Chrono Compendium
Enhasa Halls - Chrono Series Analysis => Characters, Plot, and Themes => Topic started by: ZeaLitY on March 10, 2004, 10:21:40 pm
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What are the fates of Crono, Marle, and Lucca?
Child-Drawing Theory
ZeaLitY
I wish to point out that if Lucca's burning is correctly dated at 1015 A.D., Crono may very well be alive. A child's drawing of him hangs in the back passage way. Considering the age of children, it couldn't have been done before the fall of Guardia.
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Ybrik Metaknight: Wow...good point. In fact, regardless of whether the date is correct, Crono would almost have to be alive. Consider the following: Kid, in 1020, is 16. She is able to talk to Serge coherently enough that she would have to be 6 or 7 at the youngest during the fire. Simple math dictates that the fire would have to have occured in or after 1010. The Fall of Guardia was in 1005.
Unless those were drawn in 1005, before the Fall of Guardia and Lucca simply left them up for memory, which is unlikely, given the fact that they did not appear to be framed or in any way protected from the elements, and even the inside of a house is not away from the elements enough to preserve something so unprotected for five years or longer.
Child-Drawing Theory
Adjunct: Kid-Drawing Theory
Oswego del Fuego
I assume they were by Kid, since Kid is the only child at the orphanage who is important to the story, and the entire orphanage sequence exists to shed light on her character. Second, despite their childish look, they are really quite accurate. This leads me to believe that Kid actually _met_ the heroes from CT, including Crono and Marle. Perhaps not all at once, but over time. Since this scene takes place _after_ the fall of Guardia in 1005 AD, I have to think that Crono and Marle survived the kingdom's "fall," and, therefore, might still be alive in the time of CC (in Another).
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ZeaLitY: The accuracy can work whether Kid draws them or not.
Refutation
ZeaLitY: The kids may have simply copied off a group picture, such as the one seen in in the opening cutscene of Chrono Trigger PSX.
Lucca-Letter Theory
Oswego del Fuego
Kid is 16, which means that Lucca had to have found her around 1003 or 1004. And in Lucca's letter to Kid, she states this:
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P.S. Cut out the tomboy act! Believe me! You'll become a beautiful young lady one day, or my name isn't "Lucca the Great!"
So for Kid to develop a Tomboy act, I'm assuming she may have been between 5-7 years old... probably around the time Lucca got kidnapped (did they give you a date of the year she was kidnapped? I don't remember). Which means Lucca probably wrote the letter around 1009-1010 or something like that. Roughly 5 years after the fall of Guardia. In the letter, she speaks of her 'friends.'
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That is why I worry that someone might seek revenge on us for what we did. I have had a constant dread in my heart that someone in our new future will travel back in time, just like we did, and try and kill or capture my friends and me.
She speaks of her friends in the plural and present tense, as if they're still alive and kickin'. I'm assuming she is talking about both Crono and Marle (and perhaps Magus, if he's hangin' around 1000 AD).
Royal-Pardon Theory
Ybrik Metaknight
I think that Guardia XXXIII might have still been king in 1005 A.D. (unless, of course, he died because the Guardia line seem to have short life spans), and so Crono and Marle very well could have been spared. Indeed, they may not have even been in the area, or the era, at the time of the fall.
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ZeaLitY: Depending on the Porrean captors, they may have perished. Excessive bloodshed is seen in the Fall of Guardia cutscene, leading me to believe they were indeed slain.
Ybrik Metaknight: Of course, if they were in the castle, they most likely would have been executed, whether they were the rulers or not...see the Bolshevik Revolution (and the mystery of Anastasia) for a historical parallel.
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This is a bit offbeat, but:
Crono-Miguel Theory
Vaeran
- Age. Crono was about 16 years old in 1000 A.D., and Chrono Cross takes place in 1020. Miguel is clearly middle-aged, so that works out.
- Appearance. Miguel has red hair and lots of it, though he wears it in a much tamer style than Crono did.
