Chrono Compendium
Enhasa Halls - Chrono Series Analysis => Lavos, the Planet, and other Entities => Topic started by: Swordmaster on November 15, 2004, 09:26:16 pm
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I was wondering about the red star that is said to be Lavos. It seens that Lavo were very huge to be seen from earth in the daylight and yet very far from atmosphere, but theres some people that say that Lavos arrive in the planet as little spawn.
I think of a possibity is that the red star is not Lavos reflecting the sun light nor burning in the atmosphere but a red portal like the one that a spawn came from in the Black Omen.
So what is the Compendium opinion in this matter?
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I'd say that while Lavos itself was a spawn at that point, and not visible, when it was on it's final aproach, the air and debris around it probably ignited, and that was what was visible.
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Your theory would have to account for the fact that the "Red Star" moves...
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I'd say that while Lavos itself was a spawn at that point, and not visible, when it was on it's final aproach, the air and debris around it probably ignited, and that was what was visible.
Your theory would have to account for the fact that the "Red Star" moves...
The problem i see is the distance of the star on you first view, to far from the planet to occur the ignition and withou any type of trail.
And I really only see lavos moving just before hit the ground.
Now if the red star is some sort of space gate, it could indicate a possible planning.
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Lavos is clearly shown flying through space and there's nothing to suggest that the "red star" was a red portal. Is it possible? Perhaps. I don't think there's any good evidence to support that idea, though. On the other hand, there's plenty of evidence to suggest what Azla pointed out as the "red star" was indeed Lavos.
Simplest idea wins, right?
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Yeah, right when you defeat Azala, you see that cutscreen of Lavos flying through space (with the sad music on). Yup...I know my CT, alright! :lol:
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Yes , there's a scene that show Lavos flying through space but it's alredy near the planet and it begin the red glow before enter the atmosphere so still the doubt about the red glow that came from a small body far from the planet.
There many examples of use of "gates" to space travel in sci-fi like in the Babilon 5 series.
But i agree that theres few evidences to prove this theory, but it bring attention to the Lavos' landing analyse.
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Personally, I don't think the creators of the game thought it through that deeply when they programmed this scene. They probably sayed, "Hey, red's a neat color. Let's color Lavos red!" There are some things that we really can't critically analyze, you know.
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Personally, I don't think the creators of the game thought it through that deeply when they programmed this scene. They probably sayed, "Hey, red's a neat color. Let's color Lavos red!" There are some things that we really can't critically analyze, you know.
Most of the stuff in the game was just to be cool (such as Lavos's swirly blue background when you fight him) and look what we managed to do with junk like that. :O
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Oh please, you can't know that...It's completely obvious that the blue background is some kind of Pocket Dimension...At the very least, it's a better description than "they threw it in cause it's cool". I mean, it's so like the gates it's practically stupid to think otherwise...That's right, BELIEVE ME!!! OR DIE!!! :lol:
I think it's red because of Lavos. Ayla calls Lavos "Big Fire" (basically) and then there's the chunk of Lavos which is the Frozen Flame. ie, it's safe to assume (and plus we see him at various points), Lavos appears to be at least partially red. Also, with whatever atmosphere Chronoworld may have, it's safe to assume that Lavos would twinkle and shine, much like any other star. He IS moving through space at incredulous speed, right? Perhaps there's something there that I can't really go into because I don't know everything, but I don't see anything in game that points to it ever being a gate.
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At least in CT, Lavos is gray, but in some scene like when it is rising from magma (1999 A.D) it's is red just because of the color of the magma.
Beside a huge red gate perhaps Lavos travel the space inside a some sort of cocoon made whith a red material that became the flame.
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I have an idea. Maybe it's an immature form of Lavos, ie the phase after Lavos Spawn, but before the Lavos that you face. Maybe after Lavos absorbs the planet's energy, he also changes color. It's sort of like beetles, when their in adult form, but still in the ground gaining strength for the outside world. There aren't any blatant contradictions to this within the game, so I think it's pretty plausible. :o
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Lavos would make a red glow just like anything else when it enters the atmosphere. We know that CT takes place on some version of Earth, as it is repeatedly referred to as such, including as a noun by the residents of Zeal. That doesn't make it our Earth from a geopolitical standpoint, but from a physical angle it certainly does.
However, what's truly interesting is that Lavos glows red when he's hurtling through space and there's no Earth anywhere in sight.
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Maybe Lavos glows red because he had to bomb himself or explode the whole planet he comes from, in order to reach outer space. That could be possible, since he doesn't have wings or anything like that...
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You have a point there, but then I wonder when Lavos was planning to blow up Earth? :?:
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Perhaps when his children had reached a stage of growth to be able to conquer their own planets. But if you want Lavos to blow up Earth, you're looking at Death Star-scale power -- billions of trillions of trillions of joules, and then some. That alone doesn't make it completely unfeasible considering that the series deals heavily in magic, but it does make it awfully difficult to believe that Crono and the crew could have beaten him.
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I have an idea. Maybe it's an immature form of Lavos, ie the phase after Lavos Spawn, but before the Lavos that you face. Maybe after Lavos absorbs the planet's energy, he also changes color. It's sort of like beetles, when their in adult form, but still in the ground gaining strength for the outside world. There aren't any blatant contradictions to this within the game, so I think it's pretty plausible. :o
And I just called this kid a newb.
