been trying Lucca's Dimensional Vortex with as many character combinations as I can, but I haven't found any 'caring' or 'tsundre' lines for Magus.
These are his lines for getting trapped in the room:
What now?
We'd best do something, unless it is your
plan to wait out our deaths here
Hmm?
It seems another route has opened.
Shall we see what lies that way?
And when he comes to rescue you he's always the last person in the party, with the line:
Hmph.
Apparently he'll only come to the rescue if you haven't used the Time Egg on Crono yet. Lazy.
Going to try other character combinations to see if I can get any other lines out of him. Doubt it'll be any different though.
EDIT: Is there a text script compiled for CTDS yet? If not, I can play through and copy down all the lines into a Word file. Just curious.
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Now, you didn't expect to speak ill of the Demon Lord, Picco--Magus, and not have people respond, did you? If anything, he has more history with Lavos than anyone else but Schala. It almost feels as if the game's central characters are actually the Zeal trinity. Even if Magus did turn evil, you can simply consider this character development. He probably went insane from everything he went through, no?
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I looked through some fanart today and realized another reason I like Magus. Going by canon, he's most likely the reason Kid didn't dress like a whore in Radical Dreamers.
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A night thief should wear night clothes.
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Night clothes yes, lady of the night clothes no.
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Magus still is really all that cool.
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Night clothes yes, lady of the night clothes no.
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Night clothes yes, lady of the night clothes no.
How about Queen of the Night?
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...She might be more recognizable as Schala! Hmm!
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Well I think tushantin said it best, but actually I was a Magus hater back in the day. I only started to like him when I played the DS version because I saw that he was misunderstood and all he wanted to do was have his sister back : (. So I kind of felt bad for him.
When I first started playing the game, I got annoyed with all the Magus fans and I usually killed him off instead of adding him to my team. Frog has always been my favorite character, so I thought I owed it to him!
I guess I joined the ranks when I made a Magus fic myself. lol. He's not become my favorite character or anything, I guess I feel like I understand him better. He's not emo, he's just dark and motivated. Also, I think his sprite is really cute. He looks like a little chibi elf. lol.
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It's a mistake that's made ith every darl, badass character in any story.
And after reading the title of this thread -- Yes.
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Lucca all the way, light motha fuckas on fire
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wtf is that supposed to mean?
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Actually, Magus is one of my personal favorites in the game, my favorites are arranged as
Glenn
Magus
Cyrus (even though he's not playable, he still kicks arse)
Ayla
Crono
Lucca
Marle
Robo
oh, and the purple hair? its awesome, purple is the color of royalty anyways so :P
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My friends and I used to "assign" characters to ourselves whenever we'd play rpgs with a big cast. There's usually someone for everyone, or else you get to make fun of the friend that's stuck as the talking animal or the opposite gender. We were also like ten (but still do it thirteen years later). I was Frog, my buddy with the long hair was Magus. That was the dynamic we used to relate to the game. Frog is still my favorite, and even though I haven't seen him in several years, Joe probably still loves Magus. Those two are the only ones in the party that get backstory shown in more than one flashback. I know what Lucca looked like as a child from the single time you go into her past, yes. And even Marle looked like the other little blonde haired white girls in the Millenial Fair. But you see Glenn grow up into a knight, then you see it get taken away. Brilliant. You meet Magus. Later, you see this little shit running around a magic island brigning everybody down. You meet the prophet, albeit indirectly. But then it all turns out to be the same person. I think these types of revelations are where the fan obsession comes from. Seeing what one of your favorite game's characters as a child and seeing them interact with others and understanding the development from that to what you know and accept as the "current" version, the adult version, definitely creates a bond between character and player. That's my two pennies and you can take em or leave em in the 7-11 jar.
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Magus is like Drizzt, minus what I call the Spice Girls Factor. The Spice Girls spread themselves way too thin. The same thing happened for Drizzt. The nice thing is that there is not a whole race of Maguses, unlike a whole race of Drizzts, therefore stopping said Spice Girls Factor.
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Magus is like Drizzt, minus what I call the Spice Girls Factor. The Spice Girls spread themselves way too thin. The same thing happened for Drizzt. The nice thing is that there is not a whole race of Maguses, unlike a whole race of Drizzts, therefore stopping said Spice Girls Factor.
I don't know why, but promote this man.
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Magus is like Drizzt, minus what I call the Spice Girls Factor. The Spice Girls spread themselves way too thin. The same thing happened for Drizzt. The nice thing is that there is not a whole race of Maguses, unlike a whole race of Drizzts, therefore stopping said Spice Girls Factor.
wtf is that supposed to mean?
nuff said.
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(http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/1494/112926-136833-drizzt-do-urden_large.jpg)
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Is that pre-skeleton Skelator with Panthor there? I guess I could see a Magus/Skeletor connection...Though not with that voice...Could you imagine that squeaker talking about the Black Wind without everyone around him cracking up?
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(http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/1494/112926-136833-drizzt-do-urden_large.jpg)
Fixed it.
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(http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/1494/112926-136833-drizzt-do-urden_large.jpg)
This looks kind of like human Glenn from CT. Or a pretty pissed off version of him anyway.
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Magus is the epitome of badassness when it comes to actual mages. In just about every game I've played I was a sucker for the warrior/fighter type. Magus is the ONLY exception in just about everything for me, that alone is saying something. It helps that he wields a Scythe but his overall attitude in CT is just superb.
In terms of gameplay hes great as well, maybe not quite on par with Crono and Frog when it comes to usefulness (healing/reviving). Hes a GREAT damage dealer and his sprite animations are by far the best along with Crono and Frog.
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Rate the Chrono Trigger Characters (http://www.chronocompendium.com/Stories/5)
2004
Can he stand the test of time?
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I don't think that Magus is cool. On the other hand, I find Magil to be pretty damn cool.
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Rate the Chrono Trigger Characters (http://www.chronocompendium.com/Stories/5)
2004
Can he stand the test of time?
Oh, neat. We should do this again. We should make a poll and have select people describe why a character got a certain place and do an updated version of it. Personally, Ayla is probably my second or third favorite character. Dunno why no one seems to like her.
EDIT:
OK, DID IT. EVERYONE PARTICIPATE : D http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php/topic,7877.0.html
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Topic: Is Magus really all that cool?
Yes. Simply yes. Magus is just that damn cool.
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I'm pretty impartial on the subject. I think the revelation that Janus = Magus + Magus = Prophet was really cool the first time I saw it. And the second time. And the third. And of course, his parts with Glenn. Cause Glenn was my dude. Right up into his castle. The interrupted summon was another classic revelation.
But I'm starting to think the question may be referring to temperature instead of what everybody else is talking about. I mean, the guy has a codpiece and a cape and white skin and he lives in the snow now. Yes, yes, he may be 'cool' but I think 'uncomfortable' is a better adjective in this case. :lol:
Do you like my shoddy Magus recolored version of whatever Keb posted up there was? I still don't know where that original picture came from...
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I'm really getting tired of everyone saying that magus is the best character in either of the Chrono games.
I'm really getting tired of how out of every 5 CT fanfics I read, at least 3 center around him.
Am I really the only one who isn't freaking obsessed with Magus? I mean, come on! Sure, he's cool and all, and he's Schala's little brother, but in the end he's just BORING. He has very little Personal Development, and he always acts all stuck up, like he's better than everyone else.
AND HIS HAIR IS PURPLE >:U
1. CT was an SNES game and it's hard to have alot of personal development for a game made in the SNES days.
2. He's Royalty of course he's going to act stuck up it's what they do.
3. Why isn't your hair PURPLE?!
Just my two cents.
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I'm really getting tired of everyone saying that magus is the best character in either of the Chrono games.
I'm really getting tired of how out of every 5 CT fanfics I read, at least 3 center around him.
Am I really the only one who isn't freaking obsessed with Magus? I mean, come on! Sure, he's cool and all, and he's Schala's little brother, but in the end he's just BORING. He has very little Personal Development, and he always acts all stuck up, like he's better than everyone else.
AND HIS HAIR IS PURPLE >:U
1. CT was an SNES game and it's hard to have alot of personal development for a game made in the SNES days.
2. He's Royalty of course he's going to act stuck up it's what they do.
3. Why isn't your hair PURPLE?!
Just my two cents.
This thread was made sometime last year, and I have to admit, after getting familiar with Chrono fandom Magus is pretty awesome.
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Magus is cool, but Frog can and does kick his ass!
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Yeah, he did a good job of it with Cyrus...and then again crying away his troubles in his hole before Crono & Co. came along and kicked his ass into gear...What was Magus up to during all this? Oh, just putting his life on the line trying to kill LAVOS~!!
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The "leading a massive army of Mystics and starting a world war against all of humanity, wherein thousands of people died, simply as a diversion" part was pretty kickass too.
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We don't know that he started the war...I still think it was probably the humans...I also don't recall ever seeing him actually lead anything other than in name...
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Topic: Is Magus really all that cool?
Yes. Simply yes. Magus is just that damn cool.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/maggiekarp/poshul/didnotgetthefontright.png)
(...in other words.)
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No.
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No.
How original! Funny how almost all of the negations of the thread title are only that one word (the ones that survived deletion, anyways) without any good evidence to back it up. The other 20+ pages speak to the contrary. ;) Yes, I know you just posted that because of my post in the Stuff You Love thread. I suppose, "No" is just your alternate way of saying, "Yes" then...:P
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i find that magus is an enjoyable character and he is very cool. he has some of the best lines in the game, glorious hair, and a pretty good backstory. but he certainly isnt the coolest character in the world.
who that is escapes my mind at the moment. :(
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Overall, Magus is one the most enigmatic and profound characters in the game, even more so than Crono.
At least you get an understanding of how he came to be who he is in the game via his personal history.
We don't get that luxury with the silent hero, Crono.
In that sense, Magus is a cool character: exposition played through the proper channels of literary convention.
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I still mantain that Frog is cooler. No matter what you guys say.
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I still mantain that Frog is cooler. No matter what you guys say.
Well, that's your prerogative. This is the Chrono Compendium after all, I'm sure you'll find a good bit of people who agree and disagree with you.
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I still mantain that Frog is cooler. No matter what you guys say.
Well, that's your prerogative. This is the Chrono Compendium after all, I'm sure you'll find a good bit of people who agree and disagree
with you.
That may be your opinion, Tordeal, but I disagree!
Seriously, I don't understand why this thread is still so active! Probably because it's a sticky, and whenever people see it they're like "Oooh! I WANNA SAY YES TOO!" or "What the fuck? No! No no no nononono! I have to post NOW!"
I like Magus' weapon. It's original without being lame, like carrots or pots n pans or something (examples of lame originality).
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I think this thread should be fun for the Magus haters too
Note: We didn't just talk about Magus for hours on end, there were lots of in-between conversations and I edited huge chunks out to be Compendium relevant. Frawg = Frog
Warning: Cusses, Sexual Content, Magus Abuse
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Myshu: (Ah shit, Magus has... reverted to a wee childe and started weeping, like a fagson)
Myshu: (Stop crying boy)
DK: lmao a FAGSON?
DK: so offensive
DK: so offensive
* Myshu off the cuff
L_Cully: Magus is a fagson whether he weeps or not.
