Chrono Compendium
Zenan Plains - Site Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Claado Shou on November 14, 2004, 07:20:20 pm
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Okay, you guys...I have some very interesting news for you all...
Tell everybody that I absolutely implore that they work on basic encyclopedia information with me, and that the site has lost sight of its original goal. Tell them I enjoyed the site in its November 2003 format more than I enjoy it now, and that it was wasting too much of my time and eating away at my life; lastly, inform them that I'll return if they're willing to please, please do some work. We have to fill in all this basic information in the Encyclopedia, such as useless stuff about weapons that no one cares about, but its got to be done before we can move to the really interesting analysis. I am not coming back unless there is some measure of help going on. My life simply can't make enough space for this.
I got this in a PM from him on OCR, and he said that while he worries about Project ZEAL and its continuation, his life is now drastically improved since giving up the Compendium, and doesn't plan on coming back unless somebody will share the burden of updating and such.
So, whatever info is missing from the archives - even the smallest little thing related to CT, CC, or anything Chrono - please add it and do what you can. It'd be a shame if we lost ZeaLitY because we couldn't do our part.
~.C.S.~
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He says his life's improved since he left the Compendium. I think we should just let him live his choice.
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Hmm, feels like blackmail...
Bah, Vehicles (http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Vehicles) section complete.
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That was my worry; that it would be seen as that. But spending 2+ hours a day on this really killed my free time, and I couldn't finish important, personal things. I also feel much nostalgia for the old site. The reason the analysis can't be added and finalized until the basic information is complete is that the analysis applies to nearly every topic and entry in the series, meaning it would be significantly easier to draw from, edit, and revise an existing knowledge base rather than working backwards.
Anyway, there aren't any scruples about using existing information. I've always cross-referenced Gamefaqs guides in updating some encyclopedias. But, since I cannot continue like this, two things must happen:
1. Site is finished piecemeal probably over the period of a year
2. Site is expediently finished by a collective effort
It's all in your hands; editing terms is easy and the template is there to follow. Ramsus is going to re-establish our frontend, meaning we'll once again have a showcase and a real appearance, rather than come face to face with the inner workings of the Enyclopedia, hardly aesthetically pleasing.
If option 1 is opted for, yeah, I'll hover around, but nothing will really get done. If 2 is taken and some guys other than Chrono'99, Claado, KWhatzit, Leebot, and V Translanka (sorry if I missed any who've done a few entries in the past) help and contribute, I'll be here. It's just extremely difficult to do this alone; I usually felt very regretful for spending so much time on it some days. I've also hardly been participating in analysis and fanfiction, the real fruits of the Compendium and all of you, because my head's been so deeply submerged in this useless information.
Just to get things started, I'm going to go ahead and make the lists of entries for each encyclopedia. Then you can pick and choose, rather than feel like you aren't sure what you're doing. I'll also make sure the templates are there. I want to be here, but in the interests of my own well-being (because if I let myself, I will waste time on this without stopping myself, like a drug), I can't work at the rate I've been going.
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So, who'd be willing to just do something? Images will come later, by the way. If you volunteer I can tell you what to do, or you can find something you'd like to do.
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As has been stated, I've always been willing to add entires (although most of my info comes more from the Brady Games' Guide & a basic Dictionary and/or Encyclopedia)...But it's just been harder as of late because I've been busy on numerous online writing projects (including ZEAL & my fanfic), my high school completion classes (only two times a week, but the homework really eats up my time), and the recent break-up with my bestfriend/girlfriend...Right now I'm taking a few shots of JD and am probably going to have a smoke...
Personally, ZeaLitY, I don't think you should spend so much time on the site, especially if it's hampering you in any way...Heck, perhaps a little break is what you need...Everyone needs one every now and then...Then, when you come back, you'll have a fresher outlook on things and may feel better about stuff...I think most of the long-timers here are more than willing to add to the minute details if we (if I may count myself among them) can. I think that a lot of people, yes, just don't know what's needed or how exactly to go about doing it (especially for newcomers).
I've noticed that the sections on the main page are bumped down to below the recent news...Maybe that's not for the best? You'd think that kind of stuff should be on the sidebar if possible, or at least somewhere near the top of the page...I dunno...
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^^Agreed^^
Also where is my avatar button?
