Chrono Compendium
Bend of Time - Inactive Projects => Darkness Beyond Time - Dead Project Discussion => Fan Project News/Updates => Topic started by: Chains Of Fate on April 24, 2006, 05:35:21 pm
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Got another update ready!
I figured it was about time we showed off some of the revised sprites. ALL of the sprites from CT (Main characters, sub characters, and misc. NPCs) are being redone in the new style, as you can see here:
(http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/1395/crononadialuccacrisis3ku.png)
And let's not forget the Cross characters:
(http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/7707/sergea3fj.png)
We've also updated the menu a little more as you can see:
(http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6169/menufinal1ry.jpg)
Soon I'll have pics of the individual parts of the menu, attack, techs, etc.
Luckily for you guys, the graphics are only icing on the cake. We've done a lot of work on the script lately to, so I hope you all enjoy this updated intro and story synopsis:
The Earth... She holds everything we know, everything that we can hope to understand.
She is marred with the scars of humanity, wounds from wars fought needlessly from era to era, dynasty to dynasty. I suppose it is natural to pray that time heals all wounds...But there are some things that even the long droning march of time cannot heal.
We learned that as children.
We witnessed the dreaded future sculpted by the entity known as Lavos, and gazed into the dying eyes of the people there... And saw nothing but bleak grey. Everything was grey.
It was if Lavos had taken even color from the people of the world... But why? Why was our Mother Earth under attack from this horrific monster? What was... Lavos? And why could it warp the minds of whomever approached it?
We tried to fight it...
We chased Lavos through time, doing everything we could to tip the scales of fate in our favor.
We risked everything for a future we could never hope to see.
In the end, we emerged victorious, saving the future, and ultimately, we hoped, ourselves.
It was such a long journey...
And we were so young... If we had only known that the evils of the world didn't end at Lavos...
If we had only seen the evils in our own kind...
If we had only realized that by saving one future, we were destroying our own...
But perhaps there is still hope... Perhaps, somewhere...
There are a new group of heroes who can set things right again. To finish what we began. To end it, eternally.
Safe and sound in his bed, a boy dreams of the future. But his dreams are becoming polluted by a growing shadow, a voice that beckons to him from the dark. Who are the shadows that dance before his mind? What fate is he destined for?
In the glittering metropolises of the future, the people cry for salvation. The answer lies in the hands of a deciever. His ambitions could bring either the end to a nightmare, or the beginning of a new and terrible dream...
A memory searches for its lost owner on a forgotten breeze. It flits between this world and the next, never remembering its name, but always recalling its sorrow. It stands now at the door of eternity, its fate tied with the world's.
These are the ripples of fate in motion. Let them take us to a world of serenity.
Story Synopsis:
~~~~ A.D. 1000 ~~~~
~~~~Nadia's Bell~~~~
May our prayers for peace
~ ring on for eternity...
It has been nearly one thousand years since the Heroes of Time left on their epic journey to save the past, present, and future from the entity known only as Lavos. And though they believed that their lives would go on happily in the new era of peace they had heralded with their journey, they soon found that they were wrong. War erupted five short years later, and the fates of the heroes were thrown to the winds. How could their futures be taken so violently? Had they truly saved the world?
A new set of heroes stepped forward in the ashes of their fates, discovering that Lavos had a plan sculpted for vengeance--a plan to devour all time. The heroes traveled across dimensions, eventually vanquishing the dread monster known as the Time Devourer. They went their seperate ways after that, the deminsions set right, their memories wiped clean of their journey. But in the instant before their seperation, they united under one hope--that the nightmare was over. That their world could finally rest.
But could it rest? What of the evil within men, the very evil planted by Lavos?
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Xavier Ashtear had never considered himself special. Unpopular throughout his childhood at school, Xavier was often getting into fights and was constantly teased and rediculed for his tendancy to slip off into day dreams. The two bright spots in his life were his best friend, Matison, and his growing fame as a highly talented artist.
Little did he know that fate had something else in mind for him. Flung through time after a disaster at Guardia's 2000th anniversery celebration, Xavier soon discovered that history was gravely in error, and that the future was in horrible jepordy. With his friends at his side, Xavier swore to solve the mysteries of the past to unlock the secrets to saving the future. But what begins as a quest simply for an anwer soon evolves into much more... And Xavier begins to learn that time is a very delicate thing... And that sometimes, the answer is not as simple as it seemed...
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Chrono Crisis is our answer to what may or may not have happened after Chrono Cross. Using various sources across the net, we are trying to keep the story as close to canon as possible, while still allowing ourselves to create and expand upon the Chrono universe. This is meant to be a final chapter--a culmination of the events portrayed in the games that we love. We're not claiming to be "the" sequel to Chrono Cross, but we fondly like to think that we may at least be able to provide some tenative answers to the larger questions in the series. This is a game purely for fans, by fans, and we will do our best to uphold the amazing story of the series.
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This game looks like it is going to be badass and definitely will be played by myself...
I just learned of this game while looking for cheats for Chrono Trigger today. At what percent completed would you say you are with Chrono Crisis, I definitely want to play it because I waited forever for a chrono sequel and never got it 8) Hope to see it really soon
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I think that adding THAT MUCH of external material (the fans material) will compromise the fidelity to the original idea.
The original idea was about fate, about free will, about how we decide in which future we want to live, and how we manage to earn the possibility of choice, even if that means fighting an enormous alien parasite bug that crashed on earth eons ago, lol.
But to me, that thing about "But could it rest? What of the evil within men, the very evil planted by Lavos?" won't do, why? because lavos didn't planted anything; Greed, violence, anger, etc. Where all there when he arrived, and blaming Lavos for it would deny a very important part of ourselves.
I think, that Chrono Cross was meant to clarify the message in Chrono Trigger, and to me that message was that our fate is not determined to be good or bad, but to be ours...
