Chrono Compendium
Enhasa Halls - Chrono Series Analysis => Other Topics and the Prerelease => Topic started by: Oswego del Fuego on July 24, 2005, 04:06:46 pm
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A nice, clear picture of the Chrono planet appears for about two seconds when Schala (finally) stops talking at the end of Cross. Does anyone have a good screen grab of that? I was wondering if we could match the shapes of the landmasses shown to the familiar configuration of the Zenan mainland.
OdF
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You could do that with the planet at the end of the Chrono Trigger game too.
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You could do that with the planet at the end of the Chrono Trigger game too.
I, for one, would like to make a comparison between the CT ending planet and the CC ending planet. Maybe we could detect El-Nido... Or is not the only difference?
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The planet shot from Trigger is just a very crude attempt at taking the 1000 AD world map and wrapping it around a sphere. Pretty poorly done (I even thought so way back in 1995), and you won't learn a darn thing by looking at it.
The Cross planet shot looks a lot more detailed and realistic, and it doesn't appear to be merely a real-life shot of Earth from space (like the planet image that appears when you do MeteorShower, which clearly shows Africa and the Indian Ocean--lame). But, it just isn't up long enough to really study it. Someone with the capability to make screen grabs should really do so.
OdF
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I am about to start CC on emulator... if you can wait till i reach the ending :D thankfully, CC is not a game where you need to level up ^_^
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Sweet. Hope you get a good result (and enjoy the game :D ).
OdF
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thanks oswego! Hey, i remember you from the old times lol :D
Your avatar intrigues me... is there any attempt to make CC into 2D? :lol:
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I think that's probably from a "Trying to make RD in CT graphics" rather than a "Trying to make CC in CT graphics".
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I think that's probably from a "Trying to make RD in CT graphics" rather than a "Trying to make CC in CT graphics".
im trying to make two CC chars in CT graphics for my fangame ill post em if you want to see
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The Kid image was basically made for my own amusement. There's a Harle one, too. I'll post it later.
OdF
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The Kid image was basically made for my own amusement. There's a Harle one, too. I'll post it later.
OdF
I always get the feeling you used Kino as the base for this Kid Sprite...
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Actually, I used Ayla's "put up yer dukes" pose.
Here's the complete Kid one:
(http://www.angelfire.com/moon/dandymasher/images/kid.PNG)
Here's the Harle one:
(http://www.angelfire.com/moon/dandymasher/images/harle.PNG)
I'd love to use such sprites in a Chrono hack, but it's not something I'm really considering right now. I'm developing my own independent game project at the moment, and it's not yet clear if Temporal Flux will ever be able to do everything one might want it to (create single techs, have more than seven characters, etc.).
OdF
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There is a project to do RD in CT. The people who translated RD started the project shortly after. But i think its dead now. At least i didnt notice any updates for a long time. I forgot the link should be easily enough to find.
heres a site that experiments with CT sprites (mostly ff6 sprites though)
But hey it'll kill 5 minutes http://www.eternal-legend.com/cosplay/
Who dosent wanna see crono made up to be cloud? or my faviote Ayla as General Beatrix (she gots "hoopla" in spades)
AS for the world shot. I wouldent be surprised if its a generic shot of earth. IT was after all as you people have mentioned showed very briefly. AND the CC team really did a halfassed job and didnt go the extra mile to connect the games more than they had too.
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I will NEVER understand it. CC is a sequel (is it says on the back of the box) yet it isnt really connected.
As for the world shot, im with Eggith.
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IT says its a sequel on the back but that just square's marketing engine for you. ITs a gaiden (or side story) nothing more.
I just started playing CC (the first time ive come near it since i played it the first time some 5-6 years ago) and at the begining you have meteor storm spell. The shot of the planet was shown quickly but it looked like a generic shot of earth to me.
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IT says its a sequel on the back but that just square's marketing engine for you. ITs a gaiden (or side story) nothing more.
I just started playing CC (the first time ive come near it since i played it the first time some 5-6 years ago) and at the begining you have meteor storm spell. The shot of the planet was shown quickly but it looked like a generic shot of earth to me.
