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Title: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: Chrono'99 on December 14, 2007, 01:26:49 pm: The sequel will be titled Final Fantasy IV The After: Return to the Moon

Source (http://www.siliconera.com/2007/12/13/final-fantasy-iv-epilogue-is-only-in-japan-and-only-for-cell-phones/)

- You play as Theodore, Cecil's descendant (some sites claim he's his son, others say he's a descendant in the distant future)
- Set to be released by February 2008
- It's for mobile phone

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: FaustWolf on December 14, 2007, 01:48:03 pm: Squeenix strikes again! Why, oh why do they put such things on cell phones and portable consoles? I understand they're trying to diversify, but really. I'm sure they'll do a 3D remake of Final Fantasy VI for the iPhone someday -- though that would probably sell more copies/downloads than if they made it for the PS3, considering Sony seems to be on the losing end of this round of the console wars. I suppose that's why Square prefers to experiment with portable games nowadays -- cell phones and the PSP are much more accessible to the consumer than the $500 (US) PS3.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: Sora on December 14, 2007, 02:24:00 pm: US date?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: justin3009 on December 14, 2007, 03:51:51 pm: ACK!..Another FF game?!...Gah
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: ZeaLitY on December 14, 2007, 04:06:09 pm: I was all happy until I read the mobile phone part. Same with Before Crisis. "Whoa, I get to play as the Turks?" became "Whoa, I wasn't born in Japan so I don't get to play this at all?"
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: Thought on December 14, 2007, 04:27:10 pm: I liked the original game well enough, but this doesn't seem like a good way to continue the plot of the game.

Either square will make it like modern FF games, which is to say technobably and quasi-moralfull, or they will try to make it like the older FF games, which is to say they will completely fail to recapture that spark (compared to the original release, the "new" FFI is inferior in the qualities that make me still want to play such an old game).

It is also odd as FF has a consol fan base; seems like you'd want to release a new game on a consol, then, to market towards that specific fan base. At the least go with the DS, PSP, or some such.

To be fair, however, putting it on a cell phone is pandering to a new generation of consumers, which is a smart business move at least... for Japan.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: V_Translanka on December 14, 2007, 05:23:34 pm: What? They're making a FFIV sequal and it's not going to be titled FFIV: Kain's Revenge?!? I'm shocked. Well, anyways...I don't care about the cell phone thing. So far they did it with that Before Crisis & Parasite Eve 3 or w/e...Why not? They've got the technology or w/e...
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: dan_death on December 14, 2007, 06:45:24 pm: God, they keep making sequels, or prequels, or remakes of a bunch of FF games. It's sort of getting old. But Crisis Core looks pretty awesome. But the remakes of FF 1 & 2 on PSP aren't even in 3D.

I wish they'd start making more ORIGINAL titles.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: Romana on December 14, 2007, 08:43:16 pm: FOR THE LOVE OF FUCK, MY HOPES WERE SHOT DOWN WITH THE 'MOBILE/JAPAN-EXCLUSIVE' PART.

Know what? I'm irritated beyond belief here. I love FFIV, and I share the shot-down hopes of every fan who reads that evil line about the sequel being exclusive to Japan.

Here's hoping Square Enix will realise they're idiots and just move it to the DS or PSP instead.

(http://i3.tinypic.com/87dpitt.jpg)
To Square with love~
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: saridon on December 15, 2007, 04:05:35 am: phone games = fail
good going square
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: Chrono'99 on December 15, 2007, 04:29:17 am: Quote from: V_Translanka on December 14, 2007, 05:23:34 pm
Parasite Eve 3

There's no Parasite Eve 3. The developers made it clear that it was a spinoff with a totally different gameplay, thus why it's titled "The 3rd Birthday" and nothing else.

Quote from: Pyt Fumv on December 14, 2007, 08:43:16 pm
Here's hoping Square Enix will realise they're idiots and just move it to the DS or PSP instead.

Well, they're not really idiots. They always said that they'll support the "best platform" on the market, and the best platform currently is by far the mobile phone. There are more mobile phones in Japan than Nintendo DS, and some phones are almost as powerful graphic-wise as the PSP. Mobile games are cheap to develop and they don't need packages and shipping, etc. SE can surely gain more money from selling a "good" phone game in Japan than a normal console game worldwide, and it's not really their fault if we can't play their games...

