Chrono Compendium
Enhasa Halls - Chrono Series Analysis => Characters, Plot, and Themes => Topic started by: Metalraptor on December 11, 2017, 02:39:22 am
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Before I go into this, let me start by noting that I haven't played Chrono Trigger or Cross in a very long time, it's been over a decade at least, so I'm sure a lot of people here will be able to do a far better job of interpreting what I'm about to suggest. I also want to point out that I myself am not 100% convinced that this theory is accurate, in fact I have a lot of theories that often conflict with one another. ^_^;
I've been watching some retro streams of Chrono Trigger gameplay as of late, which has revived my interest in some of the circumstances in the game that are still left unsolved, in particularly the ones involving Schala and her mysterious pendent.
In regards to Chrono Cross, I've always had sort of a love/hate opinion of the game, but while putting some thought as to why they did certain things in the sequel, an idea popped into my head, that is so bizarre I've spent several hours going through the wiki trying to find as much information as I can, to either find evidence or disprove whether or not it is possible.
Having said all of that, please feel free to make any corrections to mistakes, as well as either positive or negative suggestions regarding this theory, I would very much like to know your thoughts on the matter.
Lastly, do to the nature of this subject, spoilers will be mentioned frequently.
Okay, the theory revolves around the question regarding Schala's pendent, this little object has a way of getting around in the games, which is quite odd.
Likewise, why is it that Princess Nadia (aka Marle) has Schala's pendant?
Why does Kid have the pendent in the game Chrono Cross?
What actually happened to Schala after the incident in the Ocean Palace?
There is a bit of dialog in Chrono Trigger at the Keeper's Dome which I've always wondered about.
OLD MAN (Balthazar):
"Schala...I've missed you so..."
"NO!"
"You MUST NOT climb Death Peak!"
"Wouldn't make it very far, anyway!
It has to be the right time...
...and...THEY...have to show you the way!"
Now, Balthazar is kind of in and out of it at this point, but I think what's actually going on is a reflection of a conversation he had with Schala, in the future, remember that this happens while Crono is still alive, so the party has no reason to go to Death Peak yet.
Basically, after the Ocean Palace incident, I believe it is possible that a gate opened up, which teleported Schala into the future, where she sees the devistation that Lavos has caused, she eventually meets Balthazar there, and then for whatever reason, chose to climb Death Peak on her own.
I feel that from there, she used her power to open a gateway to the Darkness Beyond Time, where she planed to influence certain historical events by opening gates that would enable the heroes from the first game to travel between time zones.
However, Lavos was able to figure out what she was doing, and after being defeated by Crono's party, happened to show up there, where he attempted to merge with Schala, forming into the Time Devourer.
Now, whether if my thoughts regarding Schala traveliing to the future and climbing Death Peak are true or not, I can't completely say.
Later on Crono's party manages to find their way to the Darkness Beyond Time, where they encounter Magus along with Schala, who is in the process of merging with Lavos.
Magus tries to fight the Time Devourer, but is defeated, Crono's party tries to fight it as well and is also defeated.
Note that this is in the DS version, which I have not played, so I'm not completely sure of the details behind this.
But it results with Schala teleporting Crono's party away, before stating the following to Magus.
Schala: "The strength you wield now cannot free me.
No, perhaps it is better said that no strength can.
So long as you lean upon the crutch of power, this world's sorrow can know no true end.
Return to your own time now.
Dwell not on this."
She then teleports Magus somewhere, where he decides to erase his own memories.
Now this is just a crazy thought that is a separate idea, but what if this instance of Magus would later become Wazuki (Serge's father, later Lynx)?
They both have blue hair and a long sharp jaw, and it would explain why Lynx's preferred weapon is a scythe.
On Schala's page of the Chrono Trigger wiki, it states the following:
"However, as Schala remained bound to Lavos, she heard Serge crying from being wounded by a panther demon, and struggled with all her might to make contact with the time period 1006 A.D. This caused the magnetic storm that nullified the power systems of Chronopolis and allowed Serge to touch the Frozen Flame and become its Arbiter."
Why would this make any difference to Schala, considering her current state? Unless Serge were somehow connected to her, perhaps Serge is a reincarnation of Magus, but I personally feel that Serge might actually Magus' son.
Now, what about Guile?
