Chrono Compendium
Zenan Plains - Site Discussion => Polling => Topic started by: BFG on November 19, 2005, 01:22:35 am
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Just for fun.
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Magus, because he can kick your ass if you don't know what to do.
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Both Mother Brain & Son of Sun were bastards the first time I faced them...But I think Zeal should be up there too...She was the bitch that kept on bitchin'...I lost to her on a New Game+ because of Hallation...
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Mother Brain...That brings back memories :( i had to...to... :cry: ...USE CHEATS!
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It was Giga Gaia, for me.
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Giga Gaya, the first time i died...(not counting vs lavos via bucket)
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The stupid enemy in Fiona's desert...Goddamn, that thing was a pain. I never had so many problems with any other CT boss as him.
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Nizbel and perhaps Golem Twins.
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I dunno why, but I never really had trouble with any of the *tricky* enemies (such as those who require a certain element to defeat etc.). The only time I really got wiped was battling Lavos's final form, and that was due to some weirdness where my physical def wasn't up to snuff or something.
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Giga Gaia was I think the first time I got wiped. I was like, what just happened?
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Magus...
I had to do that battle three times.
First time: Chrono, Frog, Robo.
Second time: Chrono, Frog, Lucca.
Third time: Chrono, Frog, Marle...and I won that time.o.o
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Magus, because he can kick your ass if you don't know what to do.
O my he was so tough for me. I lost a trillion time.
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Am I the only one who thought the first battle against Magus was one of the easiest in the game (even for my first time) >_>?
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Yes, yes you are. I do think there are tougher people but he was tough.
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It's just because he's one of the only enemies that requires you to use certain magic against him.
(BTW Zealty, nice work :wink: )
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Or you could just MasaMune him to death (LONG battle)...
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Hello all, long-time lurker (around a year), first-time poster. What a fitting first post, on the first time you play the game!
There are a few bosses that stand out in my mind.
- The first battle with Magus actually didn't take me *too* long. It was tricky, yes, but not that bad compared to others.
- Fighting Azala and Black Tyrano took a while because I thought that I was supposed to take out Black Tyrano before Azala. Once I figured out that it's a lot easier to take out Azala first, it wasn't that bad.
- The boss under the desert in the optional quest was quite hard too. He took a while.
-Son of Sun would have been hard, except one of my characters (Frog I believe) was wearing fire-absorbing armour, so I just let the other two perish while Frog took on Son of Sun alone. Piece of Cake.
-Mother Brain... By FAR the hardest the first time I tried. Still is the hardest too (for me at least). It's probably because my normal strategy is so destructive when fighting Mother Brain, as I tend to heal a bunch, which means that I wasn't doing damage to her fast enough. The whole damage increasing every time took me a bit to get used to.
-Lavos form three wasn't exactly hard, but he took me a while. You see, for some reason it took me forever to figure out that I needed to attack Lavos Core to beat him. I don't know why it took me so long. Regardless, that error just cost me a few ethers.
So, in conclusion, Mother Brain was by far the hardest for me the first time around, and still is. Then again, I've never fought Magus the second time (as I always have him join me), so I can't say about that.
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Just want to say welcome to the compendium srs0.
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Thanks! I'd edit my post, but I don't see an edit button. I hope that I'm not missing it?
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Just wondering, why would you edit your first post? Son of Sun and Mother Brain are the hardest. Funny how "middle" bosses are always the hardest. Screw you people, i did find Riku 2nd form (i think. The one where you fight alone) the hardest real boss in the whole game.
And welcome
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Am I the only one who thought the first battle against Magus was one of the easiest in the game (even for my first time) >_>?
No, I defeated him with the first try, too.
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Magus, ooooh i remember haveing a mental breakdown trying to beat him, in the end it totalled about 23 rentals, and bite marks in the controller. Then i beat him, and i had to run and tell my bro.
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Just wondering, why would you edit your first post?
I would have edited my first post so that I could just add a "thank you" instead of having to make an entirely new post for a few words.
Thanks to you too!
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So...you would say thanks before he even said welcome :shock:
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Welcome, srs0.
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I would have to say the Golem Twins. I only beat them my first time because I had Frog continuously cast Heal, Robo continuously cast heal beam, and Crono constintly cast Luminaire/use FullEthers on himself. I trained for quite a while to get Luminaire, then the fight was pretty easy.
