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Enhasa Halls - Chrono Series Analysis => Characters, Plot, and Themes => Topic started by: whytheheckdoicare on October 14, 2006, 04:33:14 pm
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I don't know if I missed something since I beat the game some five years ago, and remember almost everything, but all I remember is that Ozzie found Janus/Magus.
So uhh I'm saying who are they really? How did they meet? They're my fave characters and they have so little info...
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Janus was sent through time by I think Queen Zeal.... umm.... yeah and he landed where Ozzy was and I guess he proved his worthyness to Ozzy.
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uhh ok. How did Flea and Slash come into the picture? And how come they listened to Janus when THEY recued HIM
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...Janus was sent through time by Lavos, when the Gate appeared. -_- Its shown in a flashback when before the 2nd Magus battle.
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You know what.... You can just take you're right answers and go somewhere else...god. I'm only kidding. But yeah that's the story... anything else
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I have no idea where Ozzie, Slash and Flea originated from, though. I especially don't want to know where Flea came from. :shock:
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(Faf? I'm Jack...)
well uhh he's cool with his magic and all.
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(Hey there! Weird name y'got here. :?)
I suppose... I really don't like any of them. Slash would have to be my favourite, though. After all, he's a swordsman. :D
Frog: It's been a while, Sir Slush!
Slash: That's Slash, you slimey dolt!
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Would you two like to share with the class what you're whispering back there? Well Flea if goofy as shiite (used as a cover-up for s#!t) and Slash is cool. I don't think anyone knows.
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well uhh no we wouldn't. lol
well Frog calls Flea a girl, calls Slash Sir Slugh, but what does he do to Ozzie?
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Frog doesn't have to say anything. Ozzie embarasses himself just by existing.
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lol I really want to know more about them. They rocks so much. And how did they get to the end of time?
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lol I really want to know more about them. They rocks so much. And how did they get to the end of time?
That's something I'm not quite sure we have a definitive answer on. I personally believe Lavos got a terrible case of the hiccups and the ensuing spontaneous Gates sent them to the Bend of Time. Other than that, not quite sure. Simple Chrono Trigger reference for the fans by the developers?
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lol I really want to know more about them. They rocks so much. And how did they get to the end of time?
Simple Chrono Trigger reference for the fans by the developers?
Bingo.
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maybe... well where were they when that happened? Ozzie got dropped in his own dungeon by a cat and what about FLea and Slash? Also why did they defeat Lavos on the day of his destruction instead way back when he crashed? Now the planet will still die until 1999. Ehh oh well, I want to know how come Flea is a guy when he looks like a girl, dresses like a girl, etc.
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Whe thay defeated Lavos it changed history. Lavos was the reason of the whole world going to shizzle and the reason that Chrono and company could time travel. I explained it horribly. Hopefully you understood it
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Also why did they defeat Lavos on the day of his destruction instead way back when he crashed? Now the planet will still die until 1999.
We've already discussed this to death -- you might want to research it a little more thoroughly using the Encyclopedia that Zeality so painstakingly wrote to explain these kinds of repetitive questions. Long story short, Crono and company couldn't very well follow Lavos to the center of the earth when he landed in 65,000,000 BC; they had little choice but to gate directly into the pocket dimension, or wait until 1999 AD when he resurfaced to attack him head-on.
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Ah-hah! Don't ask why I said that... But this is straying from the O.F.S. group!
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Ah-hah! Don't ask why I said that
Because you don't care? :?
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Hah. Although, the Japanese names were Mayonnaise (Flea), Soy Sauce(Slash), and... something... Ahh yes, Ozzie is Vinegar. I had to go look that up on Wikipedia. That may or may not have anything to do with anything.
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I think they were named that way just because the Dream Team liked Flea (From Red Hot Chilli Peppers), Ozzie (Ozzy Osborne) an Slash from.. ahh.. I forgot that band.
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I think they were named that way just because the Dream Team liked Flea (From Red Hot Chilli Peppers), Ozzie (Ozzy Osborne) an Slash from.. ahh.. I forgot that band.
He's from Guns 'n' Roses, no? :lee:
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Yup. Guns 'n' Roses. Recently I saw a commercial on Slash. It was for Volkswagon.
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I think they were named that way just because the Dream Team liked Flea (From Red Hot Chilli Peppers), Ozzie (Ozzy Osborne) an Slash from.. ahh.. I forgot that band.
He's from Guns 'n' Roses, no? :lee:
Currently? Velvet Revolver.
