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Zenan Plains - Site Discussion => Polling => Topic started by: ZeaLitY on July 08, 2005, 05:41:46 pm
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In Crimson Echoes, Schala will replace Ayla. What are your thoughts?
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None of the choices showed what I think, but I went with the first one.
Schala is a cool character, she uses Zealian White Magic (Unless you'll make her different in the remake, or unless I'm mistaken?). Ayla, too, adds the story a new feeling: She's a human who wasn't defiled by Lavos' Flame. However, being as she can't use Magic, or weapons, or has that much of a backstory to her, I think she's the most optimal choice of a character that needs to be replaced. Not that ANY character should replace Schala, it's just that Ayla is the one with the least importance, or backstory, for that matter.
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I would rather having the original cast or 9 but since it's a rom hack you probably can't. I always liked Ayla but since her sidequest what removed or jsut never planned she have no backstory, so since one had to be remove I guess she was the more fit, I jsut hope she'll be in the game a way or another (maybe she join and die blah blah blah and then Schala join). Atleash put her in the game has a NPC!
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Yeah, she's in. Pregnant though.
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I'd love Schala to be playable :).
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Will Schala have her pendant though? If both Marle and Schala travel in time, should one of the pendant disappear because of Time Bastard?
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Uh...wtf...Damn, I KNEW I needed to check out what Crimson Echoes was all about...
Sounds awesome enough, I suppose...Would she join after the Ocean Palace incident then? Or...I'm guessing things are wholly new...
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Damn. That is where Time Bastard begins to break down. I suppose...she wouldn't. Wow, that's a tough question.
Schala joins *spoiler after you bail her from the ruined Ocean Palace/Black Omen beneath the sea in 11998 B.C. Of course, there's an intermittent period after where she catches up with Magus.
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Wait, someone explain that second choice: Does it mean that you would rather not have anyone replaced, but if someone was replaced, it should be Ayla?
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Yes. Some people really want the entire CT team, but would concede Schala.
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Okay, I'll go with that one. I'm not really sure what Crimson Echos is about, but this is perking my intrest in it.
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I'll throw out a quick explanation. It's an adventure between CT and CC, but instead of a mundane telling of the events of Keystone T-1 (which are basically, Guardia falls and Chronopolis is built), a whole new enemy is introduced, and tons of plot, items, etc. revolve around material from both games and also some of our own analysis. It's a rom hack, but we hope to plan it so well that we can tightly integrate it.
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It is ok to replace Ayla... but, no one else will be replaced ...i don't know.... well.... i mean .... What 'bout Frog ?! He will continue being a frog ?... I mean... he's Glenn, right ?! Crono , he still have something to do with the story ? Lucca, will be killed by Lynx or things will happen before that ? And Robo ....well, i'm getting to far, but.... what really wanted to know is : Things will happen before the end of game or after ?
I'm really looking forward to this project ....good luck :D
(By the way i'm new here....i hope you guys don't mind ... i don't know... maybe i shouldn't write too much... :? that's all)
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Wow, I was just going to say about Ayla being pregnant, never knew that was going to be in the plot, Zeality..
Well I didn't vote for any of the options, because they don't suit how I felt that Ayla should get cut from the adventure >.<
I was thinking that Ayla should be a playable character, but maybe like after 3 scenarios they realise she's pregnant.... (BTW, is she pregnant with Leah? Or is Leah still her mother XD I was thinking of Leah before I realised you were going to have Ayla pregnant because names could have run by your past mothers XD Ayla => Leah => Ayla => Leah. lol)
The point would probably be if you are acctually goning to time travel back to 64,999,998B.C. If you are, then you'd know that shes pregnant, but I still say after a few scenearios so we still have her. Maybe like 2 scenearios after Schala is retrieved, Ayla leaves and Schala becomes a participant after being a bystander. That way we get Alya for a bit, then Schala.
Maybe like every 2 scenearios after then, you could go back to Ayla and her belly would be bigger and bigger ^_^.