- Game mechanics. Miguel is ludicrously powerful, far more than a simple islander should be. In addition, he's an innate White. Crono could have been a Yellow in CC's system for all his lightning attacks, but his most famous technique was Luminaire, which in CC is a White element.
- Family. Leena looks a lot like what you'd expect Marle and Crono's daughter to; she's basically Marle with Crono's coloring. In addition, her name is very similar to Leene, a name from Marle's family. It's true that we see her "grandmother" and "sister" in Arni village, but they don't look a thing like her. After Miguel never returned from his voyage with Wazuki, an old woman in the village probably took Leena in as her own, as she no longer had any family.
The scene in which you meet Miguel is also very telling. He seems to know a whole hell of a lot about the whole Lavos situation, for one thing. And if you watch carefully, the little Crono shade is always standing nearest him, and is standing directly over (behind) Miguel as he dies.
But doesn't the Crono "ghost" mean that Crono's already dead, and thus isn't Miguel? No; I don't believe the three childlike apparitions are Crono, Marle and Lucca at all. While we're not clear on Marle's fate, we know Lucca at least lived to her early 20s; that's when Lynx kidnaps her (and presumably kills her when she refuses to help). If she died at that age, her ghost wouldn't appear as a little child; ditto for the other two.
(So if they're not ghosts, what are they? I think they're projections of the Frozen Flame, which is the essence of Lavos. The game assumes that your final party to fight Lavos in CT was Crono, Marle and Lucca, and that they would therefore be the last thing it saw. While they're not actually children, that's what Lavos saw them as; weak little human children who shouldn't have been a threat.)
Anyway, so what the hell would Crono be doing all the way down in the El Nido archipelago, anyway? Remember that Porre invaded and conquered Guardia. Like I said, we don't know exactly what happened to Marle, but it's pretty easy to guess: as then-queen of Guardia, she was either killed, taken prisoner, or is in hiding somewhere, possibly organizing a rebellion. Either way, not very pleasant. Knowing that things are going to get bad real soon, she entreats Crono to escape with their child. He gets as far away from Guardia as possible with Leena, settling down to a quiet life in a fishing village and changing his name.
So, maybe he is, maybe he isn't. Miguel could just be some simple fisherman whose life ended up sucking beyond all reason. Or he could be the hero from the previous game, imprisoned in an dead future that he helped create, and forced to fight against the only people capable of preventing it. I think it adds an extra level of emotion to think he's the latter. Thoughts?
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ZeaLitY's note: Crono's innate in Trigger is white, not yellow. The lightning element was originally the Heaven element, but that was changed for whatever reason.
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ZeaLitY's note: Crono's innate in Trigger is white, not yellow. The lightning element was originally the Heaven element, but that was changed for whatever reason.
This was most likely changed because at the time of the game's release, Nintendo didn't want references to anything religious in the games on their console, kind of like how in Final Fantasy IV (II on the SNES, for the uninformed) the Holy spell was changed to White, and in Final Fantasy VI (III on the SNES, for the uninformed) it was changed to Pearl.
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On the subject of the Miguel/Crono theory... as we all (or most of us) know, Miguel was Leena's father. No one ever mentions or calls attention to her mother (not that I can remember)... but some further evidence may lie simply in Leena's name itself. Marle's mother, Queen Aliza passed away when she was very young... the next closest female relative she comes into contact with would be Queen Leene. Crono's mother's name was never revealed in the US version of CT, but in the Japanese version it was Gina. Quite a clever combination they have there... using the name Leene and the name Gina to make the name Leena. This may further contribute some credibility to the name comparison... Serge's mother was named Marge, and you can see a similarity in their names, as well.
Personally, whether or not the Crono/Miguel theory is accurate or not, I like it. Imagine long after the fact, that somone should just realize that they defeated the hero they came to love so much.
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The only flaw I could see with the Miguel/Crono theory is I don't think Crono would stay hidden away for so long. Of course having a kid could have changed that.
--jp
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In the Ideal Timeline, Lucca would be alive, since there wouldn't be a Lynx or a Harle! YAY! I always assumed Crono and Marle escaped, because the Arris Dome ins controlled by the Guardia line. As for those creepy ghosts? Well they know too much, I'm blaming either A)the Entity or B) um....Dopplegangers.