...So with that being said, I think that the game will represent a great effort from the fans, a really good one, but, at least to me, it will be aiming in a different direction than the Chrono serie.
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Chrono Cross heavily implies that man is inherently destructive because of Lavos.
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Destructive isn't necessarily bad or evil. What is your point?
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Chrono Cross never shows the destructive nature in a way that would imply "good". I think this is well within the direction the Chrono series was taking us.
Anyway, how would that comprise the point of the games? It's about how we're not bound by fate, and we must learn to fight our destinies. This--apparently--is adding the layer of fighting our own nature. As long as the heroes are shown to do that, then it only reinforces what's been said.
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Chrono Cross heavily implies that man is inherently destructive because of Lavos.
The Dragon God, i.e. the archenemy of mankind, claimed that man is inherently destructive because of Lavos.
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The Dragon God, i.e. the archenemy of mankind, claimed that man is inherently destructive because of Lavos.
Right you are. Lavos did in fact create these emotions in mankind. The Kingdom of Zeal should be the perfect example. The Zealians under Lavos' influence are all cold, greedy, and selfish (in most cases), while the Earthbound are all pretty pure. Chrono Cross is a pretty big step in that direction, shown with the Porre army and their conquest of Guardia, among many other things. We'll be taking this even further, showing not only the downsides of Lavos' influence on humanity, but how his being erased from existence is almost even more horrifying.
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Hey there. Just wanted to chime in with some constructive criticism on those sprites. I think Chrono, Lucca, and Serge are fantastic. Marle/Nadia, on the other hand, looks a tad strange. It seems to be missing the inherent prettiness of her original sprite (as much as a sprite can ve pretty, anyway). I dunno if it's the more poofy hair or that weird thing at her mouth area...
Maybe losing the ponytail entirely would work better? I dunno. Anyway, just my opinion. Great work on the progress you've made so far!
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Thanks for the criticism, Lena says she's not too fond of Nadia's CT sprite and will be revamping it a bit, anyhow, after her computer is fixed in a few days. Also know that these sprites will only be used for flashbacks. If/when you meet them in Crisis, they would/will have brand new sprites. 8)
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Actually, Lena got right to work and produced this:
(http://www.aliasworkshop.com/transfer/landreia/NADIA_CT.png)
Which isn't her static pose, but the first of her walking. I personally think it looks much better, she definately looks slender and cute.
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The Dragon God, i.e. the archenemy of mankind, claimed that man is inherently destructive because of Lavos.
Right you are. Lavos did in fact create these emotions in mankind. The Kingdom of Zeal should be the perfect example. The Zealians under Lavos' influence are all cold, greedy, and selfish (in most cases), while the Earthbound are all pretty pure. Chrono Cross is a pretty big step in that direction, shown with the Porre army and their conquest of Guardia, among many other things. We'll be taking this even further, showing not only the downsides of Lavos' influence on humanity, but how his being erased from existence is almost even more horrifying.
Yeah, yeah, but also the Dragon God lies to make you break the seal, tries to destroy the humanity and etc. etc. To me that's being evil. The dragon god and the Reptites, both in CT before Lavos arrives and after he arrives in CT and CC are evil.
About Zeal, there is Schala, who is good, and there are the Prophets who are also good, and also not everyone in Zeal is bad and selfish. Lavos is just raw power, and the rule is that often power changes people for bad.
The point I was trying to make is that Chrono Crisis is aiming towards good vs evil, heroes vs monsters, and etc. And just makes it black and white, which in real life isn't, not like CT and CC which aimed towards making the point that we rule our own fate. That is why i think it would compromise the point of the game.
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Yeah, yeah, but also the Dragon God lies to make you break the seal, tries to destroy the humanity and etc. etc. To me that's being evil. The dragon god and the Reptites, both in CT before Lavos arrives and after he arrives in CT and CC are evil.
About Zeal, there is Schala, who is good, and there are the Prophets who are also good, and also not everyone in Zeal is bad and selfish. Lavos is just raw power, and the rule is that often power changes people for bad.
The point I was trying to make is that Chrono Crisis is aiming towards good vs evil, heroes vs monsters, and etc. And just makes it black and white, which in real life isn't, not like CT and CC which aimed towards making the point that we rule our own fate. That is why i think it would compromise the point of the game.
We're referring to humans, not Reptites or the Dragon God. Humans become evil as a result of Lavos, because they evolved because of him and were influenced by him. Again, not ALL humans are evil or whatever, only some, obviously.
I'm just not sure exactly what you're saying...what makes the story black and white? The intro and story synopsis I posted are just teasers, we have to be very careful to not reveal anything that will spoil the story. If you look at the teasers for CT and CC, they'll seem very black and white also.
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Yeah, yeah, but also the Dragon God lies to make you break the seal, tries to destroy the humanity and etc. etc. To me that's being evil. The dragon god and the Reptites, both in CT before Lavos arrives and after he arrives in CT and CC are evil.
About Zeal, there is Schala, who is good, and there are the Prophets who are also good, and also not everyone in Zeal is bad and selfish. Lavos is just raw power, and the rule is that often power changes people for bad.
The point I was trying to make is that Chrono Crisis is aiming towards good vs evil, heroes vs monsters, and etc. And just makes it black and white, which in real life isn't, not like CT and CC which aimed towards making the point that we rule our own fate. That is why i think it would compromise the point of the game.
We're referring to humans, not Reptites or the Dragon God. Humans become evil as a result of Lavos, because they evolved because of him and were influenced by him. Again, not ALL humans are evil or whatever, only some, obviously.
I'm just not sure exactly what you're saying...what makes the story black and white? The intro and story synopsis I posted are just teasers, we have to be very careful to not reveal anything that will spoil the story. If you look at the teasers for CT and CC, they'll seem very black and white also.
Hmmm... .I think.... we have.... communication problems...