Thats my $0.02
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ya know, I dont care at all! Just get Schala in CE!!!
~LC
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Hmmm...I think that Frog should be changed into Glenn sprites...those kick ass ones from that one ending where you beat it by killing Magus, but before reviving Crono...That'd be awesome...But it'd change his Slurp abilities somewhat, I suppose...But I think it'd be cool to replace Slurp Cut w/Nirvana Strike!
Oh, and really, I think I'd prefer Marle to be replaced...It'd seem like the two of them'd have similar Techs...Or at least maybe similar stats...Or something...Ayla was just her own little powerhouse, it seems like a waste to replace her...Whereas Marle sucked the big one...
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Yeah, Frog will use the Glenn sprites.
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Hum I doN,t like the idea that Frog becomes Glenn since it's based on the Fatc that you killed Lavos or that you buyed the remake and taked the happy ending has a fact. It make me think about animal farm teh book and the movie if you don't know what I eman her's my explanation :
Animal Farm is a great book by the way. It's a story about a farm that get rid or the farmer and lives by themselves (that,s why it's call animal Farm). Then they decide all animals are equals and call that animalism and they make a bunch of rules. The easiest one is "four legs goods, 2 legs bads" for the sheeps but they consider winged has 4 legs I guess.
Animalis eh? well it's very similar to communism, right? Well yes, George Orwel Made it that way, to show why communist went bad. So anyway skip to the end all goes wrong and now all the rules have been put to one : "Four legs good, two legs better" and all the pigs walk on two legs. The life quality is lower than it was un the careless farmer. and it's the end, it's nearly slavery.
Animal farm is a bad movie by the way. now it's nearly the same story but when all goes wrong animals are all "slaves" and everything is really bad for everyone except the pigs well a nice family comes and buy the farm...
That's how I see the Glenn/Frog thing, I would really liek to see Frog has Glenn (or Glenn has hiself) but it doesn't seem right. The projet looks really great but there should be a reason that Glenn is now human and not the PSX ending.
I just hope it won't be based on the PSX ending, oh well if the compendium alreayd thoguh of that my post is useless and I will delete it since I would look stupid :oops:
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Animal farm is a bad movie by the way. now it's nearly the same story but when all goes wrong animals are all "slaves" and everything is really bad for everyone except the pigs well a nice family comes and buy the farm...
Huh? Didn't this happen in the novel too? It's been a long time, but I remember the pigs meeting and dealing with humans or something and the other animals not distinguishing pigs from humans anymore because of their behaviour.
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Animal farm is a bad movie by the way. now it's nearly the same story but when all goes wrong animals are all "slaves" and everything is really bad for everyone except the pigs well a nice family comes and buy the farm...
Huh? Didn't this happen in the novel too?
Yes, it did.
Anyways, I can't say that I hate Ayla, but I didn't like her much. But I am a huge fan of Schala, so, uh...
"Get on with it!"
I voted that you indeed should drop Ayla for Schala. Why? Well, I am a huge fan of Schala... And I didn't use Ayla much, so, uh...
"Get on with it!"
Yeah. I just prefer Schala of Ayla. >_>;;
-Arashi
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Animal farm is a bad movie by the way. now it's nearly the same story but when all goes wrong animals are all "slaves" and everything is really bad for everyone except the pigs well a nice family comes and buy the farm...
Huh? Didn't this happen in the novel too? It's been a long time, but I remember the pigs meeting and dealing with humans or something and the other animals not distinguishing pigs from humans anymore because of their behaviour.
No they dealt with human but pig were in lead of the farm but were accepted by human because they walked on two legs and had whips -_-.
In the book no human possses the farm only pig and it ends bad not "happily ever after"
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Animal farm is a bad movie by the way. now it's nearly the same story but when all goes wrong animals are all "slaves" and everything is really bad for everyone except the pigs well a nice family comes and buy the farm...
Huh? Didn't this happen in the novel too? It's been a long time, but I remember the pigs meeting and dealing with humans or something and the other animals not distinguishing pigs from humans anymore because of their behaviour.
