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Title: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on July 01, 2006, 03:49:24 pm
I'm sick and tired of certain quirks. Post them here.

The :P tongue smiley.

Using the word "said" to describe something presented earlier in a sentence. "...a bulk of the character information be moved to said article and..." it comes off as totally pretentious to me.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Chrono'99 on July 01, 2006, 03:56:22 pm
The tongue smiley is fine for me. I don't like the ^_^, oO, -____- kind of smileys though...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Shadow_Dragon on July 01, 2006, 08:24:45 pm
I hate when people list "music" as an interest; EVERYONE LIKES SOME FORM OF MUSIC! Saying that you like music doesn't describe anything about your personality. Well actually, I do have a friend that actually doesn't listen to any form of music, but I assume that's insanely rare.

Similarly, I also hate people who read manga or watch anime JUST because it's manga/anime, not because it's good or anything

Hmm.. and when people say "------ and I" no matter where it is in the sentence. I don't have the same hate towards people making other grammar mistakes because when people say "----- and I", they specifically think that they're avoiding the 'error' of saying "------ and me". Actually, I almost enjoy saying stuff like "Can you come to the mall with Crono and me?" so that, in the rare case that someone tries to correct me by saying "it's 'Crono and I'", I can be like "WTF EHOIFHI IT'S THE OBJECT OF A PREPOSITION, NOT NOMINATIVE"... It's never happened, though, and I kind of have stopped caring when I see it in video games or in books
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on July 01, 2006, 09:50:30 pm
I hate injustice or perceived injustice. I know that sounds generic and maybe even trite, but if I'm talking about actual emotions of hatred rather than the tongue-in-cheek stuff some of the other are people posting here, nothing does it more for me than seeing something that isn't right. For a pop culture reference, the backstory of Lisa Trevor from Resident Evil is an excellent example. For a real-world example, something like this (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1110AP_Men_Surviving_Blackness.html?source=mypi) might come to mind.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Hadriel on July 01, 2006, 10:02:30 pm
Certain laws of physics, mainly conservation of energy, special relativity, and whatever law says I can't stab morons in the face over the Internet.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: kian on July 01, 2006, 11:12:21 pm
i hate internet slang annd people that try to write with numbers.  n00b, teh, and pwn are just a few examples.  i actually feel embarrassed for people that write like that.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on July 02, 2006, 01:08:00 am
I hate people that actually say internet slang in real life, like n00b. No, I mean it, people actually call each other n00bs in real life. Yeah, it sickens me too.

I hate people that hate things because of the time era, or where it comes from, rather than what they actually think of it.

I hate people that judge people only on looks.

I hate people that just say "racist" or "sexist" at anything even slightly related to race or sex. I hate it when people automatically assume that any shit that happens to them is because of race or sex. I hate masculinism or feminism, I'm more for a shared sex...is...m. I hate how Law and Order usually has some crime or something related to race, and how all the black guys go "it's because I'm black, right." Goddamn script writers.

I hate shitty anime. A lot. Good anime is REALLY good, like great classics, such as Akira and Evangelion.

I hate people that say "well it's MY/YOUR opinion." This reminds me of Maddox:
(http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/opinion1.gif)

Yep, now I'm done.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Exodus on July 02, 2006, 03:08:01 am
Certain laws of physics, mainly conservation of energy, special relativity, and whatever law says I can't stab morons in the face over the Internet.

I can agree with this.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ClayAKAMe on July 02, 2006, 03:18:54 am
I hate people who have the time to think about small things that they hate like I hate people who use the word mayonnaise.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Magus068 on July 02, 2006, 08:37:38 am
I hate word murders!!!!  Especially lol & noobs.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on July 02, 2006, 10:02:53 am
People that put Chrono related stuff on the General Boards.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on July 02, 2006, 10:49:43 pm
I hate the smug, elitist attitude that pervades Wikipedia.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: CyberSarkany on July 03, 2006, 09:30:43 am
I hate ignorant people -> 1.:"Why isn't 2 saying anything?", 2.:"Who cares?", 1.:"Yeah, right,"   ---->this really happend

I hate people hating people(haha) without a "real" reason.

I hate people who judge people because of stupid reasons like sex("It's because she is female"), age("you are to young to argue with us") or race(nor example here without me going mad)[prejudices?].

I hate people in general.

I hate me repeating myself...

Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ClayAKAMe on July 03, 2006, 09:00:31 pm
I hate.... hey look a cookie.... ok I HATE COOKIES
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Magus22 on July 05, 2006, 02:24:08 am
I hate this topic.

I also hate this . . . thing        :jiraiya:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ClayAKAMe on July 05, 2006, 02:27:57 am
I still don't know what that is but I hate people who hate things. HaHa I hate me...... Oh my..... that came out tottally wrong.... I Love You.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: V_Translanka on July 05, 2006, 06:26:59 pm
Quote from: BZ
I hate people that say "well it's MY/YOUR opinion." This reminds me of Maddox:

(http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/opinion1.gif)

I totally steal that line ('no shit, who else's opinion would it be?') from Maddox whenever someone says that...Good stuff...

I thought we've done this thread before, not too long ago...But, w/e...I hate drama and people who talk about drama. It's not cool and I don't care how emo you are.

I also hate when people misuse words...Like when someone uses 'lightyear' as a measurement of time and other such nonsense like that...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on July 05, 2006, 09:41:27 pm
Hm, yeah, I remember you saying that light year comment.
Weird.

I hate people who try to be emo, just to look different. The nineties are over, damnit!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ClayAKAMe on July 05, 2006, 11:49:59 pm
Het is there a difference between emo and goth cos im goth
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on July 06, 2006, 01:11:02 am
Yeah, there is. Emo's just like to complain. Goth's actually have a purpose.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ClayAKAMe on July 06, 2006, 01:29:15 am
Who else is goth..... I hate Cheesewheels
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on July 06, 2006, 01:20:19 pm
I hate Jeebuz :p <----- Zeality'll be happy to see that
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ClayAKAMe on July 06, 2006, 05:09:29 pm
I've always wanted to get Zeality flamed..... :P ..... :P  YOu must hate me now huh :P
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on July 06, 2006, 10:22:44 pm
Wow, is it just me or has there been this GIANT surge of new forumites?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ClayAKAMe on July 06, 2006, 11:43:59 pm
I guess I'm considered as a forumite
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Chrono'99 on July 07, 2006, 08:46:09 am
Wow, is it just me or has there been this GIANT surge of new spam?
Fixed.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ClayAKAMe on July 07, 2006, 11:46:19 am
Nice. That deeply hurt. I'll be in my room crying until i get over it or i resort to suicide one. kidding!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: kian on July 07, 2006, 12:52:57 pm
[rant] i hate people who try to live the music instead of just listening to it, that includes the rap junkies, punk kids, and anyone one who wears fishnets that doesnt have a vagina.  i also hate people that have to identify themselves through a group.  with freedom comes individuality, maybe some people dont realize how lucky they are.  i also cant stand americans that say they are [insert other country].  if you were born here you are an american regardless of your culture or geneological background.  even if your great granpappy immigrated here from italy [/rant] 
 whew glad i was able to vent, dont wanna have a heart attack at 24.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ClayAKAMe on July 07, 2006, 01:09:46 pm
What's wrong with being Goth? Oh no if you mean wearing make-up and stuff like that .... I've only done that 6 times. But I hate people who don't understand others. Joke.... Kidding.
My dad hates me because I listen to death metal and Punk
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ClayAKAMe on July 07, 2006, 01:31:56 pm
I hate Dora the Explorer. Have you ever thought... Young kid watch this show..... If they watch it too much you'll have to learn spanish to understand WTF that kid just said.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Magus068 on July 08, 2006, 12:17:31 am
Well dig this....  I HATE BARNEY THE PURPLE DINOSAUR!!!!!!! LET'S KILL EM' WITH A BIG SHOTGUN!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on July 08, 2006, 12:36:28 am
What's so bad about Barney? (as an objective question, of course)
Oh, and by the way, about my other post, where I said people focus too much on race and are too sensitive to ANYTHING to do with race, ponder over this picture:
(http://www.joystiq.com/media/2006/07/sony_whiteiscoming_ad_large.jpg)
Do you find it offensive? Why or why not?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ClayAKAMe on July 08, 2006, 03:12:43 am
Where have I heard this word from.... Elegant Eletist? Way off topic here but i was wondering.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Magus068 on July 08, 2006, 04:36:50 am
Well, I hate Barney because his appearance and antics irritates me!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: cupn00dles on July 08, 2006, 10:50:03 am
My... As already said by Mr. Dexter Holland on Ixnay on the Hombre: It's Cool to Hate!


YOu buncha coolies  :lee:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Magus068 on July 08, 2006, 11:29:29 am
What's so bad about Barney? (as an objective question, of course)
Oh, and by the way, about my other post, where I said people focus too much on race and are too sensitive to ANYTHING to do with race, ponder over this picture:
(http://www.joystiq.com/media/2006/07/sony_whiteiscoming_ad_large.jpg)
Do you find it offensive? Why or why not?

HOLY CRAP! TO HELL WITH THOSE DISCRIMINATIVE PEOPLE!!!!!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: deniz2099 on July 08, 2006, 02:36:08 pm
I hate hick people.

(http://img283.imageshack.us/img283/4148/taksiofoorii7bb.jpg)

Like this one .  :lol:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: kian on July 08, 2006, 04:50:20 pm
I hate hick people.

(http://img283.imageshack.us/img283/4148/taksiofoorii7bb.jpg)

Like this one .  :lol:
take a closer look, he is an arabian cab driver.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: deniz2099 on July 08, 2006, 05:59:36 pm
he is not an Arab, he is a Turk. but a hick one.  :lol:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on July 08, 2006, 08:29:11 pm
HOLY CRAP! TO HELL WITH THOSE DISCRIMINATIVE PEOPLE!!!!!
I'll assume you were being sarcastic.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: kian on July 08, 2006, 08:54:12 pm
zepplin i understand racism is a terrible thing, but being 15 have you really seen enough of it to really understand it?  bill cosby said something along the lines of "the black youth of to day wants to be respected, but they dress funny and choose to talk ignorantly."  ill find out the exact quote, but does that make him racist, and bill cosby wasnt well off growing up.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on July 08, 2006, 09:05:47 pm
zepplin i understand racism is a terrible thing, but being 15 have you really seen enough of it to really understand it?  bill cosby said something along the lines of "the black youth of to day wants to be respected, but they dress funny and choose to talk ignorantly."  ill find out the exact quote, but does that make him racist, and bill cosby wasnt well off growing up.
Uh, I meant that the image WASN'T racist. Look at my last comment.
And yeah, I have.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: kian on July 08, 2006, 11:00:47 pm
oops, oh welll in that case ill have to agree with you.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on July 09, 2006, 02:17:40 am
oops, oh welll in that case ill have to agree with you.
Sweet, let's go rob banks and have tea parties.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Magus068 on July 09, 2006, 05:20:02 am
HOLY CRAP! TO HELL WITH THOSE DISCRIMINATIVE PEOPLE!!!!!
I'll assume you were being sarcastic.

Nope, I'm serious. I don't like discriminative people!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on July 09, 2006, 06:16:45 am
Yes, that's good, but THEY weren't being discriminative.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: cupn00dles on July 09, 2006, 01:38:17 pm
Since when have this forum become such an irony battlefield  8)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Exodus on July 09, 2006, 02:46:46 pm
1. Macs
2. Kingdom Hearts
3. Mac users
4. The plastic wrapping around Twinkies
5. Annoying brats within an age group of 2-5.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Nicole_Flesher on July 18, 2006, 01:11:39 am
I hate:
Teachers who have something out for you following you in the hall ways.
People who try to be something there not.
Gothic cheerleaders (wut does that tell you they are???? PREPS in black)
Guys who hit girls (unless they ask you to hit them and they want to show you you'r tougher then them)
When somebody does something and you ask them over and over agian to stop
Non stop calling (if they don't pick up the first time dont call the next 5 min)
i got lots more but dont feel like typeing
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on July 18, 2006, 04:24:10 am
Hm, from what I get of American school culture from my daily dosage of television, there are no gothic cheerleaders, because they cheerleading group doesn't accept them in. Or something. What's so bad about them anywho? Emo cheerleaders, now they suck.

Speaking from an objective view, with my religion and culture not being held in perspective here (don't start here, Lord J), shouldn't a guy hitting a girl be just as bad as a girl hitting a guy, not counting the power of the hit? Whatever. I don't hit girls. I hit dinosaurs.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on July 18, 2006, 11:15:39 pm
shouldn't a guy hitting a girl be just as bad as a girl hitting a guy, not counting the power of the hit?

Yes. Ultimately, they should rank the same. However, that doesn't mean that they are the same today. Violence by men against women is often an attempt by these men to assert their dominance, and frequently entails considerable physical injury and mental trauma on the part of the woman.

To put it another way, it isn't really about who is hitting whom, but why. Sometimes physical assault is acceptable, for any number of reasons. Much more often, it is unacceptable, again for any number of reasons. And, sometimes, physical assault is absolutely unacceptable, without qualification. All sexist violence falls into this last category, especially when there is an intent to dominate, injure, or sexually assault.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Nicole_Flesher on July 19, 2006, 12:12:53 am
But I like to play around with guys like that. Because well its just fun. I don't always win. But somtimes I do. It's fun pluse many people tell me I do to many guy things. And any ways it just shows I'm not scared like a whole lot of other girls are. It's ok if you're just playing.
Another thing i hate:
Being woke up in the morning way too early.
And they do let goths be come cheerleaders if there good enough to the squad.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on July 19, 2006, 05:19:37 am
shouldn't a guy hitting a girl be just as bad as a girl hitting a guy, not counting the power of the hit?

Yes. Ultimately, they should rank the same. However, that doesn't mean that they are the same today. Violence by men against women is often an attempt by these men to assert their dominance, and frequently entails considerable physical injury and mental trauma on the part of the woman.

To put it another way, it isn't really about who is hitting whom, but why. Sometimes physical assault is acceptable, for any number of reasons. Much more often, it is unacceptable, again for any number of reasons. And, sometimes, physical assault is absolutely unacceptable, without qualification. All sexist violence falls into this last category, especially when there is an intent to dominate, injure, or sexually assault.
Perfect answer. Sexist violence is just like racist violence; a hate crime, and hate crimes are unacceptable.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on July 19, 2006, 05:25:37 am
Now that you and I have agreed on something, I'm going to convert to all the world's religions...because the end is probably nearer than we think, and I plan to cash in.

