Chrono Compendium
Zenan Plains - Site Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Lord J Esq on September 09, 2005, 01:42:31 pm
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I'm not sure if the Chrono Compendium actually has any liberals on it besides me, but if there are, then here's a real zinger that I think you'll enjoy: According to some tree-hugging bean counters (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/9/22835/18924), Daily Kos has more traffic than the top 50 conservative websites combined. Daily Kos also attracts more traffic than the Fox News website. And five other liberal blogs each have audiences larger than Instapundit, the biggest conservative blog. So now we know! Now we know why the GOPs control the radio and television: All the liberals are online! I've always known that the mainstream of the first Internet generation--the 2800ers--was liberal, because they came out of college labs and basement apartments. But now, several generations later, some of those pioneering liberals have gone on to control many of the most important parts of the Internet, from Google to Slashdot to Daily Kos. Given how integral the Internet will prove in the coming decades, I can't help but intuit that in these statistics we liberals have a major raw advantage slowly fermenting into the sweet ambrosia of victory. The Republicans may control this decade, but they are no match for the full power of a mature secularism, whose coming day has waited ten thousand years. The dynamics of information and accessibility are becoming globalized, instantaneous. Old conservatism has no roots.
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Uh huh. Nice descriptions (NOT!).
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Uh huh. Nice descriptions (NOT!).
You're one of them, aren't you? Gasp!!
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I won't vote unless you change your descriptions. I just lost some respect I had for you.
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I won't vote unless you change your descriptions. I just lost some respect I had for you.
I don't think you can change them after there's been a vote. (And I voted when I made the thread.) Nonetheless, I already know where you stand politically, after those snide word associations you kept making in the other thread. I hardly covet your respect.
Be that as it may, if there is a way to change the voting options, kindly show me and I will neuter them to something that appeals to people of all political stripes.
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Yes, and here I though we were all supposed to get along, be friends, regardless of your political association. And yet you don't care about respect from others on this forum, because they have a different view than you.
And that other thread is a joke thread.
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So now we know! Now we know why the GOPs control the radio and television: All the liberals are online
On the net, and in Canada. You'd probably like it here: our national television service, the CBC, is very liberal-minded, coming from the east such as Ontario and Quebec (who consistantly vote liberal.) I can never quite comprehend it when people talk about the 'conservative media', until I remember that they're speaking about the US media, not Canada. It actually quite surprised me when I went to Chicago some weeks ago how much different in that regard the US is. People on the street actually said 'God bless', something I've never heard in Canada, and the radio... I almost thought it was a parody when I heard the armed forces recruitment ad! Sure, we have such things for our own armed forces (such as they are) but none that speak of defending home and family, and patriotism. Anything to that regard that I've heard has been on the Air Farce or This Hour Has 22 Minutes or some other comedy thing. It's strange how very much the same, yet different, the US is. Anyway, bottom line, from what I've been able to gather of you, you'd probably like Canada better than the US... especially the east like Montreal which I've heard (though I've never been there) is particularly liberal.
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Yes, and here I though we were all supposed to get along, be friends, regardless of your political association. And yet you don't care about respect from others on this forum, because they have a different view than you.
And that other thread is a joke thread.
I apologize for offending you. I'll ask ZeaLitY to delete this thread later.
It's not that I don't care about respect. I care deeply about being respected, and giving respect where it is due. Nevertheless, my ego is not so profoundly overblown that I crave the respect even of people whose beliefs are spiteful toward and dangerous to the world in which I want to live. After the incident with Krispin, I began to realize just how much of a free pass religious conservative bigotry gets on this website, and I don't like that. Why don't I like it? Because, as with everyone else here, I also enjoy the Chrono series, and I admire what ZeaLitY is accomplishing, and I resent being shut out from that by a hateful religious conservative majority. I'll play defense against that garbage any day. And, by your own conduct in many another thread, you lose no love for liberals...so I lose no love for you.
However, I am not interested in spoiling the goodwill of everyone at the Compendium. Sentenal, you're a good guy when you're not being a conservative ass, and I am sorry that I offended you. I also hate that this poll--which I made as an exultant afterthought--has distracted from that wonderful news in my first post in this thread. So, let our enmity fade from here, if you are willing. As I said, I'll have ZeaLitY delete this thread, and I will make a new one, with a more politically correct poll.
=P
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Because like everyone here, I too enjoy the Chrono series, and I admire what ZeaLitY is accomplishing here, and I resent being shut out from that by a religious conservative majority. By your own conduct in many another thread, you lose no love for liberals, and so I lose no love for you.