No they dealt with human but pig were in lead of the farm but were accepted by human because they walked on two legs and had whips -_-.
In the book no human possses the farm only pig and it ends bad not "happily ever after"
Yes, but the animals other than the pigs were treated as slaves in the end? And, it's true that no humans posessed the farm at the end of the book, but, at the same time, Mr. Pilkington had come to examine the farm.
But, at any rate, let's get back on topic; the discussion is about whether Schala should replace Ayla as a playable character in CE, not about Animal Farm.
-Arashi
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:? :( :cry: :x
My view is probably very different than most people, considering Ayla is my second favorite charatcer behind Crono. I like how the games are focused around Schala, but you never get to play her. Sure it would be great to have her on a team, but I would see her powers as a cross between Magus and Marle. Basically if Magus had healing powers, is what I see Schala as. Ayla is such a unique character battlewise, it is dissapointing for her to get the boot. Personally I wouldn't trade anyone for Schala, all the charcters are excellent in thier own way none are replaceable in my mind.
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It seems like Schala would have spells more like Magus' Barrier spell. What are those types of spells called? Supplementary? I dunno...
Also, even if you don't agree with the new endings, the fact of the matter is that they are sanctioned by Square, so they're official. Frog tuns to Glenn no matter what. I choose to believe that it's because the gates closed and Magus' spell was cut off from him...and/or Magus cut the spell later for whatever reason...
Another reason to have Frog as a Glenn is because he's awesome looking...We...we are talking about the awesome Glenn sprites and not the lame NPC sprite Glenn...right?
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I assume they are talking about end-of-game Glenn sprites...
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Another reason to have Frog as a Glenn is because he's awesome looking...We...we are talking about the awesome Glenn sprites and not the lame NPC sprite Glenn...right?
Awesome yeah... provided someone draws the running and battle sprites that go with it.
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Animal farm was use to make a parallel on the game.
I like SilentMartyr view on thing I feel the same but I would like some changes and Ayla was only my third favorite.
Also, even if you don't agree with the new endings, the fact of the matter is that they are sanctioned by Square, so they're official.
I see your point and I hate SE for this. I mean why does every game has to have an happy ending, Magus didn't, Robo didn't. I never played the PSX version and I don't think I will since probably one day I'll be able to just download all the FMV scene on compendium.
They can't use the lame one since it was Glenn younger, so they are kind of obligated to make a new set using the "awesome Glenn sprites" or else it's like taking a nobody sprite paint his hair green and you got the new Glenn!
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I will since probably one day I'll be able to just download all the FMV scene on compendium.[/quote]
You already can, they're up on Chronicles.
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What FMVs for download!!!??? Im there! *runs of to Chronicles*
~Darth LC
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What FMVs for download!!!??? Im there! *runs of to Chronicles*
~Darth LC
Go into the site, not the forums.
http://www.rpgplanet.com/chrono/ct_movies.shtml- CT Anime Cutscenes
http://www.rpgplanet.com/chrono/cc_movies.shtml- CC FMV
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I knew those link I've seen them often but ...
File Not Found!
We're sorry, but the page you requested could not be found.
Thta's probably due to their super-hitech-download thing
Why not take something simple has downloading and putting it so hard to achieve that our bandwith will never be used?
If someone has them and would like to share them with me I have MSN : gizmo_007_silver@hotmail.com we can share that way
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I didn't read the entire thread (just the first page), so maybe my concern has been addressed.
I went with the second choice, because from a story perspective, Ayla is the right one to replace with Schala, if replacement is necessary. However, from a gameplay perspective, I think the game would be seriously lacking without Ayla. My favorite team has always been Crono, Marle, Ayla. Crono is well-balanced (really strong physical attacks and techs, ultimate-level magic, a very little bit of healing), Marle can heal damn near anything and adds a fair amount to the magic situation, Ayla is super-strong physically...and the dual techs and triple tech with that party are incredible. Ice Sword 2, Falcon Hit, Cube Toss, Volt Bite, Final Kick...just so much good there. Sure, Ice Sword 1 is obsolete once you get Ice Sword 2, and Twin Charm is limited, and that other dual tech of Crono and Ayla's (was it Drill Kick?) is pretty tame, but even Aura Whirl is not without its uses.
