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Title: Still Love this Game!!
Post by: PrincessNadia78 on May 07, 2020, 10:54:55 pm
I just wanted to say how much I still love this game. I got a new phone back in January when I started my new job and I’ve been playing it a lot during the pandemic. I’m on my second play through and I still love this game so much and I just wanted to share. :)
Title: Re: Still Love this Game!!
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on May 08, 2020, 08:19:58 am
The fact that we've had 3 major hacks in the past two years or less (Schala Edition, CT Plus, and Master Quest) all give additional replay options and show just how grand this series is.

The series may be dead now for almost 20 years, but clearly it still has an impact on fans of jRPGs.
Title: Re: Still Love this Game!!
Post by: CptOvaltine on May 11, 2020, 11:35:10 pm
A timeless classic for sure.  Seriously one of the greatest jrpg series ever.

Despite what I keep seeing around, I want Square to keep this series dead.  I know, I know...hear me out.  We've built up this franchise so much in our minds over the past 20 years that there's no way they can do anything but disappoint a majority of the fanbase. I say let this one rest and be fondly remembered, and instead start a new IP that we can all create new memories with.
Title: Re: Still Love this Game!!
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on May 12, 2020, 09:54:26 am
I wouldn't say no to a remake. Like what they've done with Trials of Mana.
Title: Re: Still Love this Game!!
Post by: Acacia Sgt on May 12, 2020, 07:19:35 pm
A 3D remake might be something nice to do down the road.

Personally, I think what the series might need at the moment is give Cross its time to shine with modern audiences with a port/remake/remaster. Trigger at least gets re-released every now and then, but Cross has been left behind pretty much.
Title: Re: Still Love this Game!!
Post by: Razig on May 15, 2020, 03:43:52 am
Personally, I think what the series might need at the moment is give Cross its time to shine with modern audiences with a port/remake/remaster. Trigger at least gets re-released every now and then, but Cross has been left behind pretty much.

I concur. Chrono Trigger holds up just fine to this day without alteration. Chrono Cross has aged remarkably well (considering how awful many games from that era look to the modern eye), but it could still use a remaster.

However, I would prefer a full remake like Final Fantasy 7 is getting. Keep the overall narrative intact, but fix the bad pacing and explain the confusing story elements better. Reduce the need for exposition by adding a few more dungeons so that information can be revealed organically. Either trim down the cast or make everyone actually relevant to the plot; in either case, everyone should get unique things to say in each situation—none of that identical-dialogue-fed-through-an-accent-generator business. I wouldn't want to see the battle system changed too much, since I think it's a quintessential part of the Chrono Cross experience, but it could definitely be rebalanced and expanded upon.

Lastly, I'd want an Extras Mode full of goodies like the PS and DS releases of Chrono Trigger.
Title: Re: Still Love this Game!!
Post by: Sheiken on May 15, 2020, 05:21:25 am
I would want either a remake of Chrono Trigger inthe same way Trials of Mana was redone (the base game and all charm is intact, but experienced in a new way) or a remaster compilation on Switch with Chrono Grigger, Chrono Cross, and a bonus translation of Radical Dreamers.

What I don't want is a remake like FFVII, where they use the base game but stray from the source material in a way that takes it in a new direction (though cross would set it up for aomethkng like this to be an alternative timeline, and maybe even set up for a new entry as a twist).

In any case, SE has been reviving old IPs and even expressed interest in making a new Mana game.  This give me hope for any if these projects, or dare I say a completely new entry, to happen sometime soon.  Not holding my breath, but the possibility is real.
Title: Re: Still Love this Game!!
Post by: Kodokami on May 15, 2020, 12:48:49 pm
A Trials of Mana-like remake of Trigger would be beautiful. I regrettably have never played any of the Mana games, but what I've seen of the remake matches the tone of Trigger very well, I think.