However, I am not interested in spoiling the goodwill of everyone at the Compendium. Krispin is Krispin, but you're a good guy when you're not being a conservative ass, and I am sorry that I offended you. I also hate that this poll--which I made as an exultant afterthought--has distracted from that wonderful news in my first post in this thread. So, yes, let our enmity fade from here. As I said, I'll have ZeaLitY delete this thread, and I will make a new one, with a more politically correct poll.
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Good! Let the enmity fade, please. In fact, I had no problem at all with this poll, your post (I think it may well be true), or with the list of choices - I only had difficulty choosing between the second from the bottom and third from the bottom (I really am not for killing gays, just for the record, so could not in good will vote for the last.) But really, you're assuming much in that I do not care much for liberals - the left wing has its place, and serves as a good and neccessary foil for the right wing. Granted, I do not much like the far left wing... but I have no more care for the far right wing, either. I actually don't think I was ever a 'conservative ass' per say, anymore than you were being vehemently liberal: and I respect one who holds fast to their own view, be it liberal or conservative... apologies, I was as ass, when I first joined - I don't even want to look back at those first posts of mine. I was too vehement - I apologised, and left for almost a year. I've had my flaws, but hopefully the majority forgave me for my folly.
Hmmm... it seems like I'm the only one beside you that actually voted for this - and I actually did not vote the most extreme. And it's actually odd that you would consider so many here to be stifling you with conservitism. When I first got here, I got into a major argument, me against most of the rest of the Compendium (probably you included) that involved conservatism against liberalism. Radical Dreamer, ZeaLitY, V_Translaka, I think all of those and you, if I remember right, were arrayed against me - that is a fair portion of the forums, and consists of almost the whole old guard. I left for a while because of that, because I felt it too liberal for my tastes - I went back to Chronicles which was far more religious and conservative, as a whole. Only in recent times have such as Legend, Sentenal, and Schala come about who share a more conservative view. Overall, I think the Compendium is still at heart liberal - a thing I respect and will not ever again attempt to argue against - so take solace in that. Remember Radical Dreamer and all the rest who would side with you - and then check the join dates and post counts of those said liberals.
Oh, by the way, I'm not sure if ambrosia would be the result of the process of fermentation - it is a divine drink after all. But that's a very cleverly allusive comment, if you meant it as I read it - the victory is the achieving of godhood and immortality after a fashion, hence the ambrosia being a victory drink. Not the view I would take, but clever nonetheless.
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Sorry, Daniel. I removed the name-calling in my post. I had no idea you'd be reading one of my threads, let alone posting in it two minutes before I did.
You're a polite person, and I shouldn't have slung mud.
But as for rescinding my enmity toward you...you're the amalgamation of everything I detest. I'll show you courtesy, and that's the best I can do.
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Sorry, Daniel. I removed the name-calling in my post. I had no idea you'd be reading one of my threads, let alone posting in it two minutes before I did.
You're a polite person, and I shouldn't have slung mud.
But as for rescinding my enmity toward you...you're the amalgamation of everything I detest. I'll show you courtesy, and that's the best I can do.
No problem, your reply now is just as courteous. That best of courtesy is more than enough, and I appreciate the effort, and will ask no more than that of you.
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Not all non voters just want more PRON! Jeez, way to be way off there bud.
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Not all non voters just want more PRON! Jeez, way to be way off there bud.
Just my way of saying that politics is a civic duty, because it is one of the cornerstones to the wellbeing and future course of a country, and therefore of the world. Rather than saying that anyone who derides politics loves porn, I was implying that those who deride politics have poor priorities. No one has to like politics, but, like brushing your teeth or paying taxes, it pays incredible dividends...and there really is no substitute for it.
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What is the voter turnout in the US anyway? Because it is absolutely lamentable here in Canada, just apathy left and right. It was something like 60% last time, I think.
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Where's the raving, foaming-at-the-mouth objectivist option? Not that I'm voting for that, I'm just wondering where it is.
I hardly think there's a raving conservative majority on this site, or almost the entire Internet for that matter; you yourself said that liberals largely control the Internet.
Slashdot isn't exactly the best source to cite if one hopes to lend credibility to one's viewpoint; neither is pointing fingers at a "hateful conservative religious majority". It makes you look like an idiot, and a whiny one to boot. I also don't really see how a search engine can have a political alignment.
But I personally voted for the MORE PORN LOL option, because it's the only listed viewpoint that I can get behind. I don't particularly like the way either party does business.
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Not all non voters just want more PRON! Jeez, way to be way off there bud.
