Chrono Compendium
Zenan Plains - Site Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: saridon on June 23, 2005, 02:57:32 am
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:shock: damn there was 157 people on chrono shock a minute ago now that is alot of people (looks at current most users ever online at 17) mabye we should advertise?
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Those numbers can't be true. Chronoshock is a dead site with no content and a group of leftover old timey forumers who have been disconnected with the main Chrono community for ages. They had no idea what Temporal Flux was a month after it was released and stare at me with wide eyes and blank stares whenever I notify them of news, like Kirite being released or a fan project releasing a demo. 159 members on at one time is impossible for them. In March I even calculated our rates of front page hits per day. We were set to overtake them in about August 2005 concerning total front page hits with our Encyclopedia from April 2004 vs. their new site from the same month. Of course, now they don't have a site, and have no plans to bring back what they lost.
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crazy numbers i know but its there and i was the only user on at that time
check the users online thing there is still about 50 guests on.
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Yes, now there are 40, at 2 AM in the morning? And I'm the only member checking their forums out of that number? A falsity.
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there where some more users on before
but 2am where you people are its only 5 pm here in australia the forums are so quite well i should get back o writing
with the numbers at chrono shock it was probally a bug or program doing a serch or check or somthing for a serch enigne maybe
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Yeah, I'm coming across pretty hard, but dang, I just see how it'd be so easy to make that number look inflated...
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what i dont get is why we have 500 members roughly and have only had 17 people online ever at one time?
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Most likely because that's 500 members over a period of 1.7 years.
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No worries here.
I was glancing over the ChronoShock forums and, for what I could see, we have ten times the intelligence of discussion and depth of thought here. They don't have a minute fraction of the analysis or understanding of the series, and have very few threads on concrete topics, most just floundering here or there.
So, in essence, ZeaLitY, GreyLensman, and the rest of the people who run the Compendium: no worries, forget however many may be online with them (though it is likely in error, anyway), you beat them hands down every day. Not to mention that their forum, in terms of posts, is no more active than this one.
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Thanks; my faith is girded. Even in matters of content, we're making strides. While another site might list a couple sentences about this character, we have a high quality write up and list of information for someone even as small as King Guardia XXXIII. http://www.chronocompendium.com/wiki/index.php?title=King_Guardia_XXXIII
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*That large number of guests usually indicates that a search engine, in this case google more than likely, was cacheing the pages. Though in the first days of CS over 4 years ago having 50-60 real people on at any given time was not unusal.
*The reason for no site content lies in a combination of both bad hosting in the past where content was lost and the fact that we have lives.
*There is less discussion on CS for the main reason, as briefly mentioned before, is that the site is four years old. And it was a fusion of a CT and CC site that had a year or so run before that. So after 5 years or so, give or take, you run out of things to analyze and discuss. Been there done that.
*Not to knock your site or anything, because granted I've never really looked at it, but you're not the only ones to feature unique content. You just happen to have webmasters and staffers that have time to work on it. Whereas many of our staffers such as myself, are in college full time and/or have jobs. College > fansite in my opinion.
*At this point I'm not really sure what led me to post any of this. Maybe it was the nasty tones on both sides. The way I see it there aren't many CT/CC sites as it is so theres no reason to be snarky to each other. Especially when mentioning the intelligence level of posts and debates. I only wish the forums hadn't crashed a year or so ago.
At any rate, good luck with your site. :)
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Well, my tone mostly comes from the fact that I do post links to features for totally good intention, as its not like I'm capable of infringing upon Chronoshock's negatively something. However, I can't post it there without getting slammed for linking my site like I'm a huge spammer. That's why I've neglected to even mention the Chrono Symphonic Extravaganza, because I can't fit thirteen interviews in a single thread.
And...I wish I had webmasters who wrote as much content as I did. Initially, I almost wanted to close the site because I could not find much help with anything. However, now, structures are in place and I can focus on the high quality stuff like biographies while tools like Temporal Flux allow easy handling of graphics.
