Ozzie the Fool, Flea the Magician, Schala the High Priestess, Zeal the Empress, Alphard (or Guardia) the Emperor, Fiona the Hierophant, Crono and Marle the Lovers, Epoch (or JetBike) the Chariot, Spekkio Strength, Doan the Hermit, Johnny and his Wheels of Fortune, Pierre Justice, Fritz (or Slash) the Hanged Man, Lavos Death, Zeal Islands Temperance, Magus the Devil, Mt. Woe the Tower, Gaspar the Star, Melchior the Moon, Belthasar the Sun, Mother Brain Judgement, Entity World
P.S.: Wouldn't the "fool" be Bekkler or Chancellor?
Anyway, don't take my suggestions as commands in any way, they're just ideas! :-)Au contraire, thank you so much for getting involved!; I’m really really sorry if I was reactive or rude, I didn´t mean it =(. Btw, I’m really glad to hear that your dog is doing better ^^.
Ohh, YOU READ MY MIND. :D I am a tarot nerd.That's awesome!, Thank you so much for the info Syna, your knowledge about this matter will be of invaluable help, thank you so much for being part of this! =D
Tarot cards are apart of my religion ^.^ I'll brew on this and get back to you.I really hope you decide to participate, your art is awesome ^^!
I love this idea!!!! I especially can't wait to see your vision of it, Angerona! :DThank you =^_^=!
That's a brilliant idea, Angerona and Syna!
Though, single-sided or double? If double, make sure you hand out a template after deciding how it's to be printed.
This IS the best excuse for a poll I think I've seen on the Compendium for like a year!
And you didn't come off as rude at all! I'm really glad this idea is gaining so much momentum so fast!
@Syna: I get what you mean, (no offense) but for a person with not much experience with Tarot, calling them a fool would instinctively make them not download the sheet in the first place. :lol: I'm just saying it can be misinterpreted as that. We'll have to put a vote for the fool too I suppose.
I've been wondering: is anybody still interested in this?
Well, then let's just do this! XD Start from somewhere. We can adopt a Chrono-style design perhaps inspired by Clow Cards:I've been wondering: is anybody still interested in this?
I’m really sorry for suggesting the idea en ended up disappearing… Actually I’m still interested in developing this project… But taking decisions has been really hard because everybody has such good suggestions =(…
I made the back cover for Trigger Tarot. 11 x 7 cm, 300 dpi. Any suggestions?
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I do agree with xcalibur that a strong case could be made for the Queen as being a classic Fool figure, but I think if you think of the cards as being approached in a very similar way as the player plays the game, Crono or the Player are the best choices overall.
Your interpretations are interesting, xcalibur! My only quibble would be that I'd personally prefer if the Big Seven each snatched a card, but I can tell you thought carefully about each choice you made.
It all began aeons ago, when man's
ancestors picked up a shard of a
strange red rock...
Its power, which was beyond human
comprehension, cultivated dreams...
In turn, love and hate were born...
Only time will see how it all ends.
If there was such a thing as The Jackass card, Dalton would fit nicely.
If there was such a thing as The Jackass card, Dalton would fit nicely.That gave me a good laugh. :lol:
perhaps you could have Chrono on the verge of stepping into a Time Gate, with his cat in place of the Fool's dog.
Chrono & Marle: Lovers (maybe Chrono as the Fool also?)
Lucca: Sun
Frog: Justice
Robo: Hanged Man?
Ayla: Strength
and Magus: Devil is a given, since he's also an NPC.
I really like this! It would work quite perfectly terms of both the picture and symbolism.
I'm still a little torn about the Magician. Bekkler works, of course, and I'd like to fit him into a suit card at least since he's a great character, but my preference would be for the trump to be taken up by a more significant presence. I do think Crono could function nicely, but I admit that aesthetically it's a stretch.
We seem to agree on these choices! I admit that I'm especially attached to Ayla as Strength -- aside from the obvious correlations, the image of her with a beast would be especially fitting -- and Robo as the Hanged Man, for these reasons.
