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Zenan Plains - Site Discussion => Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion => Topic started by: dankun on May 22, 2008, 03:24:40 am
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All right... I've been recently trying to actually finalize my 'perfect' new game save file, and I've never been as close to accomplishing it by actually doing everything that I've always wanted to (which includes having a permanently evolved Pip with his elemental grid actually complete!).
Anyway, there is one other thing that I've always wondered about and that is of the particular armor called Ghetz Shirt. I know that there was supposed to be an event that actually enabled you to get it but was ultimately not implemented into the game. I also am aware that there is actually a way to get it through Game Shark codes, if I'm not mistaken.
Now, I was just wondering... is there anyone who is knowladgeable enough on this particular aspect of the game, so as to give me any pointers regarding where exactly were you supposed to acquire it...? Is there any possible way to get it withouth using Game Shark codes?
P.S.: BTW, there is a FAQ at gamefaq's on items obtained that are stolen/dropped by enemies that specifies that the particular monster that 'supposedly' were meant to drop it are the Wraiths in Home World, but only as a rare drop. Only problem is, that Wraiths are almost never found in Home World. The only one that I can actually think of, is the one blocking your way to Viper Manor who is haunting the little boy's dad in the Shadow Forest. Other than the ones through the Bend of Time's portal (second one from the entrance on the top row), I can think of no other Wraiths.
Edit: Okay, I just checked the Compendium's Encyclopedia and it states that there are actual rumours about getting it through a rare drop in the Hydra Marshes (I'll assume that it was through a Wraith and in Home World), but that they are in fact just that, only rumors. I wonder if the rumors got started as a result of that Game FAQ I alluded or if there is any actual truth to them... help?
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Yep, that rumor comes from GameFAQs. As far as I can tell, no one has ever successfully acquired it. I've seen several posts on GF since starting to visit those forums in late 2003 talking about fighting hundreds of Wraiths to no avail.
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It's in the Brady guide as a rare drop from Home World Wraiths which is where I think that rumor started, actually...
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Oh my, I just saw the enciclopedia and I want to make a very important correction. Ghetz shirt CAN be obtained without gameshark. I do not own a gameshark and I just double checked my lots-years-old Chrono Cross save. As I remembered, I have the Ghetz shirt.
I never knew about the Hydra Marshes rumor, but I can tell you where to obtain it: Isle of Damned.
I'm not sure if recruiting Greco is a requierement, if any at all. But I vividly remember how I got it, it was when you're Lynx and you're gonna go against Garai. On the isle there is a creepy armor (around the end with the mirror puzzle) standing somewhere, and it will get you into a battle (hard if first game) with many armor monsters. I vividly remember getting the Ghetz Shirt as a spoil.
I never ever had idea it was a rare item, I was just "oh, Ghetz, that's Greco's dead friend" and continued. I repeat myself, I do not own a gameshark nor have used one. I know I got it from these armor monsters, which you can only battle once at isle of damned (armor disappears after the battle). Maybe that set of enemies is unique, different from the ones from Viper Manor (I think they also appared there).
Anyway, don't believe me if you don't want, go experiment, I'm sure it's obtainable without game shark, seeing I have it. I only have one though.
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Don't they appear on the SS Invincible as well? I thought it was one of the monsters Fargo sends to fight you.
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Yep, that rumor comes from GameFAQs. As far as I can tell, no one has ever successfully acquired it. I've seen several posts on GF since starting to visit those forums in late 2003 talking about fighting hundreds of Wraiths to no avail.
Yeah, I think I've seen a few threads concerning this item specifically myself. However, I don't think I've ever seen a single post ever, that has fully detailed an explanation on how to obtain it, and which actually makes any sense.
It's in the Brady guide as a rare drop from Home World Wraiths which is where I think that rumor started, actually...
Hmmm... I didn't realize that it was also in the Brady Games Guide as well. Is that a fact? I never bothered correlating the two 'guides', but I guess it's possible seeing as how there are plenty of mistakes in both (i.e. the FAQ stemmed from the mistakes made by the Brady Games one).