Yeah, it is a generic shot of earth... Still, since we never see anything outside El-Nido in CC, we don't know how Zenan, Medina and Choras are shaped in CC graphics. A pity, really.
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Yes, we all know about the MeteorShower element graphics already. What you seem to forget is that the planet graphic shown at the end isn't a photograph. It's a hand-drawn graphic. For this reason, I really think that it isn't just a shot of Earth, but something more interesting. That's why I was hoping someone would cap it.
OdF
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Considering what Legend says, it may very well be the Chrono World because we dont know what it looks like.
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We DO know what it looks like... That's the idea... He wants to see if we can look at the landforms on the one in CC and match it up to see Zenan and Medina and Choras continents... If we can match it to that detail level, we MAY be able to detect the location of El Nido Archepelago.
Screenshot, anyone?
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El Nido is somwhere in the sea between Guardia and Choras. Legend may have a screen.
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*whaps Chander upside the head with an oar*
Between Guardia and Choras, huh? That tells me about as much as "between Italy and Australia." =P
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So I had a save state at the TD all along. :o Anyway, here it is, by popular demand:
The earth according to Chrono Cross (http://www.tc.umn.edu/~alle0438/chrono/images/CCEarth.JPG)
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(http://www.tc.umn.edu/~alle0438/chrono/images/CCEarth.JPG)
(http://www.classicgaming.com/vgwallpaper/wallpapers/chronotriggermap.gif)
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Hmm... Definitely not our earth! So that's a good sign so far...
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GOT IT! I'm holding up my PSP (with CT loaded, on the 1000 AD zoomed-out world map) next to the monitor, and I can see a match. (I've got it rotated... The top-left corner of the PSP is pointed straight down, so I'm holding it diagonally.)
That continent in the center is Choras. The island in the bottom-left is the Sun Keep. Bottom-center is Medina, bottom-right is Zenan. Guardia is completely off the map, unless they wrapped it around to the top-left, which is what it looks like they did. Just up and right of the planet's center is a small island that I can't account for, although it does look like a string of islands. This is most likely El Nido. Finally, on the top right is a larger landmass, not quite a continent but too big to be an island or part of El Nido...I can't account for that either.
However, the ones I DID account for...the landshapes match. If I'm correct (and I'll show you a picture of how I'm seeing this later tonight when I get off work), then El Nido is off the southern tip of Choras. Absolutely the most remote area in the world. For Porre to have strong militaristic influence here pretty much seals it that they've conquered the world.
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I cant really make it out. But I was told it was between the seas that was east of Choras and west of Guardia. i.e. the edge of the world map in CT, it was in the middle there.
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Instead of posting a rotated world map like I was going to (which is hard to grasp), I just decided to rotate the pic of the CC earth. Two versions: with and without my little arrows pointing stuff out.
(http://www.jullinar.com/chronotrigger/cc-earth.jpg)
(http://www.jullinar.com/chronotrigger/cc-earth2.jpg)
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I see now, that Jake-A-Roonie! Jake Point plz? :lol:
I havent a clue what the very bottem isle is though.
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Perhaps the Giant's Claw has risen again?
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something for Chrono Break? I still have high hopes it will happen.
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I see now, that Jake-A-Roonie! Jake Point plz? :lol:
You get a Jake Point for crackin' me up. :lol:
(http://www.jullinar.com/chronotrigger/schala.gif)
Don't spend it all in one place! =P
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Yay, thnx.
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Luminaire85, Capo and Jake-a-Roonie, you all have been deemed worthy of the highest prize that i am allowed to award. The Timeless Honest and Effortful Order of the Holy Chickenphant!
Jolly yourselves and revel in your glory!
(http://blogs.ya.com/gazzbcn/files/gallifante.jpg)
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Ain't it the truth! Oh, um...I mean... 8)
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I'm a little disappointed. After studying this map quite a bit, I'm convinced that it was never intended to match the 1,000 AD world. Even if one bit here and there match up all right, the placement of the continents is off. Like, if the central landmass is Choras, and the next one is Medina, then Porre should not lay at the angle it does, nor should Guardia. That sort of thing.
