Chrono Compendium
Enhasa Halls - Chrono Series Analysis => Other Topics and the Prerelease => Topic started by: RyogaMasaki on October 29, 2005, 01:21:47 pm
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My recent CT pre research has been primarily with the script lately. I found a couple interesting bit recently. First: normally, in Schala's scene where she's speaks to Jacky about the black wind, an attendant informs her the Queen is calling her. In the pre, apparently, it was Dalton:
Dalton 'The Queen summons you. If you would make your way down to the Undersea Palace...
Of course, Schala doesn't say 'Oh my, who are you?' on her way out in the pre (probably because Dalton would see you if you were standing there).
Another new bit: instead of Dalton summoning the Golem, the Queen does, or at least it just appears. After defeating it, there's a little extra dialogue in the pre:
Zeal 'I'll leave the rest to you Dalton. I'll head down to the palace. Throw that bunch in the research room.
Zeal 'Let's go, prophet!
Dalton 'Q, Queen!
Dalton 'Meh, whatever! These good for nothings.
The research room, eh? Wonder what that could be. The word she used for researcg room is 'kenkyuu shitsu,' in case you're curious. It's not exactly solid proof that it's the dungeon, but it is a reference to a new place at least...
Here's the text comparison for that scene (at the bottom of the main table): http://ryoga.heypoorplayer.org/chrono/comp06.php
My text dumping and translating continues; hopefully I'll find some more interesting crap soon.
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Interesting; I never fathomed we might actually be able to validate these strange removed places with text from the game.
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Found another odd thing:
このバージョンはここまでです。
のちほど次のバージョンをおとどけします。
クロノトリガー
1995年 3/11発売
よろしくお願いします
This version ends here.
We will eventually notify you of the next version.
Chrono Trigger
On sale 3/11 1995
Please look forward to it.
It's a demo ending text like the usual ones, only it's very obviously different. It's alot shorter and isn't in the same format as the others. I would suggest it's from an earlier demo. It immediately follows the text for Tata's house and the scenes there. I'm pointing this out because all the other demo endings, text wise, immediately follow where they end. Also note that Tata's house is (normally) broken in the pre. Hmmm...
EDIT: BTW, this was found in text block 22 in the pre (0x3CB0BC - 0x3CBB6C)
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Once I get everything up, I'll start a dialogue section in the Prerelease encyclopedia for everything. This really makes me wish RPGOne didn't have to do Dragon Quest 3 before CT. I mean, that's like mixed up priorities...
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Tata's house is in the last block of event data, leaving no room for an unpointed section afterwards. :( However, I have little doubt that room was completed, since the game was finished to about the Tyrano Lair. Technically, Algetty, and it would be interesting to see that section's translations since unlike the final there's nothing stopping one from entering immediately upon warping to 12000 BC for the first time.
The scene is the "Here's the Hero Medal, some frog guy dropped it in a cafe?", right? If the demo ends there, it probably began at the Zenan Bridge battle or right afterwards, and made the player complete Denadoro Mts.
If the text really is from an earlier demo, and this demo is the "next version", the very next playable section in the story is the demo Magus Castle. That would make sense.
The wording of that text sounds very much like a preview version sent to Japanese magazines...
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Tata's house is in the last block of event data, leaving no room for an unpointed section afterwards. :( However, I have little doubt that room was completed, since the game was finished to about the Tyrano Lair. Technically, Algetty, and it would be interesting to see that section's translations since unlike the final there's nothing stopping one from entering immediately upon warping to 12000 BC for the first time.
The scene is the "Here's the Hero Medal, some frog guy dropped it in a cafe?", right? If the demo ends there, it probably began at the Zenan Bridge battle or right afterwards, and made the player complete Denadoro Mts.
I'll work on Algetty soon then. As for the Tata stuff, yes, it's after his confession in the house. More specifically, immediately after the grandfather's 'My son wants to be a space pilot!' line.
http://ryoga.heypoorplayer.org/chrono/comp22.php (although I actually haven't translated the Tata section yet, I'll do that soon enough, hehe)
This really makes me wish RPGOne didn't have to do Dragon Quest 3 before CT. I mean, that's like mixed up priorities...
I actuallly talked to them recently about working with them on the translation, and was politely told the project was on hold. Oh well. If i had the skill I'd just do it myself. It's actually not that hard; the trouble I have resizing the kanji font to work with English. (I just copied/pasted the font from the US version in the pre, hehe.) Anyone up for our own translation project? =D
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Yeah, I complained about that on their forums. I would be gung ho about creating our own Chrono Trigger: Special Edition completely if translation were an easy issue. But Japanese knowledge is like gold dust around here. We're lucky to even have this Prerelease stuff you've made.
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Hey, just wanted to give the people who are interested in my little project a heads up. It turns out some of the text in the unpointed sections use an older kanji table. This means this unused text is older than the pre (and may point to something new in 65m...), but... because it uses a differen kanji table than what I have, the text is a bit meaningless since the kanji (the Japanese characters that give a word meaning) is random gibberish now. Luckily some of the text that appears in this old format also appears in the final format, and I'm using that to match up as much kanji as I can. Hopefully I'll have results on that soon.
Oh, here's something interesting to chew on: in block 23's unpointed text is an older version of the trial text using that older format. At one point towards the end are three strings reading:
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だい1だんかい
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だい2だんかい
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だい3だんかい
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'Dai # dankai' basically means '#st/nd/rd Level'. In the part of the pre where it is used (block 1), the three lines are replaced with "有罪多数" (Majority guilty). What does this mean? Dunno. Oh, and originally you waited 7 days for the execution, not 3. Easy to see why they lowered that.
Hopefully I'll have something more interesting later.
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I've decided to revive this.
From Text bank 16 on RyogaMasaki's site:
(魔王)「 装備をはいだか
ダルトン
。
Current Google Translation:
(Lucifer) "HAIDA equipment?
Dalton ....
This is one of several Magus lines in the Prerelease's Blackbird text area. Could just be that the developers were confused or something.
