Were are sorry for the inconvinonce but we will not airing our regular shows this morning due to the tragic events in New York.
I was 11, in sixth grade. My friend told me over the phone, and I coulden't believe it and thought he was kidding me. Then, later in the evening, I heard it was true. It wasn't really something that bothered me, just like everything else about the US, but hey, terrorism stinks worldwide, so meh.
Hey, it doesn't matter, but shock that people can go off and murder thousands of people just for their religious cause is sickening.
Interestingly, though religion is used as a driving force, the basis of it is still territorial. Why don't they attack the Hindus?
This was significant. America felt secure in it's strength, it felt like terrorism, wars, and things of that nature are only things that happen over there, not here. We are safe in America!
9/11 changed that. It was the worst single attack on the US ever. Worse than Peral Harbor, which brought us into WW2. It is significant because it was an eye-opener. It showed that the US is no invulnerable. It showed that America must fight in order to protect itself, rather than protect itself by simply being great. It bloodied our nose, and showed that we must protect ourselves, or be lost.
Unfortunatly, the will you speak of is lost on a certain part of the nation, who seek to rather make amends than to fight. I won't go any further, for risk of a political debate.
Us ignoring them will not stop them from attacking us.
I don't want to argue here. I really don't. I had to force myself to stop reading half-way through. I'll only say that by not attacking these people who come agianst us is wrong. It shows weakness. It shows that you can do whatever you want to us, we will ignore you. These terrorist arn't out for attension. Us ignoring them will not stop them from attacking us.
Our enemy right now are the radical Islamics who want to destroy us.
And we have taken the fight to them.
And I think we have been successful in many respects, though not all.
If a country harbors one of these radicals, and will not turn them over, we will forcefully do it.
Our leadership has an obligation to do whatever they feel nessisary in order to protect this country.
Today is a sad day for people who lost family and friends in 9/11.We should all wish the best for the familys who lost loved ones on this sad day. :(
I was just going to sleep... I lost no family, no friends, but perhaps I lost my country.
It was like something out of Nazi Germany, except the U.S. wasn’t evil yet.
I know you didn't say anything bad about Bush but he's delt with alot of tradgities.First 9/11 now Hurricane Katrinia,for all of that it makes him a good president.
The thing is, he didn't deal with Katrina, and that makes him a bad president.
Quote from: Radical_DreamerThe thing is, he didn't deal with Katrina, and that makes him a bad president.
Yes he did, he has sent out rescue planes, food, water, everything! It is the survivors who are bad. Shooting at everything they can see. If you ask me, they shouldn't get help with the way they act.
Quote from: nightmare975Quote from: Radical_DreamerThe thing is, he didn't deal with Katrina, and that makes him a bad president.
Yes he did, he has sent out rescue planes, food, water, everything! It is the survivors who are bad. Shooting at everything they can see. If you ask me, they shouldn't get help with the way they act.
Now now, lets not use that broad a brush...
Quote from: SentenalQuote from: nightmare975Quote from: Radical_DreamerThe thing is, he didn't deal with Katrina, and that makes him a bad president.
Yes he did, he has sent out rescue planes, food, water, everything! It is the survivors who are bad. Shooting at everything they can see. If you ask me, they shouldn't get help with the way they act.
Now now, lets not use that broad a brush...
I don't think nightmare975 was being serious. No one would prop up Bush at the expense of the disaster survivors.
Well, Bush didn't cause the hurricane itself. That much is obvious. But he caused the second disaster, and is responsible for most of the deaths that occured in New Orleans in particular, and for some of the deaths in the rest of the region.
What, the leevies breaking? I didn't realize he stapped C4 on them and blew them up... Or are you talking about the lawless-ness? Ain't his fault there either.
Save for the creation of the Department of Homeland security, which tied up FEMA's hands with added red tape, I mean. That much obvious. Of course, had both organizations shown a little foresight (they did have a week or warning after all) even that wouldn’t have delayed aid as much as it did. And the super ‘we can take a cat-5 hurricane!!!!!11111oneone’ levies breaking AFTER the hurricane was gone didn’t help either.
