Chrono Compendium
Zenan Plains - Site Discussion => Polling => Topic started by: x_XTacTX_x on April 14, 2008, 08:10:33 pm
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Crono and Serge, allies unkown to eachother across time. I don't know How or Why they would fight, but let's just say that they did. Who would win?
Im sorry if this has already been posted before :p
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It should be Crono Vs Serge Vs Serge...CC Serge was a putz...but I guess if it's straight battle RD Serge doesn't have much of a chance unless you count one of the alternate scenarios...The Enigmatic Gigaweapon: Paradise X!!!
Anyways...Crono no contest. CC Serge only has 3 Techs and his Magic hasn't been unlocked like Crono. CC Serge just uses Elements...anyone can equip Elements. Crono also has more experience and actually FOUGHT the final battle with Lavos, unlike Serge, who just uses the Chrono Cross against the Devourer of Time...:P
Swords>"Swallows"
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Swords < Swallows
I'm sorry , I just had to disagree with you there. You bring up a good point in my little fight scene, but you're talking about a STAFF WITH BLADES ON THE END!
Making it 2 fighting styles in one.
Also, The first time many gamers played through Chrono Cross, like me they had little or no clue how to use the Chrono Cros against the Time Devourer. Thus they had to defeat it with brute force.
And on top of that, Crono wields a katana. Kendo isn't a very flexible style, and if you ever miss an attack it leaves you wides open. Kendo involves simple straight slashes (along with no stabbing), while The swallow doesn't even have a style of it's own. It's a much more flexible weapon, letting not only slashes be used, but swipes, stabs, and it gives you much more leverage in a grappling situation.
So, yeah. >:U
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Zidane Tribal from Final Fantasy IX used "Thieves Blades" or something of the sort, and they looked an awful lot like Swallows. But remember... A Swallow is pretty much a bladed oar. So you can fight with them AND you can win a canoe race against Korcha.
CHA-CHA-CHA!
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you're talking about a STAFF WITH BLADES ON THE END!
No, we're talking about a freaking SHARPENED OAR!!!
Making one gay weapon for one gay tropical-themed douchebag.
Also, The first time many gamers played through Chrono Cross, like me they had little or no clue how to use the Chrono Cros against the Time Devourer. Thus they had to defeat it with brute force.
Yeah, I was speaking canon-ically...?
And on top of that, Crono wields a katana.
Not all of Crono's weapons are straight-up katanas...
Aeon Blade/Ancient Sword
(http://www.chronocompendium.com/images/wiki/9/9c/Aeon_Blade.png)
AlloyBlade/Diamond Sword
(http://www.chronocompendium.com/images/wiki/3/3f/AlloyBlade.png)
Demon Edge/Zanmatou (Demon Killer Knife)
(http://www.chronocompendium.com/images/wiki/a/ae/Demon_Edge.png)
Flint Edge/Mammoth Sword
(http://www.chronocompendium.com/images/wiki/8/8d/Flint_Edge.png)
Star Sword/Sky King Sword
(http://www.chronocompendium.com/images/wiki/d/d1/Star_Sword.png)
not to mention...
A MOP!!!
(http://www.chronocompendium.com/images/wiki/f/f5/Mop.png)
So, as you can see, Crono is a master at various sword types, not just teh katana...or, at the very least, he's skilled enough to modify his own style to suite various weapons.
Zidane Tribal from Final Fantasy IX used "Thieves Blades" or something of the sort, and they looked an awful lot like Swallows. But remember... A Swallow is pretty much a bladed oar.
You beat me to the punch on the oar thing because I was looking for all those damned images (there should be a page for images of each specific type of weapon)...and Zidane's Thief Blades were more two daggers attached at the bottom of the hilt...which I think are a touch cooler than CC Serge's sharpened oars...though nowhere near as cool as Zidane double fisting daggers! Why that wasn't his ultimate weapon, I'll never know...V_V
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Well, BWAAAAAH. T_T
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You beat me to the punch on the oar thing because I was looking for all those damned images (there should be a page for images of each specific type of weapon)...and Zidane's Thief Blades were more two daggers attached at the bottom of the hilt...which I think are a touch cooler than CC Serge's sharpened oars...though nowhere near as cool as Zidane double fisting daggers! Why that wasn't his ultimate weapon, I'll never know...V_V
Agreed. A million billion times over. The dual daggers were so much cooler than the Thief Blades... I remember finally getting the Ultima Weapon (I think that's what it was called in FFIX) and finding it a huge disappointment. Then I went and kicked Ozma's spherical ass.
