Chrono Compendium
Marbule Gallery - Completed Fan Creations => Crimson Echoes => Topic started by: Claado Shou on July 18, 2005, 10:00:26 pm
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These are the songs I have made so far.
1) Theme of Crimson Echoes ["Crimson Echoes"] - http://symphonic.herograw.com/Project%20Files/Crimson%20Echoes.mp3
2) Theme of Calasperan ["Sheltering Light"] - http://symphonic.herograw.com/Project%20Files/Sheltering%20Light.mp3
3) Theme of Dark Calasperan ["Vortices and Flame"] - http://symphonic.herograw.com/Project%20Files/Vortices%20and%20Flame.mp3
4) Theme of Dark King Zeal ["Cerulean Shadows"] - http://symphonic.herograw.com/Project%20Files/Cerulean%20Shadows.mp3
5) Theme of Battle ["Battle 3"] - http://symphonic.herograw.com/Project%20Files/Battle%203.mp3
6) Theme of Sorin ["Modus Dissonantiae"] - http://symphonic.herograw.com/Project%20Files/Modus%20Dissonantiae.mp3
7) Theme of Chronopolis ["Chronopolis"] - http://symphonic.herograw.com/Project%20Files/Chronopolis.mp3
8) Theme of Revelation ["Moment of Truth"] - http://symphonic.herograw.com/Project%20Files/Moment%20of%20Truth.mp3
9) Theme of 1 A.D. ["Peaceless Providence"] - http://symphonic.herograw.com/Project%20Files/Peaceless%20Providence.mp3
Enjoy. :)
~.C.S.~
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OMG! THAT'S MEGA AWSOME! FOR A 1:30 MIN SONG, IT ROX! Reminds me somewhat of Voldemort in Harry Potter Oo
EDIT: I was just thinking, maybe in the end it should revert back to the begining theme so them it could be looped? I mean if the theme song played in the game and you were AFK or were reading really long, the song would end at a low pitch and start out fresh without a nice looping Oo. Up to you though, just my $0.02.
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I LOVE THIS ONE. :D There's nothing else to say, it just plain rocks. :)
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Thanks you guys. :) I'll be messing with it a bit later on so that it loops, and I'll also be attempting a few other themes for Crimson Echoes. We'll see how they turn out as well.
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Hey, uh, that kicks some serious asshole man. And I normally save such remarks for when I'm referencing myself. :P
That beginning piano sounds REALLY familiar to me...But I can't place what I'm thinking of...
Well, anyways...man, it's good, I wish it was longer!
edit: *after scaring myself silly switching to another song* does the sound seem low to anyone else, or is it just me?
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I actually modeled the opening piano part after one of my all-time favorite games, Parasite Eve, which uses piano as its weapon of choice. Also, I've switched between the song and a few others, and no...it doesn't seem soft at all. In fact, it's a bit loud, which suits it.
I have a few updates...firstly, I'm going to divide the song into two separate songs and extend them both.
1) The first one will be a low-tempo version of the first 36 seconds functioning as the theme of Dark Calasperan, and will be greatly enhanced to create the mood of dread.
2) The second one will be evil Zeal's main theme, and will segue into a battle-like theme that plays during your verbal/magical intercourses with him.
Additionally, I have at least three other songs planned:
3) another battle theme for normal (perhaps boss) battles;
4) the theme for normal Calasperan, similar in style to Corridors of Time; and
5) the main theme for Crimson Echoes, much like Time's Scar or Chrono Trigger.
That is all. Commence anticipation. :):D
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I like it, but I do think that some parts could use a bit of improvement
I keep expecting some major climax at the end
However, music for a background during dialogue wouldn't necessary need a climax, but the second half of the song makes me expect a climax, so I like the idea of splitting it into two parts
Also, when you said like Time's Scar or Chrono Trigger, did mean in their styles, or a main theme like they? I don't think it should necessary follow the style of either Chrono Trigger or Time's Scar, but it would be awesome if it started out as a remix of Chrono Trigger, and ended as a remix of Time's Scar.. or if it started out with actual pieces of Chrono Trigger, went into a remix of it, and ended as a remix of Time's Scar and went into an actual piece of Time's Scar, if that makes any sense
For the actual middle of the song, I think it should be very chaotic, since that seems to be very common from what I've read of the plot; in CT you basically go to each time twice or thrice (hehe, thrice), and in CC you're constantly pushed into everything in a rush without knowing why; from what I've read of the CE plot, you probably go to each time at least 10 times by the end of the game, and so many things happen without explanation at first
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What I meant by "in the style of Time's Scar or Chrono Trigger" is, the very dramatic, swelling, powerful, cinematic introductory piece...the kind that strikes a sense of heroism into the listener. That's all.