I just hope that none of these religions are exclusive of any of the others...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on July 19, 2006, 06:35:35 am
Some of my hates (that I remember):

1. Religion
2. Violence against girls or the elderly
3. Government
4. Money
5. Kid's TV channels
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on July 19, 2006, 07:25:36 am
You left out non-virgin fish sauce.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on July 19, 2006, 07:47:27 am
.......................................... o_o
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Nicole_Flesher on July 19, 2006, 11:39:57 am
ok BUT YOU CAN STILL PLAY AROUND. I like to bet up a guy. Sometime i win and anyway does not mean they do it to be cruel there just playing around back. Some girls do it because there just as tough as guys. Thats why I do it.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on July 19, 2006, 12:57:49 pm
"World is going to shit" discussions held by disenchanted adults. As much as healthcare or other systems suck today, it could be and used to be worse. This is not an attack on discontent or its expression, but on negative little discussions that crop up and leave everyone in an unhappy stupor.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Nicole_Flesher on July 21, 2006, 04:32:26 pm
ok CTS please!!!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on July 23, 2006, 04:32:39 pm
The OCR writing competition. I am continuously beaten by mediocre material. Go see what travesty they've wrought this time:

http://www.ocremix.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=54874&start=975

My poem is terrible. My casino short story is terrible. But they're better.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kazuki on July 23, 2006, 10:33:57 pm
1. Racial pride, in any form or shape.
2. People who don't put their money where their mouth is
3. Magus/Schala/Zeal; Magus/Schala/Zeal fanatics
4. Football (American, for those who don't live there. I love + play international football (soccer)
5. Death metal/Metalcore fans. Especially those who make fun of emo when their music talks about the same subject matter (not that I'm defending emocore..)
6. That annoying little sub-community of gamefaqsers who talk lyk dis 2 mak fun of ppl hoo do dat and then suddenly become fierce grammarians whenever they're *serious* about something. Doesn't make their stupid points any more attractive when they bother to use grammar.
7. Led Zeppelin; AC/DC; Lynard Skynard
8. Tomatoes
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Salvadeiro on July 24, 2006, 08:23:19 pm
American Cars

GO EUROPE!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Matt Shadows on July 25, 2006, 02:15:40 am
This one's for you allmighty jackass.

I hate people who practice satanism or worship false idols. In the Christian faith it is important that you keep a strong faith in GOD and follow the ten commandments which in one of them directly states that you should not worship a god before Him. I am only speaking from my religion. It doesn't neccessarily mean that Christianity is the "true" religion. I am simply stating that satanism is not a religion I would look into. And I will not associate with anyone who practices satanism. But it is not up to me to decide the religion you follow whether you're Catholic, Jewish, or anything else. It doesn't matter to me if you're either of those religion or any other religion other than satanism. I will not tolerate a satanic person. If you decide to give your soul to satan instead of putting it into the trusting hands of GOD you are making the biggest mistake one could make.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Rat on July 25, 2006, 02:30:24 am
Hmm.

People.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on July 25, 2006, 04:09:23 am
I hate Ms Puerto Rico. Erin McNaught (Australia) and Kurara Chibana (Japan) were way hotter.

(http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/07/23/23n_mcnaught_narrowweb__300x440,0.jpg)(http://www.missosology.org/missuniverse06/fabukur.JPG)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Nicole_Flesher on July 25, 2006, 04:31:03 pm
This one's for you allmighty jackass.

I hate people who practice satanism or worship false idols. In the Christian faith it is important that you keep a strong faith in GOD and follow the ten commandments which in one of them directly states that you should not worship a god before Him. I am only speaking from my religion. It doesn't neccessarily mean that Christianity is the "true" religion. I am simply stating that satanism is not a religion I would look into. And I will not associate with anyone who practices satanism. But it is not up to me to decide the religion you follow whether you're Catholic, Jewish, or anything else. It doesn't matter to me if you're either of those religion or any other religion other than satanism. I will not tolerate a satanic person. If you decide to give your soul to satan instead of putting it into the trusting hands of GOD you are making the biggest mistake one could make.
You're correct>>>>>>>>That's wrong and well....Some people have there reasons and some people do it because there church or there friends there cool at being like that and they want to be cool too so believe in that shit. I would not assosiate with people like that eather. And how do we know for sure that the Bible is another book that some one made up to give us something to believe in I guess it's just Faith right.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: V_Translanka on July 25, 2006, 05:33:41 pm
You didn't post that so we'd vote for you, did you ZeaLitY? lol...There's better poetry competition over at FFI...8) How come there were hardly any entrants? I thought OCR had a big community...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on July 26, 2006, 03:07:05 am
When people pronounce the "h" in "neanderthal". It's slient, damn it.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Magus068 on July 26, 2006, 04:03:44 am
I hate environmentalist. They always ruin small businesses with their dos & donts.

HARPOON THE ELEPHANTS, NUKE THE WHALES!!!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on July 26, 2006, 04:27:24 am
Ms Brazil is pretty hot...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on July 26, 2006, 04:27:41 am
When people pronounce the "h" in "neanderthal". It's slient, damn it.

In all honesty and humility, I was nearly out of my teens by the time I learned that. And I was in my twenties before I learned that you spell "forest" with only one R, but "Februrary" with three.

I hate environmentalist. They always ruin small businesses with their dos & donts.

HARPOON THE ELEPHANTS, NUKE THE WHALES!!!

I guess I hate willful ignorance. One example is how conservatives think [believe in their gut] that the whole "don't kill the Earth" thing is just a Democrat excuse for more government. You'd think that, at least among a community of friggin' Chrono Trigger fans, even the goopiest GOPers would know better...but that's the power of willful ignorance for you!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Nicole_Flesher on July 26, 2006, 12:27:59 pm
I hate waking up earlyer then I usually do.
People who compare them selves to one another.
Kids crying all the time.
Annoying birds in my window in the morning.
People who are compleate wanna be know it alls.
Little kiddies who live with you like (5-8) who thinks they know whats going on between you and you're best friend. And they also agervate you in every way possable.
And thats it for right now.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: nightmare975 on July 26, 2006, 01:06:01 pm
7. Led Zeppelin; AC/DC; Lynard Skynard

How could you hate them!? :cry:

Me on the other hand hate:
1. Most of the new age rockers. They are all just mostly emo. And emo is gay.
2. Emos
3. Straight Gay Rights activists
4. Jack Tompson
5. Democrats
6. Republicans
7. The way Communism is in our world (Karl and Marx's way could work without the evil dictators)
8. Little kids on XBOX Live who think it's cool to swear like a sailor when all it does is make them look like no0bs.
9. Hospitals
10. American Society as a whole.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Nicole_Flesher on July 26, 2006, 01:23:08 pm
7. Led Zeppelin; AC/DC; Lynard Skynard

How could you hate them!? :cry:

Me on the other hand hate:
1. Most of the new age rockers. They are all just mostly emo. And emo is gay.
2. Emos
3. Straight Gay Rights activists
4. Jack Tompson
5. Democrats
6. Republicans
7. The way Communism is in our world (Karl and Marx's way could work without the evil dictators)
8. Little kids on XBOX Live who think it's cool to swear like a sailor when all it does is make them look like no0bs.
9. Hospitals
10. American Society as a whole.
acctully you are right most of the new bands coming in are emo and most emo people are bi-sexua. so yeah that part about emo being gay is half right.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on July 26, 2006, 01:25:08 pm
You can't hate communism and American society both. Perhaps you can, but you'd better identify what you love in that case.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: nightmare975 on July 26, 2006, 01:29:10 pm
I said I hate Communism in effect, I like the way Communism was thought up as.

And I prefere American Society but people are just dicks.

So I change my number 10 to...

10. Humans.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on July 26, 2006, 01:31:06 pm
Well, that's legit, as long as you believe in the human capacity to do good and improve.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Nicole_Flesher on July 26, 2006, 04:08:12 pm
I said I hate Communism in effect, I like the way Communism was thought up as.

And I prefere American Society but people are just dicks.

So I change my number 10 to...

10. Humans.
I hate some humans. Not all but some
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: V_Translanka on July 26, 2006, 04:57:13 pm
Communism would be great if you could actually convince a Capitolist society to fully accept it's ways...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on July 27, 2006, 01:16:03 am
When people pronounce the "h" in "neanderthal". It's slient, damn it.

In all honesty and humility, I was nearly out of my teens by the time I learned that. And I was in my twenties before I learned that you spell "forest" with only one R, but "Februrary" with three.

I hate environmentalist. They always ruin small businesses with their dos & donts.

HARPOON THE ELEPHANTS, NUKE THE WHALES!!!

I guess I hate willful ignorance. One example is how conservatives think [believe in their gut] that the whole "don't kill the Earth" thing is just a Democrat excuse for more government. You'd think that, at least among a community of friggin' Chrono Trigger fans, even the goopiest GOPers would know better...but that's the power of willful ignorance for you!

Damn you Lord J, I was just about to come in and post that I hate willful ignorance. So I suppose I'll just reaffirm it in this case, because it is truly vile.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Matt Shadows on July 27, 2006, 01:20:35 am
Can I say I hate ...... Penis...... and get away with it. If not then.... I hate.... the movie Blankman. Who all knows of a show named "Lucky Louie". Best show to come on HBO.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Nicole_Flesher on July 27, 2006, 10:38:38 am
Can I say I hate ...... Penis...... and get away with it. If not then.... I hate.... the movie Blankman. Who all knows of a show named "Lucky Louie". Best show to come on HBO.
You are really trying not to push you luck. But that was funny. HAHA not really but it's nice to say so. Well I hate that FAT topic thing.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on July 29, 2006, 11:15:36 am
(http://adlog.com.com/adlog/i/r=10153&s=657798&t=2006.07.29.10.14.05&o=1:&h=pi&p=&b=4&l=En_US&site=6&pt=&nd=&pid=&cid=&pp=&rqid=01c17-gne-ad244C8F1ACC07F3A/http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/Ads/2443/10/medieval_leader.gif)

These ads on Gamefaqs. Who's going to be some probably mediocre game just because they see this picture?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on July 29, 2006, 11:48:18 am
(http://adlog.com.com/adlog/i/r=10153&s=657798&t=2006.07.29.10.14.05&o=1:&h=pi&p=&b=4&l=En_US&site=6&pt=&nd=&pid=&cid=&pp=&rqid=01c17-gne-ad244C8F1ACC07F3A/http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/Ads/2443/10/medieval_leader.gif)

These ads on Gamefaqs. Who's going to be some probably mediocre game just because they see this picture?

That game looks like absolute turd. What the hell is the goat-guy in the middle supposed to be? Wow, 3D Runescape! Such crap.

Which brings me to the point, another thing I hate: Runescape, ot as I call it, Bumscrape.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Nicole_Flesher on July 29, 2006, 01:51:57 pm
(http://adlog.com.com/adlog/i/r=10153&s=657798&t=2006.07.29.10.14.05&o=1:&h=pi&p=&b=4&l=En_US&site=6&pt=&nd=&pid=&cid=&pp=&rqid=01c17-gne-ad244C8F1ACC07F3A/http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/Ads/2443/10/medieval_leader.gif)

These ads on Gamefaqs. Who's going to be some probably mediocre game just because they see this picture?
They look like they would eat me........tell them to quit looking at me.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FFXSage on July 29, 2006, 02:22:22 pm
(http://adlog.com.com/adlog/i/r=10153&s=657798&t=2006.07.29.10.14.05&o=1:&h=pi&p=&b=4&l=En_US&site=6&pt=&nd=&pid=&cid=&pp=&rqid=01c17-gne-ad244C8F1ACC07F3A/http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/Ads/2443/10/medieval_leader.gif)

These ads on Gamefaqs. Who's going to be some probably mediocre game just because they see this picture?
They look like they would eat me........tell them to quit looking at me.

Quit looking at the Queen like that you dastardly fiends!
*throws em off into the dungeon*
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Nicole_Flesher on July 29, 2006, 02:47:34 pm
They hit me. I'm bleeding.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: V_Translanka on July 29, 2006, 03:44:18 pm
I hate people who, like, interrupt threads to crappily RP w/each other...See what I did there? Eh? Eh?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on July 29, 2006, 03:58:40 pm
I hate people who, like, interrupt threads to crappily RP w/each other...See what I did there? Eh? Eh?

So very agreed.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: nightmare975 on July 29, 2006, 04:08:47 pm
(http://adlog.com.com/adlog/i/r=10153&s=657798&t=2006.07.29.10.14.05&o=1:&h=pi&p=&b=4&l=En_US&site=6&pt=&nd=&pid=&cid=&pp=&rqid=01c17-gne-ad244C8F1ACC07F3A/http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/Ads/2443/10/medieval_leader.gif)

These ads on Gamefaqs. Who's going to be some probably mediocre game just because they see this picture?
They look like they would eat me........tell them to quit looking at me.

Quit looking at the Queen like that you dastardly fiends!
*throws em off into the dungeon*
I hate spammers.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on July 29, 2006, 04:10:50 pm
Same here. Seriously, if they aren't gonna post anything relevant, why post HERE, in the Compendium?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: nightmare975 on July 29, 2006, 04:13:28 pm
Because they're sick of all the spammers on GameFAQs
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: justin3009 on July 29, 2006, 04:23:28 pm
Or they just like to annoy people to fuck.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Nicole_Flesher on July 29, 2006, 06:58:06 pm
Or they just like to annoy people to fuck.
okokokok I have been out of line I know I have so i'll stop but don't know about matt and sage. You'll have to say something to them.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: justin3009 on July 29, 2006, 07:08:13 pm
I don't mind you, just Matt and the asskisser =/
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Nicole_Flesher on July 29, 2006, 07:14:08 pm
I don't mind you, just Matt and the asskisser =/
Oh ok well then sorry to the people who do mind.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on July 29, 2006, 11:48:32 pm
This is going to sound ironic and hypocritical:
I hate people that spam up forums by saying that someone has spammed or they discuss spamming.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: nightmare975 on July 29, 2006, 11:49:41 pm
I hate airships that have caught fire. :lol:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Matt Shadows on July 30, 2006, 01:37:16 am
I hate myself for spamming. Prince, you stop it as well. Oh and BZ, never talk about the Prince that way.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Nicole_Flesher on July 30, 2006, 01:42:40 am
I hate myself for spamming. Prince, you stop it as well. Oh and BZ, never talk about the Prince that way.
Oh shut up you do it to be a bad ass.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Matt Shadows on July 30, 2006, 01:50:57 am
Do not. I hate people who are seemingly good posters but when I read other posts by them it's really stupid.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Nicole_Flesher on July 30, 2006, 01:54:24 am
Do not. I hate people who are seemingly good posters but when I read other posts by them it's really stupid.
You know it would be a good idea to make a topic like For the spammers and nasty talk or something...............clay hurry check youre mail
 1.I hate liers (sometimes)
 2.People who like to make you mad because they think it's cute
 3.Insoulting nicknames
 4.I HATE BEING MAD AT PEOPLE BUT THEN AGEAN THEY ALWAYS PUSH THEIR LUCK.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on July 30, 2006, 02:03:24 am
I hate airships that have caught fire. :lol:
:lee:
I hate myself for spamming. Prince, you stop it as well. Oh and BZ, never talk about the Prince that way.
No.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Nicole_Flesher on July 30, 2006, 02:05:43 am
you tell him burning z. Show him who is boss.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: AustinAKAYou on July 30, 2006, 02:12:25 am
I hate not being on in a while.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ChibiBob on July 30, 2006, 05:52:24 am
I hate those who can't take the advice of others and stop the goddamn spamming.

