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Title: I hate stupid people
Post by: ZeaLitY on November 19, 2006, 09:25:47 pm
I hate idiots on the internet without intelligence or morality. Nearly every video game organization admin I've ever come across is either without morals or without a brain. Clans and servers are staffed by childish cretins. This is partly why I created the Chrono Compendium. No fucking more will Chrono fan-based crap be in the hands of idiots or poor stewards (not calling admins of other Chrono sites idiots, save for some). Some people are just not fit to lead others, and my experiences lead me to believe a damn good case can be made for measuring such a cutoff by calculating IQ or ethical aptitude. God bless the standard of intelligence at the Compendium, and the fairness of its administrators. I'm tired of idiots.
Title: Re: I hate stupid people
Post by: Romana on November 19, 2006, 10:02:57 pm
Very true. I find that many site admins become corrupt and blinded by their own power when their site becomes popular. It's sickening to see it happen to sites that once had good potential.

God bless the standard of intelligence at the Compendium, and the fairness of its administrators.

Fuck, that should be a theme song.
Title: Re: I hate stupid people
Post by: Magus068 on November 19, 2006, 11:24:43 pm
God bless the standard of intelligence at the Compendium, and the fairness of its administrators.

Fuck, that should be a theme song.

Or the compendium's slogan.
Title: Re: I hate stupid people
Post by: Corey Taylor on November 19, 2006, 11:41:42 pm
Note to self: Smawrten uhp reel kwik. Zeeahlitee iz nawt hapee.

I've come across a few site where idiots ran the boards. I f***ing hate internet language.

 OMFGWTF/E U R A n00b. lol. w00t! Chrono is da bomb.
Title: Re: I hate stupid people
Post by: dan_death on November 20, 2006, 01:00:12 am
I hate closed minded people, being open minded, and thinking outside of the box is what brought us such things like: the telephone, TV, radio, the internet, and others. And I hate people who make fun of somebody's theories, or laughs at it....stupid little f*ggots... I actually have a theory/invention that might actually work.
Title: Re: I hate stupid people
Post by: Corey Taylor on November 20, 2006, 01:22:59 am
People who laugh at other peoples ideas are cruel. The least you could do is tell them, "good effort, but it's not going to work because of...."
Title: Re: I hate stupid people
Post by: Daniel Krispin on November 20, 2006, 01:34:29 am
I hate idiots on the internet without intelligence or morality. Nearly every video game organization admin I've ever come across is either without morals or without a brain. Clans and servers are staffed by childish cretins. This is partly why I created the Chrono Compendium. No fucking more will Chrono fan-based crap be in the hands of idiots or poor stewards (not calling admins of other Chrono sites idiots, save for some). Some people are just not fit to lead others, and my experiences lead me to believe a damn good case can be made for measuring such a cutoff by calculating IQ or ethical aptitude. God bless the standard of intelligence at the Compendium, and the fairness of its administrators. I'm tired of idiots.

Well, it is true that the Compendium does have a rather high standard of intelligence. That's something I'll always respect about it. Between you, Ramsus, Lord J, Radical Dreamer, Hadriel, and a few others, you make this feel like a university site/setting. Maybe it's your age, and level of education.
Title: Re: I hate stupid people
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 20, 2006, 01:45:20 am
Don't discount yourself, Daniel. Notwithstanding certain religious issues, you're one of the most scholarly people here, and you have a very strong critical analysis when you want to.
Title: Re: I hate stupid people
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on November 20, 2006, 01:59:12 am
Were I some random Chrono Trigger fan who stumbled onto this site recently, I'd have stayed, precisely because of the higher standard of intelligence that the Compendium exhibits when compared to most any other forum. That's part of why I stopped frequenting OCR, and don't sign up for other forums that are about other topics that interest me. I'd say I've been spoiled, but my distaste for the company of the unintelligent pre-dates the internet.
Title: Re: I hate stupid people
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on November 20, 2006, 02:17:27 am
This place r0x0rs.
Title: Re: I hate stupid people
Post by: cupn00dles on November 20, 2006, 10:45:36 am
I would rather use the word "seriousness".

