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Title: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: Magus068 on October 31, 2006, 11:10:50 am
"The eyes are the windows of the soul - Children of the corn"

I've been researching about Magus' eye color why it changes from green to red & I came up with a conclusion.  It seems that eye color  have a connection to how strong the person's spiritual or magical potential.  Commonly the eye color that have red, blue, gold & silver has strong spiritual or magical potential. Take DBZ for instance, when Goku changes to Super Saiyan its eye color changes from black to blue or gold(when he turns to Super Saiyan 4). Another fine example is Lunar Legend Tsukihime, its eye color signify demonic or anti-demonic powers. Another example is Naruto, Hyuga clan's eye color is gray(Byakugan) & Uchiya clan is red(Magenkyo eye).  My observation in Chrono Trigger's Mystic eye color are blue, green & red... Magus' eye change from green to red probably because of his realization from his full magical potential.  Its likely that anyone who has this color has a spiritual or magical potential.

Although my observation is circumstancial but in most cases, anyone who has those eye color has certain advantages compare to normal people.
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on October 31, 2006, 03:43:51 pm
All those examples you list are from sources that aren't related to the Chrono series. It's an interesting idea, but for it to have weight, you'd need to support it with evidence from the Chrono series.
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: AuraTwilight on October 31, 2006, 07:41:39 pm
The simplier answer is that it's to make him look eviller.
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: Zaperking on November 01, 2006, 01:07:26 am
It's just a great effect. In cultures, they say that your power comes from the eyes, or that you can look into the soul. If you see the aura, that's the aura of your soul. It's just an example. I mean, in a lot of animes and such where the character is spiritually connected, when they draw power, their eye color does change (especially in Bleach, Hellsing, FMA)

That or it looks must more intimidating.
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: Magus068 on November 01, 2006, 02:28:28 am
Technically I don't have solid evidence however Crono & co.(except for Ayla & Robo) & even the Zeal royal family have strong magical potential but they share one common characteristic & that's the mystic eyes.  Take Marle & Lucca for example, Marle has green eyes while Lucca has blue.  Before they reach level 99 their magic power reach to maximum likewise Magus who max out his magic power before level 99.  As for the Zeal royal family, they have green eyes & they're already known for their strong magical potential.  Magus' eye color changes as he transcended to a higher level of magical power.  For now, this my only observation.  Take it to heart that my observation can or cannot be considered as evidence.
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: Mystic Frog King on February 13, 2007, 06:53:50 pm
Quote from: Radical_Dreamer on October 31, 2006, 03:43:51 pm
All those examples you list are from sources that aren't related to the Chrono series. It's an interesting idea, but for it to have weight, you'd need to support it with evidence from the Chrono series.

Goku was designed by the character designer for Chrono Trigger, Akira Toriyama. So, there is a related example.

I, personally think it's a lovely coincidence but probably not intended. Thumbs up for noticing it however.
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: Jessica Ingmann on February 15, 2007, 02:43:21 pm
That's kind'a interesting...except that Goku's and other Saiya-jin's eyes turn green...not blue...when they go Super Saiya-jin.  Emerald-green.  Also, Saiya-jin power isn't "magic" as we usually define magicks, though Mana and Ki are essentially th' same, I s'pose...  Still...

Please try your call again later.  :x
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: mattbollenbach on February 17, 2007, 04:44:58 am
DBZ should never be brought up anywhere.

Ever.
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: Mystic Frog King on February 17, 2007, 09:25:39 am
You forgot to put IMO. DBZ is a popular and respected anime even if not to your (and my) tastes.

Quote from: Jessica Ingmann on February 15, 2007, 02:43:21 pm
That's kind'a interesting...except that Goku's and other Saiya-jin's eyes turn green...not blue...when they go Super Saiya-jin.  Emerald-green.  Also, Saiya-jin power isn't "magic" as we usually define magicks, though Mana and Ki are essentially th' same, I s'pose...  Still...

Please try your call again later.  :x

It certainly shows a trend involving change pf eye colour, however.
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: Jessica Ingmann on February 17, 2007, 02:19:43 pm
Quote from: mattbollenbach on February 17, 2007, 04:44:58 am
DBZ should never be brought up anywhere.

