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Enhasa Halls - Chrono Series Analysis => History, Locations, and Artifacts => Topic started by: ZeaLitY on June 19, 2005, 04:32:31 pm
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I doubt anyone has ever tried showing Lucca the Time Egg or the Astral Amulet. Anyway, Lucca offers insight into what the amulet actually is:
[Lucca]
That's the amulet Kid
always had so dear to her
heart!
If you look carefully you'll
see that the design on the
cloth bag is the ancient
kingdom's royal crest.
Inside the bag is a
wooden pendant.
I assume my little sister
had it with her, or picked
it up later. on the night
my house was razed.
I bet she carefully kept
it with her, always...
I'm sure it has a lot of
memories attatched to it!
Wooden? Now, don't get me wrong, but Schala's pendant was made out of Dreamstone and Lucca's may have been an incomplete Time Egg or something, but this one's wooden? Is...there any known composite that has special effects made out of wood in the series?
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There's the... er, the mop. :roll:
I'm really confused by all those pendantS. I thought Kid has 2 stuff : Schala's Pendant and the Astral Amulet. We see what Schala's Pendant looks like in FFChronicles' ending (i.e. the same as Marle), and we see some purple necklace made of balls on Kid's neck and in Schala/Kid's hands in the Chrono Cross ending. I never knew what that necklace was supposed to be (it's not the Astral Amulet since she wears it all the time and the A.A. is given to Serge, and it's probably not Schala's Pendant since it's totally different).
So... now the Amulet is wooden. I have more problems understanding all those stuff than Project Kid.
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I hate to do it, but perhaps it was a translation error?
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maybe the pendant is made of wood with a dreamstoen in it?
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Well, Lucca did remodel the pendent, after all. Maybe she used wood to conduct the energy needed for the incomplete Time Egg to operate. But there was something else that didn't make sense to me:
Schala left her baby daughter-clone with her ancient pendant, possessing magical powers. This was to safeguard her daughter-clone in life-and-death situations. The pendant would rewind time a little, sending her daughter-clone into a safer point in the immediate past.
I thought the Pendent coulden't do that until after Lucca remodeled it?
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alright, im with Chrono'99 here, this whole pendant stuff is really annoying me, so just to let every1 know, I am going to open a thread where every1 can chat about the pendants and answer for me a question that has been bugging me for ages: Is- no wait, i'll ask the question on the thread...so you there!
~LC, rushing off to start the new thread!
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Umm in that quote "or picked it up later", doesn't that seem as if Lucca doesn't know what shes talking about?
I'm on the path that Translanka is on. I think that it was some kind of translation error.
So the cloth bag has the Zealian crest on it... Maybe Schala's pendant was in it? And then Lucca put her incomplete time egg "Astral Amulet" into the bag, which was of wood.
And about Schala's Amulet, you'd think it'd be in her pocket, eh? Or you know what. You know how Kid's necklase has shells on the string, maybe being close to the beach, she decided to put shells to make it look pretty, the main jewel in the middle of the necklase still looks redish/bluish like the dreamstone in Schala's pendant.
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In my fanfic, I'm having the Amulet tied around her wrist. It does reveal some power (Due to the Dreamstone proporties, nothing with Lavos' energy), but only just.
It made no sense, the only explanation I think of is, like you guys said, Schala's pendent isn't the Astral Amult, or it's been remodeled, a lot. Because either way, the pendent is kind of useless, without any energy.
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Those pendant discrepancies are so annoying I don't think about it too much, but maybe the Green Dream can fit somewhere in all this mess? The Green Dream is wooden, it belonged to Lucca, and it automatically revives the dead... Thoughts?
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Those pendant discrepancies are so annoying I don't think about it too much, but maybe the Green Dream can fit somewhere in all this mess? The Green Dream is wooden, it belonged to Lucca, and it automatically revives the dead... Thoughts?
Amber may come from trees, but it's NOT wooden.
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We don't really know if it's an amber, a real amber, or only composed of an amber part...
(http://www.chronocompendium.com/images/wiki/3/38/GreenDream.png)
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...the Pendant used in Chrono Trigger and the Astral Amulet in Chrono Cross were two separate artifacts, were they not?
Or, are we simply getting confused about one of said artifacts being said that they're made out of wood?
Those pendant discrepancies are so annoying I don't think about it too much, but maybe the Green Dream can fit somewhere in all this mess? The Green Dream is wooden, it belonged to Lucca, and it automatically revives the dead... Thoughts?
The Green Dream? Robo gives that to Lucca after she unwittingly travels back to 990AD and saves her mother from getting her legs mauled.