(http://www.fabrica.it/blog/uploads/silvia/einstein.jpg)
Title: Re: I hate stupid people
Post by: Corey Taylor on November 20, 2006, 10:52:04 am
This place r0x0rs.
I despise you.

The people on this site are very knowledgable. If an intelligent discussion is made, or a simple opinion, leave it to Lord J to make the rest of us feel dumb. ZeaLitY gives a good reponse too. His posts, though not always intelligent, are a sure sign that he is well educated. As for Radical_Dreamer, when he dissagrees with something, prepare to put up a fight. But the point is, our Administrators are well educated. But then again, so are the members. Daniel Krispen, for example, he knows what he's talking about most of the time. His posts make him seem as if he were a 30 year old man with a college scholarship and is teaching English. Burning Zeppelin! His sense of humor may be a little off at times but when he tries, he can definately make a point. Though his sarcastic remarks and uneccessary posts leave us with a blank stare, he can back them up with an intelligent response.

az 4 cory taylur, he is speshul in his owne litul wae?
Title: Re: I hate stupid people
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 20, 2006, 05:02:35 pm
I would rather use the word "seriousness".

That's an interesting point--definitely worthy of a discussion sometime, not least of which because I disagree. Count me firmly in the "True Joy Is a Serious Thing" camp. =)

Er...sorry.

=|
Title: Re: I hate stupid people
Post by: Hadriel on November 20, 2006, 05:48:34 pm
I think I'll go start a thread about that.

As far as stupid people, the most prominent stupid people tend to get themselves noticed because they think they aren't stupid.  Then, of course, there are smart people who make stupid decisions, like not studying enough or something of that nature.  You can almost see the regret in their eyes in later years, contemplating the exact moment (or perhaps a long, reversible series of events) that they fucked up and made their life an unlivable shithole, because they know that they're never going to be anything more than they are right now.
Title: Re: I hate stupid people
Post by: cupn00dles on November 20, 2006, 10:39:42 pm
I would rather use the word "seriousness".

That's an interesting point--definitely worthy of a discussion sometime, not least of which because I disagree. Count me firmly in the "True Joy Is a Serious Thing" camp. =)

Er...sorry.

=|

Well, serious joy is definitely a true thing.
Title: Re: I hate stupid people
Post by: alarmclock on November 20, 2006, 10:53:10 pm
I think I'll go start a thread about that.

As far as stupid people, the most prominent stupid people tend to get themselves noticed because they think they aren't stupid.  Then, of course, there are smart people who make stupid decisions, like not studying enough or something of that nature.  You can almost see the regret in their eyes in later years, contemplating the exact moment (or perhaps a long, reversible series of events) that they fucked up and made their life an unlivable shithole, because they know that they're never going to be anything more than they are right now.
Those smart people that stopped studying could be traveling the world right now and seeing new things everyday, even if they have to be beggars.  The smart people that do study have to live their life with the same job doing the same thing over and over till they die.  They work in high school so they can work harder in college, and then work harder and longer in a job.
Title: Re: I hate stupid people
Post by: Corey Taylor on November 21, 2006, 09:17:24 am
Well yesterday I happen to find out that when I was in first grade, my IQ was 118. Just recently I got a four hour test done that said my IQ is in range of 124-129. I am in fact smawrt. Huh. OMG Corey, What a schocker!!!  :shock: :shock: :shock:
Title: Re: I hate stupid people
Post by: CyberSarkany on November 21, 2006, 01:28:56 pm
IQ test says nothing, and there is also a difference between smart and intelligent, but who cares.

My hatred for stupid people < My hatred for people who don't have their own opinion(aka media infected idiots)

We should learn thinking on our own, not repeating what others said or did.
Title: Re: I hate stupid people
Post by: cupn00dles on November 21, 2006, 02:15:14 pm
IQ test says nothing, and there is also a difference between smart and intelligent, but who cares.

My hatred for stupid people < My hatred for people who don't have their own opinion(aka media infected idiots)

We should learn thinking on our own, not repeating what others said or did.

What makes you think that you think on your own?