I'd also say GolemBoss, just because I consider the fight lost if he manages to run...
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I'd also say GolemBoss, just because I consider the fight lost if he manages to run...
Took me a couple of playthroughs to realize you can beat that fiend at all...
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Is it right to just welcome someone on this thread? Just curious...
and welcome!
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GolemBoss: ...I might have beat him, or he finally ran away. :P
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Giga Gaia wasted me like I was a lvl one newbie. The Golem Twins killed me no fewer than 10 times before I finally deiced to just Lumiaire them to oblivion. The Azala/Black Tyran fight wasn’t too hard, but it was so long that I was worried I'd run out of recovery items before it was over. All the more reason I went to the Lavos battle with 99 Elixirs in my pouch. :wink:
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Are we counting Golem? Because that'd be nuts to think that people would legitamately beat it their first playthrough w/no fair warning what-so-ever...
Oh yeah, Golem Boss totally ran on me first playthrough...but on my first New Game+ I was all over the bastard...You won't run on me ever again!!! BWAH HAHA!!!
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I *actually* had no trouble with any of the golems on my first run. However, ever since my first playthrough of the game I was at LEAST level 40 before fighting Giga Gaia, so overtraining is a tradition.
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Wow, a big welcoming reception, thanks everyone!
So...you would say thanks before he even said welcome :shock:
Sort of, but I'd put that I had edited it to say that... It's just one of my weird quirks I suppose. I don't like to make a new post unless I have something useful to contribute normally, so I tend to edit if possible.
Are we counting Golem? Because that'd be nuts to think that people would legitamately beat it their first playthrough w/no fair warning what-so-ever...
Well, I don't know about others, but I'm quite paranoid about that stuff. I'm always ready for surprise attacks. In other words, I'm almost always fully healed and all. That and my strategy at that point in the game involved Chrono, Marle, and Frog, so I had huge amounts of healing there. Aura whirl, heal, etc. So yeah, it is possible to legitimately beat him on your first run through with no warning, but it takes a certain degree of paranoia I suppose.
Oh yeah, Golem Boss totally ran on me first playthrough...but on my first New Game+ I was all over the bastard...You won't run on me ever again!!! BWAH HAHA!!!
Golem Boss runs? I don't think I've ever had that happen to me. Either that or I totally forget it maybe? I don't know.
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I think it was a joke.
The first time on golem boss I thought i killed him...then i read a FAQ which totaly destroyed my dream of have won...
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I *actually* had no trouble with any of the golems on my first run. However, ever since my first playthrough of the game I was at LEAST level 40 before fighting Giga Gaia, so overtraining is a tradition.
Yeah, I know what you mean, in Final Fantasy VI I had leveled up to level 60 before the opera house. I had no trouble winning anymore :P
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Wow... I've got to say that's impressive. I think the most I was at was level 14 / 15
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Wow that is very impresive :roll:
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Wow... I've got to say that's impressive. I think the most I was at was level 14 / 15
Thanks only a couple of Ultimas took dow Final Cefca :P
Other is winning with 33% [9]
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My hardest boss to date is Lavos 2, solely because I think my game has a freaked-out power stat for him. Almost every time he used Grand Stone, my party was instantly 90% dead. That meant 2 people dead and one barely alive. That was at full health -- otherwise, instant KO. I wanted to reach into the screen and kill him myself after a while.
Magus was just time-consuming, not hard, to me. I kicked his butt first time around either way; the barriers made it longer.
Giga Gaia was a challenge, but not so annoying that I wanted to throw my controller. That's about my standard for boss super-difficulty.
Golem Boss was easy, even keeping him from running away, to me. I died to the Golems I was supposed to die to, and since that's part of the game, I don't consider them real boss battles. I know you can beat them, but I never bothered to level up that much.
I also never bothered to fight Spekkio in Nu form, so he's not on my list at all; by the time he got there, I was weary of boss fights and just wanted to get endings. Spekkio didn't matter that much to the game in terms of his battles, so I ignored him. Maybe I can count him as the hardest, because each time I fought him before, he creamed me, but I think I was under-level, so I won't count it.
I also won't count Flea -- she was the first boss I ever fought because my friend plunked me down into the middle of the game and I had no clue what I was doing. I was so happy when I finally got to Slash...and then I died. But the battle was so memorable :) Whenever I hear the generic boss music, I think of that one.