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... Ok Crono wins I am sorry.
Crono has luminare and so much more.
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Not to mention Crono has a multi-hit attack.
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But in Serge's defense... He DOES have the Mastermune on his side, and that WOULD truly come in handy. Those Critical Hits in rapid succession could cause some real damage.
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But in Serge's defense... He DOES have the Mastermune on his side, and that WOULD truly come in handy. Those Critical Hits in rapid succession could cause some real damage.
Yeah... well Crono has teh Shiva Edge; 4x damage on critical.
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Serge would win, as he is the Arbiter of the Frozen Flame. The arbiter can use the Frozen Flame. Serge's Strongest Tech is stronger than Crono's. If Serge is at 99* we won't even have a fight. Serge will just rape Chrono. Not only is Luminaire Serge's lvl 5 tech skill, but you still have to deal with his high level magics like Holy light and Saints, not to mention he's going to peg Crono up to 6 times before even launching a skill. Plus that, Serge's master weapon is a STRONGER version of Masamune, and is a lot stronger then Then Crono's rainbow gear.
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And I bet Schala would be more likely to aide Serge than Crono, seeing as how her "intervention" pretty much shaped a significant amount of Chrono Cross.
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Don't forget about crono Prims Specs and Rainbow
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Serge would win, as he is the Arbiter of the Frozen Flame. The arbiter can use the Frozen Flame.
Yeah, because we all saw how well using the Frozen Flame went for Serge...>_> Being the Arbiter just allowed him access to the room in which the Frozen Flame was housed in Chronopolis. As Lynx proved, anyone with his form could've gained access.
Serge's Strongest Tech is stronger than Crono's.
Oh what planet are you getting that information?
If Serge is at 99* we won't even have a fight. Serge will just rape Chrono.
Yeah, because being able to summon's really going to help Serge...Crono's Lvl ** means more than Serge's.
Not only is Luminaire Serge's lvl 5 tech skill, but you still have to deal with his high level magics like Holy light and Saints, not to mention he's going to peg Crono up to 6 times before even launching a skill.
Yeah, Serge's Luminaire is obviously a watered down version and is just plainly an entirely different Tech. By "high level magics", you mean Chrono Cross Elements, which ANYONE can equip! That last bit is just game mechanics...that's basically for an CT's Active Time Battle system Vs CC's Cross Sequence Battle system discussion...I don't know how you can apply that to a battle between the two of them...
Plus that, Serge's master weapon is a STRONGER version of Masamune, and is a lot stronger then Then Crono's rainbow gear.
Says who?
Attack: 220
Stat Increase: 122
Base Critical Hit Rate: 70%
Attack: +23
Hit %: +4%
Special: High critical hit rate
Or, like mentioned...
Attack: 170
Stat Increase: 95
Base Critical Hit Rate: 7%
Effects: 4x damage on critical hit
Add to that the fact that Crono knows almost 3x as many actual Techs than Serge and has access to actual Magic...Serge is simply left in the dust.
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Serge would win, as he is the Arbiter of the Frozen Flame. The arbiter can use the Frozen Flame. Serge's Strongest Tech is stronger than Crono's. If Serge is at 99* we won't even have a fight. Serge will just rape Chrono. Not only is Luminaire Serge's lvl 5 tech skill, but you still have to deal with his high level magics like Holy light and Saints, not to mention he's going to peg Crono up to 6 times before even launching a skill. Plus that, Serge's master weapon is a STRONGER version of Masamune, and is a lot stronger then Then Crono's rainbow gear.
THANK YOU.
You see, you have the ability to also outfit Serge with Rainbow armour entirely, and if I remmber correctly in trigger you are only given the choice of one rainbow dress or three rainbow helms.
And if I may add one more thing, Crono's element in lightning. In the world of CC, that would make him a yellow innate and all Serge would have to do is equip the Yellow Plate. ANd I'm guessing if he's maxed out, that you've just finished a New Game + and that you've got to have at least one.
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Is real magic more powerful them elements, never is it stated that it is. And anyone could use it, but Crono doesn't, Any one could use a gun but many don't.
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f I remmber correctly in trigger you are only given the choice of one rainbow dress or three rainbow helms.