Every rational thought you have is a result of a mix of determined waves of information that reach your cognitive system through the social/interactive system it is integrated at. Your "opinion" is a result of matches and mismatches that happen amongst these waves of information.

Now, how you deal with this "opinion" of yours, which compels or repels you to take certain actions, is what should show how smart/intelligent you are in the eyes of a determined observer, who himself has a load of matching and mismatching information which creates his "opinion" on your mind's capabilities. And still, the idea of dealing with this information is information in and of itself.


Even saying "We should learn thinking on our own" is repeating what others said.

Now, unless you measure the reach of the "originality" concept and set this value as the standard for your perspective of this  concept, yours are faded to be empty words, even for yourself.


edit: :lee:
Title: Re: I hate stupid people
Post by: Daniel Krispin on November 21, 2006, 02:50:43 pm
Well yesterday I happen to find out that when I was in first grade, my IQ was 118. Just recently I got a four hour test done that said my IQ is in range of 124-129. I am in fact smawrt. Huh. OMG Corey, What a schocker!!!  :shock: :shock: :shock:

IQ is usually meaningless. If it's even accurate, it's only a measure of potential, and potential is nothing if not realized. It is not what you can learn, but what you do learn, and what you do with that learning, that matters. I don't think Hawking is where he is intellectually only because he has a high IQ, for exampe - I wager there are those with higher IQs that haven't achieved a tenth of what he has.
Title: Re: I hate stupid people
Post by: cupn00dles on November 21, 2006, 02:52:39 pm
It is not what you can learn, but what you do learn, and what you do with that learning, that matters.

That matters to what?
Title: Re: I hate stupid people
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 21, 2006, 05:17:37 pm
Well yesterday I happen to find out that when I was in first grade, my IQ was 118. Just recently I got a four hour test done that said my IQ is in range of 124-129. I am in fact smawrt.

That will be the day.


IQ test says nothing, and there is also a difference between smart and intelligent, but who cares.

Nowadays it is fashionable to dismiss IQ testing as unrepresentative of people's true mental operating capacity. It, along with a battery of other tests, is highly adroit ad measuring that. What I am willing to concede is that IQ tests continue to have a hard time shedding their cultural bias and measuring people from different backgrounds in such a way as to give reliable results.

My hatred for stupid people < My hatred for people who don't have their own opinion(aka media infected idiots)

In the end, those two groups are the same thing--the latter is a specific example of the former. I will say, however, that people who, when confronted with an important choice, refuse to choose, are giving too much of a free pass in our society. The perfect example is the American "middle" in our political spectrum. This coterie of independents, centrists, moderates, and apathetics consists of more people who are willfully ignorant, self-defeatingly cynical, indifferent, insensitive, or otherwise dismissive of the political system...than of people who have a true ideological situation at the crossroads between left and right.

Conservatives, wrong as their ideology usually is, may lack awareness--but they do have passion. People in the center more often have neither. No wonder, then, that the traditional media--which caters to the center--is seen as so vapid and stupid an institution.


What makes you think that you think on your own?

Every rational thought you have is a result of a mix of determined waves of information that reach your cognitive system through the social/interactive system it is integrated at. Your "opinion" is a result of matches and mismatches that happen amongst these waves of information.

Now, how you deal with this "opinion" of yours, which compels or repels you to take certain actions, is what should show how smart/intelligent you are in the eyes of a determined observer, who himself has a load of matching and mismatching information which creates his "opinion" on your mind's capabilities. And still, the idea of dealing with this information is information in and of itself.


Even saying "We should learn thinking on our own" is repeating what others said.

Now, unless you measure the reach of the "originality" concept and set this value as the standard for your perspective of this  concept, yours are faded to be empty words, even for yourself.


edit: :lee:

That's interesting coming from you. You don't typically bother to put yourself on the line by offering a substantive statement on anything. I notice you prefer to use your intelligence mostly to relieve people of their myopia by way of potshots, baubles, levity, and non-sequitur. Why the direct approach this time?
Title: Re: I hate stupid people
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 21, 2006, 05:31:12 pm
It isn't substantive at all. Take a look, it's all self-contradictory.