It's never actually stated that Guile is Magus, though it's clear the original intent was for him to be Magus, based on the game Radical Dreamers, but when they made Chrono Cross they decided to leave that area open for interpretation.
In my view, I feel that Guile is the same Magus that joined Crono's party, who didn't give up magic and retained his memories.
The other Magus was probably from a branching timeline, this could technically be the first sign of an alternate dimension showing up, but not the same dimensional split we have in Chrono Cross, as Serge's father had to of existed in both.
I don't know, but that's just another theory.
Getting back to Schala, we know that she created Kid as a clone of herself at some point during her corruption, and that Schala somehow regressed in age do to this, her hair also changed color.
But why would the developers do that?
This has puzzled me for a long time, if Kid were a clone, then it's fine for her hair and appearance to be totally different, that would only throw the players off, by making us think she is somehow related to Marle instead of Schala.
Then it hit me, the reason why Princess Nadia has Schala's pendent to begin with. . .
In the true ending of Chrono Cross, Serge's party saves Schala from the Time Devourer, she then makes a long statement, appearing to alternate between Kid's and her own personality, she also promises Serge that she will find him again no matter what.
After this, it's not completely clear what happens to Schala, or Kid for that matter, though the wiki suggests the possibility that the two might have merged together as one person.
In the next scene, Serge wakes up on the beach next to Leena, his memories of Kid and his adventure have been completely wiped, then it moves onto another scene showing the book from the intro with some narration:
"Thus the curtain closes on another tale.
An eternity has passed...
Fleeting dreams fade into the distance...
All that is left now
Is me and my memories...
But I'm sure we'll meet again,
Someday, you and I...
Another place, another time.
It's just that we might not realize
That you are you and I am me...
Let us open the door to the great unknown.
Come across another reality.
And live another today...
Even when the story has been told.
Life goes on...
Until we meet again.
Take care of yourself, my friend...
Forever yours,
Schala "Kid" Zeal"
Then the book closes and the camera focuses onto a picture that I believe might have a surprising twist that everyone's overlooked.
The wiki presumes that the picture is of Schala or Kid in her wedding dress with a man standing next to her, whose face we cannot make out.
That might be true, it might also be a picture of her dressed in royal garments.
(http://images2.imagebam.com/5a/ac/28/f75930684385763.jpg)
I personally doubt that it's Serge standing next to her, I also don't think it's a picture of Schala during her time in Zeal while sitting next to her brother, as the man is too big to be Janus, and he's too small to be Magus in a later time.
What I think this picture is showing us, is a clue as to where Schala may have actually gone.
I know this is a huge stretch, but what if the picture we're looking at is of the young King Guardia XXI and his wife Queen Leene?
Now if you look closely at the man's outfit in the picture, you'll notice that he has kind of a sash around his body which is at a slight angle, the location is not exactly the same, but considering that it's probably from an earlier time, and the fact that a lot of designs were modified in Chrono Cross, I think it could actually be a young King Guardia XXI.
Think about it for a moment, after saving Schala, her age has been regressed, her hair and physical appearance has changed, she's possibly merged with Kid, and the pendent has been returned to her.
Because she has been observing the world's events from the Darkness Beyond Time, she has witnessed the progression of the Guardian royal family, as well as Crono and Nadia's adventure through time, which was possibly made a reality do to her involvement from afar.
She has also blamed herself for many of the problems that have happened over the ages, meaning that she would most likely choose the life that enables a potential future, over a life of personal happiness.
What I'm theorizing is, that after Schala is freed, she may have traveled a bit through time, before finally settling in the middle ages, where she took on the alias of Leene and married into the Guardian royal family, passing her pendent down through her decedents until it would eventually end up in Princess Nadia's possession.
I don't recall the game making any statements regarding how or when the Guardian royal family acquired the pendent, if Schala was able to pass it onto Kid, then it wouldn't make any sense how it would end up with Queen Leene, unless the events with Kid took place first, and the pendent went backwards in time.
I also want to point out the message Queen Leene wrote to Princess Nadia:
"Dearest Marle, I know things are tough between you and your father. But nothing can break your bond of blood. Neither words of anger, nor great distances. Someday, when you have children, you will understand. This special bond is part of a family tree which links us together."