I'm not confident the same could be done for Cross, however. I would like for it to at least be ported to newer consoles or PC.
Title: Re: Still Love this Game!!
Post by: Acacia Sgt on May 15, 2020, 01:36:01 pm
I also like the idea of Trigger getting a ToM style remake.

I'm not confident the same could be done for Cross, however. I would like for it to at least be ported to newer consoles or PC.

I feel it could just use a HD remaster and it'd be fine for re-release, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Still Love this Game!!
Post by: Razig on May 15, 2020, 02:11:47 pm
What I don't want is a remake like FFVII, where they use the base game but stray from the source material in a way that takes it in a new direction (though cross would set it up for aomethkng like this to be an alternative timeline, and maybe even set up for a new entry as a twist).

My understanding was that they weren't really changing anything, just expanding on things that were only hinted at or mentioned in passing in the original, but I could easily be mistaken since I haven't been following it closely. Regardless, I think there's plenty of room for such expansion in Chrono Cross while keeping true to the source material, considering how rushed and compressed the final hours are and how little development most of the cast gets.
Title: Re: Still Love this Game!!
Post by: Sheiken on May 16, 2020, 12:53:22 pm
What I don't want is a remake like FFVII, where they use the base game but stray from the source material in a way that takes it in a new direction (though cross would set it up for aomethkng like this to be an alternative timeline, and maybe even set up for a new entry as a twist).

My understanding was that they weren't really changing anything, just expanding on things that were only hinted at or mentioned in passing in the original, but I could easily be mistaken since I haven't been following it closely. Regardless, I think there's plenty of room for such expansion in Chrono Cross while keeping true to the source material, considering how rushed and compressed the final hours are and how little development most of the cast gets.

Nah, it uses the original story as a base but goes in a whole new direction.  It is not a remake like the title says, but a reboot that has its own canon in an alternate reality.  My source is the fact that I am playing the game right now.  While I am enjoying myself, I would not want this for the Chrono series, especially not CT.

Now I agree CC could use some expansion, and maybe even clarification in some spots.  But even then, a FFVIIR style of change would be unwelcome in my eyes.
Title: Re: Still Love this Game!!
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on May 17, 2020, 10:29:50 pm
I dunno, I would love a Chrono Cross remake with a more expanded third act.

They could finally put in the content that they originally planned for the third act instead of the rushed, heavily deleted and edited text dump we got. That way it stays in line with what the creators envisioned and doesn't fall victim to the "parallel universe like FFVIIR" fears.
Title: Re: Still Love this Game!!
Post by: Redline57 on May 18, 2020, 07:54:20 pm
Chrono Trigger rules! Woooo!

I'd like a remake, but done with more fans included, so they dont screw it up like the ff7 remake ( i wasnt a fan due to changing too much)

a CT remake really only would need, in my eyes, better graphics and maybe better or more music, and by better i mean enhanced music, dont change any of the major songs, the music is what made this game great)
Title: Re: Still Love this Game!!
Post by: cymorg on May 18, 2020, 11:24:44 pm
I just wanted to say how much I still love this game. I got a new phone back in January when I started my new job and I’ve been playing it a lot during the pandemic. I’m on my second play through and I still love this game so much and I just wanted to share. :)

I've been replaying vanilla CT during this quarantine. It's been a good chance to experience it again, it really gets my creative juices going and inspires me to make more art/fic. It got me into drawing and stuff when I was a kid so I guess it's only natural that I'd come back to it all these years. Still the best game of all time, IMO.

I've always wanted to try some of these hacks, though. I could never figure out how to get them to work then, and I guess some things never change, because I still haven't quite figured it out. Glad there's always Youtube, anyway!
Title: Re: Still Love this Game!!
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on May 19, 2020, 11:20:32 am
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I'd like a remake, but done with more fans included, so they dont screw it up like the ff7 remake ( i wasnt a fan due to changing too much)

I've heard a lot of complaints about the ending regarding this being a "future timeline" and that the rest of events may happen quite different post-Midgar. It sounds like a lot of fans having an issue of it not being a remake, but rather an alternate series of events (sort of like the 2009 reboot of Star Trek). Just out of curiousity, is that the case, or was it the additional content that bothered you?

