Chrono Compendium
Enhasa Halls - Chrono Series Analysis => History, Locations, and Artifacts => Topic started by: FaustWolf on May 03, 2008, 04:56:12 pm
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Does the Compendium have an official position on the veracity of the claims in this article?
http://www.cot.drackir.com/colony.htm
I find it intriguing and probable, my only concern being that we should have seen some evidence of a militarily-powerful Porre in Chrono Trigger's ending. Albeit, the only thing left was the Moonlight Parade by that point, and maybe everyone was too sloshed to worry about Porre's ambitions that night.
Thanks to pirofyre978 at GameFAQs for bringing up this article over there.
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Frog traveled to Choras in 600 AD to dispose of Cyrus' body. Seems like ocean worthy ships were available by then.
Also, Porre notibly seems to be a technological powerhouse; I'm not seeing much reliance on elements, so it seems unlikely that imports of elements are what helped it rise to power.
However, the article did get me thinking... I suspect I'll have more to post on this matter in a day or two.
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While I'm not sure how into this whole idea of "The Compendium's Stance" I keep hearing about...I mean, each person pretty much just believes what they think makes the most sense, I think. Sure, a lot of us have discussed a lot of it, so we may know a little more about this or that subject concerning the series...but the Compendium as a whole having one sure-fire answer for every single little topic? I don't think so...
But, anyways...there is this Article about the Rise of Porre that you may find helpful...
http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/The_Rise_of_Porre.html
Seriously, does no one use the top box's links but me?
Frog traveled to Choras in 600 AD to dispose of Cyrus' body. Seems like ocean worthy ships were available by then.
I think he could have just swam there. We know he swam the distance of the Zenan Bridge...and, hell, he's pretty strong, right?
(http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/4509/frogisstrongxo0.gif)
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Sweeet, yes I should have looked there before posting this topic, thanks V. I was mainly interested in the elements, and the Compendium labels that theory as "the most likely of the few viable ones," so that definitely answers my question.
Ah well. Since most of the articles were written, we've gotten new members able to provide fresh and invaluable insight, so I find it most useful to bring up certain mysteries again.
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I think he could have just swam there. We know he swam the distance of the Zenan Bridge...and, hell, he's pretty strong, right?
Maybe, but that is a lot of dead weight to be carrying... unless he waited until the body started to decompose, I suppose, and used the corpse-gas to make Cyrus a flotation device. But bodies DO decompose 4 times faster in water than on dry land (more or less depending on temperature, to be fair). Assuming the overworld map is of relative size to earth, Cyrus' body would have been goo by the time Frog got to Choras (assuming about 2 or 3 weeks of swimming). Still... that would make it easier for him to sneak the "body" into the Northern Ruins too.
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Also, Porre notibly seems to be a technological powerhouse; I'm not seeing much reliance on elements, so it seems unlikely that imports of elements are what helped it rise to power.
but Guardia had a dragon tank, right? That seems to be more advanced than Porre's cannons and rifles.. But then, Chrono and Lucca thrashed it...
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Maybe, but that is a lot of dead weight to be carrying... unless he waited until the body started to decompose, I suppose, and used the corpse-gas to make Cyrus a flotation device. But bodies DO decompose 4 times faster in water than on dry land (more or less depending on temperature, to be fair). Assuming the overworld map is of relative size to earth, Cyrus' body would have been goo by the time Frog got to Choras (assuming about 2 or 3 weeks of swimming). Still... that would make it easier for him to sneak the "body" into the Northern Ruins too.
Well then in that case I still just don't think he'd need an ocean-liner-class ship just to haul Cyrus' body...I bet he could just strap him to a hunk of wood debris and work it...Maybe he managed to summon that giant frog from Frog Squash to help him out? lol
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Frog hired a one-eyed, peg-leg fisherman (wearing a yellow raincoat) to take him there.
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Perchance did this fisherman have a grizzled appearance, possibly white stubble around his heavily scarred face, and maybe a parrot of some description.