Sorry, I suppose a little of my tone also comes from my ambition. I intend for this to become the ultimate site, while the vibes I got from Chronoshock and Dicetomato specifically were kind of not really caring.
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I think the hostility at CS comes from the fact that the vast majority of your posts tend to include links and at times profuse mention of your site. No one begrudges that you have a site, and that your mentions of it are sometimes relevant, its just the frequency of the refernces. I understand the excitment and the need to share, I can be guilty of it as well, but it doesn't usually doesn't come off well.
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lol with all this "fighting" between chrono compendium people and chrono shock people once i finish chrono arc and chrono tactics i should make a spinoff of the chrono tactics game,
chrono compendium Vs chrono shock.
hehe i can just imagine it now :P
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*That large number of guests usually indicates that a search engine, in this case google more than likely, was cacheing the pages. Though in the first days of CS over 4 years ago having 50-60 real people on at any given time was not unusal.
*The reason for no site content lies in a combination of both bad hosting in the past where content was lost and the fact that we have lives.
*There is less discussion on CS for the main reason, as briefly mentioned before, is that the site is four years old. And it was a fusion of a CT and CC site that had a year or so run before that. So after 5 years or so, give or take, you run out of things to analyze and discuss. Been there done that.
*Not to knock your site or anything, because granted I've never really looked at it, but you're not the only ones to feature unique content. You just happen to have webmasters and staffers that have time to work on it. Whereas many of our staffers such as myself, are in college full time and/or have jobs. College > fansite in my opinion.
*At this point I'm not really sure what led me to post any of this. Maybe it was the nasty tones on both sides. The way I see it there aren't many CT/CC sites as it is so theres no reason to be snarky to each other. Especially when mentioning the intelligence level of posts and debates. I only wish the forums hadn't crashed a year or so ago.
At any rate, good luck with your site. :)
Nasty tones? No, it was not really nasty. It was simply stating a fact. There is far more in depth analysis here, if one looks over all the articles, the discussions on time-travel, origins of characters, real-world influences. Considering the way ZeaLitY was speaking, it seemed there was a bit of a rivalry between the two forums, so I went over to discern exactly what this Chrono Shock was. I found forums not much different than, say, the Chronicles forums, where most of the discussion seems to be non-Chrono, and what is is generally surface discussions of who does what, and the like. In contrast, the Compendium has discussions ranging from technical to theological to philosophical, and approach it, as I have said before, in a manner befitting the ancient Hellenic philosophers, of open discussion and theorizing. So it's whatever the site intends, I suppose. I was approaching the comment in terms of how analytical the discussions were on both sites (which is ZeaLitY's goal), and I think from that field my comment was fair. I never said that was a bad thing, either, all I said that, as far as the goals of the Compendium go, ZeaLitY does not have much in the way of competition, which he appeared to be fearing.
And, to be honest, what got me a little frustrated when looking over the forums was looking at the name pronounciation thread, and not being able to reply due to the forum necromancy it would constitute. The problem with the thread was that it seemed that one poster (MN or something to that effect) was maintaining wrong assumptions, and it bothered me not to be able to correct them. Namely: 1.) That English is based mostly in Latin. It isn't. Only about 3 or 4%, or something like that, is from Latin. Most is indigenous to the North. 2.) That Latin for its part comes from Hellenic/Greek. It doesn't either. Say, the word 'lord': domino in Latin, anaks in Hellenic; 'king': Basileus or something to that effect in Hellenic, Rex in Latin; 'sword': Gladius in Latin, Skiphos in Hellenic. Anyway, both are Indo-European languages, and share a few words here or there because of their roots, but one is not the decendent of the other, especially since Latin speaking people colonized the Palantine Hill around 900BC, the very time when Hellas/Greece was coming out of its Dark Age. Contact didn't really come in a major way until the expeditionary force of the Macedonian Pyhrrus destroyed the Roman armies, 200 or 300BC. 3.) That Magus is pronounced May-gus in Latin, and should technically be Mah-jus because it comes from Chaldean. Now, I'm certain it is Mah-gus in Latin. Furthermore, I doubt the original was Chaldean, either. The Magi were a Persian group, not Chaldean. The Chaldeans were further west, around Ur, than the Persians - not until later did the Persians move west. I could be wrong, I suppose, but it still gives me cause for doubt, as Belthesar is certainly not a Chaldean name, as he maintains: it is Babylonian.