Then again FFIV isn't my favourite FF, so maybe that's why I'm slightly indiferrent. There's always hope for the fans though; Front Mission 2089 is a game which was released on mobile phones but is set to be ported to the DS.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: Sora on December 15, 2007, 12:48:18 pm: Quote from: saridon on December 15, 2007, 04:05:35 am
phone games = fail
fuck you?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: V_Translanka on December 15, 2007, 05:35:48 pm: I said Parasite Eve 3 or whatever...But, regardless...Cell Phone games wouldn't be fail in NA and other places if our technology was on par with Japan's...
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: Sora on December 15, 2007, 05:50:46 pm: our technology is just fine!
before you peope start spouting your mouths off about something you know NOTHING about why dont you actually research and try some phone games?
Assassins Creed Mobile is awesome, and i think even better than the console versions!
Silent Hill is awesome! and Gothworth's Zelda 1 remake is great!

plus, think back to how great games were with the NES and SNES. CHRONO TRIGGER IS AN SNES GAME!
phones can emulate SNES now, so don't tell me they cant make games as good!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: ZeaLitY on December 15, 2007, 05:51:23 pm: Quote from: Sora on December 15, 2007, 12:48:18 pm
Quote from: saridon on December 15, 2007, 04:05:35 am
phone games = fail
fuck you?

Phone games = fail because no one outside of Japan can fucking play Square's phone games
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: Sora on December 15, 2007, 06:18:18 pm: Quote from: ZeaLitY on December 15, 2007, 05:51:23 pm
Quote from: Sora on December 15, 2007, 12:48:18 pm
Quote from: saridon on December 15, 2007, 04:05:35 am
phone games = fail
fuck you?

Phone games = fail because no one outside of Japan can fucking play Square's phone games
in that case SQUARE = FAIL, NOT PHONE GAMES! SQUARE COULD MAKE SOME BADASS PHONE GAMES FOR HERE IF THEY WANTED TO.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: Chrono'99 on December 15, 2007, 07:30:30 pm: Quote from: Sora on December 15, 2007, 06:18:18 pm
Quote from: ZeaLitY on December 15, 2007, 05:51:23 pm
Quote from: Sora on December 15, 2007, 12:48:18 pm
Quote from: saridon on December 15, 2007, 04:05:35 am
phone games = fail
fuck you?

Phone games = fail because no one outside of Japan can fucking play Square's phone games
in that case SQUARE = FAIL, NOT PHONE GAMES! SQUARE COULD MAKE SOME BADASS PHONE GAMES FOR HERE IF THEY WANTED TO.

http://www.sqexm.com/games.php
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: Sora on December 15, 2007, 08:48:39 pm: Quote from: Chrono'99 on December 15, 2007, 07:30:30 pm
Quote from: Sora on December 15, 2007, 06:18:18 pm
Quote from: ZeaLitY on December 15, 2007, 05:51:23 pm
Quote from: Sora on December 15, 2007, 12:48:18 pm
Quote from: saridon on December 15, 2007, 04:05:35 am
phone games = fail
fuck you?

Phone games = fail because no one outside of Japan can fucking play Square's phone games
in that case SQUARE = FAIL, NOT PHONE GAMES! SQUARE COULD MAKE SOME BADASS PHONE GAMES FOR HERE IF THEY WANTED TO.

http://www.sqexm.com/games.php
proving my point thats squares retarded? i'll help by showing a cell phone killer app.
http://zeldamobile.gorthwogh.net/News.php
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: justin3009 on December 15, 2007, 10:25:43 pm: Why does every little thing Sora and Zeality say end up being a Flame War against each other ._.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: ZeaLitY on December 15, 2007, 11:57:59 pm: Quote from: justin3009 on December 15, 2007, 10:25:43 pm
Why does every little thing Sora and Zeality say end up being a Flame War against each other ._.

Because GrayLensman and Lord J are both gone.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: Sora on December 16, 2007, 01:17:10 am: Quote from: ZeaLitY on December 15, 2007, 11:57:59 pm
Quote from: justin3009 on December 15, 2007, 10:25:43 pm
Why does every little thing Sora and Zeality say end up being a Flame War against each other ._.

Because GrayLensman and Lord J are both gone.
yeah, where'd they go? Ramulas is gone too o.O
though maybe its cause im better at posting.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: ZeaLitY on December 16, 2007, 01:30:54 am: "Ramulas"?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: nightmare975 on December 16, 2007, 01:57:44 am: Quote from: Sora on December 16, 2007, 01:17:10 am
Ramulas is gone too o.O
...
Quote from: Sora on December 16, 2007, 01:17:10 am
though maybe its cause im better at posting.