Note: For the Dragon Tank, the instruction booklet was nearby. This implies that the Dragon Tank was new, and possibly an import (though to be fair, organizations do create inscrution books for their own use). While mechanically interesting, it would still be primarily an anti-infantry weapon. A few good cannons and crews on the opposing line should be able to mash it flat with some well placed shots. Additionally, something as simple-seeming as a rifle actually indicates a high level of technology, possibly higher than the dragon tank itself. For one, there has to be industrialization and standardization (often terms as replaceable parts). Rifling in turn is a fundamentally different conception of how the barrel of a gun is formed (technically, all guns today including rifling, to my knowledge). Puts a nice little spin on bullets for stability (which in turn also increases range). Then there is the Minie ball itself (aka, bullet), which is designed to expand when fired, forming relatively tight seal around the barrel, allowing for the exposition to provide greater thrust. Three very small improvements in technology that, when combined, can allow a rifle to be fired accurately at targets around a mile away.
Of course... the dragon tank had lasers and flamethrowers.
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Fascinating examination of the Dragon Tank; I had completely overlooked its implications. The Chrono Trigger Alpha had World War I-style airplanes flying over the 1000AD world map, and we can, perhaps, guess from this that Guardia was at an 1910~1920 real-world technology level.
Flamethrowers I can see, but how did Guardia get lasers...? Man, that's a conundrum.
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I suppose those might not be actual lasers, insofar as we'd normally define lasers. I am reminded of old 80's cartoons; it is much flashier to represent bullets with beams of light (such as in G.I. Joe). Or, in turn, the does have a heavy "fantastical" influence. "Lasers" and "rays" weren't unheard of devices in comic books back in the time period (to my knowledge).
It is also a shadow attack, if I recall correctly, implying that it might be better termed plasma or some such, rather than actual light (which to me, at least, seems more akin to a lightning/sky/heaven element). Maybe a weaponized Tesla Coil put to military use. Lucca's machines do seem to have some laser like qualities (I am recalling specifically the processing of the sun stone).
As for Guardia... I've actually wondered for a while if in the alpha the millenia fair was happening in 1999 (hence the technology seen in pre-release versions, the mentions of earth quakes, and the fact that 1000 AD is the only era without a Lavos influence). If that was the case, I suspect it was reordered to make the apocalypse future more interesting. But totally unimportant for actual analysis.
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As for Guardia... I've actually wondered for a while if in the alpha the millenia fair was happening in 1999 (hence the technology seen in pre-release versions, the mentions of earth quakes, and the fact that 1000 AD is the only era without a Lavos influence). If that was the case, I suspect it was reordered to make the apocalypse future more interesting. But totally unimportant for actual analysis.
That's actually my take on it. I always thought the airplanes were awfully out of place in the demo (considering that 1000 AD was still a monarchy with limited technology - yeah, sure we see refrigerators and radios, but not once did I see evidence of electricity or transmittors).
As for the Dragon Tank - perhaps the best and the brightest (except for Lucca) helped make the Dragon Tank, much akin to a Chrono-equivalent Manhatten Project of sorts. Perhaps Taban had a role in the creation of the Dragon Tank? (speculation, no doubt)
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This implies that the Dragon Tank was new, and possibly an import
To the Guardia Kingdom Prison Warden:
Dragon Tank Blueprints
An ability is installed in the Dragon Tank's head
that recovers the damage the body takes.
A shield that defends against Sky and Fire
attribute skills is equipped to the head, so
one cannot inflict damage except with attacks
by weapons like swords or pistols.
In other words, as long as the head is not
broken by the attacks of swords, etc., you may
consider the Dragon Tank unbeatable.
From the Guardia Kingdom Development Dept.
There ya go, not an import! Gods I have to keep playing the CTRetranslation...
but how did Guardia get lasers...? Man, that's a conundrum.
Um...Magic! FTW?!?
It (the Dragon Tank's laser attack) is also a shadow attack, if I recall correctly, implying that it might be better termed plasma or some such, rather than actual light (which to me, at least, seems more akin to a lightning/sky/heaven element).
Well, Robo's lasers are also Shadow...and we know that Guardia was able to create anti-Heaven/Lightning & anti-Fire armor for the Dragon Tank...
but not once did I see evidence of electricity or transmittors
What about the lighting? I don't recall a lot of candles everywhere (although I suppose a lot of that could just be natural lighting as seen w/Crono's room)...or how about the Telepod? Plenty of electricity there...there's also Gato...it's possible to think Robo is at least partly steam-powered, but I didn't think such was possible for Gato...