Anyway, it seemed to me that this was one of the few threads actually analyzing the Chrono world as the Compendium does. Most of the others were just game-topics. So I hope you can excuse me on these grounds.
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lol with all this "fighting" between chrono compendium people and chrono shock people once i finish chrono arc and chrono tactics i should make a spinoff of the chrono tactics game,
chrono compendium Vs chrono shock.
hehe i can just imagine it now :P
hehehe, can i be in it?
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*That large number of guests usually indicates that a search engine, in this case google more than likely, was cacheing the pages. Though in the first days of CS over 4 years ago having 50-60 real people on at any given time was not unusal.
*The reason for no site content lies in a combination of both bad hosting in the past where content was lost and the fact that we have lives.
*There is less discussion on CS for the main reason, as briefly mentioned before, is that the site is four years old. And it was a fusion of a CT and CC site that had a year or so run before that. So after 5 years or so, give or take, you run out of things to analyze and discuss. Been there done that.
*Not to knock your site or anything, because granted I've never really looked at it, but you're not the only ones to feature unique content. You just happen to have webmasters and staffers that have time to work on it. Whereas many of our staffers such as myself, are in college full time and/or have jobs. College > fansite in my opinion.
*At this point I'm not really sure what led me to post any of this. Maybe it was the nasty tones on both sides. The way I see it there aren't many CT/CC sites as it is so theres no reason to be snarky to each other. Especially when mentioning the intelligence level of posts and debates. I only wish the forums hadn't crashed a year or so ago.
At any rate, good luck with your site. :)
Nasty tones? No, it was not really nasty. It was simply stating a fact. There is far more in depth analysis here, if one looks over all the articles, the discussions on time-travel, origins of characters, real-world influences. Considering the way ZeaLitY was speaking, it seemed there was a bit of a rivalry between the two forums, so I went over to discern exactly what this Chrono Shock was. I found forums not much different than, say, the Chronicles forums, where most of the discussion seems to be non-Chrono, and what is is generally surface discussions of who does what, and the like. In contrast, the Compendium has discussions ranging from technical to theological to philosophical, and approach it, as I have said before, in a manner befitting the ancient Hellenic philosophers, of open discussion and theorizing. So it's whatever the site intends, I suppose. I was approaching the comment in terms of how analytical the discussions were on both sites (which is ZeaLitY's goal), and I think from that field my comment was fair. I never said that was a bad thing, either, all I said that, as far as the goals of the Compendium go, ZeaLitY does not have much in the way of competition, which he appeared to be fearing.
And, to be honest, what got me a little frustrated when looking over the forums was looking at the name pronounciation thread, and not being able to reply due to the forum necromancy it would constitute. The problem with the thread was that it seemed that one poster (MN or something to that effect) was maintaining wrong assumptions, and it bothered me not to be able to correct them. Namely: 1.) That English is based mostly in Latin. It isn't. Only about 3 or 4%, or something like that, is from Latin. Most is indigenous to the North. 2.) That Latin for its part comes from Hellenic/Greek. It doesn't either. Say, the word 'lord': domino in Latin, anaks in Hellenic; 'king': Basileus or something to that effect in Hellenic, Rex in Latin; 'sword': Gladius in Latin, Skiphos in Hellenic. Anyway, both are Indo-European languages, and share a few words here or there because of their roots, but one is not the decendent of the other, especially since Latin speaking people colonized the Palantine Hill around 900BC, the very time when Hellas/Greece was coming out of its Dark Age. Contact didn't really come in a major way until the expeditionary force of the Macedonian Pyhrrus destroyed the Roman armies, 200 or 300BC. 3.) That Magus is pronounced May-gus in Latin, and should technically be Mah-jus because it comes from Chaldean. Now, I'm certain it is Mah-gus in Latin. Furthermore, I doubt the original was Chaldean, either. The Magi were a Persian group, not Chaldean. The Chaldeans were further west, around Ur, than the Persians - not until later did the Persians move west. I could be wrong, I suppose, but it still gives me cause for doubt, as Belthesar is certainly not a Chaldean name, as he maintains: it is Babylonian.