I speak of tones, not necessarily words. Was that just another one of your flybys? Somehow I doubt it.

Then again, I could be wrong. Maybe you're just getting more clever. =)
Title: Re: I hate stupid people
Post by: cupn00dles on November 21, 2006, 05:37:04 pm
Hold on, let me redo my post, didn't exactly express everything I meant to - -

That's interesting coming from you. You don't typically bother to put yourself on the line by offering a substantive statement on anything. I notice you prefer to use your intelligence mostly to relieve people of their myopia by way of potshots, baubles, levity, and non-sequitur. Why the direct approach this time?

What makes you think I ever bothered to put myself on the line? ; ]

Sometimes I just write more than one or two lines of blabbering. Quite un-typical, indeed, but it happens.

And well, those statements are not substantive at all. Take a look, it's all self-contradictory.


edit: Hardly more clever. Maybe more patient. Older.
Title: Re: I hate stupid people
Post by: CyberSarkany on November 21, 2006, 05:51:21 pm
Actually, what I meant is, if you "copy" what other people think of something just to fit into their group = not showing their own developed opinion = what I hate.

Quote from: cupn00dles
What makes you think that you think on your own?

Every rational thought you have is a result of a mix of determined waves of information that reach your cognitive system through the social/interactive system it is integrated at. Your "opinion" is a result of matches and mismatches that happen amongst these waves of information.

Thinking on my own like not needing anyone else to think. The cognitice system is my cognitive system, and the matches and mismatches are my results. That's why I would call it "my own opinion", even though the information is provided by a different entity. My brain made the work to get this opinion via judging the information it got, didn't it? And since not everyone has the same "Match and Missmatch" result, it must have also something to do with experience(from whatever kind). This makes my opinion different, at least in some way, and people not going through this, eg just "seeing" one side of the coin, are the ones I don't like.

uhm...hope that covers what I wanted to say...forgot to post and let the window open...I will try to add something:


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Even saying "We should learn thinking on our own" is repeating what others said.

I just wanted to say what I think, if it correspandents(does this word exist in english?) with what other people said, I don't see why I shouldn't post it...

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Now, unless you measure the reach of the "originality" concept and set this value as the standard for your perspective of this  concept, yours are faded to be empty words, even for yourself.

Unless I do what? There is not real originality, so this is sarcasm, right? So I can ignore that part, right? Sorry I had 11 hours of school today and my brain is very tired...Maybe I will get it tommorow.

But I can say: No, I don't think what I said is nothing, but I think you are refering to the last part. Did I already explain? not sure, if not, here:
We sometimes only learn the results of what other peopel did, what they found out, instead of trying to find things out on our own(which is a harder way). This is not refered to science stuff, more about life, we all know how parents try to give some advises, yet I think we, the kids, should experience these things on our own to see what it is like.

Again, I will add more tomorow...sorry.
Title: Re: I hate stupid people
Post by: ZeaLitY on November 21, 2006, 06:01:50 pm
Well, if this gets into free will, I believe in it at both ends of a spectrum, but perhaps not in the middle. At the very basic level, we have free will to determine what we do. We sort of lose the ability to change things as "things" expand in scope, like the entire world, or the solar system, at the galaxy. But at the end of the historical spectrum, humanity will master nature and ultimately achieve true free will.

Sort of like how these days, you can ascend to be leader of a huge corporation and impact societies, but you might still have issues deflecting an asteroid, controlling the climate, etc. while in TNG, all that is moot and humanity is beginning to experiment with time itself.
Title: Re: I hate stupid people
Post by: cupn00dles on November 21, 2006, 06:16:22 pm
Actually, what I meant is, if you "copy" what other people think of something just to fit into their group = not showing their own developed opinion = what I hate.

Quote from: cupn00dles
What makes you think that you think on your own?

Every rational thought you have is a result of a mix of determined waves of information that reach your cognitive system through the social/interactive system it is integrated at. Your "opinion" is a result of matches and mismatches that happen amongst these waves of information.