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Wow, I like this theory about Miguel being Crono, pans out quite well in my head (and I'd like to believe it myself)
All the other theories really make sense to me too.
PS: You all think WAAAAY to much. XD (But someone has to, right?)
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Wow, I like this theory about Miguel being Crono, pans out quite well in my head (and I'd like to believe it myself)
All the other theories really make sense to me too.
PS: You all think WAAAAY to much. XD (But someone has to, right?)
Yeah, its built on assumtions, maybes, and what ifs. Its a great theory.
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I do admit that most of the 'evidence' so far is based on superficial things, such as names and appearances. However, the bit about the pictures in Lucca's house at the time of it's burning does point to Crono and Marle's survival of the fall of Guardia. Regardless of whether or not you think Crono may have been Miguel, there is a significant chance that he and Marle are alive somewhere in the world. Being that they are important people (to both Guardia and to the timeline) they would probably be found at least near El Nido, in order to view the events that occur in CC.
The further we go from the fall of Guardia, the more speculative we become. The fall of Guardia is a certainty, then comes the theory that Crono and Marle survive to the time when Lucca's orphanage is burnt. If they did indeed survive to that time, Crono and Marle did in fact lay low and slip under the Porre military's radar. Also, that really depends on Porre's motivation for taking Guardia down.
I'd like to ask a question myself now... Somewhere I read that the former Deva's (Radius, Garai, Zappa) were somehow involved in the fall of Guardia. Also, from the same source, it was said that a figure with a scythe was present as well. Not saying it was a credible source, but what do you guys think?
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Well, its almost a certainity (if you look at the facts, not just "They is nots in CC!!") that they survived the Fall.
As for the sythe part, someone doesn't know what their talking about. Find a better souce :P
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I believe that they survive, the times are all just about right. Still, I think that the Miguel = Crono theory is a little half-baked. Well not half-baked, just to far of a stretch to be true. Playing Chrono Trigger we are only showed a small world with about 4-5 villages. And then all of a sudden there is an archipelago we never knew about that became a whole game on its own. I'm assuming there is more to the world than what we know already (Guardia/Porre and El Nido.) Crono could have hidden in another area of the world and just visited Lucca. It wouldn't be a very grande escape from Porre if all the friends of the Royal family were chilling together.
And I read about this in the other Thread and Kazmaka tries saying that Marle wants to "smash you [Crono/Miguel] to bits" which is a misquote and is also directed towards humanity not Crono=!Miguel. So my opinion on this is polluted since it is kazmaka's rubbish.
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While the Miguel = Crono theory looks good on paper, you have to wonder why Marle would have Crono leave with thier child and not the other way around. First of all, Crono is the better fighter, and in a solo situation, could handle himself much better than Marle could. Secondly, I could never even fathom the two wanting to part ways like that. If one of them were going to die, then I wouldn't except the other to just up and leave. And lastly, Crono is not the kind of person to succumb to a higher power. If anything he would have fought to the death, again.
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The point with Miguel=Crono is that it just dosen't make sense. The game would explain this rather clearly if it was true. Besides the fact Miguel's hair is mahogany brown and Crono's hair is red. Totally red. Not our definition red-hair. RED.
Playing Chrono Trigger we are only showed a small world with about 4-5 villages.
...Which is why I think there are villages and cities completly unshown. Imagine all society on earth would live in four, four cities! What sense does it make? El-Nido alone, which is a tiny place compared to the CT lands, and it alone has 4 cities\villages.
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I think that there's probably more townships under each Kingdom, but I dunno if I'd go so far as to say more cities and certainly not more Kingdoms...Plus, we know there'd have to be some farming communities and the like for each kingdom...
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I think that there's probably more townships under each Kingdom, but I dunno if I'd go so far as to say more cities and certainly not more Kingdoms...Plus, we know there'd have to be some farming communities and the like for each kingdom...
Yeah. Think of the World map as a simplified World Map. The Town of Truce wouldn't be that big, there would be more settlements scattered around Zenan, etc etc.