Seriously, if you want to spam, go buy a can of the stuff and toss it at your neighbor's dog.

I also hate alcoholic beverages, smokers, and things that go bump in the night, including myself when I'm up past six in the morning, completely out of touch with reality and unable to remember that one sleeps on the bed, not beside it.

...

Not that that's a true story or anything.

Edit: I'm entirely too used to HTML tags.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Rat on July 30, 2006, 06:13:41 am
I hate it when something of mine gets borrowed when it's only needed for one day, and takes months to be returned.
I also hate it when something is borrowed that would take a little longer to enjoy, but isn't returned for years.

Worse off when things are returned broken or damaged, and the most the person offers is a pitiful "sorry."
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on July 30, 2006, 09:17:35 am
And look, it's started again, eh?  :?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on July 30, 2006, 12:53:17 pm
I hate it when something of mine gets borrowed when it's only needed for one day, and takes months to be returned.
I also hate it when something is borrowed that would take a little longer to enjoy, but isn't returned for years.

Worse off when things are returned broken or damaged, and the most the person offers is a pitiful "sorry."

Hah, I keep forgetting to take it with me when I drive. But I told Ramsus it is soon to arrive.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Nicole_Flesher on July 30, 2006, 01:00:43 pm
I hate when you make plains and then you don't get the plains you make to go right.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Rat on July 30, 2006, 01:06:03 pm

Hah, I keep forgetting to take it with me when I drive. But I told Ramsus it is soon to arrive.

Ah, it's not just you. Someone else still has to return a Sims2 disc to me, as well as 3 or so books.

....Still, yay. :D When I get it, I will proclaim you my god. At least for 10 whole minutes.

*resists making a joke involving human-made plains*

....

As for the topic, what else do I hate? Bananas. And pineapples. But I suppose saying that makes me just plain silly. (and melons and mushrooms and spiders)(especially spiders)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: deniz2099 on July 30, 2006, 01:38:44 pm
System of a Down. i like their music only. i especially hate Serj Tankian, their vocalist. armenian fools.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: justin3009 on July 30, 2006, 02:25:53 pm
I despise spiders as well...There just creepy =/  I also hate bananas XD.  Hmm...What else do I hate....Oh!  I hate when people come to a random forum and complain about stuff that doesn't even make any sense to any topic.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: nightmare975 on July 30, 2006, 02:37:18 pm
I hate Courtney Love. I mean look at her, she's the poster skank for ugly!

(http://netmode.vietnamnet.vn/dataimages/original/images467915_CourtneyLove.jpg)

The picture has been PSed, but w/e. Do you know how hard it is to find a picture of her without her boobs flopping out?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on July 30, 2006, 04:36:55 pm
I despise spiders as well...There just creepy =/  I also hate bananas XD.  Hmm...What else do I hate....Oh!  I hate when people come to a random forum and complain about stuff that doesn't even make any sense to any topic.

In other words, spamming.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Nicole_Flesher on July 30, 2006, 04:40:11 pm
I hate being bored out of my mind.
I hate hot peppers.
I hate when I try to go to sleep and I see light I can't go to sleep.
I hate people who don't keep their promises.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on July 30, 2006, 05:00:24 pm
Yay, you're keepin' to the topic.  :lee:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FFXSage on July 30, 2006, 06:22:12 pm
I hate it when people hate me.
I hate it when people call me a kiss-ass.
I hate it when people say I'm spamming.
I hate druids because sages are better.
I hate France.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: justin3009 on July 30, 2006, 07:22:54 pm
I hate Matt and Sage!  Does that count?  Anyways, I hate World of Warcraft...That game needs to die >;(
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FFXSage on July 30, 2006, 10:58:24 pm
I hate Matt and Sage!  Does that count?  Anyways, I hate World of Warcraft...That game needs to die >;(

 :jiraiya: Why do you hate me?
WoW does suck.

I hate people who hate me.
I hate 2300 AD.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: nightmare975 on July 31, 2006, 12:07:10 am
I hate people who hate me.

A never ending hate cycle. :lol:

I hate Naruto.

(http://e.deviantart.com/emoticons/p/pointandlaugh.gif)  :lee:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Ramsus on July 31, 2006, 12:19:00 am
I hate Matt and Sage!  Does that count?  Anyways, I hate World of Warcraft...That game needs to die >;(

 :jiraiya: Why do you hate me?
WoW does suck.

I hate people who hate me.
I hate 2300 AD.


You're new. You have 150 posts. You've contributed next to no meaningful discussion, and you're not funny.

Sorry, but if you're going to make more than half a dozen posts a day, they better be well thought and interesting. More importantly, they better have a real purpose -- even if it's humor, in which case it better be pretty damn funny.

The Compendium wasn't created for a bunch of teenage kids (or the mental equivalent) to spend all day getting their kicks out of posting one-liners to each other. This isn't GameFAQs.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Rat on July 31, 2006, 02:43:17 am

You're new. You have 150 posts. You've contributed next to no meaningful discussion, and you're not funny.

Sorry, but if you're going to make more than half a dozen posts a day, they better be well thought and interesting. More importantly, they better have a real purpose -- even if it's humor, in which case it better be pretty damn funny.

The Compendium wasn't created for a bunch of teenage kids (or the mental equivalent) to spend all day getting their kicks out of posting one-liners to each other. This isn't GameFAQs.

Can we assume this is one of the things you hate?

Hmm... I also hate lazy coworkers that actually take naps on the job and then the only repercussion is they get sent home early, which is what they wanted in the first place, and then I'm stuck cleaning all their stuff because they were too busy napping to finish up before they left.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Nicole_Flesher on July 31, 2006, 03:20:35 am
I hate people fighting.
If they don't like you get over it ok get on with your life don't complaine about it.
I hate when you stay at some ones house then you get sick and have to go home in the middle of the night.
I hate porn (and people who watch it non stop)
I hate hating this headach.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Ramsus on July 31, 2006, 11:03:14 am

You're new. You have 150 posts. You've contributed next to no meaningful discussion, and you're not funny.

Sorry, but if you're going to make more than half a dozen posts a day, they better be well thought and interesting. More importantly, they better have a real purpose -- even if it's humor, in which case it better be pretty damn funny.

The Compendium wasn't created for a bunch of teenage kids (or the mental equivalent) to spend all day getting their kicks out of posting one-liners to each other. This isn't GameFAQs.

Can we assume this is one of the things you hate?

Hmm... I also hate lazy coworkers that actually take naps on the job and then the only repercussion is they get sent home early, which is what they wanted in the first place, and then I'm stuck cleaning all their stuff because they were too busy napping to finish up before they left.

Actually, no. I hate people who make excuses and blame others for their own problems.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Magus068 on August 01, 2006, 07:01:36 am
I hate Matt and Sage!  Does that count?  Anyways, I hate World of Warcraft...That game needs to die >;(

I agree with you, they should focus on improving Warcraft 3 or even making Warcraft 4 than to improve WOW.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on August 01, 2006, 07:29:08 am
True, I loved WC3! I want a WC4, now!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on August 01, 2006, 09:47:30 am
Use of the word "autos" instead of "cars."
The singular they in some cases.
Those who are against the Saxon genitive tacked on a word ending in s to indicate singular possession. In written language, it's pretty difficult to figure out what one is talking about with this.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: cupn00dles on August 01, 2006, 10:39:38 am
Use of the word "autos" instead of "cars."
The singular they in some cases.
Those who are against the Saxon genitive tacked on a word ending in s to indicate singular possession. In written language, it's pretty difficult to figure out what one is talking about with this.

Wow, it reminds me that:

In Soviet Russia, car drives YOU!!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Ramsus on August 02, 2006, 03:19:30 pm
I hate poorly written web forms and processing scripts. I especially hate it when they have no exception handling, involve charging your credit card, are part of a government website, and fail with nothing more than half a screen full of warnings on the first apostrophe.

I mean, what the fuck?! Did they hire some 12-year old PHP programmer?!

Anyway, I already complained to the TSA, but I doubt it'll get fixed. It's not unlikely some asshole is going to use the shoddy form to hack into their Oracle database and steal people's information, either.


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Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Nicole_Flesher on August 02, 2006, 10:32:51 pm
I hate wearing pink!!!!!!..........black with skules and well i'm a punke any color but pink.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Nicole_Flesher on August 04, 2006, 02:46:59 pm
I HATE THE WORD LOVE. AND I HATE THE FEELING.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Magus068 on August 05, 2006, 05:36:28 am
Sometimes I hate emotions. They tend to cloud my judgement.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Salvadeiro on August 05, 2006, 06:13:01 am
I hate school.  I love keg-stands. (but that is totally illegal to love something in this topic anyway)

I HATE minimum wage.  I HATE working for minimum wage. 
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Nicole_Flesher on August 05, 2006, 09:22:43 pm
I hate when it is morning. When I want it to be night time.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on August 17, 2006, 05:50:10 pm
I hate most modern pop. Honestly, I'm not one to enjoy making sweeping generalizations about things, but after enduring thirty minutes of it at Supercuts, I'm feeling bitter. It perturbs me to know that people digest this crap. And just as Dr. Thorpe proposed on Something Awful, rock needs to be saved by:

1. No more emo or angst
2. A spirit of fun and enjoyment
3. Competent bands without Pro Tools to edit every inch of their music
4. Melody versus stupid licks
5. A handsome, engaging frontman
6. A fun reinvention of rock music

Until then, we're going to have godawful crap like Nickelback - Photograph ruining our radios. Also, hip hop was better when it was political, and don't even get me started on the worthless girl-pop that's flooding everything. The majority of singers do not write their own songs. This post probably makes me out to be a giant square, but so be it. If you agree with me at all, read the column at http://www.somethingawful.com/yourbandsucks/

Speaking of which, here is the dead-on writeup of Photograph.

Quote from: god this sucks
I can almost give Green Day the benefit of the doubt. Maybe they didn’t know that “Good Riddance (Time of Your Life)” would become the foremost and paramount graduation/goodbye/I miss high school/series finale track. Perhaps they just sort of stumbled onto it by writing a catchy, semi-morose song about leaving something or someone behind. Boyz II Men probably knew that “It's So Hard to Say Goodbye to Yesterday” had universal appeal, but it was released within the context of an unabashedly commercial record, so it’s no great sin. Plus, it had some kick-ass harmonies, right?

Canadian mega-morons Nickelback do not get the same leniency of judgment from me. “Photograph,” from their new album Who the Fuck Cares What the New Nickelback Album is Called, is a completely transparent rock and roll money-grub from start to finish. It’s a paint-by-numbers going-away song designed to appeal to every high school graduate in America and Canada and wherever else people are stupid enough to buy Nickelback records. As with all Nickelback songs, the track employs The Nickelback Tune®, complete with The Nickelback Harmonies® and The Nickelback Bridge®. Basically, it fits right in with the “write the same song as many times as possible until people stop buying our records” formula. The lyrics are like a horoscope: they’re written by a cynical con-artist to apply to everyone while making all the gullible numbskulls in the audience feel like they’re specific to them.

Here’s a rundown: “I am looking at my old photographs. Boy, my friends and I sure had some good times! I’ll miss this old house! Now it’s time to leave, and I’m sad. It’s hard to say goodbye.” Yeah, no shit, Chad? You’re only 48 fucking years old, or whatever, I’m sure that’s really fresh in your mind.

One could defend Nickelback, I suppose, by saying “who cares what their commercial motivations may be? They’re writing songs of uncomplicated universal appeal that really speak to their broad base of listeners.” No, fuck that. They’re making a mockery of rock and roll, they’re dumbing down the public perception of art, and Chad Kroeger has a really stupid haircut. Not forgiven.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on August 17, 2006, 06:03:24 pm
Well, I haven't much to say, but while we're on the subject of music, I really hate the state of music in general today. It's all rave and rap, wherever I go, and those annoying parties with the 'thump-thump' music sure as hell don't help.

I prefer good ol' classical.

Oh, and I hate emos, goths, prejudice people, the government, terrorists, murderers, rapists, drug-dealers, biggots, morons, Dalton, and most of all, religion.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: nightmare975 on August 17, 2006, 08:13:38 pm
Rockstar sounds like it should of been the theme song to Rockstar:Supernova

I kinda enjoy Nickelback, but their new stuff is really stupid.

Classic Rock all the way baby!*

*Minus the butt rock from the 80's, I hate that shit.

