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Enhasa Halls - Chrono Series Analysis => Characters, Plot, and Themes => Topic started by: Dragoness on September 27, 2005, 01:01:08 am
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Disclaimer: I don't not really believe my own theory(That bad... :oops:), I might use it for a fanfiction, but this theory will not leave me alone unless I post it here(Not really.).
I am sorry if this theory has take too much of your time, and it might not be such of a theory.
Pardon, the grammar, I don't have a grammar checker. The spelling, I think is good. Forgive some of the words that are used in this theory, I am not much of a theory thinker, that tried to make it looked good.
Mods, Forgive me if I post this in the wrong part of the forums.
Onward to the theory!
Now, Everyone knows that Glenn from Chrono Cross isn't the same person as Chrono Trigger, and I am with almost everyone in thinking there isn't almost any way for Glenn to be the same person in Chrono Cross and Chrono Trigger. I didn't just contradict myself, did I?
The theory of how Glennes can be the same. ....Don't kill me?
One word: Reincarnation!
Now... I think, the Reincarnation of someone isn't suppose to remember its past, Right? And suppose to almost live the same life? or is that Incarnation?
So...Taking that into meaning or whatever, It would be suppose that Glenn from Chrono Cross won't KNOW that he is the reincarnation of Frog/Glenn...
So... in a sense, Glenn from Chrono Cross is(or could be.) Glenn from Chrono Trigger. :P
My own Counter argument:
1. They not the same person!
2. ....They used different legendary swords.
3. Not the same hair color or length.
4. Glenn from Chrono Cross can use two swords?
I am really bad at counter-argument.
The counter-counter agreement.
1. You don't know.
2. Um, I will get back to this, I think.
3. Who saids they have to THE same hair color/length?
4. True.
Then again, I never really read into Reincarnation and I did this for the heck of it
that or I wanna a think of a really silly theory.
I really shouldn't have read those thread in Analysis part of this forums... I think.
No wait, I had this idea before then, Nevermind that sentence above.
This is why I should not try to think of a theory, It likely to be insane.
That all for the theory, and I might add more to it.
It is good for being my first theory of Chrono series.
*Bows* Thank you for taking the time to read this theory.
Again, sorry if this is in the wrong forum.
edit: ....Fear the small theory. >_>
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It seems as if that were true there would be some hint to it...I mean, there really is no credit to such a theory other than they share a common name, and in CC it's stated that Glenn is simply named after a hero from legend (our pal Frog Glenn from CT obviously).
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Well i guess they realised how the character was alike and named him Glenn.
1. They're both Knights.
2. They both lost someone close to them after venturing for a Holy Sword.
3. Both have a crush on Royalty.
4. Both weild Holy Swords.
5. Has the double tech X-Strike with the main character.
It's probably considering that they really never mentioned him and wanted a character like him in the game.
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Well, it's like how people said that Serge is reincarnated from Janus, and that was why Schala heard him over others. There has been nothing to disprove this, but people think it'd doubtful, but can't explain why he's the chosen one by Schala.
Well, basically, there are 2 types of reincarnations.
1) This is the karma reincarnation. From what you did in your past life, it will affect what you will be in your next life, or the determination of what would happen. For instance, you kill a person in your past life, you may become a human but you will suffer pain and loss and be hurt and never have good things in life, and possibly die young. If you were really good in life to everyone and yourself, you can get reincarnated as someone rich and have a happy life or something similar like live as a rare tiger that gets all the attention etc.
2) This is the spirit reincarnation. Your spirit from your past life does not change, and in every reincarnation, you are born to a couple who have all the DNA qualities to remake you into something close to your old self. That's almost how God does his trick, matching up people to create YOU as he wants you :)
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V_Translanka: True.
....Wait! May I ask when they say that he was name after a hero?
I missed it. >_>
Zaperking: Very interesting.