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From bank 14:
老人「チャンスは一度きりだよ。
ラヴォスによって生じる
時空のゆがみの一番強い場所
死の山の山ちょうで使ってみなさい。(p)
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ただし成功するかどうかは
お前さん逹の、(クロノ)への思い
しだいだよ。
Elderly, "a chance only once. RAVOSU caused by the warping of space-time in the most powerful place ...
Death of a mountain butterfly in the mountains with it. (P)
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However successful or not ...
You逹, (Chrono) as soon as it's feeling.
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based on the fact that R and L are the same, and almost all (or all) S' are followed by a U we get
"Lavos" from RAVOSU.
I'M HELPING!!!!
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Not really. I prefer analysis of how things were then.
In the second line I threw through Google Translate, I think that going to Belthasar/Gasch to learn how to use the Chrono Trigger wasn't in yet.
In another line, Gaspar/Hasch says "Pendant that the hatcher. " instead of telling them to talk to Belthasar (Google Translation of part of Final's line: "Hatcher is the way that when a blade made of a man listening to ....")
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This thread'll be revived once the pre script is ready. I'll go ahead and wait for a concentrated effort to extract all the text from the ROM using the old method, since I'm hoping that'll make it easier to post into the dialogue offset Retranslation spreadsheet (with the Japanese column blanked, of course). Then it's a matter of figuring out what's different, removing it, etc.
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Quote
老人「チャンスは一度きりだよ。
ラヴォスによって生じる
時空のゆがみの一番強い場所
死の山の山ちょうで使ってみなさい。(p)
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ただし成功するかどうかは
お前さん逹の、(クロノ)への思い
しだいだよ。
Quote from: Google Translation
Elderly, "a chance only once. RAVOSU caused by the warping of space-time in the most powerful place ...
Death of a mountain butterfly in the mountains with it. (P)
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However successful or not ...
You逹, (Chrono) as soon as it's feeling.
The fourth line actually says,
"Use it on the summit of Death Peak." I'm part Japanese and know some easy kanji. too bad i'm not fluent...
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It seems like Chrono Trigger uses a similar naming system to Final Fantasy VII in that (at least) party characters names are bracketed rather than typed individually.. like {CLOUD} or {AERIS}, for example. Interesting. ^^
(魔王)「 装備をはいだか
ダルトン
。
(Magus) 「You took off your equipment, Dalton......
老人「チャンスは一度きりだよ。
ラヴォスによって生じる
時空のゆがみの一番強い場所
死の山の山ちょうで使ってみなさい。(p)
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ただし成功するかどうかは
お前さん逹の、(クロノ)への思い
しだいだよ。
Old Man:
There is only one chance.
The strongest point of the
time-space distortion generated by Lavos......
You must try using it on the peak of Death Mountain. (p)
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But will it work......
That will depend on
your thoughts towards Chrono!
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Thanks, Glitterberri.
It seems like Chrono Trigger uses a similar naming system to Final Fantasy VII in that (at least) party characters names are bracketed rather than typed individually.. like {CLOUD} or {AERIS}, for example. Interesting. ^^
I think it's mostly from how the table used to dump the script was formatted.
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Wow, I had no idea Glitter was registered on the forums. Now I can confer some kind of special rank for the translation. The value of the work is easily a Guruship thing, so I wonder if Luminaire85 wouldn't mind becoming a Guru of Time emeritus since the Cross hacking is down a bit while other things are being worked on...
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Here's what I have so far. I haven't isolated the different or unique lines yet.
Some lines may not be matched up correctly. I rearranged lines in some places to better match the final's text.
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Does that include the entire Pre script?
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No. It's only what I've tried to match up with the final's script.
Back in 2005, Ryogamasaki dumped the pre's script, though sometimes it's poorly divided into blocks. (Guardia castle's stringbanks get separated in the middle of the stringbanks.)
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Wow...do you have a link? Only send if absolutely everything is there, I guess. I'll go ahead and start adding it to the eight-column spreadsheet and matching things up too.
Edit: Okay, found. I'll start adding these. Let me know if you find any Kanji errors or anything to suggest that his text rip wasn't complete.
Edit 2: Wow, no joke...this text is all over the place. I'm going to go ahead and create a text file for Ryoga's dump, which will be added to the site as a base script. Looks like he might not have added the era years, and maybe other stuff...
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I don't know Japanese, so I can't really tell without comparing it to my dump or maybe looking it up online.
Here's a list I made a long time ago:
02-Misc?; Norstein Bekkler's; Tyrano Lair
03-Manoria Cathedral, Dorino, Cursed Woods, Porre
04-New Game demo ending text; a couple Zeal NPCs
05-Zeal NPCs
06-Zeal Palace NPCs; Schala and Jacky's conversation; Golem fight; Prophet sealing the 12000 BC gate
07-Cyrus cutscene, Denadoro Mts cave, Cathedral, etc.
08-Prison, 600 AD Zenan Bridge, Medina, Heckran's Cave, Fiona's Villa, Prison ending text
09-Forest Maze, Laruba Ruins, Algetty
10-Truce, Truce Canyon, 600 AD Truce
11-Lab 16, Lab 32, Proto Dome
12-65000000 BC areas
13-Dactyl Nest
14-Bangor Dome, Trann Dome, Arris Dome, End of Time
15-Magus Castle
16-1999 AD, Epoch, Lavos, Blackbird
17-600 AD Guardia Castle-First arrival
18-600 AD Guardia Castle
19-1000 AD Guardia Castle-Can't enter at beginning/Captured
20-1000 AD Guardia Castle-Escape
21-1000 AD Guardia Castle-Escape pt.2, Post-escape visits
21a-1000 AD Guardia Castle, older version nonsense
22-Gonzales, escaping to the future after the Dragon Tank, 1000 AD Porre, Tata's house, Glenn/Cyrus as children flashback
23-Arris Dome rafters+storage, Keeper's Dome, Sewer, Tyrano Castle end
23a-????, older version of Trial scene
Edit-I'm working on preparing some script dumps to upload.
Edit 2- Done with the dialog packets. I don't think I included the unpointed dialog.
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This'll save time. I'll list differences between the text dumps.