You can Charm more from Zeal's final form's hands...and Crono doesn't wear dresses!!!
And if I may add one more thing, Crono's element in lightning. In the world of CC, that would make him a yellow innate and all Serge would have to do is equip the Yellow Plate.
We don't have any idea if or how Magic Elements of CT correlates to the Dragonian Elements of CC. In fact, Crono's Element is Heaven, which, by your logic would make him a White & Yellow combo. And I don't recall Serge being able to get a Light Yellow plate, do you? :P
Is real magic more powerful them elements, never is it stated that it is.
I don't see how the one-shot Dragonian Elements could be more powerful than actual Magic...*shrugs* I suppose you could make a case if you wanted though...
And anyone could use it, but Crono doesn't
It's said in CC even a child can equip an Element...we don't know that Crono doesn't use them because we never see him in the world where the Dragonians had come into play to make the Elements available in the first place...But if Serge & Crono are going to fight, it'd have to be during Serge's time, right? So Elements would be completely available to both of them.
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There's only one true way to settle this:
Get Masato Kato and Akira Toriyama to play the new Card Sagas game. Toriyama can be Crono, and Kato could be Serge.
V_Translanka, you put up many good points and show great knowledge, and I admire that, but that is the only way we could TRULY know. I mean, who better to play then the character's designer's right?
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1) I don't know wtf that is...2) why pit Toriyama, the character designer for Crono in Trigger versus Kato, basically the story planner for both games? What kind of sense would that make? I'm guessing it was mostly a jokey post though...but still...w/e...
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1) Card Sagas Wars. A bunch of people ar eusing the fighting game creator "Gaiden" to make a fighting game with an ASSLOAD of game charcters, several of which include Chrono characters.
2) My bad, I meant to say Nobuteru Yuki. :/
And yeah, I know it wouldn't really make any sense that way, I was just kidding around.
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I'm for Chrono.. i don't see any advantages there is in elements over inherent magic, other than you could strike with different elements, and is therefore more versatile.. But i think as a character Serge wins.. Chrono is your typical muscular guy who just decides to save the world, not much of a back story around him, unlike Serge..
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Unlike Serge who's an emotionless husk & a terrible douche? Like I've said for years now...at least Crono had a fuggin surprised sprite!
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Unlike Serge who's an emotionless husk & a terrible douche? Like I've said for years now...at least Crono had a fuggin surprised sprite!
oh, yeah, i forgot about Chrono's surprised sprite.. oh well, both were undeniably mute, no, just silent, protagonists who barely had a personality, but still...,
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Unlike Serge who's an emotionless husk & a terrible douche? Like I've said for years now...at least Crono had a fuggin surprised sprite!
oh, yeah, i forgot about Chrono's surprised sprite.. oh well, both were undeniably mute, no, just silent, protagonists who barely had a personality, but still...,
What if they were both Robots?
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I've always believed that the power of a character is representative of whom is playing him. There is the obvious distinction that some characters are clearly better than others, and in RPGs stats are easy to figure out, I'm aware, but when comparing separate games with styles as different as trigger and cross, it really comes down to the skill of the person manipulating them, and setting them up for battle, since really, not everything has a canon. What level are either at when the player finishes the game? It'll vary depending on who is in control of the character.
I did however, vote for Chrono, since even with Magus on the team, he was my go to guy. (Unless I was fighting Zeal or Dalton, in which case I would put Frog and Ayla on the team...) Serge failed at this in Cross. He didn't clearly surpass my Glenn until new game plus, at which point I chose to go with saving Kid, and Glenn obviously fell into disuse.
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Obviously if we're kitting out Serge as best as possible (and disregarding Elements), we're running either the White or Yellow Plate (depends on your opinion), Mastermune, Sunglasses, Moonglasses, and one other accessory of our choice. Maybe a second set of Sunglasses, though how he's wearing three pair of glasses at the same time, I have no idea (it ranks up there with only being allowed one earring, though :D).
If he's limited to either the Sunglasses or Moonglasses, we go with the Moon ones and fight a much more defensive battle - which means the Chrono Cross to recharge elements once, a metric asston of Recharges as well (mostly to recharge the Chrono Cross :D), a bunch of healing elements, and Saints (which, while it'll do lousy damage to Crono, will still heal Serge back up to full). The other two accessories in this case are a pair of Defender Pluses or Winged Shoes, mostly for the Evade +24/36% (sorry, but Def+6/MDef+4 isn't gonna do much here compared to an extra 1-in-4 or 1-in-3 chance of an attack completely missing; it might make up for the 12% difference between the two setups, though).
