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Title: Seiken Densetsu collection
Post by: Dialga_Palkia on February 12, 2019, 03:01:07 am
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2019/02/square_enix_trademarks_final_fantasy_adventure_and_secret_of_mana_in_the_us
Title: Re: Seiken Densetsu collection
Post by: Redline57 on February 12, 2019, 04:34:35 am
Looking at my SNES, you trademarked Secret of Mana over 2 decades ago, way to go morons.

The SoM remake had some real wierd graphics...but does this mean they are gonna try and 'surprise' the neo-retro generation by remaking Seiken Densetsu 3? (Secret of Mana 2) Cause I liked that game, I have a repro-cart of it for my console, and as my brother and friend went to NC State, i know a guy who knows the fan translator :P
Title: Re: Seiken Densetsu collection
Post by: Acacia Sgt on February 12, 2019, 12:53:17 pm
Looking at my SNES, you trademarked Secret of Mana over 2 decades ago, way to go morons.

That's the copyright. Trademarks need to constantly be renewed.

I'm going to conceed, however, that the recent SoM remake counts as trademark renewal, so doing another renewal now may seem strange. However, I don't work at SE, so what would I know about how they handle trademark periods.

The alternative, is that the trademark is for the original, and somehow the remake doesn't count for that version of the game in terms of trademark. THe last time the original SoM could have a trademark renewal was in 2014 with its mobile port. So by this point, in 2019, that's enough time to need a trademark renewal. Again, if the 3D remake doesn't count for the 2D version as well.

Though again, I'm not a lawyer to know how these things work in full detail.
Title: Re: Seiken Densetsu collection
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on February 12, 2019, 01:06:16 pm
I wonder if these aren't ports of the recent SoM remake and the cell phone Final Fantasy Adventure remake? Maybe for the Switch?
Title: Re: Seiken Densetsu collection
Post by: Acacia Sgt on February 12, 2019, 01:13:36 pm
I'd say it's possible. FFA hasn't had anything outside Japan outside it's original release. Likewise SoM doesn't have anything for the recent Nintendo consoles.

Maybe for the Switch?

Well, recently Nintendo announced another Direct video for tomorrow:

https://www.nintendo.com/nintendo-direct/02-13-2019/ (https://www.nintendo.com/nintendo-direct/02-13-2019/)

So we'll see soon enough if that's the case or not.
Title: Re: Seiken Densetsu collection
Post by: CptOvaltine on February 12, 2019, 05:12:31 pm
Interesting.  I didn't hate the SOM remake, but it was by no means an improvement on the original.  A switch release seems likely considering Squares current MO.
Title: Re: Seiken Densetsu collection
Post by: Redline57 on February 15, 2019, 01:35:13 am
Lawyers suck.

So how long does the copyright last then? I thought that either that or trademarks lasted like hundreds of years. But is it just a renewal so they can sue hackers, or are does this usually happen when a new game comes out? SOmeone told me when they are gonna make like a new GTA game, they go and acquire website names to use for their references like pogo the monkey. Might this be that?
Title: Re: Seiken Densetsu collection
Post by: trig on February 15, 2019, 09:08:16 am
This usually happens when a game [, movie, show] is being developed.
Title: Re: Seiken Densetsu collection
Post by: Dialga_Palkia on June 08, 2019, 04:44:05 pm
https://twitter.com/New_WabiSabi/status/1137394301590167559
https://twitter.com/New_WabiSabi/status/1137433534862307328

And for the first time ever, SD3 becomes Trials of Mana.
Title: Re: Seiken Densetsu collection
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on June 08, 2019, 05:39:06 pm
Nice! About damn time we got an official port of SD3.

Looking forward to hearing the official announcement!
Title: Re: Seiken Densetsu collection
Post by: Acacia Sgt on June 08, 2019, 06:05:07 pm
Oh, finally an official overseas release for SD3? Great!  8)
Title: Re: Seiken Densetsu collection
Post by: V_Translanka on June 10, 2019, 01:24:18 am
Hope it comes with 3-player functionality this time!
Title: Re: Seiken Densetsu collection
Post by: Redline57 on June 11, 2019, 02:09:43 am
It did the first time. You just...need that 1 to 4 plug port for the SNES that almost no one bought.
Title: Re: Seiken Densetsu collection
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on June 11, 2019, 09:21:44 am
Interestingly enough, this didn't show up at E32019 during the SE portion last night!
Title: Re: Seiken Densetsu collection
Post by: Acacia Sgt on June 11, 2019, 11:55:57 am
Maybe it will be in Nintendo's presentation? Well, we'll see...

Looks like I was right. THe collection is getting an overseas release AND SD3, or Trials of Mana now, is getting a 3D remake like the other two games.
Title: Re: Seiken Densetsu collection
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on June 11, 2019, 01:58:58 pm
Yup! It was part of Nintendo's.

And that's awesome - Trials of Mana will be a complete 3D remake of SD3 (like the SOM remake).

Can't wait!
Title: Re: Seiken Densetsu collection
Post by: CptOvaltine on June 13, 2019, 02:11:51 pm
Already bought the collection!  I wasn't to hyped about the remake...didn't care much for the Secret of Mana remake so I'll probably pass on the new one.
Title: Re: Seiken Densetsu collection
Post by: Acacia Sgt on June 13, 2019, 03:12:23 pm
For anyone who hasn't seen it yet, gameplay video, of both the original and the remake:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7KXJOYWCYw
Title: Re: Seiken Densetsu collection
Post by: Razig on June 13, 2019, 05:11:58 pm
I loved the graphics and music of Seiken Densetsu 3 but HATED the gameplay. Looks like the combat system has been totally overhauled for the remake, so I might pick it up. Any word whether there will be online multiplayer?
Title: Re: Seiken Densetsu collection
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on June 14, 2019, 09:34:22 am
Thanks for posting the ToM gameplay video, Acacia Sgt! I didn't actually watch the Nintendo Direct or associated videos in too much detail due to being hella busy. That video and all the gameplay they showed was great.

I can't wait! The Mana series, although it's had its up and downs, is one of my favorite overall series. SoM is just being Chrono Trigger for me in all time favorite RPGs.
Title: Re: Seiken Densetsu collection
Post by: V_Translanka on June 29, 2019, 02:03:03 am
It did the first time. You just...need that 1 to 4 plug port for the SNES that almost no one bought.

You may be thinking of SD2, 3 did not have 3-player support...
Title: Re: Seiken Densetsu collection
Post by: papercut on January 08, 2020, 11:09:25 am
All I know is SoM 2 (the originally unreleased SoM) for SNES was perfect.  It took repetition a little to the extreme, but was a fun story with a pretty good customizable-level up mechanic.  Most games nowadays take it to the extreme (cough cough* lookin at YOU Valkyrie Profiles cough cough*) which tends to drag on the fun.  Seiken for the Gameboy was absolutely perfection also.  A little long, but only until I figured out some walls were breakable. 

Also, since I play SoM for the SNES brand style, I'm not really caring for 3D by any stretch, but I'll probably definitely buy a copy to support them.  As soooon as I get Switch.  And after OctoPath game.  And my second playthrough of 4Heroes of Light on my DS.  When Lucca finally builds me a time machine like she's been promising.  @_@ haha >)
Title: Re: Seiken Densetsu collection
Post by: papercut on January 08, 2020, 11:12:56 am
Oh also, yes, addendum:  Trials of Mana is what I was talking about.