Chrono Compendium
Zenan Plains - Site Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: flea plus on December 19, 2003, 03:54:44 am
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I go with sephiroth because he can turn into all mighty bizarro sephiroth!
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I give it to Lavos simply because he has no KotR/Omnislash-like weakness. It actually takes more then two rounds to take Lavos out, even at **.
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Hmm... I would normally say Lavos... but then it occurred to me that Sephiroth could do that big crazy Meteor spell and blow up the planet before Lavos is done "feeding". Tough call. Depends on the circumstances of the fight.
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You're thinking of the "Supernova" attack which can destroy the entire solar system multiple times.:roll: Meteor was a huge red planetoid summoned by the Black Materia which would wound the planet and allow Sephiroth to assimilate all of the Lifestream's spirit energy.
Lavos can genuinely destroy a planet and doesn't need the Black Materia to absorb all of its energy. I would like to see Sephiroth try to beat "Destruction Rains From The Heavens". Sephiroth would get blasted to dust just like poor Crono.
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It depends on where the battle is fought, amongst other conditions. Is the fight taking place on a planet Lavos has infected already and the energies of which he has at his beck and call, as he does when his chosen day comes? That is a deciding factor in deflecting Sephiroth's deadly meteors and other weapons before they ever even penetrate the planet's atmosphere. If the battle is fought on or after the planetary virus's Manifestation, Sephiroth will be helpless; otherwise, Lavos could be in trouble.
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Remeber it took 3 rounds to beat sephiroth 1 at bizarro sephiroth.The next round was at safer.And the final was just a no lose match between cloud and sephiroth.And if you seen the perview for ff7's movie on tech tv it shows cloud and sephiroth fighting in what was left of midgar.So maybe he's not dead.But maybe they made two sephiroth.Who knows we will find out when the movie comes out next summer.
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I believe the guy fighting Cloud is a clone of Sephiroth. The real one could be that hooded guy on a chair...
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Would Sephiroth be allowed to use materia, since it's not a natural ability of his? Lavos would just have natural abilities.
Either way, I think the match would go to Lavos.
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i like sephiroth but i think lavos is more powerful due to his power. he could even absorb sephiroth's DNA to evolve ! Yay
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i like sephiroth but i think lavos is more powerful due to his power. he could even absorb sephiroth's DNA to evolve ! Yay
And thus, Lavos wins.
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maybe but sephiroth evolve faster in the meteor crater than lavos in the earth core... (65,001,999 for L and a few week for S )
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Sephiroth can destroy all our solar system and burn the Earth surface by growing the sun, but he couldn't harm anybody this way :twisted: ... Lavos can rain destruction on the Earth from the ground and kill nearly all normal living beings that way!
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maybe but sephiroth evolve faster in the meteor crater than lavos in the earth core... (65,001,999 for L and a few week for S )
Check the theory of the pocket dimension.
I hate Sephiroth. He's going down.
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I could see Lavos using Materia as it originates from earthly materials kinda like Elements in CC...Er doesn't it? Well, thusly Lavos would have Knights of the Round, Sephiroth's big ol' nasty weakness.
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Whether or not materia originates from earthly materials is irrelevent. The fact remains that it's not a natural, inborn or evolved, ability of his. Lavos would just have his own natural and evolved abilities. If Lavos gets no outside help, then neither does Sephy. So what we have on our hands is a normal, though physically gifted, human against a planet-destroying tick. Really... no contest.
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Wait, who put that natural, inborn, evolved limitation on the battle Miss Tiger? I was just saying to contrast those who supposed the battle was WITH things like Materia and other abilities. Funny thing is, they both appear to survive their respective games and teams of heroes. Lavos as the DoT in CC and Seph-head in FF: AC.
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maybe but sephiroth evolve faster in the meteor crater than lavos in the earth core... (65,001,999 for L and a few week for S )
Check the theory of the pocket dimension.
I hate Sephiroth. He's going down.
It's a battle Vs Time and Space :shock:
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Wait, who put that natural, inborn, evolved limitation on the battle Miss Tiger? I was just saying to contrast those who supposed the battle was WITH things like Materia and other abilities. Funny thing is, they both appear to survive their respective games and teams of heroes. Lavos as the DoT in CC and Seph-head in FF: AC.
I just think it would be unfair to give Sephy the advantage of artificially produced abilities.
Well, whether they're allowed or not, Sephy still can't touch Lavos.
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maybe but sephiroth evolve faster in the meteor crater than lavos in the earth core... (65,001,999 for L and a few week for S )
Check the theory of the pocket dimension.
I hate Sephiroth. He's going down.
It's a battle Vs Time and Space :shock:
My point is, we don't know how long it would take Lavos to evolve.
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64988000 year minimum you can't fight L before the dark ages.
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Lavos may be gathering his power, but he is a terror even in prehistoric times. When is he at his most powerful in battle? At the ocean palace. An interesting thing, and leads me to believe that even in ancient times he had great power. I have never been much in favor of the entire idea of Lavos being a parasite and evolving and such. To me his is and always be a Dark Lord of a sort; boundless in evil and malice. I know it may be said that this is a great extrapolation and is but a loose opinion and is certainly not what was originally intended by the designers. I must stress, however, that many of the discussions pertaining to the timelines and origins of certain things, etc. that are discussed here are also but extrapolations and theories based on evidence, and likely do not coincide with the designers original intent. So please treat this idea with as much validity.