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I think they were named that way just because the Dream Team liked Flea (From Red Hot Chilli Peppers), Ozzie (Ozzy Osborne) an Slash from.. ahh.. I forgot that band.
He's from Guns 'n' Roses, no? :lee:
Currently? Velvet Revolver.
When Chrono Trigger was made, he was in Guns 'n' Roses. When rock history remembers him, it will be from Guns 'n' Roses.
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I suppose. But they'd you'd have to say which bad was he from, not is he from.
Actually, Guns 'n' Roses is playing here in my city in a few weeks. My brother's going to see them. Of course, the only people who are left are the infamous Axl (sporting a wig these days) and the keyboard player.
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Hah. Although, the Japanese names were Mayonnaise (Flea), Soy Sauce(Slash), and... something... Ahh yes, Ozzie is Vinegar. I had to go look that up on Wikipedia. That may or may not have anything to do with anything.
Their names weren't exactly the condiments, just wordplays, or puns, on them...Ozzie was Binegar, Slash was Soyso but Flea was just Mayonnaise...wait...I don't understand that one...That's not different from just mayonnaise...>_>
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lol I really want to know more about them. They rocks so much. And how did they get to the end of time?
They don't necessarily have to have "gotten" to the Bend of Time, just like you can fight Tragediennes at the Bend of Time even though they aren't actually there. Fighting any opponent is just something that can be done from the Bend of Time.
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lol I really want to know more about them. They rocks so much. And how did they get to the end of time?
They don't necessarily have to have "gotten" to the Bend of Time, just like you can fight Tragediennes at the Bend of Time even though they aren't actually there. Fighting any opponent is just something that can be done from the Bend of Time.
No, the trio are actually, physically, in the Bend of Time. There's no warping involved to fight them.
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Well, what else did they have to do after their leader completetly came back after suffering total apparent destruction and proceeded to turn on them and destroy all their plans?
There probably is a logical explanation, the more important matter on that topic is: Who (or WHAT) exactly are those octopus looking thingies? Their form is probably deceptive of their power, as we recognize with Spekkio.
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Woah woah...I still don't understand why Flea is a dude...Maybe a translation error? or where the creators just board of a "you see what you see" type of mind frame? :P
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He's the effeminate, possibly gay Bishonen. It's a stereotype.
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I think he uses his appearance to catch opponents off guard.
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He just finds the female form beautiful. Mystics can transform, so there is no reason he would not do so. If you have Robo in your party, even gets surprised and says that Flea has the exterior of a female. By his perception, one can assume that Flea has breasts and female genitals. Heck you can see his set in his art.
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A thought that occurred to me. When you encounter Slash in Magus' Castle, Frog says, "It's been a while, Sir Slush." Does this point towards a meeting between the two at an earlier date? As far as the game tells you, aside from said quote, Frog should only know Magus and Ozzie. Thoughts?
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Frog was involved in the War against the Mystics in the middle ages before Crono came and stole his slimey thunder. So yeah they probably crossed paths a couple of times and had a crazy swordfight that we never got see. Wamp wamp.
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tell it to somone who cares. now walk the plank. skallywag. hahahahahahhahahahahhah.............muhahahahahahahhaha............ *Gunshots*
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That was a horrible english translation for the game. If you read the retranslation, the whole entire spot of that is completely different.
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i always figured fleas particular species of mystic had reversed anatomy for the respective sexes (as in guys have girl parts and girls have guy parts) my first play through i expected to run into a decendent of flea that apeaered to be a burly mustashioed man and heve him proclam something along the lines of "hey i'm a girl!", sadly that never happened. i also half expected to have that sort of theory (if you could call it that) on fleas whole little section along with the other proposed theorys, again sadly it wasent
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Well, Guru, I think it should be self-evident that Flea just turns into a girl since Mystics can control their shape. Like how Sprigg turns into Ozzie and Slash in Chrono Cross. Flea is just naughty.
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haha yeah probably. But i can dream camt i?
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maybe she is a hemaphrodite but never took sex ED to discover that she is a woman with a non-functioning penis.
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If Mystics can all change their shape, why don't Imps change to a more powerful shape?
Sprigg is a Mystic, and she can change shapes. Doesn't mean ALL Mystics can change shape. It's a skill some have. Chrono can use magic, but not ALL humans can use magic. Flea maybe can change shape. It's not really addressed. He's just... weird.
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I stick by my theory..........
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If Mystics can all change their shape, why don't Imps change to a more powerful shape?