Oh my, I just saw the enciclopedia and I want to make a very important correction. Ghetz shirt CAN be obtained without gameshark. I do not own a gameshark and I just double checked my lots-years-old Chrono Cross save. As I remembered, I have the Ghetz shirt.
Yeah... unless you can provide actual 'proof' of what your're saying here, I wouldn't bother to continue posting about it. Specially if all the info your going to provide is misleading.
I never knew about the Hydra Marshes rumor, but I can tell you where to obtain it: Isle of Damned.
I'm not sure if recruiting Greco is a requierement, if any at all. But I vividly remember how I got it, it was when you're Lynx and you're gonna go against Garai. On the isle there is a creepy armor (around the end with the mirror puzzle) standing somewhere, and it will get you into a battle (hard if first game) with many armor monsters. I vividly remember getting the Ghetz Shirt as a spoil.
Okay... you see, I remember reading something extremely similar to what your'e actually saying here a long time ago in the Game FAQ's forums.
I actually remember verifying this as a complete hoax!
The battle that you're actually talking about is the one with the Wight Knight, which can only be fought once, like you said, at the Isle of the Damned in Home World. However, you don't necessarily have to fight him on your first trip, as you can actually trigger the fight (by luring the Will'O'Wisp who is hanging around that area) at any point in the game that you want.
That battle is always fought against that one special armor called the W'Knight or something in the game. There are no other types of armors ever present in that fight. No Man-O'-Wars or Man-At-Arms at all! The only ones in the entire game are the ones you fight in the S.S. Zelbess (a group of Man-O'-Wars only) and at Viper Manor (only one Man-At-Arms in the group) in the Treasure Vault Room (when you put the Decor Shield in its place). Oh, and by the way, the Wight Knight's rare drop is a Rainbow Shell. Which is also one of the easiest ones to miss in the game. (Try fighting a Will'O'Wisp and the Wight Knight over and over until you actually get a 'rare' drop from it).
I never ever had idea it was a rare item, I was just "oh, Ghetz, that's Greco's dead friend" and continued. I repeat myself, I do not own a gameshark nor have used one. I know I got it from these armor monsters, which you can only battle once at isle of damned (armor disappears after the battle). Maybe that set of enemies is unique, different from the ones from Viper Manor (I think they also appared there).
You see, it's not that I don't want to believe you, it's mostly that you're not making any sense!
Trying to be ambiguous about it, it's not really gonna help your case or make your post a single bit more credible.
Anyway, don't believe me if you don't want, go experiment, I'm sure it's obtainable without game shark, seeing I have it. I only have one though.
If you ever provide any actual sort of credible evidence, I'll believe you. I will also try to verify it, as soon as possible (I have saves at just about every single point in the game).
Don't they appear on the SS Invincible as well? I thought it was one of the monsters Fargo sends to fight you.
Yeah, that's actually one of the only two points in the game in which you can actually fitght them.
No Man-At-Arms though, in that group. Which is good, conisdering that you get another chance to fight them at Viper Manor, after you recruit Sprigg (for her Doppelgang transformations).
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It's in the Brady guide as a rare drop from Home World Wraiths which is where I think that rumor started, actually...
Yeah, this much IS true. I have the guide in front of me now and it shows:
Wraith
Innate: Black
Homeworld
HP: 400
Atk/Mag Atk: 47/10
Def/Mag Def: 30/6
Drop (Common): HellSoul
Drop (Rare): Ghetz'sShirt
Steal (Common): Capsule
Steal (Rare): FreeFall
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Hmmm... I didn't realize that it was also in the Brady Games Guide as well. Is that a fact?
Yup, I can verify as I have the Brady Guide and that's what it says...
(http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1360/ghetzsshirtcb4.png)
I know it's bad quality because it's just my cam, but you can see what it says, right?
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Hmmm... I didn't realize that it was also in the Brady Games Guide as well. Is that a fact?