Block One
Vehek's text dump has one more line at the end of Text Block 01, which Ryoga puts in Text Block 02:
マール「いままで
言えなかった
ごめんなさい
[END]
Intentional? I can see how it makes sense, since the next block sort of starts with one of those info strings.
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That string is placed at the beginning of block 2 in Ryogamasaki's dump. My text dumps are based off the beginnings and ends of the stringbanks referenced in the pre-release's events.
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That string is placed at the beginning of block 2 in Ryogamasaki's dump. My text dumps are based off the beginnings and ends of the stringbanks referenced in the pre-release's events.
Gotcha. Your dump is proving superior in various ways. What we don't have (era names, etc.) I'll pull from Temporal Flux.
Speaking of which, the index for Singing Mountain is FB5000. IIRC, this is a pointer, so how do we reverse that to figure out what text block it is? (We'll do this for unidentified dialogue later.)
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There are no events for Singing Mt. remaining in the pre-release, right?
Looking at the stringbank only works when there's beta event data and not the generic "Only PC-loading code".
That stringbank is just the Cathedral.
The Blackbird's stringbank is not referenced in the pre-release; I just guessed based on the info/debug string.
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Okay.
http://ryoga.heypoorplayer.org/chrono/comp16.php
(ルッカ)「 私が改造しようと
思ってたのに
Isn't present in your text dump, but it's not in the dump beginning at XXX045, either.
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That line should be at the end of Blackbird.txt...
I find the Blackbird's text to be very interesting in some ways.
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Okay, got it. Looks like Ryoga found the Blackbird, but mashed inside the Lavos text.
Whew, I'm flying. The text script should be out later today. Then I'll start cutting pieces out of a copy and placing them in the spreadsheet to compare with the final Japanese. Each different case will be marked with a "TRANSLATE" tag, and lines that have no final equivalent will be put in a special section at the end of the spreadsheet.
Edit: For presentation purposes, where would we fit the Blackbird on this table:
Text Block 01 3B0242-3B1F3F Lucca's House, Fair, Trial, Factory
Text Block 02 3B1F40-3B23D9 Bekkler, Tyrano Lair
Text Block 02a 3B23DA-3B25F0 [unpointed] Tyrano Lair
Text Block 03 3B5294-3B6C92 Cathedral, Dorino, Porre, Cursed Woods
Text Block 04 3B6C93-3B7294 Pre Ending, Kajar
Text Block 05 3B7295-3B7D82 Zeal Palace
Text Block 06 3B7D83-3B85E6 Cyrus Scene, Denadoro Mts, Cathedral
Text Block 06a 3B85E7-3B990B [unpointed]
Text Block 07 3BB400-3BD43B Prison, Bridge, Melchior, Medina, Fiona
Text Block 08 3BD43C-3BDE35 Forest Maze, Laruba, Algetty
Text Block 08a 3BDE49-3BE4FC [unpointed]
Text Block 09 3C0428-3C1CE9 New Game, Truce
Text Block 10 3C1CEA-3C28E0 Lab 32, Proto Dome
Text Block 11 3C28E1-3C4325 65,000,000 B.C.
Text Block 12 3C4326-3C4535 Dactyl Nest
Text Block 13 3C56D6-3C7402 Domes, End of Time
Text Block 14 3C7403-3C7E9E Magus's Castle
Text Block 15 3C7E9F-3C9044 Lavos
Text Block 16 3C9045-3C912A
Text Block 17 3C912B-3CA535
Text Block 18 3CA536-3CA656
Text Block 19 3CA657-3CA6B9
Text Block 20 3CA6BA-3CACFD
Text Block 20a 3CACFE-3CAFFF [unpointed]
Text Block 21 3CB0BC-3CBB6C
Text Block 22 3CE0AC-3CEE9F
Text Block 22a 3CEEA0-3CF6B9 [unpointed]
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I guess you could put it with the Lavos text like Ryoga did. The pre's blackbird's text begins around 3C84BB.
Some lines are in different banks in the pre-release. For example, the screaming couple's lines are in the New Game/Truce stringbank and Spekkio's lines are within the End of Time's lines.
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Putting together the final pieces from Temporal Flux, now...
TF doesn't display anything for Menu Text, though. But the menu works in-game?
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Most of the Menu Text doesn't even exist in the pre-release.
Enter a name, then push the
Start Button.{null} - Doesn't exist
Enemies will attack even
if you're not ready!{null} - Doesn't exist
Take your time to choose
items and fight strategically.{null} - Doesn't exist
Start using
which data?{null} - Doesn't exist
Who'll you
replace?{null} - This one is somewhere but it's not exactly "menu text"
Can't
do that!{null} - Somewhere in there.
Can be used by{null} - Same with this one.
On another note, the beasts in Algetty don't have a random battle event to drag you into it. You have to get touched by one of the beasts to start a battle.
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It opens fine in Wordpad, saved as Unicode text. (Yes, I used Wordpad, because Textpad STILL doesn't have Unicode support.) But see for yourself:
http://chronofan.com/Black/Publications/CTPTD.txt
Whatever. This was only a stepping stone for the spreadsheet, so that's fine.
Edit: Wordpad opens up the original file fine, but when I upload and download the uploaded version and upload it, it's ugly as hell. Is the upload process doing something?
Edit 2: Has to be the upload process. Firefox opens my local copy fine. What the hell...
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You know, this stuff is so crazy and all over the place...for the huge spreadsheet, I was adding lines with no Trigger equivalent to a special section, but in retrospect this possibly cuts up scenes.
Okay, so change of plans. We're going to have two sets of spreadsheets.
* PRERELEASE SPREADSHEET
This will be organized according to the order of the Prerelease text offsets. The columns will go:
PRERELEASE JAPANESE >>> PRERELEASE TRANSLATION >>> FINAL JAPANESE >>> KWHAZIT RETRANSLATION
* FINAL CT SCRIPT SPREADSHEET
This will be the final script for the official releases of the game. The columns will go:
WOOLSEY >>> SNES JP >>> CT DS JP >>> SLATTERY >>> KWHAZIT >>> KWHAZIT'S ANNOTATIONS
There we go. This will keep the Prerelease's scenes complete.
