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Enhasa Halls - Chrono Series Analysis => Characters, Plot, and Themes => Topic started by: Swordmaster on June 17, 2005, 12:05:15 am
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[Young Woman]
Visitors, do you like plants?
Yes.
No.
I see...
You're like the Queen.
Oh, you're just like me!
But the Queen ordered me to burn this
sapling I received from the Guru of
Life.
He said it was a magical sapling, with
powers to cure the environment.
What shall I do?
Burn it.
Secretly plant it.
You're right...
I must obey the Queen's command.
You're right! Even if it IS the Queen's
command, the Guru of Life gave it to
me.
I can't burn it...
I'm going to grow it with love.
Someday it may save the environment.
If I'm reborn, I hope it'll be in a land
full of green forests.
[Woman:after Zeal destruction]
The Guru of Time gave me this sapling,
but is there any place for it in this
desolate new world?
What shall I do?
Burn it, it's just trash.
Plant it, with hope.
You're right, it has no place here...
All right, I'll take good care of it.
Who knows? Maybe someday it will
save our environment.
This mysterious sapling...
Maybe someday it will help change our
environment?!
The second quote is strange because the guru of time is missing or out of scene in Crono timeline.
Is it possible that Gaspar time traveled just to give the sapling to this woman a make it survive the destruction of Zeal?
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Well, Gaspar was simply exiled (probably), not out of time before the ocean palace disaster. He could have given her the sapling.
Either that, or its a typo.
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He was exiled, how isn't known.
[Young Woman]
They say that Gaspar, the Guru of
Time, continues his work on some
deserted island.
He's making a «Chrono Trigger» or
«Time Egg,» or something.
But no one has seen him for ages.
Hmm, it would make more sense for Melchior to have made the plant, but maybe it was a collaboration effort by the two? It would seem ridiculous for a plant to last thousands of years, maybe Gaspar made it able to last so long and Melchior gave it the life bearing abilities.
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It strange but the Fiona quest is something planed by Gaspar and the gurus. They have done lots of things just to recover the sapling from the destruction and pass the sapling until Fiona hands.
It is said that the sapling can recover the environment, but the 600 AD and 1000 AD dont seems poluted.
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war=destruction
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I think the best place is 2300 AD.
By the way Crono & Co find some sort of seeds in 2300 AD.
Could the seed, be from a plant like the sapling?
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It is possible, but it would be hard to confirm it. There is no evidence to back the theory.
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(http://www.chronocompendium.com/images/wiki/2/2e/Seed.png)
That's the Seed...Now, I think they thought the Seed would grow fruit...But that might not be true...Either way, the Sapling seemed to grow trees, right? The Seed doesn't look like a tree seed all that much...But what am I? some kind of plant doctor?
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Seeds grow into trees grow fruits full of seeds grow into trees...
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Yeah, but the trees in Fiona's Forest didn't seem like fruit-bearing trees...
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Yeah, but the trees in Fiona's Forest didn't seem like fruit-bearing trees...
a tree will always make seeds to "reproduce" even if there is no fruit
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Yeah, but the trees in Fiona's Forest didn't seem like fruit-bearing trees...
Maybe it wasn't spring yet.
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The only trees we saw close up were the ones in the clearing, it is possible that once the sapling started to gain momentum on the desert that other trees were planted.
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Inquiry
What is the significance of the saplings seen throughout Chrono TriggeR?
Answer
Three saplings are seen throughout the game. The first was made by Melchior and given to a woman in Zeal; it was later planted by this woman after the fall. The second was seen inside Fiona's hut, and was presumably planted by her to restore the forest. The third and last appearance came in 2300 A.D.; this sapling grew out of a seed held by a dead Arris Dome man who ventured underground to find food. The first seed is the only to play an active role in changing history, as it allows the Fiona's Forest Sidequest. But do these seeds really have mystical qualities? The first clearly allowed Fiona's Forest to hang on long enough to allow the Sunken Desert to be exposed and entered by the time travelers. The second seed probably assisted in Robo's restoration of the forest, and the third gave hope for the people of the ruined future (and presumably was going to bear fruit before history was changed).