Yup, I can verify as I have the Brady Guide and that's what it says...
(http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1360/ghetzsshirtcb4.png)
I know it's bad quality because it's just my cam, but you can see what it says, right?
Nice to see i'm not the only one with the Brady Guide.
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dankun: I'll take my chances on deciding if I bother to post or not. I did not post misleading nor tried to be ambiguous, and I don't take pleasure in trolling or lying on purpose. On the contrary, I posted information from my memory (corroborated by my unhacked Chrono Cross save file) which could lead to experimentation from Compendium members to try to find something in that exact battle.
You see, it's not that I don't want to believe you, it's mostly that you're not making any sense!
I don't remember the exact names of all monstrosity of CC, sorry. I could grab a screen of my game file with digital camera or something, but I guess that wouldn't help since you can gameshark it anyway. I still keep my call up for Compendium members to experiment on that fight, since I do know I got it as a spoil.
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Actually isn't there a Wraith in that room? So could he just be an idiot and not remember fighting the Wraith either before or after the armor? Not that I'm trying to prove it exists. I just think he doesn't remember it as well as he thinks.
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Yeah, this much IS true. I have the guide in front of me now and it shows:
Wraith
Innate: Black
Homeworld
HP: 400
Atk/Mag Atk: 47/10
Def/Mag Def: 30/6
Drop (Common): HellSoul
Drop (Rare): Ghetz'sShirt
Steal (Common): Capsule
Steal (Rare): FreeFall
Thanks. I don't own a physical copy of the guide, so I couldn't really verify it. That's almost exactly identical to the information that's here in the Encyclopedia, with the exception of Rare Drop item being nothing.
Yup, I can verify as I have the Brady Guide and that's what it says...
I know it's bad quality because it's just my cam, but you can see what it says, right?
Yeah, I can see it. I actually had no idea that the name of the item as it appears in-game had no space in between the two words. I guess my theory was correct, after all. Probably all the mistakes that were made in the Brady Games Guide were repeated by that FAQ, as they weren't really 'gathered', moreso than they were 'copied'.
dankun: I'll take my chances on deciding if I bother to post or not. I did not post misleading nor tried to be ambiguous, and I don't take pleasure in trolling or lying on purpose. On the contrary, I posted information from my memory (corroborated by my unhacked Chrono Cross save file) which could lead to experimentation from Compendium members to try to find something in that exact battle.
Yeah, okay... whatever you say. Just know that nobody will ever keep paying attention to you, as long as you keep being a complete dubious and insencere 'jackass'. You are nothing than a complete 'moron', if you continue to keep pushing this nonsensical idea that you somehow managed to misteriously get it, through a imaginary way in a fight that doesn't exist in the game as you describe it. If you so vividly remember how it is you got it, how about you come up with a more believable lie than that or start being honest for once and admit your being devious and deceiving about it.
I don't remember the exact names of all monstrosity of CC, sorry. I could grab a screen of my game file with digital camera or something, but I guess that wouldn't help since you can gameshark it anyway. I still keep my call up for Compendium members to experiment on that fight, since I do know I got it as a spoil.
You don't have to remember them. They're all listed right here in the Encyclopedia. I actually had to check it to verify a few names myself, and I still got some of them wrong! And you're right, a pic would definitely not constitute credible proof at all, so don't bother. How about you start telling the truth, and admitting your being a 'phony' instead?
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The rudeness of this forum is nice. You request information about the item, I come up with a possibility that you could very well research, but instead I get told to stop posting, then called "idiot" by ZealKnight and "jackass" and "moron" by the topic creator. I don't think I insulted any of you. And I don't know why the hell you keep writing like 'this'.
Don't worry, this doesn't talk bad about the Compendium, it just makes you two look like complete pricks. I won't go down to your level and insult you back (save for pricks). I wish you luck in your research.