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That file you attached doesn't work any better.
The "dead end" string in bank 1 is used in the Magic Cave when you try to go out the Zenan side.
Tangent:
I made the table I used to dump the script by taking the Japanese table and altering it by referencing Temporal Flux.
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Here's how the script will appear. Everything's geared to facilitate translation.
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I just recently found out with TF where the "Time Machine get" is used. There's a debug object in the upper left of the Millennial fair that places the Sylbird/Epoch on the OW.
[Unknown]
何かこわそうね。[END]
[Young Woman]
ルッカの発明の事だから
また何か
[END]
[Young Woman]
ルッカの発明もたまには
[END]
The "Unknown" is a young woman. The "young woman" lines are assigned to a young man who doesn't exist in the final.
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[Unknown - Appears in Ioka Hut Final Lines] [Unknown - Appears in Ioka Hut Final Lines]
ドッペルチェーンジッ！！[END] Dopple chaaange, yeah!!
Interesting that this was edited before the final to remove the ッ, which I've seen Deidara use to end his sentences with something like "yeah". It appears in Frog's Cursed Woods lines in the Prerelease.
Edit: Oh, this is just unbelievable. Cyrus says this in the Pre when he attacks Magus:
サイラス・パーンチッ！！
Which translates to...
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Interesting! サイラスパンチ was precisely the name of Pierre's tech SlapOfCyrus in the Japanese version (according to http://ystu.hp.infoseek.co.jp/game/chrono/ere6.html ). The reference makes sense all of a sudden.
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Zeal is really work-in-progress. The lines resemble their final versions, but they're almost always smaller.
Interestingly, Dalton came and got Schala from her bedroom.
Edit: Okay, that wraps Zeal Palace. Something's different about the battle with Dalton; Queen Zeal is referred to as ZEAL: already and has more lines. Google Language:
Zeile "after I leave, Dalton.
WARAWA will descend to the temple. He is leaving them in the living room and study HOURIKON. [END]
Zeile "I go, I prophet! [END]
Dalton "daughter, Queen ... ...!? [END]
Dalton "chip, it was Wow!
Our first Thanks for nothing! [END]
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You DO know that those are the lines Ryoga posted at the beginning of this thread, right?
His theory from back then, "it just appears", is probably wrong, since the Golems don't seem to exist in the pre-release.
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Can't find equivalents for these in Chrono Trigger:
話す相手といったら、姉のサラ様と、
いつも連れてあるいてる、あのネコくらい。
われらとはちがって、いったい何を見て、
何を聞いてらっしゃることやら
。[END]
三賢者様以外で、魔神器をあつかえるのは
今では、サラ様だけです。[END]
現在ここにある魔神器を、海底神殿にうつし
ラヴォスより、さらに強大なエネルギーを
えられれば、不老不死も夢ではない。[END]
三賢者の一人、命の賢者様は、女王の計画に
反対なさってから、姿を見なくなった。
まさか
。[END]
Edit: The second round of unpointed text is just insane. I can barely figure out what's what. Perhaps it was written into the ROM using a slightly different table before the Pre's table was finalized? Here's an example of what Google Language is giving:
Festival's negative system, dynamic issue.
TABAN "O, I be!!
TABAN "Hey, Lucca!
Things like, you are wrong positive woman!
TABAN "status Ha!
You good, this shit!
Well AGARA train soldiers!
Lucca, "says Ken!
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Here's through Text Block 06a (unpointed) in case anyone wants to try and figure out the story behind those unpointed lines.
Edit: Text Block 07 gets really different in Medina. Seems like the party learned about Magus "creating" Lavos by talking to villagers rather than fighting Heckran.
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Can't find equivalents for these in Chrono Trigger:
話す相手といったら、姉のサラ様と、
いつも連れてあるいてる、あのネコくらい。
われらとはちがって、いったい何を見て、
何を聞いてらっしゃることやら……。[END]
三賢者様以外で、魔神器をあつかえるのは
今では、サラ様だけです。[END]
現在ここにある魔神器を、海底神殿にうつし
ラヴォスより、さらに強大なエネルギーを
えられれば、不老不死も夢ではない。[END]
三賢者の一人、命の賢者様は、女王の計画に
反対なさってから、姿を見なくなった。
まさか……。[END]
It seems these are from Kingdom Zeal. The first paragraph is probably about Janus(The one who calls Schala elder sister, with a cat beside him. He's different from us, I don't know what he's looking and thinking); the second paragraph says besides the 3 sages, only Schala can handle that Mammon Machine; the third paragraph says after moving the Mammon Machine to the undersea palace where it can make contact with Lavos itself, it can drain great energy, perhaps even the dream of immortality may become true; the fourth paragraph says one of the 3 sage, the sage of life, who opposed the queen's plan, disappeared.
These sound familiar...
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[Young Woman] Different translation, "besides the 3 sages, only Schala can handle that Mammon Machine" is cut.
Magic strong enough to control the
extraction of energy, is needed to
control the Mammon Machine.
[Old Man]
If the Mammon Machine is moved to
the Ocean Palace, we can extract even
more energy from Lavos.
The ultimate dream of eternal youth
and life, is now possible!
Oh, almighty Queen, our kingdom of
Zeal will reign forever!
[Old Man]
Melchior, who opposed the Queen's
plans, has vanished.
You're not thinking what I am, are
you?
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Seems like the party learned about Magus "creating" Lavos by talking to villagers rather than fighting Heckran.
Yeah. The scene I tried to describe in the Medina Square (CTP) article probably involves this dialog.
That line about Janus is probably the rough version of this:
話し相手といったら、姉のサラ様と
いつも連れてあるいている
あのネコくらいのもの
。
(Woolsey translation: " His only friend, other than his sister, is that stupid cat.")
タバン「
[END]
Taban says this if you talk to him after he gives Lara the apples.
Do the unpointed lines make any sense?
ないトコだ!