L_Cully: God I hate Magus
L_Cully: I wish he would burst
DK: lmao I hope magus gets acid in his eye
maggiekarp: DK can you write a story where Magus gets acid in his eye and it has to be replaced by one of Robo's eyes
L_Cully: I hope Magus accidentally inhales a lot of red pepper.
maggiekarp: but Robo hates him so much he makes everything look like Schala's bloated corpse
Rydia: MK you're just trying to offload your drawing responsibilities on DK in the form of writing
SaintNick: why would they waste one of Robo's eyes? They'd just steal a button, or something absurdly watery from a taxedermy shop
Myshu: That's fuckin' morbid, man
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DK: Magus squealed like a burning rabbit as Lucca's DeathPenis(TM) Syringe dildo unleashed a torrential font of iris-melting fury. "THAT'S FOR CALLING MY MOM LARA STUMPTEAR!" she howled, running off into the night, tears streaming down her face, hypodermic donger wagging in front of her like a reverse puppy tail that was also a syringe full of acid because she has sexual problems.
maggiekarp: yessss
Myshu: lmao the trademark symbol
DK: It had to be done, cheap Porre knockoffs will flood the market
DK: I hope Magus gets so hungry he has to eat plants he just finds growing around, and those plants are poison ivy.
maggiekarp: "Dalton's back and he has two eyepatches for some reason" "Porre sucks bros, just sayin"
DK: I hope Magus gets a real bad UTI.
maggiekarp: I hope Magus turns Frawg back into a humawn and they have wacky roadtrip adventures :)
DK: I hope the red dust Magus inhaled during the events at the ocean palace give him a kidney dreamstone and everyone forces him to pass it so Melchior can use it as a weapon and he's giving birth to it swaddled in sweat-soaked sheets and everyone's laughing real hard.
SaintNick: I hope Magus has to buy a car, and it's a used Kia Rio, and the seatbelts fail/
Mozz_Sherman: Magus: The engine likes to flood
Mozz_Sherman: the car always [HONNNNK!]ing stalls
DK: I hope magus gets roofing tar all over his genitalia somehow and has to explain it to his companions
Mozz_Sherman: and the driver's seat has a big rip so a spring always pokes me balllls
Mozz_Sherman: OUCH OUCH OUCH
Mozz_Sherman: I hope someting unpleasant happens to Magus's physical form.
SaintNick: I hope Magus finally finds someone who likes him, just so he has someone he feels like he needs to explain the roofing tar to.
maggiekarp: there were a lot of naked parties in CT, nothing to do with liking
SaintNick: And the roofing tar is just the last straw, so that kind soul calls him a tarbaby, sticks a piece of litter to his junk, and storms off over the unmowed grass.
Mozz_Sherman: and/or bullies him into eating litter
Mozz_Sherman: !quote *litter
Snewman: #361: <DK> Listen, it's crunchy. Don't knock it until you've tried it. | <Jerm> (DK doesn't actually eat cat litter) | <DK> Uh... yes I do, actually.
DK: I hope Magus gets a winning lottery ticket and feels his spirits rise because now he can finally invest in that Zeal-and-Alfador-and-dead-sister themed miniature Chronogolf course he's been dreaming about since he first felt Ozzie's lash. But it turns out that he mistread it and the 7 was actually a 9 that he scraped too hard, so he wins nothing and he cries that night eating cold beans from the can in a pair of soiled underwear.
SaintNick: DK you're not fooling anyone, that was an episode of My Name is Earl
DK: I think that was every episode of My Name is Earl
Mozz_Sherman: if you add Jaime Pressly being white-trash, yes.
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L_Cully: oh hehe i started a meme with magus ill-wishes.
L_Cully: yay
SaintNick: Someone tell this cigarette to pour me another drink.
DK: I hope Magus meets a woman who he really thinks he's impressing but at the end of the night she puts a cigarette out on his tongue
maggiekarp: I hope Magus gets amnesia and starts wearing a lot of chest-exposing shirts :)
DK: I hope Magus loses a nipple in a horrible fishing accident.
L_Cully: TCH ONLY 8 REVIEWS FOR THE STORY I POSTED TWO HOURS AGO?
L_Cully: that's only 4 reviews per hour
SaintNick: I hope Magus meets a woman, but decides to miss out on a one night stand on the idea that he can turn it into a more meaningful relationship. He wakes the next morning to find the pocket with her number soaked clean through with his own urine, and the urine of several others.
L_Cully: unacceptable
L_Cully: I hope Magus posts a story in a big fandom and it only gets one reply and it's someone correcting his spelling.
DK: I hope Magus has a drunken one night stand with Gato
SaintNick: I hope Magus finds out he's a hemophiliac after he stubs his toe.
Mozz_Sherman: MY NAME IS GATO, I HAVE SILVER JOINTS, LICK MY GEARBOX, FAGUS, AND EARN 69 SILVER POINTS
Mozz_Sherman: he sings this loud and proud so everyone in the building can hear.
SaintNick: I hope Magus' dad finally makes him get a haircut and a job. He continues to write his bad poetry, while he tells all of his coworkers at Li'l Ceasers he's going somewhere.
DK: call it off, sounds too much like my life
SaintNick: Eventually he just starts telling them he'll be assistant manager next time they have a round of promotions, but that's just as much of a lie.
L_Cully: I hope it's a
L_Cully: MULTICHAPTERED
L_Cully: story.
L_Cully: I hope Magus has to clean out the bathtub and sweep the verandah and put his laundry away and when he pauses for a drink all his lemondrop schnapps is gawne
SaintNick: Magus seems more like a golschlagger person to me
SaintNick: it's got real gold in there. It's like I'm drinking rich people!
DK: I hope Magus is still struggling with his tam o'shanter while he's heading down the icy front steps and he slips, landing hard on his hip and driving the pencil he has in his pocket into his left testicle
Mozz_Sherman: i hope magus doesn't even know the joy of tasting lemon schnapps thus never had it in his cup to begin with.
Mozz_Sherman: you know, we're kinda being dicks to him, now.
SaintNick: I hope Magus realizes how much he deserves for us to be dicks to him.
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L_Cully: I hope Frawg never runs out of lemondrop schnapps ^-^
maggiekarp: I hope Magus finds out just how good Frawg is to him
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Myshu: It's neko time http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=5474286
maggiekarp: meow meow whatever |:3
DK: it's never neko time
maggiekarp: I hope Magus finds someone that understands neko time :3
L_Cully: I hope Magus gets stuck in neko time :3
maggiekarp: I got some pictures of Magus making neko time awkward for his past self
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DK: Also I got in trouble for griefing on SS13 because being made a revolutionary is apparently not carte blanche to stab a sleeping crewmember in the eyes with the screwdriver over and over until he's blind, then weld him into a closet
L_Cully: I hope all that happens to Magus.
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Another reason why Magus is cool: the title of his remix on the CHRONOTORIOUS album.
BAMF=Bad ass mother fucker. Its a fitting title.
Very fitting indeed.
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I still mantain that Frog is cooler. No matter what you guys say.
Frog is one of the coolest characters ever. And quite possibly the coolest one on the SNES. To top it all, his theme music rocks.
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Yes, Frog's theme DOES rock. Especially in the Atonement remix where it's mixed with Magus' theme.
Also, CHRONOTORIOUS has a deth rock mix for Frog's theme, and that's cool :lee:
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I got to check those out!
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No.
How original! Funny how almost all of the negations of the thread title are only that one word (the ones that survived deletion, anyways) without any good evidence to back it up. The other 20+ pages speak to the contrary. ;) Yes, I know you just posted that because of my post in the Stuff You Love thread. I suppose, "No" is just your alternate way of saying, "Yes" then...:P
Oh come on V, you know you still love me.
Just because I make a 1 word troll post to annoy and humor the rest of the community doesn't mean we cant be in love!
*hugs V*
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You know, it struck me as odd just right now.
Magus doesn't have a theme. The OSV only has the theme for when you battle him.
"THAT IS HIS THEME!!!!11" A random newcomer may scream.
If that's the case, then why don't the characters have battle themes for themselves and not just for bosses?
Just throwing it out there.
IAmSerge, as far as hugging goes, it only works if V returns the hug. Just giving you a heads-up.
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On my first few playthroughs I though the Zeal Palace song was his theme, because that's what played in Frog's flashback when Cyrus died. Still an amazing song in its own right.
Don't Crono and Marle share a themesong? At least, the title has both their names in it. I don't remember what song plays if you talk to Crono at the End of Time.
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On my first few playthroughs I though the Zeal Palace song was his theme, because that's what played in Frog's flashback when Cyrus died. Still an amazing song in its own right.
Don't Crono and Marle share a themesong? At least, the title has both their names in it. I don't remember what song plays if you talk to Crono at the End of Time.
it plays the song you hear in the animated cutscene intro of the PS1 and DS versions.
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The main theme, in other words. Which is also Crono's then.
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Marle's a support character, so she ends up latching her themesong to Crono, and later to everyone with "To Good Friends".
Not as bad as Lucca though, who ends up having to use the fanfare for her theme :<
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Marle's a support character, so she ends up latching her themesong to Crono, and later to everyone with "To Good Friends".
Not as bad as Lucca though, who ends up having to use the fanfare for her theme :<
I dunno I liked her fanfare.
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I dunno, I always saw it as the opposite; Lucca's theme is so cool that they used it as another fanfare.
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You know, it struck me as odd just right now.
Magus doesn't have a theme. The OSV only has the theme for when you battle him.
"THAT IS HIS THEME!!!!11" A random newcomer may scream.
If that's the case, then why don't the characters have battle themes for themselves and not just for bosses?
Just throwing it out there.
I'm pretty sure that is his theme, actually... It plays at the End of Time when you put him in your party.
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I think GenesisOne's referring to the fact that it's called "Battle With Magus" and you hear it first when fighting him so it seems less like a character theme and more like a boss theme. I don't see why it can't be both though nor that it would mean it isn't his theme just because it's the theme that plays when you fight him. It was just that the theme for Magus was too awesome not to use in multiple instances. ;)
Wait, what plays during those Mirror Match fights against the alternate Crono, Marle & Lucca in the Dimensional Vortexes in CTDS...?
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The second boss battle theme.
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I think the music choices for the added material were really bad so they shouldn't count towards theme consideration.
Dalton's theme is not Johnny's theme, I'm sorry honeys.
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I think the music choices for the added material were really bad so they shouldn't count towards theme consideration.
Dalton's theme is not Johnny's theme, I'm sorry honeys.
Agreed for the most part, except they did work Singing Mountain in there somewhere. I forgot where. But it was pretty decent.
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Singing Mountain was used for Marle's Dimensional Vortex, I believe. The one with the ice cliffs.
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Singing Mountain was used for Marle's Dimensional Vortex, I believe. The one with the ice cliffs.
It was, it was.
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Marle's a support character, so she ends up latching her themesong to Crono, and later to everyone with "To Good Friends".
Not as bad as Lucca though, who ends up having to use the fanfare for her theme :<
I dunno I liked her fanfare.
I always thought that the fanfare was just too damn happy, but I love love love the CC rendition post-battle. It also irked me some that Frog had that fanfare in the Sanctuary, but I think that makes his theme even better when it finally bellows out for the first time.
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It also irked me some that...