EDIT: Before anyone says anything, no, I do not think of Nickelback as a classic rock band.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on August 18, 2006, 01:55:01 am
That which I can reach but cannot grasp.

~~~

At least metal these days is good. I'm catching Dragonforce next month, and hopefully Blind Guardian a couple months after that.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on August 18, 2006, 05:23:58 am
Quote from: Pitchfork Media
Panic! at the Disco
A Fever You Can't Sweat Out
Rating: 1.5

Ten years ago, who would've guessed that emo would usurp punk as the genre du jour for angst-ridden teens. By the late 1990s, most fans of the genre's second wave were abandoning it. Many of the best bands had split up, while the handful that were left were moving toward a more straightforward pop rock sound. But just as it appeared over, the scene suddenly exploded, giving birth to an entire new generation of slick, generic, mall-store neo-emo. It's like the bartender yelled last call, the house lights came on, and then at the last minute, he decided to keep the club open all night serving Cokes. So now, 20 years after Rites of Spring's only full-length album was released, we've arrived at Panic! at the Disco's A Fever You Can't Sweat Out.

Where does one begin to describe this steaming pile of garbage? You've already seen the ridiculous name, so let's try a few of song titles on for size. Track two is called "The Only Difference Between Martyrdom and Suicide Is Press Coverage", and it's followed by "London Beckoned Songs About Money Written By Machines". If those don't quite do it for you, check out "I Write Sins Not Tragedies", or my personal favorite, "Lying Is the Most Fun a Girl Can Have Without Taking Her Clothes Off".

But of course, the asinine song titles and the moronic band name have nothing on the actual songs. The usual guitar, bass, and drums are augmented by drum machine beats and synths that would be more at home blaring over the P.A. at your local gym than in anything one might consider enjoyable music. The production, handled by Matt Squire, a guy who is certainly no stranger to radio-friendly emo, is slick and polished. Vocalist Brendon Urie's impassioned, warbling vocals are so strained it's as if he might just burst into tears at any moment. This poor guy's heart must get broken on a daily basis or something. And if it wasn't bad enough, someone convinced him to add some fancy effects on a track or two that make it sound like someone is lightly karate chopping him across the throat while he sings.

The lyrics are just the sort of vague teen heartache you'd expect. In "Camisado", Urie croons, "You're a regular decorated emergency/ The bruises and contusions will remind you what you did when you wake," sliding up to a falsetto while keyboards shimmer behind him. In "Time to Dance", which utilizes some sort of poorly realized gun-as-a-camera metaphor, he belts out, "When I say shotgun, you say wedding/ Shotgun/ Wedding", and "Give me envy/ Give me malice/ Give me attention/ Give me a break." Yeah, you and me both, kid.

It's sad that this is what emo has become. The genre's always had some irritating characteristics, but this newest batch of heartbroken heartthrobs has managed to build their careers solely out of those characteristics. The whining, the emotionally exposed lyrics, and the passionate choruses are there, but there's no sincerity, creativity, or originality.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on August 18, 2006, 05:33:51 am
I hate when I get a really good dose of inspiration, but then, either by sloth or circumstance, do not act upon it with a creative work.

To a much less passionate degree, but still with sincerity, I hate that nobody has proposed a "things you love" topic, and that such a topic would be unlikely to do better than this one.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on August 20, 2006, 01:06:13 am
I've been exploring the motivational power of anger. Rather than sink into depressing feelings when something horrible comes to mind, I become slightly angry at it. This goes towards finding a way to remedy the situation rather than wasting away while musing and dwelling on it.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Magus068 on August 20, 2006, 01:09:59 am
I hate Elitist scums that lived in my neighborhood.  They think that they're better than anyone else!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on August 28, 2006, 02:47:29 pm
The time value of money. Like profiting from it. Hate computing it ad infinitum. I hate it.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lena Andreia on August 28, 2006, 03:47:07 pm
 I hate the fact that no company will hire me simply because I don't have a degree, regardless of my skill level. Having to pay 30,000 dollars for school, just so I can have a future... I hate it.

 And I hate that because I'm a girl, people think that there's no way I can make it as a video game designer. Ohhh, I hate it.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on August 28, 2006, 04:45:29 pm
I hate the fact that no company will hire me simply because I don't have a degree, regardless of my skill level. Having to pay 30,000 dollars for school, just so I can have a future... I hate it.

 And I hate that because I'm a girl, people think that there's no way I can make it as a video game designer. Ohhh, I hate it.

(http://www.naruto-fan.net/uploads/images/BirthDays/Rock%20Lee.jpg)

Sounds like it's time to affirm your ability through raw determination and passion. They're going to pay for it. But a degree is somewhat important. The problem is not being able to define the scope of your education and having to take certain unsavory classes.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lena Andreia on August 28, 2006, 05:19:27 pm
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Sounds like it's time to affirm your ability through raw determination and passion. They're going to pay for it.

Hee, thanks. I'm taking up 3D studio max so that maybe I can become some sort of 3D modeling demi-god, so I can get a job that doesn't make me insane (like my current one).

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But a degree is somewhat important. The problem is not being able to define the scope of your education and having to take certain unsavory classes.

And there inlies the problem. I tried to do the university thing, and it just didn't work for me. The whole... "School" thing has never really worked for me. I learn a lot better on my own, secluded away from the world.

>__> Plus when I was at college, whenever I would tell a professor that I "wanted to make video games" for a living, they'd laugh at me and "reassure" me that I'd grow out of it.  But yeah, I know it's important... As soon as I pay my car off I'm going to try the whole art school approach. Maybe if I can do that, I can get a degree and get into the industry. I still hate it though.

Wish I was 16 again. XD Everything was so simple then.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on August 29, 2006, 12:58:16 am
I hate the fact that no company will hire me simply because I don't have a degree, regardless of my skill level. Having to pay 30,000 dollars for school, just so I can have a future... I hate it.

 And I hate that because I'm a girl, people think that there's no way I can make it as a video game designer. Ohhh, I hate it.

Chin up, Lena. I'm a level designer without a degree. Furthermore, I strongly advocate your plan of learning 3D modeling.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: grey_the_angel on August 29, 2006, 03:19:53 am
I hate the fact that no company will hire me simply because I don't have a degree, regardless of my skill level. Having to pay 30,000 dollars for school, just so I can have a future... I hate it.

 And I hate that because I'm a girl, people think that there's no way I can make it as a video game designer. Ohhh, I hate it.

(http://www.naruto-fan.net/uploads/images/BirthDays/Rock%20Lee.jpg)

Sounds like it's time to affirm your ability through raw determination and passion. They're going to pay for it. But a degree is somewhat important. The problem is not being able to define the scope of your education and having to take certain unsavory classes.
... you really like to model yourself around rock lee, don't ya?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on August 29, 2006, 05:59:37 am
I hate the fact that no company will hire me simply because I don't have a degree, regardless of my skill level. Having to pay 30,000 dollars for school, just so I can have a future... I hate it.

And I hate that because I'm a girl, people think that there's no way I can make it as a video game designer. Ohhh, I hate it.

I sympathize with the inadequacy of many colleges, instructors, and degree programs, as well as the improper mindset of many students, all of which can contribute to an unsatisfying or even unpleasant college experience. However, it's not the college experience itself that's to blame. Given the modern ambitions of K-12 education, a higher education is simply indispensible now. It's not about the proverbial piece of paper they give you at the end; it's about achieving a truly collegiate education. That some companies don't care to make that disctinction is a travesty, I agree--as is the sheer expense of college. But beyond those obstacles is something good, a holy grail for thinking people. I can see just by your writings here at the Compendium that you are an intelligent person of wide talents and considerable potential, and eventually you will find an employer who understands the same. Nobody here will reasonably doubt your ability. But, having been to university and having had an enriching college experience myself, I know a little bit about what you are missing. The good universities have something truly unique to offer, a sort of concentrated knowledge across all disciplines that just can't be found anywhere else in a single place. Such depth and excellence of education cannot be encapsulated by a single career. Even if you were to be employed by the most fantastic video game development studio, you'd still be missing out on the most exciting insights into everything from geology to art history.

I can tell you, I've had some bad instructors in my day. But if you navigate those rapids wisely and with persistence, and take classes beyond your major in every subject that appeals, fighting the university tooth and nail if they pressure you to stick with your program and graduate quickly...then the rewards are beyond Hadriel's Pleasure (http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php?topic=3250.msg58288#msg58288). I simply would not be who I am today without having had the opportunity to study the theories of the creation of our moon, or the impacts of glaciation on global climate, or the philosophy behind Western religious doctrine. I'm not an astronomer or a geologist or a theologist, but all of those things touch me as an engineer and a writer, every day. As Robert Heinlein put it, specialization is for insects.


Sounds like it's time to affirm your ability through raw determination and passion. They're going to pay for it. But a degree is somewhat important. The problem is not being able to define the scope of your education and having to take certain unsavory classes.

Ah, but ZeaLitY, sheer willpower is an engine--not a weapon. When we get to the point in confronting a challenge where we have nothing to rely upon except our own grit, we have already lost the upper hand, and the going is inevitably tough...which is one of the reasons why willpower is so romanticized. I know a thing or two about having a zealous mind, but there is also the wisdom of working smarter rather than harder. When it's a specific job she wants, Lena's passion--and yours, in your cases--is more smartly employed toward giving her would-be employers what they want, which for her means getting the piece of paper rather than trying to demonstrate that she doesn't need it.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on August 29, 2006, 03:48:04 pm
Yes, I'm not talking about bucking college degrees with some miraculous force of will. Giving them what they want is precisely what I mean. My self-will in getting Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross featured wasn't concerned with overriding the featured article reviewers, but complying with their objections and suggestions by quickly correcting problems. "They're going to pay for it" merely meant that if she delivered high skill with passion, then their underestimation might cost them by overlooking a potential good employee. Give me a little credit.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on August 30, 2006, 03:01:05 am
I give you a lot of credit. You're excellent at giving people conversational openings.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: V_Translanka on September 03, 2006, 06:29:25 am
Speaking of Naruto...Let's just say that I hate ****ing stupid horrible dubs. BELIEVE IT!!!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Daid on September 03, 2006, 09:21:51 am
I hate Queen Zeal when she uses Halnation.
I also hate people who act like idiots for attention
and I hate people who force there opinions on you
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: grey_the_angel on September 03, 2006, 03:29:01 pm
Speaking of Naruto...Let's just say that I hate ****ing stupid horrible dubs. BELIEVE IT!!!
datta bayo= believe it.

its not horrible. its just something that should have never been translated.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: deniz2099 on September 04, 2006, 05:36:37 am
i hate all the gays in the world.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on September 04, 2006, 06:01:11 am
Aw, but they like you. Why the fuss?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: CyberSarkany on September 04, 2006, 11:50:22 am
Awww poor deniz2099, don't be ashamed of what you are and don't go on hating yourself. As Lord J's said, they all love you(so do we).

Wow, never put THAT much cynism into 1 phrase for a long time  :lee:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on September 04, 2006, 12:32:23 pm
Speaking of Naruto...Let's just say that I hate ****ing stupid horrible dubs. BELIEVE IT!!!

Same here. How can people actually bear to watch them instead of the subbed japanese episodes?!?!

They made Guy and Lee sound like idiots... Whoever dubbed it will pay...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on September 04, 2006, 01:35:39 pm
What could cause that post would be falling head over heels for someone only to find out he or she isn't attracted to the opposite sex.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on September 04, 2006, 10:14:52 pm
What could cause that post would be falling head over heels for someone only to find out he or she isn't attracted to the opposite sex.

Or closeted gay tendencies. Ancient history and modern psychology alike have made a pretty strong case that sexual orientation exists on a scale rather than as a binary. Some people just bash gays because it's popular, but a significant minority do it because they're somewhat gay themselves and are unable to admit it, given how culturally unpopular homosexuality is.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on September 05, 2006, 04:57:57 am
It's like when boys are mean to certain girls because in actual fact, they like her!

Dubs do suck, but Cowboy Bebops dub was supoib.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: V_Translanka on September 05, 2006, 05:52:59 pm
I dunno, I remember either only liking Ed's dub or really hating Ed's dub...Whichever...Ed's the SHIT and her regular voice is perfect anyways...:lol:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on September 06, 2006, 01:31:49 am
That which I can reach, but cannot grasp.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on October 05, 2006, 09:30:13 pm
I hate abrasive little Type-A bastards. The kind that wire themselves on caffeine, skimp on sleep, act arrogantly to all, cannot sit still, must outperform others, must achieve over expected requirements, must command arguments, engage in debate frivolously, try to dominate relationships with others, and generally behave like incessant high-enegy morons. They can all go to Type-B hell, where they'll be forced to stand atop a mountain and reflect upon life while not being allowed to move an inch for an entire hour.

I hate use of the word "auto" in place of vehicle or car. "Auto" sounds like prissy Eurotrash vernacular. In America, we make Detroit Iron, damnit! Cars! Trucks! Vans! Not "autos"!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: nightmare975 on October 05, 2006, 09:43:27 pm
For your information I have ADHD. I take that as an insult.

Though I do wish I could reflect on top of a mountain. That would be an all time high for me.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on October 05, 2006, 10:15:17 pm
Type-A has nothing to do with ADHD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_A
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: nightmare975 on October 05, 2006, 10:33:07 pm
Still me. I guess I'm both.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Celesti on October 06, 2006, 04:19:44 am


I hate large groups of people. The larger a group of people get, the more collectively irrational and stupid they become. 

Perhaps thats why I too hate religion.  That is not to say I hate faith, but the intstitutionalization of it in a group prevents the individual from making his own personal decisons on it.

I hate the direction the U.S. government is headed for lately. Look for national i.d. cards and suspention of habeus corpus on the whim of the president in the near future!


Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Magus068 on October 06, 2006, 10:54:20 pm
I hate Google's plan to buy Youtube!  I think Google is trying integrate Youtube to expand its search engine or something.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on October 06, 2006, 10:57:50 pm
I hate Google's plan to buy Youtube!  I think Google is trying integrate Youtube to expand its search engine or something.
Seriously? Sweet! I've always wanted this to happen. Google Videos + YouTube = Awesome.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: V_Translanka on October 07, 2006, 12:49:50 am
Google needs to because it's Video section seriously sucks bawls energy drink...only not that cool...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: sumpissdkid on October 07, 2006, 01:14:36 am
I hate My sister. Can you feel the reality that makes you bleed until you can't vomit anymore.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on October 07, 2006, 02:00:23 am
I hate My sister. Can you feel the reality that makes you bleed until you can't vomit anymore.

I beg your pardon? That's a hell of a first post to the Chrono Compendium.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on October 07, 2006, 02:29:48 am