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Is this why the site was down for several days?
I assume that ZeaLitY has to pay for this web space, so it is his to handle however he pleases.
That said, I don't think ZeaLitY can expect all other users to be as devoted to the Compendium project as he is himself.
I really doubt that the intention here was to blackmail. I think ZeaLitY is making a sincere plea. Still, blackmail is ultimately what this is. "Make the site into what I thought it would be, or I'll take my ball and go home."
Simply put, this is the best Chrono reference and discussion resource in existence, incomplete though it may be at this point. I hope it sticks around regardless of how it evolves.
OdF
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Well, I'll probably be doing a little more in the encyclopedia, but first I'd like to put the finishing touches on my article. After that, I'll do some more work on finishing entries.
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Is this why the site was down for several days?
I assume that ZeaLitY has to pay for this web space, so it is his to handle however he pleases.
That said, I don't think ZeaLitY can expect all other users to be as devoted to the Compendium project as he is himself.
I really doubt that the intention here was to blackmail. I think ZeaLitY is making a sincere plea. Still, blackmail is ultimately what this is. "Make the site into what I thought it would be, or I'll take my ball and go home."
Simply put, this is the best Chrono reference and discussion resource in existence, incomplete though it may be at this point. I hope it sticks around regardless of how it evolves.
OdF
Holy, you got your internet back?
No, the site was down for unknown reasons. Probably, some turned off the computer at Ramsus's house for awhile to work on it or something.
Alright, instead of just unleashing requests, I'm going to tidy up the Music section and then we can approach these useless encyclopedias that are posing so much of a problem.
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I don't have the internet at home, so I don't work on the encyclopedia as much as I would like... But anyway now that the "request" is expressed clearly, I think people will try to do more. As it has been said, it could have been clearer if the section links were put more at the top or on the sidebar...
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I'll be more than willing to write up a few short entries that have to do with CT, since I've played it a bjillion times. I can't do CC stuff, though, since I don't have a Playstation.
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Looks like I may have to "nerd it up" by bringing my Brady Games Guide to the Library occasionally to make some minor updates if I can. Another major factor in my in-contribution as of late has been my quirky connection...What do I care if a bunch of damn Library people who flock over the DVDs as they're being put away like vultures think I'm being a nerd-o, right?
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I'd be glad to help, although I'm not exactly sure how I'd be of any help. I wouldn't know how to do much. But I'd like to help in any single way I can.
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I see why you stopped, I don't blame you. I really badly wish I could help, but I know nothing about how website work (All the sites I usually go to I ran into by coincedence) And I have no ego whatsoever and no self-confidence. I waste my time on videogames all the time, and I dout I can make a big difference due to the fact I can only go on the net 90 min. a day (the Library computers have timers on them). I'm really sorry I can't do anything usefull.
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It's alright if you write up a mediocre entry! :) If someone who's a genius on this stuff runs across it, they'd probably be more than happy to fix it.
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Alright. Someone with a browser other than IE, I need you to go to http://ryoga.heypoorplayer.org/ctpp/ and download these pictures:
Every picture under 'The Protoype' except the Lavos background
Every picture under 'The Proto Cartridge'
Every picture under 'The V-Jump Edition'
Every picture under 'The Final'
Every picture under 'Misc. Comparisons'
Every picture under http://ryoga.heypoorplayer.org/ctpp/eigth.html
Every picture under 'Other Oddities' down to the Fleaver; I already have the cards
After this is done, hit http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Special:Upload and upload those suckers. A bug prevents me from doing it in Internet Explorer. Once this is done, we can wrap up the Prerelease (again).
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Sorry, I use IE. Are there any quick CT entries that I can write up? I want to be of some help!
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Done. Firefox > IE.
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RD, mind if I debate that point with you sometime?
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My computer isn't working right now, so don't expect quick replies, but sure, fine by me.
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That's rather alright, for I do not have my primary sources readily for about one or two weeks. Be glad to take you on then.
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So, who'd be willing to just do something? Images will come later, by the way. If you volunteer I can tell you what to do, or you can find something you'd like to do.
i can't garantee quickness, but i can do something.
let's share the burden...
No weight heavier than 3 tons please.