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Yeah, I think they were being a little harsh in their criticisms too, radicalblues. Regardless of whether or not what you say is factual or made up (of which I have no way of proving either way myself), nobody needs to bash you for believing it and it didn't seem to me like you were making it up to screw with people...I mean, this isn't GameFAQs, right? >_>
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The rudeness of this forum is nice. You request information about the item, I come up with a possibility that you could very well research, but instead I get told to stop posting, then called "idiot" by ZealKnight and "jackass" and "moron" by the topic creator. I don't think I insulted any of you. And I don't know why the hell you keep writing like 'this'.
Don't worry, I'm not always like this. Only when I get irritated by someone who I know is totally and completely dead wrong about a specific subject. Case in point, you coming here and telling everyone to go experiment about something that I know for a fact it's complete bullshit. Did you really think I that I didn't know what I was talking about? That I wouldn't make absoulutely certain about what I was saying to make a post about it? That I wouldn't double check just to make sure that what you are saying is 100% 'bullshit', so that other people wouldn't waste their time with your suggestions?
And I'll talk, however the hell I wanna 'talk'. Thank you very much.
Don't worry, this doesn't talk bad about the Compendium, it just makes you two look like complete pricks. I won't go down to your level and insult you back (save for pricks). I wish you luck in your research.
I'm not worried. Like I post enough here to even care....
Please stop lying about how you got this item and start telling the truth!! (you have a gameshark and you're trying to be 'funny')
Yeah, I think they were being a little harsh in their criticisms too, radicalblues. Regardless of whether or not what you say is factual or made up (of which I have no way of proving either way myself), nobody needs to bash you for believing it and it didn't seem to me like you were making it up to screw with people...I mean, this isn't GameFAQs, right? >_>
Exactly. We don't need members like them over here at the Compendium.
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Yeah, I think they were being a little harsh in their criticisms too, radicalblues. Regardless of whether or not what you say is factual or made up (of which I have no way of proving either way myself), nobody needs to bash you for believing it and it didn't seem to me like you were making it up to screw with people...I mean, this isn't GameFAQs, right? >_>
Exactly. We don't need members like them over here at the Compendium.
You know he was saying 'you' were being harsh and did not say anything about radicalblues being a gamefaq type.
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I'm sorry. I didn't know you were easily hurt after saying that you were being an idiot although everyone has idiot moments.the other day i got a B because I forgot something that was idiotic. Although, no one answered my question.
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GameFAQ members are a little biased and harsh with their judgements. I'll be trying to have an intelligent conversation., and i'll list one of my dissapointments from a game, and then fanboys will call me a "Nublet"
What the hell is a Nublet?
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dankun, what the flying fuck? Out of anything you are being the troll. He says one thing and BAM, you attack him.
You may not care about the Compendium's reputation, but we do.
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Whoa, why do I always miss the flamefests?! :lol: Seriously, dankun settle down; this isn't a place for antagonisms, it's a place for analysis and/or discussion--if you disagree with someone, say that, empirically, you doubt the probability of the given situation-- and leave it at that. Otherwise ask for proof -or- supply proof that the given situation is impossible(ie derive it from game code); don't EVER attack new members--you might as well shit on the Compendium's name yourself; and that, here, is a sin of the highest order--betrayal of the very community that provided a welcoming atmosphere for you.
What the hell is a Nublet?
Don't quote me on this as my conclusion is based on deductive reasoning, but I believe Nub(n00b)-let(an English diminutive suffix) implies that you are less than unqualified to make a decision on a given topic.
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This thread sucks. Just everyone drop it. If the flamefest continues, I ask Translanka to get involved and lock this thread.
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You know he was saying 'you' were being harsh and did not say anything about radicalblues being a gamefaq type.
No. He was saying that he couldn't verify the info one way or the other, but that he somehow doubted he wasn't telling the truth and was just messing with whomever was willing to buy into this whole rumor-infested confounded item, as this place isn't GameFAQ's (or so I though, but apparently have been proven wrong).