Optional bosses were no big deal, except it took me a fight or two to figure out Son of Sun. He was a pain, but not super-hard once I figured him out. (Area attacks = bad.)
Masamune was in the middle. He took a while to die, but wasn't much of a problem.
Some people mentioned Queen Zeal. Hallation made me want to scream, but I had so many Full Elixirs (Is that what they're called? I forget. Those super-healing items.) by then because I'm item-paranoid. I never use anything powerful or super-healing, because I know that someday I'll hit that evil boss battle where I'll burn up my entire inventory...most of the time I end up keeping them for the whole game because I always expect someone worse...
Come to think of it, I was fairly well-prepared for every boss battle except Lavos' second form. I may be forgetting a boss, but I don't think so.
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Lavos? I remember myself scanning all the world for Elixirs and MegaElixirs before the battle. I think I had collected 15 or more ME, but I only had to use 2 or 3 of them. :D
The GolemTwins were a challenge. For some reason I don't remember, the first time I played through, I had lost many times (but not as many as with Nizbel), until I noticed the newly obtained skill 'Luminaire' :twisted: ...
And yes, the GolemBoss might flee. This is what he is supposed to do (he is afraid of heights). However, you can defeat him before he runs away, if you use many strong attacks.
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Whoa, he runs away? I've always killed him...never knew that =O.
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I think it's a tie between the Golem Twins and the Guardian for me. I remember it took me forever to beat both of them.
I actually did beat Magus the first time I fought him, but when it was over only Lucca was still alive and with only a few HP left at that. (Reminds me of how I beat Dario the first time...)
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Giga Gaia was really hard for me, first time I died.
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Eh for me, it would have to be Giga Gaia. omg the first time i fought him i was like...kersplat. hehe ^ ^
I thought Magus was pretty easy, and Lavos 1st form was kind of hard, when you faught him at the Ocean Palace. But other than that, no problems.
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I'm saying Mother Brain and Zeal (when she's the face and hands). Mother Brain kept confusing Ayla, in which Ayla seemed to always kill Frog, then Robo.
Zeal in her final form was hard as hell. She kept killing off Crono, and so I beat her with only Ayla and Frog, barely.
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Eh for me, it would have to be Giga Gaia. omg the first time i fought him i was like...kersplat. hehe ^ ^
Wow, I'm not the only one to make my first post in this thread! Welcome!
I found that if you could survive the initial damage from Giga Gaia (when he uses the two dual hand attacks before you even get a chance to do anything), then you've survived the hardest part involving him. That's just my experience though.
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Eh for me, it would have to be Giga Gaia. omg the first time i fought him i was like...kersplat. hehe ^ ^
Wow, I'm not the only one to make my first post in this thread! Welcome!
I found that if you could survive the initial damage from Giga Gaia (when he uses the two dual hand attacks before you even get a chance to do anything), then you've survived the hardest part involving him. That's just my experience though.
That subtle stroke of realism is something I like about Chrono Trigger: There are a number of bosses in the game where, if you make progress against them, the fight actually becomes easier rather than harder. When you defeat either of Giga Gaia's hands, or (two of) the Mother Brain's computers, or the Guardian's Bits, or Lavos' Bits, or Lavos' arms, or Slash and Flea, or the Dragon Tank's wheels, the main boss becomes easier to fight. The Mammon Machine doesn't have "bits," but I think it loses power during the course of the fight. Same idea. Anyhow, this is in contrast to traditional RPG creed, which dictates that defeating part of a boss makes the remaining part even stronger. I like it.
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Although I agree and it's that part of CT that makes gameplay enjoyable and not an absolute snooze, what RPGs make the main boss stronger by beating the parts of it??? I mean, I know that there are bosses that have stronger parts after you've beaten sections of the boss. I think that at least a few of FFVI's bosses were just like CT...
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The Mammon Machine doesn't have "bits," but I think it loses power during the course of the fight.
If I recall correctly, once you do enough damage to the Mammon Machine it says "the Mammon Machine stands still" or something to that effect, so I believe that's true. I could be wrong though.
I too love how they get easier.
Although I agree and it's that part of CT that makes gameplay enjoyable and not an absolute snooze, what RPGs make the main boss stronger by beating the parts of it??? I mean, I know that there are bosses that have stronger parts after you've beaten sections of the boss. I think that at least a few of FFVI's bosses were just like CT...
