Chrono Compendium
Bend of Time - Inactive Projects => Darkness Beyond Time - Dead Project Discussion => Fan Project News/Updates => Topic started by: ZeaLitY on March 13, 2009, 11:29:44 pm
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Chrono Crisis's rocky development has finally necessitated a mutiny and reorganization. As of tonight, Chains of Fate is now the sole member of and contributor to Chrono Crisis. He will retain what he's done on the project. The entire team (Lena, Xenith, Chum, Roe, Ghost, D-ko, Val, and others) have departed with 95% of the game's existing assets and plans, which they will continue to develop as Chrono Ark (http://kagerostudios.b1.jcink.com). I would like to extend, on behalf of the Chrono Compendium (...hahaha) a warm congratulations in regard to their their newfound freedom and some hearty encouragement. The Chrono Ark team is hoping to get something out by the end of the year.
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... hurray?
I don't really follow Chrono Crisis as much as I should, but go Chrono Ark! Now, will CA be a completely different project from Chains' game working off of the same material, or will they just go in a completely different direction?
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... hurray?
I don't really follow Chrono Crisis as much as I should, but go Chrono Ark! Now, will CA be a completely different project from Chains' game working off of the same material, or will they just go in a completely different direction?
Just 95% of the same material. Maybe there will be some name changes.
By the way, don't dare criticize Chains for committing all the atrocities revealed in the mass e-mail sent out by Ghost, or all the people he hindered and abused over the last year will say you're being mean.
I swear, the Crisis / Ark forum denizens are some of the most emotionally and egotistically fragile people I know.
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Wouldn't dream of it. People in domestic abuse cases act similarly; even though the person did horrible horrible things to the partner, they will never say anything mean about them because they still love him/her.
Sounds awesome. I cannot wait for it all to be done!
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Chains is a jackass for what he did. It's true. So I don't understand why people are sticking up for him, just check the bloody email.
To be honest, the leadership/management provided by Chains of Fate has not been anywhere near “fair” or “reasonable.” In fact, Chains has often been lax in providing updates, initially undesiring in allowing inter-team chatting unless Chains himself was part of it. In short, he is a control freak, trying to manage every part of the project, which has previously left a lack of serious miscommunication among team members.
I mean, christ. The guy is just... what.
BUT ANYWAY FUCK THAT GUY
Chrono Ark is a glorious hope for the team's future.
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Looking forward to Chrono Ark!
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Well, I don't even know Chains or have seen his management skills, so I'll just hope Crisis doesn't get stuck in place forever, like I do with almost every other Chrono fan game.
Oh well then, all new Chrono Ark demo coming by the begginning of next year. It really really doesn't look like a normal Friday 13. So many nice things showing up today.
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Huh. Who knew...!
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Edit: I know they have seen the guy as a friend and I understand they kinda don't want him to be badmouthed, but...
I'm sorry. There is a line that needs to be drawn somewhere. If this has gone on for as long as it has, I'm very surprised they didn't do this sooner.
God/Althena/Entity/etc. bless them, they must have the patience of saints to have put up with it for so long.
I wish them the best of luck.
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Yeah, all the people saying "CRISIS IS BEING WORKED ON YOU IDIOT, STFU AND LET THEM WORK, IT'S DONE WHEN IT'S DONE" were sort of wrong.
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...whoa. Had to absorb this news for a bit. I'm actually really interested, as a practical matter, in dissecting what went wrong with the project's internal structure. In what way was communication among members stymied? Was there not a private forum? Would IM sessions have solved the problem? I read Ghost's email but I'm still unclear what lessons can and should be drawn from it.
Also, given the divorce analogy applicable here, well...was the house split in half? Seems like Chains may have more material than we initially thought.
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Isn't this the second time the project has been split? I seem to remember reading that CT: Day of Thantos was split from an early version of Crisis or something.
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I am not surprised. What I am surprised is how long it took for this to happen.
All the people were like. "Don't question our authority and STFU" You basically couldn't have a decent discussion of the Crisis project without that. Mostly it's just threads with people's wishlists.
Everyone was over emotional and even defended spammers if you were a newbie.
I am glad I never joined. :picardno
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Someone named HolyPalatin is upset about the situation not being updated here.