As for a remix of the other two songs, I wasn't planning on it. In fact, I think it would be very contradictory to the idea of a new game if the songs were simple rehashes of older pieces. I like the idea of a new song, something intriguing and satisfying, introducing a new, intriguing, and satisfying game. Makes sense to me.
Yeah, the whole chaotic thing will be used as well, in the sense that the song will switch moods rapidly to portray a journey, as you described. But nothing TOO fancy. :) I'm not THAT good at music.
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What I meant by the remixes is just that CE is supposed to tie together CT and CC, and it'd be awesome if you tied together the mood of the plot into the theme (like, when the party gets seperated it'll get sad)
I'm really curious, how do you make these songs?
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Hehe, this sounds like an interview... So tell us more, Mr. Mitsuda! :lol: Hmm, maybe we should do that once the whole thing gets locked down and privatized... As we get close to releases, there could be sort of interviews or Q&A sessions where people get to ask questions to our Dream Team about the development... 8) Like one DT member a week or something. But anyway :o
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UPDATES!!!
Here are the two, (almost) loopable themes...
- Dark Calasperan's theme ["Vortices and Flame"] - http://symphonic.herograw.com/Project%20Files/Vortices%20and%20Flame.mp3
- King Zeal's theme ["Cerulean Shadows"] - http://symphonic.herograw.com/Project%20Files/Cerulean%20Shadows.mp3
I edited the volumes as well and re-tested it...now you won't be scared to death when another song comes on.
As for Shadow_Dragon's question, I use the piano roll feature in FLStudio4 to lay out the notes, which I put in by ear. I load the Edirol Orchestral VST in FLStudio4 and then select which instrument I want to utilize, and it's as easy as that. :) The mechanics of the orchestra are really what take the most effort, not the music itself.
And as for Jake, I am FAAAAAAR from Mitsuda. I don't want that label, plzkthx. Concerning interviews, sounds like a plan. Too bad I'm only a member of the Dream Team in regards to plot development, though. :D
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Hmm, I think that might be about to change. I think of you as our composer and spriter too. Eh? Eh?! :D
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Hmm, I think that might be about to change. I think of you as our composer and spriter too. Eh? Eh?! :D
I would be obliged to agree wholeheartedly with that assessment.
Too bad you haven't seen the rest of my sprites. 8)
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If you might humor me while I play the role of anadvocate, I think your songs don't yet have a "story" to tell. They subsist on their ambience only, when what they really need is a melody that sticks in the minds of listeners and tells in the language of music those curious happenings in the game as it unfolds. My suggestion is that you sit down and brainstorm a melody, on one simple instrument without non-melody accompaniment, then weave it into what you've already got. Good melodies will make your music much stronger as you work to develop the more technically challenging aspects of musical mastery.
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Well, my later songs, such as the normal Calasperan theme, will indeed depend more on melody and less on instrumentation. However, these two themes are designed to invoke a sense of dread or background, not a sense of story. I know exactly what you're saying, though, and believe me, such concerns will be addressed in upcoming songs.
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Alright...another song. This one is the theme of normal Calasperan, or some form of it. It'll get lighter and more pleasant in later revisions (i.e. tonight and tomorrow).
- Sheltered Light: http://symphonic.herograw.com/Project%20Files/Sheltering%20Light.mp3
:):):):):):):D
~.C.S.~
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AWSOME! this song is the best one yet, but it doesn't loop proparly...
It seems like it nearly do though! Maybe with some work it will :D
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It will loop right when I'm finally done with it. For now, it's less than half done. It will loop properly, believe me.