Anyway, it isn't that big deal, I'm really discouraged at the fact that we can't get to make the message clear... in my own lenguaje I'd say "Ya me dio hueva"... I would translate it to english so you could understand it but it seems there is no such thing.
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If I understand you, then you're saying that it's The Dragon God that says this about humans, and we can't really trust that wackjob. Right?
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Hey you guys really put on a show huh!
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WOW
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Great sounding story there.
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Doesn't seem like this thread is that active, but I'll post my opinion anyway...
To me, the games heavily suggest that Lavos brought chaos and corruption and evil or w/e you want to call it to men. That's not to say that such things didn't exist beforehand, just not in men; before Lavos crashes, Reptites are already civilized and organized, but exhibit 'evil' emotions. If evil and civilization are connected, Lavos 'indirectly' brings evil to men.
Now, I am not at all saying that it is even remotely possible that the people in Ayla's time were completely pure, rather, that the game is a fictional representation. Thinking about this reminds me of a time that I heard this girl talking about how much she disliked Kingdom Hearts (the original) when she found out that there actually was a Door to Darkness and that the whole thing wasn't metaphorical at all. To me, everything in KH is a metaphor... I can't really find a good way to put how hearing this may me feel into words, but I feel like the entire KH is a metaphor that should be applied to the player's life, not like everything leading up to the end of the game is a metaphor that should be applied to Sora... The more that I think about this, the less it seems relevant
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I think the game makes it pretty clear that the Reptites are not evil. They're just faithful to the law of nature.
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Really? I got that impression from CC, but basically the total opposite from CT. I haven't played CT in a while, though, so I may be wrong.
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The Dragonians in CC are just like the Reptites, they follow the natural law (no pollution in their future etc.). The Dragon God that we see in the game is evil only because he's possessed by the Devourer of Time.
The DG claims that the humans are to be blamed for everything on the planet but she doesn't even know that the Mystics are just like them...
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Well If the Reptites or Mystics had no one evil to look up to well what would the battles have to do with the game. maybe there would be a rebel mystic to fight here and there. but the game would totally suck!
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i try to guess out if which program Chains use. but i couldn't guess. it can't be RPG2003.
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I'm using RPG Maker XP.
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I'm using RPG Maker XP.
It really shows. How long have you been working on this game?
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i try to guess out if which program Chains use. but i couldn't guess. it can't be RPG2003.
Thank you very much for answering Chains. I started to think that you were using Visual C++ for coding, and I thought that you had drawn the sprites on a paper first, then colored them with Photoshop. :lol:
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=/ I don't think you can draw sprites out like that on paper >_>.
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I've been working on the game for a few years now. I started out on RPG Maker 2000, then moved to 2003, and now finally to XP, which I'm completely happy with as it has no limitations on graphic colors and sizes.
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Chains i will ask you something. I donwloaded RPGXP now, but i have a problem with those tilesets that came with RPGXP. Let's say that I made a tent, but it looks as :
(http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/1515/1program5jk.jpg)
on the program
(http://img283.imageshack.us/img283/2686/2game7lp.jpg)
on the game
i will become a maniac because i couldn't find a solution to it. what can i do to overcome this problem?
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It's a layer problem...I think there's 3 layers. I think layer 2 is grass and the tent is layer 1. So throw some grass around that area then put tent on. Unless it's the other way around..
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Ok, I figured it out >_>. You put the tent on layer 2. And grass over the white areas on layer 1
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let's give it a try.
it worked ..! :D
Thank you - Tesekkur Ederim :D :wink:
( Tesekkur Ederim is the Turkish meaning of Thank You, don't think it as a slang later :mrgreen: )
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Wow. I have to applaud you guys for sticking with it, at first we were kind of rivals over at the CT: DoT project (I was the lead). Keep up the hard work, and post any position openings.
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=/ I don't think you can draw sprites out like that on paper >_>.
Sure you can...graph paper
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Wow...This heated conversation is making me anxious. I can't wait till the game is complete...in 2015 :P. Hopefully, I don't forget about it. But seriously, though...you're making more progress now. It's so good to see another update! :D :lol:
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OMG COOL CHAINS...Ive already seen dis :D
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Reptites: good or bad ?
Hmmm.... I wouldn't know.Crono & Co. face the Reptites only as enemies, and very little is shown about them in CC besides the Dragon God.As the followers of nature that they are,I'll say that they're neutral.Sure, Azala shows some cruel manners when facing the heroes-but it's just his attitude against his sworn enemies.Nothing implies that he's an evil individual in "standard" situations.
Lavos: the Source of All Evil.
Well, I must admit it:I don't like it.Blaming one single creature of all that's bad in history it's quite simplicistic-now matter how fiendish that creature is.Anyway, this doesn't mean it's a completely bad idea-especially considering that it's taken from the original games themselves.I would like the idea much more if Crisis would show how much humanity wasn't too much reluctant in embraing its evil side "imposed" by Lavos arrival.After all, why only humans had been "blessed" by Lavos evil influence while Reptites didn't ?Maybe that's something inside the human nature.Lavos could have simply exploited something which was already there instead of creating it out of nowhere.
In The Lord of The Rings, for example, Hobbits are much less prone to obey evil than humans are, while elves are nearly immune to its call.
To Chrono Crisis Team
If the game manages to fix all the holes created in CC in a coherent way, I'll finally be able to stop drooling over a game which will probably NEVER be released (someone called it Chrono Break, I guess) and consider THIS one CANON-with my best regards to His Supreme Majesty Lord Kato.Keep up the good work, guys-YOU keep the Dream alive.
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If the game manages to fix all the holes created in CC in a coherent way, I'll finally be able to stop drooling over a game which will probably NEVER be released (someone called it Chrono Break, I guess) and consider THIS one CANON-with my best regards to His Supreme Majesty Lord Kato.Keep up the good work, guys-YOU keep the Dream alive.