I hate large groups of people. The larger a group of people get, the more collectively irrational and stupid they become.

I would have agreed with you at one point. The so-called "mob mentality" is a very strong factor in the collective intelligence of groups of humans, and the bigger the group, the worse and more simplistic its critical reasoning becomes. Real intelligence tends to be destructive--because real intelligence is difficult both to obtain and to acknowledge in others--whereas emotion and hearsay are amplified considerably.

Therefore, all else being equal, I think you may be right. However, there are other factors that influence group intelligence, which can compensate, to a degree, for the "dumbening" effect. I would suppose most of these factors trace back to either intelligence itself, or discipline.

I'm not disagreeing, or arguing...kinda just adding to your point, with a point of my own.

Perhaps thats why I too hate religion.  That is not to say I hate faith, but the intstitutionalization of it in a group prevents the individual from making his own personal decisons on it.

You have it backwards. Faith is what is dangerous--religious faith especially. Institutionalized religion is a symptom of faith. Indeed, organized religion is probably a lot less virulent than the personal spirituality that many people might develop on their own, were they so inclined.

I hate the direction the U.S. government is headed for lately. Look for national i.d. cards and suspention of habeus corpus on the whim of the president in the near future!

National ID cards are a good idea, but you're right that we don't want Republicans writing the legislation for it. We need to have one hell of a long, frank discussion about how these cards will and will not be used.

As for habeus corpus, it's toast...as you well know, since you bothered to mention it.

November 7, baby!

ZeaLitY, baby, fetch the good champagne! Drinks for all, on me! November 8. Win or lose, in this political environment we're gonna want 'em.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on October 07, 2006, 02:54:23 am
I vote for (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b3/Rufus_Shinra_small.jpg/180px-Rufus_Shinra_small.jpg)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on October 07, 2006, 03:08:15 am
National ID cards are a good idea, but you're right that we don't want Republicans writing the legislation for it. We need to have one hell of a long, frank discussion about how these cards will and will not be used.

How exactly are National ID cards a good idea? Even though they are made of plastic, they are still essentially one's papers.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: V_Translanka on October 07, 2006, 03:34:04 am
Lord J, you're just jealous because sumpissdkid just posted one of the most quotable things in a long ass time. :lol:

I hate when things that should, don't have an easy-open seal of some kind. I mean, c'mon.

CONVENIENCE ME DAMMIT!!!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on October 07, 2006, 03:46:26 am
That is pretty quotable. It's like, gutterally emo. Yes, gutterally isn't a word.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on October 07, 2006, 03:49:09 am
How exactly are National ID cards a good idea? Even though they are made of plastic, they are still essentially one's papers.

We don't need to have that conversation. I know your argument, and you know mine. We're just starting from different premises.

Lord J, you're just jealous because sumpissdkid just posted one of the most quotable things in a long ass time. :lol:

You got me...

=P

It's like, gutterally emo. Yes, gutterally isn't a word.

Yes it is.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on October 07, 2006, 05:20:39 am
How exactly are National ID cards a good idea? Even though they are made of plastic, they are still essentially one's papers.

We don't need to have that conversation. I know your argument, and you know mine. We're just starting from different premises.

Fair enough.

It's like, gutterally emo. Yes, gutterally isn't a word.

Yes it is.

Not with that spelling it isn't.

http://www.google.com/search?q=gutterally&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on October 07, 2006, 11:50:49 am
I vote for (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b3/Rufus_Shinra_small.jpg/180px-Rufus_Shinra_small.jpg)

Rufus there looks like a proud follower of Hitler.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Magus068 on October 08, 2006, 12:31:53 am
I vote for (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b3/Rufus_Shinra_small.jpg/180px-Rufus_Shinra_small.jpg)

Rufus there looks like a proud follower of Hitler.

Rufus kinda remind me more on Gihren who is also like the follower of Hitler in the Mobile Suit Gundam(Universal Century Gundam).
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: V_Translanka on October 08, 2006, 01:21:18 am
I hate how there are change machines, but no, like, bill machines for if you wanna break a 20 or something...Do I have to mention the convenience factor yet again?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on October 08, 2006, 02:10:37 am
Go to a shop, they'll do it for you.
Unless it's a Republican shop:

Chris: What do you do at a Young Republicans meeting?
Alyssa: We help those who already have the means to help themselves. Also, we perpetuate the idea that Jesus chose America to destroy non-believers and brown people.
Chris: I don't know why, but I feel safer already.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on October 08, 2006, 02:40:29 am
It's like, gutterally emo. Yes, gutterally isn't a word.

Yes it is.

Not with that spelling it isn't.

Well dog my cats. I didn't even notice the misspelling.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on October 10, 2006, 05:30:43 am
I hate preachers who call at my house and offer me religious advice.

Supposedly, gawd is gonna come back and flood the world again. That made me laugh.  :D
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Celesti on October 16, 2006, 04:05:40 pm


You have it backwards. Faith is what is dangerous--religious faith especially. Institutionalized religion is a symptom of faith. Indeed, organized religion is probably a lot less virulent than the personal spirituality that many people might develop on their own, were they so inclined.



Don't get me wrong! I think faith is one of the most dangerous things out there! Even strong faith in Atheism can push you to do crazy things. But I still like faith because it can give things purpose and meaning.  Its just the conformity of faith I have a problem with.


November 7, baby!

ZeaLitY, baby, fetch the good champagne! Drinks for all, on me! November 8. Win or lose, in this political environment we're gonna want 'em.


Whats going on Nov 7th? (I haven't been able too keep up with dates of important events lately) And does ZeaLitY have a bottle of vodka indstead? Champagne makes me a bit sick these days.

That reminds me of another thing I hate: BEER. It tastes like carbonated earwax. Unless its Guinness. I love that for some reason.







Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on October 17, 2006, 03:24:19 am
Why do you need external factors to provide the purpose and meaning in your life? Especially something irrational. Your life is your own.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on October 17, 2006, 04:43:11 am
Why do you need external factors to provide the purpose and meaning in your life? Especially something irrational. Your life is your own.
It's not necessarily faith is an external force she was talking about, I presume.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on October 17, 2006, 06:15:35 am
You have it backwards. Faith is what is dangerous--religious faith especially. Institutionalized religion is a symptom of faith. Indeed, organized religion is probably a lot less virulent than the personal spirituality that many people might develop on their own, were they so inclined.

Don't get me wrong! I think faith is one of the most dangerous things out there! Even strong faith in Atheism can push you to do crazy things. But I still like faith because it can give things purpose and meaning.  Its just the conformity of faith I have a problem with.

In your last sentence, I think you meant "organized religion" instead of "faith." That would be more consistent with what you've been saying, at least.

I'll grant your point: One million people's individual faith does not have the destructive, corruptive power of an organized religion of one million people. Nevertheless, organized religion far exceeds all other institutions, excepting the regular military, in the sheer scope of that destructiveness, that corruption. What makes organized religion so particularly threatening is the underlying religious faith. Faith--religious faith--is how the devour justify the craziest worldviews ever known, as well as the attempt to impose said views, and that is more of a threat in itself than the inevitable conformity and groupthink, and blunt mob power, that follows when a bunch of likeminded people get together to turn off their brains and turn up their emotions.

Religion without faith is just another sports stadium full of lunatics who yell at games and go home to yell at the television. It is religious people's faith that makes organized religion itself so dangerous. My point, is that your condemnations, however warranted, are focusing on a symptom rather than the source of this evil.

Whats going on Nov 7th? (I haven't been able too keep up with dates of important events lately)

The U.S. midterm elections.

This year’s elections are just so fucking important I almost can’t stand it. If you are an eligible U.S. citizen, you need to vote this year. You need to have your friends vote. You need to put aside your childish cynicism against “the system” and just vote those goddamn Republican bastards out of power. Or don’t—I’m not the boss of you! But only an bamboozled idiot or a self-deluded fool could support the GOP right now. There are crucial races all over the country; both houses of Congress are in play. All across the states, governorships and ballot initiatives like Dakota’s will be decided. All of this will help shape the direction of the country for years to come.

We can’t cede much more ground. We’re already past the point of preventing irreversible damage that will plague this nation for decades. The ultraconservative religious fundamentalists have succeeded so wildly in their agenda that America is beginning to break down. The entire Democratic Party is, in my opinion, occupying what I could call the center of gravity between liberalism and conservatism—yet they still don’t have an elected majority! Many of today’s Democratic hopefuls have been forced to campaign so far to the right that I don’t even like their platforms. But I still have to support them, because at this point the only other choice is to emigrate. I won’t live in a United States where Republicans control the country’s direction for decades on end.

So let me just say it to you: 2004 was the year we could not afford to lose. Yet we lost seats in both houses, and of course we lost to George Fucking Dubya Bush. Now we’re at the point of implosion. Serious changes to the American way of life—all for the worse—lay in store for us and for subsequent generations, unless the conservative stranglehold on our national direction is broken.

Please vote this year. Even if you don’t care. Even if you don’t see the point. Even if you think it will do nothing to help in the end. As a personal favor to me, vote! And that goes for all of you who have American citizenship and a voter's registration.

That reminds me of another thing I hate: BEER. It tastes like carbonated earwax. Unless its Guinness. I love that for some reason.

Well said, you! Oh, it brings tears of joy to me eyes to hear such glorious praise of Guinness--the finest beer there ever was. I don't tend to like beer either, and I don't drink terribly often anyway, but Guinness...now there's a work of art brought out of the canvas and deposited upon our thirsty lips.

For your noble remarks, I am promoting you to the newly-created, special honorary post of Guru of Guinness!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on October 17, 2006, 06:19:53 am
For your noble remarks, I am promoting you to the newly-created, special honorary post of Guru of Guinness!

Holy crap! You were serious! Awesome title! :lee: I want one!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on October 17, 2006, 06:33:11 am
For your noble remarks, I am promoting you to the newly-created, special honorary post of Guru of Guinness!

Holy crap! You were serious! Awesome title! :lee: I want one!

Can't do that, but maybe there'll be a little something special for you under the shamrock next St. Paddy's Day.

(http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/3791/stpatricksdayguinnessxw3.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

Oh, and for those of you who are not of legal drinking age in your nation of residence, drinking is not cool. Sure, Guinness is cool, but some pleasures should be reserved for when you're older, wiser, and more mature. In the meantime, why not amuse yourselves with some age-appropriate fun (http://www.hasbro.com/mylittlepony/), guaranteed by Lord J.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on October 17, 2006, 06:37:52 am
Damn you, Lord J. *Shakes fist in anger*

Anyway, back to subject.

I hate emos.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on October 17, 2006, 06:39:45 am
Damn you, Lord J. *Shakes fist in anger*

Ah, you'd be surprised how many threads end like that...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on October 17, 2006, 06:40:45 am
Damn you, Lord J. *Shakes fist in anger*

Ah, you'd be surprised how many threads end like that...

With the words 'Topic Locked' following close behind.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Magus068 on October 17, 2006, 08:28:59 am
Maybe we should award Lord J. the title "The god of Death" for killing countless threads.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: CyberSarkany on October 17, 2006, 09:50:34 am
I hate learning so much damn crap at school, a waste of time, that is! Well, most of it, anyways.
Oh, and I hate people being proud of stuff like being for example german, if they use this as a reason to treat other people as lower lifes("Pride" anyone?). No, I don't hate the people, I just hate this specific part of their behaviour(just to make that clear).

And I hate that I gotto go back working for school now  :lee: We got holydays, damnit!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Celesti on October 17, 2006, 12:33:47 pm
Why do you need external factors to provide the purpose and meaning in your life? Especially something irrational. Your life is your own.
It's not necessarily faith is an external force she was talking about, I presume.

Exactly my point. Faith should never come from an external force.  Then again I should clarify: is your meaning of "external force" an entity of some kind? Or a religious institution? (Thought you ment the later but then again I might be wrong.)


Lord J esq, you have my eternal gratitude for the awesome post you gave me.  And I can't agree with you more about how important it is to vote. I'm just so out of it when it comes to current events sometimes so I didn't know it would be so soon. While I will be sure to vote for the Democratic party, I can't help to wonder if they will be that much better. (Excuse my "childish cynicism")

I'll think of you next time I drink a Guniess. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: cupn00dles on October 17, 2006, 02:38:18 pm
Why do you need external factors to provide the purpose and meaning in your life? Especially something irrational. Your life is your own.
It's not necessarily faith is an external force she was talking about, I presume.

Exactly my point. Faith should never come from an external force.  Then again I should clarify: is your meaning of "external force" an entity of some kind? Or a religious institution? (Thought you ment the later but then again I might be wrong.)


Lord J esq, you have my eternal gratitude for the awesome post you gave me.  And I can't agree with you more about how important it is to vote. I'm just so out of it when it comes to current events sometimes so I didn't know it would be so soon. While I will be sure to vote for the Democratic party, I can't help to wonder if they will be that much better. (Excuse my "childish cynicism")

I'll think of you next time I masturbate. :mrgreen:

Sorry, couldn't resist.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on October 17, 2006, 05:24:34 pm
Why do you need external factors to provide the purpose and meaning in your life? Especially something irrational. Your life is your own.
It's not necessarily faith is an external force she was talking about, I presume.

Exactly my point. Faith should never come from an external force.  Then again I should clarify: is your meaning of "external force" an entity of some kind? Or a religious institution? (Thought you ment the later but then again I might be wrong.)

Not neccisarily an entity of any sort. Basically, I do not understand why people require other ideas or groups to provide meaning and purpose to their lives. It is your life, after all. It isn't important what other people think you should be doing, or what your life means to them. That's the height of pretension on their part, and it's giving in on yours. I'm saying be the defining force in your life. If purpose and meaning are things you need in life, find the purpose and meaning that will make you who you want to be and live how you want to live.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: grey_the_angel on October 17, 2006, 06:54:04 pm
Why do you need external factors to provide the purpose and meaning in your life? Especially something irrational. Your life is your own.
It's not necessarily faith is an external force she was talking about, I presume.

Exactly my point. Faith should never come from an external force.  Then again I should clarify: is your meaning of "external force" an entity of some kind? Or a religious institution? (Thought you ment the later but then again I might be wrong.)

Not neccisarily an entity of any sort. Basically, I do not understand why people require other ideas or groups to provide meaning and purpose to their lives. It is your life, after all. It isn't important what other people think you should be doing, or what your life means to them. That's the height of pretension on their part, and it's giving in on yours. I'm saying be the defining force in your life. If purpose and meaning are things you need in life, find the purpose and meaning that will make you who you want to be and live how you want to live.