- The Hanged Man has connotations of traitorship. This fits Robo's relationship with Mother Brain and the other robots.
- The Hanged Man is also in a strange, inverted position due to his desire to seek knowledge. This fits his relationship with humans: he doesn't fit in, but is eager to learn about them. He willingly chose that role, as the Hanged Man does.
- Robo selflessly helps cultivate Fiona's Forest and in the process, gains mystical knowledge, evidenced by the Entity conversation. That's very Hanged Man, to me.
- There's also the possible meaning of sacrifice, which aligns with Robo's identification with Prometheus and his later sacrifice in Cross.
- Robo is a badass and so is Odin. (This is the least effective of my arguments, I confess. :D)
All in all I like how there is something tragic and selfless about the Hanged Man, and how that speaks to Robo's willingness to go into the uncertain future, and of course his eventual demise by way of FATE.
All of these, save the traitorship aspect, also fit Gaspar, however. I am not entirely sold on the appropriateness of the Hierophant to Belthasar: the role definitely fits the one Belthasar filled in Zeal, and the one he fills in Cross, but the most striking image we get of Belthasar is definitely as a solitary madman. Still, I feel that Belthasar could fit as the Hierophant regardless, and if we made Robo the Hanged Man we'd have to figure out where Gaspar fits.
And Magus as the Devil is a given, for me. Too perfect. I also liked the fact that Lucca gains her best equipment through the Sun Stone; there's an added little detail.
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I agree with your options regarding the Moon card. I chose the Black Dream myself because the meaning fit (as you described) and because in terms of the Trumps as the Fool's Journey, the Moon is often perceived to fulfill a "dark night of the soul" sort of function -- the period of illusions and terrors, the "valley of the shadow of death" where the Fool must traverse before reaching the Sun. I feel that the Black Dream may color the card a touch negatively, so I've no quarrel with either that choice or Dreamstone.
That's similar to the reasons I placed Lavos as Judgment, because aside from the obvious apocalyptic associations (which are traditional depictions of the card), having Lavos next to the end of the suit striked me as very appropriate, since you would encounter it just before countering the Entity-Nu-World trump. But again, Death fits Lavos extremely well, and it could swap places with the Chrono Trigger with no problems.
Regarding the Star, again, your reasoning for the Pendant is quite solid. Since Marle is the carrier of the pendant, though, I feel as though a combination of our two ideas may be possible -- especially since Marle acts as the impetus for the journey to begin, and is a symbol of faith and hope when Crono dies, and since the card is traditionally depicted with a woman anyway.
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I can see the issue - he does provide the clones etc., but he's more of a minor character than a major one. Still, he's the best fit as the magician. The only alternative I can come up with would be Spekkio, since he teaches you magic. On the other hand, the Magician brings his power down to earth, while Spekkio remains somewhat detached. Also, Spekkio could be the King of Wands, assuming that he's not assigned to Strength.
If we include Gurus, I'd rather all 3 be used, just like I'd rather have all 7 party members than half of them.
I feel that Judgement: Chrono Trigger, and Death: Lavos fit much better than the other way around. The Judgement card is about resurrection, facing the past honestly and making major amends. Likewise, the Time Egg brings back Chrono, opening the final phase of the game. It also takes the party back to possibly the most painful point in their adventure, and allows them to make amends. Could Judgement be Lavos? maybe. There are the apocalyptic connotations, and he certainly passes his judgement on the excesses of Zeal. But his cataclysmic destruction seems a better fit for Death, and I outlined other reasons previously. Then there's the issue of assigning the Chrono Trigger to Death, which seems an ill fit at best - the Time Egg is about potential and making amends, rather than destruction.
Indeed, we could have Marle wearing her Pendant as the illustration regardless of which one we choose.
Likewise, we could combine Lucca and the Sun Stone, perhaps with both of them in the illustration. and/or Lucca holding the Wondershot, with a ball of golden energy at the muzzle.
