Chrono Compendium
Termina Esplanade - Special Events and Feedback => Dream Splash Contests => Dream Splash I - Zeal [2007] => Topic started by: Satoh on June 07, 2008, 01:58:05 am
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First off, I have only this to work from:
http://sdb.drshnaps.com/images/BGs/CT/ZealPalace.png
Now, my question is this:
There are 3 doorways in that image:
One on the far left, leading down a hallway to a fork that leads to Janus and Schala's rooms.
One leading down the main corridor (in the center) to the Mammon machine room.
But, where does the one farthest to the right lead? (or I may have it backwards and that one leads to J and S's rooms...)
Is it the room that resembles the Mammon Machine room, but has some sort of throan instead? (I don't remember well... and I don't have ZSNES with me or the patience to play up to Zeal just for a small detail lookup...)
If there's a map here on the compendium that I may have missed, please point it out?
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Right rooms
Left Mammon machine
Center the royal throne, similar to the mammon machine room.
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Bah! I was completely wrong on all accounts XD;;;
Oh well useful much, thanks.
I'll show off my prelims as soon as I get something decent looking... til then...
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I'm hoping progress is worthy of a double post...
Here is the first image of Zeal Palace, unskinned, low detail...
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Good so far! What app are you using?
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Maya 8.5, I took a class in it last semester. I had some issues with the stairs, if you look at the original map, some of the stairs don't seem to occupy all 3 dimentions...(like they're painted onto the wall) So I had to take a little creative leeway... But I suppose a few things can't be helped... I plan on making the whole palace one file, continous mapped, from the main hall to all the corridors, to the rooms, to the mammon machine... if they all fit without overlapping.
(BTW, the mammon machine the JS rooms both use the same hallway right? and the Throne room uses a different one?
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Maya 8.5, I took a class in it last semester. I had some issues with the stairs, if you look at the original map, some of the stairs don't seem to occupy all 3 dimentions...(like they're painted onto the wall) So I had to take a little creative leeway... But I suppose a few things can't be helped... I plan on making the whole palace one file, continous mapped, from the main hall to all the corridors, to the rooms, to the mammon machine... if they all fit without overlapping.
(BTW, the mammon machine the JS rooms both use the same hallway right? and the Throne room uses a different one?
Nice to see someone else use Maya as well.
If you have any questions about the program, please feel free to ask.
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(BTW, the mammon machine the JS rooms both use the same hallway right? and the Throne room uses a different one?
Mammon machine is the far right one. Hall to the throne is the one left of that. J & S's hallway is the one below the throne room hallway.
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(BTW, the mammon machine the JS rooms both use the same hallway right? and the Throne room uses a different one?
Mammon machine is the far right one. Hall to the throne is the one left of that. J & S's hallway is the one below the throne room hallway.
Sorry, no I meant, that the design of the hallways leading to Janus and Schala's room is the same design as the one leading to the Machine.... right?
Or does the machine room's hallway have the same structure as the throne room's...?
See: First post link for reference to what I mean... One hallway has gargoyle statues in it (presumably the one leading to the machine and sleeping quarters) while another hallway has maiden statues(assumedly the one leading to the throne) there is no third hallway design so one must be used twice, I need to know which one...
Did that make sense that time?
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Janus & Schala don't really have a "hallway"; it's just the room below the maiden statues on the picture you gave.
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Janus & Schala don't really have a "hallway"; it's just the room below the maiden statues on the picture you gave.
Ahhhh ok, I hadn't even considered that as a possibility... Thanks, it makes more sense now.... though I may not be able to fit all the rooms in here without changing proportions... looks like Janus and Schala's room might intercept the throne room corridor....
I'll figure something out though! I want to make it seem as accurate as possible.
EDIT: I forgot to mention, that I'm using the actual16x16 gridwork of the tiles to get my proportions some things don't seem to match up realisticly between the 2d and 3d but it'll look pretty good in the end anyway...I hope.
EDIT2:here's how I have things linking up right now, look right?
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New progress...
Here is the bulk of the rooms all assembled... unfortunitely, the throne room hallway and schala's room DID in fact intersect by two tiles... so I made both of them marginally thinner... not extremely noticable... but it annoys me...
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Woah. Satoh, if you complete this and tilt it a bit, you could make a pre-rendered backdrop that could be used in the Chrono Cross hack, perhaps for some kind of flashback or temporal-dimensional trickery or something. Very nice!
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I try very hard to get the accuracy... the real trick is gonna be the throne and machine rooms... as they're rendered in an odd perspective that's... distinctly not often seen in the game... I'll figure out some way of deperspectivating it so I can get it's proportions... eventually...not only that but it has all those wierd gargoyls in it's base...