— Queen Guardia XXI, Leene
To which the wiki has to say:
"The contents imply that at some point in her life she figures out that Marle is her descendant."
I don't think she figured this out, I think she may have known all along and kept quiet.
If she found out that Nadia was her descendant, while observing history, then she would have to go back in time to make it happen, otherwise a paradox would occur, and Lavos would not be destroyed.
In other words, it would have been impossible for her to stay in Serge's time, as she had a more critical reason to go back.
Likewise, Magus probably wouldn't have recognized her as Leene, do to the extreme changes in her appearance, this might have also been intentional on her part (as Schala would be capable of magic). Plus I seriously doubt Magus would try to make eye contact with the wife of his presumed enemy.
At the same time, I don't think she intended to use her magic more than necessary, as her primary reason to go back would have been to provide Nadia with a living ancestor, as well as the pendent, and she probably stopped using magic altogether, which is why she wouldn't or couldn't use any to heal the King after he was injured.
But this leads to yet another crazy theory, as stated earlier, after getting the true ending in Chrono Cross, Serge wakes up on the beech next to Leena.
I always thought it was interesting how some characters in Cross had similar names and personalities to people in Trigger, and I kind of wonder if Schala, presuming that she did go back in time as Leene, has incarnated several times since then along side of people she has grown attached to.
For a couple of examples: Janus/Magus > Serge and Schala/Kid/Leene > Leena or Glen > Glenn, Cyrus > Dario and Schala/Leene > Riddel.
But anyway, I'm not sure about any of this, just wanted to know your thoughts. :)
And yes, I know it's crazy. :picardno
[Update]
Chrono Trigger used placeholder sprite graphics hidden on the maps for various scenes, some of which didn't make it into the final game, but are still hiding behind graphics in said rooms.
In the scene where Schala uses the pendent to open the door, if you remove some of the game's layer graphics you'll find Queen Leene's sprite along with an attended standing behind the door.
I thought this was interesting, as it potentially links the two characters together in the original game.
https://youtu.be/2Ja3TdujlDg?t=12m44s
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Hmmm...
I do like the idea of Schala attempting to climb Death Peak.
And, random: it seems like everyone from Zeal (who could use magic) had the different colored hair. Whereas all the descendents, from Ayla to Marle (seriously, I thought it was a recessive gene) have that blonde kind of hair. So, since they're all apparently related, Schala's hair would be blonde. Except she's all magical and stuff. There's a thread about it somewhere around here...
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Gotta admit, this is one of the wilder theories I've seen.
However, it fails to account for one thing: Radical Dreamers.
In it, it is outright implied at the end that Kid was a reincarnation of Schala. Story-wise, that kinda explains her hair being blonde instead of blue. Meta-wise, I think Kato wanted to put as much distance between himself and Toriyama as possible, including character designs.
However, the reincarnation angle hit a snag in the transition between Radical Dreamers and Chrono Cross, and we get the mess that is the 'daughter-clone'.
As for Magus, it has been outright said in interviews that Guile was originally meant to be Magus to coincide with Dreamers character Magil, but couldn't implement it directly because of time and budget issues. So him being Wazuki is jossed.
Going back to Radical Dreamers, the romance between Kid and Serge first happened in that game, and depicted them both as star-crossed lovers. Unfortunately, this is another aspect that didn't quite transition well between Dreamers and Cross, as it basically led to Serge being strangled by the red string, so to speak.
Finally, as for the pendant, Schala was royalty. It's not a stretch to believe she had more than one pendant on her person. Hell, she had an amulet too, which she gave to her brother. But the pendant we see in Trigger, the one passed down the royal family of Guardia, is more or less the key to the Manmon Machine and symbol of Schala's status as Arbiter of the Frozen Flame.
I think what happened was that Schala removed it during the collapse of the Ocean Palace, tossing the damn thing as far away from her as she could. Buried under the sea for an untold number of years, it may have been more than likely discovered by the founders of Guardia.
The other pendant, Schala's personal one I believe, is the one Kid wears. The one that rewinds time yadda-yadda. Though that doesn't quite explain where the Astral Amulet comes into all of this, but there it is.
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Here's my theory about Schala's pendant.
In the original timeline, Crono's party wasn't present at the Ocean Palace disaster, so Schala was able to teleport herself and her mother to safety. She lived out the rest of her days (hopefully peacefully) and left the pendant to someone when she died. It passed through many hands throughout history, eventually ending up in the Guardia royal family's possession.