Chrono Cross has an ambiguous ending; I guess that's what you mean by holes, since the game is free of plot inconsistencies save the timing or nature of the dimensional split.
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If the game manages to fix all the holes created in CC in a coherent way, I'll finally be able to stop drooling over a game which will probably NEVER be released (someone called it Chrono Break, I guess) and consider THIS one CANON-with my best regards to His Supreme Majesty Lord Kato.Keep up the good work, guys-YOU keep the Dream alive.
Chrono Cross has an ambiguous ending; I guess that's what you mean by holes, since the game is free of plot inconsistencies save the timing or nature of the dimensional split.
Exactly.
About the nature of the dimensional split, I agree with those who say that it was caused because (probably) no clone was used when Kid saved Serge.That would really seem the unwanted effect that CT's party avoided when they saved Crono from Lavos in Ocean Palace.
Since there is no equivalent physical matter replacing the body taken away from its place and transported outside the flow of time, ALL the matter existing which surrounds that body is created again from scratch as a counter-effect, creating an alternate reality where that person (in Serge's case) doesn't exist anymore.Since Serge was in a life-death situation when he was saved by Kid, the original reality kept going on as if Serge was dead.
There is no scientific proof here, it's the theory I like most-especially because it gives a connection between Crono and Serge's "rebirths" and a neat example of what could happened in CT if no clone was used.
Moreover, it's reasonable to think that the Dimensional Split was the only way to create the Crono Cross-which was in turn the only way to defeat the Devourer of Time.
Fight a paradox with a paradox !!!
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Well... Chains wouldn't want me giving away too much, but this update was released before the Compendium revalation that Lavos did not originally "mold" humans in its image. (Actually, wow, this update is over a year old. LOL XD) I can't really say much more, but I'm hoping that our game will show that people aren't black and white--that people's intentions and dreams are all just different shades of gray, some are just darker than others.
Of course, there are always greedy little gits like Zeal, but y'know, so it goes. "Absolute power corrupts absolutely".
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Hey, i was just browsing the web and found this site. i like your game idea. I came up with my own game idea last year (Chrono Splice) but i don't know how to make games. my game was in another deminsion were the chrono trigger team lost to lavos and you play as one of the characters descendents. in the game lavos is still on the planet and has guarded himself/herself/it (don't know which) with a spell type dilio. to get through the spell you need the chrono splice which is a merger of the time egg, the crono cross, and scalla/kid's pendant. in the game you travel across deminsions and through time and can even get some characters from both of the original teams . E-mail me if u like it. goinsandrew@yahoo.com and put the subject as Chrono splice. also visit my site ( i know it stinks but I need the company :() @ www.freewebs.com\goinsandrew1224
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Oh man, too much time had passed... I wonder if how many percent of the project is completed...
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I can't give a literal percentage, but we're making good progress. The game has a gigantic amount of content, so it's gonna take a while to complete. ^^
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:D Wow. This game sounds great! I may check out the forum, though knowing me, I'll probably won't post very often :shock:
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So far, it sounds great. I can't wait.
As for the Lavos making Humans evil subject - he didn't.
The game explicitly states that humans had no contact with Lavos till 3,000,000BC. And even then, that was with the Frozen Flame. Humans aren't inherently evil or good, however by coming in contact with the flame, they were able to comprehend so many new concepts (such as Belthasar said Love and Hate) and were able to pretty much become independent and more self centered in that sense.
That very self centeredness is what made Zeal look bad. The fact that people would want to live forever. I can't imagine Ayla wanting to live forever, but then again she wasn't as mentally evolved as everyone else.
Secondly, the Earthbound ones aren't innocent, they just can't cast magic. The game makes it out that everyone after 3,000,000BC has the potential for magic, it's just that not everyone was born with a high degree of magical potency, like the Zeal family.
Furthermore, you can't call the Dragon God evil. They still have some sort of sanity, it's just that their reasoning may be flawed. Remember, they had to fight the humans because they were dragged into the human world (all thanks to Belthasar) and had to witness many of Dragonians perish. What else would you assume the Dragon God would think of humans besides being the reason behind every catastrophe?
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It's just a matter of time till this project is issued a C & D notice by SE themselves. Not only are you violating copyright law (i.e. Fair use doctrine) but your also violating SE's Terms of Use as well, not a good way to start an actual sequel to the Chrono franchise. Also, no how legit the story scenario may sound, or how cool the characters may look or resemble the original ol' gang - in the end, it's just fanservice from the get-go. Now, I hold no personal grudge towards anyone here or ill intent to cease the project itself, just thought it would be wise to let you know on a one-on-one level, or maybe you knew from the beginning? For instance, say the production of Chrono Crisis has already took its place, its just like me taking your "work" and recreating it into something that best suits my taste and criteria; the same applies here, and last time I check Akira Toriyama didn't collaborate with what seems to be teenagers, so it seems. The project itself is rife with original works from the original production team, although you say it's a "sequel", or so I believe it is. For those of you who fail to agree with me and feel the need to bash me since I lack a elitist title, don't bother; I stand by what I write and speak the truth from the get-go and also did my fair share of writing for the gaming industries. Just my input, take it and do what you want with it.
- LA Journalist
CV Times
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This website is also a complete copyright infringement. Fans feel a need to express themselves, and sometimes use these projects as an avenue. Only the most deluded would consider their work an actual sequel, as none of us has professional game development experience or education (minus one). Fan projects are more so a way to generate interest in the series and activity in the community, which will still be accomplished if a C&D is issued. But that's their real purpose: like fan sites, they organize information and build collections of fans to perpetuate their liking of the games. If Crisis gets a C&D, ah, well, guess there's no way around it.