Are there suitable replacements? Probably. But I think some dual and particularly triple techs would have to be overhauled or replaced entirely to accommodate the lack of the game's physical powerhouse. I think Schala might tip the scales into the game being more about casting magic than using physical attacks and physical techs, whereas the original was nice and balanced.
Oh well, it's probably a pretty minor concern, especially if we've got people working on it.
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Depends on our capabilities with techs. We can always boost Schala's physical stats if need be and properly explain it.
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That would be odd... A physical Schala.
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Or Glenn could become the new physical powerhouse. I'm not expert on frogs but from what they look like amphibian forearms don't appear very developed (contrary to the legs). Maybe we could say that Frog's muscular strength was limited by that, and when he reverts to his human form Glenn is finally able to use all his power (but losing some abilities like Slurp Cut and Leap Slash probably).
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Yeah, but if you'll remember, Frog's winning pose showed that he had huge biceps! I think things should be different, yes, but I don't know if he'd necesarrily be stronger...Maybe he'd just have better techs since he wasn't limited to Frog form...
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or maybe u can have a jump tech like Kain in FF4
~Darth LC
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Yeah, but if you'll remember, Frog's winning pose showed that he had huge biceps! I think things should be different, yes, but I don't know if he'd necesarrily be stronger...Maybe he'd just have better techs since he wasn't limited to Frog form...
Oh yeah I forgot about that pose, his biceps remind me of Earthworm Jim now that I think about it...
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Lol, I'd rather think that Frog was what made Glenn look buff because Frog is small and needs more muscles to jump higher, extend the tounge extra long, swim etc.
Glenn would probably be fair build.
As for Schala, She seemed quite powerful in CT. Not like in a buff sort of way, but i'd think she'd have the highest Magic resistance and Defence among the group. She resisted the Mammon Machines full peak of power for a while, Dalton's almost Fatal blast didn't kill her, she fell into the DBT and was still okay mentally, for a while. Am I looking at the best Sorceress inthe whole game? lol
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Or Glenn could become the new physical powerhouse. I'm not expert on frogs but from what they look like amphibian forearms don't appear very developed (contrary to the legs). Maybe we could say that Frog's muscular strength was limited by that, and when he reverts to his human form Glenn is finally able to use all his power (but losing some abilities like Slurp Cut and Leap Slash probably).
Many of Frog tech where from his "frog side of the family"
Slurp Restore ally's HP (Some) 1 MP --> Frog based
Slurp Cut Snag and slash enemy 2 MP --> Frog based
Water Damage enemy w/ Water 2 MP
Heal Restore allies' HP (Some) 2 MP
Leap Slash Leap-slash an enemy 4 MP --> Frog based
Water 2 Damage all enemies w/ Water 8 MP
Cure 2 Restore ally's HP (Full) 5 MP
Frog Squash Low HP = greater damage 15 MP
--> Frog based
Too much doubletriple tech I'll just put numbers
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Glenn has 15 double tech
9 out of 15 are frog based
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Glenn has 6 triple tech
5 out of 6 are frog based
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For the final count...
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Frog has a total of 29.
Out of those 29 technique, 18 are frog based.
62 % of Glenn's tech are from based and when I think of it ALL his tech are frog based only his magic attacks aren't frog based -_-
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There's something funny about Ayla that came to my mind (it worthes nothing though so I won't create a new topic) : the CT characters are all losers except Ayla!