Heh... "Irk".... Irken... Invader Zim =D
Sorry, had to call it out.
on topic: Frog had her theme once? wierd
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Magus really is all that cool imo.
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Yes Magus is very cool.
He has a interesting backstory that explains why he is the way he is.
But I can understand, why some people may not like him.
They may find him to be overrated.
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his character works well, especially compared to alot of the other characters (who are fairly one-dimensional)
Chrono likes to beat things up with his sword/holy magic of doom, ends up picking a fight with lavos, getting disintegrated, comming back, and whuppin ass. fairly boring
Marle grows up a bit but its a typical "my father is a douchebag" attitude to "my father is sort of a douchebag but he's also not a dumbass"
Lucca has the bit with her mom, but by and large we don't track her changes, she starts out a nerd, ends up a nerd with a bigger gun
Ayla likes to hit stuff, that dosen't change that much
Robo starts out a good robot, ends up a good robot who found out that all this time he's been disobeying his programming, and then responds with "fuck you" to mama brain.
Frog (my favorite) on the other hand starts out as a little kid who's a pacifist because even though he's damn good at it (storyline wise, gameplay i actually find him to be on the lower tier, chrono mags and robo are my smackdown party), cause he dosent wanna hurt people. then cyrus gets killed and glenn turns into frog and becomes sworn protecter/revenge knight on mags (with a bit of emo depression thrown in, but he dosen't get toooooo wangsty). eventually he learns that sometimes hitting people in the face with a nice sword is less about hurting and more about protecting and goes off to go stab cthulhu in the face with a shiney sword.
magus we first see as a generic monster/wizard thing. and we think at first he's nothing more than a really tricky halfway boss. then we find out that "oh shit, he's not lavos's creator after all, he was summoning him for some purpose or another" (we don't find out immediately that he wants to summon lavos to dark matter the shit out of him). then we meet him again (although we don't know it) both as kid janus and as the prophet. we find out kid janus is huuuuuuuuuuuuugely dependant on his sister, even if he is sort of a douche. then WHAM! the ocean palace goes to shit, lavos royally fucks up everyone's day, and then we find out that magus and janus are the same person, and that magus had his goals aligned with the party's all along (and to think, if they had just talked they could have saved alot of lightning bolts to the face on both ends).
now that's a bit of a character arc
plus it don't hurt that he's got the coolest spells in the game
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yes, magus is cool.
(http://th01.deviantart.net/fs9/150/i/2006/142/e/e/springtime_of_youth____by_Padmouse.jpg)
Best bump ever.
~V_Translanka
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Yeah Magus has the best story... but he had something missing and was any cool skills with his scythe...
I was always wondering when he will use some physical attack... ended up having the best and strogest magic in the game.
But still... i was dissapointed LOL
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Is Magus really all that cool? Absolutely! And even with his established character development, he still has a lot of potential for growth. This is why you see so much fan-fiction and fan-art devoted to him. It's well deserved.
Magus was never really given a sense of closure in the canon games, so any true sequel or resolution to Chrono Cross (whether it's in the form of a new Square/Enix game or a fan-fic) would have to focus on him pretty heavily.
I don't think many would disagree.
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Magus is pretty awesome, but it is quite irksome when people say that he is the best character in CT. I prefer Robo or Chrono to Magus :D
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Magus is cool, but I can understand the original poster's point. Some fans do seem to deem him as "the most awesome character ever" and that does get annoying. As good as his personal story is, you really don't get to see that much actual development of the character if he joins your party. Then again, as memorable as all the Chrono Trigger characters are, most of them are one-dimensional and static. What attention Magus gets in the game only makes him better by default.
It's weird, but I usually tend to dislike characters of the same archetype (The "proud, tough, standoffish, selfish powerhouse who holds no compassion") but then again, at least with Magus, at least there are some hints that his outlook and words, while harsh, don't speak as loudly as his actions. That and the fact that since he was one of the first I encountered, it wasn't something I hadn't gotten sick of.
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i only want to said.....FORGET WHAT ALL THOSE PEOPLE SAID!!!..MAGUS IS THE BEST!!!...XD....just kidding......i think all people like him because of his mysterious past
..i like that too...but my favorite character is lucca....is only an opinion..if you don't like too much Magus...no problem.....
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BUT HE IS COOL!!!...XD
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Then again, as memorable as all the Chrono Trigger characters are, most of them are one-dimensional and static. What attention Magus gets in the game only makes him better by default.
That's not to say that some of the characters are given a backstory that one observes (Frog, Magus) and can even alter (Lucca). CT is what you would call an "Ensemble Game", where all the characters are worked into the story to be given equal screen time (for lack of a better word).
It's weird, but I usually tend to dislike characters of the same archetype (The "proud, tough, standoffish, selfish powerhouse who holds no compassion") but then again, at least with Magus, at least there are some hints that his outlook and words, while harsh, don't speak as loudly as his actions. That and the fact that since he was one of the first I encountered, it wasn't something I hadn't gotten sick of.
It those character archetypes that allow us to identify ourselves with a specific character in a story. Archetypes like the Callow Youth, or the World-Weary Swashbuckler, the Damsel (not always in Distress) , or the Old Wise Man are just a few examples. Your personality is bound in fall into an archetype somewhere, and in this case, we are somehow drawn to the "proud, tough, standoffish, selfish powerhouse who holds no compassion" called Magus. That's what makes him cool; our ability to see him as "cool".
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Magus has the most interesting backstory, definitely, so that makes him cool. I can see the "overrated" comment though. He's in my team when strong magic is needed but still I prefer my Crono, Ayla and Robo team, for me they kick ass best.
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Until later in the game, I didn't really like Magus that much, but, when I learned that he was in fact Janus, and that he wanted to summon Lavos in an attempt to destroy it, he started to seem pretty cool, to me
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Wow, old topic, but I see people are still replying. :)
My opinion on him varies. He's fun to have in the group once in a while, but I usually have Frog defeat him in the end. :) I'd probably keep him more often if there was less people to begin with...though I wouldn't want to get rid of anyone.
I agree it can be tiring to hear everyone act likes he's the best, but it depends the situation and how they feel about other characters. If it's outside of a normal Chrono Trigger situation, it's neat to see CT acknowledged. However, it's annoying when say he's talked about greatly while everyone else is put down.
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... but I usually have Frog defeat him in the end.
Hah, they should make the fight tougher to give me a gameplay wise reason not to kill him but sadly because Lavos weakened him much, even Frog himself can defeat him easily.
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Wow, old topic, but I see people are still replying.
Well, it is a sticky topic.
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Yeah, should we unsticky?
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Nah, it's a great ice breaker for new members, and always seems to spark some sort of discussion whenever someone comments. It's easy for people to get very opinionated about Magus. It's like the practice run before getting into other analysis threads.
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I always thought Magus was pretty awesome, even before I learned his backstory. It's probably my favorite boss fight in the game because of just how long it takes to actually get at him and the weird and crazy things he does (when I first played and couldn't do Delta Storm, his Shadow attacks were REALLY strange to behold; and who else can change which elements he absorbs?).
And his music is like the best boss theme ever (you can keep your One Winged Angel).
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And his music is like the best boss theme ever (you can keep your One Winged Angel).
AMEN!
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... but I usually have Frog defeat him in the end.
Hah, they should make the fight tougher to give me a gameplay wise reason not to kill him but sadly because Lavos weakened him much, even Frog himself can defeat him easily.
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You have a good point. His magic in general is kind of pathetic. First time you fight him, he's very powerful. Then the characters get stronger, and by the time you get him, he's weaker not just weaker than he started, but he's weaker than any of your current character. He should at least be on the same level as them.
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He hasn't had to level up to defeat bosses like Crono & Co. did...Magus just had to deal with pathetic 600AD humans and a lot of mostly comical Mystics...I wish he still had that Geyser attack and the ability to absorb w/e Magic type he wanted though...Lavos Is an Asshole should be another thread...>_>
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I kept saying it before and I'll say it again. The "Magus was weakened by Lavos" talk is nothing but pure misconception. Magus was never actually "weakened", though perhaps "wounded" or "tired". Even so, that did not really hinder his skills. If he really was weakened and had his techs taken away from Lavos then two things would have definitely happened.
1) Crono and co would also have had their techs taken away
2) Magus would have obtained those techs later on since at the climax he was much more powerful than the Mystic Wars incident.
What makes this different is simple: Magus needed quite a lot of time and resources to prepare for the summoning and his battle against Lavos. He needed defense, offense, and good elemental/shadow support to back him up, and if it really took him ages to prepare and master then such strategy can't be conjured up in an instant out of his armpits. LOL
Kato was well aware of the principles of sorcery. For those who know em too, take a closer look at his chance, his techs, barrier and that pentacle he's standing in. You'll see what I mean.
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I kept saying it before and I'll say it again. The "Magus was weakened by Lavos" talk is nothing but pure misconception. Magus was never actually "weakened", though perhaps "wounded" or "tired". Even so, that did not really hinder his skills. If he really was weakened and had his techs taken away from Lavos then two things would have definitely happened.
1) Crono and co would also have had their techs taken away
2) Magus would have obtained those techs later on since at the climax he was much more powerful than the Mystic Wars incident.
What makes this different is simple: Magus needed quite a lot of time and resources to prepare for the summoning and his battle against Lavos. He needed defense, offense, and good elemental/shadow support to back him up, and if it really took him ages to prepare and master then such strategy can't be conjured up in an instant out of his armpits. LOL
Kato was well aware of the principles of sorcery. For those who know em too, take a closer look at his chance, his techs, barrier and that pentacle he's standing in. You'll see what I mean.
Magus: Aaah!! 魔王「うぐ……！！ Magus: ugh......!!
My powers are being drained! ま、魔力が…… M, my magical power......
吸い取られてゆく……！？[END] It's being sucked away......!?
This shows Magus being drained in some way. It wasn't just a "MP Buster" sort of situation (because they had an animation for that; not that that is particularly conclusive) and this does not happen to the rest of Crono and Co suggesting that they do not necessarily have to lose their techs just because Magus does. They just get Rain of Destructioned until they pass out.
Here's the visual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ5_Wgv2KhA
Begins around the 8 minute mark.
It looks like a handy plot device, but it happened. I can buy that certain things (the Elemental Shields, the Geyser) were dependent on preparation in the castle, but you're suggesting that a great chunk of Magus's power was based on it by this logic. Magus may have spent his childhood and adulthood away from the insane creatures that Crono encounters but he still had plenty of time to actually learn these techs. He was clearly proficient in other magic outside of his castle (killing Cyrus, splitting the Masamune in two, turning Glenn into a frog), along with however many humans he may have slaughtered in the war.
I'm not saying Medieval occultism does not play a part in the story (reading about pentacles is actually particularly interesting and does provide a new spin on it), but not at the expense of basic story mechanics.
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:lol: Actually the "drain" may have merely been something more powerful than MP Buster, but there are spells that trigger such effect to weaken foes (assumed real life/storybook spells, that is). But indeed that proves why Magus is weaker in his second bout against Glenn.
Even so, the "spells" such as the barrier and Geyser have nothing to with the powers sucked away from him. Magic requires knowledge, experience and will, and it can't be taken away just like that unless his powers were bound indefinitely, taking away his magic forever. The skills and barriers you've noticed is clearly the result of the resources available and calculated preparations (which Kato obviously left out, coz there are children playing this game; yet he left enough hints for the rest to find out, in CT, CC and RD).