Bush is guilty of plenty. He doesn’t need manufactured wrong-doing as well.
It was a cat. 1 storm until a few days before it hit. Blame rests on the local/state government.
Blame rests on the local/state government.
The Bush administration systematically cut funding for levee and floodwall upgrades in New Orleans due to the incredible expense of the Iraq war and the soaring deficits his administration had built up. Bush also diverted Army Corps of Engineers resources away from the effort and into Iraq.
Until the day before Katrina's arrival, New Orleans's 350 miles (560 kilometers) of levees were undergoing a feasibility study to examine the possibility of upgrading them to withstand a Category Four or Five storm.
Corps officials say the study, which began in 2000, will take several years to complete.
Upgrading the system would take as long as 20 to 25 years, according to Al Naomi, the Corps' senior project manager for the New Orleans District.
Basically, here it is. Did Bush cut the funding? Yes. Did it make a difference? No. It would take a few years for the study, which would bring it to about 2002-2004 for the study completion, then add the 20-25 years to actually do something.
So in short: No, the funding cut didn't affect it.
Let's be honest. If everything about this situation were the same, except that it was a Democrat in the White House and Republicans on the state and local level, you'd be blaming the man in Washington. That's the difference between us. I'd be blaming the guilty party; you're looking to blame liberals.
Let's be honest. If everything about this situation were the same, except that it was a Democrat in the White House and Republicans on the state and local level, you'd be blaming the man in Washington. That's the difference between us. I'd be blaming the guilty party; you're looking to blame liberals.
Quote from: Lord J esqLet's be honest. If everything about this situation were the same, except that it was a Democrat in the White House and Republicans on the state and local level, you'd be blaming the man in Washington. That's the difference between us. I'd be blaming the guilty party; you're looking to blame liberals.
That's an assumption; not at all an unfounded one, but still an assumption.
QuoteLet's be honest. If everything about this situation were the same, except that it was a Democrat in the White House and Republicans on the state and local level, you'd be blaming the man in Washington. That's the difference between us. I'd be blaming the guilty party; you're looking to blame liberals.
Eh, no. In this situtation, I'm blaming State/Local government. I'd probably still blame them if Kerry was in office. I'm not sure why you think your immune to being completely non-partisan, but I'm not.
You know, I'm just glad that everybody didn't lose anybody in the attack.
Quote from: nightmare975You know, I'm just glad that everybody didn't lose anybody in the attack.
This contradicts what you say in the thread, "Great President Bush", but I agree. We who were lucky should be grateful that we are this fortunate.
I'd just like to say to Aura, comments like yours make me glad that we dropped two nukes on you guys.
I'd just like to say to Aura, comments like yours make me glad that we dropped two nukes on you guys.
Quote from: SilentMartyrI'd just like to say to Aura, comments like yours make me glad that we dropped two nukes on you guys.
The rest of your post is well-taken, but this part is out of line. Indeed, you are doing the very thing for which you criticize Aura.
Today is aniversary of 9/11 of which the day that the WTC falls & hundreds of people died... We must keep our guard up so that the 9/11 tragedy will never happen again. I pray for those who died in 9/11 tragedy & may their soul rest in peace...
SOmething has got me wondering about the 9/11 thing anyway, A plane crashed into the Building right? Well if you look at the Video, the way the building went down looked way too controlled, It almost as if a plane never hit it, but one DID, so I think there was another part to the Destruction as well as the plane.
The thing about the beams overheating could of been prevented if they had laced the beams with asbestos. I heard that from my science teacher once.
The thing about the beams overheating could of been prevented if they had laced the beams with asbestos. I heard that from my science teacher once.
One point my sister pointed (duh) out was that America likes making wars on verbs and nouns, like War on Drugs, War on Terror, and War on Spontaneous Combustion.
One point my sister pointed (duh) out was that America likes making wars on verbs and nouns, like War on Drugs, War on Terror, and War on Spontaneous Combustion.