the thing is, despite all the claims of "well its not important what people think of me" you are affected by their actions/judgements and they yours.
frankly, its more of less bullshit to claim others do not effect your actions: you chose to go with or against their actions based on observation and judgement. you choose wether or not to smoke pot, you chose wether or not to drink, you chose wether or not to drink, to stay single, date, and you'll always have a reason behind it based off previous engagements with both sides of the issue. that's why we have culture and counter cultures.

Its a fundmental law of physics (sp?): for every action, there is an equal or opposite reaction.

its kinda like how children who are molested tend to have a curb to get into failing relationships.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on October 17, 2006, 10:03:36 pm
You don't really get what I'm saying. I'm not suggesting that other people have no affect on you. I'm saying that one should not allow other people, who often have no better of an understanding of the world, to define who you as a person are.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: grey_the_angel on October 17, 2006, 11:27:06 pm
You don't really get what I'm saying. I'm not suggesting that other people have no affect on you. I'm saying that one should not allow other people, who often have no better of an understanding of the world, to define who you as a person are.
but they will is my point. it will define you to an extent is what I was saying, regradless whether or not you notice it.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on October 18, 2006, 06:15:32 am
You don't really get what I'm saying. I'm not suggesting that other people have no affect on you. I'm saying that one should not allow other people, who often have no better of an understanding of the world, to define who you as a person are.
But it doesn't necessarily have to be faith in any person, or any institution. It can be faith in yourself, faith in optimism, and faith in other happy crap.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Corey Taylor on October 18, 2006, 09:46:01 pm
For the people who made a conversation about the thing about bleeding until you can't vomit anymore, you guys are quoting Clay. sumpissdkid was Clay in an attempt to get back on the compendium. But he forgot his password, lucky for you guys.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on October 19, 2006, 04:38:32 am
For the people who made a conversation about the thing about bleeding until you can't vomit anymore, you guys are quoting Clay. sumpissdkid was Clay in an attempt to get back on the compendium. But he forgot his password, lucky for you guys.
What the hell are you talking about? Are you trying to renew interest in yourself again?

I hate trying to choose which subjects you want to drob and pickup. I also hate the fact that I didn't do art and music this year, so chances of doing it next year and near impossible.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on October 20, 2006, 06:05:38 am
Yeah, I dropped Art too, and regretted it later. Now I'm stuck with crappy Technology... -_-
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: grey_the_angel on October 20, 2006, 07:45:44 am
Yeah, I dropped Art too, and regretted it later. Now I'm stuck with crappy Technology... -_-

I'm kinda glad I didn't do life drawing. I remember last year... *shivers.*

that grandma in sexy lingerie killed my sex drive for a fucking month dude.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Corey Taylor on October 20, 2006, 11:29:02 am
For the people who made a conversation about the thing about bleeding until you can't vomit anymore, you guys are quoting Clay. sumpissdkid was Clay in an attempt to get back on the compendium. But he forgot his password, lucky for you guys.
What the hell are you talking about? Are you trying to renew interest in yourself again?

I hate trying to choose which subjects you want to drob and pickup. I also hate the fact that I didn't do art and music this year, so chances of doing it next year and near impossible.
Oh my F***CKING GOD. I just want to slaughter everyone on this damn website. This is a reason why I didn't want to join. Because of the damage my retarded ass step-brother did. But the only harm I can do is to myself. I give up. If I am hated for being me than I'm leaving this site. You people just don't get it do you? I should kick the S#!T out of Clay for making Me the most hated person after just joining.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on October 20, 2006, 04:16:31 pm
I hate it when companies don't keep their "Jobs" section up to date.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on October 20, 2006, 10:19:34 pm
For the people who made a conversation about the thing about bleeding until you can't vomit anymore, you guys are quoting Clay. sumpissdkid was Clay in an attempt to get back on the compendium. But he forgot his password, lucky for you guys.
What the hell are you talking about? Are you trying to renew interest in yourself again?

I hate trying to choose which subjects you want to drob and pickup. I also hate the fact that I didn't do art and music this year, so chances of doing it next year and near impossible.
Oh my F***CKING GOD. I just want to slaughter everyone on this damn website. This is a reason why I didn't want to join. Because of the damage my retarded ass step-brother did. But the only harm I can do is to myself. I give up. If I am hated for being me than I'm leaving this site. You people just don't get it do you? I should kick the S#!T out of Clay for making Me the most hated person after just joining.
Don't worry, the most hated person is still Mr Tuesday (http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1294)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on October 21, 2006, 01:56:28 pm
For the people who made a conversation about the thing about bleeding until you can't vomit anymore, you guys are quoting Clay. sumpissdkid was Clay in an attempt to get back on the compendium. But he forgot his password, lucky for you guys.
What the hell are you talking about? Are you trying to renew interest in yourself again?

I hate trying to choose which subjects you want to drob and pickup. I also hate the fact that I didn't do art and music this year, so chances of doing it next year and near impossible.
Oh my F***CKING GOD. I just want to slaughter everyone on this damn website. This is a reason why I didn't want to join. Because of the damage my retarded ass step-brother did. But the only harm I can do is to myself. I give up. If I am hated for being me than I'm leaving this site. You people just don't get it do you? I should kick the S#!T out of Clay for making Me the most hated person after just joining.
Don't worry, the most hated person is still Mr Tuesday (http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1294)

There seems to be a lot of people without posts. :/ Mr. Tuesday ain't alone...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Chrono'99 on October 21, 2006, 01:59:29 pm
Mr. Tuesday is the bot that reports posts to moderators, when you click on the corresponding link at the bottom right of a post.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: nightmare975 on October 21, 2006, 02:15:28 pm
Damn you Mr. Tuesday! :x
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on November 16, 2006, 06:16:38 pm
In 1997, Roland, who is single, puchased a personal residence for $340,000 and took out a mortgage of $200,000 on the property. In may of the current year, when the residence had a fair market value of $440,000 and Roland owed $140,000 on the mortgage, he took out a home equity loan for $220,000. He used th funds to purchase a recreational vehicle, which he uses 100% for personal use. What is the maximum amount on which Roland can deduct home equity interest?

~

I hate my future.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on November 16, 2006, 06:45:34 pm
That defeatest attitude is not like you. Your future is still yours to decide.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Luminflare on November 17, 2006, 03:35:48 pm
As long as home equity interest doesn't have you in its death grip, anyway.
I hate people who call the Blue color in Magic: The gathering Water Type, or say their blue deck is a water deck, or etcetera. If you ever played that game, you know what I mean.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: K_K_FFXII on November 18, 2006, 03:34:38 pm
......lol.....I hate it when somebody eats the last twinkie and it's not me!!!!!  :D
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on November 30, 2006, 01:02:36 pm
I hate the fact that my better judgment is not permitting me to go drive on the icy roads. I was all set to feel like Jonny Quest and test my navigation skills on the ice, but I got stuck with the crappy car which lost control less than ten feet from the driveway. And it wasn't fun not being able to steer or stop, so I carefully backed it up and pulled it back. It's depressing me to no end, since I just burned my second 80s disc just for the occasion. Now I'm stuck here listening to Wang Chung on 5.1 surround. I wish to god I could go out there and play it on the road and feel great. I mean, at this age I can't run around like a little ape outside, or that's what I'd do. I hate how fleeting the snow is and how I can't...properly appreciate it because of that. I want to just go crazy out there and have fun.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 30, 2006, 04:14:38 pm
I had to drive on ice and snow this week, in a car that wasn't properly equipped for it--since it rarely ever snows this much in Seattle. Let me tell you...if you value your mortality, "going crazy" on the ice--or even driving on it at all--is not something to look forward to. There are better ways to risk killing yourself.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on November 30, 2006, 04:20:04 pm
Well, that was just about going crazy in general; I'm not the one to do donuts or that sort of thing. I just wanted to go to the grocery store (my favorite trip) northwest of here, get a cream soda and white Reese's, and enjoy life. But the crap car has transmission problems; it won't kick back into gear after decelerating, so one has to give it gas or just sit and wait. Giving it gas like that precludes driving on ice, and sitting and waiting...isn't much better. Nothing infuriates me like seeing my friends returning from a trip just now down the street. And then I prepared all last night for this godless tax test and it won't happen today. I really wanted to find out if I walked the line between C and D in that awful class...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on December 10, 2006, 04:34:04 pm
The Eurythmics - Sweet Dreams

This song is the biggest failure of the 1980s. Forget Nicaruaga, the rise in cocaine usage, all that stuff -- the fact that this song was adored is the absolute lowpoint of the entire decade.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on December 10, 2006, 04:40:28 pm
I take it back. Rick Astley is the biggest failure of the 1980s.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Ramsus on December 10, 2006, 05:37:16 pm
You don't really get what I'm saying. I'm not suggesting that other people have no affect on you. I'm saying that one should not allow other people, who often have no better of an understanding of the world, to define who you as a person are.

Isn't it our relationship to the world and the people around us that defines who we are? Every encounter influences you, and it wouldn't matter who you think you are if you lived in a void. You really can't avoid being defined by others, except by being quite discriminating in deciding who to surround yourself with.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on December 10, 2006, 06:24:05 pm
You don't really get what I'm saying. I'm not suggesting that other people have no affect on you. I'm saying that one should not allow other people, who often have no better of an understanding of the world, to define who you as a person are.

Isn't it our relationship to the world and the people around us that defines who we are? Every encounter influences you, and it wouldn't matter who you think you are if you lived in a void. You really can't avoid being defined by others, except by being quite discriminating in deciding who to surround yourself with.

Nothing wrong with that. I make it a point to associate mainly with other smart, funny, forward thinking people. Since some influence is unavoidable, it's worthwhile to spend time with people whose influence will be positive.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on December 12, 2006, 06:24:57 pm
I hate being distracted from something important by a pedantic accounting report involving a massive struggle to find out who audits Ford Motor Company.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: nightmare975 on December 12, 2006, 09:17:21 pm
I hate it when people think they're better than someone just because of grades or rank.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on December 13, 2006, 01:00:56 am
I hate it when people think they're better than someone just because of grades or rank.

Here:

Name: nightmare975
Grade: A
Rank: Rear Admiral

(I left you with a little bit of room for improvement...)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: nightmare975 on December 13, 2006, 01:04:10 am
I hate it when people think they're better than someone just because of grades or rank.

Here:

Name: nightmare975
Grade: A
Rank: Rear Admiral

(I left you with a little bit of room for improvement...)

Why thank you! :D I know this is the hate topic, but I love you. lol :lol:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on December 14, 2006, 08:18:45 am
I hate people who won't stand up for themselves or show any confidence in front of the 'cool crowd'. It's annoying to see such a lack of self-independence.

I also hate politicians who don't give a simple yes or no answer and complicate it with a fancy speech. It's pointless and irritating, and is just their way of buying time.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lu Su on December 14, 2006, 01:24:52 pm
i hate people who are so idotic they go aginst their own princepals
i also hate people who hate their own heritage
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on December 20, 2006, 10:51:05 am
I absolutely hate ignorance. For example, when you make a hugely important point in a discussion and someone either ignores it or instantly counts it as invalid, without even having listened to you. Not being able to make yourself clear is irritating.

And I hate anyone who says FF > Chrono. ¬¬
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Nicole_Flesher on December 23, 2006, 01:57:58 am
i hate people who think they own me
i hate being saspended from school
i hate the upper classmen in my ROTC class they choose favs to be on drill teams
i hate love
i hate when the kids at school are around the so called cool crew and you say something to them and they ackt like your not there or they say something mean (but thell talk to you in wal mart)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Magus068 on December 25, 2006, 07:24:36 am
I hate Squeenix for being so stingy...  They hate to spend money on another Chrono Trigger prequel/sequel.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: saridon on December 25, 2006, 10:12:02 am
things i hate? oh that never ending list >_> ill just say most of humanity, for many many reasons...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on December 25, 2006, 12:26:36 pm
things i hate? oh that never ending list >_> ill just say most of humanity, for many many reasons...

Same. :D

I hate fishing in Twilight Princess. Took me some time to get used to it.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on January 10, 2007, 01:44:31 pm
I hate doing the bare minimum to get by because my mind is completely on something else.

I hate all textual smileys and emoticons.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: justin3009 on January 10, 2007, 04:48:28 pm
I hate having the inspiration to do something, then when you do it, your inspiration just leaves you.
I hate on online games everyones like "lolzz1!1!HACKZOR!! I pwnzor your ebayyingzor gear!!!lololo!!!"
I hate really stuck-up people that act like they are better then anyone else in the world
I hate how people steal others ideas because they think they can make it better.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: cupn00dles on January 10, 2007, 08:18:46 pm
I hate tomatoes.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: nightmare975 on January 10, 2007, 08:37:24 pm
I hate cheerleaders. They're all fat and not dumb. I can't take advantage of them. >_<
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on January 11, 2007, 03:25:52 am
I hate tomatoes.

Thank the Entity I'm not one.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: cupn00dles on January 11, 2007, 07:45:56 am
I hate tomatoes.

Thank the Entity I'm not one.

Hahahaha, that's still to be proved!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: justin3009 on January 12, 2007, 10:57:09 pm
hmm more...

I hate people that brag non stop that they're so strong, but when you challenge them to a fight they back away and say your not worth it.  (Apparently they'd rather not risk losing)
I hate some little kids.  They just don't know when to shut up...
I hate people that say what your doing is easy and isn't worth it, yet it ends up being alot more difficult then what they do.
I hate most people in this world. 
I hate racist people because they pick on different colored skin people for their own self gratitude...
I hate people that think they're "Gangsta" and act like it.  For example, some stupid fat ass kid in our school goes around "yo get the fuck outta my way n***a.  I'll kick yo fucking ass."  Then we tell him that he's a fat ass and he says this, "Yo i'm not fat, it's just muscle."  Apparently muscle sticks out 20 feet now.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on January 12, 2007, 11:25:41 pm
I don't like the tendency of little kids to stare at me. But they often make some comment to their parents and it opens up a chance for me to tell them to eat their Wheaties or vegetables, and that it really works in making them tall.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Azure on January 13, 2007, 12:27:29 am
I hate Coke
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on January 13, 2007, 01:10:42 am
I don't like the tendency of little kids to stare at me. But they often make some comment to their parents and it opens up a chance for me to tell them to eat their Wheaties or vegetables, and that it really works in making them tall.

I was having lunch with some friends, and their two year old was present. His response to seeing me was to tug on his mother's sleeve and point: "Mommy, what's that?"