It's also interesting to note that the Dragon Tank has regenerative abilities...Now THAT'S a TANK! Although Swords and Guns are it's only weakness??? Hey, that implies that they had guns even back then! Oh yeah, you can buy guns there, can't you? Well, it also happens to mean that Guardia's Development Dept. obviously wasn't working w/a full set back then, so maybe that continued and that's why Porre was able to overthrow...They just made stuff w/o horrible, horrible flaws! lol
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Well, Robo's lasers are also Shadow...and we know that Guardia was able to create anti-Heaven/Lightning & anti-Fire armor for the Dragon Tank...
Good point. Still, what were they thinking?
Developer #1: "Gee, we have this attack that is essentially focused light. What element should it be?"
Developer #2: "I know... DARK!"
Developer #1: "A light based weapon causes Dark Elemental damage? Makes sense to me! There we go, perfectly logical. And no plot holes, to boot."
Developer #2: "What about Marle causing herself to disappear?"
Developer #1: "Yup, perfectly logical..."
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Maybe that's why there should be a difference between Lightning & Heaven...? Since Robo's (& the Dragon Tank's?) electric-based (/or steam-based, for that matter) attacks wouldn't be coming from the heavens, right?
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Some well placed shots.. hmm, to be more realistic, the firearms of Porre were probably not rifles.. the first guns in our world were smoothbore muskets, maybe that was likewise in Porre.. I remember in CC that Porre soldiers carry firearms, but when you fight them they use their guns mainly to stab you, as if there were bayonets attached (correct me if i'm mistaken).. that indicates that Porre's soldiers were not confident about the accuracy of their guns, suggesting that they use the horribly innaccurate muskets..
and the Dragon tank was fairly mobile right? That would have made it harder to hit.. and If porre's artillery were also innaccurate smoothbore cannons, thay would have relied more on 'lucky hits', rather than "well placed shots" to destroy the tank.. Early cannons were not used for precision fire, rather as seige and area denial weapons..
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They shoot you in their Techs...Norris has access to various pistol guns as well, though, remember...Zappa can make (most of) them.
The Dragon Tank seemed to lumber in very tank-like, actually...I don't think they were paying enough attention to it's defense outside of the Sky/Fire Shield because the head could restore the body...honestly, it was one of the first bosses (and the only one where you have 2 party members? I think that's right), so they had to make it flawed for the game's sake too, HA!
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Well, the guns employed by Porre are certainly more advanced than muskets. They look to be flintlock or more advanced. Personally, given the ease with which the weapons are fired, I am inclined to think them cartridge or maybe caplock (if the graphics indicate shells flying out of the guns when fired, then definitely cartridge, but I can't remember that level of detail). The weapons employ smokeless gunpowder and are breach-loading (as opposed to muzzle-loading, like muskets). Given the frequency with which the guns may be fired (several times a minute), this implies that they are not single-shot either, but multi-shot (or revolver based). Given Lucca's processing of the Sun Stone (by vacuum packing it into a cartridge), it appears that the weapons might have been magazine fed (or that magazine like concepts were around).
As for the Porre soldiers stabbing with their guns, that probably has nothing to do with the weapons themselves but rather the military mindset. WWI rifles were reasonably accurate, but the military commanders believed that the war would be won at bayonet point. Thus, despite being less effective, the bayonet charge was highly valued by those commanders. Such is generally seen to be the result of militaries (and nations) always preparing to fight the last war (for example, after WWI France built the world's greatest military trench fortification system along their boarders... the German tanks had no problem rolling right over them come WWII). Before WWI, bayonets were more important, so generals thought they were still important, ignoring technological developments (like the machine gun).
As such, the Porre military using "bayonets" is very likely an artifact of rapidly developed technology. Indeed, 1000 AD Porre might not of even had anywhere close to those sort of weapons. A time traveler may have introduced such devices but the effective use of technology is hard to pass on.
All in all, the level of technology is fairly mid-20th century, with a dash of steam punk, a cup of sci-fi, and a pinch of anachronism thrown in for fun.