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Yeah, Like how you see heaps of houses in Legend of Zelda: OoT just that you cant go on them... Ooooo... Image a 3D Chrono Trigger for N64 XD Sweet.
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But the whole Crono = Miguel thing is assumed. The fact that they may be alive is easily proved through basic math and logic of what time things had to happen (fall of guardia, age of Kid, etc.) Its just not as simple and thats why I dont' believe it.
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In the end, it all comes down to us asuming this wild speculation and a few bits and pieces of evidence that aren't even solid and could easily be just co-incidence (or however u spell it ^_^).
And Crono and Marle may have seperated and parted in their ways to hide across the globe. Think about it. Marle could have gone into hiding way over in Choras or some small island way out to sea. Crono, the stronger and wiser one, goes to El Nido, where all the action is happening, he changes his name while at it, and takes his daughter with him.
And with the 'ghosts' or watever they are, i belive they are mere projections of the three time travellers minds, at this point in the game, they may have all been dead, communicating together in the after-life. And the reason they look young is because its for the gamers!! The gamers know that the time travellers are young, not looking different, its for us to recognize!!
~I could be wrong though... :lol:
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Miguel isn't Crono, just because of one fact: Crono has green/blue eyes while Miguel has brown eyes.
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So? Everyone knew the old Schala had blue hair and green eyes, now she has blonde hair and yellow eyes, and Kid her clone has blue eyes..
Magil has blue eyes whilst Magus has red eyes. Belthasar looks less older than he should have... Even Lavos looks weird...
There are countless possabilities. Without the possibilities, I couldn't back up my counter claim to the fact that Schala is blonde. Same with this. Since there is no real evidance to either side, we can only justify it to other swith claims and small evidance.
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So? Everyone knew the old Schala had blue hair and green eyes, now she has blonde hair and yellow eyes, and Kid her clone has blue eyes..
Schala's hair is a particular case, and Kid's eye color is the same as Schala's in CC.
The Crono ghost in CC has deep blue eyes instead of flash green eyes like in CT... but the fact is that in CC Schala is stated to be Schala and the Crono ghost isn't stated to be Crono. Miguel isn't stated to be Crono either, nothing even hints towards it at all and we must come up with huge "what if" and "what if" in order to connect him to Crono. If Square wanted us to think that he's Crono, they would have at least put some hints, like not changing his eye color from his color to the opposite color on the spectrum...
Magil has blue eyes whilst Magus has red eyes. Belthasar looks less older than he should have... Even Lavos looks weird...
Magus obviously can change his appearance. Belthasar doesn't look any younger, any little difference could be either be attributed to the change in character design or to the fact that health is much better in the prosperous future than in the ruined one. Lavos looks weird, but Lavos is weird anyway. He already had more than 3 forms in CT (counting the alien thingies and the bits) so it's not surprising that his dead corpse merged with parts of the Mammon Machine plus Schala plus the Dragon God would also look different...
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At least one person agrees with me that its too much of a stretch.
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I like the theory myself, but I do agree it's a bit of a stretch. But before CC or RD came out, how many people can honestly say they expected Porre to take down Guardia? The way we speculate is the same way writers brainstorm. I'm playing through CC again right now, and I do find myself doubting it more and more.
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I like the theory myself, but I do agree it's a bit of a stretch. But before CC or RD came out, how many people can honestly say they expected Porre to take down Guardia? The way we speculate is the same way writers brainstorm. I'm playing through CC again right now, and I do find myself doubting it more and more.
Maybe Porre had some super strong person, along the lines of Achilles (who is so badass.) Or maybe they had a super strong mystic who ruled the battlefield with magic. It is just one of those things we'll never know unless the CC makers tell us.
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At least one person agrees with me that its too much of a stretch.
Hey, don't I get any love?
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At least one person agrees with me that its too much of a stretch.
Hey, don't I get any love?
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@ Chrono' 99
Schala's eyes are yellow...
(http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/4851/picture2357lp.jpg)
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Look teal to me.
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Yeah, it looks more on the blue spectrum than the yellow...