Basically, Chains of Fate worked hard (not lazy), but wasn't able to keep in contact, and the email was written in the heat of the moment.
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All right, after reading both sides of the story, I may have been a little harder on Chains than I should have. (Sorry, Pyt.) I edited my previous post to reflect that.
Still doesn't excuse some of the things he did, but looking back, I was kinda like him at one point. In a few ways, maybe I still am.
I know damn well I would never be able to be a leader, so I don't really have a right to judge... :picardno
Again, I wish them all the best of luck.
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Someone named HolyPalatin is upset about the situation not being updated here.
Basically, Chains of Fate worked hard (not lazy), but wasn't able to keep in contact, and the email was written in the heat of the moment.
That's not the story I got long before this happened.
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Are we gossiping? ooo give the dish.... I wasn't important enough to get the e-mail.
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Everyone can see the email publicly on the Chrono Crisis Forums, under "General Discussion" if I remember correctly.
I can't comment on what did or didn't happen throughout Crisis' development cycle up to this point, but from what I can tell right now it seems that the Chrono Ark team has been extremely generous with resources, contacts, etc., that will help Chains. Doesn't mean Crisis will get finished any time soon, but it may result in a weird situation in which both Ark and Crisis have wildly different storylines but use a lot of the same resources. It seems there is no ill will between Chains and the rest of the Crisis team, it's just that Chains is restricted to a schedule fraught with starts and stops, whereas the other members felt held back by that and thus needed to split off and follow a much different project development style. This is my current understanding based on publicly known info.
I'm curious at this point as to whether Ark and Crisis will have some kind of sequel/prequel connection to one another. That possibility occurred to me when I read the plot synopsis of Chrono Ark, which seems to describe Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross, something that's "5 minutes to midnight," and something else that's "1 minute to midnight." Maybe I'm just imagining this?
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Someone named HolyPalatin is upset about the situation not being updated here.
Basically, Chains of Fate worked hard (not lazy), but wasn't able to keep in contact, and the email was written in the heat of the moment.
That's not the story I got long before this happened.
Oh, is someone referring to me? :o
To clarify, I wasn't upset about the lack of updates over here, rather I was just doing my part as a fellow Chrono Community member to keep this unfortunate turn of events from being blown out of proportion.
ZeaLitY, I think it might be best for you to get in contact with Chains and his old crew as to prevent this situation from getting out of hand.
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I reported on it exactly as it happened. Chrono Crisis team members told me a month ago exactly what Ghost wrote in his mass e-mail; Chains was stifling progress, and the developers were sick of it. They felt he was killing the project and driving the team frustratedly away. The tenor of the story has changed only because they've struck some kind of agreement with Chains, and now want to retract their criticisms to be amicable.
If they wanted me to be party to that and pretend everything was happiness and sunshine, they should have told me.
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Well, however it's gone down, it's over now. What we have are two separate projects. The Ark team's been communicating great, and all of that past frustration is totally out the window now.
I do wish I'd let more people know that it we were going to have the sit down with Chains, but I guess it all happened sort of fast. We decided to do it late Thursday night, and Ghost and I jumped into it pretty quickly. When Chains got mad at us, we were afraid we'd both be banned from the Crisis forums, and thus came the idea for the mass email. So Ghost sent it while he had the chance to, but the banning never came, and we were able to come to a mutual agreement. We were frustrated with him, yes, but we're past it now. We talked it out, figured out our differences, and walked away. We are letting him use everything we made for him as team members, since that's fair.
Really though, I'd like to just get past this unpleasantness and get down to making games, because that's what this whole thing was about in the first place.
Anyway, Chrono Ark has updated tonight (a new demo video). The demo has some of the old stuff that was shown (Item menu, tech menu, ect), but it shows a bit better how these things are implemented. It also has a VERY early demo of the battle system, with the ATB working. The battle's are definitely not pretty yet, but don't worry--that'll come with time. Oh, and there's a status menu in there too. Like I said, it's still pretty rough, but we're getting there on the basics.
Also note: We haven't had time to alter the graphics to reflect the character and name changes, so you're going to see some familiar faces from Crisis. This should be changed in the next video.
This demo brought to you by Ghost:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3YuYBdUq5s
And here's a download link to get a higher quality version... We really need to get some server space to upload this stuff.
http://rapidshare.com/files/209374763/ArkDemo001.wmv
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I continue to wish you all well. Hopefully you and your team can turn this upheaval to your advantage and get some good work done.
