Chrono Compendium
News and Updates => Site Updates => Topic started by: ZeaLitY on July 11, 2008, 01:55:19 am
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Firstly, the English DS trailer is out, but it's basically nothing you haven't seen before; find it here (http://na.square-enix.com/ctds/). Secondly, as reported by Shinrin, this editorial (http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3168636) by 1UP mentions and links to us. Unfortunately, like so many shortsighted people before, they saw the Retranslation and didn't bother reading the ENTIRE PARAGRAPH THAT PRAISES TED WOOLSEY FOR A JOB WELL DONE. Honestly, is RPGOne's reputation for hating the FF6 translation so bad that the stigma extends to all retranslations? Do I need to enlarge the font of that paragraph or repeat it 4 more times on the Retranslation page?
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Thanks 1UP for insulting us.
I haven't liked the direction EGM was going in anyway.
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Seriously, what a bunch of douchebags... They have the impudence to call the Compendium a "certain flavor of fanboy" for actually taking the time to do a retranslation and enjoying it for what it is; and one that was never really supposed to replace the original, at any rate.
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Clearly it's just poor reporting; they didn't bother to do their research.
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I am proud to be among those fanboys with "a certain flavor."
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I am proud to be among those fanboys with "a certain flavor."
Yeah, I suppose you're right... :lol:
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I know it's probably a little bitchy to do to so, but you could always complain. You could probably do so on the ground of mis-repersentation. Though they could just say the author was "stating opinon not fact" and BS their way out, but i say its at least worth a try I say.
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Ooo, you should listen to what this guy says around 2:20
http://youtube.com/watch?v=S-8isX9VKWo
What an asshole...
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I prefer not even comment that shit what 1UP told about us... They make laught! How can they be so... Ops, I told I don't will say anything XD
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I registered and left a comment on the 1UP CT page.
"Despite what a certain flavor of fanboy may claim, Trigger was one of the most effectively translated Japanese games of the 16-bit era."
You misinterpreted this. The Compendium does not have any sort of 'fanboy' grudge against Ted Woolsey's translation, and the Retranslation project was not done in spite of him. The project was done out of interest and to allow players to experience the original version of the script which contains some differences. The staff have praised Woolsey for his work, and has never shunned it.
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Eh, a little immature, but I posted a somewhat worded beating on his video. That really pisses me off when morons like that just post crap that they don't know anything about ~_~.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE6Yg8lBXYA - Talk about broken English...They have troubles even speaking the right words.
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Why can't we all just get along? :'(
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It's fine. It's being settled in peaceful matters now. But apparently everyone on the Compendium is a "troll" O_o..
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Response on 1up.com to Pyt Fumv
They actually want to change Frog's name to "Kaeru". Why? Kaeru means "frog". It's like their going backwards.
Another misconception. So many people fail to notice that "Frog" was used in the retranslation.
Though, since he says "the new translation 'fans' are making", he could be referring to a different translation. But he might be confused on that too.
Edit-I don't know if it was actually a response to Pyt or not, but the misconception that fantranslations want "Kaeru" bugged me.
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Also, for the new translation that "fans" are making for Chrono Trigger. This is a horrible mistake. These so called "fans" want to change CT into some kind of anime fansub, adding crap like "chan", "san", and "kun" after every friggin name. This is an english translation, not Japanglish.
They actually want to change Frog's name to "Kaeru". Why? Kaeru means "frog". It's like their going backwards.
Yeah, I read that and thought to myself, "wtf is this d-bag talking about? there are ALREADY TWO fan-made retranslations out and neither calls Frog Kaeru...>_>
And besides, Kaeru means "Frog" AND "Change"...what English word does this guy suggest using that covers both translations for the word?
I also thought that link they put up in that 1UP article didn't make any sense...I mean, it just linked to the "About the Retranslation" page...? That doesn't even really help to imply anything.
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Stupidity works in mysterious ways. That MagusDX person created an entire series of Youtube videos criticizing the Retranslation.
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NVM....
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Stupidity works in mysterious ways. That MagusDX person created an entire series of Youtube videos providing free advertising for the Retranslation (and Compendium), despite his misunderstanding of why someone would want a non-naturalized translation.