Oh, I also heard that Lavos didn't merge w/the Mammon Machine in the Japanese version, but w/the fact that the NA release tried to clarify things more, perhaps Lavos was supposed to?
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Ok, two. Sorry Sentenal.
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At least one person agrees with me that its too much of a stretch.
I like the theory myself, but I do agree it's a bit of a stretch.
Yeah, of course it is, JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE WE DISCUSS HERE AT THE COMPENDIUM. Seriously, if we took a poll on how much stuff here isnt a stretch, id doubt it would get a high percentage. We have discussed so much stuff (me and V_T still come to disagreements about the Balloon Ending in CT being the true ending), and so much of it far-fetched, the Fall of Guardia IS a perfect example.
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I don't know if I'd cal everything else far-fetched...I mean, we normally try and base things off of evidence, common sense, and reason.
Also, I call it the 'true' ending, but realize that others do not. I call it thus because it's the most "ending" (i.e. there's really nothing left for Crono & Co. to do). The other endings leave strings that can be closed open...
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At least one person agrees with me that its too much of a stretch.
I like the theory myself, but I do agree it's a bit of a stretch.
Yeah, of course it is, JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE WE DISCUSS HERE AT THE COMPENDIUM. Seriously, if we took a poll on how much stuff here isnt a stretch, id doubt it would get a high percentage. We have discussed so much stuff (me and V_T still come to disagreements about the Balloon Ending in CT being the true ending), and so much of it far-fetched, the Fall of Guardia IS a perfect example.
LC, I don't thinks that its all tough to swallow. I just think the Miguel = Crono part is more "out of thin air" than usual for here. There really are no clues at all that Miguel is Crono that make sense or are pointed out to you. I've seen more people on the forum make better arguments and provide better evidence against Miguel being Crono. I do, however, believe that Guardia fell and that Marle and Crono are still alive and that Lucca may be dead or w/e.
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At least one person agrees with me that its too much of a stretch.
I like the theory myself, but I do agree it's a bit of a stretch.
Yeah, of course it is, JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE WE DISCUSS HERE AT THE COMPENDIUM. Seriously, if we took a poll on how much stuff here isnt a stretch, id doubt it would get a high percentage. We have discussed so much stuff (me and V_T still come to disagreements about the Balloon Ending in CT being the true ending), and so much of it far-fetched, the Fall of Guardia IS a perfect example.
Most theorys on the Compendium is based on facts from the game, reason, and logic. The Crono=Miguel theory is built on assumtions, and what ifs.
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Thank you. I feel like I'm going crazy over this! People seem like they are ignoring obvious things wrong with it and are calling me crazy!
dododododoo
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I know the fall of Guardia happens in 1005 AD, but is it possible that it's not totally destroyed? What I mean by this is on one of the New Game + endings of CC, Kid becomes leader of the Dragoons and goes on to conquer, first, Guardia. If Guardia has already totally fallen, then is it just a Porre military district or is it still up and running?
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It wasn't completely destroyed. Porre over-threw it. Its still some sort of Soverign state, but not peaceful. They probably installed a puppet government, and is dealing with insurgants.
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If you look from a RD point of view, Crono is dead.
In RD, next to the end of scenario1, if you ask Kid "Why are we after the Frozen Flame?"
She'll say:
"I made a promise with my big sis... to get the Frozen Flame, and bury it for her...
[...]At her old friend's grave...
[...]I was still little at the time, so I can't remember much of it... But there was this friend of hers who she'd grown
up with, who died a while back. She said she wanted him to be able to rest with the Frozen Flame..."
I think that she is talking about Crono anyway~
EDIT: just to add, since I don't think that the fall of Guardia was planned back when RD was made, I think the ending where Crono dies in CT is the real one. Reviving him was just a side quets anyway~
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Isn't RD seperate from CT and CC (as in, doesn't it occur in a different dimension or something than the two)? If it was directly connected, then wouldn't Kid and Serge have already known each other, among more differences? Mind you, I haven't yet played RD, so I could be completely wrong >_>.