Ever.
To each their own, I s'pose...  *puts something in her signature just ta spite 'im*  <3(*not really, but it sure works out like that, doesn't it?*)

Anyway, I'm not sure I can really think of any other examples of eye colors changin' that dun involve naughty stuffs or Dragon Ball Z, bu' yer more than welcome ta find and/or make s'more evidence that proves eye-color corrisponds ta magical prowess, babe.  I'm not hones'ly sayin' it dun, but I ain' sayin' it does, either.  I mean, let's look at some examples...

Ayla - Green eyes, no magic.
Crono - Green eyes, Sky magic.
Glenn - Golden/Blue* eyes, Water magic.
Lucca - Sky blue eyes, Fire magic.
Maou - Dull green, then blood red eyes, all magics(with Shadow affinity).
Marle - Green eyes, Water magic.(Ice sub-magic.)

Dalton - Black(...?) eye, Void and Copy magic.
Gran and Leon - Green-blue eyes, Sky magic.
Mayonnaise - Pink-grey eyes, Void magic.
Vinegar - Golden eyes, all magics.
Queen Zeal - Grey-green eyes, all magics.
Sara - Soft green eyes, unknown magic.(Assumed "all magics".)

Far as I can see, there's absolutely no constant in eyes or elements.  It's all jus' kind'a random...  Well, 'cept wid maybe th' Zeal family.  They all seem ta have green eyes.  Bu' still!
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: Mystic Frog King on February 17, 2007, 03:01:03 pm
Wow. Listing the eye colours must have taken a loooong time. Thanks for that. Maybe it only applies to certain characters? Or no, maybe it only applies to transforming characters?

And about the sig: ZOMG. The frog can be me. It's a PERFECT analogy. Possibly.
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: mattbollenbach on February 20, 2007, 01:59:07 am
Quote from: Jessica Ingmann on February 17, 2007, 02:19:43 pm
To each their own, I s'pose...  *puts something in her signature just ta spite 'im*  <3(*not really, but it sure works out like that, doesn't it?*)

Your sig made me lol.

=)
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: Magus068 on February 20, 2007, 05:03:28 am
Quote from: Jessica Ingmann on February 17, 2007, 02:19:43 pm
Far as I can see, there's absolutely no constant in eyes or elements.  It's all jus' kind'a random...  Well, 'cept wid maybe th' Zeal family.  They all seem ta have green eyes.  Bu' still!

There's a truth in what you said... But what I post earlier is that they have either physical or magical advantage compare to normal people.  Furthermore,  It becomes increasingly common in both anime & games that colored eyes is stronger than other characters.

Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: L on March 05, 2007, 01:04:21 am
Well, Magus' eyes might have naturally changed colour over the years, the same way Schala's hair turned blonde.  He's the only one who we see at different ages, and in Schala's case, she could have spent a long time in the DBT (if that makes sense), or her exposure to Lavos could have sped up the process.  This doesn't explain why Queen Zeal still has green eyes and blue hair though...
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: AuraTwilight on March 05, 2007, 10:35:08 am
The only problem is that eye colors don't naturally change. Especially not to red.
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: Big_Mac on April 09, 2007, 06:08:30 pm
Could it be that because he was harnessing the Shadow Element it warped his physical appearance. I mean, when he was a kid, he didn't have pale skin or the pointed ears. Perhaps over exposure to magic changes a person physically. Perhaps shadow magic warps the body to reflect in the magic.
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on April 09, 2007, 11:45:18 pm
Doubtful. Shadow is also the culmination of the other elements. Presumably, Schala was well skilled in the use of Shadow magic, and her ears and eyes are normal.
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: Kyronea on April 09, 2007, 11:55:00 pm
Schala might also be a Light innate, however, and while she may possess some Shadow magic she most likely does not possess it to the extent her brother does, much like he has knowledge of other elements but most of his magic concentrates on Shadow.
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: Chrono'99 on April 10, 2007, 05:56:25 am
I think it's definitely related to Shadow, OR just "evilness", and it may or may not have been an intentional transformation. Compare with Dark Serge's red eyes and evil face.
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: Magus_Brokenhart on May 23, 2007, 08:56:43 pm
Why do people say that Schala uses shadow magic? Is it because she sealed the gate on the Prophet's command? Maybe a sealing spell is of another innate. It might just be a block to prevent access to anything inside it, that being the gate. I think that makes Schala more likely to be either a white, or red innate like Kid...But maybe Kid became red because of Lucca.
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: SolidSnake_8608 on May 25, 2007, 01:29:27 pm
I think the only thing one can gather from the games is that Schala must have a wide variety of magic skills, just like Magus. I suppose that one could make an assumption that she may use shadow magic, as it seems like that type of magic is popular in Zeal, plus I don't believe Lavos would react to much to other forms of magic other than shadow (it just seems to fit the cliche of wizards summoning huge evil dudes in games and anime. Magus summoned Lavos with shadow magic (one could assume), Schala was activating the Mammon Machine with some kind of magic, I just assume it is some type of shadow seeing as how the only other frame of reference to someone "summoning" is when Magus attempts to do so). But I think the easiest answer is that she is just skilled in many elements of magic.
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: alpha on July 08, 2007, 03:58:59 pm
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The only problem is that eye colors don't naturally change. Especially not to red.