We also need to figure out how we're going to do the numbered Suit cards, i.e., 3 of Swords and suchlike. I personally think it may be fun (if AMBITIOUS) to depict these as events in the series. However, that's up to our lovely illustrators and how motivated they feel.Pardon me, but did you just say you desire "numbered Suit cards"? Like Augen Auf playing cards (http://yuumei.deviantart.com/art/Augen-Auf-Playing-Card-Ad-102933378)?
I'll have to think a bit more on it. At the end of the day, I think Bekkler will work OK, but he only makes one appearance and it's still not sitting quite well with me. I'd prefer Spekkio, honestly, though he does make a very good King of Wands-- a better king of Wands than Bekkler would be. Perhaps one of the Gurus? Hmm...
Agreed. That was my way of thinking as well. I think it should be possible to use them. Perhaps we could get a bit creative with our concepts of how each card should look-- emphasize certain aspects of the card, and not others.
The rationale for the Hierophant was the Hierophant's relationship with knowledge and unique ability to make the spiritual (or magical) earthly. I thought the community aspect would make the card interestingly ironic-- out of all the Gurus, Belthasar's inventions were generally made for the community's benefit, and he acts for others (with the Epoch and Death Peak) even in his solitary madness.
Gaspar's relationship with the party is such that he could fulfill the role himself perhaps, since he provides practical advice and guidance, and becomes part of the team. However, he'd be a very irreverent Hierophant -- the card doesn't really fit his personality. Yakra would also sort of fit, but again, not significant enough of a character to my way of thinking. Same with Mother Brain -- I can see the correlation, certainly, but she's a side-quest character and I like the symmetry of keeping the Trumps integral to the plot. Again, maybe we could spin it one way or the other by selecting which aspects of the traditional symbolism to use.
It will merit more thought.
I think I was thinking of Lavos-as-Judgment more as the act of defeating Lavos -- which would fit with the theme of making amends and facing the past honestly (especially if one considers that in light of the Entity). So, I was thinking "final confrontation" then "completion." But again, both do work nicely; Death is about transformation, and that suits the Chrono Trigger and the event in which it is used. I think my initial instinct was to prevent the poor Death card from being pinned to its negative connotation, but whatevs, it's not like we can be TOO picky about making these associations, and as I said, the reverse works quite well. If other people agree, let's go with yours. :)
I'm not quite sold on Azala as the Empress, tbh. Azala is an extremely important character and we should highlight her, but I think the Empress connotes nurturing and fertility too strongly for it to really service. Still, she does sort of seem too important to be regulated to a suit card..
Good idea! I'd love to have an occasion to put the Rainbow Shell with another figure, if we do this.
lol no, I mean the numbered cards on the tarot. Like this:
There are four suits -- Pentacles, Wands, Swords, & Cups -- and each have an Ace, a King, a Queen, a Knight, a Page, and nine suit cards. This is the Minor Arcana: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_Arcana#Cards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_Arcana#Cards)
Your Queen Zeal comparison is apt, though, because I'm just getting waaay ahead of myself; there are 56 minor arcana cards. IMHO the priority should be the Major Arcana, the Trumps (the Fool, High Priestess, etc. -- what xcalibur and I have been discussing, largely).
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also, Syna, I'm not trying to push your thoughts aside. My intention is to argue it out, consider all points, and make sure we've made the right choices. I don't want the deck to be made and then be like OH WAIT LETS SWITCH THOSE TWO! also, I was willing to abandon my original NPC emphasis, and my list was influenced by yours.
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Oh, I'm entirely on the same page; we should definitely hash this out as much as possible. I have a lot less attachment to my choices than a very cohesive deck that does justice to both stories. :D And anyway, it's great to discuss this with someone who knows so much about tarot! The list as it stands now is thoughtful and appropriate; but I think that arguing certain points will help us chose the best candidates, and point to ways we can help the artists depict the cards in a symbolically appropriate manner.
I'm still trying to ponder out our Guru problem. I don't like the Magician as Belthasar either, all things told. Brrr, this is difficult.