Robo made the Green Dream out of amber; something he made when cultivating Fiona's woods, and gave it to Lucca in thanks for coming back to get him and repair him.
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Whilst I played CC, there was a scene with Kid and Serge sitting down. Kid put her hand down her shoe, took something shiney out and started swinging it side by side like a pendant. Could this be Schala's pendant... And the other one is the astral amulet..
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I've...never seen that cutscene?
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Whilst I played CC, there was a scene with Kid and Serge sitting down. Kid put her hand down her shoe, took something shiney out and started swinging it side by side like a pendant. Could this be Schala's pendant... And the other one is the astral amulet..
I've...never seen that cutscene?
To see this cutscene, refuse to go to the Hydra's Marsh to save Kid.
Then, return to Kid before going to Water Dragon Isle to get the Ice Breath for Mt. Pyre.
After getting the Ice Breath from the Water Dragon, you have a camp fire scene before you leave the island.
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Yes, that one. Here are some few pics:
(http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/629/picture4551cy.jpg)
(http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/7205/picture4572el.jpg)
(http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/1130/picture4584nk.jpg)
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Seems a little hard to believe that she's putting it in her shoe...Actually, it's pretty hard to tell what she's doing...Man those graphics look so fugly now...
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Oh, I thought you meant actual computer generated cutscene. Nevermind.
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Seems a little hard to believe that she's putting it in her shoe...Actually, it's pretty hard to tell what she's doing...Man those graphics look so fugly now...
It's her dagger. At least that's what she's holding in the official artwork which depicts this scene.
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Then why does she put it back into her shoe.. When Kid has a dagger scabbard on her waist..
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Like I said, it's hard to tell that she's doing anything at all, much less something so specific as putting something into her shoe...
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If not for the little shiny spot, it would be nigh impossible to tell what she's doing and where.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v167/flamestealer/ccmp-005.jpg)
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Well, tell me two things:
1) Why does the light dissapear when her hand is on her shoe and theres no more light again.
2)If Kid never has the pendant on her, then how come she is still saved, like when she's stabbed etc. If the Astral Amulet is her amulet, and Serge has it, it wont make sence.
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I guess because it was specifically designed for her, or maybe Serge's subconscious willpower made it so that the Amulet still worked for Kid. The Chrono Trigger in CT didn't work for Marle, it was used for Crono.
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1) How would Serge when he didn't even know anything about the amulet? I'm acctually going on the lines that there are 2 amulets in the game.
2) The Chrono Trigger really wasn't especially for Crono. It was used to save him, but if you made like a Schala doll, you could have saved her too. The CT was pretty much used to get back to that point to save them or whoever you wanted, the game just makes it Crono.
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Well, tell me two things:
1) Why does the light dissapear when her hand is on her shoe and theres no more light again.
2)If Kid never has the pendant on her, then how come she is still saved, like when she's stabbed etc. If the Astral Amulet is her amulet, and Serge has it, it wont make sence.
When Kid got stabbed, she still had the Astral Amulet on her.
Either, you save her from the poison from Lynx's sword, or "a stranger from the mainland" (who is later identified as Norris) gives her the antidote if you refused to save her yourself.
BUT!
I do see what you're saying, Zaperking.
What could possibly be the shiny thing that Kid pulls out of her boot?
I would have to agree when you say it Schala's pendant, or a copy of.
HERE'S MY THEORY WHY KID HAS SCHALA'S PENDANT:
If you recall, AFTER THE OCEAN PALACE INCIDENT,
and the world is more or less all sunken,
you wash ashore at "The Last Village."
A person then gives you a Pendant, asking if it's yours, and then voila!
Open your inventory, and you will see that you now have TWO pendants!
Schala lost her pendant in the incident, and YOU ended up with it!
Then, Lucca ends up giving one of the two pendants to Kid.
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But then there's a little inconsistency.
Marle's pendant is probably the same pendant that washed ashore in the original timeline, and then through time, ended up in Marle's hands.
But, now that it has ended up in Crono & Co's hands this time around, it never becomes passed down to Marle in our new timeline...
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That theory doesn't work because Marle's pendant is from the original Schala. In the Keystone timeline, Schala's pendant goes down with her and she sends Kid out with the pendant.
By the way, about the astral amulet. Lucca says that Kid must have found it sometime whilst she was at the orphanage or after. But it's special to her.
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That's the artwork for that scene? I wouldn't have known that...
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1) Why does the light dissapear when her hand is on her shoe and theres no more light again.
She sheaths the knife?
The Chrono Trigger really wasn't especially for Crono. It was used to save him, but if you made like a Schala doll, you could have saved her too. The CT was pretty much used to get back to that point to save them or whoever you wanted, the game just makes it Crono.