Well, if Glenn was reincarnation of the other Glenn, #2 would seem more likely. :P
Now, if somehow this theory(Riiiight.) is right... I think I might blink and then cheer. >_>
Wrong: No skin off of my back.
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I tend to lean more on the SE trend that in their RPG series, there must be one signature name that gets passed on through each game (Cid, Bicks, Wedge etc.)
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Even after all this, you fail to address how the two Glenns share the same name.
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Aura, I'm not sure what you mean...It seems that they share the name like a man named Steve shares a name with all the other Steves in the world (If I'm understanding your statement correctly.)
Also, I don't see how a theory can be, "wrong," as it is NOT hard fact/data. Some theories can be stranger, and some that are considered "wrong" probably are not paying enough attention to the in game evidence, but I don't believe a theory is, "incorrect."
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I always thought (and still do) that CC's Glenn is just Square's way of showing: "See, there IS a Chrono Connection!" so they could keep you intrested. I mean, you see a green haired knight called Glenn, what would you think of first? That's what: "OMG! IS THAT FROG?!"
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Kazuki: True to that.
Any theory can work, until the hard cold facts kill it. :P
Aqua: Are you taking to me?
Hm, Let's me see..
Garai thought it would be a good idea to name his son after a hero and he couldn't possible know that his son is the reincarnation of the hero? :lol:
That was bad. >_>
....Remind me, next time I post a theory. Do a better job defending it or make a theory that isn't as this weird or whatnot theory.
I don't think I have to defend much if I ever get to posting some ideas why ZOAH wears that helmet.... or what he look like under it. >_>.... maybe.
Legend of the Past: Aye... I think when I saw Glenn, I was thinking.... Cool! ^_^
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We may have one instance of reincarnation in the series, the Zealian woman with the Seed of Life and Fiona.
I don't think I have to defend much if I ever get to posting some ideas why ZOAH wears that helmet.... or what he look like under it. >_>.... maybe.
Zoah is obviously the illegitimate son Zippa had with Radius, since the Devas are the sons and daughter of the former Devas:
Garai > Dario
Zappa > Karsh
Fargo > Marcy
Radius > Zoah.
:roll:
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We may have one instance of reincarnation in the series, the Zealian woman with the Seed of Life and Fiona.
I don't think I have to defend much if I ever get to posting some ideas why ZOAH wears that helmet.... or what he look like under it. >_>.... maybe.
Zoah is obviously the illegitimate son Zippa had with Radius, since the Devas are the sons and daughter of the former Devas:
Garai > Dario
Zappa > Karsh
Fargo > Marcy
Radius > Zoah.
:roll:
*blink* I would not have thought that... Hm. That might be reincarnation.
Being that I never really thought that Fiona could be a reincarnation.
O_o....So, That why he wear the helmet. He look like Zippa and Radius...O_o
They must have been drunk like heck. :P
Just joking! :P ....That would be interesting if Radius was ZOAH's father... and bloody weiiiiird. >_>
Though, I didn't think of Fargo as a Deva. :P
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Fargo was most likely a Diva, since he has connections with General Viper, Radius etc.
Also, I always did think Fiona was the reincarnation of that Zealian Woman. Her wish finally came true. She would be born in a time where there are forests, but her dream would not finish there. She would have to grow the trees in her next life, and thanks to the help of Robo, it happened. So maybe she got reincarnated into a nun in 1000AD? :)
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Fargo was most likely a Diva, since he has connections with General Viper, Radius etc.
Of what era? The new generation belongs to Marcy, Zoah, Karsh, and Dario, wheras the old was Viper, Radius, Zappa, and Garai. There is no room there for him to be a Deva, unless he was temporary, or something to that effect (or, maybe, the postions of Deva are not limited to four.) I've always felt that, seeing as he's a pirate (or, at least the one that has a grievance with Viper), that's where the issue lies. Viper is Lord of El Nido, and as such the power and law of the waters there. Fargo is a pirate who works contrary to the law, and likely had run-ins with Viper's dragoons who attempted to stop his piracy, perhaps even with Viper himself in that regard. That is what I always thought his connection was, and whence the hatred stems.