As for Magus staying away from battles compared to Crono; how could you possibly think that? Rationally speaking, he's spent his whole LIFE in the Medieval ages, and a human in the midst of Fiends is not something common. He had to prove himself to them, and it certainly wasn't a show of fireworks. He had to battle intensely, prove himself to be worthy of the title "Magus", and had many challenges before him. He had to be the BEST! Don't you think that's obvious enough?
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Lavos didn't take Magus' knowledge of the spells away, just his ability to perform them. There was one Final Fantasy game that had a situation similar to this, I think it was 9. When your summoner's abilities were unlocked, she knew all the summon spells there were. Problem is, the MP required for those spells was higher than her max MP at the time. She knew the spells and incantations, but she didn't have the power to back it up. That's kind of what happened here. Magus still knew his spells, but his mana pool (or whatever you want to call it) was drained. He still had the knowledge, but the muscle had atrophied.
EDIT: A better real world example: Sports.
I used to play on the basketball team in elementary school. I was pretty fit and well trained, and I knew all the plays and strategies. As soon as I left that school I quit playing basketball. In the ensuing years, I lost the ability to play basketball well. I'm not as fit as I used to be, and I certainly don't have the energy to go running up and down the court anymore. I remember a lot of the basic rules, although I've forgotten most of the finer details. That loss of stamina, energy, and muscle could be likened to Magus' loss of magical strength. If Geyser and the barrier spells were more complicated and finicky than his basic spells (like the finer details of basketball, compared to the ground rules), he could have forgotten how to do them for lack of use.
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I see what you mean, Zephira, that may apply to "some" things but not all. You see, Geyser may be a complex spell but not as complex and powerful as Dark Matter. If Lavos indeed took away his abilities to perform those spells, and Magus was able to re-adapt his mastery of Dark Matter, then why not Geyser? And instead of Magical elemental barriers, he uses Magic Wall?
Let me explain the reasoning behind the Elemental Barriers he uses against Lavos/Crono in 600AD. Not many kids would wanna see "science" behind a video game thus I last posted about... yeah... in one of the forums that's uninteresting to children below 13, but I'll try to keep at as basic as possible here.
Ever heard of the Enochian Sorcery? Or perhaps the Keys of Solomon? Ordinarily a summoning takes quite an amount of time and concentration to pull of correctly, and the entities of power that a sorcerer extracts beyond time and space is directly proportional to the sorcerer's ability. Even so, there's no guarantee if the entities, who have been summoned against their will, would submit to their summoners or attack them. In which case, two things essential things are needed.
1) Incenses - These may influence the kinds of entities that are summoned in various ways. Some may anger them, or some may subdue. The cleverest sorcerer would pre-plan and use them more like a sedative. Of course, this won't work against Lavos.
2) Pentacle - Contrast to what modern sorcery teaches, the circle is a form of order, and the center being the power. The most basic of pentacles hold elemental energy at certain points, but the most complex ones (if drawn properly) will give the sorcerer as much control over the elements within the circle. The reason for this is simple - protection. The sorcerer channels the elements of earth, water, wind and fire and surrounds himself within the barrier when he focuses the void beyond it, splitting light completely.
I mean think of it this way. You have seen Ozzie prepare a legion of zombies and demons, most notably Zombor which steals its victims bodies after killing them. Those demons actually resemble the "Ghuls" category of the Djinni/Dream Demons. Now, if Janus was to combine the Zealian Forms and Mystic Dark Arts, what would it lead him to? Lavos, of course! But just for that he needs to "survive that darkness". There have been many powerful entities he may have faced just to be strong enough to challenge Lavos's wrath.
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:lol: Actually the "drain" may have merely been something more powerful than MP Buster, but there are spells that trigger such effect to weaken foes (assumed real life/storybook spells, that is). But indeed that proves why Magus is weaker in his second bout against Glenn.
Even so, the "spells" such as the barrier and Geyser have nothing to with the powers sucked away from him. Magic requires knowledge, experience and will, and it can't be taken away just like that unless his powers were bound indefinitely, taking away his magic forever. The skills and barriers you've noticed is clearly the result of the resources available and calculated preparations (which Kato obviously left out, coz there are children playing this game; yet he left enough hints for the rest to find out, in CT, CC and RD).
As for Magus staying away from battles compared to Crono; how could you possibly think that? Rationally speaking, he's spent his whole LIFE in the Medieval ages, and a human in the midst of Fiends is not something common. He had to prove himself to them, and it certainly wasn't a show of fireworks. He had to battle intensely, prove himself to be worthy of the title "Magus", and had many challenges before him. He had to be the BEST! Don't you think that's obvious enough?
I did not say that Magus stayed away from battles. I meant simply that he wasn't going around fighting robots and Zealian crazies (lancers, evil queens, etc). What I was saying is that he had plenty of opportunity growing up to fight the various creatures that the 600 era had to offer, long enough to train up enough to perfect abilities like Dark Matter which he is perfectly capable of before Lavos drains him and after he trains again.
I don't take much more issue with your points with these last two posts. I just thought that you were implying that certain techs of Magus (like Dark Matter) were based on his position in the Castle (assisted by things like the sigil on the floor) rather than on his own innate skill/ability. I take no issue with your statement about Geyser and the Barriers because that makes sense (he has them there in the castle, but doesn't recover them later like he recovered Dark Matter).
As it is, I like Zephira's analogy. I think this debate raises some questions though about tech learning. Where techs are representative gameplay elements and where are they aspects of the story?
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Dude, not even Crono and co have been fighting Zealians or any sort before they meet Magus. Robots are of different matter, but what Magus has gone through are much worse than just insentient Robots. He has faced much more horrifying foes to achieve his goal (did you forget his "survival of darkness"?) Of course, you're right, he hasn't been around in many eras save Zeal and 600 AD.
And I never said that Dark Matter required Sigils, just the Elemental Barrier (and perhaps even Geyser). Of course, an amateur sorcerer WOULD require a specific pentacle to summon the void at a marked point to create a counter-space-time vortex, but those who have summoned demons before don't need to do so, especially those who have mastered Shadow Arts. In short -- Summoning may require a pentacle, while creating void or teleporting does not necessarily need one, which is exactly why Magus is capable of using Dark Matter with sheer will, form and incantation.
This has been done in various games, not just CT. Many techs and weapons have only been specific scene elements, and Elemental Barrier is of such kind. Most Djinn/Dream Demons are creatures of Shadow, Wind and Fire, and they cannot sustain their essence in material world for long, especially in a circular and ordered barrier where the natural elements are most concentrated, which provides best defense for Magus. He supposed such a barrier would also protect him against Lavos, but his will and concentration was not strong enough and thus his summoning was countered and thus he was pulled in.
Once I release an early audible of the second movie of Fleabane Trilogy, you'll know what I mean. And yeah, it has A LOT to do with Janus in 600 AD.
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Alright, w/e you choose to believe is fine and you can take my statements as completely unrelated. I wish Magus had all of his abilities seen (elemental barriers, geyser & sure, why not the frog spell too just for kicks? the FF series has it every so often...he even seems to use Lightning 1 on Cyrus, leading me to believe that Cyrus wouldn't even have been mid-boss level in comparison to what Crono & Co. dealt with). Lavos is an asshole. I think the script shows as stated that Lavos IS at least somewhat responsible (the frog spell plus others I'm sure he has are probably just spells he chooses not to use because how often are you going to need to turn someone into a frog, right?), but I know that it's all more probably chalked up to game mechanics.
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Magus is cool in the sense that unlike most villains who join your party, he doesn't change. You just happen to have the same goal as him at this moment. It's a kinda like Vegeta in DBZ comparatively to Piccolo who really becomes good.
Would Magus have been the same if you learned that Cyrus wasn't actually killed (just teleported in a jail) ? If Ozzie was actually forcing him to fight Guardia with mind control ? If he reverted Frog back to human ? If he became a Paladin like Cecil ?
Nah, Magus isn't that folks. He doesn't choose good or evil only what is useful depending on the situation.
However, in battle, he isn't all that cool. Dark Matter is the weakest last spell in the game if my memory is correct. No double techs, only a few triple techs. Sure, Omega Flare is the most powerful attack, but it doesn't involve a very balanced party.
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Any party with Robo is automatically balanced.
When you first get Magus, his Magic and level are going to be higher than the party's unless you didn't avoid many battles or something...and besides Robo is the only character that has access to multiple (all) Magic elements.
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Any party with Robo is automatically balanced.
When you first get Magus, his Magic and level are going to be higher than the party's unless you didn't avoid many battles or something...and besides Robo is the only character that has access to multiple (all) Magic elements.
In term of potential damage Luminaire and Flare totally overpower dark matter. When I had a perfect game with ** in all possible stats (that is until my cartridge began deleting saves) Luminaire's base damage was about 4000 and Dark Matter was only 2500. Flare was about 3500. I must say I was disappointed by Magus because of this. Sure, he started with more magic to balance this, but that killed a lot of his potential. The problem with the Robo, Magus and Lucca party is the lack of heal. Heal beam is a good support but lacks the effectiveness of double cure, cure wave, and all double techs that healed everyone, though I must admit that CT is an easy game that doesn't require that much healing !
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Magus' Magic is still impressive in that he seemingly had to overcome a lot in order to use it at all...whereas Crono & Co. had their Magic unlocked by a God (? I forget if that was 'bunked as a Woosley or the other way around, but still...! God or not, Spekkio is still a mighty, outside force) because they learned how to walk and turn right (holy crap, Spekkio turned them into runway models!!) and, again, boss battles Magus didn't have to help him level early on in his Magical endeavors (as far as we know, anyway)...
As for Team Omega Flare's "problem"...What's so effective about wasting two characters' turns (turns that could go into attacking with single techs or a good attacking double tech) instead of just one? And I'm never down enough to need 999 healing for the whole team anyways. Heal Beam saves your butt when you need it, and although it won't bring you up to perfection, it'll still leave you with enough to survive after those rare Hallation attacks...Granted Robo's slow, but the Speed stat is the easiest to compensate for...I personally don't go for a team based on Triple Techs, though, especially since the single targeting ones with Ayla do the most damage (I think that's right anyway)...but my team is Omega Flare when Crono is elsewhere....(or when I feel like hearing Magus quotes...!)...
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Magus goes from a borderline lawful-evil to a chaotic-neutral personality throughout all of Trigger. I think, for me anyway, it was that Chrono Trigger was the first game I ever played where the clear distinction of a villain became a hero. I also found his sprite animations extremely cool being a young kid. I think many of us actually DO look at Magus with some subjectivity, but that just goes to represent the affect it has had on us and how strongly we all feel about these games and these characters. =)
EDIT: Well technically Golbez did become a good guy in FF4, but it just isn't the same level of epic as Trigger. I DO find Golbez and even Kain to be some of the best characters on par with Magus for cool sprites, dark and chaotic personalities, and cool names =P.
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I don't really feel like reading the 29-odd pages of this. But I'm going to have to go with the sentiments of the topic creator.
I never used the guy for Final Battles. He was an interesting replacement to Chrono, but not usually in my final party.