No one's going to "bash" you for speaking the truth, though. From the get-go, I've held the people outraged over Chrono Trigger Resurrection's cease and desist withdrawal to be buffoons. At least here, no one thinks that game companies are evil corporations (minus 3D Realms), or that Square Enix is somehow "the man" trying to oppress fans. The Compendium's pretty unique in that regard; it's not overrun by idiots.
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All that stuff aside, Zeality, you don't really believe that was an actual journalist who posted that, do you? It sounds more like some random Chrono Trigger fan who doesn't like the Chrono Compendium--I can think of half a dozen off the top of my head that would be capable--who put together this statement just to shout at Chrono Crisis because it sticks to every aspect of the canon rather than just to Chrono Trigger.
To be honest, I doubt Chrono Crisis will get a cease and desist, mainly because it isn't being promoted as much as certain other fan projects have. I've seen a whole bunch of fan projects for different games that take a similiar scale as Crisis or Resurrection, and they never received cease and desist letters. Final Fantasy H--a remake of Final Fantasy One with a whole bunch of original stuff tossed into it made using the OHR RPG CE--was made several years ago and is still quite popular, yet was never cancelled. Crisis will probably be the same way. From what I can tell, Square was far more bothered by the 3-D remake aspects of Resurrection more than the actual fan project itself. After all, they haven't sent cease and desist letters to every fan project, only Ressurection and...that...other...one...that was basically the same thing, a 3-D remake that.
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So basically what I'm saying is that the journalist's argument is bunk.
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I would guess that it's D R E A M, but his grammar was never that good.
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It's just a matter of time till this project is issued a C & D notice by SE themselves. Not only are you violating copyright law (i.e. Fair use doctrine) but your also violating SE's Terms of Use as well, not a good way to start an actual sequel to the Chrono franchise. Also, no how legit the story scenario may sound, or how cool the characters may look or resemble the original ol' gang - in the end, it's just fanservice from the get-go. Now, I hold no personal grudge towards anyone here or ill intent to cease the project itself, just thought it would be wise to let you know on a one-on-one level, or maybe you knew from the beginning? For instance, say the production of Chrono Crisis has already took its place, its just like me taking your "work" and recreating it into something that best suits my taste and criteria; the same applies here, and last time I check Akira Toriyama didn't collaborate with what seems to be teenagers, so it seems. The project itself is rife with original works from the original production team, although you say it's a "sequel", or so I believe it is. For those of you who fail to agree with me and feel the need to bash me since I lack a elitist title, don't bother; I stand by what I write and speak the truth from the get-go and also did my fair share of writing for the gaming industries. Just my input, take it and do what you want with it.
- LA Journalist
CV Times
You write like a teenager and have the common sense of a total dipshit.
"OH MY GOD! Some teenagers are making a fan game! They must not realize that their game isn't an actual sequel. I better go tell them that they're not creating an official game with the original creators, and that their work infringes copyright laws by deriving from another work without permission!"
Well, thank you CPT Obvious.
Whatever CV Times is, it must be complete bullshit with people like you writing for it.
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It's just a matter of time till this project is issued a C & D notice by SE themselves. Not only are you violating copyright law (i.e. Fair use doctrine) but your also violating SE's Terms of Use as well, not a good way to start an actual sequel to the Chrono franchise. Also, no how legit the story scenario may sound, or how cool the characters may look or resemble the original ol' gang - in the end, it's just fanservice from the get-go. Now, I hold no personal grudge towards anyone here or ill intent to cease the project itself, just thought it would be wise to let you know on a one-on-one level, or maybe you knew from the beginning? For instance, say the production of Chrono Crisis has already took its place, its just like me taking your "work" and recreating it into something that best suits my taste and criteria; the same applies here, and last time I check Akira Toriyama didn't collaborate with what seems to be teenagers, so it seems. The project itself is rife with original works from the original production team, although you say it's a "sequel", or so I believe it is. For those of you who fail to agree with me and feel the need to bash me since I lack a elitist title, don't bother; I stand by what I write and speak the truth from the get-go and also did my fair share of writing for the gaming industries. Just my input, take it and do what you want with it.
- LA Journalist
CV Times
Oh wow, I totally didn't realize that we weren't making a real sequel. So that's why I haven't been getting my paychecks in the mail. And here I've been telling off the postman every week.
For the record, I'd be honored to be considered a big enough fish by Square to get a C&D. Resurrection and Rebirth looked friggin amazing, so I'd take a C&D as saying we were looking "too good".
Why do we work on Crisis? Because it's fun. We are fans, and we also enjoy game design. So where another fan may draw a fanart, or write a fanfic, we make a fan game. It is fan service, because yeah--it's a fan game. For some reason, there's this opinion in the gamer community that fan fiction (and other fan works) are inherently wrong and stupid. That's flawed logic. Sure, there are loads of bad works out there (I've seen my share of horrendous fanfics), but there are also lots of fan works that are near pro-quality. Chrono Trigger Resurrection was amazing, there's the Chrono Trigger Novel Project (and they're actually hoping to get published)--all sorts of things. Awesome fan comics (VG Cats, 8-bit) and flash animations (Super Mario Bros. Z and the like). These are pieces that entertain people as well as remind them fondly of something they're a fan of, which is always interesting to a fan. I in particular like seeing different fanworks because you get to see all of the different speculations made by fans (the Compendium articles are the best for this). I don't think there's anything wrong with a fan work if you work hard on it, and are true to the work you're supposed to be honoring. It's also good for the companies (even if they might C&D it), because it generates new interest in a product that may have run its course, or is in between titles. There have been quite a few people who've joined the Crisis forums and then try to locate a copy of Chrono Trigger or Chrono Cross because reading about Crisis makes them curious about the previous games.