Yes, I know, this will come across as a pansy-ass method of fighting, especially for those people who found Pierre in CC absolutely without merit (never mind that Pierre, properly equipped, has 42%+ in Evade). At least I'm not suggesting giving Serge Ghetz's Shirt and 3x Winged Shoes, for Evade 104%...
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we're running either the White or Yellow Plate (depends on your opinion)
It would also be taking into account that Serge would somehow have to know ahead of time what Crono's Magic was and what it would correspond to as an Elemental Innate...and whether or not that would even factor in to either Plate's effectiveness.
Sunglasses, Moonglasses...Maybe a second set of Sunglasses, though how he's wearing three pair of glasses at the same time, I have no idea (it ranks up there with only being allowed one earring, though Very Happy).
Uh, he can't...you can't even equip both the Sunglasses & Moonglasses at the same time, much less a second set of either.
Chrono Cross to recharge elements once
If you think that the Plates would help somehow, then Crono's Techs (or his own set of Elements) would certainly disrupt the Elemental Field...so the Chrono Cross would be a waste of time...
Because like I've said before...Any Element Serge can equip, Crono can...and probably better...! :P
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Chrono Cross to recharge elements once
If you think that the Plates would help somehow, then Crono's Techs (or his own set of Elements) would certainly disrupt the Elemental Field...so the Chrono Cross would be a waste of time...
Because like I've said before...Any Element Serge can equip, Crono can...and probably better...! :P
The obvious exception being the Chrono Cross itself - and the entire purpose of it here is a one-shot "recharge all elements" (though, obviously, with the Recharges, he's getting it back repeatedly until he runs out - this gives him ~30 uses of everything he's got). It then becomes a battle of attrition - can Serge run Crono out of MP and Elements before Serge runs out of Elements to use? Serge has the (dubious, and only potential) advantage of summons, obviously - since we can't even agree on what innate Crono would be under the CC system, it's entirely possible that he can't use any of them because his innate doesn't directly match any of the existing ones (in which case the Plates are definitely useless, and we can either resort to the Ghetz's Shirt + 3x Winged Shoes for Evade +104% strategy [assuming Serge managed to find the Shirt hiding under a Gameshark, ha ha] or a Prism Vest).
If Crono's got a known innate, we have a 50-50 chance of being correct on it and thereby making the battle extremely long (especially if Crono is also innate White - at that point, it's basically "Serge resorts to an Imbecile/Genius/off-color element/CC or Recharge cycle" if not an outright draw) or being wrong and thereby requiring some manner of re-using high-powered healing Elements (HolyHealing, Saints, etc.). Since if he's wrong, the worst case is Yellow Plate vs. White Crono (Saints is effectively useless other than for healing purposes and may just be a "reset battle" button in the absolute worst case), Serge has no reason to use anything other than a White Plate (mostly useless against Yellow Crono, moderately helpful against White Crono, and against "Canary" Crono... about the same as Yellow Crono). TurnWhite is always an option to force Crono's physical attacks to heal you in this case, though again, Serge would need to be able to change it repeatedly. The Turn<color> Elements are useless to Crono except for the purpose of removing TurnWhite.
The other effect of the Chrono Cross, which is based on the element order, is entirely irrelevant to this fight, unless you're trying to imply that Crono is himself the Time Devourer. :D
Really, it looks like more likely than not it'd end in a draw (read: they get bored after an extremely long time of not really doing anything in the way of damage that lasts more than 3-4 rounds).
So, ideal setups for Serge to at least force a draw:
Mastermune in all setups
Elements: Imbecile, Numble, Nimble, BatEye, HiRes, MagNegate, assorted healing (including Saints), lots of Recharges, Chrono Cross, possibly Unicorn solely for MDef boosting
Evasion Setup: Ghetz's Shirt, 3x Winged Shoes; replace Nimble and BatEye with additional healing
Element-Using Setup: White Plate, Moonglasses, 2x Winged Shoes; add assorted attack elements and TurnWhite
Full Attack Setup: White Plate, Sunglasses, 2x Dragoon's Glory; add Strengthen, LoRes, EagleEye, TurnWhite
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Uh-oh! Crono had a White Plate too! Looks like Serge is screwed.
