Chrono Compendium
Zenan Plains - Site Discussion => Polling => Topic started by: Hmstr1hom on May 18, 2008, 06:31:50 pm
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I'd have to go with my homeboy Crono.
I remember, back when i started out, I made a Crono vs Serge thread not unlike this one. Crono one by a landslide.
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Wow! What an incredibly unique topic! Too bad no one else ever made a topic like it because it's also incredibly inane & stupid, HA! :P
Crono & Magus are the only ones that actually KNOW Magic...everyone else on that list just use items that let you use magic if you have them equipped. I'll say Crono though because of Luminaire...but Magus could kick any of their butts too...
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I am basing this entirely on raw power, Since the only example of Crono's fighting outside sprites is the anime-esk sequences in the remake, all of which at the peak of their power, so skill is out. so in term of raw power, Sephiroth assuming this is post falling in the life-stream, since that circumvents V_Translanka's statement. They really just tried to make him as powerful as all get out, while Magus was powerful, there were clearly more powerful entities.
Course all his power doesn't make him exactly like-able. He's too good in all respects, bar obvious personality problems, to be a truly like-able character.
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Wow! What an incredibly unique topic! Too bad no one else ever made a topic like it because it's also incredibly inane & stupid, HA! :P
INORITE?
I am basing this entirely on raw power, Since the only example of Crono's fighting outside sprites is the anime-esk sequences in the remake, all of which at the peak of their power, so skill is out. so in term of raw power, Sephiroth assuming this is post falling in the life-stream, since that circumvents V_Translanka's statement. They really just tried to make him as powerful as all get out, while Magus was powerful, there were clearly more powerful entities.
Course all his power doesn't make him exactly like-able. He's too good in all respects, bar obvious personality problems, to be a truly like-able character.
But then again, Cloud has proven himself to be stronger than Sephiroth TWICE.
I refuse to shed another opinion until Poshul is added to the list. FEAR HIM!
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I voted for Sephiroth....You guys seem to forget that his strongest attack takes out the universe before even hitting cloud.... :P
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I voted for Sephiroth....You guys seem to forget that his strongest attack takes out the universe before even hitting cloud.... :P
Of course, of course.
But then Serge cast Aquaball, and everything went to hell. o.o;
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Yeah, but then Magus would wave around his arms in a stylish fashion and would cast dark matter on Serge, who would run around screaming until he tripped and fell right through Cloud's buster sword, impaling his head. Cloud, shocked by the impailation, would also run around in a frenzy until bumping into safer sephiroth. However, since safer sephiroth floats, cloud runs into Sephiroths dick. Sephiroth, offended by cloud's gay-isms, would electrocute Everyone. The electricity somehow revives Serge. Serge casts black hole which kills everyone, somehow including serge. or something like that.
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And then Poshul would reign victoriously.
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fuck poshul. Funguy Should win!!!!!!
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follow the rules
Say wha?
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The answer to this question is quite simple when one applies Calculatus Eliminatus.
Sephy already had his ass handed to him by Cloud. Thus, the evidence is clear that he would not win.
Cloud is a second rate angst filled teen. Crono's character development, in comparison, is wonderful. Thus, Crono would easily blow him away on one hand. However, Cloud has a giant sword. This is easily countered by Serge battling with an oar. Thus, the evidence is clear that Cloud would not win.
Crono battled a fiend that could consume the planet. Alas, as much as it pains me, Serge battled a fiend that could consume time. Unfortunately that is clear evidence that Crono would not win.
Serge, however, is a pansy who is willing to go on insanely complex journeys at the drop of a hat. Magus, on the other hand, has a forceful personality. He could easily tell Serge to stab himself and Serge would follow through, since he has the backbone of lime jello. Therefore, that is clear evidence that Serge could not win.
Therefore, Magus would win.
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follow the rules
Say wha?
There are no rules on this forum?
Cloud is a second rate angst filled teen. Crono's character development, in comparison, is wonderful. Thus, Crono would easily blow him away on one hand. However, Cloud has a giant sword. This is easily countered by Serge battling with an oar. Thus, the evidence is clear that Cloud would not win.
Plus, Cloud's mind growth rate is actually only that of a 14 year old, or so I recall from the game. He's no second rate angst filled teen, he is an angst filled teen.
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Dammit! My brains got fried again. This is too smart for me! It was less confusing when the winner was just Poshul somehow. :p
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And The winner is Sephiroth!!