Whoa, why do I always miss the flamefests?! :lol: Seriously, dankun settle down; this isn't a place for antagonisms, it's a place for analysis and/or discussion--if you disagree with someone, say that, empirically, you doubt the probability of the given situation-- and leave it at that. Otherwise ask for proof -or- supply proof that the given situation is impossible(ie derive it from game code); don't EVER attack new members--you might as well shit on the Compendium's name yourself; and that, here, is a sin of the highest order--betrayal of the very community that provided a welcoming atmosphere for you.
You call this a flamefest!? All I ever did was to simply state what he would become in my eyes if he were to continue with his little 'charade'. He didn't. So in essence, there was no name calling from my end (unlike him, who did call both me and ZealKnight 'pricks'). Reread my posts. I don't have to state anything like 'I doubt that probablity of the given situation' because I am totally, completely and absolutely certain about what I am talking about.
Seriously, you people really need to learn how to read stuff longer than one line sentences (not to mention the ability to learn how to interptet the meaning between lines of any given post). The reason I was so irritated is because I just simply can't stand 'liers' of any possible sort ever. Specially on an internet forum, where its members are 'supposedly' hold to have some sort of nothing but 'good-doers' reputation, who are not selfish, devious or misleading on anything in the least when it comes to Chrono related stuff.
I highly doubt that any single member coul ever hold such 'influence' on the community at large, specially someone that posts so little as me. And I wasn't talking about not caring for the Compendium's reputation (whatever it may really be)... I was talking about any repercussions that my post may have ultimately had, as he seemed to have been making an appeal to emotion by 'pretending' to be so insulted by it and enlarging (unfoundedly, as it is nothing more than a logical fallacy) what it consequences migth be. Oh, and by the way, I never did recieve such 'welcome' either (if anything it was actually the opposite, and by the site's creator himself, no less).
dankun, what the flying fuck? Out of anything you are being the troll. He says one thing and BAM, you attack him.
You may not care about the Compendium's reputation, but we do.
That't just the way I always reply, in case you hadn't noticed it. To note, however, is the fact that I never did replied to what little 'name calling' he did.
And again, I wasn't talking about the Compendium's reputation, moreso than my own.
GameFAQ members are a little biased and harsh with their judgements. I'll be trying to have an intelligent conversation., and i'll list one of my dissapointments from a game, and then fanboys will call me a "Nublet"
Yes. They are known to be quite 'unreasonable', that much is true. However, that is not the only thing that they are known for, actually (i.e. rumor starting about complete idiotic stuff that's impossible to even accomplish).
This thread sucks. Just everyone drop it. If the flamefest continues, I ask Translanka to get involved and lock this thread.
I agree. What has become of my 'precious' second little thread!? And all that just for the fact that, apparently, some of you can't seem to even read my posts, at least correctly. See what GameFAQ's members are capable of doing now? And I am certain (although not 100%, as my memory isn't perfect and it happened some time ago) that he was/is a gamefaq's members at some point, because as I said 'someone' actually posted about this exact 'theoreticallly rumored' way to obtain it there (although it has probably now since been erased, I think).
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This thread sucks. Just everyone drop it. If the flamefest continues, I ask Translanka to get involved and lock this thread.
Boo, I'm sorry for contributing to the 'ruin' of this thread, but dankun's behavior is ridiculous and the sad thing about it is he thinks he's doing nothing wrong--since when did two wrongs make a right, dankun? After this, I'm done with the pointless argument.
No. He was saying that he couldn't verify the info one way or the other, but that he somehow doubted he wasn't telling the truth and was just messing with whomever was willing to buy into this whole rumor-infested confounded item, as this place isn't GameFAQ's (or so I though, but apparently have been proven wrong).
Wow... point out to me where you have even been scientific and non-dogmatic in your posts in this thread.
You call this a flamefest!? All I ever did was to simply state what he would become in my eyes if he were to continue with his little 'charade'. He didn't. So in essence, there was no name calling from my end (unlike him, who did call both me and ZealKnight 'pricks'). Reread my posts. I don't have to state anything like 'I doubt that probablity of the given situation' because I am totally, completely and absolutely certain about what I am talking about.