This is a valid argument in a fictional world how? Peole dont naturally turn into frogs... frogs dont naturally talk nor do they naturally grow to 4 times the size of a human
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: Dombattag on March 08, 2008, 04:11:04 pm
Maybe Magus was near/far sighted and he need contacts!  :D
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: Peaceman on March 08, 2008, 06:01:39 pm
I always thought that Magus' transformation was due to overexposure, not to Dark magic, but to Mystics. 
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: V_Translanka on March 08, 2008, 06:22:19 pm
Were his eyes red in the origianal TORIYAMA art? I can never tell cause the pics are so tiny...

But anyways...changing physical appearance is something that can be done as evidence from the Mystics themselves that Magus hung around with...So I don't see why Magus wouldn't do the same to fit in (he WAS using them after all) or as an intimidation factor...maybe just so that he didn't remind himself of his former life when he sees himself in a mirror or something...
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: OverlordMikey on March 14, 2008, 04:50:29 pm
Quote from: alpha on July 08, 2007, 03:58:59 pm
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The only problem is that eye colors don't naturally change. Especially not to red.

This is a valid argument in a fictional world how? Peole dont naturally turn into frogs... frogs dont naturally talk nor do they naturally grow to 4 times the size of a human

Plus that isn't always true! Eyes can change naturally.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_color (wikipedia isn't always the best source of info but I have noticed this to)

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Eye color change
Often, paler newborns have blue eyes, which change to green, hazel, light brown or dark brown. This is possibly the origin of the idiom "being blue-eyed" (i.e. naïve; gullible).

It is thought that exposure to light after birth triggers the production of melanin in the iris of the eye. By three years of age, the eyes produce and store enough melanin to indicate their natural shade. While changes in eye color of infants are more common, even in adults, eye color changes are seen, most often as a result of exposure to the sun. Sunlight triggers melanin production in the eye, as it does to the skin.

Eyedrops containing a prostaglandin analogue (such as latanoprost) may result in a permanently darkened iris; these eyedrops are commonly used to treat open-angle glaucoma.[49]

Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: Dark Serge on March 14, 2008, 05:06:32 pm
No offense but these theories are just bullshit... The designers picked the eye colors because it fit them, not because there's  some secret meaning behind it... Magus has red eyes because he's an evil bastard (yes he is, he killed dozens of people and cursed Glenn terribly), Schala has green eyes because it suits her, and it's the same case with everything else.

Eye colors changing is especially a Toriyama thing, he used it a lot. But there are also a number of other series who use it when a person transforms or changes.
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: BROJ on March 14, 2008, 06:50:57 pm
Quote from: Dark Serge on March 14, 2008, 05:06:32 pm
No offense but these theories are just bullshit... The designers picked the eye colors because it fit them, not because there's  some secret meaning behind it... Magus has red eyes because he's an evil bastard (yes he is, he killed dozens of people and cursed Glenn terribly), Schala has green eyes because it suits her, and it's the same case with everything else.