He is a badass guy and so danm powerful that can rip your arses in seconds!!!
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That's exactly what I am saying! Sephiroth owns n00bcakes!
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Plus, Cloud's mind growth rate is actually only that of a 14 year old, or so I recall from the game. He's no second rate angst filled teen, he is an angst filled teen.
I'm so glad that someone else has pointed this out. I mean, Cloud (and Zack) were cryogenically frozen for several years, thus his body may have grown, but his mine remained the same - a teenager. I always wondered about the whole 21-year old body with a 15-year old mentality.
NOTE: The ages above are approximates and most likely incorrect.
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So even though Cloud has beaten Sephiroth twice, he would somehow not only lose to Sephiroth, but also to the CT gang, who also apparently lose to Sephiroth...?
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I'm so glad that someone else has pointed this out. I mean, Cloud (and Zack) were cryogenically frozen for several years, thus his body may have grown, but his mine remained the same - a teenager. I always wondered about the whole 21-year old body with a 15-year old mentality.
NOTE: The ages above are approximates and most likely incorrect.
Cloud's ages as follows:
21 in body
14 in mind
2 where it counts. And that's being generous I bet.
I have to admit, FF7 was my favorite out of the series, but I stopped liking cloud when I hit Eight years old, so he went to the graveyard of childhood heroes along with Indiana Jones and Sailor Moon.
Though I am looking forward to the new Indie movie...
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So even though Cloud has beaten Sephiroth twice, he would somehow not only lose to Sephiroth, but also to the CT gang, who also apparently lose to Sephiroth...?
Apparently. Sephy is bishounen, after all, and apparently a lot of people aren't able to resist that raw ambiguous sex appeal. Either that or they're judging him by that impossibly long longsword of his.
Hmm... now the real question is, who would win in a battle, Sephiroth or Pat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_%28Saturday_Night_Live%29)?
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So even though Cloud has beaten Sephiroth twice, he would somehow not only lose to Sephiroth, but also to the CT gang, who also apparently lose to Sephiroth...?
Apparently. Sephy is bishounen, after all, and apparently a lot of people aren't able to resist that raw ambiguous sex appeal. Either that or they're judging him by that impossibly long longsword of his.
Hmm... now the real question is, who would win in a battle, Sephiroth or Pat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_%28Saturday_Night_Live%29)?
Pat, hands down.
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Sephiroth should have prevailed in Advent Children. A split-second realization that you care about your friends does not equip you to defeat a flying demi-god.
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Sephiroth should have prevailed in Advent Children. A split-second realization that you care about your friends does not equip you to defeat a flying demi-god.
Indeed.
In fact, I've always hated Seph bashers, because it wasn't really him, it was Jenova controlling him, as she did Cloud several times. Besides, Sephiroth stabs Cloud straight in the fucking shoulder, yet he can still move with ease.
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm47/HisStarshine/hax.jpg)
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But just think of what would've happened HAD Sephiroth won in Advent Children... Oh me oh my!
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But just think of what would've happened HAD Sephiroth won in Advent Children... Oh me oh my!
True, but still. Cloud cheated.
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I read somewhere that Sephiroth wasn't fighting at his full potential... which, based on the above statements, could be taken as true (Though given that it was likely his last chance to win as far as he could tell, that could only really count as another knock against him personality wise.) Like I said, In terms of Raw power, Sephiroth wins, but as others have pointed out numerous times ("Cloud has beaten Seph twice.") Raw power doesn't always win battles. I voted for him since I can't use the unknowns like a story writer can. I'm certain that plot would determine the winner of any battle between these five. (which incidentally invalidates my choice of Sephiroth, ironically.)
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Lavos is obviously the most powerful opponent any of them (Crono & Magus) has defeated...You could bring up the Devourer of Time to say that means Serge actually fought the most powerful being among them, but he just used the Chrono Cross like a puss. :P
(http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/4006/sephirothea1.png)
Yeah, speaking of which...Kefka could totally take out a large portion of them w/the Light of Judgement...
^_^
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Lavos is obviously the most powerful opponent any of them (Crono & Magus) has defeated...You could bring up the Devourer of Time to say that means Serge actually fought the most powerful being among them, but he just used the Chrono Cross like a puss. :P
(http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/4006/sephirothea1.png)
Yeah, speaking of which...Kefka could totally take out a large portion of them w/the Light of Judgement...
^_^
Hey what if you finish Cross at the start with only Serge in new game +. He and Crono could became even stronger.
but i don't know if there is new game + in FF7.