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Just because any can use elements doesn't mean they will or even effectively. Plus was the elements just the equivalent to magic from the Reptite realm? That would mean they're just as good as the other.
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Uh, no...They were created via the "Power Spots" found in El Nido (which would mean, what? they're some byproduct of Chronopolis creating El Nido?)...And yeah, just because they can doesn't mean they would...but in this instance you might as well say they will if you're going to go off of a specific equipment set-up for their battle against one another...
And, also, would Serge still have the Chrono Cross anyways...? I don't think he would...But since this is a ridiculous scenario anyways, maybe you're (MDenham) thinking that it's taking place in that small window when Serge got the Chrono Cross and then used it on the Devourer of Time? I suppose it's debatable what happened afterwords...probably depending on where you stand in regards to the merge or something...
I still say Crono did more and is more skilled (not limited to just what he did, but certainly a majority of it).
Defeating Lavos>Playing a song at the Devourer of Time
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Didn't they say that each represented an element of the earth? The dragonians created them to channel that power JUST LIKE ZEAL. That would mean Elements are the power of the planet and Magic is the power of the person, two sides of the same coin.
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I don't remember them saying that...Maybe you could refresh me w/a specific quote? I remember them saying that they each Dragon had corresponding stars and that the White Dragon was represented by the moon (& Harle by the red moon)...But I don't recall them saying that the Dragonian Elements represented elements of the earth...
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Steena:
As you may well know, the
natural world is composed of
a balance of the 6 Elements.
These Elements are...
White, black, red, blue,
green, and yellow.
Each one pairs up with another
to maintain the balance which
the natural world relies upon.
Direa:
The gods that represent
each Element are called the
'"Dragon Gods."'
Since they symbolize the
powers of nature, they are
also commonly referred to
as the '"Gods of Nature."'
Steena:
If the sun is white,
the shadow is black...
The flame red and
the water blue...
Green are the leaves of the
forest and the blowing winds.
Yellow are the forces of
mother earth.
I maybe interpreting this wrong but that was my impression .
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Even though I'd normally pick Serge as a matter of favoritism, but I came to a conclusion. Even if Serge's moves are more powerful, he can only do them once. Twice with Riddel. But If you give Crono the gold stud, he can do Luminaire countless times.
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Kebrel, that seems to be saying that each Dragon just represents one of the Elements...and that they symbolize the powers of nature...I guess that can be interpreted in the way you were saying...But I don't know if I'd say they were the equivalent of the 4 element CT Magic system...
But If you give Crono the gold stud, he can do Luminaire countless times.
Not to mention Crono doesn't have to allocate his Items, HA! Ethers+Gold Stud+Confuse/Luminaire=Nigh Infinite Death for Serge...
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Or if you want to go more towards endurance and not strike with all your magic, you could give him the green dream. Not to mention both Life 1 and 2 are a lot better than revive. Plus, if Serge runs out of revive elements, he can't rely on items for it.
This is weird, I'm putting up reasons for the character who I don't want to win, but think he would win.
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Uh, how would Life or Revive Elements help either of them...? You can't cast either if you're KO'd...>_>
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True. All the more reason to use the green dream.
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Was there an accessory in CC that revived the user when they died? I think I recall something like that...
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Not that I recall. Unless I missed it.
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Was there an accessory in CC that revived the user when they died? I think I recall something like that...
Nope; just went over the accessory list...
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I definitely think Crono would win... Especially if he has the Rainbow.
But then again, it all depends on who attacks first. Crono has to wait to attack, but Serge can just go right on ahead and whoop his ass three times before Crono can fight back. And finish with an element.
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Yeah, but then we're not talking about Crono vs Serge, but ATB vs CSB...I mean, are we talking the two characters or the two game's mechanics?
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Yeah, but then we're not talking about Crono vs Serge, but ATB vs CSB...I mean, are we talking the two characters or the two game's mechanics?
It seems so... When I made this topic, I really wasn't thinking that way but it's what everyone else has been talking about.
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True, but yet we still have 4 pages of discussion on the matter, so who gives a rat's patootie!
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True, but yet we still have 4 pages of discussion on the matter, so who gives a rat's patootie!
Rat's Patootie indeed.