Crono was killed by Lavos, Marle was destroyed by "the grandfather paradox", Robo was destroyed by the Apocalypse, Glenn was defeated by Magus, Magus was defeated by Lavos. Lucca didn't die in CT but did in RD/CC probably killed by Lynx. Ayla is the only CT character who never got defeated in the series :)
(well she did faint after fighting with Nizbel, but that was because of some soup and the festivity the day before^^')
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Well the is the funny ending where you see everyone in reptites that means that Ayla died, because you didn't helped her, but we know that cannot be since Lavos' Ice Age would have killed them (or they hid in the remains and got out when the ice Age finished?)
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Yeah, that's what's odd about the ending. Either way, Lavos would STILL land!
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not if Azala summoned Lavos :roll:
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Hum can't edit...
Well I meant she unsummoned it when she killed Ayla
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Yeah, that's what's odd about the ending. Either way, Lavos would STILL land!
In that alternate ending, the Reptites must have been the ones who came in contact with the Frozen Flame.. In the Dragonian dimension, the Ice Age didn't happen because Lavos didn't fall at all but in this one it did fall and so must have the Flame.
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Hum Reptites DIED because of the Ice Age and the Ice Age appeared BECAUSE Lavos landed so I guess it's not it, just a funny ending, like the one where you see Glenn has Marle Ancestror
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Hum Reptites DIED because of the Ice Age and the Ice Age appeared BECAUSE Lavos landed so I guess it's not it, just a funny ending, like the one where you see Glenn has Marle Ancestror
But Lavos needs advanced species for him to grow, so he could have used the Frozen Flame to change the Reptite cold blood into warm blood (or something) for them to survive...
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I doubt he would change their blood, but he probably grant them with powers so great they could warm themselves up.
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My thought: ANYTHING for playable Schala!
I agree that it's a little weird to see her doing physical attacks... And what would her weapon be anyway?
As for her magic, a lot of people seem to be saying she'd be a healing person, just 'cause she's good, and she's a pretty girl. =P Personally I'd picture her as being a lot like Magus -- and not just because she's his sister. I just picture her as being master of many elements... She's the non-elemental Bahamut, in my opinion...and a magic-attack powerhouse.
That's my 2 cents. :)
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When Schala use her Magic I think she took her pendant in on hand and say some magical word. No physical Weapon even, maybe Ayla could teach her Triple Kick and stuff :P For her Magic I think that she could have (if hacking Roms allow it) have the Lock skill, for enemy (like the blue eyes in the Black Omen) since she can lock a Time Gate, seconds would be to enhance (sp?) Magic like in Chrono Cross... that tech that does that... She can teleport Party Member so she could teleport heavy item much like Azala with the Rock attack
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That'd be interesting... I think maybe the pendant would be her physical attack...even though it really wouldn't be "physical," we've all seen those characters that their standard attack is something magical...like a basic blast of small energy from the pendant. (So she goes into chanting-stance, holding the pendant out, and then a little burst of energy shoots out like Lucca's gun graphic, and hits the enemy.)
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Maybe it's more like she can use the pendant as a physical attack by using a bit of power to send a bolt of energy towards the enemy. But since weapons upgrade in the game, maybe at first she doesn't know where her amulet went, and that she says that Marle's is Marle's keep. Then a mini quest happens to find Schala's true pendant, which in the end of the game, a series of events (like a clip) shows that it was lost again and somehow the first ever Guardia King found it and gave it to his wife, who passed it down xD
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There is no need of upgrade, for example Ayla (which fit perfectly here since Schala will take Ayla's place) she never get better weapon except by leveling. Schala could be the same
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Yeah, but Ayla's fists DO actually change when she levels up (from regular, to copper, to finally, bronze).
I like the idea of Schala having support abilities (like Magus' Protect spell) rather than healing abilities. Wait, did I already say that?
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Yeah, but Ayla's fists DO actually change when she levels up (from regular, to copper, to finally, bronze).
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for example Ayla (which fit perfectly here since Schala will take Ayla's place) she never get better weapon except by leveling.
Exactly what I said, so you could make Schala ability upgrade in herself when she reach certain level (if possible) and not finding awsome new pendant lying in boxes :P
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Alya was probbly the weakest character story wise, and it would not suprise me if Square planed for Schala as a playable instead of Ayla.