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now they can actually make the game. instead of talking about making the game. we hope.
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What a sensationalist story. Kind of reminds me of when XFree86 was forked into X.org due to licensing and management issues.
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I'm curious at this point as to whether Ark and Crisis will have some kind of sequel/prequel connection to one another. That possibility occurred to me when I read the plot synopsis of Chrono Ark, which seems to describe Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross, something that's "5 minutes to midnight," and something else that's "1 minute to midnight." Maybe I'm just imagining this?
That synopsis was written for Chrono Crisis well before Chrono Ark came into being. From what I can tell, it seems like Ark will be to Crisis what CC is to RD.
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Actually, that's a really good take on it, Chrono99. I hadn't thought of that. Same main characters (sorta), different character designs, part of the game is sort of the same, but then they branch of in wildly different paths.
Although, I'll warn everyone (including our forumers too), we've been playing with the story, and it might end up being wildly different anyway. Got some really neat stuff cooking that I think everyone will like. However, the synopsis still works for it. I always liked my Doomsday clock stuff anyway.
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I had given up on Crisis long ago. Every time I asked for the slightest update (which there hasn't been since almost a year), the people over there would tell me off and say "Just wait, it'll come when it comes." Yeah right, that works for a month, but after that that excuse becomes void. I don't have the slightest confidence that Crisis will ever be finished, and I only feel sorry for the people who have wasted years of their life working on it.
I'm glad some of them are trying something new though.
As for Chains; I don't know the guy, or his situation. I only read about it, I can't judge him. But he should have been fair with us far earlier, and just told us straight out that Crisis wouldn't see completion.
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As for Chains; I don't know the guy, or his situation. I only read about it, I can't judge him. But he should have been fair with us far earlier, and just told us straight out that Crisis wouldn't see completion.
He plans to continue Crisis, so don't go judging him like that.
Speaking of judging, I love how all of the sudden everyone on that forum snaps at Zeality, and then wonder why they don't get a good reception.
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As for Chains; I don't know the guy, or his situation. I only read about it, I can't judge him. But he should have been fair with us far earlier, and just told us straight out that Crisis wouldn't see completion.
He plans to continue Crisis, so don't go judging him like that.
Speaking of judging, I love how all of the sudden everyone on that forum snaps at Zeality, and then wonder why they don't get a good reception.
That's as much worth as him planning to become the president of the United States. He hasn't gotten a lot of progress with the team for years, and he's the reason the team abandoned him. What can he possibly do alone, or maybe with someone else with him. Really, it's done now. People will keep saying "Crisis isn't dead", but that's just ignorant. It's time to be realistic.
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Why bother continuing if Ark and Crisis are going to be similar anyway? Just go on to something else.
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The thing is, half of the people don't even know the back story. I was going to post it but Chains told me not to as he'll stick up for himself. There's a lot more then what you guys may think there is so don't judge about how updates weren't released. He's got a lot more on his plate then you would think.
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My comment on the situation is that I refused to continue composing for a project I had nearly no updates on, and all the work I saw was coming from the other team members who I get on very well with. Also I lost passion and had no go in me to continue it. How can you put that together when the main guy isn't communicating or showing anything? I've been with the project for years, and I can count the in depth conversations I had with Chains with my hands pretty much. I have no grudges, I just want results. I'm happy with all the work I've done so far and good luck to Chains in how he uses and completes it.
Now, Chrono Ark. Communication is great, we work hard, we have great ideas and motivation. It's true I made 97 complete songs for Crisis, and others I did not want included. I'm going to use some of that for Ark but will reproduce and change that for better quality and to fit with the game. To me this is a fresh project though and I am going to compose new music and themes. I'm hoping that Ark will have a 50% new soundtrack, with the other 50% slightly different and better quality to Crisis. Though if you ask me we'll see Ark out years before Crisis haha, so it won't sound bad at all.
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Welcome to the Compendium, RoeTaKa!
Good to hear some more input on the whole "Chrono Crisis" crisis. Bad joke, I know...
Anywho, I've heard your stuff over on the Crisis website, and I gotta admit, it sounds pretty durn bangarang.