あ、あんちゃん様も、アブナイぜ。
とっとと、ズラかんねーと
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It seems like you're in the middle of organizing everything, so if you have something for me to translate, put it somewhere specific so I know what it is I'm working on.
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Sure; I'll pass the finished script along in several days, probably.
Man, I COMPLETELY FORGOT about JLukas's event fixes:
http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Codes_(CTP)#Location_and_Event_Enable_codes
Can someone make an IPS patch out of those? Come to think of it, JLukas might have been making one at one time. Anyhow, hard-patching the ROM is favorable because then I can explore the locations with Temporal Flux to track down the speakers of certain weird lines.
Now, if I can just remember what I was trying to find in Ioka's events...
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Just turning the codes into a patch won't be enough in some cases. Ingame, text block 6 starts with the Prophet line ending block 5, throwing all the strings in that bank off when playing the game.
The entirety of Medina and Heckran's cave (except Melchior's) is off.
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Well, PMed in case he's still making that patch...perhaps we won't have much use for it in this application, but a fixed Prerelease patch that lets you explore at will might be nice down the road. I guess it'd come about when Temporal Flux can edit the Prerelease.
Text Block 08a 3BDE49-3BE4FC [unpointed] is another totally bizarre block, judging from Google Language. I can safely say that it and the last bizarre text block probably don't use an earlier table, because NPC names appear normal (Gran and Leon speak in that one, IIRC), and too much text seems...well, normal enough. This unpointed text is totally about Guardia, and I can't figure out what's going on. Something about Magus, the Queen, the King...we may just end up having to have these two huge chunks of unpointed text translated straight.
Algetty has some unique lines; mainly, most of the exposition is concentrated in one guy in the elder's room who asks you if you want to hear about Zeal. He makes a reference to the Prophet at some point. The middle of his dialogue matches up with something in the final.
Edit: Man, it feels good to be doing this. It's like old times, when everything was left unexplored and unanalyzed...
Edit 2: JLukas alerted me to something I'd forgotten about TF. Open the Prerelease ROM, hit File > Patches > Beta Events. Problem solved.
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That still doesn't solve the problem I mentioned.
Here's a patch that hacks the Medina events to change the stringbank used.
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TRANSFOOOORM!
Remember that lost line from the final version? It's originally this:
ドッペルチェ～ンジ！[END] (Dopple chaaange!)
Which appears in Crono's room when you take the Dopple-doll. That's one solved lost line...
Edit: Okay, done with Lab 32 and Proto Dome.
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"Dopple chaange" also exists in 1000 AD Guardia Castle. Makes me wonder if the line had to do with the clones/doppel dolls.
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[Chief]
ラルバの民 しばらく
いっしょにいたが
また あたらしい村つくる
言って でていった。[END]
ラルバの民 へんな石
神だといって あがめてた。[END]
キーノ 力だけじゃなく
心も強くなった もんくなく酋長。[END]
Those appear at the end of 65,000,000 B.C., and talk about Laruba. They correspond with Laruba villager lines at the Meeting Site in the index, but they're very different. I can't seem to find them in the game's events...
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老人「あそこの、はなれたゲートには
行ってはならんぞ
。
ことにお前さんらのような
わかものはな
。[END]
ルッカ「このゲート、一体どこへ？[END]
老人「だから言ったろう。
行ってはならんと
。
過去を変える事がいつもベストな方法とは
限らないんじゃ。
過去をこうかいするよりも、今のお前さんの
気持を大切にする事じゃな
。[END]
Know anything about these too? They appear after the era choices at the End of Time, but I can't seem to find equivalents.
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We potentially have a gold mine with the End of Time. If Google Translate is correct, Gaspar outright states that the pendant has to react with the Time Egg to create a distortion; that it has to be done near one of Lavos's space-time distortions; and that Gaspar recognizes Magus from the Ocean Temple (which was later changed to recognizing him as Janus, who "aged quite a bit"). The last two strings also seem to be messages from the developers.
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End of Time Party Lines
It seems several unique "take me along?" lines existed for the parts of the game where Crono was required to be in the party:
Actually, these lines appear when you talk to Crono in the End of Time.
過去を変える事がいつもベストな方法とは
限らないんじゃ。
過去をこうかいするよりも、今のお前さんの
気持を大切にする事じゃな……。[END]
This is said when bit 02 of 7F005A (Lucca flags) is set.
Interestingly, when bit 01 or 02 of 7F00AB is set, you get the picture I've attached.
In the events, there's an object there which sets bit 02 of 7F005A and sends you to Lucca's room.
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Judging from Google Translate, I'm going to go ahead and call that this is the 990 A.D. event.
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Here's my description of what happens:
(Talk to Gaspar with bit 01 of 7F00AB set):
老人「あそこの、はなれたゲートには
行ってはならんぞ……。
ことにお前さんらのような
わかものはな……。
(Lucca goes over to the corner, if in the party)
ルッカ「……。
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff83/TtravelrKev/Misc%20CT%20Stuff/Lucca_PreEndofTime.png)
(Party regroups).
(I'm not sure how to trigger it normally, but when you use the gate)
ルッカ「このゲート、一体どこへ？
Those 65,000,000 B.C. lines are said in the meeting site. The first one is said by a male villager (not a chief).
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ジャリ「このバージョンではこの先には
行けないジャリ。[END]
Jari: In this version you can't go beyond this point, jari.
Any idea where this appears?
One more text block + unpointed text block, and the script is done!
Edit: And the lists, but those should be easy.
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That's the barrier of imps at the north end of 1000 A.D. Guardia forest. I guess it's sad in some ways that this is nearly complete.