Fixed.
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Honestly, they could keep the same old translation as long as they fix stuff that's blatant errors and censorships (Schala being a step-sister, Lucca and Marle talking when the other should, soda and lemonade are booze, etc.)
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Uh, but the old translation left a lot out as even Ted has admitted...why continue to withhold the creator's originally intended work further? If the oldschool fans (who are the only ones that would complain) still want the old version, then there are still two old versions of said script available (not to mention they've obviously already played the old version, so why bother?)...Let's not let nostalgia rule over accuracy.
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Ugh. That MagusX guy on youtube is just really starting to piss me off. You make one counter argument and he makes some sort of immature unrelated insult and calls you "A Stupid Troll". He's getting a fucking video response. You'll see.
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Bah, I made one comment that wasn't even a flame (I told him that if he understood the structure of the Japanese language the retranslation would make more sense). Then I said his rants made him sound like a "fanboy", but when it comes down to Chrono Trigger, "don't we all?"
He left a nasty response on the video, then another on my homepage.
Then, he blocked me.
Dick.
He just knows I could put him in his place.
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Can someone post this on his video?
Hey Magus! Nice video you've got there! But hey man, when you sit there and insult a group of people who have not gotten a new game since 2000 (I don't count the failure that is Chronicles), what do you expect? With nothing much to do you start to do strange things, like retranslate the game. And of course, something that took them a long ass time is going to hold a special place in their hearts. And when they see and hear someone bash their creation, there is going to be anger. So maybe if you refrain from making anymore comments towards them, we wont have anymore crap like this.
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Consider it done, nightmare. I'm on it.
EDIT: Sory, Nightmare, it was too big to post on his video. I sent it to him as a message on an alt account instead.
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While the retranslation is nice, It did leave in a lot of stuff that like -sama and stuff in the game. Most translations you see, like FFV FFIV SNES and FFVI don't use this and other translations don't use them. Also, when reading the script, I could even tell that the script needs polishing. It needed editing in a way that would be more understandable.
Well, you got one thing working against you here for the translation, People are really used to the original translation, that they feel like if you retranslate a game, it'll ruin the game. RPGone's FF6 retranslation got this crap when it released it.
My suggestion would be to Take out all the sama stuff and polish the translation. (I've tried the retranslation, and got fustrated with it, cause some of the stuff I couldn't understand.)
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I believe you're the kind of person that the OTHER retranslation was created for, yes? Maybe you should try that one.
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A clearer portrayal of Chrono Trigger as intended by its Japanese creators is now available. It is not the opinion of this project that Ted Woolsey's official translation was bad or insufficient in any way -- only that some essence of the game was lost or altered, given Nintendo of America's censorship standards and the inability of the game to hold all the original text when translated to English.
A clearer portrayal of Chrono Trigger as intended by its Japanese creators is now available. It is not the opinion of this project that Ted Woolsey's official translation was bad or insufficient in any way -- only that some essence of the game was lost or altered, given Nintendo of America's censorship standards and the inability of the game to hold all the original text when translated to English.
A clearer portrayal of Chrono Trigger as intended by its Japanese creators is now available. It is not the opinion of this project that Ted Woolsey's official translation was bad or insufficient in any way -- only that some essence of the game was lost or altered, given Nintendo of America's censorship standards and the inability of the game to hold all the original text when translated to English.
A clearer portrayal of Chrono Trigger as intended by its Japanese creators is now available. It is not the opinion of this project that Ted Woolsey's official translation was bad or insufficient in any way -- only that some essence of the game was lost or altered, given Nintendo of America's censorship standards and the inability of the game to hold all the original text when translated to English.
A clearer portrayal of Chrono Trigger as intended by its Japanese creators is now available. It is not the opinion of this project that Ted Woolsey's official translation was bad or insufficient in any way -- only that some essence of the game was lost or altered, given Nintendo of America's censorship standards and the inability of the game to hold all the original text when translated to English.
A clearer portrayal of Chrono Trigger as intended by its Japanese creators is now available. It is not the opinion of this project that Ted Woolsey's official translation was bad or insufficient in any way -- only that some essence of the game was lost or altered, given Nintendo of America's censorship standards and the inability of the game to hold all the original text when translated to English.