Anyway, it seemed to me that this was one of the few threads actually analyzing the Chrono world as the Compendium does. Most of the others were just game-topics. So I hope you can excuse me on these grounds.
Sorry, just didn't want my reply I spent a while on getting lost on the last page, with nobody looking at it.
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I think that could be a nice post to have in the pronounciation thread.
But like I said before, CS had many thought provoking threads of CS, CC and non-game topics prior the forums crashing on several occasions. Threads that would rival those of which you speak of here. Just a shame that the files were either not fully backed up or had corrupt data. But such is life.
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Before aught else is aaid, Wisp, by the way, you did convince me in some regard. I will amend what I said before to only apply to how things currently stand, and not how they were in grander days. But now...
Hmmm... I would like to know: what was moronic about my statements? If those at CS can give conclusive evidence that I was wrong in saying that our discussions have ten times the depth and thought process, go ahead, I challenge you - prove it and I shall admit error. I have done so in the past. But so long as you have threads about 'Moron of the day', it acts in your dis-favour, proving the veracity of what I have said, and I would appreciate not being labelled as such simply for voicing something that is truth - harsh though it may be, it is still truth. If such a comment angers you so, then give an analytical reply, and counter with logic - as Wisp did so lately. Otherwise you are speaking to the wind, and displaying a certain measure of insecurity. If you are so adamantly right, tell me why, and prove it! Don't name someone a moron just because you do not like their stance. It does not befit scientific method, which is essentially what I was maintining the CS forums lacked.
Now, I have based my comment on date, on the number of threads and the length of discussion. My inference of depth of analysis was based on the volume of existing threads about series events. Moreover, it might also be noted that of all the sub-forums contained within CS, few pertain to looking at the series in a manner that seeks to understand scientifically.
Moreover, I would appreciate if I am not misconstrued: I never threw around a name claiming it to be one of the staff - it was simply the person that was maintaining these things, and by post count seemed to be a more regular poster. And I was speaking in direct reply to a certain error I found regarding Hellenic and Latin languages, and the pronounciation thereof, which is a matter most dear to me. That stood as a seperate issue, however, from the other comments, and as somewhat of an excuse for my more vehement toungue - although my style of speech is even as guilty.
Essentially, though, I maintained a stance that the Compendium looks at things in far more logical and analyitical a fashion. If I am wrong, by all means correct me with proof, and not name-calling. That's fool's work, and more often than not is simply the weapon of those that cannot defend themselves through proof - and I should think you do not wish to follow that sort. So... prove it. I was at odds with the Compendium at first - some may remember that here - but they convinced me otherwise, and I was wrong. I maintained they thought about these things too deeply, actually, but I conceded my error in time, and now ardently defend their work. So defend yourselves if you please, and prove me wrong. But don't go ad hominem on me; that's a logical fallacy.
Also remember: this comment to ZeaLitY was meant as support and kindling for his zeal to work on this site, and to quell any insecurity he may have had about competition. I actually did not mean it as something against CS, as some might see it as, but rather as support for the Compendium. Just because one is seen better than the other does not make the lesser bad.
Oh, and for those who wonder what in this wide earth I am speaking in reply to:
http://www.chronoshock.com/community/showthread.php?t=1319&page=2&pp=16
I wasn't going to take that without a rebuttle; I'm too hot-headed for that. But I don't wish to bother registering over there.