I'm also on the small bandwagon of people who don't really find the "I'm cool" archetypes all too 'cool'. I find their act tiresome and boring. I don't know what the world see in FFX's Auron. What a bore.
"We. call. him. sin." - gotta love the sunglasses he tacks on with it.
Don't get me wrong, it's always cool to see a bad guy join the good guys - Magus does have some flare to him. And I can see how he's a fanfic writer's wet dream because of the huge potential within the character; but I still find him pretty incomplete - and emphasizes how incomplete and in-need the series is of a new title to help him out.
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Yes, but one of the main things about Magus is that you learn that all along he really wasn't such a bad guy after all...NOW READ 29 PAGES OF FAN GUSHING~!! :P
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Yes, but one of the main things about Magus is that you learn that all along he really wasn't such a bad guy after all...NOW READ 29 PAGES OF FAN GUSHING~!! :P
Oh lord, not after I just said he's "over-rated" in so many words haha
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Wow I really just read all of that. Kinda surprising it wasn't more favored towards Magus to be honest. Me personally, I like Magus but I was always bothered by his random change of heart by telling the crew about saving Crono. Yes you could say that they shared a common goal, but why would he care about bringing Crono back? He himself said Crono was weak.
You got whacked, 'cuz you're weak.
I always liked that line. But anyways, most likely he just thought having Crono on the team was going to be helpful for both their causes. I'm still not convinced.
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You got whacked, 'cuz you're weak.
Now did he actually mean that line, or was he just trying to insult Crono for the heck of it? Look at it from an angry wizard's point of view: He showed a moment of weakness in admitting that he needed these people's help (by joining them), and that was probably a major hit to his ego. Especially after losing a battle he had spent at least a decade preparing for. So, once Crono is alive and the team's gaining steam, Magus starts tossing around insults to make it feel like he's still in control.
Magus also mentioned that he would kill the team if they ever got in his way, and that never happened, so he must not believe they're actually weak.
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I can't believe this thread is still alive and stickied.
Magus is da best cause he is da coolest
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I'm really getting tired of everyone saying that magus is the best character in either of the Chrono games.
I'm really getting tired of how out of every 5 CT fanfics I read, at least 3 center around him.
Am I really the only one who isn't freaking obsessed with Magus? I mean, come on! Sure, he's cool and all, and he's Schala's little brother, but in the end he's just BORING. He has very little Personal Development, and he always acts all stuck up, like he's better than everyone else.
AND HIS HAIR IS PURPLE >:U
Tbh hes hair is blue if its not blue its gray. and Magus is surely Overpowered when you first get him he starts with a good amount of magic,hes character is not like any another would.
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You got whacked, 'cuz you're weak.
Now did he actually mean that line, or was he just trying to insult Crono for the heck of it? Look at it from an angry wizard's point of view: He showed a moment of weakness in admitting that he needed these people's help (by joining them), and that was probably a major hit to his ego. Especially after losing a battle he had spent at least a decade preparing for. So, once Crono is alive and the team's gaining steam, Magus starts tossing around insults to make it feel like he's still in control.
Magus also mentioned that he would kill the team if they ever got in his way, and that never happened, so he must not believe they're actually weak.
I don't see it that way at all. He realizes without his full powers (after being drained) he has no chance of defeating Lavos. He would have to spend another twenty or so years to regain that strength, and by then he'll be nearly fifty. Not really a good age to be trying to solo Lavos. He sees this group of powerful warriors (They beat him already once) that also got wrecked. Much like his association with the Mystics when he was sent back to 600 it was completely for his own gain. Yes, he helped revive Crono. I thought of that more as a "Hey I'll help you out so you can trust me in the group" more so than anything else.
I definitely do not see it as some giant change of character where he realizes he isn't as powerful as he thought he was and becomes nicer and blah blah blah. I always saw it as him coming to terms to the fact that Lavos was far more powerful than he even imagined. 7 against 1 is way better than 1 on 1. Magus is such a cold calculating person. The only time where he really let emotions affect his decision making is when he "spared" the group when he was the prophet.
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However, the real heart of the matter still bugged me. "You know, for a bunch of people you think are weak, stupid and useless, you sure keep hanging around. Why did you really let me come with you? And Crono? And everybody? If all you wanted was the Gate Key, you had a million chances to just take it. I know there has to be some other reason."
It wasn't something that just occurred to me; it was something I'd been wondering since he joined our team in the first place. In all our travels together, the best explanation I could fathom was his recognition that we were the only people both brainsy and ballsy AND crazy and stupid enough to take on Lavos, and that put him in the right crowd. I knew that whatever the reason, it was as fragile as any of Magus's alliances, and I had never contemplated it further out of the fear that seeking the answer would push him to desert us-or worse. And yet, now that Lavos was gone and no further explanations were forthcoming, this was the first time I actually got the nerve to ask him myself.
If I couldn't see any better, I'd mistake that twitch for a grin, a teasing little thing. "You're not unilaterally stupid and useless. The cavewoman has uses. The frog isn't stupid."
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Wow I really just read all of that. Kinda surprising it wasn't more favored towards Magus to be honest. Me personally, I like Magus but I was always bothered by his random change of heart by telling the crew about saving Crono. Yes you could say that they shared a common goal, but why would he care about bringing Crono back? He himself said Crono was weak.
You got whacked, 'cuz you're weak.
I always liked that line. But anyways, most likely he just thought having Crono on the team was going to be helpful for both their causes. I'm still not convinced.
I always sort of saw it as his (Magus) wanting to know it (the use of the Time Egg) was possible. He even got to see Schala again...but to Magus, first thing's first: taking down Lavos...as for that line, was there a de-Woosley'd version or was that the basic sentiment in the original script as well...?
Oh, and for some reason I want Lucca's middle name to be Eleanor now, maggiekarp...
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...as for that line, was there a de-Woosley'd version or was that the basic sentiment in the original script as well...?
"You got whacked, 'cuz you're weak." --> "Your death was thanks to your weakness."
That's from the retranslation script. Personally, I think the left is more humorous.
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I'd buy the "Magus wanted to see if it worked" theory, but he tells you about it even if you kill him.
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I'm also on the small bandwagon of people who don't really find the "I'm cool" archetypes all too 'cool'. I find their act tiresome and boring.
See, I personally don't see Magus as someone playing off the "I'm cool" act. Thinking back on my impression of the character, I find him to be someone who had lost all faith in humanity after being betrayed by someone he used to hold in high regards (his mother). As a child, stuff like that seems to stick with you. After this he gets taken in and eventually worshiped by the mystics, which are basically monsters, he in turn becomes something of a "monster" himself. Because he grew up in such an environment, he doesn't seem to have basic human social skills. This leaves him to come off as being a "douche" or putting on the act of "I'm cool" whereas instead he just doesn't know how to civilly communicate with non-mystics. Him deciding to help out with resurrecting Crono could be him putting aside his hatred and coming to terms with himself.
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When I was younger, I used to think Magus was the coolest character ever. Going back and re-playing the game when I'm older and have a greater sense of the moral weight of people's actions, he seems a lot less appealing. I mean, he manipulates an entire race of people and starts a devastating war to satisfy his own personal ends - know anyone in real-world history like that? Being older and more cynical now, I'm far less inclined to forgive such actions on the basis of having had a really crappy childhood.
That said, I think one of the touching things about the story is Magus's gradual redemption, and the way in which it slowly and subtly comes to the surface that he is not, in fact, as much of a monster as he tries to act like he is. I also really liked the new ending in Chrono Trigger DS, and I think it represents a critical evolution in his character. [SPOILER ALERT] Schala's rejection of his attempts to free her forces him to accept the fact that his nihilistic pursuit of power is ultimately a dead end, and to confront how twisted he has become since he was the young boy whom Schala knew when she was herself. It's a pretty interesting irony - his crimes have led to him being helpless in the only thing he ever truly wanted to accomplish, and to redeem himself he starts all over again. How do I explain this...? Eh. I'll try tomorrow.
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I always sort of saw it as his (Magus) wanting to know it (the use of the Time Egg) was possible. He even got to see Schala again...but to Magus, first thing's first: taking down Lavos...as for that line, was there a de-Woosley'd version or was that the basic sentiment in the original script as well...?
Oh, and for some reason I want Lucca's middle name to be Eleanor now, maggiekarp...
Wouldn't you think that if he had any inclination that it did work that he would have used it to save Schala? If you have Magus with you when you make the switch he says something along the lines of "What a waste, nothing is changed at all." I don't have the script in front of me since I'm at work but I know he says something near to that. So, with that wouldn't you think that he would just find Gaspar himself and try and convince him to use the egg on Schala?
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I am all for Magus and everything, but the thing I don't get is the love for Schala. :?
Thats hes Sister Pretty Much hes sister was the only one he liked also hes Cat named alfador too
He wanted to get revenge to Lavos for putting him in 600 A.D
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Magus' Magic is still impressive in that he seemingly had to overcome a lot in order to use it at all...whereas Crono & Co. had their Magic unlocked by a God (? I forget if that was 'bunked as a Woosley or the other way around, but still...! God or not, Spekkio is still a mighty, outside force) because they learned how to walk and turn right (holy crap, Spekkio turned them into runway models!!) and, again, boss battles Magus didn't have to help him level early on in his Magical endeavors (as far as we know, anyway)...
As for Team Omega Flare's "problem"...What's so effective about wasting two characters' turns (turns that could go into attacking with single techs or a good attacking double tech) instead of just one? And I'm never down enough to need 999 healing for the whole team anyways. Heal Beam saves your butt when you need it, and although it won't bring you up to perfection, it'll still leave you with enough to survive after those rare Hallation attacks...Granted Robo's slow, but the Speed stat is the easiest to compensate for...I personally don't go for a team based on Triple Techs, though, especially since the single targeting ones with Ayla do the most damage (I think that's right anyway)...but my team is Omega Flare when Crono is elsewhere....(or when I feel like hearing Magus quotes...!)...
You are Most correct on some parts,Ayla is really strong Spekkio is not really that strong and i would recommend to do Double cure Why? because if you do double cure and fighting Lavos Core he will hit a 836 maybe even higher. Spekkio is not Really Tough The Pink Nu form is hard, Not just hard,Extremely Hard, with a solo it would take about 25 minutes or even half a hour.
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When I was younger, I used to think Magus was the coolest character ever.
i am just like you I still like Magus Because of hes Magic, Hes Ultimate Technique Is Awesome i wish Magus Robo And Crono and a triple technique where they only use there ultimate Technique's
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Wow, 30 pages 0__o If i´m allowed I´ll post my comment.
Mmm, the first time I played the game I picked Magus for some dungeons, I thought he was great >__< but... in battle it´s just much as the others characters, he only has magical attacks and a protection, and only one target -.-. His weapon and the fact that he cannot use double and triple techniques makes him a solo character, although he´s not the best for a solo n__n
His past is really what it impacts; having fought him first, having the party against him and especially Frog. I actually thought he was a cool characters, I mean, he can fly! (Yay xD) And his mood, his cool weapon, his style (his hair is amazing :3) makes him a first-sight cool character (I´m not sure if it says like that :P).
I have played several times, changing characters along the story but I only put Magus to learn his techs and get him off my party. I don´t dislike him, in fact, I like him, but in battle he isn´t really useful and he doesn´t have the attractive personality that have Lucca or Ayla.