Crisis is an awesome way to get practice for those of us who are working to learn to develop games because we do have to work alongside an established fanbase. Thus, we have to be prepared to receive wrath from said fanbase if we do something wrong. It makes writing and developing challenging, and thus, a lot more fun. It's also something we do because we enjoy the Chrono series and have a good time speculating. Neither Chains nor myself would ever expect our works to make their way into the official canon (that'd be insane), but instead are trying our darnedest to make sure we obey the canon as much as possible. (I would be honored if our works were considered "in line" with the canon. It'd at least mean that we all did our homework correctly) Yes, we DO advertise ourselves as a possible sequel or fan-sequel, but that's really just a fancy way of saying a "what-if" story.
And if we get C&Ded, well, as bad as it'd suck we could always tweak the game enough to where it'd be releasable, or we could just release the script as a fanfic (though it wouldn't read so good, you'd all at least see what we had planned). Really it doesn't bug me too much these days. I can always go back to working on DV. I'm not gonna stop working on Crisis just because of something that might happen.
And Zaperking--the post at the beginning of this topic isn't a really good way to gauge our current story either--like I said before, this was made over a year ago, and thus is obsolete. Plus there was a Compendium release a while ago that said that Lavos didn't affect evolution and whatnot, so we removed that from the script too. It wasn't a huge change, but I just didn't want you to judge the story on something so old. (And that sprite is HORRID! Urrrgh--he needs to come and edit this so Serge is updated) XD I probably should have Chains come and edit the first post since I can't. LOL
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Nice one. Ramsus pegged what I was thinking of commenting with. Heh.
Yeah... it'd suck to get a C&D, but at the same time be somewhat of an honor.
(and possibly a wake up call to S-E that they NEED to appease us with a new game so that we'll quit making our own - and hopefully make one that'll please any fan of the CT/CC spectrum; especially if Akira Toriyama does it)
*hopes and prays that Crisis will be completed long before S-E ever finds out about it*
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You write like a teenager and have the common sense of a total dipshit.
"OH MY GOD! Some teenagers are making a fan game! They must not realize that their game isn't an actual sequel. I better go tell them that they're not creating an official game with the original creators, and that their work infringes copyright laws by deriving from another work without permission!"
Well, thank you CPT Obvious.
Whatever CV Times is, it must be complete bullshit with people like you writing for it.
Common sense? Why yes of course. Like a "total dipshit"? No. Way to excessively exaggerate, at least you put it in simpler terms for the younger folks here. I find it quite comical how some of you feel superior, well self-satisfied, that the "projects" that you declare here are near perfect or exclusive to the point that the project itself is thrown aside the next minute; now talk about being egoistic, or pressured. ROM hacking and preoccupying yourself with your "Ultra 3000 RPG Maker" is all dandy and all, but that's not to say some (or more) of you still lack the understanding of the word determination. No one (including myself) here is trying to make you feel inferior to the "gaming world", only you yourself can accept the truth or the obvious; the time is ticking. For those of you who feel I'm stating the obvious - way to go, you just earned yourself a gold star! Really, last time I checked, it wasn't a crime for speaking your mind and posting it on a BBS, take it with a grain of salt; just don't be ill-tempered about it, or maybe I just came by on a wrong day? If this is expected to be the norm around here, then it's quite disappointing to say that the Chrono Compendium community is really lacking their fair share of hospitality; well I guess SE had their lunch break. Just some advice before I depart for the better good - take it easy, be yourself, have fun, and do what you love to do.
聞くことをありがとう。住み、学びなさい。楽しい時を過しなさい。
- LA Journalist
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I don't get the gloom and doom over a possible C&D. I mean, why *were* Ressurrection and Rebirth C&D'ed?
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Let's compare the 3d remakes with crisis with this handy dandy list:
1. I'm not certain if Resurrection was for profit--I've heard both. Let's assume it wasn't. Either way, Crisis surely isn't. (Right guys? :wink:)
2. This one's really vague, let's skip it.
3. Ok, here's a big difference between the two games. Crisis is borrowing a setting and some characters, but focusing on an entire new set of people. Resurrection was copying the entire game.
4. Here's the kicker. A 3D Chrono Trigger remake was, and is, a viable game for Square to make. Given that the graphics of Ressurection were superb, at least stndard quality for the time, and very likely a lot like Square Enix's possible graphics, this game could've cut a huge swath out of the market for a potential Square-Enix remake. Whereas the only thing Crisis can do is help the franchise. I mean, if Square-Enix does make a sequel, there're not gonna make it in RPG Maker. It won't be 2D. The markets for the games don't interesect; no one would play Crisis thinking it's a true sequel, & no one would download Crisis instead of paying for a sequel.
I'm pointing this out to say Crisis should put up a quixotic fight if they are C&D'ed or anything, just pointing out why Square Enix's lawyers have better things to do than write letters to the Crisis team. Crisis is not a threat. Really, the doom & gloomers seem like people who can't get over the C&D'ing of Resurrection & see the big Squeenix bogeyman behind every corner.
I'm also not belittling Crisis, which I find amazing in all regards, judging by what they've realeased so far. The production values are simply amazing, and the writing... "May our prayers for peace echo throughout eternity." SO CHRONO! Yesiree, this project will give me the Chrono fix I need until I can go out and buy (hopefully) Chrono Break and an entire new concole to play it on!
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and the writing... "May our prayers for peace echo throughout eternity." SO CHRONO!
It's a direct quotation of an inscription on Nadia's Bell in Chrono Cross.
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ROM hacking and preoccupying yourself with your "Ultra 3000 RPG Maker" is all dandy and all, but that's not to say some (or more) of you still lack the understanding of the word determination. No one (including myself) here is trying to make you feel inferior to the "gaming world", only you yourself can accept the truth or the obvious; the time is ticking.
(n) determination, purpose: the quality of being determined to do or achieve something; firmness of purpose; "his determination showed in his every movement"
I think you're misunderstanding determination. The end result is completely beyond the point. If you're determined to scale Everest, but fail, does that make you any less determined than the person who made it? Chrono Trigger Ressurection was C&Ded, but does that mean that its creators didn't have determination in its creation? Absolutely not. Determination is measured in the individual footsteps, not the entire journey as a whole.