I liked your idea of having the Aces as significant items, but I used a few different items in my list! Still, it could work. We could have the zeal sapling as the Ace of Cups instead of the Pendant, since I think that works too well as the Star (explanation at the bottom). Ruby Knife would work fine as the Ace of Swords. There are no issues with the Gate Key as Ace of Wands, so that brings us to the Ace of Pentacles. I could use Black Omen for the Moon and avoid any conflict. On the other hand, Dreamstone could just as easily fit as the Moon.
The C is very obviously off-center vertically in your latest effort—either you need to move it down, or provide another (smallish) element down near the bottom for vertical balance.XD I did that on purpose. I liked the negative space at the bottom. Was thinking I'd put Guardia and Zeal crests there, but unfortunately they look horrible.
(Current method: autotrace image in Inkscape, delete everything except the yellow path, play with filters.)Wait a sec, so you did the bevel via Inkscape?
While it's not an ideal matchup, I can't think of anyone else for that card (mother brain wouldn't fit). For that matter, I can't think of where else to place Azala in the trumps, and she should be represented as the other major personality of prehistory.
I just had another idea for the aces - perhaps the Rainbow Shell or Prismshard could be the Ace of Pentacles, then Dreamstone could be assigned to Moon. also, we could use either the future Seed or the Zeal Sapling for the ace of cups..
I'm seeing your point regarding Mother Brain as the Hierophant; equitable representation would be ideal. I'm going to do some research on the cards in question and see if I can come up with some kind of solution to the Guru problem. I do know that sometimes the cards go by other names, and maybe one of these alternate interpretations can help us make a decision.
Regarding the Empress card:
This is a very good point, and would be my primary reason for choosing Azala. Again, your desire to make the time periods more equitable is well-taken and I agree that somehow or another the Prehistoric and Future eras need more representation.
The issue is for me that Azala isn't very Empress-like. She's a female authority figure, but that's where the similarity ends, for the most part. The empress is traditionally depicted as Venus, and is about motherhood-- fertility, nurturing capacities--- and abundance, as well as sensuality and beauty. All of those are qualities that fit Queen Leene: she is a symbol in the Middle Ages for the continuance of the Kingdom of Guardia, famed for her beauty, and acts as the classic courtly inspiration for Cyrus and Glenn to fight. Her mentorship of Marle also places her in a mothering role.
Azala's species, on the other hand, suffers a rousing defeat at the hands of the humans, which is the opposite of fertility and motherhood and creation. She would make a near-perfect reverse Empress, but as it stands she strikes me as a stretch-- she's more of an Emperor, threatening and domineering.
So one way to solve this would be to tweak the card: let's see if there is anything in the traditional symbolism we can emphasize to make Azala a better fit.
Ohh, that might work well, because I can't see the Rainbow Shell fitting neatly into any of the Trumps. I like the idea of a seed for Ace of Cups; I do prefer the pendant to be depicted in the Star. The pendant really deserves to be on a Trump in one way or another.
However, I'm not sure about Kino as King of Cups. He did fight the Reptites, and came through in the end with the Dactyls, but most Chrono fans don't find him too cool or memorable. Although he would be further representation of prehistory, I was thinking of placing Cyrus or someone else there.I object! Kino is THA BOSS! Although Cyrus is cool too. Something tells me Cyrus would rather be a King of Swords rather.
Can I have the .psd for that image so I can mess with it, too? :DSure! Here you go. (http://www.box.net/shared/yrc8th5oeknr3rpnjmcz) Two things to keep in mind, though:
However, I'm not sure about Kino as King of Cups. He did fight the Reptites, and came through in the end with the Dactyls, but most Chrono fans don't find him too cool or memorable. Although he would be further representation of prehistory, I was thinking of placing Cyrus or someone else there.I object! Kino is THA BOSS! Although Cyrus is cool too. Something tells me Cyrus would rather be a King of Swords rather.
@Alfy, and Angerona: How's this? Personally, I'm not fond of bevels, but contours are better than flat, I suppose.