A clearer portrayal of Chrono Trigger as intended by its Japanese creators is now available. It is not the opinion of this project that Ted Woolsey's official translation was bad or insufficient in any way -- only that some essence of the game was lost or altered, given Nintendo of America's censorship standards and the inability of the game to hold all the original text when translated to English.
A clearer portrayal of Chrono Trigger as intended by its Japanese creators is now available. It is not the opinion of this project that Ted Woolsey's official translation was bad or insufficient in any way -- only that some essence of the game was lost or altered, given Nintendo of America's censorship standards and the inability of the game to hold all the original text when translated to English.
A clearer portrayal of Chrono Trigger as intended by its Japanese creators is now available. It is not the opinion of this project that Ted Woolsey's official translation was bad or insufficient in any way -- only that some essence of the game was lost or altered, given Nintendo of America's censorship standards and the inability of the game to hold all the original text when translated to English.
A clearer portrayal of Chrono Trigger as intended by its Japanese creators is now available. It is not the opinion of this project that Ted Woolsey's official translation was bad or insufficient in any way -- only that some essence of the game was lost or altered, given Nintendo of America's censorship standards and the inability of the game to hold all the original text when translated to English.
A clearer portrayal of Chrono Trigger as intended by its Japanese creators is now available. It is not the opinion of this project that Ted Woolsey's official translation was bad or insufficient in any way -- only that some essence of the game was lost or altered, given Nintendo of America's censorship standards and the inability of the game to hold all the original text when translated to English.
A clearer portrayal of Chrono Trigger as intended by its Japanese creators is now available. It is not the opinion of this project that Ted Woolsey's official translation was bad or insufficient in any way -- only that some essence of the game was lost or altered, given Nintendo of America's censorship standards and the inability of the game to hold all the original text when translated to English.
A clearer portrayal of Chrono Trigger as intended by its Japanese creators is now available. It is not the opinion of this project that Ted Woolsey's official translation was bad or insufficient in any way -- only that some essence of the game was lost or altered, given Nintendo of America's censorship standards and the inability of the game to hold all the original text when translated to English.
For the whiners: We apologize for not translating your favorite Japan-only game, Densetsu no Haineko LXI. In the future, KWhazit will be more mindful of your nerdy complaints and choose an obscure game to satisfy your refined tastes in RPGs. Also, we will no longer present our work as a "hobby" by fans and for fans, but instead we will present ourselves as crusaders against Nintendo's sacrilegious inaccuracy and censorship. In line with this paradigm shift, KWhazit will begin demanding monthly Paypal contributions to continue, and will make irregular posts complaining about real life. To make a splash, we will announce no less than 10 new fan translations at at time, with release dates (if you're lucky) of no less than ten years out. Only then will we be a true fan translation unit and cater to your expectations and tastes.
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NO WAY, how did I miss that! :lol:
I always felt the translation was purely a new reference for fans and the encyclopedia.
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Jeez, ZealitY.
Are you going to spam Magus with that?
It'd be a lot better if we all kept in respectful and intellectual, without spamming or flooding it with random insults. Then we'd be no better than him.
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Well, if he insults me with my purely neutral message, I'd say it's time to fight douches with douches.
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MagusX1 quoted those words of the Retranslation page in his third retranslation rant video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxVDvHuIqAI
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Well, if he insults me with my purely neutral message, I'd say it's time to fight douches with douches.
"When you argue with an idiot, the audience can't tell the difference."
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Oh well, who gives a damn, right? He's one person.
http://wordle.net/gallery/wrdl/64967/MagusX1%27s_Rants
All of his rants compiled into one little wordle.
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Anyone else find it funny how he's like, 30 and bashes everyone?... I swear at the beginning of his video he said something about a Barn yard or barney rap or something...that made me wtf...No life =/
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"Listen KWhazit and Chrono Compendium Square Enix uses-er- Porfessional Translators! No, uh, Half-Ass jobs like you guys do!"
Add this to the slogan thread:
The Chrono Compendium: We Use Half-Ass Jobs.
Yay for being fluent in the english language, eh?