You fail
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: XcyrusX on December 16, 2007, 02:17:27 am: Quote from: nightmare975 on December 16, 2007, 01:57:44 am
Quote from: Sora on December 16, 2007, 01:17:10 am
Ramulas is gone too o.O
...
Quote from: Sora on December 16, 2007, 01:17:10 am
though maybe its cause im better at posting.

You fail

I lol'ed
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: Chrono'99 on December 16, 2007, 04:26:45 am: To get back on topic, there are a few curious details about this new game. First, some sites say it's an "epilogue" rather than a "sequel", and it should be noted that it's titled "FFIV The After" rather than "FFIV-2". Moreover, it supposedly takes place on the moon, but anyone who played the original game knows that the moon is pretty much barren apart from a few dungeons and that Hummingway village... So, can a fullblown adventure really take place there?

I may be reading too much into it, but perhaps this means that the game will be a sort of sidestory with a minimal story, and will be mostly focused on gameplay rather than plot, with Theodore exploring some random dungeons on the moon or something? Kinda like those bonus dungeon sequences from the FF ports on GBA. In that case, we wouldn't be missing much.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: teaflower on December 16, 2007, 09:59:53 am: AAAAAAAAAAAGH. Wrong. Just. Plain. Wrong. I knew something bad was happening when X got a sequel... and when Disney and Square teamed up... but now...

Mobile phone games are silly! The only ones I like are those addictive puzzley things. (my psychiatrists lets me play hers 'cause it's so fun!) And besides that, I don't think an RPG would be able to be played on one of those things, never mind a puzzley game (my psychiatrist has a palmpilot.) so... OI! I say they go back to Nintendoland. I mean, ALL THE WAY to Nintendoland. I'd kill to see FF characters kicking the *beep* out of Link!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: saridon on December 16, 2007, 10:42:09 am: Quote from: Sora on December 15, 2007, 12:48:18 pm
Quote from: saridon on December 15, 2007, 04:05:35 am
phone games = fail
fuck you?
phone games are short, almost always crap and any somewhat decent game is japan only.
so unless you live there enjoy your tetris, i doubt you even fucking get Puyo Puyo.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: Sora on December 16, 2007, 01:12:47 pm: Quote from: saridon on December 16, 2007, 10:42:09 am
Quote from: Sora on December 15, 2007, 12:48:18 pm
Quote from: saridon on December 15, 2007, 04:05:35 am
phone games = fail
fuck you?
phone games are short, almost always crap and any somewhat decent game is japan only.
so unless you live there enjoy your tetris, i doubt you even fucking get Puyo Puyo.
1)http://zeldamobile.gorthwogh.net/News.php
2) Assassins Creed (no link)
3) Street Fighter 2 remake (no link)
4) Silent Hill (no link)
5) mario 1 was a short game, doesnt mean it sucked, same for megaman (megaman 2 is on US cell phones, btw) i mean come on, do you guys even read my fucking posts? i've proven you wrong again and again. i just listed 4 great games that skull fuck all your ideas about cell games sucking and you pretend they dont exist! "Cell phone games suck aside of the ones that don't!" i dont think i've ever seen this much stupidity (aside of my topics) anywhere on the compendium, i mean, did i fuck up and accidentally go to Gaia Online?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: Romana on December 16, 2007, 02:37:58 pm: Quote from: Sora on December 16, 2007, 01:12:47 pm
1)http://zeldamobile.gorthwogh.net/News.php
2) Assassins Creed (no link)
3) Street Fighter 2 remake (no link)
4) Silent Hill (no link)
5) mario 1 was a short game, doesnt mean it sucked, same for megaman (megaman 2 is on US cell phones, btw)

Aren't these all unofficial and hacked? Compare that to what Japan gets.

Quote from: Sora on December 16, 2007, 01:12:47 pm
i mean come on, do you guys even read my fucking posts? i've proven you wrong again and again.

(http://i6.tinypic.com/6s89krc.jpg)

Quote from: Sora on December 16, 2007, 01:12:47 pm
i just listed 4 great games that skull fuck all your ideas about cell games sucking and you pretend they dont exist!

5 games, dimwit. They're not Square's mobile games, thus not part of this discussion.

Quote from: Sora on December 16, 2007, 01:12:47 pm
"Cell phone games suck aside of the ones that don't!" i dont think i've ever seen this much stupidity (aside of my topics) anywhere on the compendium, i mean, did i fuck up and accidentally go to Gaia Online?