Just my way of saying that politics is a civic duty, because it is one of the cornerstones to the wellbeing and future course of a country, and therefore of the world. Rather than saying that anyone who derides politics loves porn, I was implying that those who deride politics have poor priorities. No one has to like politics, but, like brushing your teeth or paying taxes, it pays incredible dividends...and there really is no substitute for it.
I love when you politic guys rag on non voters. I don't vote because I don't like any of the people that are up for the position. I fully understand how the American political system works, but that doesn't mean I have to accept who is running for candidacy. I should have to be forced to vote for someone that I do not want to vote for.
You are no better than the ultra radicals who push religion into every facet of America. Assuming that someone is irresponsible because they don't vote is rediculous.
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What is the voter turnout in the US anyway? Because it is absolutely lamentable here in Canada, just apathy left and right. It was something like 60% last time, I think.
Thought it was 53%, though that could be way off too. I DO know it was BAD.
And ya, liberal-thinkers would LOVE Canada. You can be imprisoned for spanking your children (Ontario case a few years ago where this JUST ABOUT happened, and no it was NOT abuse), a major national radio/television network is state-controlled, the courts "read in" rights into the constitution, taxes are near 50% in most parts of the country, and the welfare state is alive and well not helping millions of people actually get OUT of poverty, but merely keeping them alive in misery.
I'm just lucky I live in one of the most conservative cities (and province) in Canada. Good old Calgary, Alberta. :D Too bad our premier (kind of like a governor in the states, head of the provincial level of government) won't actually protect us from the feds and always rolls over.
And remember you don't need to agree with somebody to respect them. Respecting somebody you vehemently disagree with on almost all points is difficult, but some do deserve such.
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I'm simply not worrying about most things at this point in time. My political affiliation is much more situationally oriented than ideologically inclined, but that's saying little for my low participation.
Anyway, the point of this post is that I am like Denny Crane. I love reading my name in posts!
Edit: Why is my signature not showing? Oh no, herograw better not be down...
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I'm just lucky I live in one of the most conservative cities (and province) in Canada. Good old Calgary, Alberta. :D Too bad our premier (kind of like a governor in the states, head of the provincial level of government) won't actually protect us from the feds and always rolls over.
You're a Calgarian? Well, at least the Premier LIKES your city! Edmonton is the capital of this province, but who gets the best show for the 100th year anniversary? Calgary. Why? Because Ralph Kline* is a Calgarian. Though, admittedly, most business offices are in Calgary, Edmonton is just as big... and we've got a nicer River Valley. Not to mention that the Oilers are better than that Flames - and WILL beat them this year.
(Sorry everyone, couldn't resist. Edmonton/Calgary, being two cities nearly similar in size in Alberta, and being only 3h drive apart, share a very long good-natured rivalry. I couldn't resist the temptation to tease a Calgarian. All in fun, though. It actually is a pretty nice city. And it's nice to see a fellow Albertan on the forums.)
*Actually, in some way, he's pretty funny, and Albertans are pretty forgiving. Which other province or state would reelect someone several times that consistantly give his speeches at elections and the like whilst drunk?
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Which other province or state would reelect someone several times that consistantly give his speeches at elections and the like whilst drunk?
Texas.
GEORGE BUSH LOALZ
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I'm not sure if the Chrono Compendium actually has any liberals on it besides me, but if there are, then here's a real zinger that I think you'll enjoy: According to some tree-hugging bean counters (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/9/22835/18924), Daily Kos has more traffic than the top 50 conservative websites combined. Daily Kos also attracts more traffic than the Fox News website. And five other liberal blogs each have audiences larger than Instapundit, the biggest conservative blog. So now we know! Now we know why the GOPs control the radio and television: All the liberals are online! I've always known that the mainstream of the first Internet generation--the 2800ers--was liberal, because they came out of college labs and basement apartments. But now, several generations later, some of those pioneering liberals have gone on to control many of the most important parts of the Internet, from Google to Slashdot to Daily Kos. Given how integral the Internet will prove in the coming decades, I can't help but intuit that in these statistics we liberals have a major raw advantage slowly fermenting into the sweet ambrosia of victory. The Republicans may control this decade, but they are no match for the full power of a mature secularism, whose coming day has waited ten thousand years. The dynamics of information and accessibility are becoming globalized, instantaneous. Old conservatism has no roots.
I notice how you seem to place everything on an some kind of one-dimensional liberal/conservative spectrum.
I'm somewhere between Libertarian and old school Republican, but generally speaking I'd rather describe myself based on individual issues and beliefs. If you get too caught up with some overly idealized and abstracted concept like a liberal/conservative dichotomy, you'll never be able to look at any individual case and make a sound judgement. You'll be too busy rationalizing the "liberal" stance you took before you even looked at the details.