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Progress update: I've finished the Shots, added a "Types" index, and redone all the Attack/Hit entries to the more meaningful +X/+Y% form (the old form was only accurate for certain characters when they weren't equipped with Attack or Hit altering accessories).
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I'll get working again on the monsters sections soon. If anybody has any home made sprite sheets of any monster feel free to add them in.
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Ask away at what youd like me to do, however I must admit my web skills are lacking. Perhaps a little technical writing to get myself back into shape?
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I just added all of the Armors (not the specific informations, but all of the names and types) for Chrono Cross...Although I was confused on some because you equip Helmets as Accessories...I put them in Armors though, as well as other things that I figured as Armor. I'm not sure about Tiaras though as they only boost M. Def, but I think they act as Helmets by taking up that spot, don't they? So I put them in Armor too...I also put in Pierre's Hero's Shield...and Ghetz's Shirt, since I figured they are armor and they will probably get their own entries, even if Ghetz's Shirt isn't real.
Also, I was wondering about that stuff for the stats...In my Brady Guide (not the best resource, I know, but hear me out...) it shows a base stat for the first of any type of weapon (mostly Ivory weapons), but for the others it then gives a +#. Before, I had simply added that number to the first weapon's base stat...Where did they get that base stat seeing as they aren't true? Also, I would then need all the Ivory or 1st weapon's stats before I could do the others (unless I went through a game, which I currently can't...unless I write stuff down...hey, I found a solution!) because I think the Brady Guide is right on their +# thing, just that it needs to add to it the original +# attack bonus...I think...Ah hell...I'll just do it the hard way I guess...
Also, I was wondering about Magic & Elements...Are Chrono Cross's Elements going under 'Magic'? Or is it going to have it's own sub-section? I noticed that so far the Magic section is basically a mini-article about Chrono Trigger's Magic system currently, but doesn't really show the Magic Techs or anything...Is something like that supposed to go there even?
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Well, here's the general pattern I found for typical weapons:
Ivory weapons (and the Sea Swallow) have +8 Attack, +0% Hit
Bronze: +10 Attack, +1% Hit
Iron: +13 Attack, +2% Hit
Mythril: +16 Attack, +2% Hit
Denadorite: +20 Attack, +3% Hit
Rainbow: +25 Attack, +4% Hit
Type modifications:
Daggers: -1 Attack
Axes: -1% Hit
Hit modifications (based on the characters stated Hit%, to find actual Hit%):
80%: +2%
85%: +0%
90%: -1%
For unique weapons (Mastermune, Einlanzier, etc.), you'll have to compare the bonus the guide gives to whatever the minimum bonus is.
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With that, i suppose it is time to finish Chrono Cross Weapons. Who would be up for it? Remember the Name Origin and Japanese equivalent now go under the actual game entry (earlier this year when work first began, they were above). Checking the existing entries for accidents of this kind would also help. Real World Influences is a good reference for name origins.
Once this is done we can begin wtih Accessories. Radical Dreamers does not have a list of any kind, so we'll have to make entries for stuff we read about, such as the jewel on the jeweled dagger. I asked the Gamefaqs RD board to name some accessories from memory, but they could not.
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Meh, I guess I'll do it. I've been doing most of the work on it recently, anyway. I won't make any promises about how long it will take, however. It all depends on when I get around to it and how long it takes before I get bored.
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We'll all find the same road eventually, so time isn't a problem.
Any other editors willing to do stuff? I'm going to blaze through CT Armor at the speed of light; CC Armor needs an editor.
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If anybody needs a base for the CC armors, check out the entry on Carapace Dress.
EDIT: DIE UNUSED TAGS.
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Waitaminute, after replaying some CC in order to check out some of the stats for weapons I came upon a realization...HOW can you know the stat bonuses for the first of any type of weapon? You can't have no weapon equipped! So there MUST be some kind of base stat for each weapon type...
Where do you get "Ivory weapons (and the Sea Swallow) have +8 Attack, +0% Hit" from then? It doesn't make sense...
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It's simply assuming that, for hit, the total hit is the sum of the character's natural hit and the weapon's hit (when no other modifying accessories are equipped), and similarly for attack. Then, one goes back and subtracts the character's natural hit/attack from the total hit/attack.
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Yes, but without being able to determine such stats because you can't unequip a weapon, where do you get the "natural hit".