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Title: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: Agent 12 on June 04, 2009, 03:19:02 am
This one is the big one. If you don't like Crimson Echoes after this chapter then you probably are not going to like the game.  Also at this point I believe it's a good time to let the links grow wings and start flying across the internets. There's a good enough chunk of the game to keep people satisfied. In my opinion this  concludes the first of 4 "sections" of the game. Prepare to be amazed :)

Video 18 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXZwIwkzrWg&feature=PlayList&p=E952926C2A6E7039&index=18&playnext=19&playnext_from=PL&fmt=18)
Video 19 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQbGdlkxvUY&feature=PlayList&p=E952926C2A6E7039&index=19&playnext=20&playnext_from=PL&fmt=18)

Vote the playlist up on reddit here (http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/8por2/chrono_trigger_crimson_echoes_98_build_youtube/)! In other news FW has transcribed the interview I had with Axtuse for those of you who cannot listen to Audio. You can find it here:

http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Agent_12_Radio_Interview

--JP

EDIT:

Just realized I said to let links fly but didn't give a link. This should work: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=E952926C2A6E7039
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: FaustWolf on June 04, 2009, 03:47:04 am
Ooooh, the big bang. This is where the game really gets good!
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: KillaGouge on June 04, 2009, 03:54:50 am
Watching the game unfold the way it is, is simply mind blowing.  Such awesome work guys.
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: Mikisho on June 04, 2009, 03:58:54 am
Faust, I can see why this was your favorite scene.  Honestly, the dialogue was so well written, and the programming and sprite movement was so fluent.  An amazing scene, top 5 scenes of all time in my opinion.  You guys are making it very hard to respect your decision to follow SE's demands...  This game was looking sooooo good....  You're SURE you don't wanna give your life up for this hobby?  Nobody here would hold it against you.... :P.  Anyway, I'm enjoying every minute of this.  Bravo all of you, Bravo.
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: Agent 12 on June 04, 2009, 04:02:46 am
Digg article is here: http://digg.com/nintendo/Crimson_Echoes_First_6_Chapters_True_98_Build
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: Corpse69 on June 04, 2009, 04:20:34 am
thanks for the upload guys its just heating up lol Mikisho  im sure they wouldn't want to become martyr's
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: IAmSerge on June 04, 2009, 04:24:27 am
I digged it and made the first comment.

Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: Yourgingerestfan on June 04, 2009, 04:28:48 am
Wowww !
I must say im jealous of Faust !
And whoever wrote the dialouge for King Zeal I love you <3
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: steampowered on June 04, 2009, 06:40:35 am
Pretty stupid question here, but I was wondering what tools you guys used to mod this. I'm curious. Was it all Temporal Flux?
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: anonymouse on June 04, 2009, 07:22:38 am
Magus clearly inherited his badassery from his father XD
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: kid123 on June 04, 2009, 07:47:48 am
19 until 33 right Faust?
Simple math, that is 15 video. A 150 minutes of awesomeness, I can't really wait for it.

I am still wondering though, how many ending gonna be available ?
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: Azure on June 04, 2009, 10:28:34 am
What a cruel hearted cliff hanger!  >.>  Ah well, worth waiting.
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: utunnels on June 04, 2009, 10:57:15 am
Is Magus really all that cool?
No, his father is cooler than him.

BTW, those battles seem easier than I expected?
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: Katie Skyye on June 04, 2009, 10:58:50 am
Oh wow...this is so exciting! But...they didn't rescue Ayla!

And vaugh, why did he have to throw such terrible insults at them? Robo is not heartless at all...and neither is Frog!
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: Chrono'99 on June 04, 2009, 11:31:45 am
BTW, those battles seem easier than I expected?

It's a New Game+ playthrough.
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: vicbear on June 04, 2009, 12:01:19 pm
whoa I got goosebumps watching that last scene.
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: Magihunter on June 04, 2009, 12:07:53 pm
Absolutely loving these! Such a shame, watching these videos makes the C&D hurt even more, though, I am happy even to just see these! By the way, good choice on Crono talking, he finally has some life to him!
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: Chrono'99 on June 04, 2009, 12:26:12 pm
By the way, good choice on Crono talking, he finally has some life to him!

