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Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: ZeaLitY on September 18, 2005, 01:35:49 am
I'm out of Midgar, and have just finished Cloud's lengthy flashback to the Sephiroth / JENOVA incident. As it stands, I like Cloud, as he is completely driven and in motion. However, I'm still waiting for a very profound moment from any of the characters; while they're all becoming very round and three dimensional, at this point in the game nothing's really made my jaw drop or anything. Similarly, I didn't fully like Magus until I learned of his history in Zeal, so this isn't a bad thing.

I'm over my initial horror at the character models, simply because they are apparently 3D versions of sprites common to 16-bit games. Looking at them in that light helps. I was utterly dismayed at the death of the AVALANCHE members; I hated seeing them die.

Summarily, the big draw of the game right now is learning more about the Ancients, Shinra, and JENOVA. It's really got me hooked, and I can't wait to get deeper into the plot. The FMVs are also pretty cool.

And I'm really hoping Vincent proves to be a profound character. That guy looks cool from Advent Children.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Lord J Esq on September 18, 2005, 03:06:58 am
And you're playing this game for the first time while signed in to AIM without so much as an Away Message to keep the distractions at bay? Shame on you!
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Kazuki on September 18, 2005, 03:08:48 am
Vincent has some interesting connections to some of the characters...though being an optional character, he unfortunatley (in my opinion) isn't developed as much as some of the other characters. He is interesting, though (Furthermore, how he can flip a hunting rifle to an upright position with one hand is an even more questionable fact >_>.)

The character moments will come... a few of them fairly soon. It's too bad you're playing this game from a perspective where you've probably heard about most of the sensitive parts over the years (how can you play videogames and not?) But still, even if you know what's coming, it's still fresh.

I'm glad you were able to get past the poor 3d models as well...when I played through the game, I stumbled upon somebody's description of them as "Final Fantasy lego people." It did NOT help at all, to be thinking of the characters as legos half the time >_>.

Anyways, I hope you continue to enjoy it  :D !
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: ZeaLitY on September 18, 2005, 03:27:37 am
Thanks. This Condor minigame is great, considering I'm a fan of the Total War series of games.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: CronoVolta on September 18, 2005, 03:38:00 am
Quote from: Kazuki

I'm glad you were able to get past the poor 3d models as well...when I played through the game, I stumbled upon somebody's description of them as "Final Fantasy lego people." It did NOT help at all, to be thinking of the characters as legos half the time >_>.


Yea the Popeye arms that Cloud sports don't really help that situation.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Sentenal on September 18, 2005, 11:59:49 am
Quote from: ZeaLitY
Thanks. This Condor minigame is great, considering I'm a fan of the Total War series of games.


My advise there:  Don't worry about that part; for now.  That eats up way to much money early on.  Later in the game, you will get to go back there :)
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Anonymous on September 18, 2005, 12:04:07 pm
Hopefully that PS3 FFVII intro trailer won't end up as just a trailer :~~

Geez, it'd surely be great playing FFVII with non-lego 3d models
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Eggith Cyrene on September 18, 2005, 02:34:55 pm
Quote from: ZeaLitY
Thanks. This Condor minigame is great, considering I'm a fan of the Total War series of games.


You should go back there after every event. FF7's minigames kick a whole lotta ass so stay with it. Later in the game you'll have a "final battle" there. You should keep a save there and just go back and play it whenever you want
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: warriorsam on September 18, 2005, 04:22:22 pm
You'll definitely get to know and love these characters by the end of the game. Even some of the less important ones get their time to shine.

I see the game as sort of a spiritual sequel to Chrono Trigger. I'm afraid to expand on that idea 'cause I'd probably be dropping a ton of spoilers, but I think you'll see the similarities (or the "comparabilities") as you play.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: ZeaLitY on September 18, 2005, 04:40:06 pm
Hm, I wonder why a Carbon Bagle is better than a Platinum one but costs less...

This Chocobo thing seems kind of silly, but it looks like I'll end up doing it regardless. A male Gold Chocobo is the prize, and it goes really fast or something, right? I'll probably also drop 300k to buy this house in Costa del Sol, just because that sounds pretty cool.