Eye colors changing is especially a Toriyama thing, he used it a lot. But there are also a number of other series who use it when a person transforms or changes.
A little harshly put (Bad Dark Serge...:lol:), but, yes, eye color, hair style, and clothing are often used to set up a 'theme' on a given fictional character; that's just common sense... :wink: I mean you don't make a fuzzy bunny a savage barbarian, do you? Unless you're Monty Python that is!  :P
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: V_Translanka on March 14, 2008, 07:19:00 pm
Quote from: Magus
cursed Glenn terribly

They were out to KILL Magus. Magus just wanted revenge on Lavos. Who's the real evil? Save Guardia or save the world? Magus clearly could have just killed Glenn. He got off light. 'All's fair in love & war' as they say...
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: maggiekarp on March 14, 2008, 07:44:48 pm
I think it's interesting to note that, although they mention Magil having pretty blue eyes in one RD scenario, the conceptual sketches for his appearance in CC has pointed ears. This leads me to believe that the Mystic "disguise" is permanent.

As for how he got that way, don't they mention something about Ozzie "grooming" Magus into a kick-ass leader? They've got disguise magic down, maybe they did an uber-powerful spell to get him all perma-weirdo.

Or maybe Magus got wanged in the eyes as a kid and got that acquired eye-color change from blood stains.
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: V_Translanka on March 15, 2008, 03:07:37 am
You also have to take into account the fact that it was a new character designer on CC...and that it was still in the conceptual stages. But anyways, maybe there was just no reason for him to switch his appearance back. I mean, he's not really "Janus" anymore...so maybe he just shed himself from that persona completely by not looking anything like it...*shrugs*...
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: Dark Serge on March 15, 2008, 08:34:04 am
Quote from: V_Translanka on March 14, 2008, 07:19:00 pm
Quote from: Magus
cursed Glenn terribly

They were out to KILL Magus. Magus just wanted revenge on Lavos. Who's the real evil? Save Guardia or save the world? Magus clearly could have just killed Glenn. He got off light. 'All's fair in love & war' as they say...

Yeah and Magus really cared about the world, too. Honestly, he doesn't give a shit about anyone else on the world, he only wanted to avenge Schala, and that's all that's on his mind. He goes over necks to achieve it, and starts a whole war killing dozens of people.

Also, I'd rather die then to put up with being a frog for the rest of my life...
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: V_Translanka on March 15, 2008, 02:00:02 pm
Yeah, but even if his reasons for wanting Lavos weren't pure, that doesn't change the fact that the cause was certainly just & secondarily would help the world, whether his intentions were such or not.

I'm pretty sure Magus didn't start the war...Possible that he advanced it by helping the Mystics...but the way I see it, he probably just joined the side that looked like it was going to win. Or else growing up w/them just made it easier for him to join them.

I'd rather turn someone into a frog (actually quite lenient to what I'd do, personally) than have them fuck over my quest to get revenge on whoever I thought killed her.
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: Dark Serge on March 15, 2008, 02:48:33 pm
The cause wasn't just, like I said. Maybe the end result would have been, but anyway, there's no way he could have beat Lavos, and with a bit of thinking, he could have known that too. There was never a chance he could destroy Lavos, thus the entire war was for nothing.

And it is said multiple times "In 600 A.D. Magus waged war on the humans." So yes, he did start the war.
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: maggiekarp on March 15, 2008, 03:32:21 pm
Magus was happened upon by Ozzie, and because he had innate magical abilities (we know he's got chops, but he suppressed them because he saw what that sort of power did to his mama, sis, and entire country), he was trained to be a powerful Mystic warrior. Somewhere along the way, he decided that he would dedicate all his life to the pursuit of power for the sake of summoning and defeating Lavos. For his own vengeance. And when you consider he probably came up with this grand scheme when he was, what, 8-years-old or so, it's not too crazy to believe he wouldn't change his whole life on a whim. Death is the only other option, and really, he seems okay with that.

All alone in the darkness, forced to do nasty things to survive, desperate for that one impossible goal, it's natural to assume he'd get a little... "different" in his way of thinking. At least to save himself from going completely 'nanners.  Remember what Ayla said, "strange, but not bad".