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If we take into account the Kingdom Heart games, then Ol Sephy's been defeated 4 times, twice by a pre-teen with a 2 or 3 foot long wiffle-bat-like-key who hangs around a duck with a speech impediment and a mutant dog thing that uses a shield as a weapon. Does Arthur Dent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Dent) have to whip Sephiroth's ass with a towel next? Perhaps a Care Bare Stare?
To note, having an out of control Oedipus complex does not make one a demi-god.
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Sephiroth should have prevailed in Advent Children. A split-second realization that you care about your friends does not equip you to defeat a flying demi-god.
Indeed.
In fact, I've always hated Seph bashers, because it wasn't really him, it was Jenova controlling him, as she did Cloud several times. Besides, Sephiroth stabs Cloud straight in the fucking shoulder, yet he can still move with ease.
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm47/HisStarshine/hax.jpg)
The FFVII Ultimania guide says that it is Sephiroth that was controlling Jenova I thought...
But it is true that Sephiroth wasn't fighting with his full power in AC, unfortunately at the end of FFVII, it sure as hell seemed like he was fighting with everything he had.
And come to think of it, V_Translanka is right, Lavos is the most powerful opponent any of them ever fought, hell, could Cloud or Sephiroth even beat Zeal? A hallation vs Heartless Angel.
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But it is true that Sephiroth wasn't fighting with his full power in AC, unfortunately at the end of FFVII, it sure as hell seemed like he was fighting with everything he had.
Then how do you explain the "Final" final battle in which all you have to do is use a Limit Break that couldn't have killed Safer (or Seraph) Sephiroth in the first place? The only way to actually LOSE was to just not choose to attack.
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Actually, I've tried that, he attacks you, and, unless something goes wrong (perhaps you're under leveling the game or some such) you survive and automatically counter attack with a normal strike, so even not attacking is out the window.
To be fair though, since that was a battle of minds and wills, supposedly meant to showcase Cloud's triumph over Sephiroth's will or something cliche like that, there are any number of explainations for why he was so much weaker in that fight.
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To be fair though, since that was a battle of minds and wills, supposedly meant to showcase Cloud's triumph over Sephiroth's will or something cliche like that, there are any number of explainations for why he was so much weaker in that fight.
Perhaps he had lost all of his Mako Radiation? I don't think transforming into an angelic figure is something you can reverse; Jenova might have simply left his body.
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To be fair though, since that was a battle of minds and wills, supposedly meant to showcase Cloud's triumph over Sephiroth's will or something cliche like that, there are any number of explainations for why he was so much weaker in that fight.
Perhaps he had lost all of his Mako Radiation? I don't think transforming into an angelic figure is something you can reverse; Jenova might have simply left his body.
That make sense.... But is it possible to just lose your mako radiation?
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Well, he can sprout angel wings and wield a 10 foot katana. Why not?
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I'm so sick of hearing about FF7. It wins the award for being the most overrated RPG in our Time!
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World needs more Planescape: Torment, its the Gorram Firefly of RPGs
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World needs more Planescape: Torment, its the Gorram Firefly of RPGs
I thought Serenity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serenity_%28role-playing_game%29) (the RPG) was the gorram Firefly of RPGs (or do those sort of games not count?).
If Planescape: Torment is the Firefly of RPGs, does that make Chris Avellone, Joss Wheadon?
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And no one shows any love for Earthbound. How dare you forget the SNES's 2nd greatest rpg?
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And no one shows any love for Earthbound. How dare you forget the SNES's 2nd greatest rpg?
PS:T's better! :lol: Seriously it is a great game.
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To wikipedia i go then, due to my lack of knowledge of this title.
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Not sure if the original topic is still valid or not, but I vote for "none of the above." Serge is ok, but there are so many overrated characters on that list with him (one of which is a freaking "mama's boy"). :(
Please excuse me, but I need to run away now. Opened Pandora's Box, I have.
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I voted for Sephiroth....You guys seem to forget that his strongest attack takes out the universe before even hitting cloud....
I totally forgot about that!
That does pwn lives,lol!
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Well, if we're going to judge them that way then Magus' Black Hole wins...it's a freakin BLACK HOLE!!! Not to mention DARK MATTER!?!?! Talk about taking out the universe!
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And no one shows any love for Earthbound. How dare you forget the SNES's 2nd greatest rpg?
PS:T's better! :lol: Seriously it is a great game.