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I haven't been keeping up on this as I should have.
It seems that the cliche of there is two sides to every story is true here.
I wonder what will come out of this. I would like to hear what Chains has to say Justin, but since he doesn't want you to post it.
As I have followed the project when I was younger from it's humble beginnings I must say I drifted away from it, because it wasn't that true CT sequel I was hoping for rather just a completely new story. But CT:CE reprised that for me.
Anyway, I am now waiting to see what Chrono Ark has to offer and I am wondering what Chains will do with Chrono Crisis.
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I have two things to say...
1.) ARK? what the hell? like the idea, but the name has got to go baby...
(don't take #1 to heart)
2.) Crisis was never alive, it has, and will always be a dead project.
I mean that whole "It will be done when it's done" shit was unfair to nerds like me.
(so with that in mind, can't we drop the whole ark thing a just steal Crisis?)
I love the way it rolls off the tongue... Chrono... Crisis
any who, enough about a project that never delivered
Crimson Echoes WILL PWN ALL!
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The concept of Ark/Crisis has always interested me. What I'm guessing is the 'It'll be done when it's done' attitude is mostly because of the management of Chains. I dunno, I'm not into video game politics, but that's a guess.
As for the name Chrono Ark, it rolls of my tongue quite easily. It actually makes more sense than Chrono Crisis. For one, it can be abbreviated to CA, while CC for Chrono Crisis is taken. Another thing is that in all the Chrono games, the title of the game is an object in the game. The Chrono Trigger of CT is the time egg. The Chrono Cross saves Schala in CC. I don't know what a Chrono Crisis would be. A Chrono Ark, though, could be an epic time ship needed to save the 9th dimension or something like that.
And for the project never being delivered... they've promised something by the end of the year. That's something. Think about this, though.
Squenix could find us and shut down CE before it comes out.
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I'm not a fan of where Chrono Ark is going. Some of the character names are still unfinalized, but they're throwing in some random Japanese names into the characters which really just ruins it a bit right there.
Either way, I'm looking more forward to Crisis then Ark and always will.
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The problem is most people involved in the fangames are hardcore anime fans and thrive off Japanese culture...
People like me, who like anime alright but are really just not that into it, sort of disregard and grunt and all the attempts to "Japanify" things. Japanese names included.
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The problem is most people involved in the fangames are hardcore anime fans and thrive off Japanese culture...
People like me, who like anime alright but are really just not that into it, sort of disregard and grunt and all the attempts to "Japanify" things. Japanese names included.
Agreed. Japanese culture and anime are cool and all, but they don't really fit this game's style. Yes, it was originally Japanese. Yes, the concept art is an anime style. BUT, even in the original Japanese version, the names and themes were not traditional Japanese (maybe except for Maoh).
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I'm not a fan of where Chrono Ark is going. Some of the character names are still unfinalized, but they're throwing in some random Japanese names into the characters which really just ruins it a bit right there.
And which names are Japanese? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I don't seem to recall any.
Arc: English
Maia: Latin
Naomi: Hebrew
Artemis: Greek
Aurora: Greek
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It was from ages ago when it was first shown. But if I recall correctly, one of the characters had a really strange Japanese name which probably changed.
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Hmmm... The character names were pretty much the same as they've always been. The only difference is that we dropped last names, but I believe the only one released was Arc's.
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It was from ages ago when it was first shown. But if I recall correctly, one of the characters had a really strange Japanese name which probably changed.
Kagero?
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Can't remember anymore.
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Kagero's been around since Crisis. :3 Really, I think his is the only Japanese-ish name related to us. (we named our studio after him)
Anyway, we should have another update soon. Things are moving along pretty fast (and will probably REALLY speed up during the summer. I'm excited! :3)
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Isn't Kagero more of a female name?
I'm glad to hear things are going well for a change. I hope we will see the results soon. Been waiting since last year for those.
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Kagero's been around since Crisis. :3 Really, I think his is the only Japanese-ish name related to us. (we named our studio after him)
So you guys are keeping a Crisis character, specifically the only one with a japanese name?
Hmm. It doesn't seem like a lot whenyou say it's one character, but that's one sixth of the names we've been exposed to, plus it's the name of the studio so it's probably the least likely to change. It still seems pretty Japanese.