I don't believe that he's saying it never turns out that bosses get easier in other RPGs, simply that it tends to not happen. There will always be exceptions to every rule, even in Chrono Trigger. For example, Lavos' first form gets "stronger" every time you beat one of its stages. However, in general Chrono Trigger bosses get easier as you continue to fight them (or stay the same) as opposed to getting harder, which is the norm in most other RPGs.
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Giga Gaia? Hmmm... I was lucky with this battle. You see, I had Ayla in my party when Lavos fell on the Reptites' fortress. Then, I was so amazed with Zeal that I forgot to send her to the End of Time (I never liked her as a PC). But, the good thing about this was that I had Falcon Hit when I fought Giga Gaia. :lol:
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The hardest boss for me was Son of Sun. I lost to it about 4 times before I figured out that you have to hit a certain flame to injure it badly enough. I just wish I didn't waste all my healing items trying to survive it's fiery onslaught.
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The hardest boss for me was Son of Sun. I lost to it about 4 times before I figured out that you have to hit a certain flame to injure it badly enough. I just wish I didn't waste all my healing items trying to survive it's fiery onslaught.
Welcome! Wow, another new person in this thread!
I'd suggest (in the future) finding the black chest in 600AD with the red vest and leaving it, then going to 1000AD and taking the newly-upgraded red mail. It makes whichever character is wearing it invulnerable to all except for one of his attacks. Or at least I think he has one attack that's not fire, but I believe that it's a weak one, so that one member can easily take on Son of Sun alone. That's what I found the most efficient method in dealing with him.
Another good way is to max out the magic defence of the three characters you're using before facing him (through items or levelling or whatever), and then he's really easy since his attacks do such a small amount of damage.
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Definitely Mother Brain. The first time you go into the battle you get all cocky and use some massive hit all attack and in the process take out all of the healing monitors... which is the first and last mistake you make as you then getting pounded by Mother Brain's super attack of no hope with no stop. It took me a few times to realize I had to leave the monitor's be and take out Mother Brain while they were steal healing her.
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You...have...to...keep...1...alife???
I mean wtf? I never did that, i just pwnd everything i had to finish her of(took me bout 4-5 megaelixiers)...maybe because im to lazy to try a tactic or something...
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You...have...to...keep...1...alife???
I mean wtf? I never did that, i just pwnd everything i had to finish her of(took me bout 4-5 megaelixiers)...maybe because im to lazy to try a tactic or something...
Same, but I found that it's easier that way than if you leave any of the panels. If you use a ton of super-powerful attacks, you can take her down before her attack gets powerful. That's what I did. Dark matter + shock + luminaire = dead mother brain super fast without the need for any HP or MP replenishing.
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It depends on if you have characters set up for a good Single target attack or only Multi targets...plus, it also might depend on when you decide to do the quest because if you do it first out of the list you might not have the proper Tech Points for the higher-level Techs...Although you can always do the conveyer belt trick...which I never did...I always wanted to play the game...
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The Mammon Machine doesn't have "bits," but I think it loses power during the course of the fight.
If I recall correctly, once you do enough damage to the Mammon Machine it says "the Mammon Machine stands still" or something to that effect, so I believe that's true. I could be wrong though.
I too love how they get easier.
You can also use the Masamune to lower it power. :P
Just like Magus
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MAGUS!!!!
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Dude do you go go storyscape?
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Yes I too noticed the name.
Back on topic: Other is still winning
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*wonders about the "Other" people are picking...*
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I also thought that Mother Brain and Son of sun were the hardest. When I fought Giga Gaia I had falcon hit so it kinda made it easier, but I still died 4-5 times before I beat him. But Mother Brain and Son of sun made me feel like I should have bought a strategy guide. Son of sun fooled the hell out of me. I score a hit on my first try, but i didn't know that it was a roulette style boss. So i'm over confident on my next turn and I caused 0 damage. I had frog and Marle with me so I was like, "Lets freeze the hell out of him". 10 tries later I was crying out of frustration. Definately the hardest if you didn't figure out the tactic to beat him. (I was 12 at the time, a little on the slow side, lol)
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I guess the toughest character when you first face him is Lavos first form, mainly because it's then you realize that you have to beat EVERY SINGLE BOSS ALL OVER AGAIN!
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I don't think you have to beat every boss at lavos 1st form, the last 1 is Giga Gaya, but there is for example no golem or the Masa&Mune fight(not fused form), but he is hard, especially if you go through the bucket with level 10 and very bad weapons and stuff.