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It could be that the Fall wasn't planned when CT was out, but why not for when RD came out? There are other things pointing to the Fall in RD as well...
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There are other things pointing to the Fall in RD as well...
Hn...guess I'll have to play it after all.
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Why would you think than an incomplete ending would be the real one? Incomplete as in you havn't done everything.
And the PSX ending proves that Crono is supposed to be alive, with him marrying Marle and all.
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Yeah, but the Fall was most likely after their marriage.
Also, RD is a different dimension. But it's totally the same, except that Schala was reincarnated instead and Lavos never could attatch himself with Schala. Hence Belthasar didn't need to look for Schala. And the FF first appeared, connecting itself with the Mammon Machine.
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Uh, the Fall was after their marriage, but the sequence was irrelevent to Sentenal's statement...
Oh, and there are plenty of other differences from RD to CC...For starters, the Frozen Flame itself is completely different in both games.
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Not exactally true. The FF in RD is 2d. The FF in CC is 3D and shown in an FMV. The FF in RD is a jewel, in CC it's said to be a powerful Jewel aswell. Since RD was also the basis to get CC of it's feet, the change can be obvious. But besides that, they are the same, with new features. Simply with this Flame, Schala didn't get reincarnated. But most of the pre-history is the same.
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But most of the pre-history is the same.
The most obvious discrepancy being that in RD, it was Melchior who forged the Einlanzer as a twin to the Masamune, while in CC the forgers were Dragonians who didn't even knew about the Masamune.
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Why would you think than an incomplete ending would be the real one? Incomplete as in you havn't done everything.
it's complete since reviving Crono is a sidequest.
Isn't RD seperate from CT and CC (as in, doesn't it occur in a different dimension or something than the two)
It doesn't really matter, I was talking about a RD point of view. In RD, he is dead.
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My comment about the PSX ending was to prove that the true ending of CT has Crono alive.
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PSX came after SNES.
And also, do ALL of the PSX endings got Crono alive? If they all do, then you're right.
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All the endings? I'm talking about the cutscene you get when you fully beat the game.
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CT got 13 different endings afaik. Dunno how many of them got cutscenes in the PSX version.
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PSX came after SNES.
That's precisely why the PSX version is truer than the SNES one.
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PSX came after SNES.
That's precisely why the PSX version is truer than the SNES one.
Not really. Both are the same. The PSX one just adds something to the ending where Crono is alive.
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Reviving Crono isn't a sidequest. Just because you can finish the BO after he dies dosen't mean anything. Reviving Crono is a part of the main quest, and everything after that is a sidequest... Except for the battle against Lavos, yes? Anyhow, you ought to think that bringing back Crono isn't so important... It's the process that matters. And a Time Egg really is something! And the Time Egg appears in Radical Dreamers, too. Being as you can finish Lavos through the BO without speaking to Gaspar, it means nothing, no?
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You may be right, since you can finish CT at anytime of the game pretty much, there aren't side quests.
It still doesn't change the fact that Crono is dead in RD, though. ;p
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There are questions of RD's continuinty.
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But most of the pre-history is the same.
The most obvious discrepancy being that in RD, it was Melchior who forged the Einlanzer as a twin to the Masamune, while in CC the forgers were Dragonians who didn't even knew about the Masamune.
Possibly, or it could be in a metaphorical sence. Like as if the Masamune and Einlanzer were both made out of dreamstone, they're basically brothers. The Dragonians could have still made the Einlanzer later, and the Masamune being made before in RD. The Einlanzer probably wasn't touched by the even of Lavos, so it stayed holy.
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Not exactally true. The FF in RD is 2d. The FF in CC is 3D and shown in an FMV. The FF in RD is a jewel, in CC it's said to be a powerful Jewel aswell. Since RD was also the basis to get CC of it's feet, the change can be obvious. But besides that, they are the same, with new features. Simply with this Flame, Schala didn't get reincarnated. But most of the pre-history is the same.