I don't remember the precise guidelines...but there are rules to using the Chrono Trigger...I remember that the person has to be important or w/e and they probably have to be dead, yeah? Schala, unfortunately or not, doesn't die there, so you really couldn't have 'saved' her...
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I always got the impression that it simply brings back those that you love dearly, not really dead, but just those who you really want to see but you cant. In this case, it was exactally Crono. If it were possible, you'd probably be able to switch Schala before she's sucked into the DBT.
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I always got the impression that it simply brings back those that you love dearly, not really dead, but just those who you really want to see but you cant. In this case, it was exactally Crono. If it were possible, you'd probably be able to switch Schala before she's sucked into the DBT.
Then Chrono Cross would have been obsolete, right? El Nido wouldn't have formed, and Guardia might have won against Porre (Though there's no real evidence leading to Schala/Lavos affecting the Porre/Guardia conflict).
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Let us call that the Chrono
Trigger. It is pure potential.
By unleashing a specific course of
events, it can have a powerful effect
on time.
Ask the one who made the
Epoch, your Wings of
Time, how to hatch it...
Like any egg, it represents a
possibility...
It may or may not...hatch.
But the Chrono Trigger gives you the
potential to get your friend back...
The egg will have an effect equal to
the effort you put into your search.
No more, and no less.
Don't forget that.
As long as you keep Crono in your
heart, the day you are dreaming of
shall arrive...
On Death Peak you will
find the power to restore life.
But to activate this power, the
deceased must be important to the
space-time continuum.
And you MUST have a clone identical
to that person. Only then, can a
Chrono Trigger work its magic...
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Now, my question is, why don't we get the Chono Trigger from Melchior?
He's the friggin' Sage of Life, for crying out loud!
You'd think that restoring life would be right up his area of expertise!
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Now, my question is, why don't we get the Chono Trigger from Melchior?
He's the friggin' Sage of Life, for crying out loud!
You'd think that restoring life would be right up his area of expertise!
Except the most complicated parts of the Chrono Trigger involve freezing time. So the Guru of time would be the most logical to be the maker of the time egg.
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From that big quote, it seems that anyone who is important in the time sapce thing can be brought back. Schala is important, she caused the awakening of Lavos technically, in the future is absorbed by Lavos and threatens all of existance.
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Allow me to point this out yet again...
But to activate this power, the
deceased must be important to the
space-time continuum.
Schala aint dead,
As I said.
So go to bed.
Don't get shot in the head.
Maybe eat some bread.
Color something red.
Call up Ted.
Or that Flanders guy, Ned.
And, uh...tell someone "thee I wed"?
Yeah, I went overboard w/the rhyming...but it's difficult to stop when I get started...:oops:
MMmmmm...bread...
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Now, my question is, why don't we get the Chono Trigger from Melchior?
He's the friggin' Sage of Life, for crying out loud!
You'd think that restoring life would be right up his area of expertise!
Except the most complicated parts of the Chrono Trigger involve freezing time. So the Guru of time would be the most logical to be the maker of the time egg.
You know what?
I think all three of them participated in making it.
Gaspar gives it to you, and Belthasar explains what it does.
I'm sure Melchior had a hand in it, too.
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They say that Gaspar, the Guru of
Time, continues his work on some
deserted island.
He's making a Chrono Trigger or
Time Egg, or something.
But no one has seen him for ages.
I think that Belthasar simply knew how and where to use it...probably because he'd have talked to Gaspar...I don't think Melchior had any hand in the Chrono Trigger/Time Egg...They don't do everything together! :P
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Allow me to point this out yet again...
But to activate this power, the
deceased must be important to the
space-time continuum.
Schala aint dead,
As I said.
So go to bed.
Don't get shot in the head.
Maybe eat some bread.
Color something red.
Call up Ted.
Or that Flanders guy, Ned.
And, uh...tell someone "thee I wed"?
Yeah, I went overboard w/the rhyming...but it's difficult to stop when I get started...:oops:
MMmmmm...bread...
You do know that no body knew that she was alive or dead. Most people probably thought she was dead. So if their belief is that she's dead, then they'd want to revive her, eh?
Anyway, that quote basically proves that time bastard does not exist. If for instance, Schala cannot be taken from that instance and braught to the future, it means that there is no obvious need for time bastard because the game wouldn't allow two things to be at the same time. But the point is that if you have TTI, you probably could. Also, what if they made Schala, Magus, Zeal dolls? We could get them all back + Crono.
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There once was a lady named Schala
Thought by many to reside in Valhalla
Others said, "She's not dead,
She's just resting in bed,"
In a vain effort to raise morale-a
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Just because people think she's dead doesn't mean that the Time Egg would work...As stated, it don't work that way.