I suppose, if we are assuming 20th century level technology, Laser’s really aren’t too out of place, particularly in a wacky R&D concept like the Dragon Tank (still, how are LIGHT Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation devices “dark” magic? What, do these lasers make those hand stamps at Disneyland glow?). Lasers might not be practical weapons, but they are still cool.
Of course, the dragon tanks “lasers” not very laser-like. It travels at less than the speed of light and very much in a visible, contained beam, alike to a blaster bolt from Star Wars. I still maintain that this laser, and even Robo’s Laser (which is way too big to be practical), may not be the same as what we define as lasers.
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Lasers might not be practical weapons, but they are still cool.
Weeee!
(http://blog.wired.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/07/05/superlaser_01ds.jpg)
Of course, the dragon tanks “lasers” not very laser-like. It travels at less than the speed of light and very much in a visible, contained beam, alike to a blaster bolt from Star Wars. I still maintain that this laser, and even Robo’s Laser (which is way too big to be practical), may not be the same as what we define as lasers.
Would particle cannons be a fairer term?
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Remember, of course, the Chrono universe has a different history than we do. Perhaps DIFFERENT technologies were invented there before they were here, and vice versa. And perhaps they have COMPLETELY DIFFERENT inventions / scientific revelations that we have yet to discover (ie - Lucca''s Telepod).
Also, considering the "magical" nature of the Chrono Universe, the physics of their world may be completely different altogether.
As such, it seems to me that their projectile-based weaponry may be something unlike anything we've ever seen.
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What gets me is that Guardia's last defender and that person's opponent were using swords in the "Time Skips a Beat" video. Did the Guardia R&D department not produce another Dragon Tank in time, or something? And why wasn't the enemy soldier using a standard issue Porre rifle? UNLESS -- that attacker were an Acacian mercenary hired by Porre and they primarily used swords, which is why I'm a fan of the Garai theory.
AND...could Guardian businessmen have outsourced a majority of the country's manufacturing capacity to Porre between 1000 and 1005AG? Sort of like what US manufacturers did with Mexico and now China? However, this still doesn't explain why Guardia wouldn't have had another Dragon Tank, since you'd expect the royal government to keep its most defense-critical manufacturing capability within the country, unless Crono allowed a major blunder to happen...and Crono is Chuck Norris in disguise, so that's not an option :)
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I suppose, if we are assuming 20th century level technology, Laser’s really aren’t too out of place, particularly in a wacky R&D concept like the Dragon Tank (still, how are LIGHT Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation devices “dark” magic?
Well, Shadow Magic is normally a combination of the others, right? Maybe lasers are seen as a kind of combination of Heaven/Lightning & Fire or something?
I think it's possible that after the original Dragon Tank debacle that they just scrapped the whole idea altogether...or else maybe the Guardia Development Dept. was disbanded?? lol
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Well, Shadow Magic is normally a combination of the others, right? Maybe lasers are seen as a kind of combination of Heaven/Lightning & Fire or something?
I think it's possible that after the original Dragon Tank debacle that they just scrapped the whole idea altogether...or else maybe the Guardia Development Dept. was disbanded?? lol
I always thought shadow magic was a Lavos-equivalent(i.e. Dark Force or Zealian Magic) to the natural elements; weren't Robo's Techniques said to be Shadow-like, at any rate--implying that they're not natural.
Spekkio: This hugeass doll......
You, you're not a living thing.
You've got a strong heart too, but since you're
not descended from the ancient magic
peoples, magic's a no-go.
But that laser weapon of yours has got
serious destructive ability.
It resembles "Dark" power.
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I think that just means that it deals a Shadow Magic-like effect w/o literally being Magic...Magic magic requires an inner strength...
But you guys've got it. Strength of the heart.
Magic's the heart's strength, power.
Magic's made up of the four powers Sky, Dark,
Fire, and Water.
Like so, it's not just magic, all things
are made up of the balance of these four.
Th, this guy you've brought's really something
else!
The incredibly rare Dark power......!
I've got nothing to teach him.
That seems to make it seem like Shadow Magic is just not as common...Also, most (all?) Double & Triple Techs that use combinations of Magic-types usually default to create Shadow...