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One last thing. Since Temporal Flux doesn't display the credits, how do I get at this:
In the final, from 0x3DA200h to 0x3DA9FF, there is a block of ASCII text containing the credits. There are a few things that make this odd though. First of all, it is stored as plain ASCII, standard computer encoding, while all the rest of the game uses the encoding unique to the game. More oddness at the end:
THE END.B.C.650000000.A.D.600.A.D.2300.BEIDESU/NANASINO GONBEIDESU/NANASINO GONBEIDESU/NANASINO GONBEIDESU.THE END
First, the text, The End. 'The End' does appear at the end of the credits, but as a large golden graphic, not as plain text as the rest of this. Immediately after we have text for 65m, 600 AD, and 2300 AD. Why are there era names here, and why only three? The next part may answer it: 2300 AD overwrites halfway into NANASHINO GONBEIDESU ('nameless' in Japanese). The nanashi's continue, ending with a similar THE END. Most likely, the era names were held over from an earlier version that used that text somewhere, possibly in the credits (remember that in the Epoch ending, scenes from 65m [Kino & Ayla on dactyls], 2300 AD [good future with Robo and Atropos], and 600 AD [Leene and Frog/Glenn]). Purely conjecture here, but perhaps originally when these scenes were shown, this text displayed to show the era. If that's the case as well, then maybe the original scene order was 65m -> 600 AD -> 2300 AD, instead of ending in 600 like in the final. Well, I like the way the final turned out. =) The 'nanashi no gonbei desu' phrases were probably place holders for the future names of playtesters and such for the credits. This text does not appear in the prerelease.
Edit: The enemy names are full of good stuff which Ryoga has translated and visually documented, so release won't be tonight. I have to add this stuff to the encyclopedia.
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(Talk to Gaspar with bit 01 of 7F00AB set):
老人「あそこの、はなれたゲートには
行ってはならんぞ
。
ことにお前さんらのような
わかものはな
。
Old Man:
That gate over there
shouldn't be entered......
Especially by kids
like you......
(Lucca goes over to the corner, if in the party)
ルッカ「
。
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff83/TtravelrKev/Misc%20CT%20Stuff/Lucca_PreEndofTime.png)
(Party regroups).
(I'm not sure how to trigger it normally, but when you use the gate)
ルッカ「このゲート、一体どこへ？
Lucca:
Where in the world does this gate go?
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Thanks; that clinches it.
Does anyone have Chickenlump's old Pretweaker.exe? I need it to check out a couple enemies for editing the monster page.
Edit: The script is ready. I'll now prepare a news update for the site to carry the announcement.
Edit 2: For Glitter, this line is also related to the Lucca event:
老人「だから言ったろう。
行ってはならんと
。
過去を変える事がいつもベストな方法とは
限らないんじゃ。
過去をこうかいするよりも、今のお前さんの
気持を大切にする事じゃな
。[END]
I'll e-mail you about the script.
Edit 3: For those who don't want to wait - http://chronofan.com/Black/Publications/CT%20Prerelease%20Script%20Untranslated.xls
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I don't know where to get a copy of pretweaker, but you could do it manually.
Speaking of pre-release >_>
Open it up in any hex editor, and go to offset 3AC305.
It should read as 92.
It modifies the Gato event in the millenial fair, more specifically, what monster loads into the room.
That was a headered offset, so 3AC105.
Some of the lines marked "PRETRANSLATE" actually do exist in the final.
The ones at the start of the Blackbird block exist in the "JP $370000 / US $370000" block in the final.
" こんな未来なんか変えちゃおうよ！" has a translation from Paul Jensen.
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Perhaps this is not the right place to ask, but in the script, there are some strange characters, for example:
TOMA XIII: Ancient scrolls tell us that if
you combine the Rainbow Sell with a
Sun Stone, you can make a fearsome
weapon!
The "Shell" is sorta strange, or perhaps it is just because I'm using the wrong encoding?
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Vehek, if you have the spreadsheet, what is the intended purpose of the lines starting at 8493? Here's an example:
Lucca: Shall we go?
Get Off
Look at Appearance
Stop
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Script translation is done except for a few appendices and the parts with the wrong tables.
[Man]
Laruba people together
now, but again some
say make new
village.
[Woman]
Laruba people worshipped
strange stone like god.
Ladies and gentlemen, Laruba = Zeal, Ioka = Earthbound may have just been codified...
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Laruba people worshipped
strange stone like god.
Question is, did they touch it yet, or did they wait 62 million years?
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I'm willing to bet that's referring to Lavos, which can be considered a big stone falling out of the sky. Although it sounds closer to that "icky rock" thing, so maybe we should compare the Japanese referred to each....
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Of course, we must remember that the pre-release is an earlier version.
For example, the people of Medina aren't mostly friendly to humans in the final.
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Yeah, I should say that... please, please remember that many things were cut for a reason, not only space constraints or unnecessary dialogue but because they didn't fit in with the story or didn't make sense.
The only thing you can consider canon is the story as you have it, in the released version. Everything else is how the game was going to be, once upon a time.
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The Loose Ends Post [I'll always edit this in the future]
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では、コホン
Missed in the spreadsheet. Said by the Algetty man before he begins his story on the magical kingdom of Zeal. Perhaps preparing to speak.
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[Woman]
ラルバの民 へんな石
神だといって あがめてた。[END]
[Woman]
Laruba people worshiped
strange stone like god.
[Man]
こないだ へんな石みつけた
もってると 気持ち悪かった
すぐすてた。[END]
[Man]
Found weird rock.
Felt sick when have
Threw away soon.
Compare stone / rock in these to see if these lines are talking about the same thing, and see if the Laruba line stone can in any way be correlated with the "Red Star" of Lavos.
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ルッカ「ますます、1人じゃ
行かせられないわね
エイラには、ずいぶんおせわに
なったし
おんの売り逃げってのは
気に入らないわ。[END]
Lucca: We can't let you go
all alone
Plus, I've grown
to like you
I don't like the idea of skipping out on owing
someone a favor.
Unlikely, but is there any romantic tinge to Lucca's "I've grown to like you......"?
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でも
今日もここまでだ ひきつづき
他の場所を デバックしてくれクロ。[END]
めす4[END]
But
Today ends here. You've been going for a long time.
Please debug other places, Cro.
Mesu4
Any guess to what Mesu4 means is welcome (not necessarily from Glitter, I mean).
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老人「フフ、そう言われた事も
ある様な気もするよ
。
何せここは、時の最果てだからね。[END]
Old Man: Fu fu
I feel as though I've been called that
before
This is the Brink of Time, you see.