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Quote Magus:
.you guys think I hate Chrono Conpendium I just hate the retranslations and I think your page is misleading
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I would like to take this time to reveal the post that he made on my page.
Silly elitist troll. Know better not to flame me...or you will get flamed badly...have a nice day! Unlike you, peope like me, I have over 600 subs, you are just an elitist with no friends...simple as that
Then he blocked me. Dick. I couldn't flame him even if I wanted to.
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It's funny,he'll call you a "Silly Elitist Troll", but in the end that's pretty much what he's making himself out to be, no?
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This is getting out of hand, you guys are attacking a guy who doesn't like the translation, or guys rather. People have their own opinions about stuff, if they don't like it, don't flame the guy because he doesn't like it or reads something wrong. If you guys keep doing this, nothing will get done and it's silly. You can't force anyone to love a translation, be it a good or bad translation, trust me, we didn't force the people who hate the FF6 retrans to love it because we wanted everyone to be happy about it. You got to remember, you can't please everyone in the world, and yes, he might of went on a rampage about it, but that's him, he has the free will to do that, I'm not defending him or attacking you guys, I'm saying this because I think it's pointless. Also people do take the things the wrong way, hell I do that lots of times myself. So will you guys quit this crazy attack on one guy?
Here's what I get from this.
You guys release the retranslation,
Said guy downloads it and reads the page.
Said guy tries it and hates the translation and misunderstands the page.
Said guy puts a few youtube videos up about it, bashing the translation.
You guys retailiate and fuss at him about it.
He blocks you guys and think that Zeality is sending you guys to him.
You guys get mad at him calling you trolls. Which infact you are, cause you're bashing him.
So what if he has bad grammar, alot of people do.
anyway off my soapbox.
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You know what? Shinrin... Is right.
I'll leave this as is, there are better ways to spend my time.
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I was only mad because he publicly bashed the site, not the translation.
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Hahahaha... the plot thickens! I find this more and more sad.
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This "war" started because he claimed he was deceived by the retranslation page and wanted to "show people the truth" (paraphrased). If he hadn't said that in his first video, I wouldn't have gotten upset.
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I was only mad because he publicly bashed the site, not the translation.
I really doubt that was his motivation for the video. Listen to the guy: He has horrible grammar and gets way to into the moment. His true thoughts probably weren't as harsh as his words. He even says he has nothing against the site, only the translation. He says he likes the Chrono series, so why would that leave him with a cause to dislike the Compendium?
And even if he is bashing the site, we really shouldn't waste our time trying to counter argue with someone like him. He's going to insist on being right in every way no matter what you do, so in these kinds of cases it's just better to drop it and ignore the person who started the conflict. Say, a small child in elementary school gets made fun of because he talks a certain way. Put yourself in that child's shoes; are you particularly going to care about what the other kids think if all they can come up with are childish, meaningless insults? The correct answer is no, and the only way to "Put him in his place", per say, is to show him that he has no affect on us at all. Ignore him like you ignore a crumb of bread on an empty plate, his thoughts and opinons really won't affect us in the long run anyway.
And say he hated the retranslation; okay, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Do you think Masato Kato was affected personally when the masses of superficial CT fanboys bashed Chrono Cross? No, he didn't, because he was proud of his work and he still had an exteremly large and loyal fanbase.
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Did any one even listen to the rant? He said he likes the compendium in fact he thought Prophets Guile was awesome. He didn't like the retans and misread our statement so what? The only thing I have against this man, is that he would rather rant then get up and take care of his damn kid.
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Did any one even listen to the rant? He said he likes the compendium in fact he thought Prophets Guile was awesome. He didn't like the retans and misread our statement so what? The only thing I have against this man, is that he would rather rant then get up and take care of his damn kid.
Alright then, case in point. Let's just put this all behind us?
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Honestly, is RPGOne's reputation for hating the FF6 translation so bad that the stigma extends to all retranslations? Do I need to enlarge the font of that paragraph or repeat it 4 more times on the Retranslation page?
I can sympathize with that opinion. The GBA retranslation of FF6 sucked away most of the color and personality from the characters, and the PSP remake of FFTactics turned them all into corny Shakespearean actors... and I've been skeptical of them since. It would be terrible if the same thing happened to Chrono Trigger...