Unfortunately, the party system we have encourages the two major parties to take sides on so many issues in order to prevent any third party from having a strong issue to ride and to capture as many votes as possible. If I do anything with politics again, it will be focused on changing the Republican party platform towards what I feel it should be. Cutting away the "religious right" would be part of that. Religion has no place in politics.
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Iginla was there. Now he's here. What more is there? :P
Actually hopefully the Battle of Alberta will be as good this year as it used to be in the 80s. We can only hope. But remember, the Flames made it to the Stanley Cup finals. What did the Oilers do?
And remember citizen of REDmonton (funny thing is in canada, blue = conservative, red = liberal, whereas opposite in the states), we actually have kept the damned federal Liberal party out of our city. You guys have to deal with Anne and David (well, not him so much anymore). /shudder
*Actually, in some way, he's pretty funny, and Albertans are pretty forgiving. Which other province or state would reelect someone several times that consistantly give his speeches at elections and the like whilst drunk?
Funny story here for people that don't know. Our premier Ralph Klein started his political career as Mayor of Calgary. And during that time (and while he was an MLA I think) he used to go to a certain bar in downtown calgary, and would talk about politics with anybody that sat next to him and ordered him a beer. VERY informal if needed. Of course later this turned into "our premier is a drunk" but it was in good fun.
Then a couple of years ago, he WAS drunk, and had his driver let him out at a homeless shelter and supposedly he went into a somewhat-drunken rant about "you people should go get jobs!!", then left. His popularity went UP after that. He got on the wagon too (and supposedly has stayed on), but it was just hilarious that he does something very non-politically correct, and is liked for it.
:)
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Iginla was there. Now he's here. What more is there? :P
Actually hopefully the Battle of Alberta will be as good this year as it used to be in the 80s. We can only hope. But remember, the Flames made it to the Stanley Cup finals. What did the Oilers do?
Don't... remind me. That was so embarrasing to Edmonton's hockey pride. Then again, I cheered for the Flames after Edmonton was no longer in the running...
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I notice how you seem to place everything on an some kind of one-dimensional liberal/conservative spectrum.
I'm somewhere between Libertarian and old school Republican, but generally speaking I'd rather describe myself based on individual issues and beliefs. If you get too caught up with some overly idealized and abstracted concept like a liberal/conservative dichotomy, you'll never be able to look at any individual case and make a sound judgement. You'll be too busy rationalizing the "liberal" stance you took before you even looked at the details.
Unfortunately, the party system we have encourages the two major parties to take sides on so many issues in order to prevent any third party from having a strong issue to ride and to capture as many votes as possible. If I do anything with politics again, it will be focused on changing the Republican party platform towards what I feel it should be. Cutting away the "religious right" would be part of that. Religion has no place in politics.
I hear you; politics is not as simple as liberal versus conservative. Frankly, however, I wasn't expecting the Compendium community to be aware of that. Nevertheless, "liberal versus conservative" does a good job of highlighting the major axis of social tension in the United States, and so even if it is ideologically lacking, it is a sociologically curious statistic.
I'm terribly "conservative" on some things. Very much I am an atypical liberal. I am an imperialist, and most liberals hate that. I am pro-technology, which is something that liberals used to be vehemently against--although less so in the past decdade. I am all in favor of pulling yourself up by the bootstraps, which is a philosophy many liberals dismiss completely. I am pro-Israel, which is practically anti-liberal in most circles. Etc., etc. I cite these to demonstrate that, yes, you are correct in that "liberal versus conservative" is not a complete ideological assessment, but that, at the same time, it is no barrier for a person who wishes to define himself or herself on the issues, which you seem to imply.
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I suppose with so much discussion, it's too late to ask ZeaLitY to delete the topic. What can I say? Sorry my poll choices pissed everyone off. I'll be nicer next time.
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I accept your apology, Lord J. And I'll try to be less of a conservative ass around here. :)
Oh, and by the way, I voted for the last one, not because I want to kill gays (I don't), or enslave women (I don't), but because I am both very conservative and religious. Go figure.
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I accept your apology, Lord J. And I'll try to be less of a conservative ass around here. :)
Oh, and by the way, I voted for the last one, not because I want to kill gays (I don't), or enslave women (I don't), but because I am both very conservative and religious. Go figure.
But you DO want all our bases to belong to you...us... whatever... ?
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Yes, I would like all of your bases are belong to me. Isn't that obvious? lol
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I am a right-sided conservative, and I find your RWC one, (the bottom one) very offending.