Cyrus and Glenn weren't valiant warriors with valuable lives in his eyes. They were blockades, trash in the way. So he offed Cyrus and turned Glenn into a frog as Ozzie requested, not out of any sadistic desire to see him squirm (though he could have been a teenager at the time, and you know how they can be), but as a symbol of human disdain so he could gather more Mystic support.


...But I'm getting way too speculative and fanfic-y here, aren't I?
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: V_Translanka on March 15, 2008, 04:20:31 pm
The cause was revenge for a ruined life...I'd call Magus' intentions against Lavos just. Sure, the way he went about it was selfish, but if he's going to be changing something as fundamental as destroying Lavos, and w/o any prior knowledge to TTI (much less something like Time Bastard), I think it's possible that he can see his actions in the Medieval era as being, more or less, inconsequential.

I think the years of Magic training, along w/a refined sense of hatred & vengeance possibly clouded Magus' judgment on whether or not he could have actually defeated Lavos. Or, it's possible to see it as not mattering if he actually defeats Lavos, but that he tries something...unlike the coward Frog who just hid in his hole in the ground after getting his ass handed to him & Cyrus.

Quote from: Dark Serge
And it is said multiple times "In 600 A.D. Magus waged war on the humans." So yes, he did start the war.

Just because you wage a war that doesn't mean you start the war. The US is waging war in Iraq right now, but did they start the warring going on there?...well...maybe that's not such a good example...but you get the point *heh heh* And besides, most of said sources were humans, so of course Magus was painted in a bad light in their histories...
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on March 15, 2008, 07:14:07 pm
Quote from: V_Translanka on March 15, 2008, 04:20:31 pm
Quote from: Dark Serge
And it is said multiple times "In 600 A.D. Magus waged war on the humans." So yes, he did start the war.

Just because you wage a war that doesn't mean you start the war. The US is waging war in Iraq right now, but did they start the warring going on there?...well...maybe that's not such a good example...but you get the point *heh heh* And besides, most of said sources were humans, so of course Magus was painted in a bad light in their histories...

The U.S. didn't start WWII, but waged it. Perhaps that would be a better analogy.

Four hundred years after a war between the Mystics and the humans, is it any surprise that the short version the average human gives is to place blame on the then leader of the Mystics? No way the average person in 1000AD would know that Magus was actually the prince of Zeal who had been thrown through time, nor would they have any notion about his desire for revengen on Lavos, as they'd have no knowledge of either Zeal or Lavos.
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: maggiekarp on March 15, 2008, 07:51:07 pm
Didn't most of the 1000AD Mystics refer to Magus as the creator of Lavos, but in 600AD they were all talking about a summoning?
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: Dark Serge on March 15, 2008, 09:05:00 pm
No, the Trigger team first thought Magus created Lavos. I don't think the Mystics even knew about Lavos, Magus probably hasn't even told them. If he had, I don't think the Mystics would have followed him, as then it would be clear that Magus was just using them.

A ruined life? How does losing your sister ruin your life? Sure, the guy had a rough time, but I've seen worse. There was absolutely no danger for him, he could've lived peacefully instead of trying to summon his own death and killing innocents in the process.

And yeah, coward frog? How would you feel if you just lost your closest friend and got turned into a frog at the age 0f 16/17? Ofcourse the guy is freaked out. And in the end he does challenge Magus (and kills him in my game scenario, but it's probably not canon).

And yeah, in Magus' eyes. That's the problem right there. In Magus eyes the world is a plaything he can use and manipulate for his own goals. Frankly I don't care much for the end result even if he would've killed Lavos. We're talking about his personality, and he's doing it for his own ego. Then he finally gets his ass handed to him Crono and crew, and a while later he challenges Lavos again. Really, how foolish is this guy? I wish Lavos would've killed him instead of Crono.

Magus has innocent blood on his hands, and being the prince of Zeal doesn't make up for that. It's not a very positive status either. Zeal was a kingdom full of egoistic, selfish, discriminating people. The only pure person in entire Zeal was probably Schala.
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: V_Translanka on March 15, 2008, 09:43:16 pm
Yeah, the Mystics talk about Magus creating/summoning Lavos because they thought that he was going to somehow use Lavos as a weapon against the humans in their war. Either he told them that or he let them assume that when he told them what he was planning...either way it comes to the same...