First off, it was an exaggeration(notice the ' :lol:'); second, I rehash: Settle down; and thirdly I read your posts, stop trolling to take the spotlight off you. And if you are "totally, completely and absolutely certain" about what you are talking about--spread the consensus by providing 'definitive' proof instead of trying to push a perceived, by me and others, 'self-righteous opinion'. At any rate, all I'm asking of you, and the only thing I expect you to take out of this, is to just be civil to others regardless of their argument's validity. :wink:
Seriously, you people really need to learn how to read stuff longer than one line sentences (not to mention the ability to learn how to interptet the meaning between lines of any given post).
Whoa, whoa, whoa there... stop; I read 'between the lines', and, to be honest, found very little content, save the pointless aggressive and insulting tactics. Sure, he may have been a troll, but does that justify your behavior? It just proves that you are no better than a troll.
The reason I was so irritated is because I just simply can't stand 'liers' of any possible sort ever. Specially on an internet forum, where its members are 'supposedly' hold to have some sort of nothing but 'good-doers' reputation, who are not selfish, devious or misleading on anything in the least when it comes to Chrono related stuff.
Fair enough, but don't make an ill-perceived precedent; by doing so, you are doing more harm than good by adding more 'fuel' to the 'fire'.
I was talking about any repercussions that my post may have ultimately had, as he seemed to have been making an appeal to emotion by 'pretending' to be so insulted by it and enlarging (unfoundedly, as it is nothing more than a logical fallacy) what it consequences migth be.
He was making an 'appeal to emotion', though probably not intentionally, so just drop it. Why is my advice, thus far, so offensive to you? :?
as this place isn't GameFAQ's (or so I though, but apparently have been proven wrong).
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Oh, and by the way, I never did recieve such 'welcome' either (if anything it was actually the opposite, and by the site's creator himself, no less).
These were, as well, 'appeals to emotion', don't be a hypocrite; your previous behavior simply cannot be justified. The fact is, although there may be a few smatterings of arguments here and there this is a friendly atmosphere. And don't play the victim, either; take a look at the trend of other forums--Ramsus and ZeaLity do a very good job at providing a 'welcoming' atmosphere for others and contributing to the 'growth' of the community. You, on the other hand, were being 'selfish' by 'attacking' another because, empirically, you concluded that radicalblues was wrong, rather than by proving, to us, that he might be, in fact, wrong by process of scientific evidence.
And again, I wasn't talking about the Compendium's reputation, moreso than my own.
You are a representative of the compendium by participating here; act like it.
Now let's get back on topic: there are only two avenues to go from here. One of them is to 'dig' into the game code and post your findings. The other would be, when and if we do a Chrono Cross 2.0 patch this issue will be resolved on the docket.
Savvy, good. :)
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He didn't. So in essence, there was no name calling from my end (unlike him, who did call both me and ZealKnight 'pricks').
I just wanted to let this stupid discussion drop, but since you continue being such a double-faced person:
Yeah, okay... whatever you say. Just know that nobody will ever keep paying attention to you, as long as you keep being a complete dubious and insencere 'jackass'. You are nothing than a complete 'moron', if you continue to[...]
Should I also quote ZealKnight? I called you prick afterwards, which is in essence is the same thing you called me:
n.: A total asshole, jerk, or jackoff (or jagoff).
I have no interest in further discussing Ghetz Shirt, maybe it's a bug item like a Wolflobe Sword, again, wish you luck. I just came back to clean my name, I didn't start the flames. I request other members to just drop this going-nowhere subject and try to help with the topic, since I'm also interested in knowing the exact causes. I'm starting another CC run when I get vacations 8)
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Boo, I'm sorry for contributing to the 'ruin' of this thread, but dankun's behavior is ridiculous and the sad thing about it is he thinks he's doing nothing wrong--since when did two wrongs make a right, dankun? After this, I'm done with the pointless argument.