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Well, tbh I now think my Page of Cups, the Frog King, was a very lame pick, chosen very impulsively. We could shuffle the others around so that Cyrus gets a place. Kino may make a good Page of Cups himself, but I feel that may be underselling him a little bit (he is Ayla's partner, after all...), so I'll take another look.
Trying to think of characters from prehistory and the future to include! Johnny may make a good Page of some kind.
I also agree with the Ace card choices!
King of Swords- Masa & Mune
Queen of Swords- Mother Brain
Knight of Swords- Slash
Page of Swords- Dalton
King of Wands- Spekkio
Queen of Wands- Azala
Knight of Wands- a winking Flea
Page of Wands- Atropos
King of Pentacles- Ozzie
Queen of Pentacles- Crono's Mom
Knight of Pentacles- Yakra
Page of Pentacles- Tata
King of Cups- Kino
Queen of Cups- Fiona
Knight of Cups- Toma
Page of Cups- Frog King
@Katie: How about this?
Well, tbh I now think my Page of Cups, the Frog King, was a very lame pick, chosen very impulsively. We could shuffle the others around so that Cyrus gets a place. Kino may make a good Page of Cups himself, but I feel that may be underselling him a little bit (he is Ayla's partner, after all...), so I'll take another look.
Trying to think of characters from prehistory and the future to include! Johnny may make a good Page of some kind.
I also agree with the Ace card choices!
Glad we're on the same page about the Aces.
While we work out the Major Arcana quandary, we could take a look at the court cards:
original reply:QuoteKing of Swords- Masa & Mune
Queen of Swords- Mother Brain
Knight of Swords- Slash
Page of Swords- Dalton
King of Wands- Spekkio
Queen of Wands- Azala
Knight of Wands- a winking Flea
Page of Wands- Atropos
King of Pentacles- Ozzie
Queen of Pentacles- Crono's Mom
Knight of Pentacles- Yakra
Page of Pentacles- Tata
King of Cups- Kino
Queen of Cups- Fiona
Knight of Cups- Toma
Page of Cups- Frog King
King of Swords- Masa & Mune
Queen of Swords-
Knight of Swords- Slash
Page of Swords- Dalton
King of Wands- Spekkio
Queen of Wands-
Knight of Wands- a winking Flea
Page of Wands-
King of Pentacles- Ozzie
Queen of Pentacles-
Knight of Pentacles-
Page of Pentacles-
King of Cups-
Queen of Cups- Fiona
Knight of Cups-
Page of Cups-
those are the choices I definitely agree with. The Mystical Knights should be included, and all 3 should appear. Slash and Flea as Knights, with Ozzie as King, and in 3 suits, all works out perfectly. Masa & Mune collectively make a perfect King of Swords. and since Spekkio isn't a trump, King of Wands is undoubtedly his spot. Fionas creation of the Zenan forest solidifies her rank as Queen of Cups. Dalton is definitely a page, Swords is the most fitting suit, and he's from 12000 BC.
Choices I'm not sure about were left blank. If Mother Brain and Azala aren't in the Trumps, they should definitely be assigned as Queens. Perhaps Queen Zeal could be placed here too, unless she's incorporated well enough into the Tower.
even in my pared down list, 600ad has no less than 5 representatives. I guess its fitting for a medieval era to figure strongly in a court. but the Court is a suitable place to work in other eras too. Gato would make a nice page, although present is already well represented in the Trumps. I agree the Johnny would make a good Page, perhaps the Page of Wands. Norstein Bekkler would work well as Knight of Wands, but that is precluded by the Mystical Knights.
I like Toma as Knight of Cups, but I'm thinking Kino could fit there too. He doesn't quite seem like a King, but he's better than a page. We could maybe then have Cyrus as King of Cups. I don't know who the page would be. Janus, maybe?
Yakra is a strong pick for Knight of Pentacles, so unless there are other suitable options we'll stick with that. he represents 600 ad, but also the present. his political power as fake chancellor and greed fit the suit. We could stick with Crono's Mom as Queen to put a positive influence in the Pentacles, unless Zeal/Azala/Mother Brain get placed there. Maybe Gato could be page of pentacles, in spite of being from the present. Other than him, Tata or Porre Mayor, I'm not sure who else would fit.