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Wasn't Chancellor really Yakra XIII? He seemed to have knowledge that had been passed down from his ancestor. Now, what was the earliest Yakra ancestor responsible for? That's right! The abduction of Queen Leena! What if that Yakra came from the Dark Ages, or maybe...the Future?
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Well, the guns employed by Porre are certainly more advanced than muskets. They look to be flintlock or more advanced. Personally, given the ease with which the weapons are fired, I am inclined to think them cartridge or maybe caplock (if the graphics indicate shells flying out of the guns when fired, then definitely cartridge, but I can't remember that level of detail). The weapons employ smokeless gunpowder and are breach-loading (as opposed to muzzle-loading, like muskets). Given the frequency with which the guns may be fired (several times a minute), this implies that they are not single-shot either, but multi-shot (or revolver based). Given Lucca's processing of the Sun Stone (by vacuum packing it into a cartridge), it appears that the weapons might have been magazine fed (or that magazine like concepts were around).
As for the Porre soldiers stabbing with their guns, that probably has nothing to do with the weapons themselves but rather the military mindset. WWI rifles were reasonably accurate, but the military commanders believed that the war would be won at bayonet point. Thus, despite being less effective, the bayonet charge was highly valued by those commanders. Such is generally seen to be the result of militaries (and nations) always preparing to fight the last war (for example, after WWI France built the world's greatest military trench fortification system along their boarders... the German tanks had no problem rolling right over them come WWII). Before WWI, bayonets were more important, so generals thought they were still important, ignoring technological developments (like the machine gun).
As such, the Porre military using "bayonets" is very likely an artifact of rapidly developed technology. Indeed, 1000 AD Porre might not of even had anywhere close to those sort of weapons. A time traveler may have introduced such devices but the effective use of technology is hard to pass on.
All in all, the level of technology is fairly mid-20th century, with a dash of steam punk, a cup of sci-fi, and a pinch of anachronism thrown in for fun.
I suppose, if we are assuming 20th century level technology, Laser’s really aren’t too out of place, particularly in a wacky R&D concept like the Dragon Tank (still, how are LIGHT Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation devices “dark” magic? What, do these lasers make those hand stamps at Disneyland glow?). Lasers might not be practical weapons, but they are still cool.
Of course, the dragon tanks “lasers” not very laser-like. It travels at less than the speed of light and very much in a visible, contained beam, alike to a blaster bolt from Star Wars. I still maintain that this laser, and even Robo’s Laser (which is way too big to be practical), may not be the same as what we define as lasers.
Ok, the guns aint muskets, but how about Porre's cannons? might they be rifled too? and how would they fare against an opponent such as the Dragon Tank?
And did military commanders of WWI really believed that the war would be won by the bayonet? not with trench warfare and machine guns cutting through massed infantry and bayonet attacks like a harvester in a wheat field.. Still, even WWII armed forces utilized bayonets for close in combat..
And German tanks did not roll over the Maginot Line, they outflanked it through then neutral Belgium and Luxembourg in a display of mechanized superiority...
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Okay, with all this world war talk I just have to post this. CuteLucca's beautiful artwork depicting something that isn't Porre overwhelming Guardia, but which I have always associated it with:
(http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/8414/porremarchesxb3.th.jpg) (http://img398.imageshack.us/my.php?image=porremarchesxb3.jpg)
Secondrate, you're suggesting that Yakra XIII lent some kind of high-tech knowledge to the Guardia Development Dept., and with Yakra XIII's death, Guardia lost its technological edge?
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[...]
Magic's made up of the four powers Sky, Dark,
Fire, and Water.
Like so, it's not just magic, all things
are made up of the balance of these four.
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That seems to make it seem like Shadow Magic is just not as common...Also, most (all?) Double & Triple Techs that use combinations of Magic-types usually default to create Shadow...
True, but there's something internally inconsistent when shadow is composed of the other three elements, yet it is somehow still a separate force and one to be in a state of equilibrium with the other three.
So mathematically: 1(avg. element) != 2|3(Shadow) so Shadow can never be balanced as 1+1+1+(2|3) != 4.