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on January 13, 2007, 02:48:10 am
Arr, a pirate, damnit! One of the mightiest to sail the seas.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on January 13, 2007, 09:08:05 am
Arr, a pirate, damnit! One of the mightiest to sail the seas.

If only Ramsus had really replied with that. ^_^
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on January 14, 2007, 04:31:41 am
Arr, a pirate, damnit! One of the mightiest to sail the seas.

Well met!

I hate no win situations.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lu Su on January 17, 2007, 04:05:25 pm
i hate not having an owl smilie  :(
Pyt Fumv you know what i mean :x

OvO
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: nightmare975 on January 17, 2007, 06:21:31 pm
I hate how the fact that just because my grades dropped to B's I can't go on the computer or play video games.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: saridon on January 18, 2007, 08:39:37 pm
I hate how the fact that just because my grades dropped to B's I can't go on the computer or play video games.

for dropping to B's? thats kinda harsh
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: justin3009 on January 18, 2007, 10:15:33 pm
Same thing with my friend.  Cept she has to have a 97% and above otherwise she's grounded...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: D r e a m on January 19, 2007, 12:24:12 am
Hm, like the average person once said "hate is a strong word." So with that being said, I dislike seeing audacious domain names like ChronoTrigger.com being occupied by a "promising fan," just to be later found relinquished or neglected.

- D r e a m
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on January 19, 2007, 09:50:24 pm
I hate Sony. Not for hugely horrendous reasons, just small reasons that probably shouldn't warrant hate, but meh. My Sony PS2 fucked up, then got stolen. My Sony Ericsson T610 got fucked up. And most of all, if you ever go to the Indian subcontinent, you'll realize why I hate Sony Entertainment Television.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: nightmare975 on January 20, 2007, 01:04:57 am
I hate the ending for Gears of War.

Wooo! Yeah! Bring it on sucka! This my kind of shit!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Exodus on January 20, 2007, 03:45:33 am
I shall now comprise a list:

1. World of Warcraft - for being so goddamn addicting
2. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion - being addicting, blah blah
3. Ragnarok Online patchers - these things piss me off with their almost constant failures to get necessary files
4. Racist minorities (self-explanatory)
5. The fact that Oklahoma has been essentially covered in ice
6. Sony - The PS3 is terrible. Simply effin' terrible.
7. Sony - Gets yet another mention: I'm tired of shoddily built Sony products that are basically built to break after warranties have expired.
8. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - this remake is just AWFUL. Throughout the film, I had the impression in mind that Wonka was a sadistic child sex predator.
9. Being unable to use both a weapon and a flashlight in Doom 3. Killing me to play it like this on Nightmare.

That wraps it up for part 1. Stick around for part 2 sometime soon!

Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on January 20, 2007, 04:24:44 pm
America moves one step closer to being controlled by powerful families and de-facto royalty:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/20/clinton.announcement/index.html
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on January 20, 2007, 08:46:03 pm
Well what do you expect, Tim Burton directed it. It's like getting Kubrick to direct the Grinch.
Something else I hate: Crash.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on January 20, 2007, 09:08:27 pm
Something else I hate: Crash.

Bandicoot?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: nightmare975 on January 20, 2007, 09:13:27 pm
Something else I hate: Crash.

The movie?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on January 22, 2007, 12:01:27 am
Something else I hate: Crash.

Bandicoot?
Wrong.
Something else I hate: Crash.

The movie?
Right.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Magus068 on January 27, 2007, 02:59:33 am
I hate MMORPG.   It's a total waste of time and money.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on February 01, 2007, 02:26:01 am
I split the MMORPG discussion into its own topic.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on February 14, 2007, 01:13:46 pm
I hate listening to a really cool song over and over again, and it becomes repetitive for a while.

I also hate the lack of snow in my country.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: cupn00dles on February 14, 2007, 01:35:57 pm
In Soviet Russia, snow lacks YOU!!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on February 14, 2007, 01:44:49 pm
In Soviet Russia, Russia Reverses cupn00dles!!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: cupn00dles on February 14, 2007, 01:52:07 pm
In Soviet Russia, reverse cupn00dles YOU!!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on February 14, 2007, 02:11:36 pm
I hate Uncyclopedia. In a good way.

(http://i12.tinypic.com/3yrwf9x.gif)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: cupn00dles on February 14, 2007, 02:15:47 pm
Is that red "x" inside a white square some kind of disapproval image?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on February 14, 2007, 03:03:53 pm
Is that red "x" inside a white square some kind of disapproval image?

Yessir.

It's fix'd now.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: nightmare975 on February 14, 2007, 09:16:16 pm
9. Being unable to use both a weapon and a flashlight in Doom 3. Killing me to play it like this on Nightmare.

Well, please stop playing on my back. I got burns from your laptop.

jk, I hate playing it like that too, that's why I like the expansion pack.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on February 18, 2007, 10:14:29 pm
THROUGH, NOT "THRU", YOU BASTARDS
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kyronea on February 18, 2007, 10:21:13 pm
THROUGH, NOT "THRU", YOU BASTARDS
Oh, most definitely.

For that matter, people who can't spell definitely. It's not that hard.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: nightmare975 on February 18, 2007, 10:35:00 pm
I allso hate it wen peple don't spel ryte.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: cupn00dles on February 18, 2007, 10:46:20 pm
THROUGH, NOT "THRU", YOU BASTARDS

Go tell it to those fucking McDonald's. Damned capitalist pigs.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on February 18, 2007, 10:46:44 pm
I hate it when people can't spell the "idiot" words.

Resistance.
Persistence.
Existence.

People seem to struggle with anything that ends in tence or tance.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kyronea on February 18, 2007, 10:50:58 pm
At least that kind of mistake is understandable, though. Not that I would defend it, but it's still understandable, versus thru being used instead of through.

On another subject: Tom Tancredo. I live in that guy's district and all he ever does when in office is whine about illegal immigration in a racist fashion, always trying to go for the worst possible solutions to the problem, ect ect. Sure he acts nice and decent during an election cycle but otherwise, it's insane idiot time. And he's running for the Republican nomination for President too...*shivers in disgust*
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on February 18, 2007, 10:53:08 pm
SMC BARRICADE ROUTER

MAY YOU BURN IN HELL FOREVER

FOR SIX YEARS IVE BEEN TRYING TO FORWARD ONE GODDAMN PORT FOR P2P USE BUT FOR SIX YEARS THE STUPID THING HAS NEVER WORKED

TUTORIALS HAVE COME AND GONE BUT THIS WORTHLESS ROUTER REFUSES TO FORWARD A PORT, WITH OR WITHOUT ANY SOFTWARE FIREWALLS

DIE
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: cupn00dles on February 18, 2007, 11:01:02 pm
SMC BARRICADE ROUTER

MAY YOU BURN IN HELL FOREVER

FOR SIX YEARS IVE BEEN TRYING TO FORWARD ONE GODDAMN PORT FOR P2P USE BUT FOR SIX YEARS THE STUPID THING HAS NEVER WORKED

TUTORIALS HAVE COME AND GONE BUT THIS WORTHLESS ROUTER REFUSES TO FORWARD A PORT, WITH OR WITHOUT ANY SOFTWARE FIREWALLS

DIE


And that, gentlemen, is exactly the way you should never present your posts here at the Compendium. Nice example ZealitY. It's good to see that even though you're the omnipotent creative power in command of things around here you still have time to teach the little ones of just how NOT to behave inside your domain.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kyronea on February 18, 2007, 11:05:19 pm
I emphasize with you, Zeality. I really do. I spent months on my old computer a couple years back trying to get a bittorrent client to work through the hardware firewall my parents had on our old wireless router. What's really annoying is, just a few days after I finally managed it, the router broke! They never got a hardware firewall again, and it bugged the crap out of me that all that hard work went for naught.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on February 18, 2007, 11:08:57 pm
...It's hell.

Now that I've upgraded to Windows XP SP 2, connecting to peers is slower than hell. It takes 30 minutes to get up to 60 connections total on a torrent with 9000 seeds and 1000 peers. Good God, do I have to dual boot Windows 98 SE? I've already blown the TCP/IP limitation to all hell and have tried (and untried) running without firewall or router limitations, but christ. This torrent is being a giant jerk.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kyronea on February 18, 2007, 11:16:37 pm
Yeah, I know that feeling too. At least now I'm finally using uTorrent. Don't know why I never did before--I was using BitTornado. This uses up far less memory and can actually defeat the limitations put into place by Qwest DSL that kept me limited before. (Not that the memory bit is actually an issue given that my computer has two gigs of it, but meh.)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on February 18, 2007, 11:20:31 pm
Hear, hear. My final conquest will be getting all the components necessary to capture perfect TV to work. Win98 had issues with VirtualVCR (or whatever the VirtualDub spinoff was called), which is basically needed to get the best quality material and apply changes (like eliminating telecining). Then I will have finally fulfilled my education of how TV Tuners and capturing TV work, at which point I will not pirate anything...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kyronea on February 18, 2007, 11:24:15 pm
Actually, I don't think downloading television episodes is piracy yet. There's still quite the legal grey area where that's concerned, and the way I see it, once I move out, I won't ever have to pay for a television subscription. Anything I want to watch can be downloaded, which suits me just fine.

Still, good luck. I've had friends struggle a lot with trying to get capturing to work properly and fail miserably for weeks before succeeding.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Zakyrus on February 23, 2007, 02:40:54 pm
Stuff I hate?

This bitch right here:
http://x17online.com/celebrities/britney_spears/x17_xclusive_britney_rages.php

This will give ANYONE a good laugh...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on February 23, 2007, 08:11:35 pm
Stuff I hate?

This bitch right here:
http://x17online.com/celebrities/britney_spears/x17_xclusive_britney_rages.php

This will give ANYONE a good laugh...

I think it is sad for people to feel hatred toward someone who so obviously deserves sympathy, or pity. What has she done that deserves scorn?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on February 23, 2007, 10:38:25 pm
She's made awful music and has given the wrong image to millions of teenage fans.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: nightmare975 on February 23, 2007, 10:50:14 pm
She's just doing this for attention.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kyronea on February 23, 2007, 11:15:55 pm
Ooh, I know: Fred Phelps. I cannot stand him or any other anti-homosexual group. They disgust me to no end, especially since they combine their bigotry with fundamental religious beliefs, which I also despise. (I have no problem with normal religion. It's the extremists that piss me off.)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on February 23, 2007, 11:19:32 pm
She's made awful music and has given the wrong image to millions of teenage fans.

But that isn't what Zakyrus was talking about.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on February 25, 2007, 07:18:35 pm
I'm tired of feeling horrible about winning at Ebay. I bought an item and will share its contents with the world on my personal server, so I deserve to get it. Still, I feel as if I've denied someone something he or she really desired. Ebay won't let me contact the losing bidder (which is good, as a lot of fraud happens this way), or else I'd inform this person that I will upload the contents of the disc.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: justin3009 on February 26, 2007, 05:10:56 pm
I agree with Kyronae..
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Zakyrus on February 27, 2007, 08:19:35 am
She's made awful music and has given the wrong image to millions of teenage fans.

But that isn't what Zakyrus was talking about.

...how 'bout neighbors how repeatedly blast her music (the same songs) for the entire neighborhood to hear --whether it is liked or not.  :x


I know it's bad for 'the balance' (insert yin/yang here) to feel such negativity. But that's one thing I can't forgive. (So it's an indirect grudge to her)

I guess you could say I hate my neighbors too then. They are the "Religeous Zealot/Fanatic" type that Kyronea is talking about. (a chill goes through every atom of my being just thinking about it)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Zakyrus on February 27, 2007, 08:21:02 am
She's made awful music and has given the wrong image to millions of teenage fans.

But that isn't what Zakyrus was talking about.

...how 'bout bratty neighbor's kids how repeatedly blast her music (the same songs) for the entire neighborhood to hear --whether it is liked or not.  :x


I know it's bad for 'the balance' (insert yin/yang here) to feel such negativity. But that's one thing I can't forgive. (So it's an indirect grudge to her)

I guess you could say I hate my neighbors too then. They are the "Religeous Zealot/Fanatic" type that Kyronea is talking about. (a chill goes through every atom of my being just thinking about it)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on March 08, 2007, 12:37:30 am
I hate when I begin to hate someone for who he or she truly is. I make all kinds of allowances for redeeming qualities and experiences, and then I try to just ignore such a person when that fails. But lately, I have come to despise someone purely for this person's identity and behavior. It is utter cretinism. There are a couple others at work making their way down the list to this rare classification in my book as well.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on March 08, 2007, 01:14:48 am
Hatred is a bold emotion. To consciously and willfully hate somebody will hurt your blood pressure. Aim for pity and disgust instead.

=)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on March 11, 2007, 10:05:38 pm
I dislike this episode of The Next Generation:

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Half_a_Life

Deanna Troi's defense of the "Ritual" to her mother is cowardly, along with the ultimate decision to yield. Helping him escape would have caused a diplomatic crisis. So what? The idiots of Kalaen II have chosen their fate either way. If he dies, his work is rejected; if he lives, his work is rejected. Someone of Picard's tactical stature could have escaped the two threatening attack ships easily enough. Tasha Yar would have never stood for this. Never. This episode is an embarrassing pandering to blind, progress-adverse tradition, the very stuff which weighs humanity down and caused Bruce Lee to start thinking for himself and shaping a philosophy of practical, ideal freedom. For shame.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on March 12, 2007, 01:52:16 pm
Every show ends up having a few 'bad eggs', Doctor Who's 'Love & Monsters' being one of these (in which a popular comedian was used with a half-assed plot to gain ratings).

Hm... something I hate... People who allow their freedom to be dictated, and those who drink and smoke excessively, which just destroys them mentally, as I see it.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: hotspot on March 12, 2007, 01:59:04 pm
One thing that annoys me is tv commercials about a resturant that isn't even by you, for example i see commercials about a resturant called sonic but i have never seen one or heard of it anywhere i don't think there are any sonics in new york they also do this with dairy queen there are no dairy queens in new york but there are dairy queens in new jersey and sometimes i go to new jersey to go to my grandma's trailer that she has there(she doesnt live there thought) so i'm okay with the dairy queen commercials.


i hate the tv show 12 oz mouse  the drawings are absolutly horrible i don't know how it even became a tv show!

I hate it when people say mean things about a tv show or video game that i like.
I also hate monkeys i think they are ugly and stupid and annoying i absolutley hate monkeys!
I also hate my father because he is mean and he always picks on me.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: justin3009 on March 13, 2007, 05:06:59 pm
I hate how american dubs ruin every good anime show their is.
I hate people that pick on others for who they are!  (That just happened to one of my friends yesterday!  Oh, the bitching at the dude was fun i'll say that.)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on March 19, 2007, 01:57:44 am
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Rick Astley. His 80s music blows. After '86, it seems like the synthpop / rock sound was commercialized and custom-fitted for worthless singers who did not play their own instruments or compose their own songs and lyrics. The late 80s is is continually disappointing in terms of its music. Rick Astley is like a huge poster child of the trend.

ENGLISH CORNER:

I had this drilled into my mind in Junior English, so I'll pass it on. Continually means most of the time. Continuously means all of the time. Use this distinction to your advantage and erudition.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on March 19, 2007, 02:58:42 am
You're wrong on that one, Z.