Why is my behavior so ridiculous? Because I stated the real truth of the matter for what it really was? And where exactly is this 'second wrong' that you mention? And finally, let's hope you hold to what you're saying here, so that the thread can finally get back on topic...
Wow... point out to me where you have even been scientific and non-dogmatic in your posts in this thread.
Gladly.
...Did you really think I that I didn't know what I was talking about? That I wouldn't make absoulutely certain about what I was saying to make a post about it? That I wouldn't double check just to make sure that what you are saying is 100% 'bullshit', so that other people wouldn't waste their time with your suggestions?...
Granted, there's no real way for you to discern the actual truth of that statement, save for checking it out yourself in the game and figuring out who is really at fault here. Me...for calling out his 'bullshit' and adding a couple of very slight insults to increase 'weight' to my statement? Or him... for claiming he vividly remembers how he obtained it, while being erroneus about it every single little detail of the entire 'account'?
First off, it was an exaggeration(notice the ' :lol:'); second, I rehash: Settle down; and thirdly I read your posts, stop trolling to take the spotlight off you. And if you are "totally, completely and absolutely certain" about what you are talking about--spread the consensus by providing 'definitive' proof instead of trying to push a perceived, by me and others, 'self-righteous opinion'. At any rate, all I'm asking of you, and the only thing I expect you to take out of this, is to just be civil to others regardless of their argument's validity. :wink:
I'm not trolling. I really fail to see how two conditioned 'insults' are equitable to being a troll. Specially when I'm the only one on this thread who is actually doing any research at all in the first place!
I really can't provide any definite proof on this, save for making references to the Encyclopedia (which, as it so happens, I did). If you simply don't want to believe what I'm saying, there is one simple solution to that: Verirfy all the info yourself! How? Like I said, check for it yourself and see who is actually telling the truth on the matter. Granted, this may actually not be possible to you (like V_Translanka said), as you may not have a save point near that part of the game. However, even if you do, I would advice against it, as by doing so, you'd just be falling into the whole 'idiotic-filled' rumored ways scene of this god-forsaken, unnatural, accursed item.
Whoa, whoa, whoa there... stop; I read 'between the lines', and, to be honest, found very little content, save the pointless aggressive and insulting tactics. Sure, he may have been a troll, but does that justify your behavior? It just proves that you are no better than a troll.
Apparently, it would seem you didn't (or at least, not completely). As what was just pointed out above.
And like I said, how does pointing someone's 'bullshit' in a forum, comparable to 'troll' behavior?
Fair enough, but don't make an ill-perceived precedent; by doing so, you are doing more harm than good by adding more 'fuel' to the 'fire'.
Did I reallly make an 'ill-percieved' precedent? I thought it was mostly me just stating how I feel about posting in general, really. Specially on the whole deal of having a really 'large' post count, being somehow comparable to 'owning' truth to what anyone says in this forum...but whatever. I guess that is how it is on most forums, so there's no reason to why this place should be any different.
He was making an 'appeal to emotion', though probably not intentionally, so just drop it. Why is my advice, thus far, so offensive to you? :?
When did I ever say I was offended by your 'advice'? True enough, I did make an 'appeal to emotion' myself, but it was only so that people would stop ruining my thread... which it worked, I think.
These were, as well, 'appeals to emotion', don't be a hypocrite; your previous behavior simply cannot be justified. The fact is, although there may be a few smatterings of arguments here and there this is a friendly atmosphere. And don't play the victim, either; take a look at the trend of other forums--Ramsus and ZeaLity do a very good job at providing a 'welcoming' atmosphere for others and contributing to the 'growth' of the community. You, on the other hand, were being 'selfish' by 'attacking' another because, empirically, you concluded that radicalblues was wrong, rather than by proving, to us, that he might be, in fact, wrong by process of scientific evidence.