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What gets me is that Guardia's last defender and that person's opponent were using swords in the "Time Skips a Beat" video. Did the Guardia R&D department not produce another Dragon Tank in time, or something? And why wasn't the enemy soldier using a standard issue Porre rifle? UNLESS -- that attacker were an Acacian mercenary hired by Porre and they primarily used swords, which is why I'm a fan of the Garai theory.
The Dragon Tank was undone by a punk rocker and a girl with robot fetish. That wouldn't be a big selling point, you know.
But as for why they were using swords, anachronism!
I mean really, what is going to cause more damage, getting hit by a friggen gun or a crossbow bolt? One would suspect the former, but if I recall right Marle and Lucca's attacks were rather comperable.
Besides, like Lasers, swords are cool.
Ok, the guns aint muskets, but how about Porre's cannons? might they be rifled too? and how would they fare against an opponent such as the Dragon Tank?
And did military commanders of WWI really believed that the war would be won by the bayonet? not with trench warfare and machine guns cutting through massed infantry and bayonet attacks like a harvester in a wheat field.. Still, even WWII armed forces utilized bayonets for close in combat..
And German tanks did not roll over the Maginot Line, they outflanked it through then neutral Belgium and Luxembourg in a display of mechanized superiority...
As noted above, two teenagers were able to defeat the Dragon Tank. Cannons should have had no problem (with or without rifling), as long as there was a lot of them (as is, enough for an assult).
And yes, the early generals in WWI did put too high of a value on bayonetts (though, to be fair, all 19th century tactics were too highly valued), which is partially why the war was so deadly. It is stupid to order a bayonet charge against an enemy that is dug in and has a machine gun, but bayonet charges were ordered nonetheless.
To note, Bayonets are still in use.
Also, when I said: "for example, after WWI France built the world's greatest military trench fortification system along their boarders... the German tanks had no problem rolling right over them come WWII," by "them" I meant the French, not the trenches (but that was a poorly constructed sentance, sorry).
Regarding Dark Magic, it really is an interesting topic given it is a fundamental force that in turn seems to be made up of other forces.
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Secondrate, you're suggesting that Yakra XIII lent some kind of high-tech knowledge to the Guardia Development Dept., and with Yakra XIII's death, Guardia lost its technological edge?
It's a possibility. Who knows if he left behind any schematics...but seeing how he was a Mystic, he would've kept all knowledge to himself.
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Ok.. But i still think that Porre's tech was around late 19th Century. Look at the Porre warship anchored at Home Termina, it seems like a pre-ironclad warship, with old fashioned masts and sails (???), and their cannons stationed at the town looked like muzzle loading to me: no breech or recoil mechanism was evident..
And yes, the French were a total washout during WWII, too bad for them and the world..
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Actually, I finally finished up a regular New Game (no +) yesterday and, as I was running around Termina, I was thinking how near-20th century that warship was. Sure, the cannon placements were old-fashioned (looking like they were designed for pulling along side another ship and exchanging vollies), but the metal-reinforced hull and heavy mechanical look seems almost dreadnought-ish. Given that the Porre Military was able to respond to the raid on Viper Mansion so quickly in Another World implies that they have steam powered ships (yes, this one was mast and sail, but the implication was that not all were).
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Wow, everyone else has covered so much of this topic. I just wanted to point out one thing...
Although Swords and Guns are it's only weakness??? Hey, that implies that they had guns even back then! Oh yeah, you can buy guns there, can't you? Well, it also happens to mean that Guardia's Development Dept.
The Dreamgun? 6,500,000 B.C.? They had guns too. Shops carrying them just means it's time for a weapons upgrade for your characters, not plot development. At least, that's what I believe. For now.
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idk...that's a mighty big leap of "it's just game mechanics" for me to believe...especially for theorizing...you've gotta go w/what the game gives you as actual evidence. How outlandish is learning to make guns at a different time than...say...learning MAGIC? :P
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To be fair, what can and can't be bought in shopes is a very dubious source of evidence. However, what each character actually utilizes is more relevant. That Lucca uses guns implies that guns were around in 1000 AD more than shops selling them. After all, Robo's "arms" are presumably very technologically advanced, yet they are readily available in numerous time periods (which is more of an anachronism than guns).