I just arrived at the Coast, by the way. The JENOVA theme was every bit as cool as Lavos vs. JENOVA made it out to be.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Sentenal on September 18, 2005, 05:14:34 pm
Chocobo racing really isn't as enjoyable as it can be till near the end.  You actually breed them, and raise chocobos, trying to raise a Gold One, who can fly, and basically do anything.  You do NEED to raise Chocobos in order to get some of the secret materia, such as Knights of the Round, and Mimic, I think.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Lord J Esq on September 18, 2005, 05:45:03 pm
Quote from: Sentenal
Chocobo racing really isn't as enjoyable as it can be till near the end.  You actually breed them, and raise chocobos, trying to raise a Gold One, who can fly, and basically do anything.  You do NEED to raise Chocobos in order to get some of the secret materia, such as Knights of the Round, and Mimic, I think.

Ah, Knights of the Round. Help me out here; my memory is foggy. You combined KotR with what in order to get that sweet...how many is it...48 attacks in one turn? Oh, I remember the first time I ever tried that. Fuggin' hilarious.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Masamune on September 18, 2005, 06:53:41 pm
You can use W-Summon to get it 24 times... Not sure about the other half. But I loved the invincible materia combo: Counter with Mimic, KOTR with HP absorb, and W-Summon. Just get into a battle, W-Summon KOTR once, and then come back 10 minutes later to see the victory screen. Whenever the enemy attacks, you auto-summon KOTR and then the HP Absorb means that every time KOTR hits, you heal as much damage as you deal! (Which is 9999 at the end of the game).
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Sentenal on September 18, 2005, 07:06:10 pm
Yes, Mimic and W-Summon + KotR equals win.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: nightmare975 on September 18, 2005, 07:25:00 pm
Use Quardra Magic with W-Summon and you use it 8 times! Combine that with what everybody said before and you are a GOD!
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Hadriel on September 19, 2005, 12:50:34 am
Quadra Magic actually doesn't work with KOTR, at least according to what I've heard.  But yeah, continually miming KOTR is basically the only way to beat Ruby and Emerald Weapon, unless you have max stats and limit breaks for every character; in that case, Omnislash does about 150,000 damage, while the Highwind bombs the hell out of an enemy for about 180,000.

Oh yeah, and Sephiroth's health is based on a formula; 80,000 times your number of level 99 characters.  If you get all your characters to level 99, he has even more HP than Ruby and Emerald Weapon.

I remember using Quadra Magic with Bahamut ZERO...I literally had enough time to take a piss and make myself a sandwich before it finished.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: ZeaLitY on September 19, 2005, 01:14:54 am
Just got to the Desert Prison. This is pretty deep...

I'm starting to get attached to the characters, and though the ultimate internet spoiler has been with me for a long time, I still sense that I'm going to care a great deal when it happens.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Legend of the Past on September 19, 2005, 01:48:35 am
Quote from: ZeaLitY
I'm starting to get attached to the characters, and though the ultimate internet spoiler has been with me for a long time, I still sense that I'm going to care a great deal when it happens.


You will. You will care for everyone. Even the Turks, at one point.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: ZeaLitY on September 19, 2005, 02:08:46 am
I hate to say it, but I do indeed already like the Turks. I don't know how it's possible; these guys are borderline really evil, kidnapping and murdering people and stuff, but they're freaking cool. Sunglasses, those suits...they have a certain style.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Eriol on September 19, 2005, 02:09:03 pm
A few notes:

IIRC, HP absorb doesn't absorb the amount of dmg done, but 1/10 of the amount of damage done, and MP absorb is 1/100 of the dmg done.

Read about "Materia Chains" sometime (maybe there's a different name for it now).  Something some people never realize is that if you link up the same "spell" (doesn't even need to be the exact same materia) multiple times, it has ALL the effects.  For example if you build up 4 "Lightning" materia, and have them all linked to something, if you cast a lightning spell that's in ALL of them, ALL of the linked effects occur.  An example of such is if you had seperate lightnings attached to: HP absorb, MP absorb, Quadra Magic, and Magic Counter (or whatever it's called).  Then every time you cast a lightning spell, it would happen 4 times, absorb HP AND MP, and every time you got attacked it would counterattack with that effect, again doing ALL the linked effects.  This also works with the "Master Materia", so you need less of a type of materia.  I often paired my masters up with HP absorb or Quadra Magic, so basically ALL of my magic was quadra, then anything I wanted to enhance "even more" I linked up seperately.  The master made the normal materia orb "useless", but it was useful for the linked-in effect.