Glad you like it :) For those who don't or who find it surprising, here are the main reasons why we made him talk:

1/ He isn't the main character of CE. The game is kind of like FFVI as there's not obvious main character. All the PCs, except Ayla, have roughly the same amount of screentime and importance in the story. So the player isn't really playing "as Crono" this time around.

2/ He is a married man. That's a pretty huge difference between CE Crono and CT Crono, and we had to make him talk to develop this part of his character.

3/ Part of the point of CE was, simply put, to say goodbye to CT and hello to CC. You can't say goodbye if you're mute.
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: mav on June 04, 2009, 12:56:24 pm
Pure poetry. I mean, fuck, Zeality, that was just beautiful, man. And the coding and mapping...phenomenal job guys.


BUT THESE FUCKING CLIFFHANGERS, THEY'RE KILLING ME.
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: FaustWolf on June 04, 2009, 01:37:52 pm
Yeah, CE was just so freaking amazing in every way. For those of you who've been bored with the tried-and-true Chrono Trigger audio (I think some new tracks would have made it in during the final 2%), just wait until the next few chapters are uploaded. Claado Shou's "Battle 3" used during the Megasaur fight is just a small drop of the goodness that's in store.

As for endings -- probably the best way to do this is to upload the beginning-to-end playthrough, and then upload the alternate endings.
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: animelover12345 on June 04, 2009, 02:24:40 pm
As for endings -- probably the best way to do this is to upload the beginning-to-end playthrough, and then upload the alternate endings.

Hm..., am I right to guess you can choose to fight King Zeal here and if you win, you get CE's version of the Dream Project ending  8)?
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: FalconHit on June 04, 2009, 05:08:25 pm
By the way, good choice on Crono talking, he finally has some life to him!

Glad you like it :) For those who don't or who find it surprising, here are the main reasons why we made him talk:

1/ He isn't the main character of CE. The game is kind of like FFVI as there's not obvious main character. All the PCs, except Ayla, have roughly the same amount of screentime and importance in the story. So the player isn't really playing "as Crono" this time around.

2/ He is a married man. That's a pretty huge difference between CE Crono and CT Crono, and we had to make him talk to develop this part of his character.

3/ Part of the point of CE was, simply put, to say goodbye to CT and hello to CC. You can't say goodbye if you're mute.

Yeah, I'm kind of bummed out about the complete lack of Ayla screen time, and it doesn't look like she was rescued at all, despite the fact you didn't fight the King. Sadly I'm not digging it so far. It is supposed to get better from what people are saying.
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: Agent 12 on June 04, 2009, 05:14:33 pm
Incase people are interested:

http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/8por2/chrono_trigger_crimson_echoes_98_build_youtube/

Falcon...I guess we'll see. In my opinion this chapter was the peak of awesomeness though. Definitely one of my favorite maps, best sound track, awesome cutscene, awesome puzzle, good boss (you can't tell since it's new game+ though).   If you aren't digging it after that chapter it may not be your type of game, which is totally understandable. I knew going into this that we wouldn't please everyone.

--JP
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: Chrono'99 on June 04, 2009, 05:27:51 pm
Yeah, CE has the appearance of CT but it's really the spirit of CC that animates it.

The lack of Ayla screentime in this early part of the game is because Schala was meant to take her spot as a PC.
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: Geowil on June 04, 2009, 06:32:26 pm
holy crap, i did not expect what happened in part 19.....

frigging awesome.  I also got goosebumps from that part, its gota be one the the best scenes out of all the games I own and have played.

so does this mean Ayla dies? (i mean she was right next to King Zeal when he finished the summoning spell/Ultimate fire thing, no way she could live thru that right? or was that part of the 2%? lol)
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: Acacia Sgt on June 04, 2009, 06:43:04 pm
That last scene is awesome. Now I wonder what would have happened if yes is chosen...