Though it is not stated explicitly, these saplings can be thought of as descending from the one created by Melchior in 12000 B.C. They all play a role in replenishing hope. The Japanese version, however, does directly state the seeds have power.
でも命の賢者様からいただいたこのわかぎを、女王様はもやしてしまえと……。 緑を守る力を持った不思議なわかぎだと賢者様はおっしゃっていたのに……。[END]
However, the Queen has ordered that this sapling, given by the Guru of Life, be burned... Even though the Guru said it is mysterious, and has the power to protect greenery.
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Errr.... it looks remarkably like a sunflower seed...
Obviously the Queen would want to get if of the seed if it had some kind of ability to make the world below more than a frozen wasteland. Perhaps she had a feeling that given hope, the Earthbounds could one day rule the world below and rise up against Zeal.
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Or even worse... the Earthbound ones wouldn't be as jealous of Zeal now that they had green stuff too.
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Is that clear in the Japanese version that the first seed was Melchior's? In the English version, one NPC claims it came from "the Guru of Life" but another one says it came from "the Guru of Time".
What I do know though is that Fiona's seed isn't a "Mystic seed" (as claimed by the English version). In the Japanese version, she says it was passed on from generation to generation.
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Is that clear in the Japanese version that the first seed was Melchior's? In the English version, one NPC claims it came from "the Guru of Life" but another one says it came from "the Guru of Time".
What I do know though is that Fiona's seed isn't a "Mystic seed" (as claimed by the English version). In the Japanese version, she says it was passed on from generation to generation.
In Crono's time, pretty much everyone is a varied mix of magical and non-magical people. Most likely it's origins begin in the discriminnate era and the seed is in close relation to the strange sappling.
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What I do know though is that Fiona's seed isn't a "Mystic seed" (as claimed by the English version). In the Japanese version, she says it was passed on from generation to generation.
That doesn't neccessarily mean that it isn't the same seed.
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What I do know though is that Fiona's seed isn't a "Mystic seed" (as claimed by the English version). In the Japanese version, she says it was passed on from generation to generation.
That doesn't neccessarily mean that it isn't the same seed.
No, I didn't intend to make it means anything special, I'm just clearing this translation error (the English quote makes us think that Fiona obtained the seed from some Mystics, which we know isn't the case since it comes from one Guru giving it to the Zealian woman).
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What I do know though is that Fiona's seed isn't a "Mystic seed" (as claimed by the English version). In the Japanese version, she says it was passed on from generation to generation.
That doesn't neccessarily mean that it isn't the same seed.
No, I didn't intend to make it means anything special, I'm just clearing this translation error (the English quote makes us think that Fiona obtained the seed from some Mystics, which we know isn't the case since it comes from one Guru giving it to the Zealian woman).
Oooh I gotcha, I thought by mystic you meant magic.
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Though it is not stated explicitly, these saplings can be thought of as descending from the one created by Melchior in 12000 B.C. They all play a role in replenishing hope. The Japanese version, however, does directly state the seeds have power.
でも命の賢者様からいただいたこのわかぎを、女王様はもやしてしまえと……。 緑を守る力を持った不思議なわかぎだと賢者様はおっしゃっていたのに……。[END]
Can anyone tell me how to make it so Firefox can read Japanese symbols? At least, that's what I assume all those "?"s are supposed to be...thanks.
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It's not your browser, but your Operating System. You have to download and install a Language Pack from Microsoft.com in order to read foreign languages.
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Thankee. Makes the world seem more English+Japanese to me.
Now if only I could read it o_O
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Thankee. Makes the world seem more English+Japanese to me.
Now if only I could read it o_O
Thank goodness that I learn it as a LOTE :D
でも命の賢者様からいただいたこのわかぎを、女王様はもやしてしまえと……。 緑を守る力を持った不思議なわかぎだと賢者様はおっしゃっていたのに……。
Demo(something)no(something,something,something)karaitadaitakonowakagiwo, (something,something,something) hamoyashiteshimaeto. (something)wo(something)ru (KA) wo (something)tta (something,something,something) nawakagidato (something, something, something) wa o sshyo ttitanoni.