To quit without trying--that would be a lack of determination.
God, I sound like a self-help booklet. XD
Anyway, I'm done on that subject. I have a feeling I know who you are anyway, and posting here in the first place was a deviation from what I'd hoped to do when this day came. "LA Journalist", eh? It could just as easily be San Diego. And while I do respect your right for you to post your mind, you have to respect the fact that people won't always agree with you.
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That's D R E A M, gentlemen. He popped up at Chrono Crisis's forums again (the ones he tried to subvert, along with these). Since a ghastly number of forumers at those forums seem to be indifferent to his return, I've called for his removal and have also banned that IP here.
http://z14.invisionfree.com/ChronoCrisis/index.php?showtopic=1980&st=30#entry3966497
I will echo here what I did there. On behalf of the entire Chrono community, F-U-C-K D R E A M. There is no CV times, no Square Enix employer in Square Enix, and no person with that nickname to ever make an honorable or grammatically coherent post on these forums.
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You write like a teenager and have the common sense of a total dipshit.
"OH MY GOD! Some teenagers are making a fan game! They must not realize that their game isn't an actual sequel. I better go tell them that they're not creating an official game with the original creators, and that their work infringes copyright laws by deriving from another work without permission!"
Well, thank you CPT Obvious.
Whatever CV Times is, it must be complete bullshit with people like you writing for it.
Common sense? Why yes of course. Like a "total dipshit"? No. Way to excessively exaggerate, at least you put it in simpler terms for the younger folks here. I find it quite comical how some of you feel superior, well self-satisfied, that the "projects" that you declare here are near perfect or exclusive to the point that the project itself is thrown aside the next minute; now talk about being egoistic, or pressured. ROM hacking and preoccupying yourself with your "Ultra 3000 RPG Maker" is all dandy and all, but that's not to say some (or more) of you still lack the understanding of the word determination. No one (including myself) here is trying to make you feel inferior to the "gaming world", only you yourself can accept the truth or the obvious; the time is ticking. For those of you who feel I'm stating the obvious - way to go, you just earned yourself a gold star! Really, last time I checked, it wasn't a crime for speaking your mind and posting it on a BBS, take it with a grain of salt; just don't be ill-tempered about it, or maybe I just came by on a wrong day? If this is expected to be the norm around here, then it's quite disappointing to say that the Chrono Compendium community is really lacking their fair share of hospitality; well I guess SE had their lunch break. Just some advice before I depart for the better good - take it easy, be yourself, have fun, and do what you love to do.
聞くことをありがとう。住み、学びなさい。楽しい時を過しなさい。
- LA Journalist
You're a total dipshit because you feel the need to talk to some kids having fun tinkering around with software and graphics as though they're a bunch of handicapped retards trying to get into the next World Olympics and compete, when they have no intention of going to the Olympics. They just like doing what they're doing.
Not to mention the only reason for you to do that is just stroke your own inadequate feelings of superficial significance. "Oooh! Look at me, I'm higher up on the hierarchy of the gamer world!"
You're just some worthless fuck who pretends to write pointless shit about bloody fucking games and feels the need to seek out people to put down just to feel significant.
All I can say is fuck off and grow up. Maybe then I'll show you half a bit of the respect I show some of the other people here.
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Maybe then I'll show you half a bit of the respect I show some of the other people here.
Respect? For me? I, I feel, loved. :P
You know, I once had respect for D R E A M, he/she seemed to be a nice person. But I guess that's the internet for ya, you can completely lie to millions of people.
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Hey guys, you have a administrator who is a self-proclaimed "Director" that goes by the name of ZeaLity. He also believes that he speaks for the entire Chrono series community, way to live in a small world apart from reality ZeaLity! You can't even begin to grasp the true fandom of the Chrono community out there, yet you sincerely believe that your website is the oasis for the Chrono fandom; such narrow-mindedness. You also have another administrator that goes by the name of Ramsus who too can't grasp the form of reality, and he even lacks the motivation to encourage those who are trying to make it big apart from this so-called oasis; maybe just maybe when he grows up he can stop using such foul kiddy slang and learn to face reality. Till then, feel free to continue observing these old men play with their "Ultra-Mega 3000 RPG Maker" and ROM hacks while being self-centered elitists.
- LA Journalist
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Hey guys, you have a administrator who is a self-proclaimed "Director" that goes by the name of ZeaLity. He also believes that he speaks for the entire Chrono series community, way to live in a small world apart from reality ZeaLity! You can't even begin to grasp the true fandom of the Chrono community out there, yet you sincerely believe that your website is the oasis for the Chrono fandom; such narrow-mindedness. You also have another administrator that goes by the name of Ramsus who too can't grasp the form of reality, and he even lacks the motivation to encourage those who are trying to make it big apart from this so-called oasis; maybe just maybe when he grows up he can stop using such foul kiddy slang and learn to face reality. Till then, feel free to continue observing these old men play with their "Ultra-Mega 3000 RPG Maker" and ROM hacks while being self-centered elitists.
- LA Journalist
So, who are you anyway? Your name is D.R.E.A.M., that much I gathered, but I know nothing of who you are apart from that. I am also curious as to why you hate Crisis. Because it treats Chrono Cross as canon?
I fail to see how Zeality does not represent the true Chrono community if--and I say if because I am not certain--you are one of those people who ignores one half/third of the entire Chrono series.
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He's a random jerk who signed up to this and Crisis's forums proclaiming that he was an employee of Square Enix and wanted to help with fan projects and other things. He used flowery speech to win position of administrator on their forums, but we never gave him any kind of special ability or treatment here. His stories were contradictory and his IP was not in an area in which Square Enix even had an office. A month later, he attempted to hijack the Crisis forums, deleting several members and trying to lock out the others before Chains of Fate finally got rid of him. Now he's back to whine about his failure.