It seems to me that everybody loves Earthbound. Nobody ever cares about Lufia though. :( Especially the second one. in my opinion, maybe the 5th best game for SNES
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What about Saga frontier? No one talks about that game anymore. Or Front Mission. Seriously, wheres the giant mech love?
XENOSAGA SUCKS! Worst Movie i've ever seen :lol:
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Them's fightin' words, Tact. :wink: Unless you're talking about Xenosaga Episodes II and, to a significant extent, III, in which case I completely agree with you. The first Xenosaga had some general gameplay issues, but for the most part was a true work of art IMO at least. When the project was taken away from Takahashi and Soraya Saga, it took a giant nosedive.
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Them's fightin' words, Tact. :wink: Unless you're talking about Xenosaga Episodes II and, to a significant extent, III, in which case I completely agree with you. The first Xenosaga had some general gameplay issues, but for the most part was a true work of art IMO at least. When the project was taken away from Takahashi and Soraya Saga, it took a giant nosedive.
Faaaah... I just didn't like the overall 2 minutes of actual gameplay each game had... I liked the first one, but I really couldn't care for the second installment and i didn't even bother picking up the third.
And I still can't piece together it's relation to Xenogears. Perhaps I'm Retarded?
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The first episode of Xenosaga led me to believe that it might just be a Xenogears prequel. Then Episodes II and III utterly annihilated the possibility of a direct connection due to certain major inconsistencies with Xenogears: Episode I as presented in Perfect Works, Takahashi's vision for the Xenogears series. Since Square Enix still holds the rights to Xenogears (I think?) and Takahashi was working for Monolithsoft, I guess he was prevented from "stealing" the intellectual property he himself left in Square's hands, and used the opportunity to "reboot" his vision. Xenogears is essentially dead -- the intellectual property will not be developed any more in an "official" capacity.
But there is yet hope for Xenogears. Despite being utterly weird story-wise IMHO, Xenosaga Episode III left us with beautiful models of young Lacan, the Zohar, numerous characters, and a bunch of nice-looking mechs, one of which is essentially Weltall from Xenogears. Hm, hm, hm. I can dream at least.
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Something compeletely off topic That I just remembered: I used to have a cardboard box that I wrote "XENOGEAR" in big letters on when I was about 7. For almost a straight week I didn't leave home without it. I would walk through public with it on my head and I would sneak into my mom and my brothers room and scare the living crap out of them in the middle of the night.
I miss that thing.
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That would have been worth a Kodak moment. :lol:
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:lol:
While considering the abilities of all fighters (OMFG WHY AIN'T POSHUL AND PIP IN THERE?!) I'd say several have shown their best, unlike Magus. Cloud is a great character pulling off his best at everything, a very agile and strong character. However, Sephiroth was far superior. But he only managed to be a "Bad ass" due to Jenova transformation and blah blah black materia and blah blah. Cloud won with the help of his comrades. Serge is an a-okay character, that doesn't fall behind and is good enough. XD But he isn't the strongest, either. Now Crono, on the other hand is an excellent swordsman, dishing out furious attacks skillfully (Akira's imagination!) and summoning heavenly excellent lightning magic at an outrageously young age!! O_O
And now it's time for Magus. Seriously, you people must've noticed. As an in-game (or story character) he seemed heckuva lot powerful. Yeah, the elemental barriers, turning people to frog, casting unbreakable ice-magic to petrify people, and instantly killing spells, etc. But when you PLAY him as a character, he has none of it. -.- Just the 3 basic elements and 3 shadow spells, with magic wall as supportive. Kinda seems like he's hiding his TRUE power no matter what the f*** the opponent gives. >.> Lol! That's entirely the reason why I think he's really scary and powerful. So I vote for him. xD
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But when you PLAY him as a character, he has none of it. -.- Just the 3 basic elements and 3 shadow spells, with magic wall as supportive. Kinda seems like he's hiding his TRUE power no matter what the f*** the opponent gives. >.> Lol! That's entirely the reason why I think he's really scary and powerful. So I vote for him. xD
You only get Magus playable after Lavos seemingly drains his energy, which explains some of his skills needing to be relearned...but, yeah, RD showed that he learned a few new tricks along the way as well...
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You only get Magus playable after Lavos seemingly drains his energy, which explains some of his skills needing to be relearned...but, yeah, RD showed that he learned a few new tricks along the way as well...
He managed to avoid the Leeches, didn't he?