Also...morale-a, huh...noice.
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Just because people think she's dead doesn't mean that the Time Egg would work...As stated, it don't work that way.
I know. My limerick was not meant to express my or anyone's opinion; rather, it was meant to show off my literary flare. (I'll admit in this case my flare flat out fizzled. :) )
Also...morale-a, huh...noice.
Well, it was either that or, " 'After crashing the Milliennial Gala.' "
There once was a lady named Schala
Thought by many to reside in Valhalla
Others said, "She's not dead,
She's just resting in bed,
After crashing the Milliennial Gala"
Note to GrayLensman: Delete this if you must. I'll cry at first, but I'll get over it. :wink:
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To the guy who said all three Guru's worked on the Time Egg...cut Gaspar a break! It's the only invention to his name! It's bad enough Belthasar is the only one in CC and Melchior makes one of the most important plot elements. Anyway, the Time Egg seems to be a plot device that can probably edit any aspect in the Space-Time Continuum. Since it's "Pure Potential" It's probably remniscient to the Infinite Improbability Drive.
There once was a chick named Schala,
When I was little I thought she was a fella,
Now I know she's really a girl,
I no longer feel I need to hurl,
whenever I see her talking to Janus
and think creepy things involving the anus
Sorry, had to do it XD
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Well, this thread degenerated into rubbish, but the time has come to put this matter to rest. I can't complete a necessary component without this information.
Let's review the facts:
Astral Amulet is a wooden pendant kept in a pouch bearing the Zeal emblem. It is presumably given to her after she comes to stay with Lucca; she had it on her during the night of the fire, which is why it survived. Origin of Zeal pouch is unknown. The pendant allows the bending of space-time for dimensional travel. Serge holds it.
Schala's pendant is made of Dreamstone and given to Kid when she is created. It now possesses the ability to exert temporal distortions on an individual to prevent harm. Kid holds it (explaining why she survived).
Kid carries an incomplete Time Egg fashioned by Lucca. A necessary component is missing; probably a magical engine of some sort. Masa and Mune imbue the Time Egg with magic power, allowing its function as a self-contained Gate to work and send Serge back in time temporarily.
Lastly, Belthasar gives the party a complete Time Egg of his own. Irrelevant.
And now let's review the pictures:
Astral Amulet
(http://www.chronocompendium.com/images/wiki/c/c7/Astral_Amulet.png)
Pendant
(http://www.chronocompendium.com/images/wiki/6/6e/Pendant.png)
Time Egg
(http://www.chronocompendium.com/images/wiki/e/ed/Time_Egg.png)
(http://www.chronocompendium.com/images/wiki/0/0f/Chrono_Trigger.png)
In any case, that sure as hell isn't wood.
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Given the above facts, I hereby propose that the incomplete Time Egg, Schala's pendant, and the Astral Amulet are all separate items; the former two are held on Kid's person beneath clothes, and the latter is carried by Serge.
Each item has something mutually exclusive in relation to the other; there must be three, unless Kato intervenes and states that someone stated something wrong somewhere. The Cross translation was well done, so it is unlikely that anything but Chrono Break can elaborate further.
Any last comments?
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Just with the time egg, can't it be on that necklace of hers? Like on Kid's neck, there's that shell/wooden looking necklace?
Also, in the good ending FMV, in the end, Schala is standing in "Neo Tokyo" Lol and in her hand we see that necklace that Kid has on her neck. It may be just a reference to the merger that Schala still has a part of Kid, but then again Schala passing the clocks made them turn back, which looks to me as if she has an idea to go back in time or something.
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Okay, I will buy it that maybe the purple thing around her nick ist he incomplete Time Egg. It's egg shaped, at least.
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but then again Schala passing the clocks made them turn back, which looks to me as if she has an idea to go back in time or something.
Sorry about bringing back old topics.
What scene was this? Was it when she was standing alone in the intersection?
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This is the same FMV, but before that, Schala passed by a clock shop which was turning normally, and once she got close, they started turning backwards.
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I never noticed that! Believe it or not, I started a new game today to play through. Too bad I just can't wake up normally with the Chrono Cross and the Time Egg.
Thanks Zap!
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You could always download that FMV, you know :P
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Very true. This way I can experience the adventure one more time, get more shiny and rainbow shell materials and look forward to the ending again and watch for the scene. I've also never done Nikki's path, so I can see what his moves are :D
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I thought it was decided that Kid's pendant was Schala's old pendent?
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I thought it was decided that Kid's pendant was Schala's old pendent?
Nope, the unsolved problem is that we don't know how many pendants Kid actually carries.