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Well, this is the first time I've seen this sort of tomfoolery on the site (although there's lots of parts I haven't yet explored). Too bad, really. The folks here in general seem pretty solid.
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Well, this is the first time I've seen this sort of tomfoolery on the site (although there's lots of parts I haven't yet explored). Too bad, really. The folks here in general seem pretty solid.
Yeah, he gave a bad name to us in a way.
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He's a random jerk who signed up to this and Crisis's forums proclaiming that he was an employee of Square Enix and wanted to help with fan projects and other things. He used flowery speech to win position of administrator on their forums, but we never gave him any kind of special ability or treatment here. His stories were contradictory and his IP was not in an area in which Square Enix even had an office. A month later, he attempted to hijack the Crisis forums, deleting several members and trying to lock out the others before Chains of Fate finally got rid of him. Now he's back to whine about his failure.
Ah. Thank you, Zeality.
And no, he doesn't give us a bad name. He gives himself a bad name.
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Ah, I knew it was him. He was directly referencing Zeality's post on Crisis when he called him "Director".
I think he popped up on Crisis again because we retorted him. If you notice, he reappeared on Crisis a few days after appearing here--actually, within 5 hours of my own retort. I guess he didn't like that and figured he could go back to our forums and pull this whole apology thing.
To explain my inaction when he popped back up at Crisis--Dream seems to be the type who relishes attention and control. So, by ignoring him (and asking the forumers to do the same thing) I was hoping he'd get bored and give up. Seems to have failed. I guess we just have to keep banning his IPs until he gets sick of playing.
Bleh, all this drama over something so stupid. IP bans don't seem to work either, as I've seen him with no fewer than 5 IP addresses since he arrived on our forums last year. Unfortunately we'll probably see more of him until he gets tired or grows up.
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He's probably bouncing off a number of proxy sites...it's not that hard to do, really. All you can do is wait for him to give up, unless you want to report him to his ISP for harrasment or what have you.
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He's a random jerk who signed up to this and Crisis's forums proclaiming that he was an employee of Square Enix and wanted to help with fan projects and other things. He used flowery speech to win position of administrator on their forums, but we never gave him any kind of special ability or treatment here. His stories were contradictory and his IP was not in an area in which Square Enix even had an office. A month later, he attempted to hijack the Crisis forums, deleting several members and trying to lock out the others before Chains of Fate finally got rid of him. Now he's back to whine about his failure.
pwned :shock:
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Hey guys, you have a administrator who is a self-proclaimed "Director" that goes by the name of ZeaLity. He also believes that he speaks for the entire Chrono series community, way to live in a small world apart from reality ZeaLity! You can't even begin to grasp the true fandom of the Chrono community out there, yet you sincerely believe that your website is the oasis for the Chrono fandom; such narrow-mindedness. You also have another administrator that goes by the name of Ramsus who too can't grasp the form of reality, and he even lacks the motivation to encourage those who are trying to make it big apart from this so-called oasis; maybe just maybe when he grows up he can stop using such foul kiddy slang and learn to face reality. Till then, feel free to continue observing these old men play with their "Ultra-Mega 3000 RPG Maker" and ROM hacks while being self-centered elitists.
- LA Journalist
I do something significant and meaningful with my life, while you have to masquerade behind false credentials and self-righteously berate others just to feel even a fraction as significant as I am. You're so insecure and self-absorbed that you're arguing about the nature of "fandom" and the "Chrono series community," and about motivating people who like to hack ROMs, draw sprites, or mess with some basic scripting to try and "make it big."
If anyone's lost touch with reality, it's you.
It's more than obvious that a bunch of kids with the hobby of making fangames using generic tools wouldn't have any intention of making it big, because if they even thought they could, they'd have already spun their entire project into something completely unrelated to the Chrono series and started working on it full time.
That's why I'm not motivated to even try and involve myself with any of the projects here, yet alone guide them anywhere. All I do is occasionally maintain the site and post a little, because I know what my priorities in life are, and none of it involves any of the bullshit you rave about.
The reality is, compared to the foul mass of diarrhea gushing from your keyboard that you would dare consider English, even my most vulgar of language becomes elaborate and persuasive, because you're just a crazy fucker who needs petty Internet attention to feel important.
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LET ME BAN THAT B I T C H ALREADY ><!!!!!
don't know who i am? , Google my name or go check the crisis forums
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Hey guys, you have a administrator who is a self-proclaimed "Director" that goes by the name of ZeaLity. He also believes that he speaks for the entire Chrono series community, way to live in a small world apart from reality ZeaLity! You can't even begin to grasp the true fandom of the Chrono community out there, yet you sincerely believe that your website is the oasis for the Chrono fandom; such narrow-mindedness. You also have another administrator that goes by the name of Ramsus who too can't grasp the form of reality, and he even lacks the motivation to encourage those who are trying to make it big apart from this so-called oasis; maybe just maybe when he grows up he can stop using such foul kiddy slang and learn to face reality. Till then, feel free to continue observing these old men play with their "Ultra-Mega 3000 RPG Maker" and ROM hacks while being self-centered elitists.
- LA Journalist
If this is D R E A M he's a TOtal noob saying he's a SE emploie on MSN IM and a LA journalist hear
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and the writing... "May our prayers for peace echo throughout eternity." SO CHRONO!
It's a direct quotation of an inscription on Nadia's Bell in Chrono Cross.
D'oh!
...well, I still stand by assertion that the Crisis writing is incredible. I just picked the wrong bit to quote.
Man, if I didn't take offense to stupidity so easily I'd find the whole D R E A M incident utterly hilarious.
I do give him points for "Ultra-Mega 3000 RPG Maker." If there was a RPG making program in the Cronoverse, that'd be its name.
Hmm. The 3000 would flow better if it was at the end.