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I like how you are all so obsessed with Chronoshock. :)
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I like how you are all so obsessed with Chronoshock. :)
Rivalries are so much fun, aren't they?
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I was unawares of any such rivalry...I thought we were all like brothers and sisters within the realm of the Chrono community as a whole...YA GOTTA FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHT TO CHROOONOO!
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Rivalries are for people with too much time on their hands.
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I think that could be a nice post to have in the pronounciation thread.
But like I said before, CS had many thought provoking threads of CS, CC and non-game topics prior the forums crashing on several occasions. Threads that would rival those of which you speak of here. Just a shame that the files were either not fully backed up or had corrupt data. But such is life.
People with your attitude & arrogance are not welcome here.
This is *NOT* Chrono Shock - it will never be.
So go back to the place you crawled from.
May this place remain free of evil dictators (so called "moderator") such as yourself.
Long live 'Chrono Compendium' !
As for CS, I can't say I'm sorry.....
"I am summoned by the will to vanquish evil...
Goddess of the Moon, lend me your power...
Scourge the insolent evil from this world..."
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Doesn't Ramsus sorta moderate? I mean, mostly we just have good taste and common decency...But...w/e...
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I didn't mean moderators in general.
I just ment her.
She's a moderator at Chrono Shock and she thinks that it gives her the privellge to be mean to other people.
I didn't notice such things at Chrono Compendium and I don't want her to poison this community.
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I guess I don't fuck around too much in Chrono Shock...
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I don't know exactly where I was being mean to anyone in particular, or even really in general. And I certainly don't think being a mod gives me any privelleges except those inherent in the position, like... ya know... closing threads at CS. I apologize if by posting in one thread trying to defend my site while trying to maybe calm down this little "feud" that I was poisoning your site. I'm sorry I intruded upon your little community.
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yep i definatly have to make that compendium Vs shock game hehehehe :twisted: when i get Chrono tactics done ill have signups
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I don't know exactly where I was being mean to anyone in particular, or even really in general. And I certainly don't think being a mod gives me any privelleges except those inherent in the position, like... ya know... closing threads at CS. I apologize if by posting in one thread trying to defend my site while trying to maybe calm down this little "feud" that I was poisoning your site. I'm sorry I intruded upon your little community.
I think some of us here just misunderstood what you said in your posts. No need to be sorry Wisp.
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I don't know exactly where I was being mean to anyone in particular, or even really in general. And I certainly don't think being a mod gives me any privelleges except those inherent in the position, like... ya know... closing threads at CS. I apologize if by posting in one thread trying to defend my site while trying to maybe calm down this little "feud" that I was poisoning your site. I'm sorry I intruded upon your little community.
I think some of us here just misunderstood what you said in your posts. No need to be sorry Wisp.
Likewise. I was defending myself against a certain comment on Chrono Shock, and maintaining that my prior thesis regarding the efforts of the Compendium as opposed to CS was valid. But I was certainly not wishing a vicious feud - my view of it was more of a competition, of sorts - and neither did I think that any of your comments warranted any form of rebuke: you yourself were about as reasonable as may be expected. I think that Radical Dreamer was a little too harsh in reply, and like I Chrono'99 said, no need to be sorry. Contrary to how it may appear, I actually have nothing against CS as a site, save in its rivalry with the Compedium, for which I must support the latter (as you, I am certain, must do the same to the former.)
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Still, in the interest of the unity of your community I will respectfully leave. It was not my intention to make any of your members uncomfortable and I don't want my presence to become a disruption.
Though I do not presume to speak on behalf of everyone at CS, know that at least I would welcome you there should you feel the need, however brief, to venture there. Though I do admit this possibility seems unlikely. ;)
As I said before, good luck with your site. :)
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Rivalries are so much fun, aren't they?