I haven't had a chance to talk to anyone who has played it, so I'm definitely curious!
Title: Re: Still Love this Game!!
Post by: CptOvaltine on May 19, 2020, 09:25:50 pm
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I'd like a remake, but done with more fans included, so they dont screw it up like the ff7 remake ( i wasnt a fan due to changing too much)

I've heard a lot of complaints about the ending regarding this being a "future timeline" and that the rest of events may happen quite different post-Midgar. It sounds like a lot of fans having an issue of it not being a remake, but rather an alternate series of events (sort of like the 2009 reboot of Star Trek). Just out of curiousity, is that the case, or was it the additional content that bothered you?

I haven't had a chance to talk to anyone who has played it, so I'm definitely curious!

I've played it...I will say this; it's beautiful, it's fun, and it's full of great little throw backs...but it has almost none of the charm the original had in my opinion. It feels like a new game/story with familiar themes, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. 

Though I'm one of those fans that wanted a 1:1 remake, I was also open minded to a new experience, but instead what I got was a weird hybrid of "this is VII, but it's not really VII".  The ending completely invalidated the entire Remake project and definitely set the tone for alternate storyline. Your analogy of the Star Trek reboot is spot on.  This is more or less a reboot of FFVII, but full of all sorts of Kingdom Hearts level storytelling shenanigans.

It might sound like I hate the game, I don't!  It was actually a lot of fun to play...it just wasn't FFVII and it took me some time to reconcile with that. It's also a great indicator of where Square is at right now and the type of content they want to create.  That's all fine, but I would rather they move on to new IP's then trying to re-invent the old.  It seems to be my opinion about most reboots/revivals these days.
Title: Re: Still Love this Game!!
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on May 20, 2020, 10:39:15 am
Good right up about your thoughts. I definitely want to play it, but I don't have a PS4. Here's hoping that they port it to PC!

I haven't played it, so I can't speak for the game itself, but... Tetsuya Nomura is batshit insane. I loved the Kingdom Hearts series, have played every game except KH3, and he has made it an absolute jumbled mess. I don't mind a convoluted storyline, but it at least has to make sense. Kingdom Hearts has slowly been falling off the rails, never provides any resolution, and it just all over the place.

I also think Crisis Core was hurt by his creative presence. Great concept, but the semi-retconning and inclusion of insane story elements (Genesis and Angeal and all the weird clones) just hurt the overall product for me.

I love Nomura as a character designer, but as a storyteller...? Not gonna lie, I think he's a hot mess. I say all this to just say that I worry a little about FFVIIR having a similar fate. I don't mind it changing up events with a new "what if" mindset, but if it goes into heavily convoluted storytelling territory... oy vey.
Title: Re: Still Love this Game!!
Post by: CptOvaltine on May 25, 2020, 04:02:03 pm
I love Nomura as a character designer, but as a storyteller...? Not gonna lie, I think he's a hot mess. I say all this to just say that I worry a little about FFVIIR having a similar fate. I don't mind it changing up events with a new "what if" mindset, but if it goes into heavily convoluted storytelling territory... oy vey.

I think that's a great assessment. He has a brilliant mind, I think, but he needs someone to reign him in and help organize his thoughts.  Otherwise we get this "throw every cool idea at the wall, see what sticks, and then try to connect the dots" approach to story telling.

I share your fear that the FFVIIR is going to suffer the same storytelling fate as Kingdom Hearts.  The parts of the Remake that are from VII are strong and familiar.  The new content is...weird, and a bit confusing.  I will say that the entire atmosphere and storytelling have taken a much more "anime" approach then I personally care for, but I know a lot of people like that aspect.

All this to say, the new ending/content is jumbled and is pretty hard to follow without context. If understanding the Remake requires that you understand the original, to me that seems like a fatal flaw in your strategy.