Sprigg is a Mystic, and she can change shapes. Doesn't mean ALL Mystics can change shape. It's a skill some have. Chrono can use magic, but not ALL humans can use magic. Flea maybe can change shape. It's not really addressed. He's just... weird.
Actually, it's proven that Flea CAN change shape. Remember the little bat that follows you around in Magus's castle? That bat turned into Flea when you fought her. Er, him. Shi? I don't know! D=
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theory of the mystic vampire, ready! set! GO!!!
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Well, maybe, like Sprigg, they would have to defeat a creature to collect their data before they could shift into it. Obviously a normal soldier would be an easy feat, but not something stronger than itself, thus, they could not turn into it.
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If Mystics can all change their shape, why don't Imps change to a more powerful shape?
Sprigg is a Mystic, and she can change shapes. Doesn't mean ALL Mystics can change shape. It's a skill some have. Chrono can use magic, but not ALL humans can use magic. Flea maybe can change shape. It's not really addressed. He's just... weird.
Actually, it's proven that Flea CAN change shape. Remember the little bat that follows you around in Magus's castle? That bat turned into Flea when you fought her. Er, him. Shi? I don't know! D=
Oh... right. Good point.
Still, that's two confirmed shape changers in an entire race that otherwise doesn't show much propensity to shapes changing. I think it'd be fairly silly to say all mystics are shape changers from that. Although I do concede that that's why Flea appears as a female.
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Don't forget Yakra, both himself and his descendents, as another example.
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Not to mention the Naga-Ettes in the Cathedral.
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but yarka casted a spell im sure he did the same with the naggettes
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Wow, really? I thought it was a costume. :roll:
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Wow, really? I thought it was a costume. :roll:
What I ment was that it was not his ability or tech but he found a spell for shapeshifting. he probably casted it on the nagga-ettes to gaurd the place as well.
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Well given the Mystic's tendency for magic, it's obvious that it's a spell rather than an ability (or it's a... magic ability!). But yeah it's possible that the Naga-Ettes didn't shapeshift themselves. It's possible that they did learn to do it themselves though, seeing how Sprigg was even able to teach a shapeshifting-into-cat spell to Sneff, a human, in CC.
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Nagas, Yakras, Flea, Sprigg...Those are enough examples to assume that they can all use magic or abilities to transform. Again, like Sprigg they probably have to defeat something weaker than themselves. I don't see the Nagas having trouble defeating a soldier, Yakra defeating the Chancellor, or Flea with a mere bat. You only see Mystics transform, so that's probably their ability.
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If all Mystics can transform, why did they only establish one sleeper cell, and that in the relatively harmless Manoria Cathedral? There don't seem to be any mystics among the Knights of the Square Table, even though it's established that some Mystics are strong enough to beat said knights.
I still hold that it's a relatively small subset of mystics that can transform. After all, Chrono, Marle, Lucca, Frog, Magus and all the Zealians aren't enough examples to prove that all humans can wield magic. :wink:
...that said, it's pretty much a moot point. Since it's not addressed specifically in-game, we can't know either way.
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sneff knows how to turn people to cats so not only mystics transform
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Sprigg was even able to teach a shapeshifting-into-cat spell to Sneff, a human, in CC.
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when did that happen?
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Sneff:
I'm sorry, ffolks.
Actually, there's absolutely
no trick behind that magic.
An old troll gave me a
mysterious berry during
my travels, long ago.
She was saying someffing
about the Bend of Time...
Anyway, affter I ate the berry,
I was able to transfform people
into cats.
Additionally, the Fortune Teller of Termina is friend with both Sprigg and Guile, and Sneff knows Guile as the "rising star of the Magic Guild". This suggests that the old female troll Sneff is referring to in this quote may be Sprigg.
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Then the berry gave him the ability so dose that mean all mystics ate the berry?
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No.
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then that means that sprigg ate the berry
EDIT: I actually meant this to be a joke. ^ Just so you know....
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No.
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What I'm trying to say is do we have proof that every mystic can change shape. I mean why do Blue Imps want to stay that shape they look so week and powerless, they could look like Ozzie if they wanted.
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perhaps only mystics of a certain power level had the magical fortitude needed to be able shapeshift. Which is why the regular grunts don't change shapes because they are just don't have the power needed to do it.
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They're Mystics. There's not much more to it than that. They were probably the three most powerful or influential of their race, and so naturally rose into leadership positions.
Of course, I would like to see more about their exact history, but there are vast swathes of history in the CT universe that are unexplained and which I would like to see.