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I can definitely see the problem with the stairs in from of the hall to the MM.
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Woah. Satoh, if you complete this and tilt it a bit, you could make a pre-rendered backdrop that could be used in the Chrono Cross hack, perhaps for some kind of flashback or temporal-dimensional trickery or something. Very nice!
That would fit right in wouldn't it? I mean Magus was from Zeal... but... don't forget you would also have to create a lot more resources in order to make a new map... like foreground and background objects, the walkmesh...(I assume CC uses them) and all the event handling... and the warps for all the doors...
But hey, until recently I would've said you were crazy if you wanted to hack a PSX game... then again...you already have a retextured Guile... so why not, with a little time...?
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Yeah, figuring out the walkmesh format is a prerequisite for major Cross hacking, so it's on my list of things to do. I'm hoping the door warps will be in the fieldscript, along with the event handling. Utilizing completely fanmade resources in certain instances would be awesome.
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It certainly would!
[PROGRESS] (http://s86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/eremes/?action=view¤t=CCrender3.png)
I added the railings and the book shelves... I'm starting to feel like I'm actually in Zeal when I work on this model...
The bookcase, was by far the hardest, most annoying, object I have ever tried to reproduce... but I think it is a reletively accurate rendition of the sprited one in the game... (though I haven't put any random books or objects in the shelves yet, all of the shelves themselves are placed.)
EDIT: and I modified the placement of the stairs to better fit the 'intent' of the original maps... since some of the stairs look 2D from the front in the game...
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More progress, I've textured some things to prettify it...
mainly the floor, and part of some of the walls.
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Floor texture looks excellent - a nice parquet.
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the tiles at the bottom took a long time, because rather than make one texture with the blue and gray tiles, I made a texture for the blue ones and a texture for the gray ones and placed the textures individually...(in the same way the that BG tiles were probably placed when making the original map for the game...)
Basically, all of the 16x16 BG tiles, will be redrawn in higher definition in photoshop as separate textures...essentially I'm making a 3D tilemap out of a 2D tilemap...
Some objects aren't cube shaped and will need custom textures though....like the bookcases, and probably the railing.... and the plants...
Anyone ever noticed the images of the Mammon Machine are drawn everywhere in Zeal? the sealed doors have a likeness, a lot of the walls have them... all of the wall panels in the Black Omen are shaped similarly to it... granted it does look pretty cool, but did they build the machine in the image of something else, or did they randomly decide to paint pics of the machine all over their country?
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Looks great so far, when your done do you plan on releasing the model or just renders of it? I'd love to look around at the finished product when it is completed.
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I'll probably release it... I'm also gonna be building Lavos at some point...likely after Zeal... but Zeal isn't nearly done yet... I still have lots of textures and a royaly painful amount of detail/tweaking to do...
And I have to figure out a way to make sure my name is on the model somewhere without being intrusive...
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:) Well either way, it looks great so far, best of luck re-creating the textures and applying them.
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Wow thats looking really good, I love your book shelves the most
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Great 3D work.. i'm looking forward to the finished poduct.. that may yet be a long way off, but i believe you guys can pull it off.. :)
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Wow, can't wait to see Lavos in glorious 3D!
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well, I'm not the first, there was a man by the name of Ian McConville who made one as a Morrowind mod...
Unfortunietly by the time I worked up the nerve to ask if I could have a copy, he had already lost it in HDD failure.... but I have a pic of it somewhere... I'm going to model it after his pic...
Let me find it...
Unfortunitely I can't locate the picture on this computer, but I'll upload it once I find my "My Pictures" DVD from my old PC... Myabe I can find a link to it...
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I saw that Lavos mod in Morrowind! That guy is the guy who made the Moogle mod, right? It was seriously KICKASS. I thought I had pictures of it on my harddrive, but I don't... Nor could I track it down in a quick Google search. I think it was near Balmora...
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I saw that Lavos mod in Morrowind! That guy is the guy who made the Moogle mod, right? It was seriously KICKASS. I thought I had pictures of it on my harddrive, but I don't... Nor could I track it down in a quick Google search. I think it was near Balmora...
I seriously wish I'd had a copy of th mod... and yes he authored the mogmod as well...
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Progress~
here it is, a special thing for my Zeal model...
It's big, its powerful, and it may even contain the frozen flame.... what is it, all?
IT'S---!
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That's pretty damn excellent, Satoh. Good enough to be a battle model, in fact...