Now we're up to the playable events of Chrono Trigger. The pendant's location is never in question throughout the game, but it's important to note that by being carried around during the adventure, it gains time traveler's immunity. When the Ocean Palace disaster happens this time, Schala is unable to save herself because she spends the last of her pendant's power rescuing Crono's party. She falls into the Darkness Beyond Time as the palace collapses, taking the pendant with her.
However, due to the aforementioned time traveler's immunity, Marle retains her pendant despite its earlier incarnation being lost. (Just like how going back to collect the elemental vests in 600 AD doesn't nullify the powered-up elemental mails you got in 1000 AD.) Although Schala's disappearance means the Guardia royal family never came into possession of the pendant in this new timeline, Marle still has her memories of the old timeline, and more importantly, she still has the pendant itself. So there's no paradox about her not having the pendant at the telepod incident.
Now there are two copies of the pendant: Marle's and Schala's. Schala sends hers along with Kid to protect her by rewinding time when she's in danger. It's curious that the pendant has apparently been recharged, since the last we heard, teleporting Crono's party used up the last of its power. But it's unclear how long Schala had been in the Darkness Beyond Time at this point; perhaps it soaked up some energy from the defeated Lavos.
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Whoa, realization...
If Schala didn't make it, and Guardia's royal line doesn't exactly have time traveler immunity, then Marle wasn't a direct descendant of hers after all. Or, there had to be like, a kid or a nephew or cousin or whatever, something... whom we never learned of.
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ThatGuy.
It's mentioned (implied) in the endings that Marle was a descendant of Ayla and Kino.
I've always felt that Zeal was formed from the survivors of the northern village (hence the blue hair), who discovered magic, while Ayla's village to the south remained on the ground.
Which would also mean that Ayla and Schala are most likely not related to each other.
I don't remember what part of the game it was in, but there was a location, I think in Zeal, where someone mentions how the kingdom was founded.
skylark.
I was avoiding Radical Dreamers, as Chrono Cross pretty much cancels it out as possible history.
Though if I recall, I'm pretty sure there was a book at some point in Chrono Cross which quoted from Radical Dreamers, using the original names, so since Cross is about dimensional travel, I guess that it's possible both worlds could exist at the same time, while having completely different attributes.
Multiple pendents is a total possibility, she might have even been able to make a copy of her own pendent in a similar way to how she copied herself.
Razig.
Having Schala remain in her timeline, before Crono's party altered history, is very interesting, but I don't think that's the case.
We know that Schala entered the Darkness Beyond Time at some point after the Ocean Palace incident, at least after Crono's party got involved. If she originally managed to escape that fate, and live a peaceful life, where her descendants would become the Guardian royal family, then Marle wouldn't have been the only person to have disappeared, as the entire country would be different.
I also doubt that anyone would have been able to recover the pendent from the Ocean Palace, the possibility that there was another pendent seems more likely.
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I was just realizing that too... And I think I used to know that a long time ago... All (most?) of humanity is descended from Ayla's tribe? So maybe Marle just kind of rounded up.
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Okay, hold on a second.
Everyone seems to agree that before Crono's party, Schala survived the Ocean Palace incident. But did she? Did it just so happen that she had just enough energy to teleport three people, but no more?
Or is it that she could only teleport *other* people? So, she saved the Queen (mom), but still didn't make it herself.
I'll admit I like this theory because it allows Schala to merge with Lavos in both timelines, which allows me to theorize that *she* is the entity that Robo talks about who set everything in motion.
Which is such an awesome theory since in it she used her pendant to set things right when she was able to do so, i.e. when Marle got near the telepod.
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Schala was a centerpiece of the story as much as Janus was. As you go through paying attention to the main characters, Both her and Janus play secondary and background roles as the entire story pivots around them and their dual magical abilities as brother and sister more than it pivots even around Lavos and time travel. His amulet that is presumed to hold the power that commands Glenn's shape and schala's Pendant, both are magically imbued, possibly sentient consciousnesses of their own and their marking and bearing on the Guardia royal lineage also come into play as schala's own line of descent (my guess is that she had more than 'enlightened' reasons for consorting with the Earthbound which has greater powers than the Kingdom of Zeal wanted to believe as they were forced to believe that their powers were the greatest but could not fully subjugate or destroy them) as well as Kid being supposed to be Nadia and Chrono's time-displaced child and the reincarnation of Schala,a potent double combo for any great entity. Thus, her pendant follows around those tied to great events and her own line.
