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Enhasa Halls - Chrono Series Analysis => Characters, Plot, and Themes => Topic started by: Magus_Brokenhart on May 23, 2007, 07:59:02 pm
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I just wanted to ask, is there any chance that the long-haired man in the clip is Garai?
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Yes. There's a topic about this somewhere.
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I see. So does that make him evil? I was always under the impression that Garai's soul darkened onyl after he was betrayed by Radius.
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could it be dalton? i mean he said outside the flow of time.
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What people usually say is that it could not be Dalton because his gates were not time gates. They were dimensional gates to transport his Golems from wherever they originate. Also, Dalton was not really that smart, so it is unlikely that he'd build a time machine, or learn how to time travel via magic. He WOULD have the motivation, but that's about all you can give to him.
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No he was after the Ocean palace insident all gurus and him teleported in tame and he go to present
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I was Magus, guys. He's a class A dick, the only thing he cares about is Schala, and the Fall of Guardia was just the first step in Kid's journey of returning to her "original" state.
...More likely, this guy is Entity 2, put in at the last minute(applies to E as far as Trigger goes) to cover up the major plot hole of Crono and Marle being total badasses.
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Just a random, unimportant Porrean. He's not just a shadow because it's a mystery, but because his identity doesn't matter.
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On a bit of a tangent, but has it ever been discussed before if Belthasar was behind the Fall of Guardia? Porre, after all, factored into Project Kid so he may have needed to shift the balance of world powers.
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On a bit of a tangent, but has it ever been discussed before if Belthasar was behind the Fall of Guardia? Porre, after all, factored into Project Kid so he may have needed to shift the balance of world powers.
It's possible, I guess... But, I have my doubts that Belthazar would purposely set in a chain of events that would cause the annihilation of guardia and the deaths of so many. But who knows, maybe he *knew* their deaths were necessary for the survival of the planet, and the human race, in the long run. Then again, he could have just taken advantage of an inevitable war that was going to happen anyways.
Hmmm... :? Makes you wonder, though...
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While Belthasar's plan eventually would save all of existence or w/e...his main goal seems to have been just to save Schala.
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So who the heck could corrupted the Masamune because Masa and Mue said that they were at sleep.
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Whoever holds the sword corrupts it.
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so how frog doesn't corrupted it.
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Whoever holds the sword can corrupt it.
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The Masamune is imbued by the wielder's personality. So for Glenn it didn't turn evil because he had a pure heart, but when some evil guy stole it, the Masamune turned evil too.
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I think it's a case-by-case kind of thing...
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i think so to. but to turn it you have to be REALLY strong hearted... because karsh, radius, etc. couldn't turn it...
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Who can tell w/those CC characters' mediocre character development? Maybe they were bastards...we know at least that Karsh had a jealous heart. Also, it took Glenn time to fully unlock the power himself. Self-doubt & guilt can also hamper the blade.
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well we're certainly going with what he have, and what we DO know and what we DO have, points in the direction that the blade (formed from dreamstone, mind you) becomes the embodiment of it's wielder's dreams. thus it's different forms.
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The wielder's dreams? Where does it say that? I don't remember that...
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i'm not talking literal dreams, i'm referring to the 'embodiment of their heart', if you will. someone with a pure heart (ie - serge, frog, cyrus) can wield the sword in it's "good" state just as others wielded it in it's "bad" state (and were unable to conquer the sword's current "bad" influence). make sense? no?
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Yea, that makes sense. The weilder's dreams most likely run parallel with their good/evil aura.
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I think it's less their 'dreams' and more like their inner focus, power, or will. Like how Spekkio says Magic is determined...there's a lot of interplay between Dreamstone & Magic, after all.
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I think we're getting confused by the definition of the word "dreams", but then again, several meanings seem to work in Chrono world.
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Which is why I choose not to use it as much as possible to define things that I can use other words for...
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placidchap, you understood it perfectly.
dreams, inner focus, power, will = "different names for the same thing".
(courtesy of ben gibbard.)
either way, we all understand the concept. it's not exactly a hard one to grasp; it doesn't take an einstein, despite what word we use to describe it.
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Still, even semantics can be important in these kinds of discussions here.
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So have we determined here that Garai has turned the Masamune evil?
I would think, considering the way Dario fights, and considering his black elemental type, that something far greater than Garai's hopes and dreams corrupted the Masamune. I mean we're talking about one of the most powerful artifacts in both major games here. I'm thinking there had to be some outside influence in the corruption of the Masamune. It is even possible that when Frog died, the sword was sealed away for many years, allowing Masa and Mune to fall asleep. They could have been restraining the evil created in the sword when it was forged within the Mammon Machine, and when they fell asleep, it manifested itself as another controlling entity for the sword. Thus the different shape, color, and capabilities it has.
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Nice cut and paste post, hahaha... :lol:
And I wouldn't say Garai turned it. Perhaps it was someone BEFORE Garai? After all, there's about a 15 year window between the ending of Chrono Trigger (the anime one that takes place in 1005 AD) and Chrono Cross (taking place in 1020 AD.
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Nice cut and paste post, hahaha... :lol:
I figured it fit better in the other topic.
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No worries! Just playing! Welcome to the Compendium, by the way!
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He's not new, he has been contributing for a weil. (http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php/topic,2375.msg58762.html#msg58762)
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Daggum! My bad!