And Zeality, make sure you read the way to get Bahamut Zero.  I missed it completely on my first time through (I failed the Rocket Town event), so make sure you don't miss it, though if you have a guide I'm sure that'll be no problem.

Also IIRC, the materia you can ONLY get if you have chocobos of the right color are: Mime (command), Quadra Magic (linked), HP<->MP (Purple, and useless), and Knights of the Round (summon, and trivializes all encounters EXCEPT the Weapons).
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: ZeaLitY on September 19, 2005, 11:23:50 pm
I'm going to buy the house. If I fight 100 battles at this alarm area in Junon, I should have over 300,000 gil. I really want that nice estate...
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Sentenal on September 20, 2005, 12:41:08 am
To tell the truth, of ALL the stuff you can do in FF7, I never bought that estate.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: ZeaLitY on September 20, 2005, 12:46:15 am
Man, how do I use these new limit breaks? I know Cloud has learned two new ones since Cross Slash, and Vincent just learned Death Gigas. Regardless, I don't see them.

Vincent + Beta = tons of gil right now. I'm up to 133,000.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: nightmare975 on September 20, 2005, 12:58:47 am
You go into Limit Menu on the Main Menu. And select Limit Level, then select the the new level (in your case, Lv. 2)
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Sentenal on September 20, 2005, 01:05:54 am
BTW, even though Red XIII's limit break "Lunatic High" doesn't attack, its one of the best ones in the game.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: ZeaLitY on September 20, 2005, 01:17:57 am
201k!
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: ZeaLitY on September 20, 2005, 02:13:06 am
I am now the proud owner of my own Villa Cloud in the Costa del Sol. Cloud finally has a home now, considering Nibelheim is...weird, and Midgar blows.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Silvercry on September 20, 2005, 02:27:24 am
Quote from: ZeaLitY
Cloud finally has a home now, considering Nibelheim is...weird, and Midgar blows.


You don't know the half of it.

By the by, I was wondering as to what your thoughts are thus far on the Aeris character.  I've always liked her personally (though I'm not an 'Aeris Forever' fanboy), and unless you've spent the last 8 years living in a cave on Mars with your eyes shut tight and your fingers in your ears, you know what happens to her at the end of disk one.  Yet, there has always been as much (if not more) Aeris-hate as there is Aeris-worship.  I'm curious: On which side of the line do you fall, and did knowing about her death ahead of time influence your opinion of her any.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: ZeaLitY on September 20, 2005, 03:01:00 am
I like her, because she seems to subscribe to this...well, cognitive theory I have, I guess. It's commonly held that people go from innocence as a child to experience, and becoming jaded and perhaps cynical as a result. Aeris, however, regardless of her tragic past and damnable environment and tribulations, seems to have held on to that innocence; she's like a creature not of this world, able to appreciate what others take for granted, and live life's delights to the fullest without unnecessary worry or a negative frame of reference. I would say this indicates an incredibly strong person, very worthy to court Cloud, who is emerging to me as a really cool guy.

Cloud is driven, but not selfishly foregone. He speaks through actions, and when he does talk, he says little and says it well. There's a certain grit he has; guts, perhaps, that seemingly have enabled him, like Aeris, to thrive and continue in this world. He's minded his own business, sought his own empowerment and achievement, and has kept a smooth demeanor throughout most of it. When he is in a heightened emotional state, it's that much more meaningful because he's so level-headed. He can be a bit inhumanly cool and aloof while still feeling strongly within. There's a quote by Korcha in Chrono Cross given to the pirates who question how Serge and crew were able to overpower the Ghost Ship; Korcha states, "Don'tCHA know that we're a cut above the rest?" Cloud comes to mind with this quote, with several other RPG player characters. RPGs are such a delight to me because real thought and devotion goes into their production, and FF7 doesn't disappoint if you examine it on this level. Because of Cloud's driven self-discipline and converse willingless to act when needed, he's a cut above the rest and able to believably undertake such a huge adventure.