But it´s just my opinion =D
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a couple things:
First off, to KebreI: If you have never had just one family member worth a sh--, then you probably won't understand this. Schala raised Janus, not Queen Zeal. Schala was the warm one who shared in Janus' successes and failures. She was his shoulder to cry on, his handkerchief to wipe his nose and more than likely the only person Janus really got to play with due to his royal upbringing, before he got stuffed into the Middle Ages. To Janus, the boy, Schala is Sister/Mother/Goddess/Friend/etc. To Magus, the man, she is the one thing left pure in his life, when all else has ever been taken from him and ripped to shreds, he had the memory of his Schala to keep him going. Her support was enough that he never forgot it in all of his years of being made the monster by the mystics.
as for the growing argument about why Magus joined the group, helped them bring Crono back, I have a few theories based on Magus' Personality. First off, Magus is aloof, so he doesn't always say the things he wants to say. He comes off as cold, unfeeling and callous, yet he isn't those things. He feels remorse for his actions, yet is too prideful to apologize. He calls Crono and Co. weak because he sees them doing things that he considers to be weak, yet is confused when they succeed and he fails.
If at all anything, curiousity about the strength found in such weakness would make Magus aspire to view firsthand how they worked. A conscience would be another reason. Perhaps Magus felt the tiniest of pangs of remorse for all the evil he had done in his pursuit of destroying Lavos. Perhaps he felt sorry for ruining Glenn's life and Cyrus' and finally Crono's and wished to make it up with his death. He offers no resistance when you choose to kill him, except for the mandatory 'fight for your life' thing.
Magus doesn't fear death, which means that he has nothing lose. He has nothing to lose by Glenn killing him at the cape there. He has nothing to lose from joining up with them, yet he stands to learn so much more about how they work together and make strengths of their weaknesses; he has a chance to settle up with Lavos with a good group of strong fighters, and he stands a chance to redeem himself with the information that Crono can be revived. I don't think Magus sits too well on ruining the lives of three great swordsmen. There has to be a sort of respect there, even with the insults.
Really, just things to consider. Magus never really was the bad guy, he was just never really the good guy, either. He traveled whatever roads lead to his ultimate goal: the destruction of Lavos. I'm sure that to a haunted man such as him, anything other than revenge would have been an unexpected bonus.
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I'm really getting tired of everyone saying that magus is the best character in either of the Chrono games.
I'm really getting tired of how out of every 5 CT fanfics I read, at least 3 center around him.
Am I really the only one who isn't freaking obsessed with Magus? I mean, come on! Sure, he's cool and all, and he's Schala's little brother, but in the end he's just BORING. He has very little Personal Development, and he always acts all stuck up, like he's better than everyone else.
AND HIS HAIR IS PURPLE >:U
Actually its Blue Haired
Quote From Glenn
"Whither the Blue Haired One"
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His hair is blue in the game but I've loved pictures where he has blue, purple, white, whatever hair.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/maggiekarp/poshul/witherwhither.png)
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whos picture?
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So has Magus ever raped?
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So has Magus ever raped?
Don't start that again!
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No. He's not. Takes up a slot and doesn't perform nearly as much damage as some of the other characters. You see his past and his story but he joins the party at a time where the game is nearly concluded and he doesn't offer all that much to the plot at that point beyond telling you that you can revive Crono.
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True, a lot of people complain that Magus doesn't really develop as a character once he joins your party, he's just kind of whiny and doesn't even try to redeem himself. I think the development and redemption are there, but they're really downplayed and subtle. Whenever he's in your party he usually has something useful to say, meaning even if he doesn't particularly care about the task at hand he's willing to help, and at the end you can tell he sort of is starting to open up and care about things besides himself.
We were created only to be harvested. All people... ...and all living things...
..... It's over for you... Your life ends here!
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Oh, and for some reason I want Lucca's middle name to be Eleanor now, maggiekarp...
Off topic, but I kind of like this idea. Can I use that name for my novel project? I'll probably only mention it in passing, though. Maybe during Crono's trial.
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I think it'd be okay as long as you credit Myshu for the idea.
Anyhoo
Magus: Aaah!!
My powers are being drained!
"How does that feel, shadow walker? Have you felt my web start to drain your
life energy yet?" Lynx says, smiling ominously.
"Grrrrr...!!"
How come Magus is so weak against draining attacks :I
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In Lavos' case, yeah, it has been always absorbing the energy of the Planet...
As for Lynx's light light web/rope trick, it could be that Magus' shadow innate is weak against light.
The original script was like this:
"How does being tied down by the light feel, shadow man? Being inside it, can you absorb energy from the darkness?"
An ominous smile appears on Lynx's face.
"Dare to oppose me, now I shall grant you enough time to regret."
「光糸縛の味はどうだ、影男？
その中にいては、闇から力はひきだせ
まい？」
ヤマネコが不吉な笑みを浮かべる。
「よくも、このわたしにたてついたな。
後悔する時間だけは、たっぷりとくれて
やろう」
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Dang, I need to get a full script translation from you some time utunnels. That's a real eye opener.
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Hmm, well, not completely off. But just don't rely too much on details. :P
I'm not a good translator, sorry.
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You're good at getting the literal meaning out, but you need a writer's touch to turn it into an English phrase.
And the literal stuff is better for the technical aspects of stuff and finding out what different events happened
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I agree, I'd rather have a more literal translation. I enjoy it when a translator does not add/change/remove things from the story.
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Christmas Colored Candylight filled the orphanage as the door opened, revealing the elfin frame of a Toriyama wizard-twat dressed all in red and white. "I'm HERE, KIDS!" the figure crowed.
"UNCLE MAGUS!" Alfie the Crippled orphan's shout of joy was interrupted by the fresh cinnamon roll which Magus hurled into his mouth. More followed, a rain of pastries and cookies falling as the forsaken children felt, for a moment, wanted and loved.
"I've brought TOYS!" The figure said, whirling around, summoning a storm of dolls and teddies and trains. The children fell upon them, laughing with glee, but their laughter was eclipsed by that of the wizard.
Clicking his heels, he leapt into the air, floating across the room, shooting streamers of confetti from his fingertips. "I've found you all a family!" He announced, summoning twelve barking weiner dog puppies. "It's ME!"
"Hooray! Hooray for Uncle Magus! Merry Christmas to Uncle Magus!" the children shouted.
"A Merry Christmas indeed!" Korcha said. "And I wanna wishCHA all a good night!" Magus turned smoothly, punching him in the balls.
The End.
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...What.
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Christmas Colored Candylight filled the orphanage as the door opened, revealing the elfin frame of a Toriyama wizard-twat dressed all in red and white. "I'm HERE, KIDS!" the figure crowed.
"UNCLE MAGUS!" Alfie the Crippled orphan's shout of joy was interrupted by the fresh cinnamon roll which Magus hurled into his mouth. More followed, a rain of pastries and cookies falling as the forsaken children felt, for a moment, wanted and loved.
"I've brought TOYS!" The figure said, whirling around, summoning a storm of dolls and teddies and trains. The children fell upon them, laughing with glee, but their laughter was eclipsed by that of the wizard.
Clicking his heels, he leapt into the air, floating across the room, shooting streamers of confetti from his fingertips. "I've found you all a family!" He announced, summoning twelve barking weiner dog puppies. "It's ME!"
"Hooray! Hooray for Uncle Magus! Merry Christmas to Uncle Magus!" the children shouted.
"A Merry Christmas indeed!" Korcha said. "And I wanna wishCHA all a good night!" Magus turned smoothly, punching him in the balls.
The End.
how do unlock this ending
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Whoa, someone dared question one of the community's cornerstones! I understand the trepidation, but I guess my response would be this: 1) he's an archetype that is very appealing for a lot of reasons; 2) He is used so damn beautifully in the game.
Magus is cut straight from the Byronic cloth: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ByronicHero And I can see how that gets old, but the archetype is undeniably appealing. I love the almost humorous exaggeratedness of Magus: he doesn't bother to run because he's too freakin' good for the ground. He's a rockstar, with all the awesome-bordering-on-silliness that entails.
That's why the Byronic hero is appealing -- the sheer titanicness of him/her. Magus is a human who arrogantly dares to stand up to a force far greater than himself because that force took away something he loved. He is the product of the apex of humanity, Zeal Kingdom, who witnessed its fall and was changed by it, and now he follows no compass but his own. The intensity of the Byronic hero, his "posture" or "stance," is just compelling in and of itself. It's hard to rationalize except to say that it's an archetype for a reason.
I honestly don't see Magus as too remorseful. Judging by Ozzie and his exploits, I feel that the war with Guardia was going on longer than Magus had been in the Middle Ages-- his just gave Ozzie the advantage the Mystics needed to put the humans in a very difficult position. Chrono Cross influenced my view on the war, actually: the humans in that game are portrayed pretty negatively -- to an exaggerated extent-- so I feel like human prejudice must have been behind at least some of the conflict. And Cyrus, well-- I mean, it wasn't murder, really. Cyrus was going to try to kill Magus, wasn't he? Cyrus was surely noble, but in a duel, death is a little different, morally speaking. I see Magus as more of a Chaotic Neutral type. He seems dark and evil because the rest of the characters are very moral, happy-go-lucky types, but he's not really.
That's not to say Magus didn't do repulsive things, and that doesn't mean he doesn't change for the better. We discussed this in the Death Peak and Magus thread, but Magus shows signs of development from the North Cape onward that suggest he actually formed something akin to friendships with the others. In the least, he is the way that the game hammers home the point that you Cannot Do It Alone. As powerful as Magus is, he needs to join forces to win against Lavos.
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...As powerful as Magus is, he needs to join forces to win against Lavos.
Totally not true. At least, when he's level **, as proven by these (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWkzmAAZXuw) two (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DwnYB_4c_I&feature=related) videos. Yeah, the guy did a hack, but still. If Crono can do it, so can Magus. ;)
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...As powerful as Magus is, he needs to join forces to win against Lavos.
Totally not true. At least, when he's level **, as proven by these (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWkzmAAZXuw) two (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DwnYB_4c_I&feature=related) videos. Yeah, the guy did a hack, but still. If Crono can do it, so can Magus. ;)
Oh yeah, from a gameplay perspective, sure - any of the characters could I would imagine. But from a plot perspective, no.
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When are we gonna get Marle VS Lavos
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That would be a long fight. 8)
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The best parts are that she has Haste, and perhaps the most powerful single target healing spells in the game. Personally, I'd have the hardest time with Frog, because he's not quite as fast as Marle, even when they've all got ** speed, there's always a slight difference between their speeds. Ayla, Magus, Crono, Marle, Lucca, and Frog and Robo are kinda interchangeable. Robo would probably win the fight amazingly fast though, since he's got the Apocalypse Arm, and just give him some nice armor and the Dragon's Tear, and you'd pretty much insta-rape Lavos. Ayla is even more dangerous about that, since her critical rate is already astounding, and now that I've got her with the Bronze Fist, Lavos would be screwed. Crono's is easy enough, since he's got consistent damage rates and is more than fast enough to be able to slug down an elixir when he has to. Both his and Magus' magic kick ass, so the both of them would have no real problem and only have to take a little time to dip into their items. Either way, once you get up to certain levels, Lavos is just toast, no matter who you use.