As for Janus, being caught up in the flow of time and seeking his sister, perhaps the focus could be taken to his just knowing they had to come together to perform a centerpiece to magic greater than the game itself could tell of in its execution as our childhood entertainment.
Many surmised a sick fetish or attachment to a grown entity; a man, no matter how mystic his appearance. And, Schala's attachment to Lavos perhaps shows an understanding and compassion to a being beyond all others involved in the entire story, evidenced by what Janus learned of it upon growing and 'summoning' it to him.
As Schala traveled with Lavos in one form or another through time and space, she would have had to forgo her physical shape, thus granting her entrance even into the alternate realities of Chrono Cross that splintered from the death of Lavos in Chrono Trigger. The fact that this matches up with theoretical damages done by Ultimecia in Final Fantasy 8, and other stories we have across our mass media cultural platform, does coincide in the damages nature causes to entire realities and time lines not strong enough to solidify in the aftermath and adds credibility to the idea that Schala did indeed travel close to Lavos and performed a role close to Aeriths in Kingdom Hearts. A kind of mysterious spirit coming and going to keep the protagonists on the right track.
And, true to this, even Squall and Rinoa become masters of time rifts and time and alternate reality magic just in finding each other in the aftermath of Ultimecia's defeat as her spirit 'theoretically' latched onto Ellone's, my theory of who Seifer winds up with to fulfill his romantic dream of having a sorceress to protect and being just a stepping stone for Rinoa to reach Squall. Which, does come back into play along Janus and Schala as being brother and sister and not having life times to be able to give to another in full for being called to greater, with all strength given to Chrono and Nadia, two intertwining branches of the line of Zeal in long-term seeming-incest form, much like Link and Zelda from the Legend of Zelda.
And, the fact that this can all be tied in together through alternate reality and time travel theory, even having the Golden Land of the Legend of Zelda be attributed to a past or side version of their own ongoing reality, negates much of the arguments that say that these are far too different concepts to really tie together. Except you see the fights Chrono and Nadia go through to be together, that Schala and Janus go through as Brother and Sister, that Kidd and Serge go through like Illusion of Gaia with Will and Kara, Seifer's to find Ellone and her to have a lover worth her time, for Squall and Rinoa to finally have a moment together.
The ongoing fight for love that crosses even into final fantasy x and x-2 with Yuna and Tidus and Lenne and Shuyin. And what of that story but another story of time travel and realities, of reincarnations and spirits dreaming?
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Razig.
Having Schala remain in her timeline, before Crono's party altered history, is very interesting, but I don't think that's the case.
We know that Schala entered the Darkness Beyond Time at some point after the Ocean Palace incident, at least after Crono's party got involved. If she originally managed to escape that fate, and live a peaceful life, where her descendants would become the Guardian royal family, then Marle wouldn't have been the only person to have disappeared, as the entire country would be different.
I also doubt that anyone would have been able to recover the pendent from the Ocean Palace, the possibility that there was another pendent seems more likely.
I didn't mean to imply that Schala's survival in the original timline meant the Guardia line was descended from her, just that her survival would allow for the pendant to be handed down through the ages as an antique.
As you say, it strains believability for the pendant to ever be found if it was buried under tons of rubble at the bottom of the ocean. It seems to me that the "Schala survived and passed the pendant on" theory is the simplest explanation, because no mention is made of there being another one, and the game makes a pretty big deal out of how special it is. I think it's very likely that it was unique, given the rarity of Dreamstone and the fact that Schala was the only person who could control the Mammon Machine.
But back to the point of the Guardia line, there's no indication in the game that they were descended from Zeal's royal family.
I don't remember what part of the game it was in, but there was a location, I think in Zeal, where someone mentions how the kingdom was founded.
The Queen must have borne pain and
sorrow in silence.
No pain, no gain...
Zeal, too, was born out of much
sacrifice and work.