But the Turks...I can't wait for some more development with them. Those guys are cool, even though they...apparently caused tons of deaths in Sector 7.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Legend of the Past on September 20, 2005, 08:41:52 am
Aeris isn't innocent, she's stupid. The world's in jeprody and all she cares about is the little love triangle. Tifa, while not much better with more weight on the chest rather the personality, at least has her levels of sweetness and caring towards everyone else. She just cares about Cloud and not any other party member. She's stupid and egoistic, and just tries to be considerate to the others while she dosen't really care.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Kazuki on September 20, 2005, 04:52:55 pm
Yeah...I was rather unimpressed with Aeris as well. I found myself indifferent at, *the scene*.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Chrono'99 on September 20, 2005, 05:31:52 pm
Quote from: Kazuki
Yeah...I was rather unimpressed with Aeris as well. I found myself indifferent at, *the scene*.

I wasn't really impressed either. They did the same thing in FF3, FF4, FF5, FF6, and Chrono Trigger, so by the time I got to play FF7...
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Sentenal on September 20, 2005, 07:13:03 pm
For me, there were only a few "death" scenes that suprised me.  And that was in my first RPG, FF4.  They weren't chicken to "kill-off" a character in that game, so by the time I got to FF7, the Aeris scene didn't effect me like it probably did the Playstation Generation.

Oh, btw, Zeality, if you want even more development for the Turks, be sure to do the Yuffie-Materia side quest.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Eriol on September 20, 2005, 07:52:32 pm
Quote from: Sentenal
For me, there were only a few "death" scenes that suprised me.  And that was in my first RPG, FF4.  They weren't chicken to "kill-off" a character in that game

The problem (for me) was that almost nobody STAYED DEAD!!  Palom and Porom were revived by the Master (such a noble and selfless death scene, and they reverse it??), Yang didn't "really" die (twice), Rydia comes back stronger and more badass than ever, Cid refits TWO airships after he dies too (and considering he would have died either from the bomb OR the cave-in alone, it's just f'n stupid), and Edward survives too.  Tellah is the only character that REALLY dies in that story (hell even the bad guys get 2nd chances, with the 4 elemental bosses coming back inside the Giant, and Golbez regenerating from a Hand), which made it more "happy-go-lucky" IMO, and less real.  I still love the game, and it's only a minor blemish, but with the exceptions of Cid and Rydia, you didn't NEED any of the other characters to come back for a plot reason.

So in FFVII, part of me wanted to play with Aeris again, and part of me wanted her to STAY DEAD so that the loss was real.  I was glad that she did stay dead for a real sense of loss in the story.  Same with General Leo in FFVI, though that was less of a shock.  Galuf dying in FFV was also essential, and right.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Sentenal on September 20, 2005, 08:13:57 pm
Its not like its uncommon for people who are believed to have died to turn up alive.  Its just the intial shock that got me.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: nightmare975 on September 20, 2005, 10:38:59 pm
Quote from: Kazuki
Yeah...I was rather unimpressed with Aeris as well. I found myself indifferent at, *the scene*.


OMG! You didn't just say that! I wouldn't stop crying! I loved her! LOVED HER! Oh god the tears are coming back. :cry:

*goes off to cry*
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: ZeaLitY on September 20, 2005, 10:46:41 pm
I found nothing annoying or bad about Aeris. She meekly said her part and lived her life, and then sadly died without uttering a word.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: cupn00dles on September 20, 2005, 10:54:35 pm
C'mon... Even though Aerith's way of being sometimes made her appear a silly selfish "love love" girl, her actions by the end of CD 1 definetlely show that she's not like that... She appears to be truly selfless, and I really think that, in the end, her possible love for Cloud is more "motherly like", and this impression only got strenghtened in Advent Children... I think that she always loved Zack, and even if she did like Cloud in a "lover way" she still had Zack in her heart... Damn what a buncha lame talk >.>