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...Why just because some Mystics can transform whe must assume all mystics can transform? Many people can contort, but not all people. Many people can ride a bike, but not all people. Many people can eat sugar without having health problems due to diabetes, but not all people can.
Just because some Mystics can transform, we can't assume all can. Either it is an ability that needs training, a common one they were unable to learn or something related to health, by what we have until now, unless we are told otherwise we can only assume that some can and some can't.
...Am I the only one that thinks the reason Flea looks like a girl is because he is a travestite? What, there can't be gay videogame characters?
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Yeah, but Flea seems to think of himself as a guy, but that the physical form of a girl is more beautiful, and thus, "more powerful"...I don't know if I'd call Flea gay, but there's some definite and serious emotional issues there.
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Didn't the Flea bra have some sort of description to it saying that Flea wore it so he looked like he would have tits?
Meaning he doesn't actually have breasts and is just a feminine-looking guy? Then again, if he is a shape-shifter, he could just magic himself some tits...
...Oh, bah. Flea was MEANT to be confusing.
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I find the original name even more confusing...Mayonnaise?!?! Is that some kind of sick innuendo?!?
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They liked to name their characters after random English-ish words in Japan land around the time CT came out. Especially that Toriyama guy. Besides that, he's a bit more blatant with his sexual innuendo... ever see Garlic Jr.'s throne?
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Yeah, but Flea is so obviously not a blatant character that anything involving him would have to be innuendo...But it is odd that he's the only one that they didn't change the actual word to something that just looks/sounds like the actual word...like Binegar & Soyso...V_V
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Actually Flea's Japanese name lacks the final syllable of "Mayonnaise". His name is Mayonnai, Mayonnay, Mayonnee, or however you want to spell it.
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Oh, well, sonofabitch...Then someone should change his Compendium entry...V_V
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Oh, well, sonofabitch...Then someone should change his Compendium entry...V_V
Agreed beyond the boundary of words, Wikipedia has it wrong too. If you guys want the real details behind Flea's shapeshifting abilities, consider these into effect: Only certain Mystics have incredibly potent magic in the first place, as has been covered, but can ALL OF THEM USE THE EXACT SAME KINDS OF MAGIC? There might be certain elements/innates/whatever to their abilities such as there are with humans and Robo, whose weapons classify as Shadow damage. If anyone's heard ALL the information about Flea, he's classified as something called a Void Mage. If you factor in that he's clearly a high-lever magician, possibly with a rare innate, then it's obvious that there's a reason not many Mystics can shapeshift. There might be a similar spell that allows you to hold a form for so long, as Yakra and the Naga-ettes have proven, perhaps even an item that does it such as the notorious berry from earlier in the thread. Maybe that spell is a weaker or watered-down version available to those who aren't quite as powerful/experienced or something like that. (I write about a similar character, so I kinda have a strong grasp on Flea's workings)
Anyone think I'm hitting the target on this at all? If so, that ought to satisfy your need for knowing why Mr. Mayonae has the ability to look good in a skirt.
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I, too, am a fan of the bumbling trio of mystics; Slash especially. It would be nice to hear some more of their history.
As to Flea, although all the evidence points to her being a him, I still prefer to think of him as a her.
And if I were to recreate the CT game, I would drop all of the innuendo about whether Flea is a male or female, and simply make 'her' a female mystic.
The only problem is that Slash, Flea, and Ozzie all seem to be the only individuals of their particular species that we see in the entire game. Maybe they're all actually just imps who, being mystics, managed to somehow grow into much more powerful versions of the regular imps. Anyone else have thoughts on their particular species?
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Here, here, SirSabin and Corona! I'm not the only "Flea = physically female" holdout after all. He's just like Sprigg, er, something.
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The only problem is that Slash, Flea, and Ozzie all seem to be the only individuals of their particular species that we see in the entire game. Maybe they're all actually just imps who, being mystics, managed to somehow grow into much more powerful versions of the regular imps. Anyone else have thoughts on their particular species?
Maybe they are imps, Imps could be like how we normally view vampires. Not blood sucking creatures of the night, but a vast difference in power between a new childe, and the legendary Antediluvians. Young imps are common and pathetic, yet the older or more pure an imp is the more powerful they become.
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"Impish" was an adjective. But I'll change it anyway.
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i read a cross-study of the demi-Humans of Trigger/Cross one time that explained all this... i thought it was here on the site somewhere. then again, i found it about three and a half or four years ago. i printed it out and i think i still have it. i'm gonna track it down.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/Gamer4Life07/Kevin/facepalm.jpg)
"Male, female, what's the difference? Power is beautiful and I have the power!"