Well, I haven't learned that much Kanji yet, so all of it has been done as (something). The (KA) is katakana Oo
Ask Aura, she'd probably know what it means XD Or BableFish lol.
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So it received from the wise man of life, that the queen burns densely the key....... When it is the strange key which had the power which protects green as for the wise man to having said.......
There, a translation. Because the grammar was horribly butchered in translation, it basically says that the seeds are the key to protecting the Earth, as said by Melchior, and that this is why the Queen wants to burn it.
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Cool.
But wait wait wait wait...
...Aura's a girl? *blink* Zaper, are you pulling my leg, or am I really that stupid?
This is one of the things I really hate about meeting people online o_O
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Cool.
But wait wait wait wait...
...Aura's a girl? *blink* Zaper, are you pulling my leg, or am I really that stupid?
This is one of the things I really hate about meeting people online o_O
I've learned to learn to never argue with a girl during PMS. Just kidding ;) But yeah, I think Aura refered to herself as a "she".
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I refer to myself as both. Gender is pointless on the Internet, and only serves as a distraction from a person's personality and intellect, which is the heart of the Internet in the first place. He, She, refer to me as you wish. I don't give a damn.
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"The seed we humbly recieved from the guru of life, which the Queen ardently desired to burn. The mysterious seed that the guru said has the power to protect all green things."
Well, there's my translation. Sounds like something from Lord of the Rings hahaha.
If there's ever any doubts, I'm female.
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I usally think of someones gender based on avi's but....ya. Of course I always just refer to a person by name.
I guess it is a typo. But if given by Gaspar, maybe he did it some time ago. Maybe she one day brought it up to the queen and was then ordered to exterminate it. The fact of the Gurus giving it to her could be planned. The seeds I think represent how one moment humanity may look down at something that may seem insignificant, then in it's hour of need is required to put it's hope into it.
Edit- CRUD DOUBLE POST! Someone please delelte the first one :(.
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Or you could delete the second one and copy and paste the information into your first post. -_-
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Edit- CRUD DOUBLE POST! Someone please delelte the first one :(.
Gotcha covered. :)
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I refer to myself as both. Gender is pointless on the Internet, and only serves as a distraction from a person's personality and intellect, which is the heart of the Internet in the first place. He, She, refer to me as you wish. I don't give a damn.
Imma' just call you Aura, savvy? ^-^
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Inquiry
Three saplings are seen throughout the game. The first was made by Melchior and given to a woman in Zeal; it was later planted by this woman after the fall. The second was seen inside Fiona's hut, and was presumably planted by her to restore the forest. The third and last appearance came in 2300 A.D.; this sapling grew out of a seed held by a dead Arris Dome man who ventured underground to find food. The first seed is the only to play an active role in changing history, as it allows the Fiona's Forest Sidequest. But do these seeds really have mystical qualities? The first clearly allowed Fiona's Forest to hang on long enough to allow the Sunken Desert to be exposed and entered by the time travelers. The second seed probably assisted in Robo's restoration of the forest, and the third gave hope for the people of the ruined future (and presumably was going to bear fruit before history was changed).
Very well said.
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The second quote is strange because the guru of time is missing or out of scene in Crono timeline.
Is it possible that Gaspar time traveled just to give the sapling to this woman a make it survive the destruction of Zeal?
Isn't it possible that she obtained the tree prior to Gaspar being thrown into the future?
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I think the 2300 seed might have been a normal one but...
Anyway, what if Melchior's seed isn't magical, but rather was engineered, through science and genetics, to be an aggressive plant that could thrive in a multitude of environments and could at the same time, create byproducts that gave the necessary nutrients for other plants to grow as well?
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He could have dreamed it up too, like an item that could one day save the planet in it's darkest hour.
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I know you can dream sentient beings, but we've never seen an object dreamed up.
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Well, CT revolves alot around dreams, will and hope. Heck, the CT will only work if someone dreams enough or hopes enough and wills enough for their loved one to come back.