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You only get Magus playable after Lavos seemingly drains his energy, which explains some of his skills needing to be relearned...but, yeah, RD showed that he learned a few new tricks along the way as well...
He managed to avoid the Leeches, didn't he?
:mrgreen: I agree to that. BUT even after Lavos drained his energy he fights once again, and at that time he HAS spells like elemental barrier which are not obtainable in-game. :wink: Now explain that.
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What do you mean? When he fights again when?
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I'm guessing the fight on the bluffs. when you choose whether or not to get him. I've been wrong before though. I don't recall him using the barriers in that fight.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure he doesn't...a 1-on-1 would be next to impossible for Frog or Marle to win if he had his Water Magic barrier...>_> But anyways, even if he did it could be explained because it's non-canon to fight Magus there...but I'm pretty sure he just uses Magic he can learn...
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We were actually referring to Radical Dreamers, wheras Magil he uses many spells not available to him in CT. My guess would either be more time spent studying magics, or new spells learned while in El Nido.
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Uh, I don't think Radical Dreamers happened in El Nido...But yeah, there are characters that have shown abilities outside of battle that they can't or don't use in battle as well...
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I was torn between Chrono and Cloud. Chrono beat Magus (with the help of others) but would still win. Cloud beat Sephiroth with materia but who knows if Sephiroth had any? Cloud could woop Serge's a$$ because Serge had to
'Allocate" elements. Cloud beat a Materia by himself in Advent Children. I'm going w/ Chrono (best game ever((FF7 next(((FF6 3rd))). I love this Site!
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Uh, I don't think Radical Dreamers happened in El Nido...But yeah, there are characters that have shown abilities outside of battle that they can't or don't use in battle as well...
Such as Guile's levitation, and Serge's "Thinking Pose".
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I'm gonna go with Serge. Can anyone else call down angels from heaven and fry everyone?
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Chrono, Sephiroth, Cloud all do.
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I'm gonna go with Serge. Can anyone else call down angels from heaven and fry everyone?
Yes Starky, Steena, Ridel and etc, etc
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He's not in the series, but Pit from Kid Icarus can do so aswell...
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I just meant the people in the poll.
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In that case, they might not be angels but I'm sure that Sephiroth can do something similar, taking that he, himself, bears the form of a fallen angel.
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That's true. I admit Sephiroth would give him a fair fight. And when does Cloud call down angels? I've seen almost that whole game and didn't see that. And I know for sur3e that Chrono does not.
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As for Cloud, Knights of the Round or Alexander might count.
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Crono calls angels...but not to fight...he has that Life spell, y'know?
And Knights of the Round isn't limited to Cloud, though, as Materia's just like the CC Elements...anyone can equip them.
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Crono calls angels...but not to fight...he has that Life spell, y'know?
And Knights of the Round isn't limited to Cloud, though, as Materia's just like the CC Elements...anyone can equip them.
That's true, but in CC they have to be of a certain innate.
So there you ahve it; In one way or another, all of the characters on that list can call angels. (except Magus).
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In some way or another, but I still think that Serge would win.
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In some way or another, but I still think that Serge would win.
I doubt that. As Thought said earlier in this thread, Serge has backbone with the strength of a cup of Lime Jello, considering he is willing to go on insanely dangerous, life risaking, complex journeys at the drop of a hat. Magus on the otherhand, has a forceful personality. He could easily tell Serge to smash his head between two bricks and Serge would happily follow trough.
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...he is willing to go on insanely dangerous, life risaking, complex journeys at the drop of a hat...
Exactly, Serge can and will do more then any of them would. Cloud would run away *Fight another day*, not Serge he'll end it then and there.
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Serge has the poorest reasoning capabilities. Case in point: Leena.
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Serge has the poorest reasoning capabilities. Case in point: Leena.
I always hated that brat. She becomes useless the moment you recruit another blue innate character...
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...another blue innate character...
If by that you mean Marcy, I'll have to agree with you (not counting level 99 stats). There is no better blue innate magic user than Leena for a very long time (all the way up to Lynx, for obvious reasons), and since FrogPrince > enemies, you can see why she's useful.
To each their own though, I suppose. Personally, I like Leena (as a character and in battle). :)
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...another blue innate character...
If by that you mean Marcy, I'll have to agree with you (not counting level 99 stats). There is no better blue innate magic user than Leena for a very long time (all the way up to Lynx, for obvious reasons), and since FrogPrince > enemies, you can see why she's useful.