My guess is that subconsciously, as Flea gained power, he also bent the gender-roles.
The Flea Vest (jap. Mayonnaise's Bra), as stated http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Flea_Vest.html (http://"here"), makes him look feminine.
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First i know old toipc is old but it's a topis i like and one that dosent have a mess of pages to nagigate through, though in hte end if its prefer able to make a new topic i will appoligize and do so
ANYWAY!
The Flea Vest (jap. Mayonnaise's Bra), as stated http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Flea_Vest.html (http://"here"), makes him look feminine.
thats sort of broad isnt it? i mean in person im obviously a male, no real two ways about it. BUT, if i happen to be decked out in lipstick mascara and a frilly pink skirt, one could say I look feminine, so anyone wearing a bustier styled vest could make them look feminine.
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Oh, well, sonofabitch...Then someone should change his Compendium entry...V_V
Agreed beyond the boundary of words, Wikipedia has it wrong too. If you guys want the real details behind Flea's shapeshifting abilities, consider these into effect: Only certain Mystics have incredibly potent magic in the first place, as has been covered, but can ALL OF THEM USE THE EXACT SAME KINDS OF MAGIC? There might be certain elements/innates/whatever to their abilities such as there are with humans and Robo, whose weapons classify as Shadow damage. If anyone's heard ALL the information about Flea, he's classified as something called a Void Mage. If you factor in that he's clearly a high-lever magician, possibly with a rare innate, then it's obvious that there's a reason not many Mystics can shapeshift. There might be a similar spell that allows you to hold a form for so long, as Yakra and the Naga-ettes have proven, perhaps even an item that does it such as the notorious berry from earlier in the thread. Maybe that spell is a weaker or watered-down version available to those who aren't quite as powerful/experienced or something like that. (I write about a similar character, so I kinda have a strong grasp on Flea's workings)
Anyone think I'm hitting the target on this at all? If so, that ought to satisfy your need for knowing why Mr. Mayonae has the ability to look good in a skirt.
I agree totally with this statement, like humans and such, we all are different and maybe some mystics have abilities others do not, hence why Flea is a high ranking officer in their army and not a lowly grunt guarding the cathedral.
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Humans can shapeshift too in this chronoverse. Remember Magus and Frog. Frog was against his will but Magus definitely looked less vampirish as a child, and I highly doubt that a more powerful magician than Flea would use "artificial" or "superficial" products to change himself. I think it's just a really complicated permanent spell, and Yakra and the Nagaettes used the easier, temporary version.
As for Ozzie and Slash, we know Ozzie stuck around, as his descendant is the Mayor of Medina in 1000, and Slash's lips look an awful lot like the Mutant's lips from 2300. I'm not making a serious connection there, but there is very loose evidence that they live after Crono&co.
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Something interesting that utunnels just found and shared with a hidden fan project in development, and I figured I'd toss it out here to see how everyone interprets it:
It seems "Void Mage(空魔土)" was translated as Sky Djinn in Chrono Cross:
空魔士のリング/Sky Djinn Ring
The character 空 has several meanings, one of them is "empty", another is "sky".
Whimsical translation of "Void Mage" from Japanese to English? Or does this suggest that Flea is a gender-bending genie, and he in fact popped out of that oil lamp he's always wearing? What's everyone's thoughts on this translation curiosity?
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Interesting... But is Djinn a direct translation, or is it a case of Richard Honeywood using a different term in English than what was in the original version? (Though I guess in the latter case the oil lamp would be quite a huge coincidence...)
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Djinn...I never heard about such a word until I saw it in CC.
A direct translation should be Mage/Magician, like the CT retranslation.
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I looked up the kanji in an online dictionary.
空 - sky, air, empty, vacancy, vanity, space, void
魔 - demon, devil, evil spirit, mystic power
土 - soil, earth, clay, ground, mud
It sounds like it could probably be translated either way.
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士(man/person) isn't equal to 土（soil)
Although they looks alike. :?
魔士 is short for 魔導士, Mage/Magician.
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Your earlier post had the character for soil, not person. XD Person definitely makes more sense though. I guess it really is magician then.
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Your earlier post had the character for soil, not person. XD Person definitely makes more sense though. I guess it really is magician then.
LOL
Hmm, that is...well, my mistake.
BTW, the default font size is too small to display those things.
Ahh, wait, I just copied it from CT retranslation script, so someone must have made a mistake.