Thinking on my own like not needing anyone else to think. The cognitice system is my cognitive system, and the matches and mismatches are my results. That's why I would call it "my own opinion", even though the information is provided by a different entity. My brain made the work to get this opinion via judging the information it got, didn't it? And since not everyone has the same "Match and Missmatch" result, it must have also something to do with experience(from whatever kind). This makes my opinion different, at least in some way, and people not going through this, eg just "seeing" one side of the coin, are the ones I don't like.

uhm...hope that covers what I wanted to say...forgot to post and let the window open...I will try to add something:

And what in the world makes you presume that you do not need anyone else to think? The very concept of a "cognitive system" is among the information used to form your "opinion" which is itself among that information.

Now, is it really your brain that makes the work or is it inevitably conditioned to do such work by the context your cognition finds itself at? Your judgement is bound to your "opinion", not to say that "judgement" and "opinion" are the same thing, so it should be as valid as the "opinion" itself, otherwise there would be no coherence in this line of thought. You judge, and act accordingly to that judgement. You have an opinion and then act accordingly to this opinion. Or vice-versa.

And well, I could be cynical enough to come and say "who am I to say if people have the same matches and mismatches or not", but I will stick to the "discussing fella" way and keep going. If everyone has different opinions because they have different combinations of information in their minds, then everyone has their own opinion, no such thing as un-original would exist, and you would have lost your point.

According to my previous post the un-originality would come from a way deeper level than the already formed "opinion", its very foundations would be copies of previously existing pieces of information.


Quote from: cupn00dles
Even saying "We should learn thinking on our own" is repeating what others said.

I just wanted to say what I think, if it correspandents(does this word exist in english?) with what other people said, I don't see why I shouldn't post it...

In fact I only wrote that as an example of the things I wrote before it.



Quote from: cupn00dles
Now, unless you measure the reach of the "originality" concept and set this value as the standard for your perspective of this  concept, yours are faded to be empty words, even for yourself.

Unless I do what? There is not real originality, so this is sarcasm, right? So I can ignore that part, right? Sorry I had 11 hours of school today and my brain is very tired...Maybe I will get it tommorow.

But I can say: No, I don't think what I said is nothing, but I think you are refering to the last part. Did I already explain? not sure, if not, here:
We sometimes only learn the results of what other peopel did, what they found out, instead of trying to find things out on our own(which is a harder way). This is not refered to science stuff, more about life, we all know how parents try to give some advises, yet I think we, the kids, should experience these things on our own to see what it is like.

Of course there is originality. If you see something as original than, to you, it is. Or, if you choose to see something that is original to you as something un-original, than un-original it shall be. Or, maybe, would it not?  :lee:



Again, I will add more tomorow...sorry.

Why do you apologize?  :lee:
Title: Re: I hate stupid people
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on November 22, 2006, 12:20:24 am
My hate for stupid people < My hate for people that think they are much smarter, and therefore superior, to stupid people
Title: Re: I hate stupid people
Post by: ZeaLitY on November 22, 2006, 01:06:30 am
My hate for stupid people < My hate for people that think they are much smarter, and therefore superior, to stupid people

You'll keep thinking this until a bunch of stupid people ruin your work or waste your time by virtue of being stupid.
Title: Re: I hate stupid people
Post by: nightmare975 on November 22, 2006, 01:19:05 am
I think we already had this conversation on the No Child Left Behind topic.
Title: Re: I hate stupid people
Post by: Mixmasta_K on November 22, 2006, 01:50:28 am
Well, being that this is the internet, I don't think anybody should be surprised that "the mentally disadvantaged" get a whole lot of priviledges. What's worse is when they get an attitude. Then, before you know it, you get: "Ur b4NN3'D n00b, LAWLS!" :lol:

Honestly, boards with standards are a godsend to me. The first time I see -intentional- leet on a webpage is almost always the last time I ever view it. XP
Title: Re: I hate stupid people
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 22, 2006, 03:25:51 am
I think we already had this conversation on the No Child Left Behind topic.

It's funny because it's true. Excellent wit, you!
Title: Re: I hate stupid people
Post by: cupn00dles on November 22, 2006, 08:03:31 am
I think we already had this conversation on the No Child Left Behind topic.