This is the only quote I could find that directly mentioned the founding of Zeal, and it's not much to go on. Besides that, a person in Algetty says, "Long ago, the Enlightened Ones and the Earthbound Ones lived as one." It's possible that this schism had something to do with Zeal's founding, or it may have happened long before or after that. We can't be sure (and the DS translation doesn't add any more details.)
Other mentions of Zeal's past are about more recent events: the king dying and the queen nurturing magic; the Mammon Machine corrupting the queen; the Sun Stone being replaced by Lavos energy, and so on.
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I didn't mean to imply that Schala's survival in the original timline meant the Guardia line was descended from her, just that her survival would allow for the pendant to be handed down through the ages as an antique.
Oh, crap, that throws a wrench in what I'm trying to do... Dammit...
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You know, it just occurred to me: if Schala did, indeed, originally survive the Ocean Palace incident... that means Magus's attempts to save her actually caused her demise. Whoops!
(But then, it kind of makes her sacrifice what saves the world, so...)
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Another simple-something for Schala not surviving the Ocean Palace in the Lavos timeline. But, you object, her pendant did!
Well how about this: Schala flips out after the Gurus and Janus disappear, tries to teleport everyone to safety. Mad Queen Zeal says no. They fight, Queen rips the pendant right off Schala, Schala then uses her magic and teleports her (and maybe someone/everyone else, whatever) to safety, and still succumbs.
Or for that matter, there wasn't enough power left in the thing to teleport herself and whoever else was there... so she chose to stay behind. That's a simple (kind of boring and cliche) explanation, too.
It could have gone down like that.
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Razig
Ah sorry, I misunderstood what you meant. ^_^;
Well I guess she could have lived out her life, and then either teleported to the Darkness Beyond Time later, where her age would have been regressed, another possibility is that she died and became pure magic and that Kid was more of a reincarnation where the Schala that the party in Cross saves is her spiritual essence.
But I still doubt that, in the DS version of the game, the party can encounter Schala at the Darkness Beyond Time, and her physical appearance is identical to how she looked while living in Zeal, even her hair and clothing are the same, so it gives me the impression that not a lot of time went by since the incident before her arrival there.
Of course, there is also the possibility of timelines being altered do to the party's actions.
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But back to the point of the Guardia line, there's no indication in the game that they were descended from Zeal's royal family.
They show the lineage of Nadia/Marle to her ancestor in time travel form to teach a bit of time travel theory and that, along with the Pendant tie into Schala and Zeal and given natures' tendency for coincidence, read co-in-cidence, not how you normally hear it, as well as the fact that storyline elements play out even in reality, in our own lives and you have enough credible actual, logical deductions to at least get a foot in the doubt of plausible theory and thus provides more proof of the theory that it is connected than there is otherwise.
I can even list a bunch of other sources to tie into the 'seeming-incest' form comment I dropped, and those sources do come from other parts of our cultural platform, from books to movies and not directly related to Chrono Trigger and the Chronoverse by anything other than their connection to our own reality and the evidence there of other things spirits take and finding a common element in how those stories tie together to look at Chrono and Nadia as distant relatives down a long-lived family tree and how that is coincidal by similarity to Link and Zelda, Will and Kara in Illusion of Gaia, Kidd and Serge in Chrono Cross; repeating patterns that even in reincarnation, the bible has proven reincarnation to multiple forms and translations by the hands of others in the mix to provide in gluing-feathers-to-our-arms-and-jumping-off-cliffs to creating airplanes style of finding a way to get shit done from magic to technology to time travel and alternate reality to Saga Frontier and other frontiers of theology to attribute even time and space to forms of magic, shown even through Janus' 'shadow' attacks, to bring it back in five degrees of existence format to the original topic.
And, to go even further, 'the black wind that howls', is very reminiscent of anti-matter/dark matter, spirits of the dead, even science has proven to have witnessed a wind that travels through space and passes through matter as if it weren't even there, to tie 'spirit' matter into matter of another form, as strong and as real as matter and thus matter itself, possessing different qualities, which proves earlier in this post the theory of this fueling our magic and technology, referencing Final Fantasy 7 and Shinra Technology, so on and so forth. And the fact that this all rolls into even psychological analyses of character and storyline elements only gives added effect to the possibility of it at the very least if not the proof for us lacking the actual 'had-to-be-there' effect and had to rely on 'logical deduction' for how faulty that can be at times.