Any other comments? I'm extremely proud of this song. It's amazing, IMO. :)
~.C.S.~
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And now it's UPDATED AGAIN, at 3:21 and 3.84 MB. Enjoy!
~.C.S.~
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I'm extremely proud of this song.
And properly so...
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My understanding was that the Calasperan theme was supposed to be a remix of Zeal, seeing as that's what it is.
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Ok, sorry it took so long, but I was busy downloading Mazedude's Doom 2 ReMixes...
Thank you for increasing the volume! They all sound awesome, I can't wait to see and hear this game!
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My understanding was that the Calasperan theme was supposed to be a remix of Zeal, seeing as that's what it is.
Well, Calasperan is an off-shoot of Zeal, actually, not Zeal itself. That's why I think it deserves its own theme. Also, what's the point in making original themes if they're just remixes?
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Is it? Actually I thought I read in the plot that Calasperan was "Ancient Zeal," and that the floating city of Zeal was actually an offshoot of Calasperan, rather than the other way around.
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Jake is correct.
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Really? Well, I would personally still rather have a new theme than an old one redone, and the song is already done, so...no sense in arguing over it at this point.
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Yeah, if you want a Zeal remix, go on over to OverClocked...I hear there's one or two lying around over there :lol:
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One or two thousand...
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That reminds me of the end of Spaceballs.
"And now our review of Rocky 5...thousand."
Edit: I really like 'Sheltering Light.' The only suggestion I'd have is to make it a bit more melodic and maybe add in some more layers, but its flavor for the storyline is right on. Kudos.
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Thanks, youse guys.
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And now, the moment some of you have been waiting for...the new CE battle theme.
http://symphonic.herograw.com/Project%20Files/Battle%203.mp3
And this weekend, the CE main theme! Stay tuned!
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I like it; sounds like a duel in the heart of Atlantis.
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And this weekend, the CE main theme! Stay tuned!
Is that the one where you'd be using the part you and I talked about? :D
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Indeed, 'tis. At least, some variation on it. Good stuff.
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Can't wait to hear it =P
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Me neither, LOL :lol:
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Newest song! It isn't the main theme, which will require more thought than other more mood-inducing songs, but it is a good song nonetheless.
Modus Dissonanti (http://symphonic.herograw.com/Project%20Files/Modus%20Dissonanti.mp3) (this is the purposely-dissonant [notice name] theme of Sorin)
Just a little longer...
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Is 'Modus Dissonanti' supposed to mean 'Rhythm of Dissonance'? If that's the case, it should be 'Modus Dissonantiae'; 'Dissonantus' doesn't exist while 'Dissonantia' means 'Dissonance'..
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Is 'Modus Dissonanti' supposed to mean 'Rhythm of Dissonance'? If that's the case, it should be 'Modus Dissonantiae'; 'Dissonantus' doesn't exist while 'Dissonantia' means 'Dissonance'..
Which would then be pronounced Diss-ohn-ahn-tee-ai.
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It's a great song :) No matter how it's pronounced! :D
Can't wait for the main theme... You're killing me, Claado!
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Alright, I HAVE to resist the urge to comment on anything that is Latin and or Ancient Greek. So, back to the point at hand, yes, it was a very good piece, and would be quite fitting, if you ever figure out how to transfer those music files into the ROM.
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Alright, I HAVE to resist the urge to comment on anything that is Latin and or Ancient Greek. So, back to the point at hand, yes, it was a very good piece, and would be quite fitting, if you ever figure out how to transfer those music files into the ROM.
Give in to the dark side...you know you want to. :p
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:shock:
*smacks Hadriel* :o
*whacks Daniel upside the head with an oar before he can make the comment* :lol:
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Alright...I can change it. What's the correct name supposed to be? I want it to be right just as much as you do.
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Modus Dissonantiae
How'd you choose that title, anyway?
And why does it really matter how it's pronounced, Daniel?
Is there any real difference in pronounciation between what you said (Diss-ohn-ahn-tee-ai) and Diss-son(sun)-nahn-tee-ai? That's how I would say it, but is sluring the end of a syllable with the beginning of the next (like diss-ohn to diss-son) inferred?