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General Viper controls what is seen to be El Nido, and that's not including Marbalue, Gildov and Arni. He basically only controls Termina and his own manor and the Dragoons.
Besides, Fargo turned into a pirate only in one dimension. And that was probably cuz he did it for the thrill, cuz Zelbless still died.
And since Fargo is from the mainland too, he definately wouldn't have come to El Nido without any reason, which is why I speculate that he was a Deva, and Viper was not. Viper is the general of everything, not a deva himself.
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all that small text crap
If you think about something stupid, don't bother using the tiny text. Just don't post it at all. I can understand a n00b making this mistake, but shame on you Chrono'99.
I always thought (and still do) that CC's Glenn is just Square's way of showing: "See, there IS a Chrono Connection!" so they could keep you intrested. I mean, you see a green haired knight called Glenn, what would you think of first? That's what: "OMG! IS THAT FROG?!"
Maybe if CC's Glenn had green hair that'd make sense...
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They just did that so you would at least know that there was a piece of Chrono Trigger in it. Connection sucked though.
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Nightmare it doesn't really matter in my opinion if they were trying to connect the games through Glenn and failed...there are many other BETTER connections anyhoo.
About the Devas...I always assumed that Fargo had connections with some of the Devas due to him being a pirate and Viper's men looked like a good target. Considering Viper's a very wealthy man, after all.
And I'm glad somebody made a comment about the tiny text...it was getting a tad annoying.
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About the names, I just find it ridiculously unlikely to share a soul and name with someone. Maybe one or the other, but not both. Unless the parents had clairovoyant powers, which isn't exactly common in Chronoverse.
Also, on what merit would you base a reincarnation? The two Glenns have little to nothing in common. They look nothing alike, they have different aspirations, and OH! Just thought about something. If Glenn of CT reincarnates into Glenn of CC, that means that he could've been reincarnated into someone on the Zenan mainland if there was no El Nido...meaning FATE failed at keeping the timeline the same. And...wow. I'll just let you guys carry on from there. I'm starting to get an idea for a fanfiction. Frog's lack of reincarnation=Fall of Guardia? :O XD
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Sorry about the small font size text... and forgive me. *Hangs her head in shame*
I will not do that again... as much as I did here. >_>
(off topic... I think.)Now about the Devas, I am looking at what Karsh said about Viper.
Karsh:
The general is the head of
the Viper clan and has governed
these islands for generations.
Karsh:
But that's not all.
When he was ordered to
take up a new post
on the main continent,
he made quite an impact
as the leader of the
Acacia Dragoons and
was promoted to general.
Karsh:
He has retired from the
army since then and currently
serves as the lord of El Nido.
Hm, It look like Viper could have been a Deva, and maybe Fargo took over after Viper got promoted to general.
Aura: ....Heh, I got say you are true about that.
Gah, I am bad at defending this theory... must get better.
Note to self: Next time I do a theory do a better job defending it and I really shoudn't have waste my time and everyone else time with this theory. >_<
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The quote about Glenn being named a famous hero from the past literally doesn't exist. I organized the entire script of Chrono Cross and didn't see anything remotely like it. It's a Gamefags fabrication.
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Alright! So that why I never saw it before. :P
It came from GameFAQ. :P
I guess.... if you wanna go from it in a story line way, Glenn(CC one)'s parents just like the name.
(I think the reason I am not doing a good job defending this theory might be that myself don't really think this is right. >_>)
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Fargo was most likely a Diva, since he has connections with General Viper, Radius etc.
Of what era? The new generation belongs to Marcy, Zoah, Karsh, and Dario, wheras the old was Viper, Radius, Zappa, and Garai. There is no room there for him to be a Deva, unless he was temporary, or something to that effect (or, maybe, the postions of Deva are not limited to four.) I've always felt that, seeing as he's a pirate (or, at least the one that has a grievance with Viper), that's where the issue lies. Viper is Lord of El Nido, and as such the power and law of the waters there. Fargo is a pirate who works contrary to the law, and likely had run-ins with Viper's dragoons who attempted to stop his piracy, perhaps even with Viper himself in that regard. That is what I always thought his connection was, and whence the hatred stems.
Fargo may have had his run-ins with Viper due to him being a law-breaker, but their hate seems too personal. Maybe it had something to do with Zelbess' death, and Fargo somehow faulted Viper for it?
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Fargo seems to have ties with Luccia, and he knows that Marcy is in her care, and even Irenes knows about it.
Why would Fargo give Marcy to viper to become a Deva under Luccia is he hated Viper?
And then theres Nikki, Fargo's homosexual son Oo
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The quote about Glenn being named a famous hero from the past literally doesn't exist. I organized the entire script of Chrono Cross and didn't see anything remotely like it. It's a Gamefags fabrication.
What the...but...but I never based that on anything I'd heard at GameFAGs (wait a minute...that's an entirely DIFFERENT site...>_>)...I-I saw that myself during gameplay...
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Fargo seems to have ties with Luccia, and he knows that Marcy is in her care, and even Irenes knows about it.
Why would Fargo give Marcy to viper to become a Deva under Luccia is he hated Viper?
And then theres Nikki, Fargo's homosexual son Oo
Wait...there's in-game evidence that Fargo has connections with Luccia? I missed that then...
Fargo is Nikki + Marcy's father!? Where was that mentioned?
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Well, you learned that Fargo is Nikki's father by doing the Song of Marbule quest. ...At least starting it. >_>....From what I remember.
And... if you have Nikki in your group when you first meet Marcy, Nikki will make a comment that she look like his mother and that there is no doubt that she is his sister.(If you want me to.. I will post the script. :P)
As for Luccia... I think I have to scan the script.
For I didn't notice it either. :P
Found it! ....at least a bit of it. >_>
Irenes:
Luccia...
Pleäse look äfter Marcy.
Luccia:
Of course...
But vot dat child really
needs is a loving family.
I cannot provide dat...
Irenes:
Marcy...
Irenes:
Could yoü be, Marcy...?
Yoü look very much like
yöur mötter...Zelbess...
Marcy:
You knew my mom...?
Irenes:
Jä, I knew her very well.
She was a fine person...
I knöw, för I am her sister.
Marcy, yoü should be very
pröud of your mötter...
Marcy:
......
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Yes, I remember Nikki + Marcy being related (my first playthrough I went the Nikki-Korcha path), but as I haven't been able to see the Song of Marbule quest in either of my playthroughs, that information hasn't been relayed to me. That is interesting...
P.S. For the love of god, chill with the " :P " smilies. They're grating on my nerves >_>.
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Yes, I remember Nikki + Marcy being related (my first playthrough I went the Nikki-Korcha path), but as I haven't been able to see the Song of Marbule quest in either of my playthroughs, that information hasn't been relayed to me. That is interesting...
P.S. For the love of god, chill with the " :P " smilies. They're grating on my nerves >_>.
Aye, it is.
....I didn't even know their were related.... until, I noticed it in the script. *Wonder if she should sweat drop at herself*
(What? I went with Pierre's path.)
P.S I will stop using the ' :P ' smiles so much.
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Fargo didn't entrust Marcy to Luccia, he thought she died in birth along with Zelbess, and I guess Luccia was present in the birth and took her on Zelbess' request.
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Fargo seemed like he knew it all. He even knew he was Nikki's father, just didn't care much anymore because he lost Zelbess. Same with Marcy. He probably knew, just didn't care.
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Just a random thought after not playing CC for...well...a long time now...But is it mentioned that Fargo is Marcy's father? I mean, we know that Marcy & Nikki are sister and brother and that they share the same mother...but do they necessarilly share the same father???
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Yeah, Irenes talked to Fargo about it. She said something like "don't you even remember your own daughter? Luccia took her in when Zelbess passed away, and you didn't want to see your own daughter because she reminded you of her" something to that extent.
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I just played throught that part last night on my third playthrough and yeah...the conversation between Nikki and Fargo reveals that to be the case. Fargo also owns the dresser that Nikki's mother used to own, with the scratchs that Nikki made or something like that.
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Yeah. I bet he tried putting on her make up and stuff, then his father caught him and he fell and his nails scratched the cabinet. Besides the point that he was in his moms clothing and Fargo gave him a beating XD
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i really think that Fargo and Nikki were just a waste of memory on the disc, just the story anyways, nothing really major happens with either of them, and Nikki is just kinda weird. I mean, how did Marcy end up where she's at, and Nikki go off and be a cross dressing rock star, who can't do any good moves but suck.
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I like Nikki, he like shoots people with his guitar. That is pretty badass.
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yeah, too bad he looks like whinier, more gay version of Marylin Manson, and who the hell would chose him in any battle when you could have Guile? Or even after that, i would never use someone who looks like they have gender confusion and whose techs basically suck.
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I found him in my first playthrough, thats why.
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I always chose Guile, plot wise anyway because he still reminds me of Magus.
Anyone notice that in Chronopolis when the Radical Dreamers stuff comes on, Kid says that those people were her crew? In other words - Serge and Guiles..
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Magil actually... not Guile(s). :)
Me... I pick Pierre for the first time through. >_>(I was trying to use him with every boss battle I could use him in... and I MADE IT! *Grin*)
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With the Time Shifter, GrandFinale is one of the more awesome looking Techs in the game. Talk about a performance!
But honestly, how can you complain about the power of any of the characters Techs when you can pick the suckiest character of the lot (you decide) and still breeze through it?
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reincarnation doesnt work like that. just coz you were a knight one time doesnt mean you'll be a knight in your next life. Reincarnation doesnt neccessesarily mean you'll be human again. Glenn could have reincarnated into an actual frog and then after that maybe one of the random encounters along the way. OMG you killed Glenn! If you think about reincarnation more religiously than logical or scientifically than Glenn being a good person despite his circumstances in CT would have reincarnated into a higher form rather than the same thing. Frog/Glenn maybe The time devourer or Dragon. Who knows? Even though that is very unlikely.
Remember its a japanese game and it religious connections are more earth and universal worship rather than karma or god like.
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reincarnation doesnt work like that. just coz you were a knight one time doesnt mean you'll be a knight in your next life. Reincarnation doesnt neccessesarily mean you'll be human again. Glenn could have reincarnated into an actual frog and then after that maybe one of the random encounters along the way. OMG you killed Glenn! If you think about reincarnation more religiously than logical or scientifically than Glenn being a good person despite his circumstances in CT would have reincarnated into a higher form rather than the same thing. Frog/Glenn maybe The time devourer or Dragon. Who knows? Even though that is very unlikely.
Remember its a japanese game and it religious connections are more earth and universal worship rather than karma or god like.
Anime/Japanese game reincarnation laws are different. Usually, when one is reincarnated, they are reincarnated closely in looks and do something that they may have done in their former life, hence they get more power that way. eg (Inuyasha - Kikyo and Kagome.)
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I always thought (and still do) that CC's Glenn is just Square's way of showing: "See, there IS a Chrono Connection!" so they could keep you intrested. I mean, you see a green haired knight called Glenn, what would you think of first? That's what: "OMG! IS THAT FROG?!"
Agreed! Just as the promotional screenshots showed a OMG IS THAT GUARDIA CASTLE (the Viper Manor's moonlit walk across the brdge) OMG IS THAT 65 MILLION BC (Gaia's Navel, complete with lil' Ayla) OMG IS THAT 2300 AD (the Dead Sea) and OMG IS THAT BALTHASAR (yep :P )