And here, I'm pointing out (duy) that your sister is retarded. What else are they going to war against? Adverbs? Conjunctions? Verbs and nouns are the basis of the English language. Hit your sister upside the head once for me, would you?
Done and done.One point my sister pointed (duh) out was that America likes making wars on verbs and nouns, like War on Drugs, War on Terror, and War on Spontaneous Combustion.
And here, I'm pointing out (duy) that your sister is retarded. What else are they going to war against? Adverbs? Conjunctions? Verbs and nouns are the basis of the English language. Hit your sister upside the head once for me, would you?
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We are in bad 1985.
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A worse version of Biff is running things.
This may have been written two years ago, J, but that was absolutely amazing...I was moved, yes I was.
An uncertain future, definitely. That is the legacy of September 11. I lost no family, no friends, but perhaps I lost my country.
No, Semites did.
I've been to it...I once thought it funny, before I realized just how much of it is hateful racism, homophobia, sexism, and the like. It's disgusting.
You haven't been to YTMND I presume?
No, Semites did.sorry. 19 idiots.
And Grey, it was nineteen, not eleven.
I've been to it...I once thought it funny, before I realized just how much of it is hateful racism, homophobia, sexism, and the like. It's disgusting.
You haven't been to YTMND I presume?
We took down an evil tyrant. Even though it had nothing to do about 9-11.
We took down an evil tyrant. Even though it had nothing to do about 9-11.
You're right, of course. But this is the very essence of a "Pyrrhic victory." At this point it isn't even controversial anymore to point out that the Iraqi people were better off under Saddam.
Nevertheless, I asked for some good, and, sure enough, there it is. Heh. Got any "untarnished" good?
We took down an evil tyrant. Even though it had nothing to do about 9-11.
You're right, of course. But this is the very essence of a "Pyrrhic victory." At this point it isn't even controversial anymore to point out that the Iraqi people were better off under Saddam.
Nevertheless, I asked for some good, and, sure enough, there it is. Heh. Got any "untarnished" good?
Canada's economy relative to the US is way better. Our dollar is what now, 95c to the American? Before the war it was something like 64. That's a bonus. Oh, wait, that's only good for Canadians.
Sadly, some of them vote.Heh, at least only some. Here, ALL of them vote.
We took down an evil tyrant. Even though it had nothing to do about 9-11.
Six years, now. And on a Tuesday, too. I still remember large swaths of that day.
Since then, I am sad to say that Osama bin Laden has succeeded far more wildly than he had any right to hope for. As every intelligent terrorist knows, the secret to success is to turn the enemy's own power against them. And that is exactly what has happened. The American people live in constant fear of another attack; large swaths of the us are eager to give up whatever liberties it takes to achieve the illusion of safety; so many of us have forgotten the meaning of justice in our fervent support for torture and preemptive war; we have alienated ourselves from our allies; we have invaded a country and destroyed it--with no plan for reconstruction--leading to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people; we have squandered away our economic vitality; we have given Islamic terrorism a jolt of life that will last throughout the century; all the while failing to protect our ports and borders; failing to set an unmistakable standard of leadership that all the world could follow; failing to champion and achieve liberty in the country whose most sacred word is liberty. And, for all these wounds we have inflicted upon ourselves, upon our friends, and upon the defenseless, we have not even caught the man who attacked us six years ago today. He sits in a cave, impervious to all American might, making movies.
Is there anything good that has come of all this? Can anybody name a single thing that we have done right?
Put on “The Star Stealing Girl” from Chrono Cross and join me in a bit of reflection. It merits mention that, in the past seven years…I woke up to Departed Souls, this morning of all things.
1. We have failed to apprehend or kill the person most responsible for the attacks. In an apology for that disgraceful failure, many of the administration’s supporters have resorted to claiming that Osama bin Laden is no longer important. It is enough to make me wonder if these people believe anything they say.I don't think I have heard anything about "he's not important" from supporters.