Quote from: Dark Serge
How would you feel if you just lost your closest friend and got turned into a frog at the age 0f 16/17?

You use this as an excuse for Glenn's cowardice, and yet the same thing happens to Janus and it's...

Quote from: Dark Serge
A ruined life? How does losing your sister ruin your life? Sure, the guy had a rough time, but I've seen worse.

Janus was fatherless, watched his mother go insane, was already ostracized within Zeal for not having Magical abilities (presumed a bastard because of this by one translation as I recall), his only friends were his big sister Schala and his little kitten, Alfador...and then Lavos goes and takes THAT little bit of happiness from him...along with all semblance of his regular life. And Janus was MUCH younger than Glenn when Cyrus died...though I don't know if I'd say Glenn was 16/17...but that's debatable as it's not confirmable either way in-game...

Magus is just a go-getter. He has goals and nothing will stop him from achieving them or at least attempting them. Also, I've always been one to say that he tries to use the Red Knife/newly formed Masamune against Lavos (it shows him use a red weapon, anyways), thinking it would be a weakness...thus prompting him to say, "What? It didn't work?" when his blow against Lavos fails to cause it any undue distress. If his goal is the destruction of Lavos for taking away his world, is that really much different than Crono & Co.? They're just doing it for the future of the world being taken away where Magus is doing it for the past world that was taken away. If anything, he has MORE reason to go after Lavos as it affected him directly (let's have no Magus=teh Entity discussions though, shall we?).

Also, sure, Crono & Co., whom he was completely unprepared for having not had to deal with other humans capable of wielding Magic at all, defeated Magus 3-on-1,  and they had a better version of the Masamune, all while he was being controlled by the CPU. In a true 1-on-1 with Magus & Frog, the green guy doesn't have much of an actual chance. Water Magic Barrier+Dark Matter=1 dead Frog. Maybe he'd get lucky if he got a Frog Squash in before he bit it...but w/e...doubtful...especially since Frog didn't/wouldn't know that ability at that time.

Do we know that Magus has killed innocents? MAYBE indirectly, but...ARE there even innocents in WAR? Again, on translation, I recall, suggests that it was the HUMANS who were, in fact, originally encroaching on Mystic territory (which would certainly explain what Ozzie was doing in the mountains behind Truce...and why Mystics are STILL there in 600AD)...

Quote from: Dark Serge
The only pure person in entire Zeal was probably Schala.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean when you say 'pure' here...but what about the Gurus? Plus, Janus was just a KID...cut him some slack...how would you turn out w/a schizo mother & no dad? Not to mention everyone was being influenced by the power of Lavos, emanating from the Mammon Machine...
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: Dark Serge on March 15, 2008, 11:23:34 pm
At least we agree on one thing: Magus' life, and other people's lives, made them the people they are. I still think Magus is selfish, as he turned on the Mystics too, but you're right, you can hardly blame the guy.
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: maggiekarp on March 15, 2008, 11:50:37 pm
Who's to say Frog and the rest of the Chrono crew didn't kill innocent Mystics? That's something that's always disturbed me a little bit about the games, the Mystics all have lines and personalities, and the ones in 1000AD live in houses and run businesses just like people (even before you kill Ozzie), but they have no qualms killing them in battle or sneaking up on them. There's so much about Mystic culture that's alluded to, but never outright stated.

...then again, Magus used them, so that's not really helping my argument. I'll agree that Magus isn't exactly the best video game role-model, but it isn't as black-and-white as you're trying to make it, DS.
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on March 17, 2008, 05:42:10 pm
Magus is totally selfish.  I felt that he only USED the Mystics to see the eventual downfall of Lavos.  Everyone in his life after the Ocean Palace Disaster were only there because they had something to give or do for him...

...at least that's how I see it!
Title: Re: Mystic Eyes in Chrono Trigger
Post by: V_Translanka on March 17, 2008, 09:00:30 pm
Yeah, it's kind of difficult to say one way or the other because there's so much of his life, apparently growing up w/the Mystics that we just don't say...and everything else is just kinda hearsay from people that never really met him...All we know for true is what he tells us...and that he doesn't like surprises! lol