Chrono Compendium
Enhasa Halls - Chrono Series Analysis => Time, Space, and Dimensions => Topic started by: Solidstar on October 24, 2005, 01:59:32 am
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It's a little long, but here is my incomplete thory of time, as I see it (CT / RD / CC / real life).
In order to understand time, we have to extend our idea of it and realize that we can go more than in just one direction. We also have to realize that we can not only go forward and back in time (traveling to future and past), but we can also go up time and down time.
Allow me to explain:
- If you go back in time, something will be changed (whether or not it’s a molecule of air someone will breathe or something more major, say the queen being murdered and a kingdom crumbling). This will inevitably cause the point in time to shift, going up or down time so to speak.
- - Within those new times, you can go up and down, left and right, etc. Now, what determines the instance you experience are the choices and experiences that came previous to the very instant in which you are currently experiencing. Thus, instances (the infinity of them) are experienced infinitely and rather smoothly.
- - - For instance, (very basic) seeing a dead animal on the road could cause grief and ultimately lead to a career in something that deals with animal caretaking. However, consider not seeing the animal, and choices leading to a career in poaching. Or seeing the animal and the grief ultimately leads to curiosity and a life in poaching. Etc.
- - - (Again basic) Two extremes in which between are an infinity of possibilities. For each choice and/or action lays a new path in the timeline, and a new path in history. Thus, whether you think of it spherically (as the universe is developed around the idea of circles – think about it) or cubically (as the tesseract is nothing more than a 4th dimensional square), time operates as a 4th dimensional attribute, which had it’s own 3-d type realm, which is more or less a 6th or possibly 7th dimension.
Time therefore extends itself into its own 3-d texture, and something (possibly) governs over time, asserting its will and bending it (time) to its (governor of time) own liking.
Now these other times that are experienced are in fact other realities. A “dimensional split” if you will. Can you determine the difference between what’s right and what’s not? Absolutely not, because each are profoundly different from each other. For instance, in one time perhaps you die of a tragic accident. But at that precise moment in which you are about to die, perhaps something happens in which you live. Thus the timeline shifts and one has two timelines that exist simultaneously and independently, but are both derived from the one timeline.
Now causing a timeline to become obsolete (in my own opinion) is impossible. But also, the only thing that may render a timeline obsolete is if the universe operates according to efficiency. In other words, if one timeline exists that is more efficient, but identical to another timeline, then perhaps the least efficient of them are obliterated. However, that can not happen since even if it is obliterated, it still exists in the form of the more efficient one. Thus, from this logic, timeline deletion should not and can not occur.
That's it as it stands... be gentle :p
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So, you're saying...what now? All I got from that is that Timeline Deletion is impossible. That's what the DBT is for.
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What does going "left and right" in time mean? That's nonsense.
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Going left and right in time means to switch dimensions. Serge does this in CC throughout the game.
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Yeah. What I was trying to go for with this is that left and right signify different dimensions and that up and down represent past and future. That or vice versa. Same difference really, it's just how you decide to graph it.
That and I was trying to figure out a way to maintain each time so that the beginning and ending of Chrono Trigger make sense and so that the Chrono Cross dimensional merge could make sense as well. Didn't go as well as planned though.
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Then you aren't going left or right "in time". You're going left or right through different dimensions. Time travel is not the same thing as what is basically a traveling to a different universe.
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It's to travel "up and down" the time stream.
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It's to travel "up and down" the time stream.
So what would happen if you traveled diagonaly?
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It's to travel "up and down" the time stream.
So what would happen if you traveled diagonaly?
Both, silly. Simple geometry.
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How would that *work*, however? Travelling fowards and backwards in time at the same time? Doesn't that mean you essentially wouldn't move anywhere, as you can't walk backwards AND fowards at the same time?
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No no no, not up and down at the same time, up/down and left/right at the same time.
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Exactly.
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Like moving from the Present of Home World to the Past of Another World.
(Like some people believe Serge did to save Kid.)
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Like moving from the Present of Home World to the Past of Another World.
(Like some people believe Serge did to save Kid.)
Yeah, that's what I was thinking, that would be weird though.
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Like moving from the Present of Home World to the Past of Another World.
(Like some people believe Serge did to save Kid.)
The past of Another World is the past of Home World.
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Does the split happen before or after the fire?
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The fire being Lucca's house? After.
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Yeah.
Lucca's house was burnt in only one dimension in 1015AD (Or atleast I think it was only one dimension, since the other Kid is on the main land).
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Awesome. That's what I thought, I just had to make sure of that.
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Actually I don't know, we don't know how old Kid was when her house burnt down, and nothing else gives indication to answer that question. I take back my answer and simply say "we don't know"...unless someone has some proof that says otherwise.
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The fire happened in both timelines, we know that for a fact. So it's safe to assume it happened before the split.
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How do you know it happened in both, though?
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It happened in 1015AD. I have no idea why it'd take 5 years after Serge's death for FATE to find out that Lucca did something, unless Belthasar informed it so.
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It happened in 1015AD. I have no idea why it'd take 5 years after Serge's death for FATE to find out that Lucca did something, unless Belthasar informed it so.
The game doesn't state when it happened. It was said to have happened in 1,015 AD only in the Ultimania Guide (you know, the guide that you said was "stupid" in the Frozen Flame/Dreamstone topic).
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I never read it though :P I said it was stupid if it clashed with game evidence and simple logic and how CT and CC tied the FF together.
Well, the age thing might be right. Since we don't know when the older Kid went back in time. For all we know, she could have been 30 when she goes back to save Serge. If Kid was around 10/11 during the burning orphanage, it would still make sence.
We know that Wazuki didn't turn fully (we can speculate) rouge and into Lynx before 1010AD. When 1010AD occured, that was when Wazuki lost control and Lynx finally killed Serge. Lucca's house burns only after 1010AD then. In one timeline, Lynx goes after Lucca, but she hesitates to unlock the lock. So in the other dimension, Lynx goes after the Dead Sea's flame (I don't think FATE would attempt abducting Lucca again (not to mention that Lynx can't jump dimensions with her in Home World). And because Kid was roughly found by Lucca in 1004AD, then Kid would be exactally 11 during the burning orphanage and making her exactally 16 (her CC age) in 1020AD.
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It is extremely difficult to apply conventional theories of time to the Chrono Universe. Its time physics follow their own laws because they were written that way. Think of every video game as being like a book from Myst: each represents a wholly independent reality which obeys the laws of physics established by its authors.
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So your talking about a timeline system similiarly seen in the anime show Shinzo, where an infinte amount of timelines can exist simultaniously even though we as individuals can only expience only an even then the particular timeline we are in is in a constant state flux due the very movents of position of molecules and dimensional planes at any give moment of time (...don't ask).
But I don't think this applies with the linear/two dimension timeline of chrono trigger while your looking a poly-quantum temporal plane of existance, good theory though.
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That's exactly what I was saying.
I believe you're right. Thinking back upon this, I don't think it would flow completely with CT's timeline(s) and dimensions. Maybe moreso with Chrono Cross', but still not quite.