I wasn't shocked by seeing her dying for I already knew it before playing the game, and thoguh it's a necessary death for plot unfolding it still made me think "why did she have to die? :/" ha ha ha ha

I like her more than Tifa who used those hooker dresses as a child hahaha

But still Tifa rulez XD Mostly in Advent Children XD
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Sentenal on September 20, 2005, 11:23:56 pm
Wait, when did Aeris know Zack?  I must have missed that, or havn't seen Advent Children...
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: nightmare975 on September 20, 2005, 11:31:56 pm
Quote from: Sentenal
Wait, when did Aeris know Zack?  I must have missed that, or havn't seen Advent Children...


They say it a couple of times in the game. In Gongola, if she's in your party, when you meet Zack's parents, she states that Zack was her boyfriend.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Sentenal on September 20, 2005, 11:33:05 pm
Hm... I hardly ever used her, because shes weak, so maybe thats why I missed it...
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: nightmare975 on September 20, 2005, 11:35:44 pm
Quote from: Sentenal
Hm... I hardly ever used her, because shes weak, so maybe thats why I missed it...


Yeah, she is weak, I only used her because of her healing limit breaks, and my undying love for her. (yes I'm obssesed)

BTW, have you ever used her Lv.4 limit break? It make you invincible!
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Sentenal on September 20, 2005, 11:40:46 pm
How can you even get that high with her?
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: ZeaLitY on September 20, 2005, 11:45:25 pm
I tried to teach her Great Gospel, but it kept saying "Not quite ready yet."
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Hadriel on September 20, 2005, 11:45:51 pm
Quote from: nightmare975
Quote from: Kazuki
Yeah...I was rather unimpressed with Aeris as well. I found myself indifferent at, *the scene*.


OMG! You didn't just say that! I wouldn't stop crying! I loved her! LOVED HER! Oh god the tears are coming back. :cry:

*goes off to cry*


aerisdieslol
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: nightmare975 on September 20, 2005, 11:47:57 pm
Quote from: Sentenal
How can you even get that high with her?


Lots and lots of pot :lol:

No, you just have to really power her up in the time that you have her. It's possible, if I had a file with her with it, I would show you, but alas, all my file are at the end of the game :|
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: V_Translanka on September 21, 2005, 04:33:32 am
Hoo-boy...This makes me want to replay VII now...Perhaps things would be different and I wouldn't have such a jaded perception of the game...but alas, I just know it would bore me, the characters would annoy me and I would wonder again why I'm replaying it instead of Tactics or VI...

I found Aeris as annoying as I found Clod. No one ever seemed to see anything coming no matter how obvious it was or how much I yelled at the screen. It just got to be rediculous (and that's why Clod is Clod in my books). Aeris pretty much screemed, "Kill me! Kill me! I wonder if I'm gonna die?!?" before it happened...so when it did I was only disappointed that ol' Sephy-head didn't do it sooner...and I thought it was kinda lame how it happened...Galuf's death scene...so much cooler. But it shore did look neat all FMV'D! Yeay for FMVs! Or whatever...I guess...
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Sentenal on September 21, 2005, 03:29:47 pm
Galuf?  Who the hell cares about that old man?  I personally didn't care for ANY of the characters in FFV.  Now when Tellah died, that was a good death scene.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: ZeaLitY on September 21, 2005, 05:45:33 pm
This is very odd, but for some reason, I really like Cid. The guy's a cursing, smoking mess who failed to achieve the highpoint, but something about him hints at this utterly unflinching resilience. He's yet to undergo more development at this point (I just got the Highwind), but I hope he gets more.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Kazuki on September 21, 2005, 06:10:32 pm
Cid's a cool character in my opinion. The only thing that I don't like his his name (only lame characters, in my opinion, should carry the Cid name over in each Final Fantasy.)
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Sentenal on September 21, 2005, 06:32:22 pm
Lame characters?  When ever Cid is a playable character in a FF game, I like him.  I liked Cid in FF4.  I liked him in FF7 (Cloud, Cid, and Red XIII was my main party).  I liked him in FFT.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: DeweyisOverrated on September 21, 2005, 06:45:41 pm
You know I never liked Aeris, ever.  Once I got to pick my party of three, she was never in it, once.  So, when she got killed off, I didn't give a crap.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Kazuki on September 21, 2005, 06:49:49 pm
Quote from: DeweyisOverrated
You know I never liked Aeris, ever.  Once I got to pick my party of three, she was never in it, once.  So, when she got killed off, I didn't give a crap.