Tell ya what. When you're finished with this, grab a 2D render and I'll insert it in some room in Chrono Cross, just for kicks and to show everyone what can be done presently. When we've got a script that can convert from BLEND > Chrono Cross format models, we'll do a test in which we replace the Time Devourer with the Mammon Machine or something. This'll be great.
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In this situation Borat would say, wuh wuh woo wah!
But I'm just gonna say, kick ass.
And Faustwolf, that's actually a great idea: replacing the Time Devourer with the Mammon Machine! Do I hear side quests? Final boss mods? Additional game content? WOOT!
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Granted, I still have some more physical bits to make before I start the texture...
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OMG that looks awesome so far! :shock: :mrgreen:
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OK, dev on this project is halted for a while since I'm doing a lot of other things...
But be sure to check out the "Putting Magus in CC" topic to see most of what I'm doing
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Yeah, in all honesty, that work is more important this one. Seriously. Godspeed!
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My dad is taking courses in Maya and I've tried it a bit myself, but I'm intimidated about using it because all these new versions pop out that require thousand dollar upgrades and..UGH!
But yeah, I am pretty jealous! Nice work hun!
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My dad is taking courses in Maya and I've tried it a bit myself, but I'm intimidated about using it because all these new versions pop out that require thousand dollar upgrades and..UGH!
But yeah, I am pretty jealous! Nice work hun!
Try Blender. Its free and extremly professional in a sense where it has even become a competition for Maya and 3D Max. . .
Thats some awesome modeling. Very quality stuff your making, can't wait to see the renders with texture mapping.
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Try Blender. Its free and extremly professional in a sense where it has even become a competition for Maya and 3D Max. . .
Thats some awesome modeling. Very quality stuff your making, can't wait to see the renders with texture mapping.
Mind if you could give me the link to its homepage? I'd like to try it.
EDIT: Nevermind, got it ^_^
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Try Blender. Its free and extremly professional in a sense where it has even become a competition for Maya and 3D Max. . .
Thats some awesome modeling. Very quality stuff your making, can't wait to see the renders with texture mapping.
Mind if you could give me the link to its homepage? I'd like to try it.
EDIT: Nevermind, got it ^_^
It's quite the program. In the past, I had some experience in both Max and Maya (none of them long term) and I decided to stick with Blender since I simply "could do more, in less time" with Blender when compared to Max and Maya. . . plus, the latest version, 2.46, has a built in hair styling editor, which allows for very precise control over hair and fur, neither Max nor Maya have that yet.
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It's quite the program. In the past, I had some experience in both Max and Maya (none of them long term) and I decided to stick with Blender since I simply "could do more, in less time" with Blender when compared to Max and Maya. . . plus, the latest version, 2.46, has a built in hair styling editor, which allows for very precise control over hair and fur, neither Max nor Maya have that yet.
Yeah. I watched a bit of the video tutorials. Although, having a Mac laptop with only a one button touchpad, I had to remap some keys to function as right-click/middle-click using a useful tool called AutoHotkey.
I'm surprised too. It's very lightweight. I am definately going to enjoy it!
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By the way, I'm running Vista on my mac because of productivity gain. Latest version of Mac OS X comes with a partitioning utility for Intel Macs called Bootcamp. It allows you to install XP or Vista on your mac and so far I haven't had ANY mac-related setbacks with it, except for the mouse/keys, which I easily remapped.
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It's quite the program. In the past, I had some experience in both Max and Maya (none of them long term) and I decided to stick with Blender since I simply "could do more, in less time" with Blender when compared to Max and Maya. . . plus, the latest version, 2.46, has a built in hair styling editor, which allows for very precise control over hair and fur, neither Max nor Maya have that yet.
Yeah. I watched a bit of the video tutorials. Although, having a Mac laptop with only a one button touchpad, I had to remap some keys to function as right-click/middle-click using a useful tool called AutoHotkey.
I'm surprised too. It's very lightweight. I am definately going to enjoy it!
You'll soon find that every 3D program will use three buttons on the mouse. Its pretty much a mandatory thing. . . I'd go and buy one, since it helps A LOT to keep the original buttons for the mouse (middle click pans, while scrolling zooms, right click selects, left click does many things, ect.ect.)
Anyway . . . Blender is a pretty awesome program. . . Don't be intimidated by the tons of buttons though. Over time you'll learn what each one does. The UV mapping is defiantly something to get into it as well, it was rated better than the UV mapper included with MAX.
The built in game and particle engines are also extremly powerful, allowing full game capabilities. Don't get your hopes up though, its still requires full programming knowledge though. Python.
Also since its free, the community supporting it is quite large and open. . . helped me a lot when I was getting started.