2. We lifted up Afghanistan from the clutches of right-wing religious theocracy, only to let it fade back into tribalism and Taliban theocracy due to our lack of attentiveness to the needs of the people there, our lack of understanding of their ways, our lack of real concern, and our refusal to commit enough money and manpower to make a difference.I don't think thats in any way our fault, to be honest there culture for the most part is absolutely disgusting. We tried to change that, but its impossible for an outsider to do it. If they're to come out of there rut then it will be by their own hands. True for any culture.
3. We have completely destroyed a nation, Iraq, and plunged those of its people who have not yet been slaughtered into a generation of terror, poverty, civil war, religious fanaticism, and the all the most horrific sexism of Islamic law as interpreted (and enforced) by young male radicals. In return for our efforts, we have gotten more of our own people killed than died on September 11 itself, and have amassed a fiscal debt that will not be repaid in the lifetimes of many Americans living today.Same as above.
4. Terrorism globally has risen and world political stability has waned, despite our nominal successes against al Qaeda in particular. America’s ability to prevent another terrorist attack on its own soil has been hindered by self-defeating policy, bureaucratic mismanagement, funding shortfalls, and a lack of real interest by the administration.I blame not only America for this but a majority of the "Civil" world. There were to ways to stop terrorism, at our home or theirs. We tried to take it to theirs but were constantly held back but other countries choose home. Either would have worked but mix-matching policies doesn't.
5. We have lost the best portion of our standing and our power to check adversarial nations like Iran, Russia, Venezuela, Pakistan, Sudan, and others.I do agree with you there on a popularity level, but not in power. We can still take any of then out, thats just often more harm then good.
6. Many of our quintessential American liberties, and a few essential democratic ones, have been nullified formally or for all practical purposes, in exchange for a false sense of security that will inevitably be exposed for the sham that it is, probably the hard way.Quoted for truth.
7. The American people may remember the shock of being attacked, but have learned nothing from the experience, and have long since squandered any opportunity to better themselves in the aftermath of tragedy. Since that day, we have chosen to abandon our twentieth century leadership, and the unraveling of our superpower is underway. The terrorists probably could not have hoped for much better.No I think its not that we haven't learned its that we learned the wrong lesson. Now people instead of seeking out the problem hunting or conforming known Terrorist. The protect them selfs, they build walls and shun the outside. That just makes seeing an assassin all the more difficult.
George Bush and his administration deserve much of the blame for the humiliating road we have taken in the past seven years, but the fact of the matter is that we let it happen. We voted this loser into office when such a superior alternative was available. We accepted his feeble logic and supported his conspicuously wretched policies when we should have known better. We reelected him when history gave us the chance to repent. And the truth of the matter is that, for as much as we despise him, we think a lot like he does.He is a pretty piss poor president yes, but I think people just like to blame the man in charge. The claim the could have done better that that pure crap. His a bad leader but hes still a better leader then most put him out to be.
And J, we can never get out of our debt, it's near to impossible, Bush just made it more impossible.
And J, we can never get out of our debt, it's near to impossible, Bush just made it more impossible.
Nothing is impossible, the will just has to be there first.
Unfortunately, no one has the will. It would be nice if that would change, however.
Its funny our taxes are nothing compared to that of many other counties, my god look at France.
♪ Unless it's a budget
--Without taxes!
What do you guys think of the war in Afghanistan nowadays? I get this sense that the media is treating it like another Vietnam (just like how they eventually treated the Iraq War to a considerable degree) but I'm glad the US has its "eye on the ball" again, so to speak. Now if we could stop killing Afghan civilians -- even on a strategic level, that's going to come back to bite us in the ass.Iraq is still treated like Vietnam, in my opinion. Afghanistan, on the other hand, seems to be the forgotten war: people don't remember when it began, why we're there, what we're doing, how it's going, etc. The killing of civilians is deplorable, regardless of where it is, so why the hell does no one seem to care? That story was barely reported on...And apparently a majority of US citizens (well, technically just the people polled) feel that we should pull out of Afghanistan now...Or maybe they feel that we're "losing"? Madness.
♪ Unless it's a budget
--Without taxes!
One final note, I live in California, and we're still don't have a budget.
September 11th has come and gone once again. So yet again, I close this topic. Hopefully by this time next year, California will have a budget.