But if we're talking about gameplay mechanics, then Serge would have 1 turn to defeat Crono. Otherwise, he'd be low on stamina and die. >D
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Game mechanics wise Crono wins on a 1v1 but Serge would definitely win on 3v3 BECAUSE of the stamina bars. (I <3 exploiting)
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Hmm, I wonder what Fargo could steal from Crono.
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Hmm, I wonder what Fargo could steal from Crono.
Hair Gel, most likely. Or that kickass Headband.
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Hmm, I wonder what Fargo could steal from Crono.
Hair Gel, most likely. Or that kickass Headband.
...or his handy, dandy mop! :mrgreen:
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...or his secret stash of Ether!
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...or his secret stash of Ether!
...he ain't made out of ethers, yo!
(sensing V's going to be here any moment...)
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Maybe they would steal his cat.
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Fargo could steal all of Crono's possesions, but he can't steal his FIGHTING SPIRIT!!!
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Crono can use a mop?!!!!!!!!!
He seems to be a sure bet.
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Crono can use a mop?!!!!!!!!!
He seems to be a sure bet.
Never subestimate the power of bleach!!!
:lol:
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Crono also probably has more experience with the whole hero thing.
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Crono also probably has more experience with the whole hero thing.
Crono can also defeat Serge in a soda-guzzling contest quite easily, i'm sure.
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Oh yeah, definetly! But what I wanna know is...
What kinda soda cause if it's Dew, I'm iffy on if he could really be called hero cause I can down some Dews fast.
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It's Cider! :B
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Beer or saki, it's all the same to Crono. Serge would drink sea water because Leena told him to & end up dying.
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Wait a sec...
You just proved it, If Leena said kill Crono then Crono wouldn't have a chance against Serge. After all he was told to do it.
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You missed the main point though in that Leena only asks Serge to do stupid things that can get him killed.
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It been stated the the idea of them fighting is stupid and ridiculous, and that he would get killed. so that mean Lenna would send him and he would survive.
Hah! beat that circular logic :D
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Translanka was saying she sends him to do something and Serge dies.
Go kill Crono.
With Serge usually succeeding but dying immediatey, the most that could happen would be a draw.
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She sends him to go kill baby dragons for a goddamn necklace...Both of them are obviously mentally disabled (or at least Serge is so whipped his mind is addled regardless).
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No wonder the Dragon God wants Serge dead.
To think it all started with what sounded like an innocent request, but truth be told, Leena is an evil mastermind!
"Kill the Komodos! Kill every last one of them! *insert maniacal evil laugh here*"
Sadly, Serge cannot speak and refuse. Maybe that's why he doesn't speak, because he's so whipped by everyone(especially Leena)that he cannot decide for himself, others decide for him.
Serge would make a great campaign for the anti drug commercials!
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Sadly, Serge cannot speak and refuse. Maybe that's why he doesn't speak, because he's so whipped by everyone(especially Leena)that he cannot decide for himself, others decide for him.
Oh no, he can, it's just that she'll continually ask until his brain (what's left of it) turns to mush and he caves.
To be fair, the same thing happens to Crono with Marle...but it's for slightly more important things...like preventing the destruction of the future at the hands of an alien entity.
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That sounds like a better reason then what Serge has. Serge doesn't even truely know what he's doing until much later in the game. Until then he's following people all while hoping along the way he might find a way out of his troubles. Of course Kid is also a problem to Serge, constantly blabbing to kill Lynx, when it's her problem and not his.
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Serge's troubles: he escapes the bitch (Leena), his lame ass fishing town & his boring mom (Crono's mom was a thousand times more interesting), finds a much better girl (Kid), and all-around gets in a lot of minor adventures that don't even compare to the history-altering events Crono & Co. bare witness to...If only he had just said, "Nope! I don't care about the Frozen Flame or why I'm dead here and shit's all different! This could only end in a mindfuck and I have precious little left to me!" But alas, like you said ONSLAUGHT, he's a goddamn pushover.
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Well Serge was stranded in Another World for a while, so he felt utterly alone and confused, thus why he followed Kid and such around. He was tagging along because he didn't really have anywhere else to go.
But at the point when he COULD go home he was already rapped up in the affairs of his comrades (and got the ball rolling) and I think he felt a natural concern to stay with his newfound friends and help them see THEIR problems through ('til the end).