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DK: Listen here's something to think about fanfic writers
DK: CANONICALLY
DK: Magus is a blonde who dies his hair
DK: which means the entire time he was being traumatized in guardia and raised to kill all humans, etc.
DK: He was staining his hair blue
maggiekarp: DK that isn't canon
maggiekarp: they never outright say it anyway
maggiekarp: just that Kid has blonde hair
DK: Like he went straight from crying because ozzie slapped his jowls to crushing blueberries with a mortar and pestle
maggiekarp: dk they never say that in chrono cross it is a myth D:
maggiekarp: stop it D:
IS IT TRUE?
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DK: Listen here's something to think about fanfic writers
DK: CANONICALLY
DK: Magus is a blonde who dies his hair
DK: which means the entire time he was being traumatized in guardia and raised to kill all humans, etc.
DK: He was staining his hair blue
maggiekarp: DK that isn't canon
maggiekarp: they never outright say it anyway
maggiekarp: just that Kid has blonde hair
DK: Like he went straight from crying because ozzie slapped his jowls to crushing blueberries with a mortar and pestle
maggiekarp: dk they never say that in chrono cross it is a myth D:
maggiekarp: stop it D:
IS IT TRUE?
I've heard SOMEWHERE that the Enlighten Ones dyed their hair blue in order to "separate them from the Earthbound Ones" but it was never in the game, at least the American version. I am not sure about the Japanese dialogged... and to be honest I've not read many fanfics with Magus or any other Enlightened One "dying" their hair... So I couldn't say I consider it canon.
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Personally, I find the notion of Zealians dying their hair a bit beneath them - at least through conventional means. In my story, when a Zealian chooses to change the color of their hair, they do so magically, often with the help of trained professionals dedicated to that task. The rituals actually change the genetic structure of an individual's hair so that it is, in effect, naturally whatever color they choose, be it blue, purple, green, or any other conventional or unconventional color. The transformation is so complete that the hair will continue to grow in that color for the rest of that person's life, unless it is changed again by another such ritual.
Changing hair color in this fashion is not commonly done, however, since Zeal's rigid caste system tends to limit a person's options. The ritual is most often performed when a Zealian from a lower caste marries into a higher one. The highest caste Zealians, such as the Imperial Family, typically have hair color in various shades of blue and silver. High officials (like General Dalton) are sometimes seen with golden or bronze-colored hair. Academics, adepts, or exceptionally gifted channelers (magic-users) from the lower castes typically have purple hair. Most of the men who have ascended to the status of Guru also had purple hair in their youth.
Over hundreds of thousands of years, the technique for changing natural hair color has become so refined that the process also effects hereditary descent. A man and a woman who were born with blonde hair and later changed that color to green are virtually assured of producing a child with green hair without any other additional rituals. Members of the Imperial Family and the higher castes have no need to perform these rituals at all. It is virtually unheard of for the highest castes to marry below the academic caste. Schala was born with blue hair and Janus was born with silver hair. (Kid is an entirely different matter which I won't get into here.)
When the Zealian Empire was destroyed in 12,000 B.G., the knowledge and the ability to magically change hair color was forever lost, and the few surviving pure-blooded Zealians were forced to begin marrying into Earthborn families in order to survive. Over thousands of years, the unconventional Zealian hair colors began to die out and were virtually extinct by Cedric's time. By the year 1000 G.D., only one person alive has a Zealian gene strong enough to produce a Zealian hair color – and that only through a genetic miracle by the union of Taban Ashtear and Lara Ellikson: their daughter Lucca Ashtear. It isn't until Lucca's journey to ancient Zeal that she learns the truth of her family's heritage.
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The best parts are that she (Marle) has Haste...
Sweet, her best trait makes her replaceable by a helmet!
...and perhaps the most powerful single target healing spells in the game.
Besides so-early-that-she-doesn't-have-it-yet when do you EVER need SINGLE TARGET healing?? Robo or nothing!
Ayla is even more dangerous about that, since her critical rate is already astounding, and now that I've got her with the Bronze Fist, Lavos would be screwed.
Now that you've got her Bronze Fist her Critical Hit Rate is severely impacted...Robo wins again!
Crono's is easy enough, since he's got consistent damage rates and is more than fast enough to be able to slug down an elixir when he has to. Both his and Magus' magic kick ass, so the both of them would have no real problem and only have to take a little time to dip into their items.
Using usable items (outside of the occasional Ether) is for chumps! Also, Lucca & Robo's Magics are gonna do ya more damage than Magus (though perhaps you were pointing out that their Magics are going to naturally be higher due to Crono's greater useage and Magus' likely higher level when you recruit him?).
Robo wins so much there should really be a "Robo really is all that cool!" thread....
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I was talking about having them go one-on-one with Lavos, so for one, having a Haste Helmet on Marle wouldn't exactly be the greatest idea, since there's MUCH better headgear in the game. On her own, having something that's able to heal as powerfully as her spells do is amazingly useful, since her first Cure spell does great, especially since it doesn't cost as much as Robo's more effective healing spells.
The argument I have between Robo and Ayla is that, even if Robo's critical rate stays higher than Ayla's when she gets the Bronze Fist, with the Apocalypse Arm, Robo does shit instead of the thousand or so that Ayla can pull when the hit isn't critical. Just give her a Dragon's Tear if you're feeling a little less confident.
And chumps my ass. You try beating Queen Zeal without using elixirs or megaelixirs, and I'll concede.
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I meant that Haste, the spell Marle has to waste a turn to cast (if it isn't 1-on-1 it turns into about 2.5 turns or so, right? You're totally right about Single Target healing if you're doing 1-on-1), that you said was the best part of her is something you can get by giving people (other, non-Marle, people who will all be better) Haste Helms. Speed>Status Protection (which you can also get elsewhere)>Defense. The best defense is a speedy offense (remember offense? Marle doesn't).
I was mostly just kidding about the critical hit stuff because Robo's is terrible throughout whereas Ayla just gets better (a status along with an awesome critical hit %?!) until she hits the Bronze Fist (I wish there was an option to switch back to Iron even though that doesn't make sense because they're her fists...). But anyways, it's mostly redundant because how many things are you just attacking anyways? Techs seem more effective over time than trying to rely on Critical Hits. Also, Gold Studs 4 Life.
I'm fairly sure that you don't need Mega Elixers for either form of Zeal. Ethers, yes. Only Single-Target healers fear Hallation (again, you would be right if still speaking about 1-on-1). :P
Robo's real flaws are a low starting Speed (there are Speed Tabs EVERYWHERE) and his low M. Def (oh no! not the first stat everyone **s! plus, he makes up for it by maxing his HP before everyone).[/offtopic-ish]
...and Magus!
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All of this stuff keeps making me wish I could hack the game into doing a solo campaign for the game. I mean, once you get into high eighties, low nineties, everything is still shit in comparison to any of the characters. Whatever it is, it gets curb-stomped. I actually think it's kinda funny how Queen Zeal, who's supposed to be Lavos' lackey, is harder to beat than he is. A one-on-one between Magus and her would be very meaningful, not to mention difficult, even if he had ** level or something.
I actually remember seeing on YouTube at one point this guy who hacked into CT and did a mano-e-mano thing between him and Lavos, and he actually did pretty good. Again, also hacked it to have max stats and a healthy supply of Elixirs, but I don't think he had to use them all that much. The Doom Sickle was pretty nuts on damage, especially since it was just one person, and since the game wouldn't normally be able to have only Magus on his own, it registered that the other two were "dead," which gave his a serious boost in damage. Kinda chaeting on that part, but meh.
As for the offense, yeah, she'd have a terrible time with that. In the DS, she gets a bow called the Venus Bow, which is a guaranteed 777 damage on each hit. As long as you kept her health up, you wouldn't have to worry too much about consistency, it would just be that the rate of damage would be amazingly sluggish. I hear you on that, at least. Magus can at least whip out a thousand damage (roughly) with a physical hit, and I've got his Dark Matter doing well over 3000 now. He would just fry Lavos, even if he's not at ** yet.
I do find it funny that Glenn is supposed to be Magus' rival. I can hardly get Glenn to do 1000 on a critical, even with the Masamune (II), whereas with Magus + Dreamreaper, his crits do anywhere from 3200-4000, with the x4 critical damage.
Even with that grade of equipment though, I still think that Crono is amazingly powerful, even compared to someone like Ayla, who does just as much, if not more, than Crono physically. He's like Magus backwards, but if you were to also give a hefty boost to his Magic as well, which I've done with just about all of the Magic Tabs/Capsules that I find. Crono's magic is right around the low nineties now, and he does over 6000 with Luminaire. Very scary damage. The only thing that Magus has had over him is that his Magic stats max out very early, long before even Lucca's, and that's kinda become a moot point now. As I said before though, he's just a touch faster than Crono, and even then I've seen Crono get the jump on him as well.
I think the reason why people find Magus so great is because of his significance in the storyline. Sure, he's still able to keep up with the rest of the crew in battle, but he's still not all that great in-game. Better fighters exist elsewhere, although he's still not all that bad. Not a team player, though. But with how big of a part he plays in the narrative part of the story, having him on your team is kinda gratifying. It would be like if you could have had Golbez on your team in FFIV, even if it's as late in the game as the end of the Giant of Babil. Magus comes in late himself, just about as late by scale as when Golbez's mind is freed, since by then it was perfectly canon to go and beat Lavos at that point (almost, actually, since you still have to resurrect Crono). His relation to Schala, who happens to be the character that everyone likes the most, simply adds more to his charm, and how he interacts with other characters makes him seem like so much more. He's an anti-hero, which really stands out from the rest of the group, and it makes the idea of having someone to add to the group's diversity all the more attractive.
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I have a question on what everyone thinks of Magus's personal life, so to speak. I've read a lot of different theories and observations from various sources. Some are as simple as he has no interest in anyone, he's just motivated to do as he wills (i.e. Locate Schala especially) and others will find him interested in just about anyone or create an OC for his interests.
I found him an interesting character because he can go so many different ways. As Manly Man said, he's very much the anti-hero, but many people like him. Personally speaking, I always found him to be more dark then most people would've, twisted even to the point he was only concerned with getting what he wanted regardless of who or what got in his way. I've noticed a lot of people, especially from the Eastern cultures seem to share the thought process of him having some major issues, not to mention being in love with his sister, hinting potentially evening manipulating Queen Zeal when posing as Prophet. Psychologically, one might be able to justify such a claim. As a child, Janus was not considered much of anything by the kingdom or those around him, aside from his visions and intuitive nature. The only 'friend' he had was Alfador, and the only person we can assume ever really showed him true kindness and love was Schala (he was the prince, naturally some brown-nosing probably occurred). Because he was thrown back into the Middle Ages, thus continuing the strand of cruelty and ostracizing probably at first by Ozzie and company, evolving somewhere into a superiority complex as he rose in his power and status. Long story short, he never experienced the normal things we would as people growing up in a social environment, love, friends, relationships, etc, therefore potentially something got "stuck" in his social development. I think this is where people get the idea that he was so desperate to find Schala, more so then most because of a deeper love then just a sibling bond.
The guy has mommy issues regardless. I can only imagine what one might consider his psychological profile to be upon deeper analysis if we EVERYTHING that happened to him, (i.e the untold chapters of his life both while in Zeal and the time frame and process of him going from Janus to Magus).
