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Enhasa Halls - Chrono Series Analysis => History, Locations, and Artifacts => Topic started by: Kazuki on September 14, 2005, 10:30:38 pm

Title: Terra Tower Question
Post by: Kazuki on September 14, 2005, 10:30:38 pm
Today I went up Terra Tower (all the way up to the point where you go and fight the Lunar Dragon.), and I remember entering a room that brought me to, of all places, the upper left tower of Viper Manor, where as you remember, Belthasar's there along with the "ghosts" of young Crono, Marle, and Lucca, where you're told more about Chronopolis vs. Dinopolis. And then they all disappear (well, the ghosts do at least. I'm not sure about Belthasar...). Once you're back in Terra Tower, if you try to go back there, it changes into the correct path up the tower again.

Are there any theories on this? I did a search and couldn't find anything, and it's been bugging me ever since I saw it (at first I thought it was FATE, but then I remembered Fate was dead so...)
Title: Terra Tower Question
Post by: V_Translanka on September 15, 2005, 09:51:39 am
I always figured that Belthasar created the illusionary Viper library.
Title: Terra Tower Question
Post by: Chrono'99 on September 15, 2005, 12:54:43 pm
How did he make his way to Terra Tower?
Title: Terra Tower Question
Post by: V_Translanka on September 15, 2005, 01:21:59 pm
The Neo Epoch or Magic.
Title: Terra Tower Question
Post by: Legend of the Past on September 15, 2005, 04:07:22 pm
I spoke of this...

A. He probably teleported.
B. He made a path you can see to a point that dosen't exist, and deletes a path that does. It was done in one of the scenarios of RD.
Title: Terra Tower Question
Post by: SolidSnake_8608 on September 15, 2005, 07:47:13 pm
Belthasar did do some crazy stuff, so it doesn't surprise me that he could make an illusion of Viper Manor on Terra Tower.  He's magic man!
Title: Terra Tower Question
Post by: Chrono'99 on September 16, 2005, 04:59:30 am
He's a fearsome warrior who managed to force his way despite all the monsters.
Title: Terra Tower Question
Post by: Kazuki on September 16, 2005, 04:43:37 pm
Quote from: V_Translanka
The Neo Epoch or Magic.


I thought you saw the Neo Epoch and it was completely wrecked (you can also see this on the back of the jewel case)...
Title: Terra Tower Question
Post by: AuraTwilight on September 16, 2005, 06:24:01 pm
No, the Neo Epoch is being taken apart for whatever reason. Maybe it's being modified
Title: Terra Tower Question
Post by: Zaperking on September 16, 2005, 10:36:41 pm
Belthasar does have magic. It always seemed to me more of an illusion. Or maybe just like Serge's conscience with Belthasar in it.
Title: Terra Tower Question
Post by: Kazuki on September 17, 2005, 07:42:23 pm
Quote from: Zaperking
Belthasar does have magic. It always seemed to me more of an illusion. Or maybe just like Serge's conscience with Belthasar in it.


About the illusion: when you walk across the bridge to the tower, it does waver a bit in a dreamlike state, so in my mind it most likely is an illusion.
Title: Terra Tower Question
Post by: evirus on October 05, 2005, 12:32:48 pm
Quote from: Kazuki
Quote from: V_Translanka
The Neo Epoch or Magic.


I thought you saw the Neo Epoch and it was completely wrecked (you can also see this on the back of the jewel case)...

you have to remember that it is a time mechine, he could have went to that specific time with the neo epoch, and later went back in time, to viper manor where he either took it apart, or modified it
Title: Terra Tower Question
Post by: Zaperking on October 05, 2005, 06:10:28 pm
Just go to Viper manor in another world and check if it's still there before you fight the TD. If it's there, then he didn't use it. And It always did look wrecked to me.
Title: Terra Tower Question
Post by: evirus on October 05, 2005, 06:40:47 pm
Quote from: Zaperking
Just go to Viper manor in another world and check if it's still there before you fight the TD. If it's there, then he didn't use it. And It always did look wrecked to me.
no no no you misunderstood, the main characters(from chrono trigger) have the vantage point, or the curse of not being able to specificly choose the time they wish to travel to... so theres always a current time which they arrive in, meaning they cant go back so far to the point where they would see them selfs doing things which you already did in the game.

my idea is that either he used neo epoch before your visiting viper manor, or after the games timeline, depending on if the neo epoch is being modified, deconstructed, or still being built.
Title: Terra Tower Question
Post by: Kazuki on October 05, 2005, 10:43:06 pm
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no no no you misunderstood, the main characters(from chrono trigger) have the vantage point, or the curse of not being able to specificly choose the time they wish to travel to... so theres always a current time which they arrive in, meaning they cant go back so far to the point where they would see them selfs doing things which you already did in the game.


I believe you've sort of rephrased the axiom that deals with returning to specific time points via Epoch, so I agree.

Um, I don't quite understand your second statement, however...how could he have flown up there after the game's timeline, and why (this is how I interpreted it, anyhoo.)
Title: Terra Tower Question
Post by: Zenning on October 08, 2005, 02:38:54 pm
Belthasar's Neo Epoch, as well as Belthasar himself, were still in Viper Manor just right before you visit Terra Tower, because I specifically went there to visit him, to see if he'd tell me about the Chronopolis vs. Dinopolis war. I wasn't too far off, but I had to wait for that scene in Terra Tower.

In which case, Belthasar probably didn't even actually set foot in Terra Tower.

Most likely, it was Belthasar communicating with Serge's consciousness telepathically. Like Kazuki said, the scene of Viper Manor in Terra Tower wavers about, as if in a dream state, so I think that backs it up pretty well. After all, Belthasar tells Serge, "This is a space that doesn't exist."

My question is, why does Terra Tower transform into some bird-looking totem-pole-esque kind of statue after defeating the Lunar Dragon? You can't even go back inside Terra Tower after that, so why doesn't the bloody tower just explode or break apart altogether? Which significance does its transformation have?
Title: Terra Tower Question
Post by: Kazuki on October 08, 2005, 03:34:12 pm
I always sort of viewed it with a similar thought as towards the Masamune...that something was being purged from it (I wouldn't say such a strong, negative feeling.) It just seemed as if defeating the lunar dragon freed something within the tower.
Title: Terra Tower Question
Post by: nightmare975 on October 08, 2005, 03:36:14 pm
Quote from: Zenning
so why doesn't the bloody tower just explode or break apart altogether?


Because that is an overused video game clice(misspelled).
Title: Terra Tower Question
Post by: Kazuki on October 08, 2005, 03:39:07 pm
It still makes much more sense for it to fall to pieces after essentially the life force holding it together (sort of) is defeated...
Title: Terra Tower Question
Post by: nightmare975 on October 08, 2005, 03:40:02 pm
Quote from: Kazuki
It still makes much more sense for it to fall to pieces after essentially the life force holding it together (sort of) is defeated...


Yeah, but they already had the Dead Sea be destroyed.
Title: Terra Tower Question
Post by: Chrono'99 on October 08, 2005, 04:43:54 pm
The party says something like "so, it's Terra Tower's final form". No idea what it means though.
Title: Terra Tower Question
Post by: Zaperking on October 08, 2005, 09:41:51 pm
Terra Tower is alive, like everything else form the repitite dimension. That's just it's final transformation form, maybe the pure city. The other mode when it was an island was like hibernation maybe or something.