Since you asked, I just answered. :)
Questions and answers are so much fun, aren't they? Let's play again! :D
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I don't know exactly where I was being mean to anyone in particular, or even really in general. And I certainly don't think being a mod gives me any privelleges except those inherent in the position, like... ya know... closing threads at CS.
Even some other mods at CS think you're mean.
So whatever.....
You might not know who I am, but I *know* how you act.
I'm sorry I intruded upon your little community.
Smaller than CS? - maybe.
But it's the quality of people that counts.
Still, in the interest of the unity of your community I will respectfully leave. It was not my intention to make any of your members uncomfortable and I don't want my presence to become a disruption.
Bon Voyage......
As for the rest, do not be fooled by her kind words and that "cute" avatar of hers.
She's arrogant and mean as it gets.
Personally, I like Chrono Compendium way better than CS.
IMHO, I think it has a much brigther future than CS.
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Yeah, but your avatar looks like Kid.
...as for that CC vs CS game, I want a lightsaber.
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Oh, and whiles we're taking orders, I will have a hand-and-a-half sword, with a side order of Hellenic armour, if you please.
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Ybrik, who is now not dead, apparently, Ramsus, ZeaLity, and I moderate the forums, as well as the moderators. I'm not sure who they all are, but the 4 of us founded the site, so we moderate the forums. Luckily, that hasn't been a big job, since people tend to not be assess on this forum. I think I've deleted more threads/posts because they became redundant than because someone posted something stupid, illegal or inflamatory.
*These threads were fan-fic related, and became unneccisary.
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...as for that CC vs CS game, I want a lightsaber.
lol itl be iwhile until i get that done as i will try to hack ff tactics
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And what about mine?
Oh, and whiles we're taking orders, I will have a hand-and-a-half sword, with a side order of Hellenic armour, if you please.
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I think it is pretty obvious what I want to have.
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Reports of my undeath are greatly exaggerated.
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And what about mine?
Oh, and whiles we're taking orders, I will have a hand-and-a-half sword, with a side order of Hellenic armour, if you please.
just wait a minute ill do a thread in kajar
I think it is pretty obvious what I want to have.
really? i will be doing customs sprites as well so you have to specify alot
exampe in the quote above the last one "Hellenic armour" um.. WTF dont be expect me to know what some old as armours/wepons/etc are
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Like I said in the other thread, make me a similar to Crono as possible. I have no knowledge of the games items and what not, so picking would really be pointless for me since I don't know what they bring to the table.
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This is nonsense. The Compendium isn't some special community that makes its members better than those outside of it. Comparing it with other sites and forums is a waste of time. If this sort of thing gets any worse, I might have to start banning people.
The Compendium is a place to discuss and find meaning behind the games, and provide an archive of what people discover. It's also a hub for keeping up to date with news and fan projects related to the games.
*That large number of guests usually indicates that a search engine, in this case google more than likely, was cacheing the pages. Though in the first days of CS over 4 years ago having 50-60 real people on at any given time was not unusal.
*The reason for no site content lies in a combination of both bad hosting in the past where content was lost and the fact that we have lives.
*There is less discussion on CS for the main reason, as briefly mentioned before, is that the site is four years old. And it was a fusion of a CT and CC site that had a year or so run before that. So after 5 years or so, give or take, you run out of things to analyze and discuss. Been there done that.
*Not to knock your site or anything, because granted I've never really looked at it, but you're not the only ones to feature unique content. You just happen to have webmasters and staffers that have time to work on it. Whereas many of our staffers such as myself, are in college full time and/or have jobs. College > fansite in my opinion.
*At this point I'm not really sure what led me to post any of this. Maybe it was the nasty tones on both sides. The way I see it there aren't many CT/CC sites as it is so theres no reason to be snarky to each other. Especially when mentioning the intelligence level of posts and debates. I only wish the forums hadn't crashed a year or so ago.
At any rate, good luck with your site. :)
It's not hard to put aside a few hours a week to write or organize content. Zeality occasionally puts in several hours a week, but he has no trouble balancing that with college and friends.