It would seem like every "serious" discussion here on the compendium, if pressed hard enough, will always boil down to this. At least the few ones I remember paying some attention to. Curious thing.
Title: Re: I hate stupid people
Post by: nightmare975 on November 22, 2006, 12:38:11 pm
It's not that I'm complaining, I just love these intelligent conversations we have here at the Compendium.
Title: Re: I hate stupid people
Post by: CyberSarkany on November 22, 2006, 05:01:34 pm
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And what in the world makes you presume that you do not need anyone else to think? The very concept of a "cognitive system" is among the information used to form your "opinion" which is itself among that information.

I still don't really know what you want to tell me...my opinion is information filtered throught the Cog Sys? Yeah, and? Do you want to say my way of thinking about opinions is wrong or something? Is my opinion on opinion to high? I got that you are arguing on the biological way, "opinion" is not really an "opinion" but information...yet I never said something different, or did I? Information="opinion", yet more or different information can change that "opinion", can't it?
About this thinking thing...did we learn to think by patrents/society, or do we learn it on our own? Maybe I need someone else to think about something, yet not to think itself, this is at least what I believe, or said in a different way, my "opinion" on it.


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Now, is it really your brain that makes the work or is it inevitably conditioned to do such work by the context your cognition finds itself at? Your judgement is bound to your "opinion", not to say that "judgement" and "opinion" are the same thing, so it should be as valid as the "opinion" itself, otherwise there would be no coherence in this line of thought. You judge, and act accordingly to that judgement. You have an opinion and then act accordingly to this opinion. Or vice-versa.

Well, the thing is, people don't act accordingly to their "own opinion", they often act like others do, just to be like them. If you think for example gaybashing is wrong, do you help someone who gets bashed? If you do, I have another reason to like you. If you don't, it is not good, yet it is how most people act. This is something I hate, too, people who don't stand for what they think is right.


Title: Re: I hate stupid people
Post by: cupn00dles on November 22, 2006, 07:10:48 pm
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And what in the world makes you presume that you do not need anyone else to think? The very concept of a "cognitive system" is among the information used to form your "opinion" which is itself among that information.

I still don't really know what you want to tell me...my opinion is information filtered throught the Cog Sys? Yeah, and? Do you want to say my way of thinking about opinions is wrong or something? Is my opinion on opinion to high? I got that you are arguing on the biological way, "opinion" is not really an "opinion" but information...yet I never said something different, or did I? Information="opinion", yet more or different information can change that "opinion", can't it?
About this thinking thing...did we learn to think by patrents/society, or do we learn it on our own? Maybe I need someone else to think about something, yet not to think itself, this is at least what I believe, or said in a different way, my "opinion" on it.


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Now, is it really your brain that makes the work or is it inevitably conditioned to do such work by the context your cognition finds itself at? Your judgement is bound to your "opinion", not to say that "judgement" and "opinion" are the same thing, so it should be as valid as the "opinion" itself, otherwise there would be no coherence in this line of thought. You judge, and act accordingly to that judgement. You have an opinion and then act accordingly to this opinion. Or vice-versa.

Well, the thing is, people don't act accordingly to their "own opinion", they often act like others do, just to be like them. If you think for example gaybashing is wrong, do you help someone who gets bashed? If you do, I have another reason to like you. If you don't, it is not good, yet it is how most people act. This is something I hate, too, people who don't stand for what they think is right.




Heh. Just forget I wrote anything. =]
Title: Re: I hate stupid people
Post by: CyberSarkany on November 23, 2006, 01:35:21 pm
Well, okay, and sorry for boring ya, "me no much well in not repeating and getting things".

Back to topic: I still hate them.
My art teacher(a she): We had to make some presentations, but she didn't tell us when he have to be ready exactly, yet yesterday, she said anyone who didn't finish it and didn't bring it with him/her gets a bad mark. That sucked, because I finished it(and told her that I did), yet didn't bring it with me because she fckn hell didn't tell us when to finish, and I am one of the last ones to presentate anyways. Of course she didn't care...bah...
Why did I tell this? Because I think she is stupid(-> this phrase was obvious).