Chrono Compendium
Enhasa Halls - Chrono Series Analysis => Characters, Plot, and Themes => Topic started by: Luminaire on August 03, 2005, 10:42:15 pm
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Trust me, I know this is so far fetched it isnt funny, but is it at all possible that crono DREAMED everything that happened in ct? I thought about it because the game starts with him waking up and ends that way as well. What if he never actually woke up, and it was all a dream?
See the quote in my signature, from Doreen in Zeal.
"Am I a butterfly dreaming I’m a man? Or a bowling ball dreaming I’m a
plate of sashimi? Never assume what you see or feel is real."
What was the purpose of Doreen saying this? Perhaps Zeal was a part of Crono's dream that was speaking to him through his dream.. Zeal was supposed to be the place of the enligtened ones, was Doreen trying to enlighten Crono about something? Who is Doreen? I don't know, I'm sort of confused with it all, and I know it sounds kind of stupid. Open for discussion, I'd like some feedback on it.
Btw, if this has already been discussed, well I just joined. Great site though.
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It's an interesting theory, I personally wouldn't buy it, but it theoretically possible. However, it wouldn't change anything about the game really. We'd still argue about how the Masamune became evil, what this person said and what it affected. So basically, even if it is a dream, all of us are basically interested about what's hapenning inside of the dream.
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Well under that theory then nothing from Cross would happen, unless it is part of Crono's dream too? Its a fun idea, but since he is woken up by the guard about the trial which would have happened in the dream it is not possible.
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Interesting...
Starting from that the story is a dream, its possible that we can extract some knowledge about Crono mind.
Any Freud os Jung disciple here to do this?
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Well under that theory then nothing from Cross would happen, unless it is part of Crono's dream too? Its a fun idea, but since he is woken up by the guard about the trial which would have happened in the dream it is not possible.
I know, I was thinking that. But maybe he's only dreaming of the guard waking him up as well? lol, its really farfetched. But can anyone answer what Doreens purpose is? Oh and Ive never beat chrono cross, got about 10 hours into and lost interest.
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If its a dream, whats the point of arguing anything about it? Dreams don't have to be rational.
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So it's a dream that lasts days...and in which he wakes up multiple times...? And...has at least one dream in?
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It's not a dream, for the sole purpose a human mind can't think of so many ideas and personalities at once. Well, it could, actually, but unless Crono's an up and coming writer I doubt he could.
And Doreen says her quote because she embodies dreams. Mastermune is Grand Dream. Even her name means dreams.
I'm happy you like to connect bits who are seemingly unconnected, it could really help sometimes, but like you said yourself, it's too far-fetched. If it's anyone's dream, it's the entity's. "The Fated Hour" or "The Final Battle" are in fact called: "The end of our planet's dream" in the Japanese version, and then there's: "For all the dreamers! Our planet's dream is not over yet..."
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Mastermune is Grand Dream
Wat does dat mean?
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mastermune is a mistake in translation, its suposed to be called grand dream.
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Hmm, no, it's not a mistake in translation for the sole reason it wasn't even a translation. Mastermune means Grand Dream in Japanese. They just took the words as they're spoken in Japaense to give a cool weapon a cool name...
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fair enough,
they just didnt translate it.
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Plus I tink they just wanted to emphasize that you're holding the same sword that Frog had, if they translated it to Grand Dream casual players might not have picked up on it.
Kind of like Slash, Flea and Ozzie. Obviously not the "correct" translation of their Japanese names (I'm STRONGLY assuming they're not called that in the jap version, correct me if I'm wrong.)
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the reason they call the sword mastermune is because in trigger and before its the mastermune its called the masamune because it soudns cooler than calling it grand, erm grand wind is it? i forgot what the other one means, but if they decided to translate on chross but not on trigger that would just be stupid, and they didnt. i think this is what mune and doreen stand for, correct me if im wrong and can someone post the meaning of the other one
mune - grand
doreen - dream
the mastermune is doreen and mune therefore it is grand dream, the masamune is masa and mune and is grand ---- (wind i think).
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The Mastermune is Doreen, Masa and Mune. Which would lead me to think the Mastermune is stronger then the Masamune.
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i was merely talking about names.
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geeez sorry lol.. I was just thinking about something thats all. I didnt say it was true.
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sorry? why? we read your view, and expressed views on your view, and came to an agreement it was incorect, then went totally off topic, thats what this forum is about is it not?
i expect everyone here who has offended you in any way is deeply sorry and did not mean to.
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Actually, you got it wrong, Masa is Grand...Thusly we didn't get the correct name Grandleon (Grandlion? I always get leon and lion confused...damn you FF8!!!)...Well anyways, Mune would be either Leon or Lion :?
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It's Lion, I believe.
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bleh, i never remember mase and munes names, just doreen's seeing as hers is nice and easy.
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It's Masa, not Mase :P
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that was merely me hitting the wrong key :roll: , typo.
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Uh guys...
It's rather obvious that Crono was on a LSD trip.
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LSD trip?
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To the main topic, no. It's not possible for Crono to be dreaming. One, It's too long to be a dream. Two, Crono is woken up by a guard and told his execution was cancelled (which was in the dream. WTF?) and of course, there's the whole Epoch to dismantle, Crono's mom being sucked through time, and all those biznatches from the dream dancing at the fair. W.T.F?
Not to mention that Crono is dead for a good portion of the game, and all the personalities and events are simply too complicated for a sedated (basically) barely conscious mind to understand and create.
Not to mention that whollllle game of Chrono Cross. Wow. Doreen says her quote because, being a Dream of Melchior's, she was probably recently created and pondering her own existence. Masamune means Grandleon, and Mastermune means....Masterleon >_>;;
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It's not possible for Crono to be dreaming. One, It's too long to be a dream.
Hey, if an entire season of Dallas can be a dream, why not?
:D
Seriously though, no point to this. ANYTHING can be a dream, with no evidence to the contrary possible, as ANYTHING'S possible until they wake up "for real", as even sleeping is possible inside dreams. But c'mon, it's a game, and we must accept SOME starting point. Until the point comes that somebody explicitly says that crono is waking up, and it's a dream, just work on the idea it's NOT.
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That would really suck if it ended as "just a dream"
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Especially since the final arc in Chrono Cross is "Our Dream Isn't Over" Which means that Crono's dream expands to Serge's adventures and onward. And....stuff. Anyway, dreams in Chrono Land seem a tad symbolic. OMG! Black Omen isn't real, everyone in ALL TIME is dreaming >_> Yea.
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Especially since the final arc in Chrono Cross is "Our Dream Isn't Over" Which means that Crono's dream expands to Serge's adventures and onward. And....stuff. Anyway, dreams in Chrono Land seem a tad symbolic. OMG! Black Omen isn't real, everyone in ALL TIME is dreaming >_> Yea.
Uh...see my sig. But it relates to the Japanese name for the last chapter of Chrono Trigger, which was along the lines of "The end of the planet's dream", thus hammering home the point of the planet being the Entity.
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Everything being a dream would probably ruin the entire series for me. It'd be a gigantic cop out, and completly ruin anything the series had going for it.