The difference is that we have staff and members that enjoy working on content for the site.
Granted, I barely do anything with the site except maybe two or three times a year (new layout, some backend development, technology integration), but that's not so much college, friends, campus organizations, or work as much as me simply having about a million other projects I'm always working on that I really enjoy. The Compendium will benefit from some of the more technical and commercial ones though.
Also, the Compendium has crashed numerous times, moved from server to server, and completely changed forums and content backends three or four times. If I didn't backup the site once every month or two, there wouldn't be a Compendium. It only takes five minutes out of my day.
See, here we also consider the forums to be important content (if not some of the most), which is why they've always been open to anyone, and we've always tried to preserve even the earliest discussions and present their content to visitors.
Discussions and content that can't be accessed are of little value.
I don't know exactly where I was being mean to anyone in particular, or even really in general. And I certainly don't think being a mod gives me any privelleges except those inherent in the position, like... ya know... closing threads at CS. I apologize if by posting in one thread trying to defend my site while trying to maybe calm down this little "feud" that I was poisoning your site. I'm sorry I intruded upon your little community.
So you came and went just to play sides in a stupid "feud" between forums? Between that and the horribly insincere and downright condescending tone in your posts, you've contributed nothing to either community by posting here.
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Luckily, that [moderating the Compendium forums] hasn't been a big job, since people tend to not be assess on this forum.
Except for a few posts in this thread, I would heartily agree with you. I imagine the same can be said for the Chrono Shock forums.
I would just like to point out that so far in this thread we've:
1) Started a neverending and pointless feud between two of the few remaining Chrono websites,
2) Driven away a fellow Chrono fanatic, and
3) Pissed a lot of people off
To me, this does not fit with the goals of either the Compendium or Chrono Shock.
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Drove away Wisp? Nah, I don't think so. I apologised if there was anything negative said in my post, and merely attempted to defend a logical assertion. Moreover, I really do not think that Wisp left on bad terms: Radical Dreamer seems to be the only one holding a grudge in that respect, and it appears that they are from the CS forums in origin, so it carries from there. Personally, though, it seemed to me as though Wisp came to defend her forums (her? I thought I read that somewhere, but I can't be sure. Apologies if I'm wrong.) That done, she left. Perfectly reasonable.
Furthermore, I apologise for what my comments earlier in the thread may have begun. They were meant chiefly as support for ZeaLitY - as it seemd that he was a little unnerved over the chance that the Compendium was not unique, as I think he intends it to be - but not to enflame anything between forums. I rather meant only to say that, from what I superficially judged, there was nothing akin to the forums and threads on specific issues such as we have here, but perhaps used the wrong words. Sufficed to say, I actually have nothing against their forums at all, and the term rivalry was used half in jest (though it seems to have been misconstrued), and half from the impression that CS was the nearest thing existing to the Compendium in volume of information, thus making it a rival to some extent, at least in so far as being the ultimate repository of Chrono knowledge on the net.
Oh, and I just went over to the CS forums and apologised for any offence they may have taken to what I said, in an effort to repair any damaged relations.
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I'm sorry I intruded upon your little community.
Am I the *only* one who noticed her sarcasm and arrogance?
Personally, I shall not miss her.
Everyone here seems to be nice and we're all getting along pretty well.
So I rather it stay that way than having people like her around.
And anyway, I don't know if she was here to "defend CS" or just advertise it and bash Chrono Compendium because it's "smaller" than CS (according to her).
As for CS, sadly, people like her (Wisp) and Magus (another mod. at CS) makes CS very unpleasent. So I'm not attacking CS as a community, but just the mods who act like a$$#$3s.
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So attack their mods there. We don't want a harsh relation ships with another site because you have something agianst their mods.
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She's the one who came here....
CS is defintly out of my territory.
Anyway, she left - end of story on my side.
Anyway, I think we should drop this.
No point in discussing this anymore.
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She's the one who came here....
