Chrono Compendium
News and Updates => Chrono News => Topic started by: ZeaLitY on February 09, 2019, 10:13:13 pm
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Sorry if I'm late tot he party, but this just came up on Twitter: Next up is Weekly Famitsu Sept. 23, 1994. (https://twitter.com/OKeijiDragon/status/1092915453414989824?s=09)
(https://www.chronocompendium.com/images/wiki/e/e6/DyrQxbtUUAEkIyg.jpg) (https://www.chronocompendium.com/images/wiki/9/97/DyrQy7BVYAEghJA.jpg)
Hate using the "beta" and "alpha" verbiage of yore, but it pretty effectively communicates that what we're seeing here is the old tileset for 1000 A.D. There's also a different Zenan Bridge look going on as well. Will get these in the encyclopedia in the next update. If anyone knows OKD, we would murder to get better scans of those pages.
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I love those little windmills. And are those waterfalls? And another plane too.
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Oh, that's very interesting.
What catches more my attention is that lower-right picture in the first image. Seems like a blend of 1000AD and 2300AD interiors. Considering it shows Lucca fixing/maintaining Robo as Crono, Marle, and Frog watch, it makes me curious about the context. Early version of Lucca's house?
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I could definiitely call it an early work, the two top pictures make the world travel look squarish, i know you can only move in 4 directions but it doesnt feel that way, its open, while the square paths look older, more ff1 era.
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The battle commands are a little wider in this version, making it so you can't see character names or HP/MP when everyone is ready. I'm curious how this would have displayed when you weren't ready.
That future location looks different than any location I recognize in game.
I wonder what house the Epoch is flying over in that screenshot.
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Maybe it's the location Robo was discovered, where the future was planned to be slightly less bleak/destroyed (or, at least, the interiors were nicer looking).
Much of the art, especially the world map, gives such a Final Fantasy feel, huh?
Each of the three boxes in the battle dialog seem to say the same thing, in both battle screens. Placeholder text? (I don't understand Japanese)
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If it was the future, then I wonder about Frog's prescence there. Perhaps he would join earlier. Maybe it's part of a cutscene somewhen else. I don't think the text next to the picture gives context. From what little I can understand, it seems to talk about "party of 3 members", and lists a few of the characters. I see the words Girlfriend (or just Girl Friend? Hard to tell), Frog, and Robot there, alongside Crono's name.
It's not placeholder. The top name is Tatakau, which means more or less "Battle" of "Fight". It's the standard Attack command. The bottom name is Item, also self-explanatoru. Now, for the middle names, the box of the left has Renkei, which means like "Cooperation" or "Link". While the other two are "Waza", which is "Skill" or "Ability". Respectively, they're the Combo and Tech commands. So no, it all points that was finished.
In fact, form the context of the text in the first image, it sounds like it's explaining the Renkei commands. As in, the Double/Tripple techs. Perhaps the only thing we can question is why only one of the Tech's turns into Combo if, well, Double/Tripple Techs would imply at least one other character would have Renkei, not Waza.
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Neat. I admit I thought the sprite of Frog was background art. Whoops.
I am encouraged to learn intermediate Japanese (and certain other languages) if only to understand exclusive content like this. I have my kanas... so I am already 0.0001% of the way.
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We've seen a variation on that early Zenan Bridge screenshot before, in low quality, in one of the Next Gate images.
(https://www.chronocompendium.com/images/wiki/thumb/c/c3/V_Jump_1996-02_Page_197.jpg/335px-V_Jump_1996-02_Page_197.jpg)(see image page here (https://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/File:V_Jump_1996-02_Page_197.jpg.html) for more detail.)
- The dome screenshot is the same one in the Brazilian magazine scan.
- The other battle screenshots appear to be of the sample battles shown in the 1994 preview video
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Now if there were only doujins to find. Or a proto type cartridge like the space world GS demo.
By the way, have you seen this?
https://mobile.twitter.com/parkerrsimmons/status/964036969444491266
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You mean like that Sonic 2 beta cartridge that was stolen and years later someone decoded and unlocked some of the unfinished levels? I thought thats how we found the singing mountain stuff used in CE...
I look at the bottom right picture with the mountains in the background, was this an early theory of using like mode 7 to walk around the world? a precursor to a 3d world view from the 1st person sort of?
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I was looking through a Twitter feed (Chronomoogle's) and found a retweet to one with lots of V-Jump scans.
https://twitter.com/Bo_deWindt/status/1071305238907248641
Mostly pre-release/"beta"/proto and final stuff, but there are still some things we haven't seen before.