Either way, he's clearly demented in a frighteningly genius way, I think it's apart of his charm though :)
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This might sound like a joke answer, but consider Batman. There's a very basic canon there that most everyone knows about, Bruce Wayne's parents are murdered and he grows up to fight crime as The Batman, and people take it hundreds of different ways. The direction he takes in an individual story and the believability of that development largely depends on the writer.
To answer a more specific question, I think Magus having a romantic interest or obsession with Schala is perfectly believable, but I don't think it can be said that finding her was his sole purpose throughout his life. After all, he did put destroying Lavos above protecting Schala during his time as the Prophet, even if he later regretted it. There are bits and pieces of canon that can be ignored for the sake of a good story, but every time I read a sentence like "I ONLY EVER THOUGHT OF YOU SCHALA, THROUGH ALL THE TORTURE AND MURDER AND RAPE, AND HOW YOU WERE DEFINITELY STILL ALIVE AFTER 12,600 YEARS AND A REASONABLE GOAL, ALSO I WANT TO LICK YOUR PRETTY PRETTY FACE", it rings about as true to me as "also Magus and Frog were totally making out in the Epoch" in every other fanfic.
That's probably why my favorite Magus in a fanfic doesn't have any internal dialogue shown. He just acts, and do what a Magus do.
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I'm not much of a shipper, and don't really care who people ship, but I don't understand the reasoning behind "Magus wanted to find and save Schala, so he must be in love with her." If people want to ship Magus and Schala that's fine, but his determination to find his sister doesn't prove he was in love with her. I'd go through hell and back (and pretty much have) if it meant protecting my two siblings. We're a very close family, and I've gone to extreme lengths to keep my brothers out of harm's way. Maybe Magus loved Schala in more than a sibling way. Maybe he didn't. I have no idea. I just know that I'd do whatever it took to rescue my brothers, and all that says about our relationship is that I care about them, I love them as a sister, and I want them to be safe.
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I don't think it's about absolute proof, just that if Magus was gonna be in love with anyone, it might as well be the person you actually know he cared about. I like the idea of a close sibling relationship between Magus and Schala, an older-younger sibling (almost uncle-niece) relationship between Magil and Kid,
and a channeling his severe sister-complex relationship between Magus and Marle. "UNCLE MAGUS" is just fun to say.
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Guh, I started to post a big post about Magus' intentions and then realized I've been posting the same thing over & over in this thread...
We know he wants revenge and obviously feels something for the only person he ever really liked (his only friend aside from his childhood pet)...So what? Did that revenge burn in him the entirety of his time in the late 500's? It's easy to see him as a Redeemer because if he truly wants to save Schala and maybe help avert the future he was stuck in (non-Magical earthbound humans at war with monsters with a clear advantage) then his path of revenge is his only option: Lavos must die. The path to hell is paved with good intentions, after all...
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"Now, my young master," Ozzie hissed, floating above the ravenous crowd. "Your eightteenth nameday marks your acension into manhood and your blooding as a Mystic warrior. But first, you must pass the final rite."
"The Final Rite!" Howled the Nagaettes in brittle glass voices. "The Final Rite!"
"Yes, my fleshy lump," Ozzie continued, pulling away the coverlet from the table to reveal a sugar glazed bundt cake. "It is time. It is time."
"It is time to
FUCK
THE
CAKE"
The Henches roared in an orgiastic frenzy
"FUCK THE CAKE"
"FUCK THE CAKE"
Magus whipped his codpiece away with a flourish that he didn't feel. As he mounted the cake, somewhere deep inside him, Janus cried his last tear and tucked himself away from sight, hidden, separate and divorced from the arcane, murderous cakefucker that Magus had become.
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...The fuck?
The cake, I mean.
It should have totally been red velvet. I'd have laughed even harder at that.
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Hmm, I've gone over this before, but I've never been of the school that thought Magus ever put Schala second to Lavos. I can see how you'd think that, but the fact he's such a withdrawn person - combined with clear evidence of his longstanding affection for her - makes me believe she's at least as much of a priority. It's also quite plausible to me that Magus understands that Lavos and Schala are linked. It's hard to make a case either way, but I think it's unquestionable that he loves her very much.
Regarding shipping, hmm... people tend to respond strongly to the intensity of Magus' bond with Schala, and I can see how that may lead some to ship them. However, I like the uniqueness of a rare platonic bond of that magnitude and the fact that our usual notions of a nonsexual relationship don't jive with how uncomfortably close and devoted to each other they seem to be. I suppose I can just say they're a lot more interesting to me when they're not potrayed as "in love." I see the appeal I think, shipping is quite an individual thing, but I like to focus on why they are close and not necessarily how they are ~in love~. The fact they are brother and sister forces you to consider their actual connection rather than placing them in this prescripted romantic context. You know?
Of course, Byron was actually in love with his half-sister, which seems to make the comparison I made before a bit more apt. The Romantics had a huge obsession brother-sister relationships in general, actually... they were attracted to them as symbols of purity and closeness, but again, I just don't think that you necessarily need to go a sexual route because of the intensity of the bond.
(Auuuugh Kato, WHY did you create this incredibly nuanced relationship and then NEGLECT TO EXPLORE IT FOR A CARNIVAL OF PLAYABLES IN CC. WHYYYYY. okay I'm done now.)
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That's one of the big reasons I like Radical Dreamers so much. The potential future for Magus not only shows the bond between him and Kid/Schala, but it also shows how he would behave around Serge, someone who clearly loves her romantically.
(http://www.chronocompendium.com/images/wiki/b/bd/Guile_portrait.png): What about when I cock-blocked him at the end and ran off to marry my freshly re-memorized sister?
Quiet, you.
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That's one of the big reasons I like Radical Dreamers so much. The potential future for Magus not only shows the bond between him and Kid/Schala, but it also shows how he would behave around Serge, someone who clearly loves her romantically.
(http://www.chronocompendium.com/images/wiki/b/bd/Guile_portrait.png): What about when I cock-blocked him at the end and ran off to marry my freshly re-memorized sister?
Quiet, you.
XD
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Know what I think doesn't get discussed enough around here? Magus's journey as a metaphor for child molestation.
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Yeah let's not.
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maggiekarp, your avatar was incredibly appropriate for that post. Magus looks very uncomfortable. :D
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maggiekarp, your avatar was incredibly appropriate for that post. Magus looks very uncomfortable. :D
I wonder which avatar you got :P I got one that worked pretty well too... (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/licawolf/screen_magus.jpg)
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Haha, that's even better. Mine was of the Prophet clutching his cloak and looking disturbed.
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Know what I think doesn't get discussed enough around here? Magus's journey as a metaphor for child molestation.
If you think it is, gie us a reason why. It isn't like a lot of what Magus does couldn't be based off of or interpreted by a corrupted Freudian theory of some sort.
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Know what I think doesn't get discussed enough around here? Magus's journey as a metaphor for child molestation.
If you think it is, gie us a reason why. It isn't like a lot of what Magus does couldn't be based off of or interpreted by a corrupted Freudian theory of some sort.
Far from "couldn't;" The fact is, Magus suits the paradigm of an abused child perfectly. Perhaps not necessarily sexual abuse, but abuse nonetheless.
He develops an obsession with an older sibling figure; he becomes jaded into thinking the world is unimportant and an obstacle toward his goals; he focuses solely on a goal, one of destructive consequences; He strives to protect someone that for all intents and purposes is as good as dead logically, and will never be found.
Basically he's dissociating from his parental figures (who abuse him through neglect), imprinting on his sister (who cares for him at some capacity due to their absence), because of this he focuses his entire attention on her, and when she disappears, his world shatters and he does nothing but try to find her, instead of growing up.
Magus, or Janus really, is damaged goods. He is arguably still a child.
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Originally Magus wasn't completely obsessed with Schala though. His main goal was beating Lavos, and he "sacrificed" Schala to get the chance and he failed at it. That's why in RD he tells Serge not to make the same mistake he did, to protect Kid instead of fighting Lynx.
But after CT:DS he just became another sister-obsessed anime guy wah wah wah I complain about this all the time
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Originally Magus wasn't completely obsessed with Schala though. His main goal was beating Lavos, and he "sacrificed" Schala to get the chance and he failed at it. That's why in RD he tells Serge not to make the same mistake he did, to protect Kid instead of fighting Lynx.
But after CT:DS he just became another sister-obsessed anime guy wah wah wah I complain about this all the time
Gotta love flandarization.
.........I blame the fanbase.
*runs*
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Originally Magus wasn't completely obsessed with Schala though. His main goal was beating Lavos, and he "sacrificed" Schala to get the chance and he failed at it. That's why in RD he tells Serge not to make the same mistake he did, to protect Kid instead of fighting Lynx.
But after CT:DS he just became another sister-obsessed anime guy wah wah wah I complain about this all the time
Gotta love flandarization.
.........I blame the fanbase.
*runs*
Really? I blame Squenix phoning it in doing another crapping port instead of actually spending some time and figuring out what the FUTURE of the series is rather than the obvious PAST.
Or more likely someone said "Hey what's the most pirated game in our arsenal? Lets port it so we can justify it not being considered abandonware, regardless of the obvious tenuousness of the term 'abandonware.'"
Squenix is the epitome of "Yes I consider it rotting garbage, but it's still MY rotting garbage. The fact that you want it for something just gives me more reason not to let you have it."
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I haven't read through the entire 33-page post (or even close to it) yet, but I will say that I thoroughly enjoyed creating the "Magus solo vs. Lavos" video on Youtube.
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Didn't his special scythe up his power because the game thought the other characters were dead?
See, he's not more powerful alone, he's more powerful when he's lonely!
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Didn't his special scythe up his power because the game thought the other characters were dead?
See, he's not more powerful alone, he's more powerful when he's lonely!
Exactly!
If I could do the video over again, I would have used Haste Helm+Nova Armor, and some other accessory (Third Eye? GreenDream? SeraphSong? PrismSpecs?) instead. Gold Stud wasn't the best choice. I also would've used bSNES - zSNES' emulated sound effects are HORRIBLE. Ah well.
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I've been reading up a little about the Magus's motivations and I thought it might help to look at this from a certain perspective - specifically, that perhaps the whole Zeal family, true to their name, obsesses over specific goals to a point that dissuading them is extremely difficult, if not downright impossible.
Janus has Lavos and Schala. Queen has Lavos and immortality. Schala has... uh... Serge. Yeah.
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Reading through your response for the first time, I was like, "yeah, Janus and Queen Zeal definitely have their obsessions, but I'm not so sure about Schala..."
But... yeah, it's pretty much Serge. Or Earthbound. She loves dirt.
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I nearly forgot about that part
(https://dl.dropbox.com/s/ipl9pfru29i0qol/Ilikedirt.png)
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Whoa! Star Trek AND Chrono Trigger in one meme?!
I think I detect a temporal incursion happening.
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Magus is a fantastic character, but I will never not love making fun of him. Standing there on the bridge of the End of Time, all broody, trying to look cool... what an edgelord! This is basically him
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxf0KdUvigNSSyjkw9Q09BUil4vr4-tXoI (https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxf0KdUvigNSSyjkw9Q09BUil4vr4-tXoI)
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Lol, you're right -- Shadow and Magus are the Kings of Edgelords. :D