Please take me off your mailing list for this. n_n'
Same here. I'm glad the project has momentum but I can't help and I now have almost 20 unread PMs, and an email for each PM.Already done. Check the last unread PM by me, it should state that the discussion's moving to a new thread. (http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php/topic,9599.0.html)
I actually think that Fiona should be the Queen of Pentacles. Pentacles are an earth element. Cups are water. Perhaps have Crono's mom as that? Or maybe the woman who was the NPC that saved the sapling?
A quick thought pending some substantive discussion on the Guru & Empress issues:
Would it be possible to combine Dreamstone with a character, just to go with a similar schtick for the Sun, Moon, and Star cards? Just a thought. I imagined that Queen Zeal might fit and would be a way of merging the two ideas, but that does color the card a bit negatively & she doesn't encompass all of what Dreamstone connotes. On the other hand, you do get a bit of the "possibly nightmarish 'valley of the shadow of death' period" meaning a little more emphatically.
I'm backtracking a bit on the Black Omen because: 1) it is optional content, after all (and doesn't have the compelling reasons for including Mother Brain), and 2) it strikes me as a little symmetrically off to have the Star and Sun depicted with characters and the Moon to be a place.indeed. Dreamstone is more significant to the story and to theory&analysis, so we can stick with that.
I don't agree with the placement of the Gurus in those three positions for appropriateness reasons, but it was a really nice idea to have the three cards relate to each other.
I like the idea of depicting "trans-period" entities in the time where you encounter them (The Chrono Trigger & Belthasar in the Future, Melchior in the Present, etc.). I am also quite comfortable with Lavos as Death & The Chrono Trigger as Judgment. In the case of Death perhaps we can emphasize somehow that Lavos was the catalyst for the adventure & human evolution, etc. to offset the negative qualities.
Just some ideas, feel free to discard! I don't want to make this TOO complicated, and it's a minor point.
like I said, there's still room to shuffle things around. or did someone else suggest the three gurus on sun/star/moon respectively?
indeed. I just felt that since we wanted a bit more representation from prehistory and the future, that the chrono trigger and dreamstone would do nicely.
like I said, there's still room to shuffle things around. or did someone else suggest the three gurus on sun/star/moon respectively?
Oh, it's the latter. Someone classified Sun/Star/Moon as the Gurus. I liked the idea in theory but in practice I did not feel it cohered. I think the Star and Sun work very well as we've been discussing them and thought we might take the chance to include another character alongside the Dreamstone.Quoteindeed. I just felt that since we wanted a bit more representation from prehistory and the future, that the chrono trigger and dreamstone would do nicely.
I think it's a great idea.
I've a question: Which of the indexed seems more set in stone? And how would one envision it symbolically?
Sorry for my absence, mates. I'm actually waiting for Angerona. XD
How is this going?We're on hiatus for a bit -- I have my exams, and Angerona's got some of her stuff to do. Although, since we're a community project, anyone can join in and make a card!
How is this going?We're on hiatus for a bit -- I have my exams, and Angerona's got some of her stuff to do. Although, since we're a community project, anyone can join in and make a card!
I'll probably be back after October, though. ;) Although, I've reserved November for Nanowrimo.
xcalibur, feel free to make rough sketch ideas for the cards! The artists can then adapt the art into a full-fledged card eventually. I'm personally not satisfied with the way Janus card came about, so I "might" redo.
MAJOR ARCANA
Fool - Chrono/the Player
Magician - Norstein Bekkler OR Belthasar
High Priestess - Schala
Empress - Queen Leene
Emperor - King Guardia OR Azala
Hierophant - Mother Brain OR Belthasar
Lovers - Crono & Marle
Chariot - Epoch
Strength - Ayla (closing a sabertooth tigers mouth)
Hermit - Belthasar OR Gaspar
Wheel of Fortune - Time Gate
Justice - Frog w/ Masamune and Hero's Medal
Hanged Man - Gaspar AND/OR Robo
Death - Lavos
Temperance - Melchior
Devil - Magus
Tower - Mammon Machine
Star - Marle w/ Pendant
Moon - Dreamstone (w/ Queen Zeal?)