This being said I think that Lavos would defeat Sephiroth at any point. I have yet to understand what the fabled might of Sephiroth ever was. Interestingly the intent of both Lavos and Sephiroth was the same: both strove to drain whatever energy was in the earth and thereby grow stronger. The difference is, however, is that Lavos succeeded; Sephiroth did not. Sephiroth, though containing some Jenova DNA is still intrinsically human, whereas Lavos never was, and was in origin immortal. He began mighty, and died mighty. Sephiroth was never so powerful. To destroy worlds was Lavos' existance and being, to Sephiroth it was a goal he bethought only later. I would rather equate Sephiroth and Magus like in power; both may be seen as dark magicians, wielding great power and terror. They, I think, would be an even match. However when Magus summoned the demon Lavos to his fortress, he was defeated; only the timely intervention of Crono saved his life. So I maintain that Lavos was and always will be the mightier. Only through success of his meteor project could Sephiroth have hoped to best him.
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64988000 year minimum you can't fight L before the dark ages.
I think you mean "64988000 year maximum" :wink:
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64988000 year minimum you can't fight L before the dark ages.
I think you mean "64988000 year maximum" :wink:
You're right thanks for the correction
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<Lavos> Yum! *assimilates Sephy*
<Sephiroth> Nooo! Now I can't steal Aerith's body! ;_;
<Lavos> I pwn j00 now. *waves a katana, and accidently destroys itself*
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Wouldn't it be more like...
*Lavos' Core Shuts Off Defense*
Lavos: Oh nos! Not again!
Sephiroth: Mwah ha ha! *Stabs*
Left Bit Counters
Sephiroth: Ouchies!
*Dreamless*
*Meteor Thingy*
*Destruction Rains From the Heavens*
*Death to All*
And in the end, only the Entity wins. Hopefully Clod dies somehow too...
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Clod? Bit of a Freudian slip there, huh? Guess we learned your feelings on that character...
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Haha! I never slip on his name! I once heard someone call him that over in GameFAQs or something a HELLA long time ago and it stuck with me ever since...And yes, I don't like him, not at all...
But that's getting a bit off topic...sorta...THE ENTITY WOULD KEEL CLOD!
edit: Hey! I said "or something"! Now that I think about it...It was probably more like FFIsider.net or something...Seems like something Mighty_Peng_Con would say...He's like the only sane person over there...I should invite him here sometime...
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Just what this forum needs...More GameFAQs infuence.[/sarcasm]
Although this discussion is practically what their latest popularity contest is going to come down to in a few days.
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Here, my take on the physical manifestation of the Demon Lavos, as seen in the light of a Dark Lord:
(http://www.xioserv.com/Image/guardian777.Lavos_and_the_Flame.jpg)[/img]
Lavos has the Flame, and he has the might of the earth in his hands. In essense, Lavos is what Sephiroth was intending to become. But beyond that I deem him to be a master of shades and darkness, of trickery and such subtle guile that even the wisdom of the wisest is unknit; and the sight of his eyes would be terrible to behold.
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Uhm... Lavos is the Flame, but in a lot higher quantities. And that's not near the extent of his powers.
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Well, I take what it says to mean that the Flame is part of his technology. It says that it is a part of what fell from the sky (or something like that) in Chrono Trigger. But maybe it is, in the same way that you could say the Ring is Sauron. And the mention of his powers and stuff is just a near poetic way of saying it.
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Lavos is not to the Frozen Flame as Sauron is to the One Ring. Lavos has a billion other pieces of shell exactly like the Flame with it, and the only reason he cares about the Flame is because it's vital to his plan of evolving and then absorbing human DNA. Otherwise, the Flame couldn't matter less to Lavos. Whereas Sauron is little to nothing without the One Ring and his hordes.
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It never actually says that the Flame is just a part of the shell. It just says it is the essence of what fell onto the world in ancient times. Thus, if the Flame is the essence of Lavos, it could be likened to the Ring. The only reason the Ring is anything is because of Sauron's spellcraft with it, and that he chose to locate his spirit there. Before the ring was ever created, Sauron was a most terrible sorcerer, indeed. So too I imagine Lavos.
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Actually, it DOES say it is a part of Lavos...Anyone got the quotes handy?
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I think it says it is part of the "essence of what fell from the heavens in prehistoric times", though to be exact I think we would need to have ZeaLitY in on this (ZeaLitY, help us out here, please?). But, whatever; it's an artistic licence I took, that's all. I thought it looked neat, rather than the typical big porcupine. Plus it was a submission to a fanart contest where the topic was "the Frozen Flame", which itself is kind of boring.
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::Sephiroth unsheathes Masamune::
::Lavos spawns Jenova::
::Sephiroth falls to knees::
~FIN
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In an actual battle, sephiroth. I say this because of the speed he attacks with. In a real battle, he wouldnt stand still and wait to be attacked every turn. He'd be all over Lavos, and Lavos would die.
In a game style battle, Lavos would probably win, because Sephiroth never heals himself :P
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Actually, in a REAL battle, Lavos would still win because he wouldn't put down his defense, which would be the only way Sephy could put a dent in him at all.
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Why wouldn't Lavos put down his defense? In the battle against the Core, Lavos has to put down his defense to focus energy on using Active Life (the left bit is weak to physical attacks and only has 1500 hp or so). The right bit never heals itself so Sephiroth would win eventually.
But in my opinion Lavos would just disable any defense Sephiroth had (using Defensive Seal [sp?]) and use Spell/Random Status, eventually casting Stop on Sephy and giving him a Game Over.
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Nah, stop wouldnt work on Sephiroth. You can't nullify his defenses anymore than you can nullify Lavos' defence against stop (I'm assuming he has it. most bosses do)
And if you can (cause its just a game mechanic to prevent you from cheesing the bosses anyway), then they'd both be equal in the no statis protection department, except Sephiroth has Pale Horse..
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ich denk...nein. i dont think so. Besides, Lavos could just send Sephy into another time period if things became too heated. All sephiroth can do is...make a shadow of himself appear in places to bug people...