CS is defintly out of my territory.
Anyway, she left - end of story on my side.
Anyway, I think we should drop this.
No point in discussing this anymore.
this thread did start with somthing completely different anyway it just... evolved it to that disscusion but it should be dropped and personally i have nothing against CS of thier moderators or admins
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Well, I personally don't want to ever have to moderate something. Awhile ago I realized that I truly was in charge of this site, and that I have the power to maintain enlightened policies. Locking a thread, even if it is completely irrelevant or disproven, is still sort of overbearing, entrenched in that vein that other sites uphold (if you've ever posted in a thread a few months old in any other forum (not just talking about Chrono) and have been flamed for bringing up dead topics, this is what I mean). The Compendium's truly unique because we started with absolutely nothing but four or five musketeers (Ybrik, me, JustinS1985, Ramsus, Radical_Dreamer, Aitrus, others) on a gaming forum and decided that the Chrono series had way too much depth to just be coincidence, and sought to archive our discussion. Since we started writing new content and building things without simply hoarding other data, the site was given a chance to develop its own face, taste, and feel. Chronoshock definitely had such a feel of its own, as does Chronicles and others (as opposed to fanpages that simply post data or pictures).
It was only later that I realized the Compendium was such an interesting institution and that there was so much material and depth to cover that I threw out the idea of being the "best at everything," or at least maintaining a complete database of information and all the analysis we could get. While I would have never tried something like that on my own, since 2003 we've been developing a steady community of regulars and users who have tirelessly discussed things to death (tirelessly; five of the articles we have up right now need to be revised due to new analysis, even!). An incredible task, yes, the encyclopedia is in fact not that daunting and analysis, as I said before, is supported by the many cherished people here. As we've finally got the foundation in place, even though it is not complete, we've been able to expand even more in the direction of maintaining this site as a vessel for Chrono series fandom and a complete resource (my ambitious exclamations aside). Features, an upcoming column, fanfiction -- they're all planned to be here, and we're sitting on a goldmine of potential.
But as several have noticed, starting out from scratch also ensured I had a total underdog attitude. Back then, we had our neat analysis and little else, and I was determined to use that analysis to make us distinct. I honestly was disgusted with Letrimh's website, because it already presented analysis and discussion with no other content (the original Compendium idea). And Chronoshock -- I really disliked it, simply because it had a flashy layout and organized CT content; when version 2 debuted, I honestly thought the game was somewhat lost for awhile. But these things have all passed. I've got my ambitions for the Compendium, and that is enough. Ramsus has given us a killer aesthetic and maintenance that can only be dreamt of by some, and the site has achieved an excellent level of organization. The time has come to make affiliates; if they do not wish to link, their loss, but we shall press ahead and be fine with everyone else. I still have that attitude of "whoa, they have....this amazing, unique content. How can we counter this with our own original material?", but now that the site is fully organized and is growing by the minute (man, a bunch of people registered while I was away), things can be dealt with professionally, collectively, and coolly. The dream stands; anyone who thinks otherwise can check the Long-Term Goals thread in the Chrono Compendium Discussion forum. This website aims to be it concerning the Chrono series, and to other site maintainers who seek the same goal, game on! And be warned, the Compendium carries a certain unquenchable zeal about its work...
And lastly, thank you Daniel for the observation about the discussion. I do want to keep every thread and subject open forever, for anyone to make a claim in. Only when discussion degenerates to personal attacks and belittling of intelligence will intervention be undertaken, and as can be observed, that's hardly ever happened. We have had huge clashes and debates, and more to come (looking at your comprehensive Space-Time theory, Josh), but as long as we can maintain that level of intelligence and well manners, the sky is the limit. No article is set in stone, and neither is any Encyclopedia entry. The links page awaits entrants and fan pages for mutual support in this quest to be. And obsessive? A hobby's a hobby!
Now, in the words of that OCR dude that Ybrik and I remember fondly:
join me my chrono brohters