Same: My main party for most of the game was Cloud, Vincent and...Yuffie. Honestly, I don't know quite why for the latter.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: nightmare975 on September 21, 2005, 10:03:06 pm
After Aeris died, my party permently consisted of Cloud, Barret, and Tifa. Except for when Cloud was gone, and etc, etc.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Kazuki on September 21, 2005, 10:55:09 pm
Quote from: nightmare975
After Aeris died, my party permently consisted of Cloud, Barret, and Tifa. Except for when Cloud was gone, and etc, etc.


You have what I have in my mind the stereotypical post-Aeris party of FF7 (The equivalent of Crono,Marle, and Lucca for CT).
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: ZeaLitY on September 21, 2005, 11:05:20 pm
I'm using Vincent and Cid.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: nightmare975 on September 21, 2005, 11:05:29 pm
Quote from: Kazuki
Quote from: nightmare975
After Aeris died, my party permently consisted of Cloud, Barret, and Tifa. Except for when Cloud was gone, and etc, etc.


You have what I have in my mind the stereotypical post-Aeris party of FF7 (The equivalent of Crono,Marle, and Lucca for CT).


I only had them for the following reasons:
Cloud, because he has to be in the party, plus Omni-Slash is so awsome
Barret, because his long range attacks and Catastrope is just as good as Omni-Slash
Tifa, because of her linked limit breaks.
When ZeaLtY beats the game, I'll tell how fast I wiped out the 2nd to final boss
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Kazuki on September 21, 2005, 11:10:51 pm
Quote from: ZeaLitY
I'm using Vincent and Cid.


Hmm...interesting group. I've always liked Vincent due to the unpredictability of his limit breaks.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: nightmare975 on September 21, 2005, 11:11:58 pm
Quote from: Kazuki
Quote from: ZeaLitY
I'm using Vincent and Cid.


Hmm...interesting group. I've always liked Vincent due to the unpredictability of his limit breaks.


Never liked it when he was healing the enemies instead of hurting them. Materia Keeper anyone :x
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Kazuki on September 21, 2005, 11:16:00 pm
He never heals in his final limit break form, and his style of fighting> Barret's gun arm, in my opinion (He can flip a hunting rifle with one hand, for crying out loud.)
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: nightmare975 on September 22, 2005, 12:08:48 am
Quote from: Kazuki
He never heals in his final limit break form, and his style of fighting> Barret's gun arm, in my opinion (He can flip a hunting rifle with one hand, for crying out loud.)


Well, I've never used him in his final form, never got that far with him. :(
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: ZeaLitY on September 22, 2005, 12:21:02 am
That sound that the comatose Cloud is making when he tries to talk is...terrible...

That, and the Forgotten Capital is SUBLIME. The music and scenery are overpowering. Imagine Wordsworth talking about how he can't shut out his inspiration and wonderment, similar to how he can't shut out being able to see since he has eyes, and you'll have my reaction. That place is so eerie and perfect...The music so haunting...
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Sentenal on September 22, 2005, 12:34:56 am
I was all over Vincent when I first got him.  Then I got to some boss (I remmber it being spider like, it was near that Reactor where Cloud faced Sephiroth), and I used his Limit Break...  I though his limit break was so awesome...  And he kept healing it!  I never used Vincent agian.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: nightmare975 on September 22, 2005, 12:48:27 am
It's name is Materia Keeper. I call it the god damn party killer from hell!
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: ZeaLitY on September 22, 2005, 01:50:40 am
I got the Cloud flashback at Shinra mansion. Is there one for Vincent there later on? Anyway, I now understand Cloud's history. I'm still puzzled about Nibelheim not burning down, but don't tell me yet.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Hadriel on September 22, 2005, 03:41:04 am
Quote from: ZeaLitY
Anyway, I now understand Cloud's history.