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I dunno...Sorin is supposed to be a character whose mind, in essence, is "dissonant", because of his conflicting psyche. So, I figured that having that as the title made his theme much more apparent.
Plus, it sounds cool. :):)
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Are you coming closer to having that main theme done, Shou? :o
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Yeah...I'm trying to make it be theme-quality, but have the power behind it of darkness, of flame, if you will. ZeaLitY told me it should represent the idea of "crimson" and "echoes", and I'm balancing the idea of maintaining strict CT-quality style with updating it. Urgh...
Oh, and sorry, Jake-A-Roonie, but after trying to work in that idea you gave me, it didn't work out so well. I'll incorporate the progression in a later "overworld" song though, one I haven't told you guys about yet. In all, I'm planning 10 songs at the moment, so...the main theme and 4 more on the way. :)
Be patient a bit longer. It should be up sometime tonight.
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Alright...here we are, finally...
The "Chrono Trigger: Crimson Echoes" main theme: Crimson Echoes (http://symphonic.herograw.com/Project%20Files/Crimson%20Echoes.mp3).
ENJOYPLZKTHXBYE
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Crimson Echoes just plain ROCKS, dude... :D
I'll incorporate the progression in a later "overworld" song though,
...which was my original idea, no? LOL... Did I not say "this would rock as an overworld theme!" :o
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Yes, you did. But then again, you specifically implied use in the main theme. Whatever. It'll all work out in the end.
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Yeah, I know it will :)
And man, I was crackin' up at what you said a few minutes ago there... "ZeaLitY wanted the song Crimson Echoes to convey the concepts of `Crimson' and `Echoes.'" Gee, ya THINK? :lol:
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Well, what I meant by that was there are no songs in CT that maintain a general sense of flame and shadow. A few try, but they're all very ambient in nature, or battle-quality, and it was a process in itself balancing general Chrono Trigger goodness with the new ideas inherent in the project.
Otherwise, yes, I understand it was a stupid way to say what I meant. But the song makes up for it, I think.
At least, I hope so. :P
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Alright...two more songs for you. They're small additions, but nonetheless they need to be added.
Here they are:
Chronopolis (http://symphonic.herograw.com/Project%20Files/Chronopolis.mp3), the CE theme for the haven-like Chronopolis (designed to play for short periods only, in-between travel to other places I suppose)
Moment of Truth (http://symphonic.herograw.com/Project%20Files/Moment%20of%20Truth.mp3), the "sad theme" of Crimson Echoes. It was meant to play after Sorin realizes what he has become, or something to that effect.
I know they're sonically dwarfed by the other pieces, but they're not designed to be standalones. They're really just mood pieces, anyway. So yeah. Enjoy.
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Ninth song added (last night, actually...). Check first post.
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This 1 A.D. song is easily your best so far. You're starting to improve.
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This 1 A.D. song is easily your best so far. You're starting to improve.
Really? You think so? I seem to think it's lacking something, though I can't determine what it is. I think it lacks...well, I can't place my finger on it.
Personally I like Sheltering Light, but whatever.
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My thought is that we're seeing just a little too much of those strings like in the high-pitched part at the start of this song... Wind instruments might work a little better in this song, seeing that this is an overworld theme, and wind instruments do sort of subconsciously make you think "wind" and "open areas" and stuff. Just my opinion though. :?
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This 1 A.D. song is easily your best so far. You're starting to improve.
Really? You think so? I seem to think it's lacking something, though I can't determine what it is. I think it lacks...well, I can't place my finger on it.
Personally I like Sheltering Light, but whatever.
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All your work so far has the mark of a novice, but this is the first piece that managed to get away from the choppy strings and pursue a coherent melody. If you ask me what the song is "missing," I'd say:
1. A countermelody or orchestral support to flesh out the main theme. The song sounds lonely with just a handful of identifiable instruments like the upper and lower strings and the drum trying to sound like much more than they are. You started out with another plucked string instrument in the beginning, and something similar appears later on as nonmelodic support; maybe bring it back throughout the song more often and give it a meatier role in the melody. This style of song would also love to see woods and reeds. (Or you could change the character entirely by adding brass.)