We know that Lavos spent quite some time gathering the planet's power and energy before rising to the surface from his Pocket Dimension, right? Who's to say that Lavos, just like the Lavos Spawn in 2300 A.D. seem to be feeding off the residual energy from the destruction that rained from the heavens in order to grow (and, presumably, eventually leave the planet), wasn't spending some of that time to grow and change into the form that we fight in the Pocket Dimension from 12000 B.C. and in 1999 A.D.?
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Hey, I'm only trying to contribute, okay. I'm sorry if my 14 year old mind isn't sophisticated enough for you.
That said, I do have to comment that you have a good point there. :P
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I'm fifteen, first of all, and second of all, I just complimented and supported your idea. But I may have to rethink that...
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Ha! I'm 20! And that makes me...sad...ahhhh...
I think Lavos is all glowy-red in space because of the energy it's using in guiding itself to a suitable planet...Makes sence, huh? Right? That's RIGHT i'm right, because I'm older than you! :roll:
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I didn't mean it to come out that way. I also you were sarcastic or something. I'm not used to people complimenting me on this forum. I'm such a newb... :oops:
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Perhaps when his children had reached a stage of growth to be able to conquer their own planets. But if you want Lavos to blow up Earth, you're looking at Death Star-scale power -- billions of trillions of trillions of joules, and then some. That alone doesn't make it completely unfeasible considering that the series deals heavily in magic, but it does make it awfully difficult to believe that Crono and the crew could have beaten him.
Magic allows the creation of elemental effects which exceed the "brute force" of the user. Attacks like Luminaire are likely a semi-crontrolled release of the caster's elemental energy, but Magus was able to summon Lavos through magical means, even though his elemental power could not compare to Lavos.
Lavos' destruction of the surface of the earth may be the extent of its raw elemental power, but Lavos could cause the planet to explode or disintigrate through magical manipulation of the laws of physics.
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As far as manipulating the laws of physics go, the world of Diablo has an interesting take on it. The magical knowledge of the Diablo universe holds that magic spells are in fact ruptures in normal space-time where the mortal plane and the ether, which obeys different laws of physics than the material world, collide. These rifts take various forms for different types of magic.
About Janus not being able to compare to Lavos, that strikes me as odd. It's perfectly possible, though difficult, to beat Lavos with Crono alone, and his magic attacks aren't nearly as strong as Janus' repertoire. However, I suppose almost any character at level 99 could do it. Perhaps the reason one needs a Chrono Crew for the main storyline as opposed to a singular hero of time in New Game+ is because all the genes necessary for victory over Lavos caused some kind of a conflict in human physiology when put together. Realizing this, the planet would move to create time gates to unite the potentially most powerful humans ever.
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Yes, but in essence that would leave out Frog, Ayla & Magus as you can defeat Lavos the first time you get to the EoT with Crono, Marle, Lucca, and Robo.
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Right, but at least when you play the game the first time around, you're not going to be able to defeat Lavos until at least after the Ocean Palace disaster.
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Well, in theory you could do an insane amount of leveling...
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That's right...
Oh yeah, I guess you could use the game genie codes for all stats maxed out, all techs, level 99.
But then again, since you're not that far into the game, you wouldn't have good armor, weapons, etc. Your attacks wouldn't do as much damage, and you'd receive more damage, i.e. you'd get pwned.
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There are codes to get every item and weapon, as well.
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Right, forgot about that. Speaking of that, I have a question. Let's say you start off the game with every single item. This includes the Masamune. Therefore, couldn't you skip the whole Forest Maze part in the Prehistoric? You already have the sword, so you don't need dreamstone to reforge it.
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I've never tried, but I still don't think you could skip any parts of the game regardless of any codes you may be able to use. Also if you ever do try any of those Game Genie codes you may notice inconsistencies and erased game data. I know because my friend had a "code" that would allow you to play as Dalton and one that would allow you to play as Schala. But these codes produce enormous instability and the game will freeze whenever you encounter an enemy. He also erased my maxed out game files at the time in one shot.
Don't let people borrow your games!
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oh god, i feel so sorry for you! Well, I wouldn't use those codes anyway, since they take away from the game. I like CT just the way it is!
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Right, forgot about that. Speaking of that, I have a question. Let's say you start off the game with every single item. This includes the Masamune. Therefore, couldn't you skip the whole Forest Maze part in the Prehistoric? You already have the sword, so you don't need dreamstone to reforge it.
You need to at least get the Hero's Medal in order to get Frog in the first place, so yes, you would have to do some of it. I'm not sure how bad the game would react if the scripts were broken, though. Anybody feel like trying it out?
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Well, in the savestates made by ZeaLitY, you actually do start off the game with every item. It's a little weird, because Frog actually has Masamunes. The old one and the new one.
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Peaceman, do you have to go through the whole repair the Masammune senario, or can you give it to him ASAP?
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I dunno. Wait a couple days. I'll try it out.
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Sorry, but even if you have already have the Masamune and the Hero Medal, you still have to go through the whole Dreamstone thing. I bet the game's programmed so that Frog doesn't join you until after Melchior reforges the Masamune.