Personally, I'm taking this image to be a throw-away that wasn't meant to show anything specific/canonical. It is only on the screen for half a second, after all. But at least they didn't use a bloody photograph of Earth this time!
The other alternative is one I suggested long ago- that Zenan is only one region of a much larger world, and thus might not be discernable on this map. I've since dumped that idea myself, though.
As for El Nido's location re: Zenan, Cross makes it plain that Porre is the "power of the east" and Zenan contains the "northern countries" relative to El Nido. There's wiggle room there, but it suggests to me that El Nido is in the far southern sea between Porre and Choras--a very remote region indeed.
To illustrate, here's an image I posted a long, long time ago:
(http://www.angelfire.com/moon/dandymasher/images/world.PNG)
Anyway, kudos to Jake-A-Roonie for capturing the image! Thank you!
OdF
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Umm, I didn't capture it. I just modified the one already captured to illustrate how I saw it. :)
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If you wanted a World Map with El-Nido, there was always this:
(http://home.earthlink.net/~letrimh/elnido.jpg)
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well, have in account that in CT, the wold map is topologically toroidical, while any realistic planet should be spherical, as seen in the ending of CC... so some continent relocation should be expected.
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IMHO, there's too much discrepancies between Jake-A-Roonie's proposed map and what CC states. Porre is supposed to be northeast of El Nido, not totally west of it. El Nido can't be that close to Choras or else Chorasian people would have discovered it way before than Porre in 900 AD, moreover Choras isn't even mentioned once in all CC. There would be no point in having called Mojo's homeland 'Far East' either since the far east would actually be Zenan on this picture.
I'm trying to make something out of the interesting screenshot, but somehow it just seems like El Nido's map put on a sphere to me : the main island is in the center, complete with its forests and mountain ranges and even with Radius' island at the northeast, and the others islands around etc. (it even seems, for example, that the Isle of the Damned is undamned and the Sea of Eden is empty, as they would be in the merged time-line).
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...Now THAT would SUCK if that's what they did. >_<
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Yeah, I'm looking at the shot from every side but all I can make out is El Nido :/
I remember there's yet another planet map during the ending scene in CT, when the party fly in the Epoch above some Mode7-generated map. That map was pretty weird if I recall correctly, there's were small houses and fragmented lakes and woods all around the lands... Those stuff might have been randomly generated (the Epoch flies for quite a long time but apparently never twice above the same place), if it's not random maybe we can try to make something out of it, althought it might be hard to extract a Mode7 image from the game.
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Ask Chickenlump, or Geiger or Zeality to help you out :D
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Good, good. We have reconciled the world of Chrono Cross with Chrono Trigger. Now, we just have to account for these "other nations."
I should check out that mode7 stuff, but someone might beat me to it.
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If someone makes a save state in that "mode 7 bit", I have a little program here that should be able to rip the mode 7 texture directly from the savestate.
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If someone's still interested in the topic (or remembers it to begin with), here's what I meant by the El Nido archipelago put on a sphere. The general setup is very, very similar, and some of the unnamed islands or emerging rocks in El Nido even appear on this globe. There are some notable differences though, like the shape of what should be the Water Dragon Isle, or the size of what should be the Earth Dragon Isle... so, I wonder if we'll ever find a definite answer to this topic question.
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Well, I guess that sort of makes sense. They did the same with Chrono Trigger, so it might have been easier than drawing a planet. But then again, making a simple planet outline isn't that tough, and there are *some* deviations...I guess we should add this to the Masato Kato questions.
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Finally ripped the mode 7 stuff from the CT Epoch ending. I used some program called vSnes... and the result is nothing spectacular. Two textures are used during the ending. The first one depicts the Zenan continent; it's a little different from how the continent normally appears (Denadoro Mts is more central, Zenan Bridge is shorter, etc.), but there's nothing really significant. The southern part of the continent is not even actually seen ingame, you only see Truce.
The second one is, as expected, just some random texture repeated in mosaic (if you look very carefully during the ending, you can see that the repeated part is actually very small and you can keep spoting the same lake over and over).
I've attached the two pictures as well as two versions with gamma corrections.
Overall, no interesting info can be gathered from this. I therefore officially declare this topic the most disappointing one in the entire forum :(
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