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I guess the toughest character when you first face him is Lavos first form, mainly because it's then you realize that you have to beat EVERY SINGLE BOSS ALL OVER AGAIN!
Yes, but most of them are simply no challenge at all as you're much more powerful now then you were when you fought them. The guardian in Arris dome shouldn't be all that scary now, right?
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Lavos Core, doubtlessly
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Am I the only one who thought the first battle against Magus was one of the easiest in the game (even for my first time) >_>?
No, I thought he was quite easy myself and I did beat him on my first time playing. Just the amount of HP at the point most people are at in CT is the only thing that would be semi-intimidating.
Anyway, I chose MB, SOS option. However, I thought the Mother Brain was easy. A blast of Luminaire, followed by the most powerful attacks my other two characters had at that time (I don't remember who I had my first time around as that was years ago...) and I sent her packing with ease.
But Son of Sun drove me insane the first time around as I didn't know how to fight him at all....I don't want to remember how many times I reset the game because I was getting my ass kicked and couldn't figure out how to fight him. I think I figured it out by luck over anything and then in the future, it was a much easier battle.
Giga Gaia also gave me a shitload of trouble my first time around with his Double Handblaster attacks. I had to have gotten my ass kicked at least 3-4 times with my first time fighting him. I think the original way I beat him was with a lot of using Ice Sword 2 because it was the most powerful thing I had at the time. I think a while later, I figured out that Falcon Hit is a good way to take his arms out quick though being that most people don't have Luminaire yet at that point.
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Golem Twins was the hardest
Giga Gaia was easy for me. I used Crono, Robo, Frog to beat him. Just kept using Robo's Uzzi Punch to take out the hands, Frog to heal, and Crono to attack the main body.
The Son of Sun was also easy for me because I equpied Robo with a Red Vest. My whole party died except for Robo because the Red Vest absorbs most of Son of Sun's attacks. After a while I eventually won.
The Mother Brain was also really easy for me. I'm not sure why but i beat Mother Brain in only a few turns. Maybe my people were too strong?
But the Golem Twins were really tough for me to beat. Their attacks were just too much. I ended up using Robo and Crono's Max Cyclone to take one out and the last one was easy.
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But the Golem Twins were really tough for me to beat. Their attacks were just too much. I ended up using Robo and Crono's Max Cyclone to take one out and the last one was easy.
The best way I found to take these guys out was by having either Frog and/or Marle in your party. Use any other characters and/or methods of attack, but ALWAYS make sure Water 2 or Ice 2 is cast last in the character turns. That way, they'll copycat water and attack with it. And their water attacks by far were the least lethal for me.
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Embarassingly enough I had a huge amount of trouble with the Heckran on my first play through. In my defense I'd like to imagine that Robo was in my party and I was working with some pretty low level characters, but 11 years is a long time to remember excuses.
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I agree Magus was quite easy. But i have to agree with mystik, that god damn desert boss was the hardest one i faught. For some reason, Lavos seemed to be one of the easier ones =/
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Son of Sun if you didn't prepare beforehand and Lavos' third form if you didn't know the trick to beating him.
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Lavos that you fought in the Ocean Palace. This guy is impossible to beat except in game plus.
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No... :lee:
Tactic + Fionas Sidequest + most techs from Rubble at mount Woe = easy win.
Okey, maybe not on the first time you play it, but it's not THAT hard.
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Lavos in Ocean Palace.
Killed me in 2 hits.
:(
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Seeing as this is titled "Toughest enemy in the game" and for a very first encounter, I would say Lavos in the Ocean Palace the first time through. I mean come on, you can't even defeat it.... that is, if you count this as an enemy.
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Seeing as this is titled "Toughest enemy in the game" and for a very first encounter, I would say Lavos in the Ocean Palace the first time through. I mean come on, you can't even defeat it.... that is, if you count this as an enemy.
Actually, you can, but the result is pretty much the same as if you didn't take him out.
And for me, the most difficult enemy would have to be Son of Sun. When I first played Chrono Trigger in '95 with only the Nintendo strategy guide to pull me through, learning his pattern was almost an impossible feat. There were no GameFAQs or anything around back then, so it pretty much reduced the entire battle to a guessing game -- at least I had Lucca's TabanSuit to manage me through the first couple times until I could beat his arse consistently.