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And then the ending pops in where the characters all give speeches about how they realize that they need to solve their own problems and that they will do so. And so Serge realizes his helping them only resulted in them realizing they never needed him around in the first place, and Serge learns he was a waste of time in one world and a slave in the other world. :P Life doesn't sound too good for Serge. I mean, he DID get to save Schala but unless he enjoys killing and slaughtering for his own amusement, that was really all HE got out of Chrono Cross. Kid gets the goods and Serge gets raped mentally AND physically!
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Let's not forget that Serge gets a swift kick to the crotch if you agree when Korcha asks to marry Kid.
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Oh yeah, that couldn't have been too fun either. :lol:
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Well.....seeing as Serge is an utter failure as a character, I'm pretty sure Crono would beat the crap out of him
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Well.....seeing as Serge is an utter failure as a character, I'm pretty sure Crono would beat the crap out of him
What, so just because he can't use things like the Gold stud and needs objects for his magic instantly means he's pathetic?
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OK. Here's what it comes down to.
Who's Luminaire is quicker? Crono takes about 3 seconds, Serge takes about 7 seconds. Plus Crono's Luminaire is a more powerful version(more powerful than even the Arrow thing Serge has, so yeah...).
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OK. Here's what it comes down to.
Who's Luminaire is quicker? Crono takes about 3 seconds, Serge takes about 7 seconds. Plus Crono's Luminaire is a more powerful version(more powerful than even the Arrow thing Serge has, so yeah...).
But For Crono, Luminare is his strongest attack and can't get any higher than that when it comes to magic. On Serge as well as Flying arrow you have things like Ultra nova, Saints, etc. I personally believe Crono would win over all, but I think Serge could definitely put up a great challenge for him.
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Where is this Chrono's Luminare is stronger coming from, there two diffrent systems. I would say it most reasonable to say they are equal strength, after all its the same spell.
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Cast the spells on Ozzie, Slash, and Flea. They're in both. Crono's Luminaire tears them apart. Serge's just... meh. His arrow is closer to Crono's Luminaire in terms of damage. And even with this, Serge is limited to one use of each of these spells in the battle while as Crono has multiple uses of his stuff. Crono can restore his magic easily. Serge, has to go to a lot more trouble to restore his elements.
But I agree with Delta Dragon, Serge COULD put up a grand fight. But overall... I still say Crono. Plus, even with magic out of the way. Look at Serge's range of sword techniques. Compare to Crono. Serge has about 8 different slashes. Crono has about 20. Top this off with Serge's average speed and Crono's "I'm Sonic the Hedgehog" fast speed.
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Cast the spells on Ozzie, Slash, and Flea. They're in both. Crono's Luminaire tears them apart. Serge's just... meh. His arrow is closer to Crono's Luminaire in terms of damage. And even with this, Serge is limited to one use of each of these spells in the battle while as Crono has multiple uses of his stuff. Crono can restore his magic easily. Serge, has to go to a lot more trouble to restore his elements.
That's one of the main reasons I think Crono would win. Magic reusable, and CT has items like the gold stud and the Rainbow.
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Well.....seeing as Serge is an utter failure as a character, I'm pretty sure Crono would beat the crap out of him
Oh, yeah, thanks, appreciate it.
Oh, and this is my first post in... well, a while.
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Opinions and bias aside, I think Crono is a stronger character than Serge. Physically, he would be able to overpower and even kill Serge.
BUT
Serge would just come back several years later traveling from another dimension (and probably have his body switched with a cat-man who would just kill Crono in his sleep) or something.
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Opinions and bias aside, I think Crono is a stronger character than Serge. Physically, he would be able to overpower and even kill Serge.
BUT
Serge would just come back several years later traveling from another dimension (and probably have his body switched with a cat-man who would just kill Crono in his sleep) or something.
But then wouldn't Crono appear from the past and kill this other dimension Serge? This battle has no winner. The process would continue forever.
Crono wins.
Serge comes from Dimension.
Serge wins.
Crono comes from Past.
Crono wins.
Serge comes from Dimension.
Serge wins.
Crono comes from Past.
Crono wins.
No end to it.
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No end to it.
Just like this thread :lol:
:kz
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No end to it.
Assuming there is an infinite quantity of dimensions, and Crono is immortal and as strong as the one who started the fight.
Considering the latter is imposible, Serge may have the advantage in this.
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Well, keep in mind also thanks to time travel, Crono can also pull a Timesplitters Future Perfect move on Serge. create paradoxal clones of himself and gain up on Serge. If he did that, then they'd be even again ro Crono would have the advantage because he'll have to eliminate multiple Cronos in their sleep. In fact, point Crono with that since he could have all but one or two sleep and then Serge has to deal with them. The swords clanging would wake up the others and Serge would get screwed.