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Alya was probbly the weakest character story wise, and it would not suprise me if Square planed for Schala as a playable instead of Ayla.
mabye but she did have some of her stuff taken out in the game due to space restraints e.g her sidequest which was probally singing mountain
besides she does have some good development and other stuff story wise just not as much as other char's
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Not to mention that if you take her out, she gets THAT much less development and becomes an even worse character...Maybe take out Magus? He certainly had his time to shine, and it'd be super easy to have him not join you!
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take out Magus? Are u kidding me?? Magus is every1s fav character (well, most) he still has a background story that can be developed lots. I hardly ever used Ayla in CT, bare fist fighters suck, which is why i never used monks in FF1, and I hated that monk guy in FF4. still add to Ayla often, maybe have her give advice to the party about fighting better! Ape style! Burn babonga burn! *play pre-historic music here*
~Darth LC, dancing in 65 mill BC!! Hey that rhymed!
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But Charm people! CHARM!!!
And, yes, I'm aware that what I said was blasphemy...But he had the most character development in CT, so why make a repeat performance? If only I knew the storyline for this...
Ayla has potential, as seen from her great speech. But she also has some of the most powerful techs, the most powerful critical, and she's involved in a few of the most powerful (single target) triple techs.
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I agree with taking Ayla out... just consider that Ayla has to be awfully busy "populating" the planet with Kino :lol:
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My thought (again): A pregnant character cant be playable. Take Lulu from FFX-2, was she playable...no...enough said.
Rule #153: All pregnant characters cannot be playable, therefore they give the protagonist hints, advice and help populate the RPG world.
~LC
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I say Ayla's so manly she impregnates Kino! :lol:
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MAJOR LOL!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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I always enjoyed Ayla's character - a good member to have in the party, and I really liked the Reptites vs. Humans plotline.
I'd say remove Robo. I've never been a big Robo fan - didn't use him unless I HAD to in CT, and I didn't really care for him as a character. That's just my humble opinion.
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I never used both Robo or Ayla, both suck.
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I'm jsut wondering if people vote : "NO KEEP AYLA!" will they keep her, probably not, lol
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LOL i loved that comment of Ayla impregnating Kino! :D
Yeah, now that i think about it... Robo would be a good choice as well: he is a pacifist, and probably he is busy helping people in the future. I also support that who said that Frog/Glen's stats should be pumped par to Ayla's... just watched the ending again and he is totally beefed up :D
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Boosting Glenn stats seems wierd to me for the gameplay it wouldn't be balanced.
Now i'm wondering how are they gonna explain the fact that the character went from lvl 45 + to 1-5? with lower stats and all...
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Of course, it would make sense that Glen lost most of the magic abilities he had as Frog. Being Frog, he was a magical, cursed, being. Curses can have this effect (like when Athena damned the wise Tiresias, who happened to see her naked: she blinded him, but this also opened his mind eye, allowing him to see the future), and probably magic stats of Frog were boosted up by the curse. Once the curse is lifted, the magic stats would return to normal.
What do you think? ^_^
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If Schala replaces Ayla then she needs some kind of magical stealing spell like Ayla...because she had Charm, unless you replace something of Marle's with Charm or something since they had a double tech together that did the same thing...
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I think Schala is quite charming... that cute shyness :D Unless you give her more the personality of kid, then, that cute aggressivity... yeah, Schala really should have "Charm" :D
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Of course, it would make sense that Glen lost most of the magic abilities he had as Frog. Being Frog, he was a magical, cursed, being. Curses can have this effect (like when Athena damned the wise Tiresias, who happened to see her naked: she blinded him, but this also opened his mind eye, allowing him to see the future), and probably magic stats of Frog were boosted up by the curse. Once the curse is lifted, the magic stats would return to normal.
What do you think? ^_^
Really... in the version I read, it was Hera who blinded him for ruling on Zeus' side, and the Olympian in recompense gave him long life and the ability to foresee the future.