Friendly atmosphere? That's hardly the case with the religious threads, wouldn't you say? Which, for whatever reason, this place seems to turn to every once in a while (mostly for allowing them, I would think). And for the record, I wasn't playing the victim at all.... (yes, my welcome here was really that 'awful', just to put it into words).
You are a representative of the compendium by participating here; act like it.
True, I suppose. But I've never really felt completely welcomed here. Granted, it is mostly my own fault, as I barely see any point to getting involved at the level that some of you guys do. I've never really understood what little benefits would there actually be to do it, (other than personal satisfaction...) but whatever.
Now let's get back on topic: there are only two avenues to go from here. One of them is to 'dig' into the game code and post your findings. The other would be, when and if we do a Chrono Cross 2.0 patch this issue will be resolved on the docket.
Yes, let's... please. I wouldn't really know how to even begin lookin at the game code. But I suppose the Compendium has already done so, or at least found another way to completely validate the fact that it can't be obtained without Game Shark codes.
As for your second option, I think that's a little ways off, considering the actual 'state' in which Chrono Cross hacking is currently at.
I just wanted to let this stupid discussion drop, but since you continue being such a double-faced person:
Finally, some honesty! This did turned into a stupid discussion, I agree! It was all thanks to you, however...
Should I also quote ZealKnight? I called you prick afterwards, which is in essence is the same thing you called me:
n.: A total asshole, jerk, or jackoff (or jagoff).
Yes you did. However, I only said that you would be those things if and when you continued with your little hoax...
That's a big if... I would think.
I have no interest in further discussing Ghetz Shirt, maybe it's a bug item like a Wolflobe Sword, again, wish you luck. I just came back to clean my name, I didn't start the flames. I request other members to just drop this going-nowhere subject and try to help with the topic, since I'm also interested in knowing the exact causes. I'm starting another CC run when I get vacations 8)
I actually really believe that there might be a way to get it without Game Shark codes. Why do I believe this? Because there are actually several mishaps with the Encyclopedia's listings, and also because every single FAQ in existence also have quite a few mistakes on them. But I could be wrong... In any case, we'll never know at the rate this thread is going. So let's just drop everything right now, okay?
Now, to contribute to the actual topic thread....
Has anyone really investigated the Bend of Time, thoroughly? I know that there's also another FAQ out there about it, that I think it's not even fully finished. The reason I ask is because I think that there is an actual possibilty that the only possible way to get it is as a spoil from one of the Wraiths there. However, I am unsure if this is completely accurate though, because I have never seen a Wraith who has had more 210+ Hp's...
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Yes you did. However, I only said that you would be those things if and when you continued with your little hoax...
That's a big if... I would think.
Yeah, putting conditions to insults definately justifies them <.< well, I wasn't offended, just surprised since my intention was to help, not create a troll/hoax/flame situation. Dropped.
This guide provides info on Wraiths with multiple HP digits:
http://www.gamespot.com/gamespot/guides/video/chronocross_gg/p10.html
And this one even gives out the locations, in the probable case you wanna check out:
http://www.rpgclassics.com/shrines/psx/cc/enemies4.shtml
Supposedly, the one with 400 HP is on Home Shadow Forest and drops the armor. Maybe you already knew this and the guide is inaccurate, but let's see if I can help for a change.
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Sorry to bring it up, but maybe it is not worthy a new topic...
I did't know such a thing until I started stealing *cough* stuff *cough* from the Encyclopedia recently.
Yeah, I didn't find a 400HP Wraith in game, but when I seached the memory dump today, I did find one that drops a Ghetz's Shirt, and yes, the owner is a 400HP Wraith.
The Wraith is no.105 in the game list, and no.104 is a 200HP Gloop in the sewer exit of the Home World Shadow Forest. That doesn't prove anything, but since monsters in same area are usually put together in the list, so maybe someone used to have a plan to add a 400HP Wraith there.
(http://cc.ffsky.cn/TEMP/GhetzWraith.png)
I guess it could be this one, but someone just made a mistake or the plan was changed eventually, so we can only meet a regular Wraith here.