The FF in RD is 3D. And since RD isn't part of the CT/CC universe, it's not a good idea to bring it into storyline discussion, so let's drop it >_>
The most obvious discrepancy being that in RD, it was Melchior who forged the Einlanzer as a twin to the Masamune, while in CC the forgers were Dragonians who didn't even knew about the Masamune.
Wasn't Einlanzer created to counterbalance Masamune's evil?
it's complete since reviving Crono is a sidequest.
The Compendium assumes that all sidequests are canon for the sake of convienence. Not to mention that the ressurection of Crono is a story arc in of itself. (if you save, it says "The Time Egg" On your file, not "Final Battle")
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And since RD isn't part of the CT/CC universe, it's not a good idea to bring it into storyline discussion, so let's drop it >_>
Uhm what? Since when?
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CC pretty much over writes RD in terms of what we discuss, and RD could have simply been a simulation used by Belthasar to test Project Kid.
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I don't think that theory has enough proof...Most people believe it (that of RD that you see in Chronopolis) was a glimpse into another timeline, not a simulation...Kind of like an Easter egg for those who got to play RD...
RD is as much a part of the series as CC is...They both take place after the Fall of Guardia (which I may remind is New Game+ material). But that doesn't matter. Every Chrono game starts in a new timeline, even CT.
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and Radical Dreamers has discrepencies not even timeline related, like character design and such, which kinda bork stuff up.
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and Radical Dreamers has discrepencies not even timeline related, like character design and such, which kinda bork stuff up.
There are also Magil's and Lynx's identities. That's too much for RD to be a splinter of the CT/CC universe.
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So guys.
RD is in a timeline that happens after CT.
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Are some people not listening. It's obvious that RD is a seperate dimension, and that is why it is a different dimension.
But alot of the stuff in it is the same. There's a FF, Magic exists, Element's exist, names are simply different but I'm pretty sure Grezenbul was just an early name for Termina.
Ofcourse, story wise, it is different and yet the same. Remember, RD is a different game, but was used as a scenario for CC. From RD, they were going to build up on that story, but decided to change it a bit since they just had to.
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Meh, I see it as they just decided to rehash what they had in RD...I mean, why not? It's all good. 8)
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Element's exist,
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So guys.
RD is in a timeline that happens after CT.
Regionna doesn't exist in CT/CC.
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Regionna doesn't exist in CT/CC.
Regionna might be an early name for Arni. Or Termina. The Viper Clan ruled both.
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and Radical Dreamers has discrepencies not even timeline related, like character design and such, which kinda bork stuff up.
I'd just like for you guys to read this agian. Since they MUST have overlooked it.
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Yea, like a blonde, minstrel Serge? WTF? That's only the tip of the ice berg, because I doubt Schala's reincarnation/cloning makes a difference on Serge's occupation.
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Regionna doesn't exist in CT/CC.
Arni doesn't exist in CT.
Your point?
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There is a reason for that. El Nido's creation is a result of the saved future. It wasn't in the original timeline. Thats why its not in CT.
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There is a reason for that. El Nido's creation is a result of the saved future. It wasn't in the original timeline. Thats why its not in CT.
Exactly. And where do you think that Regionna was in?
Yep, El Nido.
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Regionna is in El Nido based on...what exactly?
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Ok you got me. =(
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pwnt
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RD is in a timeline that happens after CT.
Regionna doesn't exist in CT/CC.
Do you really think that the entire world only contains four towns? Just because Regionna is not displayed on the world map doesn't mean it cannot exist somewhere.
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The world map is all the contenents and countrys, just condensed. We know this because you can do a 360 around the world, and not find anymore countrys. Regionna is a country in RD, correct? Its a non-existant one.
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Wrong. Where would the farming/agricultural communities be then, hm? The point goes to GrayLensman. Fourteen. Love...er.
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Its simplifed, so it doesn't show them. But the countrys are shown, because since the map is simplifed, only important locations are showed. Game evidence is on my side.
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Chrono Cross has Norris stating that with the Frozen Flame, Porre would withstand the "other major countries." He could just be talking about Medina and Choras, since Guardia is subdued, but it still sounds numerous.