What exactly does he intend to say by reminding them that they're at the End of Time? Is he merely talking about his origin?
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老人「よお、お前さん達。
お前さん達も見たかい？ あれを。
この間、とほうもなく大きな黒い影が
よぎって行ったのさ
。
ありゃ何だろう？
どこかで見た気もするが
ジールの海底神殿
？
いや、もっと別の
[END]
Old Man: Oi, you there.
Did you see it too?
Just now, a dark silhouette, aimlessly
drifting by
I wonder what it could be?
I feel as though I've seen it before
...
Zeal's Ocean Floor Palace
?
No, something different
I thought this was his recognizing the Prophet, but after Glitter's translation, it seems that came earlier. This is a totally unique line. Is he talking about the appearance of the Black Omen? Or the opening of Lucca's 990 A.D. Gate?
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[Unknown]
ざんねんですが、今回のヴァージョンでは
ここはプレイしていただけません。
この先に待つ物は製品をお楽しみに
していただいて、左のゲートから
その他の世界をごらん下さい。[END]
[Unknown]
It's unfortunate, but we can't let you play here
in this version.
To play with the items you had before,
take a look at the other world beyond
the left gate.
Where is this said, if it's possible to find? Glitter's note: "This debug message looks like it was written by someone else; they spelled "version" differently." It comes at the end of the End of Time dialogue, and after the line from Lucca about a console opening a passageway (which is in the final...Arris Dome, I think?)
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マール「よーし、正面から行こう！[END]
ルッカ「だ、だいじょぶかしらね
。[END]
ロボ「危険デスガ
やってみマショウ！[END]
カエル「いちかばちか、やってみっか！[END]
エイラ「さすが [pc1]！
エイラも そう思う！[END]
魔王「バカが
、まあいい。
行ってみろ。[END]
Forgot to mark these for translation.
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魔王「バカめが
！[END]
Blackbird. Forgot to mark this for translation.
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[Knight]
えーい、私はお前達のいどばた会議に
つきあってるヒマはない！[END]
[Young Woman]
王妃様も、おわかいんですもの。
ムリもないわよね。[END]
Forgot to mark for translation; Guardia Castle.
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Part-Timer self reminder. What does SDI stand for self reminder. Bikku Lapis self reminder.
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The " きおくのかがみ " item (Mirror of Memories) corresponds with the description "Escape", so if anyone's feeling adventurous, hack it into inventory in the Prerelease and try to use it for that purpose in battle and boss battle.
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The Loose Ends Post [I'll always edit this in the future]
おい、あんたたち。[END] "Hey, you there."
This line appears orphaned. It should go before the Green Imp's question about worshiping Lavos at Medina Square. If we can't find it in the game's code, then yeah, it's orphaned; no big deal.
This line appeared for me when I adjusted the stringbank of the event.
This is the Brink of Time, you see.
When I read machine translations of this, I thought that was saying that it was appropriate for the Philosopher of Time to be there. I don't know if that's right though.
The Magus's Lair debug message. It simply appears if you beat Magus, right? My memory's fuzzy.
Magus' Inner Sanctum isn't implemented in the pre, so probably no.
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老人「フフ、そう言われた事も
ある様な気もするよ
。
何せここは、時の最果てだからね。[END]
hehe, I have a feeling that I've told you about that before...but any way, this place is called the end of time.
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Thanks. I searched for the line about "Something drifting by / Zeal's Ocean Palace? No..." but it's not in the End of Time, so it must be from an earlier stage of development. I strongly guess that it's the appearance of Lucca's Gate, which does seem to be outside the End of Time, as if passing by and Gaspar noticed it.
Edit: Can't find "It's unfortunate, but we can't let you play herein this version." anywhere in the End of Time or Arris Dome. I'm guessing it was a message that'd display if you tried to activate a certain Gate upon arriving to the End of Time. I'll venture that since the player could have played through 1000 A.D., 600 A.D., and 2300 A.D. by that point, it was probably the Gate to 65,000,000 B.C. (maybe the overworld wasn't finished).
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The " きおくのかがみ " item (Mirror of Memories) corresponds with the description "Escape"
This turns out to be a menu consumable (like Shelter) instead of a battle item. When activated in a location, the party is warped back to the overworld map at the exit that was last used.
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Now that is really cool. I like that item!
Edit: Would we be able to mimic that into the final version of CT but force it to teleport to a specific location? I have an idea for this little bugger.
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You can try changing the Consumable and Key Items effect byte of a consumable (tonic, shelter, etc.) to see if the warp effect is still there. I only looked at the menu check, and that piece of code described above got deleted in the final version.
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0C0AAE - 02 2C 01 is the data for it, if you change 02 to 0, it won't work, but if you change the others to 00 00, it still works fine.
Edit: No, it doesn't exist in the final at all from what I'm seeing.
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The Loose Ends Post [I'll always edit this in the future]
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では、コホン
Well then, ahem......
Missed in the spreadsheet. Said by the Algetty man before he begins his story on the magical kingdom of Zeal. Perhaps preparing to speak.
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[Woman]
ラルバの民 へんな石
神だといって あがめてた。[END]
[Woman]
Laruba people worshiped
strange stone like god.
[Man]
こないだ へんな石みつけた
もってると 気持ち悪かった
すぐすてた。[END]
[Man]
Found weird rock.
Felt sick when have
Threw away soon.
Compare stone / rock in these to see if these lines are talking about the same thing, and see if the Laruba line stone can in any way be correlated with the "Red Star" of Lavos.
Yes, "strange stone" and "weird rock" are the same words (へんな石) in Japanese, so you can change one to match the other, it doesn't matter which.
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ルッカ「ますます、1人じゃ
行かせられないわね
エイラには、ずいぶんおせわに
なったし
おんの売り逃げってのは
気に入らないわ。[END]
Lucca: We can't let you go
all alone
Plus, I've grown
to like you
I don't like the idea of skipping out on owing
someone a favor.