But... we're talking about a dragon tank here. I think that alone is enough to support the assumption that they had guns during that time period.
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Perhaps some of the 'guns' Lucca uses and the 'arms' utilized by Robo are just COMPONENTS that 'transform' their weapon into "Stone Shot" or "Terra Arm", etc. You know, they are personalizing their weapons (such as Lucca making her gun capable of firing dreamstone shot). Just as we rarely see Crono and friends eat, sleep, or go potty during their adventure, we may also not see the heroes re-utilize their weapons with "upgrades".
Any who, the Dragon Tank probably got shut down after two teenagers destroyed it. If a military weapon was easily destroyed/dispatched by two teenagers here in the good ol' states, I think the military might view such weaponry as sub-par. Most likely was the case with the Dragon Tank...
But the technology put into the tank is obviously important. As mentioned before, lazers, flame throwers, etc. Plus, when you defeat the Dragon Tank's head, we clearly see advanced machinery beneath the plating. Also, it doesn't seem like the tank was piloted, so most likely it was unmanned and had sophisticated AI enabling it to target enemies and make proper battle tactics.
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Perhaps some of the 'guns' Lucca uses and the 'arms' utilized by Robo are just COMPONENTS that 'transform' their weapon into "Stone Shot" or "Terra Arm", etc. You know, they are personalizing their weapons (such as Lucca making her gun capable of firing dreamstone shot). Just as we rarely see Crono and friends eat, sleep, or go potty during their adventure, we may also not see the heroes re-utilize their weapons with "upgrades".
Yeah, I was thinking of something similar after I posted last...I think that it's less that they buy the completed weaponry, but more that they mostly buy the necessary parts to build the weapons...Game mechanics just takes out the part where Lucca says, "Hey, I could use [whatever material is available] to make [whatever weapon]!", because basically that's what Zappa does in Chrono Cross to make weapons, right? I don't think they are just "upgrades" though as they're all (clearly w/the weapon art?) individual weapons...
Any who, the Dragon Tank probably got shut down after two teenagers destroyed it. If a military weapon was easily destroyed/dispatched by two teenagers here in the good ol' states, I think the military might view such weaponry as sub-par. Most likely was the case with the Dragon Tank...
Yeah, I'd assume plenty of people'd get fired.
But the technology put into the tank is obviously important. As mentioned before, lazers, flame throwers, etc. Plus, when you defeat the Dragon Tank's head, we clearly see advanced machinery beneath the plating. Also, it doesn't seem like the tank was piloted, so most likely it was unmanned and had sophisticated AI enabling it to target enemies and make proper battle tactics.
Y'know, Luccia from CC would be around back then, right? Maybe she, or her brother for that matter (who is probably a better choice actually since Luccia seems more of a biologist), had something to do w/the advanced technology too?
P.S. I quoted you three times even though I posted right after you because, well, 1) I had three points to make, so I guess it was a lil easier that way? but mainly 2) Because I had those names pop in my head! :lol:
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Actually, I finally finished up a regular New Game (no +) yesterday and, as I was running around Termina, I was thinking how near-20th century that warship was. Sure, the cannon placements were old-fashioned (looking like they were designed for pulling along side another ship and exchanging vollies), but the metal-reinforced hull and heavy mechanical look seems almost dreadnought-ish. Given that the Porre Military was able to respond to the raid on Viper Mansion so quickly in Another World implies that they have steam powered ships (yes, this one was mast and sail, but the implication was that not all were).
That is a good reason why that ship is not on par with our 20th Century vessels.. warships from 1900 onwards were outfitted with turrets, not broadside cannons, and the first ironclads and steam powered ships made their first appearance during the 1860s, i belive, such as the famous monitor and merrimac.. the British Dreadnought is nowhere near that Porre warship, it [Dreadnought] is obviously far more advanced..
Y'know, Luccia from CC would be around back then, right? Maybe she, or her brother for that matter (who is probably a better choice actually since Luccia seems more of a biologist), had something to do w/the advanced technology too?
Yeah, maybe.. Luccia also said that Lucca was a colleague, and they probably would have worked on a similar field of science for some time..