And then, comparing the legends and perhaps sharing a perception or two, like Eminem's 'go inside each others minds, just to see what it'd be like to, walk a mile in each others shoes.'
And, this is what is known as roundabout logic to find evidence in seeming abstract concept to give credibility to a concept much in the way sages learn to predict the future, a class added to remade Final Fantasy 5 as a new 'Job', and that concept helped me define what I've just shown you. That is my masterpiece, my symphony orchestrated perfected over a decades worth of fights fought in the mind and spirit on the internet and in the past 3 and a half years as the eternal warrior, giving me insight into the minds of entities like Chrono, Goku, even vegeta, Piccolo, and Magus/Janus. I understand the dark minds perfectly in ways that others here years ago could not, giving my attempted story 'Magus Rising' a much more realistic tone than their 'masterpiece' Crimson Echoes, which could not capture the essence of the actual characters, the one major gripe I have with a lot of things, like them slandering Faramir's character in the movie versions of the Lord of the Rings, making him try to steal the ring instead of what he actually did in the books by letting Frodo go free.
It's unintentional and artistic license, and I think an indication of the paths of life where the artists were coming from, for being pretty good with the mechanics of everything else they were using, from it lacking quality for them not having had enough life experience to have grown enough to be able to bring about a better quality project. For what it was, it was still good, but showed them lacking the pain and lessons in life that years have probably given them since then.
And that, I know to be true through narcissistic-like self-analysis of my own path in life. I have even griped about them deleting my thread in 'The Springtime of Youth' for erasing a path to the infinite. Good-naturedly, of course, because it was after the fact and human nature to just get rid of things they have trouble facing, we've all done that. But, that's an old issue from years ago already, but even knowing the history of a forum like this ties into being able to know the rate and growth of any community or; on a larger scale; reality.
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Yeah when Magus explains what happened at the ocean palace in the original timeline to the party when they confront Magus, it clearly showed Schala not being present, however the Gurus and Janus were present. This could mean that there is more than one Schala out there since the original Magus still existed after Chrono and co changed the timeline.
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Schala was there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA9_P8k950g
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I stand Corrected, but still she would have had her pendant and its remaining energy in the original timeline and not have had to use the pendants energy to warp away Crono and co.
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Sorry for reviving this thread, I know I haven't posted in here for awhile, but I just saw something in a video that might relate to this theory, so I wanted to mention it.
Chrono Trigger used placeholder sprite graphics hidden on the maps for various scenes, some of which didn't make it into the final game, but are still hiding behind graphics in said rooms.
In the scene where Schala uses the pendent to open the door, if you remove some of the game's layer graphics you'll find Queen Leene's sprite along with an attended standing behind the door.
I thought this was interesting, as it potentially links the two characters together in the original game.
https://youtu.be/2Ja3TdujlDg?t=12m44s
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assuming this theory was correct (which I personally doubt for many reasons, but it is still very interesting to me), this could put an extremely heartwarming spin on an otherwise hilarious party member oversight:
"I ask for the sake of Magus. Please carry out their request."
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Interesting, I looked up the scene in a play through, but it seems that she says Marle there instead of Magus.
https://youtu.be/SkBiJmNsahk?t=29m18s
Since that's at a point in the game where anyone can be the party leader, it could vary depending on whose leading the party at the time, but I'm not sure.
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LEENE: I ask for the sake of {PC1}.{line break}
Please carry out their request.{null}
It's whoever's in the lead at the moment.
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...yes. That's what I mean by "party member oversight" (or was that not clear enough?)
You can put Magus in the lead and not only will nobody in the castle care, but Leene will mention him by name (in the original script, not in the steam version it seems) and ask that his request be carried out. It's meant to just be a hilarious developer's oversight from the late decision to make him playable, but this theory, loose as it is, would make this rather sweet.
From the steam version:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/317029265935958016/484184953668501514/20180828211037_1.jpg)
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Oh, it was changed? Well, that avoids the weird situation of mentioning Magus by name.
On the other hand... "little enough"? Pft, I can already imagine the soldiers while lifting/carrying the shell:
"Little enough!?"
:lol:
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Captain B, hahah, yeah sorry if I missed that, I had just finished pulling an all nighter on a drawing when I wrote my response, so I was a bit out of it at the time. :D