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Well, keep in mind also thanks to time travel, Crono can also pull a Timesplitters Future Perfect move on Serge. create paradoxal clones of himself and gain up on Serge. If he did that, then they'd be even again ro Crono would have the advantage because he'll have to eliminate multiple Cronos in their sleep. In fact, point Crono with that since he could have all but one or two sleep and then Serge has to deal with them. The swords clanging would wake up the others and Serge would get screwed.
If Crono is using time travel why go to all the trouble of getting copies of himself, and just find a way to completely erase Serge from history?
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Because then a new Serge will come from yet another dimension.
No end to it.
Hell yes. I just quoted myself. :lol:
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Crono wins...
I mean come on.
Time for shameless promotion...
This is why they should never have made Cross with new characters. This is exactly why CT: A was made... GO CHECK IT OUT!!!
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I win. always.
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Serge has more than 40 partners while Crono has only 6.
:lol:
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I don't think the other party members count in this one. It is, after all, an one-on-one. Though if they were allowed...
I'm not sure if numbers is what would determine the winning side, unless it was really the 44 vs. 7 at the same time, maybe.
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Yeah, but even with 44 VS 7, the 44 are all kinda weaker compared to the 7. Luccia is the disciple of Lucca. therefore Lucca would clearly cream her. Frog and Glenn? Glenn learned his stuff from Dario, who probably looked up Frog's moves(they are similar all 3 character's moves). Etc, etc, etc. Yeah, some Cross characters actually are tougher, but a lot of them not so much. I mean, what's Greco or Macha gonna do? They're slow and close range fighters. They take one step, CT cast would just cast some magic that'd obliterate them on sight. Only the bigger Cross characters actually would prove more of a threat. Plus CC characters have 3 moves, and once they're used, whether they hit or not, they're used for good. CT's cast all have about 8-10 moves, and they can use them very often. CC characters can restore their elements, not easily though. Very hard to do and they can only do it 1-3 times I'd say. CT can simply use a restoration item and they're back. And these items are easy to come by and so they have about a million in stock. Even with the amount of number, quality over quantity.
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When I voted on this a year and a half ago (or so) I chose Serge. I wish I could remember why...
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Well.....seeing as Serge is an utter failure as a character, I'm pretty sure Crono would beat the crap out of him
What, so just because he can't use things like the Gold stud and needs objects for his magic instantly means he's pathetic?
yes :lol:
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Well.....seeing as Serge is an utter failure as a character, I'm pretty sure Crono would beat the crap out of him
What, so just because he can't use things like the Gold stud and needs objects for his magic instantly means he's pathetic?
yes :lol:
Okay, care to elaborate as to why?
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How bout this: Crono's actions in-game are deliberate. Serge's are accidental. Crono jumps head-first into action, and Serge just kind of gets dragged into it. Plus, Crono knows how to chug!
In fact, if the two ever fought, I'd go as far as to say that Crono would start said fight.
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How bout this: Crono's actions in-game are deliberate. Serge's are accidental. Crono jumps head-first into action, and Serge just kind of gets dragged into it. Plus, Crono knows how to chug!
In fact, if the two ever fought, I'd go as far as to say that Crono would start said fight.
I'm not asking why Crono would win, I voted for him myself. I'm asking why Ishitox thinks that Serge is an "utter failure."
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Ahhhh. I understand now.
Well, that all depends on the player, I guess. If you couldn't beat the game, Serge would be an utter failure to you, too. :lol:
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Thanks a bunch you guys. Really. Thanks alot. 'Ppreciate it.
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Hey, don't worry IAS. If you never beat CT, Crono would seem to be an utter failure to you, too. :lol:
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To be honest I don't quite see how not beating a game makes them an utter failure. I mean, wouldn't that be more your fault than theirs? But whatever.
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That's exactly what I said. They would seem like a failure to you, the player.
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Well.....seeing as Serge is an utter failure as a character, I'm pretty sure Crono would beat the crap out of him
What, so just because he can't use things like the Gold stud and needs objects for his magic instantly means he's pathetic?
yes :lol:
Okay, care to elaborate as to why?
Not really. And yes I know I sound like an asshole. Apologies to you sir. :oops: