Chrono Compendium
Enhasa Halls - Chrono Series Analysis => Lavos, the Planet, and other Entities => Topic started by: PhantomBPR on September 22, 2005, 01:42:56 pm
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If Magus summond Lavos in 600AD, then why didn't Lavos destroy the world then? I have my own ideas, but I want to hear yours.
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The main belief is that Lavos had not drained enough energy from the planet yet, and that it was only getting rid of Magus because he was summoning it.
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And the fact that he wasn't ready to reproduce yet. Lavos' goal isn't to destroy the world, but to reproduce and give better genes to his children. If he has to take down a planet to do that, so be it.
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That's only your own thought. I would have thought that yeah, Lavos needs offspring like everything, but once it has enough energy, he'd probably want to leave the planet again.
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That's only your own thought. I would have thought that yeah, Lavos needs offspring like everything, but once it has enough energy, he'd probably want to leave the planet again.
I don't see how this disagrees with Aura's post...
What he's saying is that Lavos's main goal = reproduction, not world destruction. That's just a by-product of the whole process. You're saying he'll want to leave the planet after producing offspring; well yeah, he probably will due to the exhausted resources/energies of the current planet he resides on. I don't see how you're disagreeing with anybody (which is implied when you say, "That's only your own thought.")
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It is my belief that Magus had merely drawn himself into the Lavos pocket dimension.
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Yeah, I don't think a hero slain Magus but instead he was slain by Lavos when he was trying to summon him. The hero probably... I dunno, just said that he killed Magus. Whatever. I am referring to the Lavos timeline, not the Crono and co. one...
But uh, yeah. Lavos wasn't ready to destroy the world yet and decided to wait before he became a blossoming woman. Oh yeah. <3
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Yeah, I don't think a hero slain Magus but instead he was slain by Lavos when he was trying to summon him. The hero probably... I dunno, just said that he killed Magus. Whatever. I am referring to the Lavos timeline, not the Crono and co. one...
A given. Considering nobody was there to stop Magus from summoning Lavos, it's obvious that the story of a hero killing him was fabricated when they realized that he had disappeared off of the face of the Earth.
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Contradicting my previous theory, perhaps Frog would have gone to slay Magus. His self-asteem might have plummeted after Crono and co. helped him. Some people's pride works like that. He might have gone to the bar because he was feeling lowly, where he dropped the Hero Medal.
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Which timeline? If you're referring to the Lavos timeline, we can somewhat safely say that Magus was killed by Lavos, as there wasn't anybody to interrupt his summoning (it would be impossible for the Masamune to be forged without Crono and crew.'s time travelling).
In the Keystone timelines, that's up in the air...with no real evidence pointing towards or against.
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Although Frog may have played a large role had Crono and co not have been there (in the original timeline), I think it would have been limited to the Battle of Zenan Bridge. The story of the Hero was what people in 600ad talked about, and predicted would save them. The people in 1000ad (to my knowledge) never said a Hero defeated Magus.
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The people in 1000ad (to my knowledge) never said a Hero defeated Magus.
Good point Sentinal. I was merely theorizing. It is my belief that Magus figured out a spell to go to the Lavos PD. But this raises a question, if Magus can travel beyond time, you would think he would be able to travel to a different time and space coordinate. He would be able to travel to The End of Time, the time of Zeal's downfall, he could go back to the Ocean Palace and rescue Schala.
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Magus was said to have summoned Lavos, not transport himself to Lavos.
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It's very simple why he didn't destroy the planet when magus summoned him. I'll use this analogy. When you are sleeping and a fly lands on your face, you just swat it off. You don't wake up in a rage and destroy your room. Magus was a fly that interupted his sleep.
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It's very simple why he didn't destroy the planet when magus summoned him. I'll use this analogy. When you are sleeping and a fly lands on your face, you just swat it off. You don't wake up in a rage and destroy your room. Magus was a fly that interupted his sleep.
Brilliant accuracy, my good sir. I couldn't have described it better myself.
I did have a thought, though: what if it was indeed possible for Frog to defeat Magus, on his own, without the Masamune? He did it in 12,000 BC (if you so chose), though granted he was (potentially) alot stronger because of his travels with Crono and crew. But who's to say Frog didn't level up for days and days in Magus' castle, eventually becoming more powerful than he probably would've been had Crono and crew fought with him, along with the use of the Masamune??
:wink:
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I did have a thought, though: what if it was indeed possible for Frog to defeat Magus, on his own, without the Masamune? He did it in 12,000 BC (if you so chose), though granted he was (potentially) alot stronger because of his travels with Crono and crew. But who's to say Frog didn't level up for days and days in Magus' castle, eventually becoming more powerful than he probably would've been had Crono and crew fought with him, along with the use of the Masamune??
:wink:
Lavos didn't absorb Magus' energy yet, so it was unlikely that Frog could beat him without the Masamune sword.
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I don't believe I heard that Lavos absorbed his energies. The analogy with the fly makes sense.
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I could swear that in the Ocean Palace Magus says something like "Aggh! He's draining my power!" Something like that. Probably just to account for the fact that he's suddenly a weakling compared to his former self when he joins you, but still.
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Read the script, guys.
QUEEN: Come Prophet, feel the power
of Lavos!
Magus: Ungh!
Magus: Aaah!!
My powers are being drained!
Magus: Unghh...
I won't...be beaten!
I survived the darkness to defeat
you, Lavos!
Magus: Take this, Lavos!
Aaugh!!
Magus: Wh, what...?
It doesn't work?!
Aughhh!!
QUEEN: Foolish one!
Your measly power can't touch
Lavos!
QUEEN: This is from me to you!
You shall enjoy eternal life...
...as part of Lavos!
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Yep. Thought so.
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So that's why Magus has about a tenth of his health and MP when he joins you....
Ahh...I'm sorry, I can't exactly remember why I said I don't believe Lavos absorbed his energies.
Magus probably wasn't drawn into the Lavos PD, as it is stated in Belthasar's dome that he was summoned. Therefore, I stand by the fly analogy.
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So that's why Magus has about a tenth of his health and MP when he joins you....
Actually, if you choose to fight him on North Cape, he still has the high hp/mp. That would have been interesting, however, if that Square had *planned* it that way, as opposed to the random toning down. Though, his magic power isn't decreased, is it?
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So that's why Magus has about a tenth of his health and MP when he joins you....
Actually, if you choose to fight him on North Cape, he still has the high hp/mp. That would have been interesting, however, if that Square had *planned* it that way, as opposed to the random toning down. Though, his magic power isn't decreased, is it?
I don't know about his magic power at North Cape, but he doesn't use magic elemental barriers and counterattacks that time.
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He also doesn't use Geyser. 8)
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I think he doesnt use Darkmatter(at least not vs. frog), he maybe lost it with his power. I think his HP, MP, Magic power etc. are higher if u fight him, just donno why(plotwise).
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That's only your own thought. I would have thought that yeah, Lavos needs offspring like everything, but once it has enough energy, he'd probably want to leave the planet again.
Greeting's yo!
Anyways, I'll respectfully disagree with that Lavos will have wanted to leave the planet. Well, perhaps a half truth. He may have wanted to leave the planet, but his mass totally disables that theory. Those spikes on his body may help him to dig around in the core, but I do doubt that he'd be able to get himself air born.
Contra-wise, this does give some credibility to how Lavos got to the planet in the first place and why he was sucking up all that energy of the planet. When Lavos finally surfaces, the first thing he does is unleash a wild pin missle attack upon the 'entire' planet. I'm more or less inclined to believe that the pin missles were Lavos Spawn, or perhaps a lavae/egg form. If the missle attack was enough to rain destruction upon the entire planet, then it doesn't seem to be a far fetched idea to me that some of his missles would escape the atmosphere. Concivably, it takes a lot of energy to send our rockets into space, so why not thousands of years of planet abosrbsion to send a million lavos spawn all at once in random and simultanious directions.
I also seem to remember a theory I read a while back how Lavos, or at least the remains of him durring that time line, made up Death Peak.
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Well, the only thing is that Lavos used that same attack on Zeal in 13,000 and on Crono and co. Actually, the Spawn are those little Krackers most likely who fall down Death Peak.
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Lavos clearly has no will to leave the planet. It's not his nature. Lavos comes to a planet, cultivates evolution, assimilates DNA and energy, then finally reproduces and dies as his spawn repeat the cycle. He's an animal of godly power. His will is to eat and reproduce. That's it.
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Does anyone consider the idea that Lavos has left his shell to rain on Death Peak? I'd be willing to bet that since he can hover (in the final battle) he'd be in the sky on Death Peak's Summit. That's why Death Peak's Summit has that power. Perhaps, he reigns as a sort of living energy if you will, giving the very air power.
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Where is it proven that Lavos can float a la one does when they tread water? Whenever you fight him, he's firmly implanted on the ground (otherwise, how would Crono and Co. be able to fight him? They may be powerful, but they can't fly. If they could, then the wing addition to the epoch is pointless.)
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Btw, where does lavos reign at the Death peak? I know it's mentioned, but I thought you were at the highest point while reviving Crono.(Maybe he toke this 300 years to climb up/dig into the mountain)
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Some people interpret that Lavos IS Death Mountain.
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But that would be very unusual since Lavos is nowhere near that large when it is seen in retrospect to the overworld maps. I wouldn't say it isn't inside or on top of the mountain, but the entire mountain can not be just Lavos's shell.
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But that would be very unusual since Lavos is nowhere near that large when it is seen in retrospect to the overworld maps. I wouldn't say it isn't inside or on top of the mountain, but the entire mountain can not be just Lavos's shell.
It *could* be. Who knows what process is involved in flinging Lavos Spawn to other worlds? Maybe his shell HAD to expand to accomadate the breeding process...
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Lavoid pregnancy. LOL
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Lavos also didn't emerge near death mountain either. According to the movie that Crono and Co. see, Lavos emerged close to where Guardia would have been.
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WTF... No... It looked as if Lavos emerged on another island thingy. Guardia and Porre were to the west of where Lavos emerged.
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Lavos emerged in Medina, near where Magus's castle was located.
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Thank You. And right behind him, there are some mountains. I think that Death Mountain may be a combination of Lavos' shell and maybe Lava that hardened ontop of the shell. Otherwise there wouldn't be such formations as that little ice bridge where the 2nd polyzo doll is.
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How do u know it's Medina or where ever?
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Because people if they use a cheat so they can walk around in 1999AD can look around. If you go to Medina, then Epoch to 1999AD you'll know where you arrive or something probably.
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Well, actually Lavos raises right around where Melchior's house was, which is geographically speaking around where Magus' castle was. It's all that one small continent. Aside from some shifting, it's all in the same spot really, underneath the Black Omen: where the Ocean Palace was in 12,000 BC, where Magus' Castle was in 600 AD, where Melchior's house is in 1000 AD, where Belthasar and Death Peak are in 2300 AD. Connect the dots.
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Lavos can hover. Final battle. You see him hovering as he moves up and down. Lavos is not that troublesome central bit. Even in the final battle, when the Lavos core removes it defenses, it says "Lavos Core removes it defenses", and, when the Lavos core revives the left and central, it says revives the bit. Lavos hovers in the sky granting the summit power for a time-freeze.