Nuh-uh.

Quote from: ZeaLitY
I'm still puzzled about Nibelheim not burning down, but don't tell me yet.


This is why.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Sentenal on September 22, 2005, 06:18:13 pm
Quote from: ZeaLitY
I got the Cloud flashback at Shinra mansion. Is there one for Vincent there later on? Anyway, I now understand Cloud's history. I'm still puzzled about Nibelheim not burning down, but don't tell me yet.


Wait, how far have you gotten?  Life Stream yet?  If no, then you don't understand his history yet :)
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Eriol on September 22, 2005, 07:56:35 pm
By the way he's talking, he's GOING to rocket town, and will soon be at the temple of the ancients.

Can do yuffie's side quest soon too then methinks.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: ZeaLitY on September 22, 2005, 09:26:47 pm
I just got the submarine. Yes, the Nibelheim thing is still a mystery. Nonetheless, I found Lucrecia and her cave; so apparently Vincent was in love with her, but Gast and Hojo used her to birth Sephiroth with JENOVA cells. Sucks...I haven't brought Vincent to the mansion since then, but I hope he has a flashback there when I surface. I'm still searching right now, and I found a sunken airplane.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: nightmare975 on September 23, 2005, 11:29:54 pm
Did you lose the mini game? Because if you did, then you can get a second submarine!

Whoop-de-freaking-doo!
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Kazuki on September 23, 2005, 11:31:43 pm
The submarine mini game? I have no clue whether I won or not (Playing the PC version is hard without a control pad at parts), but I ended up with the submarine anyways, so it's all good.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: nightmare975 on September 23, 2005, 11:34:40 pm
You know if you lose if the dog on the way to the underwater reactor is there (win) or not (lose). If not, the you get the red submarine!

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Whoop-de-freaking-doo!


Not worth it if you want Bahamut ZERO however...
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Kazuki on September 23, 2005, 11:37:12 pm
Eh, I got the Bahamut ZERO materia too. In short, it's been about 5 years since I've played the game, and I barely remember anything >_>.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: nightmare975 on September 23, 2005, 11:41:28 pm
Beat it for the second time at the begining of summer! First time, ONE TRY! Second time TWO TRYS! Hopefully, that is how many trys it will ever be...
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: ZeaLitY on September 24, 2005, 12:21:04 am
Okay, I read the note on Tifa's desk about Nibelheim.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: nightmare975 on September 24, 2005, 12:19:04 pm
Quote from: ZeaLitY
Okay, I read the note on Tifa's desk about Nibelheim.


Kinda messed up if you think about it. :?
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: ZeaLitY on September 24, 2005, 10:25:37 pm
This Chocobo crap is eroding my patience. I'm following the guide, but it's still too random. I hardly ever get a Mountain one, and when I do, it's not a male. I need a male green chocobo to proceed. I'm like on attempt 25 to make, with 2 achieved successfully (both females).
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: nightmare975 on September 25, 2005, 12:03:32 am
The odds on the Gold one is a million to one  :x
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Sentenal on September 25, 2005, 02:07:57 pm
If you race them more, I think they gain more exp, and are more likely to birth a Gold one.  I liked the Chocobo racing.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: nightmare975 on September 25, 2005, 02:10:23 pm
I steroid my chocobos up and then decimate the oppisition!
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: ZeaLitY on September 25, 2005, 02:15:12 pm
Yeah, I got a gold one on my first try mating an S-rank Black and a Wonderful. Those materia caves were interesting. Knights of the Rounds is OVERKILL!!
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Kazuki on September 25, 2005, 02:17:03 pm
Absolutely. If you want true enjoyement of the final two bosses or so, I recommend leaving Knights of the Round at home.
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: nightmare975 on September 25, 2005, 02:40:37 pm
If you want true enjoyment, then don't use any final limit breaks!
Title: Final Fantasy VII thus far
Post by: Sentenal on September 25, 2005, 04:54:03 pm
Whats more enjoyable than beating the living hell out of supposivly your strongest enemies?

And even though Knights of the Round is overkill, you still need to get much much stronger if you want to even think about beating Ruby or Emerald Weapon.