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Well, Choras and Medina would be the other 2 major countrys, other than Guardia and Porre. And Guardia is still a somewhat soverign state.
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Just because the world map shows the major cities, I don't think this means that it shows everywhere where people can/do live. There could be multiple smaller communities or offshoots of kingdoms, like Truce, in other places...
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It doesn't show everywhere that people can/do live. Its simplified. But it shows the places of importance in the world. If Regionna existed, I believe that there would at least have been some representation of the map. It is a country, after all.
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Maybe Regionna just has no importance to Chrono's journey? Or maybe it's not just a colony of Guardia? Guardia's considered such a strong nation, the greatest nation in the world. Why shoulden't it have colonies?
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Regonnia seems to me like a prototype name for El Nido. Looking at the picture in RD, Viper Manor is right next to where Termina should be, but it is called Grezenbul. And the mountain looks like that excavation mountain place too.
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I have only played the first hour or so in rd; someone take a screenshot of the world map in rd.
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LOL..."world map in rd"...You're funny...You got that wit about you...Ever try standup? :P
Yeah, there is no world map in Radical Dreamers...mainly because there is no world to explore really...but, w/e...
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There's also a Forest next to RD's Viper Manor... Like CC's Shadow Forest... Like Zaper said, it's next to Termina's prototype town... Don't know about mountains... A screenshot would be helpful, Zaper.
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roflmao, RD world map. I just spilled my iced tea in my pants XD
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Anyone with half a brain would know she/he was talking about that image that shows Viper Manor and the forest. Not a map, more like a landscape view.
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Yea, but it's still funny.
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Thank You Knuck.
I never said world map.. I said the picture.. Obviousally. You can see the back of the manor, Termina to the right (It'd be left like on the world map of CC if we were looking at it forwards). And in the front you can kind of see a mountain, or atleast a hill.
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I have only played the first hour or so in rd; someone take a screenshot of the world map in rd.
This is what the were refering to, not you zaper.
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If I remember correctly, RD was sort of a Chrono Trigger spin off by accidect (the scenario writer hadn't planned it out as a sequel at first). Later, because RD was not widely played, they decided to redo RD proper, in the form of CC. This is according to an interview I believe I read in the Compendium.
Anyhow, in the same interview (with MK I believe?) I remember reading something about an outside force intervening and influencing Poore, but MK didn't want to go into it. Presuming that Crono and Marle were dead while the timeline in CC was split into Another and Home, then the real question is whether the outside influence still influences Poore after the events of CC (of course Lucca is alive, without the whole Schala interfering and bringing Serge into contact with the FF and Serge's father turing into Lynx thing). I wrote a couple of my theories down on some thread about Poore's militarism, I'd like to think that Belthasar was that outside force using Poore to help bring Serge to the point where he could save Schala, and then once Schala is rescued and the whole affair is unneccessary, he went back and undid Poore's militarism, allowing for a pretty happy ending. However, because of the somewhat vague ending, we can't really tell what happens (especially in relation to whether or not Chronopolis, FATE, and the Frozen Flame are still around spreading their influence in 1020 after CC, this would explain quite a bit I think, because though Project Kid is no longer needed, it was Chronopolis that created El Nido, and for Serge to live his life, El Nido needs to be around, however for him to live his life relatively unaffected FATE shouldn't meddle. (?)).
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If Crono,Marle,and Lucca are still alive in another world because with Serge dead Luccas house never is burned down and Kid and Lucca never meet anyone from El Nido. They are dead in Home World or so we believe. There is no evidence they are dead the ghost like you said could be doppelgangers. Once the split happen beteween both worlds Cronos team was affected.
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Wouldn't have Lucca been killed in both timelines? Lynx is in both, and he still needs the flame regardelss of dimension.
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It doesnt say that she is killed in both timelines she may be dead in Home world because it is a spin off from another world but in another world she may be still alive because Crono and CO do defeat Lavos.
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The group defeating Lavos would have no importance in whether or not Lucca was attacked because of the Prometheus Circuit.
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The point is that once the dimensions reunite, everything that happened from 1010-1020 would have been erased kinda for a fresh start.