Quote from: ZeaLitY on December 15, 2007, 05:51:23 pm
Phone games = fail because no one outside of Japan can fucking play Square's phone games

Phone games = fail because no one outside of Japan can fucking play Square's phone games

Phone games = fail because no one outside of Japan can fucking play Square's phone games
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Square's games, Sora.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: Sora on December 16, 2007, 03:25:45 pm: no.
Assassins creed, Silent Hill, Megaman 2, Caslevaina (forgot its subtitle, and yes, its new to the list) are all official.

and yes, Squares us phone games suck, but thats no reason to say cell phone games suck.
thats racest! its just as bad as saying "i dont like black people because one black person screwed me over."

Square always screws us over, if it wasnt for demiforce we wouldnt have even got RD.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: ZeaLitY on December 16, 2007, 04:18:32 pm: RD was an afterthought that Masato Kato personally requested not be included with CT PSX or translated because he wasn't happy with his rushed work.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: Kebrel on December 16, 2007, 04:26:55 pm: Its not squares fault actually, the blame falls on Sprint, Quest, and all those other Providers. They purposely don't allow phones from Japan. Japanese phone are by far better then anything you'll find in America, there completely compatible with our Phone Providers, but they don't allow them in fear they lose there oligopoly.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on December 16, 2007, 05:52:03 pm: Taking a game that's good on another platform and porting it to (or making a game with the same IP on) a phone does not mean you have a good game on a cell phone. Sure, some games work on a cell phone. Tetris, Puzzle Bobble, simple games like that. But cell phones aren't built for games, and if you start getting fancy with games on phones, it shows.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: Sora on December 16, 2007, 07:26:04 pm: Quote from: Radical_Dreamer on December 16, 2007, 05:52:03 pm
Taking a game that's good on another platform and porting it to (or making a game with the same IP on) a phone does not mean you have a good game on a cell phone. Sure, some games work on a cell phone. Tetris, Puzzle Bobble, simple games like that. But cell phones aren't built for games, and if you start getting fancy with games on phones, it shows.
likewise you cant say a game is bad just cause its a port or IP copy. phones now are about as powerful as a GBA and some even a PSX, so i don't think its that they "aren't meant for games" as much as its "the companies here don't know wtf they're doing yet"
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: Ramsus on December 16, 2007, 07:57:35 pm: Sora,

Just stop posting already. You've proven that you can't conceive of anything outside your own little world, and all you do is make people upset. You seem oblivious to the reality that other people live with different experiences, obligations, and ways of life, and possess different tastes and values than you do. Worse than that, you are completely lacking in any real values, purpose, and humility, and you're too selfish and egotistical to even consider trying to understand anyone else.

Maybe if this were a forum that existed just for insecure people to build popularity points and feel big, you'd blend in. But this place is a forum for discussion. In other words, it's a place to share thoughts and connect to people. However, your posts don't reflect that. Most of your posts here are just feeble attempts at making yourself seem better or more important with your tasteless, inexperienced critiques, empty and mostly stolen or reactive opinions, bad jokes, and baseless arguments.

I'll never ban someone for expressing their opinion or their beliefs, no matter how much I disagree, and I'd never ban someone for criticizing the site or its admins, but I won't hesitate to ban you, or anyone else like you, because you have nothing to offer and the noise you constantly generate is getting in the way of any real communication that goes on here.

And while I'd rather not make an example of you, I've posted this publically so others can see what this forum is all about -- what this site is all about -- and help prevent people from thinking it's acceptable to be like you.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on December 16, 2007, 11:15:07 pm: Quote from: Sora on December 16, 2007, 07:26:04 pm
likewise you cant say a game is bad just cause its a port or IP copy.

Irrelevant.

Quote from: Sora on December 16, 2007, 07:26:04 pm
phones now are about as powerful as a GBA and some even a PSX,

Irrelevant.

Quote from: Sora on December 16, 2007, 07:26:04 pm
so i don't think its that they "aren't meant for games" as much as its "the companies here don't know wtf they're doing yet"

The power of a system does not determine the tasks it's suited for. They make performance cars with more peak torque than some pick up trucks, but that doesn't mean you should tow a horse trailer with a two seater. You can make a cellphone that's as powerful as the PS1, but it will never be as good of a game system, because first and foremost, it's a cell phone, and a device that excels at being a cell phone will be designed differently than a device that excels at being a game system.