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They look fine in that font size on my computer. .__.;
Um... yeah, I guess someone did make a mistake. @__@
Also, apparently, genie is 魔神 in Japanese.
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:lol: Shapeshifting was common among the Mystics in 600 AG. Or perhaps only a few sentient Mystics possessed it.
Regardless, considering a Flea as a Djinn (and not a Genie, mind you) is possible. Mystics are essentially Fiends, and Flea had quite an intellect, arrogance, sense of humor and malice, and great magical proficiency.
According to what I've researched till now, most Djinns tend to take (and often stick to) a form they love most. Flea was a vanity type, and thus he chose a feminine body for some strange reason. XD
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Actually didn't the Genie in Magus's Castle in Flea's Hall transform not only himself, but the skeletons too? Actually a lot of things in Magus's Castle transform
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:lol: Shapeshifting was common among the Mystics in 600 AG. Or perhaps only a few sentient Mystics possessed it.
Regardless, considering a Flea as a Djinn (and not a Genie, mind you) is possible. Mystics are essentially Fiends, and Flea had quite an intellect, arrogance, sense of humor and malice, and great magical proficiency.
According to what I've researched till now, most Djinns tend to take (and often stick to) a form they love most. Flea was a vanity type, and thus he chose a feminine body for some strange reason. XD
Flea as a djinn makes some sense, but so does genie. Although the word genie has a different connotation in the West, right: people may think of the wish-granting, Aladdin's lamp type, but if you look at the historical mythology of genies it applies just as well. Genies are known to shape-shift and act arrogantly, but most importantly they're known as tricksters. Furthermore I recall hearing that genie, or jinni, may be translated as "hiding" or "concealing" or something of the like--Flea could easily be "hiding" (as a bat) from Crono and co, and "concealing" his identity by taking the form as a woman. I think some Zoroastrians believe in a type of djinn/genies that are exclusively evil female spirits...While other religions look at them as either evil spirits/devils or creatures akin to man.
I kinda jumped into this late, so feel free to disregard my post, but I've often thought that Mystics were very similar to the concept of djinns in various other cultures.
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my opinion is that mystics can shapeshift, but its takes magical power to do so.. the more powerful the mystic, the better they would be at shapeshifting. of course, not all choose to shapeshift and not all may use magic that lets them shapeshift, but thats the jist of it.
i see flea as a tranvestite or transexual. as to his/her true nature, who knows. id like to know more about the 3 mystic leaders, it seems that their history was left blank.
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Flea as a djinn makes some sense, but so does genie. Although the word genie has a different connotation in the West, right: people may think of the wish-granting, Aladdin's lamp type, but if you look at the historical mythology of genies it applies just as well. Genies are known to shape-shift and act arrogantly, but most importantly they're known as tricksters. Furthermore I recall hearing that genie, or jinni, may be translated as "hiding" or "concealing" or something of the like--Flea could easily be "hiding" (as a bat) from Crono and co, and "concealing" his identity by taking the form as a woman. I think some Zoroastrians believe in a type of djinn/genies that are exclusively evil female spirits...While other religions look at them as either evil spirits/devils or creatures akin to man.
I kinda jumped into this late, so feel free to disregard my post, but I've often thought that Mystics were very similar to the concept of djinns in various other cultures.
Actually Mav bring up a good point. Mystics do share a lot in common with Arab and Muslims. Not only is Medina the Arabic word for city but it is also an important muslim city. Djinn are kinda a Arab thing too right? Perhaps this is the point of all mystics. They are really just Djinn, Genie one is just because it looks like a western depiction. That's why they all change shape. And it does come from the arabic root for "conceal" or "hide". More importantly there is a type of djinn that disguises itself as a woman and tests man. This type of jinn is called mardāzmā, which translates to "man tester".
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Righto, ZealKnight. Djinn are creatures that appear heavily in Arabian lore as well as Islamic lore (since the two aren't mutually exclusive). And from my understanding, djinn in Islam are also akin to the Western perception of devils/demons; like djinn, Mystics are also called/compared to/considered demons.
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indeed. also, i read somewhere on the compendium that magus & the mystics war against humans is comparable to muhammad and the jihad.
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Eh, that's pushing it...since the concept of Jihad has been dramatized quite heavily, but that may be an interesting read. I suppose the idea of holy war is comparable to the Mystic War, but so is every war: you have two groups struggling for supremacy, each group sees the other as the enemy, people are misguided, etc.
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They share a history but the jihad is a misunderstanding. It is the Crusade though as in the West attacking the Middle East, but the Mystics are not taking it at all.