I don't want to hijack this thread too much, so this is just the October 1994 stuff (not necessarily new).
- The "ice" tileset seen in the "Next Gate 8" page I posted earlier.
- What looks to be the character select test (https://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Test_Areas_(CTP).html) on the filler map (https://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Filler_Map_(CTP).html)
- Schala and Janus in the same screenshot seen in EGM #63
- Crono and Marle on a strange landscape.
- The "robot village", also seen in "Next Gate".
- Regular dome screenshot again
- Telepod exhibit with more observers
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Now if there were only doujins to find. Or a proto type cartridge like the space world GS demo.
By the way, have you seen this?
https://mobile.twitter.com/parkerrsimmons/status/964036969444491266
Not sure if it's just my weird brain, but the pic with Marle on top and the arrows pointing to lucca and ayla, it looks like some strange Pokemon reference where Marle could evolve using earth or fire stones into either Ayla or Lucca.
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If anyone knows OKD, we would murder to get better scans of those pages.
Not OKD, but I managed to get these pages scanned. Also made an attempt at a translation.
Original Japanese: http://imgbox.com/Ykx6HVrW (http://imgbox.com/Ykx6HVrW)
English: http://imgbox.com/8lsuU1RZ (http://imgbox.com/8lsuU1RZ)
Man, these screenshots are so cool. 8)
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I don't think I ever noticed that Marle has pink hair in the alpha screenshot(s)!
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Yeah at first I thought it might have been some kind of artifact from the photography or printing process, but the pink hair seems pretty consistent across screenshots and publications. There's some art of Marle with alternate colors as well, but it's almost an inversion of this (white hair, purple clothes).
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Yeah at first I thought it might have been some kind of artifact from the photography or printing process, but the pink hair seems pretty consistent across screenshots and publications. There's some art of Marle with alternate colors as well, but it's almost an inversion of this (white hair, purple clothes).
(https://www.chronocompendium.com/images/wiki/e/ed/Next_gate_last_145dpi.jpg)
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That's the one!
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Ok, I want to see pink haired Marle in game now.
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Pink-haired Marle with a more Crono-esque outfit (sort of a gi-like thing).
Ayla lookin' all like Android 18 from DBZ in a full-body dress/skirt.
Robo lookin' like a squat little alien robot guy.
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Do we have those 3 B&W artworks anywhere? I've never seen them before.
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Heh, Robo looking like Giru there. At least, it reminds me of.
I'd say, I think Marle kinda looks better with that outfit.
Also, no wonder they didn't stick with that hairstyle for Ayla. Would not suit the cavewoman persona. :lol: Or at least, the wilder-looking hair fits better.
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Do we have those 3 B&W artworks anywhere? I've never seen them before.
The ones on the left are apparently staff artworks (as opposed to Toriyama's official illustrations).
スタッフイメージイラスト
ゲーム制作中には、開発スタッフのひとたちが、いっぽいイメージカットをがいていたん描いていたんだ。エンディング以降のイメージもあってちきちょき超貴重！！
Google Translate:
Staff image illustration
During the game production, the development staff were drawing and drawing a kind of image cut. There is also an image after the ending, so it's very precious! !
DeeplL:
Staff Image Illustration
During the production of the game, the development staff drew some cutesy images of the game, and I was able to draw I was there. There's an image after the ending, and it's tiny and super precious!
The ones on the right, were in the Player's Guide.
https://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Supporting_Material_Translation.html#V-Jump_Player.27s_Guide
Remember back when we got those images (https://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php?topic=8944)?
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Marle's hair seems a bit curly in these alpha images as well hrmmm something like this;
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50171431161_07c57d6c50_w.jpg)
Now an android 18 looking Ayla and robo, that'll be interesting~
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I think I like it better than OG Marle, haha!
Also, did you put that together, TheMage? Nice!
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I did! half tempted to throw it in a rom xD
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We could do a ROM hack in which we replace all the main characters with sprite versions of their alpha art (Marle with pink curly hair and a gi, Robo looking like a different robot, Frog tweaked, Ayla looking somewhat like Android 18, etc).
We could go even further back to the original sketches -- Robo looked like the Mammon Machine, Frog looked like a crazed half-frog, half cave-man, Crono was more radical, etc. Since Gaspar was in that art (and intended to be the eighth character), we could even swap out his sprite.
So the ROM hack would really just require us to create the new sprite sheets and swap them in.
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I'm down for ROM Hacks.