Lucca: We can't let you go
all alone
Plus, you helped
us out
I don't like the idea of skipping out on owing
someone a favor.
http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/cgi-bin/wwwjdic.cgi?1F says:
世話になる 【せわになる】 (exp) (See お世話になる) to receive favor (favour); to be much obliged to someone; to be indebted
I seem to have misunderstood this as "getting along well with someone" when I heard it in the past, but the dictionary definition and subsequent explanation from a friend shows that I made a mistake. My apologies!
Unlikely, but is there any romantic tinge to Lucca's "I've grown to like you......"?
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でも
今日もここまでだ ひきつづき
他の場所を デバックしてくれクロ。[END]
めす4[END]
But
Today ends here. You've been going for a long time.
Please debug other places, Cro.
Mesu4
Any guess to what Mesu4 means is welcome (not necessarily from Glitter, I mean).
I wasn't sure, I was hoping that would call up something from the minds of the more technically oriented as I haven't seen it as part of debug text before.
召す 【めす】 (v5s,vt) (1) to call; to send for; (2) to put on; to wear; to take (a bath); to ride in; to buy; to eat; to drink; to catch (a cold);
However, "call" or "send for" could be promising?
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老人「フフ、そう言われた事も
ある様な気もするよ
。
何せここは、時の最果てだからね。[END]
Old Man: Fu fu
I feel as though I've been called that
before
This is the Brink of Time, you see.
What exactly does he intend to say by reminding them that they're at the End of Time? Is he merely talking about his origin?
何せ = at any rate
ここは = here (is)
時の最果て = The Brink of Time
だから = so/therefore
ね = isn't it? (particle seeking and anticipating listeners' agreement)
"At any rate, it's because this place is the Brink of Time, isn't it," would be very literal...
I assume it implies that he's heard that because everything that ever happened before happened in the past (as they're at the Brink of Time). Does that make any sense?
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老人「よお、お前さん達。
お前さん達も見たかい？ あれを。
この間、とほうもなく大きな黒い影が
よぎって行ったのさ
。
ありゃ何だろう？
どこかで見た気もするが
ジールの海底神殿
？
いや、もっと別の
[END]
Old Man: Oi, you there.
Did you see it too?
Just now, a dark silhouette, aimlessly
drifting by
I wonder what it could be?
I feel as though I've seen it before
...
Zeal's Ocean Floor Palace
?
No, something different
I thought this was his recognizing the Prophet, but after Glitter's translation, it seems that came earlier. This is a totally unique line. Is he talking about the appearance of the Black Omen? Or the opening of Lucca's 990 A.D. Gate?
~~~~~~~~
[Unknown]
ざんねんですが、今回のヴァージョンでは
ここはプレイしていただけません。
この先に待つ物は製品をお楽しみに
していただいて、左のゲートから
その他の世界をごらん下さい。[END]
[Unknown]
It's unfortunate, but we can't let you play here
in this version.
To play with the items you had before,
take a look at the other world beyond
the left gate.
Where is this said, if it's possible to find? Glitter's note: "This debug message looks like it was written by someone else; they spelled "version" differently." It comes at the end of the End of Time dialogue, and after the line from Lucca about a console opening a passageway (which is in the final...Arris Dome, I think?)
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マール「よーし、正面から行こう！[END]
Marle: Okay, let's go from the front!
ルッカ「だ、だいじょぶかしらね
。[END]
Lucca: I, I wonder if it's safe......
ロボ「危険デスガ
やってみマショウ！[END]
Robo: It's dangerous, but......
Let's give it a try!
カエル「いちかばちか、やってみっか！[END]
Frog: It's sink or swim, let's give it a shot!
エイラ「さすが [pc1]！
エイラも そう思う！[END]
Ayla: Even so, [pc1]!
Ayla think so too!
魔王「バカが
、まあいい。
行ってみろ。[END]
Magus: It's idiocy, but.... whatever.
We shall go.
Forgot to mark these for translation.
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魔王「バカめが
！[END]
Magus: Idiots......!
Not sure who he's addressing... he could be talking about someone rather than to the party.
Blackbird. Forgot to mark this for translation.
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[Knight]
えーい、私はお前達のいどばた会議に
つきあってるヒマはない！[END]
I don't have the time to listen
to your idle chatter!
[Young Woman]
王妃様も、おわかいんですもの。
ムリもないわよね。[END]
The queen is young.
There is nothing she cannot do.
Forgot to mark for translation; Guardia Castle.
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Part-Timer self reminder. What does SDI stand for self reminder. Bikku Lapis self reminder.
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The " きおくのかがみ " item (Mirror of Memories) corresponds with the description "Escape", so if anyone's feeling adventurous, hack it into inventory in the Prerelease and try to use it for that purpose in battle and boss battle.
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Here's something from Lorenz:
Also, one more thing, I was reading the CT Prelease translation thing and noticed that there is a part of text in the End of Time that you have described as a mystery. The part whre the old guy is talking about seeing some black shape and asking the kids about it. There is some speculation about it being Lucca's time warp, etc.. Anwyay, I read over the Japanese and he is absolutely talking about the emergence of the Black Dream. Also, he is not saying "just now" he is saying "konoaida" which means an undiclosed time in the not so distant past. He is not talking about something he just saw seconds ago; he is talking about a little while back when the Black Dream rose from the depths. That's why he menitons the Underwater Palace, too. Anyway, just wanted to clear that part up.
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Thanks, Lorenz!
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End of Time Party Lines
It seems several unique "take me along?" lines existed for the parts of the game where Crono was required to be in the party:
Actually, these lines appear when you talk to Crono in the End of Time.
I feel like elaborating on this comment of mine from years ago.
As you probably already know, in the final, you get a prompt instead of dialogue when you talk to Crono in the End of Time, since he's a silent protagonist. The pre-release doesn't do that. Instead, it flips the role of party leader and reserve member: The party leader asks Crono to join them, and the player gets to choose how Crono responds. That's what those lines are for. So they're for when Crono is out of the party, not the pre-Ocean Palace when he's always in it.
It's too bad it doesn't work well with how the final behaves when making decisions. It'd look strange if an active PC asks a question yet they're the one thinking over the question.