To each their own though, I suppose. Personally, I like Leena (as a character and in battle). :)
If you recruit Pierre, there's really no reason to keep using her in my opinion. Her techs really aren't that great, but Pierre is very useful when fighting bosses early in the game, such as Marcy or Lynx, when your HP is probably going to fall very low. Pierre's first Tech is very useful; it allows you to do the classic rpg pattern "Heal-Attack-Attack". Along with having good strength as the game progresses, and also hjaving an advantage with healing elements like Cure and CurePlus, he becomes a Paladin of sorts. AND he can summon FrogPrince.
Case in Point, Pierre > Leena.
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If you recruit Pierre, there's really no reason to keep using her in my opinion. Her techs really aren't that great, but Pierre is very useful when fighting bosses early in the game, such as Marcy or Lynx, when your HP is probably going to fall very low. Pierre's first Tech is very useful; it allows you to do the classic rpg pattern "Heal-Attack-Attack". Along with having good strength as the game progresses, and also hjaving an advantage with healing elements like Cure and CurePlus, he becomes a Paladin of sorts. AND he can summon FrogPrince.
Case in Point, Pierre > Leena.
No offense, but are we playing the same game? Pierre's strength and magic are both amazingly bad early to mid-game, and being able to use Cure and CurePlus means nothing since anybody in the game can do that (CureAll may be what you're thinking of, but that element sucks). When you get Pierre back late-game, he is somewhat ok, but only if you equip all his Hero gear. By that point, you can easily have Orlha, who outclasses him in almost every way possible (as far as I remember).
I know Leena is fairly bad strength-wise as well, but that's sort of the point (she's a mage, obviously). Her magic easily makes up for that, unless you get RNG screwed. Marcy is a good mixture of both strength and magic, so that's really the only reason I'd say she's better than Leena.
For the record, HealAll is the best healing element overall anyway (targets all, good healing, available early). Everybody can use that as well, of course.
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I haven't played through the whole game with Pierre, but I've done enough to know that I'd take Leena or Nikki any day. And later on, I'd just go with Fargo or Marcy. As for healing elements, Heal all is great. But if they sold Cure all in stores and was as easy to find as Heal all, I'd definitely go with that.
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Hands down, though, Fargo is the best blue innate character. He can use FrogPrince, has an amazing level 7 tech and can steal, what more can you ask for, eh?
And I forgot about Nikki. Bad part is, Nikki isn't that great of a physical attacker. Great magic user, but he really isn't useful throughout the entire game... When you get the mock Excalibur in Chronopolis and equip it to Pierre, woah. Talk about damage.
Plus, he's the quickest way to get into Viper Manor. Guile's cool and a black innate with stong techs, Nikki is a great healer and can summon Frogprince, not to mention he fights with a guitar (Awesome!), but Pierre outdoes them all I believe. But to each his own.
Leena's still a brat, though.
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Hands down, though, Fargo is the best blue innate character. He can use FrogPrince, has an amazing level 7 tech and can steal, what more can you ask for, eh?
And I forgot about Nikki. Bad part is, Nikki isn't that great of a physical attacker. Great magic user, but he really isn't useful throughout the entire game... When you get the mock Excalibur in Chronopolis and equip it to Pierre, woah. Talk about damage.
Plus, he's the quickest way to get into Viper Manor. Guile's cool and a black innate with stong techs, Nikki is a great healer and can summon Frogprince, not to mention he fights with a guitar (Awesome!), but Pierre outdoes them all I believe. But to each his own.
Leena's still a brat, though.
Yeah and when you get Hero's shield , Sword and medal he becomes more powerful and gets the last tech!!!
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True, Pierre is the quickest way to get in Viper manor, but I think it's worth the extra time on Guile. He's like one of the best people later on. If you get all his element slots anyway. Plus, his magic is AWESOME! When you first get him Wandaln is like super powerful. Nikki, ehh. He's good, but I think it's more worthwhile to do one of the other two. You have to do quite a bit to get him. I guess I just never liked that forest.
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For the record, Nikki is the best way to get into Viper Manor for one simple reason: he's the only guide that isn't forced into your party for that part. This is good, because you can use someone else (or two other people, if you ditch Kid) you might actually like instead. Better stat growth that way as well.
What I just said is obvious, but I felt it should be noted.
[Edit]: A decent choice is Poshul, since she can't fit in the Acacia gear. Kind of funny to see a pink dog following two guards around.
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lol. I guess I never used Poshul in Viper manor so I haven't seen that.