CHANGE IT YOU LIBERAL! YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT IS LIKE TO BE A TRUE AMERICAN!
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I actually can't vote in this poll. Most people would describe me as "socially liberal and economically conservative." Which means I also can't vote in the Washington primary, since it is now a strictly two party ballot. Take that, choice!
In general, I support a small government that for the most part leaves people a lone. "That governs best which governs least." I usually vote Libertarian (When I can. Fucking Washington state primary!) even though I don't agree with 100% of their policies, but because they are closer than any other party, both to my ideology, and to becoming a viable third party and giving the American people a real choice in politics.
There are a lot of subtlies in politics beyond liberal and conservative, and in my ideology. So while Daniel saw me as a liberal, he was probably arguing with me about a social or religious issue. In fact, while I cannot recal the particular argument, since ALL of the arguments I've had with Daniel have been over a social or religious issue, I'd say this is most certainly the case. Had the issue of economics come up, it'd've painted a different picture.
Oh, and Daniel: Voter apathy rates in the U.S. are over 50%, I can tell you that much. This means, that when Bush says he had a mandate, given his 51% of the popular vote, he's full of shit. Because that's 51% of the less than 50% of eligible voters in the country. At best, that's a quarter of eligible voters. And even if they are 2/3s of the U.S. population...well, I'm sure you all see where this is going. The only country with worse voter apathy than the States is Switzerland. It's also the only country with more elections. Coincidence? I think not.
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I'd just like to point out that more people voted for Bush in 2004 than any other canadate in history.
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I'd just like to point out that more people voted for Bush in 2004 than any other canadate in history.
Due to the steady increase in United States population numbers, silly. Percentage-wise, then according to the statistics, which Radical Dreamer cited, it was hardly the most well-attended election in the nation's history, nor was Bush's margin the largest.
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How am I going to vote now?
PS:Thanks for changing it, its not so evil now :D
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I know it was the largest voter turn out ever, but was that in simple numbers, or percentage wise as well?
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I'd just like to point out that more people voted for Bush in 2004 than any other canadate in history.
Due to the steady increase in United States population numbers, silly. Percentage-wise, then according to the statistics, which Radical Dreamer cited, it was hardly the most well-attended election in the nation's history, nor was Bush's margin the largest.
Odd, eh? People struggled so hard to have democracy and the chance to govern their own country. When they attain that (after a fashion), half of them throw it out the window. Go figure.
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Which other province or state would reelect someone several times that consistantly give his speeches at elections and the like whilst drunk?
British Columbia reelected Gordon Campbell who was notoriously arrested for drunk driving in Hawaii. Hell, I voted for him the second time around. (First time around I wasn't old enough to vote.)
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Which other province or state would reelect someone several times that consistantly give his speeches at elections and the like whilst drunk?
British Columbia reelected Gordon Campbell who was notoriously arrested for drunk driving in Hawaii. Hell, I voted for him the second time around. (First time around I wasn't old enough to vote.)
See, I don't get that. By my logic, anyone with a DUI should be banned from running for elected office, because they clearly lack the responsibility neccisary to run even an automobile. Out of curiousity, how did Campbell do as an elected official?
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I actually can't vote in this poll. Most people would describe me as "socially liberal and economically conservative." Which means I also can't vote in the Washington primary, since it is now a strictly two party ballot. Take that, choice!
In general, I support a small government that for the most part leaves people a lone. "That governs best which governs least." I usually vote Libertarian (When I can. Fucking Washington state primary!) even though I don't agree with 100% of their policies, but because they are closer than any other party, both to my ideology, and to becoming a viable third party and giving the American people a real choice in politics.
There are a lot of subtlies in politics beyond liberal and conservative, and in my ideology. So while Daniel saw me as a liberal, he was probably arguing with me about a social or religious issue. In fact, while I cannot recal the particular argument, since ALL of the arguments I've had with Daniel have been over a social or religious issue, I'd say this is most certainly the case. Had the issue of economics come up, it'd've painted a different picture.
Oh, and Daniel: Voter apathy rates in the U.S. are over 50%, I can tell you that much. This means, that when Bush says he had a mandate, given his 51% of the popular vote, he's full of shit. Because that's 51% of the less than 50% of eligible voters in the country. At best, that's a quarter of eligible voters. And even if they are 2/3s of the U.S. population...well, I'm sure you all see where this is going. The only country with worse voter apathy than the States is Switzerland. It's also the only country with more elections. Coincidence? I think not.
Vote porn: The only agreeable choice.