2. A third section. The song has two main parts to it, a dominant theme and an emphatic follow-up, but they don't sit like a full meal by themselves. The third section would introduce new melodic ideas and add complexity to the overall theme of the piece. You would splice it in between the existing song at 1'26".
3. A couple of key shifts. At times the music sounds like it wants to go somewhere, like at 0'55"--actually you could do it in any number of places--and when this doesn't happen it diminishes the tonal depth of the song.
Your previous songs just couldn't get past the choppy strings, the lack of melody, and the fact that the instruments wouldn't come together into a unified whole. But now this latest work of yours is beginning to sound like real music, which I find encouraging! I even downloaded it with the intention of considering it for addition to my permanent library.
In any case, none of this matters. It's all academic critique. I'd rather see you continue putting your efforts into new music, leaving the songs you have already accomplished well enough alone. They're not suitable for building your skills further, and they do make an interesting measure of your progress as a composer.
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(Wow, four years later.)
Okay, what does anyone think about these tracks from Claado Shou? We're not in the music insertion phase yet, but we can decide what to do with these for now, because if we want to use some of them we'll have to ask Claado for MIDI files instead of these MP3s.
Lord J esq makes valid points on the style of these tracks, but I think some are good and okay to use. Here are the nine tracks:
- Battle 3 - http://symphonic.herograw.org/Project%20Files/Battle%203.mp3 (http://symphonic.herograw.org/Project%20Files/Battle%203.mp3)
- Cerulean Shadows - http://symphonic.herograw.org/Project%20Files/Cerulean%20Shadows.mp3 (http://symphonic.herograw.org/Project%20Files/Cerulean%20Shadows.mp3)
- Chronopolis - http://symphonic.herograw.org/Project%20Files/Chronopolis.mp3 (http://symphonic.herograw.org/Project%20Files/Chronopolis.mp3)
- Crimson Echoes - http://symphonic.herograw.org/Project%20Files/Crimson%20Echoes.mp3 (http://symphonic.herograw.org/Project%20Files/Crimson%20Echoes.mp3)
- Modus Dissonantiae - http://symphonic.herograw.org/Project%20Files/Modus%20Dissonantiae.mp3 (http://symphonic.herograw.org/Project%20Files/Modus%20Dissonantiae.mp3)
- Moment of Truth - http://symphonic.herograw.org/Project%20Files/Moment%20of%20Truth.mp3 (http://symphonic.herograw.org/Project%20Files/Moment%20of%20Truth.mp3)
- Peaceless Providence - http://symphonic.herograw.org/Project%20Files/Peaceless%20Providence.mp3 (http://symphonic.herograw.org/Project%20Files/Peaceless%20Providence.mp3)
- Sheltering Light - http://symphonic.herograw.org/Project%20Files/Sheltering%20Light.mp3 (http://symphonic.herograw.org/Project%20Files/Sheltering%20Light.mp3)
- Vortices and Flame - http://symphonic.herograw.org/Project%20Files/Vortices%20and%20Flame.mp3 (http://symphonic.herograw.org/Project%20Files/Vortices%20and%20Flame.mp3)
The tracks that I think clash with Mitsuda's style too much or that clearly fall under J esq's criticism are Cerulean Shadows, Crimson Echoes (:(), and Vortices and Flame. The others are good IMO.
Opinions/Thoughts?
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Does the CE team have a way of converting from .MP3 to MIDI? Or would you essentially be recomposing the songs in MIDI if you were to use these?
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Well I figure Claado Shou can produce MIDI versions of these tracks in whatever program he used to composed them. Not sure though. I know next to nothing about music composition on computers.
Supposedly, converting an MP3 to MIDI is possible but the results never really good-sounding (like how removing voices from songs is possible but never perfect).
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Well, we won't be able to insert these tracks I guess. I sent Claado Shou a PM on OCRemix and downloaded AIM to try to contact him a while ago, but with no success. As someone on OCRemix noted, "Claado Shou has pretty much dropped off the face of the earth. :( "
Tried some MP3 to MIDI converters too, but as expected the results are crap (you don't even recognize the original melody).
As totally original compositions, these tracks would have been nice in CE. I guess we can think of them as out-takes.