An unwinnable battle with the same/a different outcome?
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: Chrono Mizaki on June 04, 2009, 07:26:41 pm
I liked the scene, but the music used for King Zeal just killed it imo. I know I should be appreciating it, but the reuse of the boss theme just killed it and I enjoying it far less than I should.

Eh.
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: Agent 12 on June 04, 2009, 07:40:42 pm
Geo-  Her story isn't over yet :)
Acacia - There were talks to make that the "lavos at zeal" battle where beating him took you to the dev room. It wasn't implemented though I think in this build you try to attack but get shot back and then scene continues

Chrono Miz - Out of curiousity do you have a song (from chrono trigger) that would have fit better? Was it the pace/mood of the music you weren't happy with? Maybe if we would have gotten better at inserting music we could have given this a brand new song.....meh.  Just to note I personally think the song fit very well and especially love the end when things switch to the lavos scream and the screen turns white etc.

--JP
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: vicbear on June 04, 2009, 07:44:44 pm
So is King Zeal really being controlled by Lavos? He claims it is the other way round and that he is manipulating the frozen flame, but when he referred to himself he said "us"....
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: FaustWolf on June 04, 2009, 07:52:03 pm
Oh snap, if I knew people would have wanted different music for the Atash Kedah...but it's too late to go back now. Damn it. I never thought it took away from the scene though. Well, again, if you're rather tired with the same old CT music, just wait until the next volley of chapters. Heh heh heh...
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: Chrono'99 on June 04, 2009, 07:54:10 pm
We did have the knowledge necessary to insert music; we just hadn't got to the music remix/insertion phase yet. That was to be among the last things we do since it required heavy modification of the game's data.

Vicbear, this thing you brought up is a major aspect of King Zeal's character. He will have a lot of screentime later on, so you'll see :)
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: Mikisho on June 04, 2009, 09:01:32 pm
You know, I could have seen Lavos' theme playing during that part.  It also would have matched the moment, seeing as how he was thought to be being controlled by Lavos.
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: Agent 12 on June 04, 2009, 09:05:36 pm
Hm that actually would have been interesting. IIRC lavos theme is a little slow paced at the beginning I can't remember how much it picks up.  It would have been interesting to try out though.

--JP
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: Mikisho on June 04, 2009, 09:31:41 pm
I just tried it (Through the power of tabs xD) and I think it added much more emotion to the scene.  But alas, it will never be official....  Unless of course, one of the developers happened to get a hold of an Alpha copy <_<....  Quick, before Square catches onto us.... xD
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: ZealKnight on June 04, 2009, 10:10:19 pm
The story so far is amazing. I mean, I could have guessed King Zeal a long time ago, but you guys did it very well. It seems this would be how Kato would do it. (although I would question the Masamune thing entirely) Next I wonder how Gasper fits into the story. I'd be surprised you didn't use him yet. And I'm going to go ahead and say that yeah King Zeal is complete controlled by Lavos, After all if Lavos cloned Schala then this revival is Kid or at least part of Kid. To think at this time Serge is two years old and probably being attacked by Lynx or at least a panther.
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: Rickets on June 05, 2009, 12:08:41 am
That was epic, I loved how you guys built it up like that.

Watching CE as a TV show is almost better than playing it myself. That's how good you guys did.

 :mrgreen:

Of course, I can't play it myself... eh you know what I mean. I like it like this.
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: Mikisho on June 05, 2009, 03:01:30 am
Chapter 7 should be out any minute now...  God, you guys have me excited over a video xD I haven't been this excited since I bought FFX off of Ebay....
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: ZealKnight on June 05, 2009, 11:01:57 am
pfft! Trust me this is better then FFX. Any game without Tidus and Wakka is automatically better.
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: Mikisho on June 05, 2009, 11:22:52 am
I never said it wasnt.  But I myself love FFX, as well as the story behind it.  When I bought it on Ebay, the anticipation of me playing it again was tremendous.  It was equal to how excited I am about these videos.
Title: Re: The Month That Could Have Been -- Chapter 6
Post by: HyperNerd on June 05, 2009, 12:11:44 pm
Excellent work, as always.

It's terrible that it's destroyed...