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You'll soon find that every 3D program will use three buttons on the mouse. Its pretty much a mandatory thing. . . I'd go and buy one, since it helps A LOT to keep the original buttons for the mouse (middle click pans, while scrolling zooms, right click selects, left click does many things, ect.ect.)
Anyway . . . Blender is a pretty awesome program. . . Don't be intimidated by the tons of buttons though. Over time you'll learn what each one does. The UV mapping is defiantly something to get into it as well, it was rated better than the UV mapper included with MAX.
The built in game and particle engines are also extremly powerful, allowing full game capabilities. Don't get your hopes up though, its still requires full programming knowledge though. Python.
Also since its free, the community supporting it is quite large and open. . . helped me a lot when I was getting started.
Well, I do have a problem with that. I have mild cerebral palsy in my right hand so all it's capable of doing is holding down 1 button at most while my left hand does the work. Also, there seems to be a big change between Blender 2.34 and 2.46 in that the stuff in the tutorials aren't present for me like Extrude->Region, Mesh->SubSurf.
Also, the only buttons I remapped for my mouse are basically the left and right command keys for the mouse keys. Mouses in general frustrate the hell out of me.
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You'll soon find that every 3D program will use three buttons on the mouse. Its pretty much a mandatory thing. . . I'd go and buy one, since it helps A LOT to keep the original buttons for the mouse (middle click pans, while scrolling zooms, right click selects, left click does many things, ect.ect.)
Anyway . . . Blender is a pretty awesome program. . . Don't be intimidated by the tons of buttons though. Over time you'll learn what each one does. The UV mapping is defiantly something to get into it as well, it was rated better than the UV mapper included with MAX.
The built in game and particle engines are also extremly powerful, allowing full game capabilities. Don't get your hopes up though, its still requires full programming knowledge though. Python.
Also since its free, the community supporting it is quite large and open. . . helped me a lot when I was getting started.
Well, I do have a problem with that. I have mild cerebral palsy in my right hand so all it's capable of doing is holding down 1 button at most while my left hand does the work. Also, there seems to be a big change between Blender 2.34 and 2.46 in that the stuff in the tutorials aren't present for me like Extrude->Region, Mesh->SubSurf.
Also, the only buttons I remapped for my mouse are basically the left and right command keys for the mouse keys. Mouses in general frustrate the hell out of me.
That sucks.
Yes, blender tends to update in one of two ways, minor updates such as 2.42-2.42a or major which is a increase in 0.01 . . .so if your look on a tutorial for 2.43 and using 2.46. . . chances are its going to be A LOT different. Its frustrating, since half the tutorials wont work, but they're out there.
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That sucks.
Yes, blender tends to update in one of two ways, minor updates such as 2.42-2.42a or major which is a increase in 0.01 . . .so if your look on a tutorial for 2.43 and using 2.46. . . chances are its going to be A LOT different. Its frustrating, since half the tutorials wont work, but they're out there.
On my own, I screw up pretty badly. The default cube I accidentally made sink lopsided into the grid. I know how to maneuver it on the X, Y, and Z axises, but I have yet to rotate/zoom in/out of it
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That sucks.
Yes, blender tends to update in one of two ways, minor updates such as 2.42-2.42a or major which is a increase in 0.01 . . .so if your look on a tutorial for 2.43 and using 2.46. . . chances are its going to be A LOT different. Its frustrating, since half the tutorials wont work, but they're out there.
On my own, I screw up pretty badly. The default cube I accidentally made sink lopsided into the grid. I know how to maneuver it on the X, Y, and Z axises, but I have yet to rotate/zoom in/out of it
Give it some time and patience and you'll get it. . . It took me about 4-5 months to get fairly well synced in Blender and I had some past experience in Max . . .
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Give it some time and patience and you'll get it. . . It took me about 4-5 months to get fairly well synced in Blender and I had some past experience in Max . . .
Now my dad wants it, lol. He worked on Disney's Mickey Mouse's Clubhouse children's show, plus for 2D animation he's done Iron Giant, Simpsons, Recess, Fern Gully: The Last Rain Forest, Fivel Goes West, a show in Canada called Family Dog, Fantasia 2000...
He was also nominated for an Anny award earlier this year but didn't get the award.
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Whoa! That's cool about your dad, Schala...
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Whoa! That's cool about your dad, Schala...
Next time you watch any of those movies, watch for "Roy Meurin" in the credits. Don't expect to see his name in the said TV shows though, besides MMC, because he didn't do a lot of episodes for them.
It was weird going to early previews where Iron Giant and stuff still had line art in it o_o