Sun - Lucca w/ Sun Stone
Judgement - The Chrono Trigger
World - Nu/Entity
where there are two different possibilities, I put OR in bold. where OR is bold, underlined, and italicized, it relates to the whole Guru issue (I'll address that next).I attempted to draw an arrow between Death and Judgement, since a choice on one sets the choice for the other.
The Guru issue is the conflict between fitting the 3 Gurus and the 7 party members. Almost everything fits, but then we have to place Robo. It seems that Hanged Man is most applicable, but Gaspar is there. We could set Robo there, bump Gaspar to Hermit (since that also kinda fits), then move Belthasar in turn to Hierophant, Magician, or elsewhere.
An unorthodox alternative to this would be to split the Hanged Man card between Gaspar/Robo. Or make it Belthasar/Robo - this might be easier to pull off, at a moderate cost to proper choice.
also, we had some issues with Azala. her role doesn't seem to fit the nurturing Empress too well. But a female Emperor would also be an ill fit. She may have to be assigned to the court, although the King and Queen of Guardia aren't totally ideal for Empress and Emperor.
ACE CARDS
Ace of Swords - Ruby Knife
Ace of Wands - Gate Key
Ace of Cups - Zeal Sapling/Future Seed
Ace of Pentacles - Rainbow Shell
no issues here, everything fits.
COURT CARDS
King of Swords- Masa & Mune
Queen of Swords-
Knight of Swords- Slash
Page of Swords- Dalton
King of Wands- Spekkio
Queen of Wands-
Knight of Wands- a winking Flea
Page of Wands- Jetbike Johnny
King of Pentacles- Ozzie
Queen of Pentacles- Crono's Mom
Knight of Pentacles- Yakra
Page of Pentacles- Gato
King of Cups- Cyrus
Queen of Cups- Fiona
Knight of Cups- Kino
Page of Cups- Janus
This is still open to interpretation, but this is as far as I was able to take it. possible queens I know of are Queen Zeal, Azala, and Cronos Mom. also Queen Leene and Mother Brain, if they're not Trumps.
time periods - I favor adequate representation of the major eras of the game in the selections. naturally there are limitations, such as the uneven distribution of important personalities throughout time. the Major Arcana have a lot of the present, since 3 of the main characters are from there. The Court Cards are dominated by 600 ad. but as long as no one is neglected, it should be fine.
good/evil - I also want to have a balanced mix between good and bad. This isn't too much of a problem in the Trumps, except that it leads me to favor Dreamstone over Black Omen for Moon. frequently maligned tarot cards should have something less negative. However, I may have to sacrifice that in the case of Death - Lavos.
This is more of an issue in the court cards. I'm aiming for balance in the 4 court cards for each suit. Naturally, Cups is going to lean towards positive, but assigning Janus as the page helps balance that. Gato also helps balance Pentacles, and if the Queen is positive then that will be fine. Even if 3 of the swords are negative, Masa&Mune as king can balance that imo.
Tushantin! You're back! Hope you stick around for a bit :)Haha good to see you, Kodo!
Yeah, it'd be great to see this project finished.
So I will definitely be going through the threads and such to get myself caught up on everything. I was wondering if we could actually get these printed at a place like Kinko's when we're done?
So I've noticed people selling Chrono Trigger art on Etsy. Is that legal? I mean I'm assuming not but I wanted to know because it would sure be awesome to sell some of my Chrono Trigger art once I get good at it. I'm figuring it's not but I wanted to ask for sure.
So what I'm wondering is do we have a list of who is taking what? Because I don't want to start a card someone else is doing.
(although I do wish he'd create a formal thread for himself and everybody else for me to pin it)