But I played the FF5 remake and am working on the FF4 one, and they don't seem as bad... I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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We aer going to rip apart your translation enjoy :D
What a bitch...
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I just read the new EGM, and they just talked about how they did not want this DS remake.
Yet they talk about how you must get on their website? :?: :| :?:
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I just read the new EGM, and they just talked about how they did not want this DS remake.
Yet they talk about how you must get on their website? :?: :| :?:
Because they know readers want to see more of it, even if they don't want to.
It could also be due to the fact that all gaming magazines these days are hypocritical subscriber-whores.
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I just read the new EGM, and they just talked about how they did not want this DS remake.
Yet they talk about how you must get on their website? :?: :| :?:
They don't want the remake because they want a game with spiffy and pretty graphics instead of investing in the revival of a groundbreaking and innovative series that focuses on graduated storyline rather than instant gratification. Sure what I said may seem biased, but it is what it is.
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It could also be different writing teams working on the magazine & the website, yeah?
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No, Jeremy Parish wrote both!
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Uh, um...were they written at the same time...? Maybe one was before information that it was actually just an enhanced port...? Why do I sound like I'm defending EGM...? >_>
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He says he'd rather play the SNES version than a DS version for fear that lame ass sequels would follow.
FF VII Anyone?
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He says he'd rather play the SNES version than a DS version for fear that lame ass sequels would follow.
FF VII Anyone?
Meh... that's confusing concept with execution; plus they tried incorporating the game(sequel-wise) into other genres(shooter, cinema, et al.) which ended up killing it.
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Yeah, that doesn't even make sense...Since it ALREADY HAS TWO SEQUELS!...Wait, Jeremy Parish? He's the one that wrote the article I posted about in the General Discussion forum (http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php?topic=5485.0)...
Chrono Trigger
Last seen: Chrono Cross - PS1 - 2000
Chrono Trigger remains one of the most beloved role-playing games ever created thanks to its innovative storytelling and streamlined gameplay. Its follow-up, Chrono Cross, was more like a side story than a sequel, focusing on new characters and a minor plot point from Trigger. And since then-nothing. Well, almost nothing: Rumors circulated of a Square-held trademark for a "Chrono Break," which ignited speculation (it's a break in time! Or maybe a brake, like on a car?) until the trademark lapsed. These days, all the company does with the series is quash fan efforts to remake the original-and if they're going to all that trouble, why not put some effort into a sequel, too?
WTF...? It says right there that he wants another sequel...>_>
Someone should write EGM a letter telling them that one of their writers is some kind of fucktard who doesn't know wtf it is he actually wants.
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WTF...? It says right there that he wants another sequel...>_>
Someone should write EGM a letter telling them that one of their writers is some kind of fucktard who doesn't know wtf it is he actually wants.
DID FTW!
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Uh, I just read the EGM article that mentioned the CTDS (it was Jeremy Parish & the head EGM guy Milky-something-or-other)...they both just seemed kind of on the fence about the whole thing, but both said that they'd both end up getting it anyways...Basically they were saying that they both didn't really mind that it was still 2D, but that they wished they weren't going to get shafted in the price for a fairly bare-bones port that had basically already come out before...and that SE hasn't been putting games up on Wii at all because they know they can just repackage them & resell them and we'll buy them again...>_>
One moderately good point they brought up was the fact that while sales of CT DS could make them consider a new Chrono game, it could just as likely (if not moreso) just make them pump out more of these straight/"enhanced" ports...I think that's worth noting because I hadn't thought of it that way...
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One moderately good point they brought up was the fact that while sales of CT DS could make them consider a new Chrono game, it could just as likely (if not moreso) just make them pump out more of these straight/"enhanced" ports...I think that's worth noting because I hadn't thought of it that way...
The two are not mutually exclusive.
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The two what...?
Anyways, that Milky-what's-his-face also brought up the possibility of a limited edition Chrono DS that I've been shouting from the rooftops should be done, HA! It must be done! ^_^
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Both messages may be sent: That ports to the DS are still a financially viable option in the era of the Virtual Console and Live Arcade, and that there is strong enough interest in the Chrono Series to merrit investigating another game in the franchise.