Complex games on cell phones don't suck because of developers not knowing how to put console style games on cell phones. They suck because a cell phone isn't a game console, and no amount of hardware power, programmer ingenuity, or game designer creativty will ever be able to change that.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: saridon on December 17, 2007, 01:44:35 am: Quote from: Sora on December 16, 2007, 01:12:47 pm
do you guys even read my fucking posts? i've proven you wrong again and again. i just listed 4 great games that skull fuck all your ideas about cell games sucking and you pretend they dont exist! "Cell phone games suck aside of the ones that don't!"

you're a fucking idiot.

a single or a few decent games among hundreds of good ones on a platform doesn't stop that platforms games from being shit, its the majority that matters, that 1% of decent games among 99% crap games doesn't mean shit.

if the only other game on a console besides one of its well know one's such as zelda, FF, etc was a thousand carbon copy sports games with minor stat changes in each would you call that consoles games good?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: V_Translanka on December 18, 2007, 07:12:05 pm: Quote from: Sora on December 16, 2007, 03:25:45 pm
Square always screws us over, if it wasnt for demiforce we wouldnt have even got RD.

Yeah, it's totally Square's fault that the stupid Super Famicom add-on, Satellaview, didn't make it overseas. Damn them and their scaly hides! *eye roll emoticon*
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: Chrono'99 on December 18, 2007, 07:31:40 pm: ^Not to mention the frigging satellite...
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: Sora on December 19, 2007, 01:48:11 pm: it was suppost to be included in the PS1 CT as a bonus, so satalight needed. they couldnt be bothered to translate it for the stupid americans who need everything dumbed down for them. and yes, that was sarcasem. and no, im not gonna spell/grammer check because trolls need something to disagree with my posts for, and what better than a mispelling or misplaced, comma.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: Chrono'99 on December 19, 2007, 02:45:17 pm: Quote from: V_Translanka on December 14, 2007, 05:23:34 pm
What? They're making a FFIV sequal and it's not going to be titled FFIV: Kain's Revenge?!? I'm shocked.

"Kain's Revenge" sounds way too emo; FFIV wasn't written by the Nomura team. But don't worry, Kain actually appears in this sequel!

scans (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8998054&postcount=265)

The subtitle "Return to the Moon" kind of implies that the story will be focused on the Lunarians, but perhaps Kain has an important role somewhere in there. Anyway, the game looks almost like a FFIV Advance ROM hack...
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: XcyrusX on December 19, 2007, 07:13:24 pm: Quote from: Chrono'99 on December 19, 2007, 02:45:17 pm
Quote from: V_Translanka on December 14, 2007, 05:23:34 pm
What? They're making a FFIV sequal and it's not going to be titled FFIV: Kain's Revenge?!? I'm shocked.

"Kain's Revenge" sounds way too emo; FFIV wasn't written by the Nomura team. But don't worry, Kain actually appears in this sequel!

scans (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8998054&postcount=265)

The subtitle "Return to the Moon" kind of implies that the story will be focused on the Lunarians, but perhaps Kain has an important role somewhere in there. Anyway, the game looks almost like a FFIV Advance ROM hack...
Wow this is awesome man! FFIV was my favorite Final Fantasy game, correct me if I'm wrong but is that Goblez in the first scan? If it was that would be awesome because he was my favorite evil guy haha. His battle sprite in the SNES version was badass.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: V_Translanka on December 19, 2007, 07:20:02 pm: Quote from: Chrono'99 on December 18, 2007, 07:31:40 pm
^Not to mention the frigging satellite...

Quote from: Sora on December 19, 2007, 01:48:11 pm
it was suppost to be included in the PS1 CT as a bonus, [no] satalight needed.

Wait, what? You guys know that the add-on just allowed players to download via phoneline, right? I'm 90% sure that there was no satellite actually involved in the process...>_>

Quote from: Chrono'99 on December 19, 2007, 02:45:17 pm
"Kain's Revenge" sounds way too emo; FFIV wasn't written by the Nomura team. But don't worry, Kain actually appears in this sequel!

What? Kain's Revenge sounds like an awesome 80's action flick sequel! FFIV: "The After" sounds more emo than that...
Title: Re: Final Fantasy IV sequel to be developed
Post by: Chrono'99 on December 20, 2007, 04:45:54 am: "After" means "anus" in German, so yeah, it might not be the most badass title ever...

XcyrusX: That's Golbez, but it's a screenshot from the FFIV DS remake. The other screenshots are definitely from the mobile game though.