"Continuous" describes to an uninterrupted interval; something that happens without diversion. "The alarm blared continuously as Fox News continuously spewed out the most egregious bullshit imaginable."

"Continual" describes something that occurs repeatedly over time. "I continually threw up as Fox News continually trumped its utterly egregious bullshit with bullshit even steamier and meatier than anyone had ever before conceived."
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on March 19, 2007, 03:08:55 am
Well, the idea was right in my head, at least; the translation to text was not successful. I'm just thankful you weren't arguing in favor if Rick Astley!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kyronea on March 19, 2007, 03:15:02 am
I'll tell you something I hate: Rupert Murdoch. If it weren't for Rupert , we wouldn't even have Fox News, or at least it wouldn't have its American conservative slant...it'd probably just have the corporate bias that CNN, NBC, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, and all the others have. Disgusting, really, not to mention his politics are...unpleasant.

I also find Ann Coulter despicable, a pure representation of opposing my social views entirely.

EDIT: I also hate that no other forum type warns you of new posts while you're typing up a reply. It's such a useful feature!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: nightmare975 on March 19, 2007, 11:11:23 pm
I hate how our own people (read: liberals) want us out of Iraq. I'd expect this stuff from Iraqis, but not true and blue Americans. Heh, shows you what free speach does for a country.

I also hate how I'm like the only Conservative on this forum.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kyronea on March 19, 2007, 11:16:04 pm
I hate how our own people (read: liberals) want us out of Iraq. I'd expect this stuff from Iraqis, but not true and blue Americans. Heh, shows you what free speach does for a country.

I also hate how I'm like the only Conservative on this forum.
I hate how people are so easily fooled by propaganda on any side of any political debate.

I also hate the war in Iraq. It was completely unfounded and has singlehandedly produced more terrorists than any other action the United States has taken in the past twenty years has. It's done the exact opposite of what it was intended to do, has harmed our country financially, and it has killed so many innocent civilians in Iraq and caused unnecessary losses of life amongst our military forces.

I also hate how people don't understand just how tragically chaotic Iraq really is. The situation was kept in check by Hussein. A horrible leader? You betcha. But at least he kept everyone from killing each other. Women were treated properly, were able to get educations and whatnot. It was not a great place, to be sure. He commited atrocities, yes, but under his reign things were at least stable. I don't see Iraq becoming stable for another two decades thanks to our idiocy now.

I also hate that Osama Bin Laden has yet to be caught, and could have been had we not shifted our main focus from Afghanistan.

Hell even in Afghanistan we're not doing things properly, though at least more international forces are involved there.

I also hate that this has made me break my vow of debating politics on a forum outside of NationStates.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Feez on March 19, 2007, 11:24:15 pm
I hate College Board.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on March 19, 2007, 11:47:45 pm
I hate how our own people (read: liberals) want us out of Iraq. I'd expect this stuff from Iraqis, but not true and blue Americans. Heh, shows you what free speach does for a country.

I hate people who think that freedom of speech is for people who agree with them.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kyronea on March 19, 2007, 11:58:19 pm

I hate people who think that freedom of speech is for people who agree with them.
I hate any censoring of any speech whatsoever. That's what freedom of speech means. It has nothing to do with protecting speech you like. Hitler was for speech he liked, as was Stalin. But for speech they didn't like, they were against.

Sure, I hate hearing racist comments, or ignorant, baseless political opinions such as nightmare975's, but I'll be damned if I won't protect their right to say it.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on March 20, 2007, 12:11:53 am

I hate people who think that freedom of speech is for people who agree with them.
I hate any censoring of any speech whatsoever. That's what freedom of speech means. It has nothing to do with protecting speech you like. Hitler was for speech he liked, as was Stalin. But for speech they didn't like, they were against.

Sure, I hate hearing racist comments, or ignorant, baseless political opinions such as nightmare975's, but I'll be damned if I won't protect their right to say it.

That's the point. Freedom of speech exists soley to protect unpopular speech, because popular speech needs no protection. nightmare975 resents "liberals" protesting the war in Iraq. Good. His hearing things he resents means that freedom of speech is working. You hate nightmare975's conservative venting? Good. Your reading things you hate means freedom of speech is working.

Dissent is relative.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kyronea on March 20, 2007, 12:15:55 am
Quote from: Radical_Dreamer
That's the point. Freedom of speech exists soley to protect unpopular speech, because popular speech needs no protection. nightmare975 resents "liberals" protesting the war in Iraq. Good. His hearing things he resents means that freedom of speech is working. You hate nightmare975's conservative venting? Good. Your reading things you hate means freedom of speech is working.

Dissent is relative.
Indeed. I was agreeing with you and adding on to your points, not dissenting. I hate it when I can't phrase a forum post correctly.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: nightmare975 on March 20, 2007, 12:30:04 am
I hate America. Why? Because I can. I love free speech, just not hate speech. I hate the fact that still in the south, a black man can still be discriminated, I hate how people can waltz around and promote racism. I hate a lot of things, hell I hate half the people on this forum.

Humanity as a whole sucks. Why? Because we have the technology to make life better, but we spend our time building armies and nuclear weapons. We wage wars over nothing, humanity should be at peace with one another, instead we hate eachother because of stupid beliefs and shit like that. That's why humanity will kill themselves off.

Oh, and for hating me, Kyronea, I hate you.

And I also hate you Radical_Dreamer, I never said I thought free speach was for people who agreed with me, I said our hating of our own troops and president reflects on the rest of the world. This is why Democracy doesn't spread, people see and hear us using free speach to hate our fellow brothers. Would you want your country running around like that? Neither would I.

You know what? Let me just end it with I hate everyone, everything and anything that will exist. I hate hate, hate hates me. Hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate HATE!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kyronea on March 20, 2007, 12:35:18 am
Woah...calm down there, Nightmare975. I never said I hated you. I hated the position and the ignorance, never the person. I'm too kind and caring to hate any person. Hell, even hating positions can be tough for me--with the exception of a few, such as racism, sexism, and homophobia--but beyond that I have trouble being anything other than a nice guy. It's actually a good thing because I used to be such a negative, selfish bastard. I hated that me. I'm glad I changed.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: nightmare975 on March 20, 2007, 12:41:17 am
I used to feel the way you feel now, but then someone I loved and I thought loved me too decided to go and dump my gift into the trash. So yeah, you can see why I'm so fucking angry.

Sorry for taking it out on you. I don't have anyone to yell to. So yeah, sorry.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kyronea on March 20, 2007, 12:51:07 am
I used to feel the way you feel now, but then someone I loved and I thought loved me too decided to go and dump my gift into the trash. So yeah, you can see why I'm so fucking angry.

Sorry for taking it out on you. I don't have anyone to yell to. So yeah, sorry.
Don't worry about it. I can understand that feeling all too well.

Might I suggest something? If you have a bit of trouble controlling your anger, find a way to channel it. I know it's cliche, but maybe a huge boxing bag to beat up on would help, or maybe one of those stuffed target manniquins if you need something vageuly human like. Also, exercise. It helps everything.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: nightmare975 on March 20, 2007, 12:54:35 am
I took anger management last year, but this newfound form of betrayl is just making it tough for me. I usually channel it into my book, but it just isn't helping.

I hate how I can't get out of this writer's block.

I also hate that Casino Royale movie, the book is so much better.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kyronea on March 20, 2007, 01:05:47 am
I hate how movie adaptations of books are never as close to the book as they should be. It's why I somewhat liked the first two Harry Potter movies because they were so close to their respective books.

I also hate underripe bananas. Argh!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Ramsus on March 20, 2007, 01:19:09 am
When I'm upset, I like to take nice long hot baths and indulge in some good food and drinks. I also sleep -- a lot. When I'm really angry though, I'll do some exercise or completely clean up everything. If I were living in a house, maybe I'd go mow the lawn, even though I hate doing it.

Sometimes you need to just stop thinking and go through the motions of life before you can start being creative again. Hell, feel free to punish yourself a little by making yourself do things you should do, but normally avoid because you hate doing them. You might not feel better, but you won't feel any worse.

Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on March 20, 2007, 01:32:47 am
I agree, exercise can be a potent stress reliever. Lifting weights is good for this. Nothing like cold, unfeeling iron to recieve the forces your angry muscles rage to exert. Long walks with a good mp3 player are also quite good, they allow you to get away from the world of your stress and leave you alone with your thoughts, forcing you deal with things. This goes double if you have parks or nature trails within walking distance.

I hate that my present scheduel makes it harder for me to find time to take my walks.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on March 20, 2007, 03:41:19 am
I agree with you on one count, nightmare: Even though I wish we hadn't had this war, I am not cool with us just up and leaving Iraq. We done ruined those people's shit; I don't even want to get into the fact that the relatively emancipated women of Iraq are going to go back to the stone age of strict Islamic law. Then there're the some hundred thousand civilians who got killed since Saddam was unseated, making our occupation worse for them than his rule ever was.

Nevertheless, short of tripling or quadrupling the number of troops we have in Iraq, staying there is only going to make things even worse. We have failed. We were doomed from the start, because the administration had a hopeless postwar strategy, and we have seen the consequences of our ignorance come to pass.

I want our troops out of Iraq as soon as we can logistically extract them, because they're not doing anything over there but getting themselves and more Iraqis killed. As much as it horrifies me to think of leaving Iraq to genocide and religious barbarism, victory is not an option and apparently it never was. We have but two choices now: Leave and accept the horrible thing we did to another sovereign people, or stay and do even worse to them--at extreme cost in American blood and treasure.

The word "dilemma" in its strict form means "two choices." I think that word is apt here.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kyronea on March 20, 2007, 03:48:35 am
Aye. The complete and utter chaos that Iraq has fallen into will not be solved by our troops remaining there. We're stretched as it is and simply cannot manage the necessary increase in troops to stabilize the region.

So, we have to move out. I personally favour our troops getting out of there immediately, if only because delaying would serve no purpose.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Ramsus on March 20, 2007, 03:56:03 pm
I hate people who can't write sentences that make logical sense. I mean, bad grammar is acceptable to a point, but when you're text becomes babbling nonsense with no obvious or deducible meaning, it makes communication pretty much pointless.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: cupn00dles on March 20, 2007, 05:58:39 pm
I hate people who can't write sentences that make logical sense. I mean, bad grammar is acceptable to a point, but when you're text becomes babbling nonsense with no obvious or deducible meaning, it makes communication pretty much pointless.

dats cuz poirntels nows how u do it, yaw?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Ramsus on March 20, 2007, 08:45:44 pm
I hate people who can't write sentences that make logical sense. I mean, bad grammar is acceptable to a point, but when you're text becomes babbling nonsense with no obvious or deducible meaning, it makes communication pretty much pointless.

dats cuz poirntels nows how u do it, yaw?

I only hate it when it's unintentional.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: cupn00dles on March 20, 2007, 11:02:00 pm
I hate people who can't write sentences that make logical sense. I mean, bad grammar is acceptable to a point, but when you're text becomes babbling nonsense with no obvious or deducible meaning, it makes communication pretty much pointless.

dats cuz poirntels nows how u do it, yaw?

I only hate it when it's unintentional.

Oh, I see.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kyronea on March 20, 2007, 11:15:58 pm
I hate the character Kodachi in Ranma 1/2. She is just an annoying bitch with an irritating laugh and a disgusting personality. UGH! One of the few characters in anything I've ever hated, really.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on April 04, 2007, 12:27:01 am
I absolutely loathe writing papers. Despite all the points I get for my analytical papers, it always feels like I'm reinventing the wheel or pushing a boulder up a hill when I do one, as if there is absolutely nothing I can take away with experience.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kyronea on April 04, 2007, 12:39:39 am
I hate my exercise-induced asthma...it's been holding me back somewhat. Hopefully with the new exercise at the gym I can force it down over time with practice, but it's still an extreme irritant towards any activity.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on April 04, 2007, 01:27:27 am
I hate my exercise-induced asthma...it's been holding me back somewhat. Hopefully with the new exercise at the gym I can force it down over time with practice, but it's still an extreme irritant towards any activity.

I'm also asthmatic. It was never a real problem for me with weightlifting, but running is generally off the table for me. I've found that I can power walk quite quickly (nearly 5mph at last check) without it flairing up, since it's still the even breathing of walking. You might want to try that instead of jogging/running.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kyronea on April 04, 2007, 01:34:32 am
Aye...I've also noticed that with exercise bikes I'm fine so long as the program doesn't randomly shift between different rates of difficulty...I'd be able to do well on a normal bike but the roads around here--I live up in the rural mountains--are so uneven that it's just too difficult to get up to speed, and the only bike I have is hardly suited for mountain biking in any case.

Still...I think I can control it with time and training...the key is to not give up any sort of exercise despite it...I'm too fat as it is to do otherwise.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on April 08, 2007, 01:51:44 am
I hate the fact that my Cowboy Bebop collection is totally invalidated now that it's all been remastered in 5.1 surround sound. On that note, I hate DVD milking of every kind. I know that even if I buy the first Pirates box set, a second will debut a year or two after containing some amazing new interview or featurette. This is hell on archivists.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kyronea on April 08, 2007, 03:59:32 pm
I hate snow. I despise it. It is April and yet it snows even as I type! Damn you, Colorado! Is rain too much to ask?! Can we not please have rain now?!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on April 08, 2007, 04:24:55 pm
I've probably already said it at some point in this thread, but I hate it when saved information--and writing in particular--is lost on the computer via software crash, hardware malfunction, or electrical outage. Hate, hate, hate it!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on April 08, 2007, 05:51:21 pm
I've probably already said it at some point in this thread, but I hate it when saved information--and writing in particular--is lost on the computer via software crash, hardware malfunction, or electrical outage. Hate, hate, hate it!

That's why I have two hard drives, and regularly ensure redundancy. I'm thinking of doing a RAID-1 array when I build my next computer, now that they have eSATA enclosures in my price/capability range.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on April 08, 2007, 06:35:15 pm
Yes indeed. But for the loss of writing, software failures are the biggest problem for me. I did lose a hard drive once, including some of the contents thereon, but far more often has my browser crashed or my operating system failed, leading to a greater loss of information.

Be that as it may, I have got one sweet redundancy system planned for my long-stalled computer build project.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Nathan Jonas Jordison on April 17, 2007, 01:26:25 am
Instead of another hard drive.... floppy discs, data cds, DVDRW... but it's your choice.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kyronea on April 17, 2007, 04:15:49 am
I hate when I let my emotions get the better of me and I start taking out my frustration on everyone, especially people I respect...I'm not a mean person by nature and I don't like hurting people, in any fashion.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: SergeTheRadicalDreamer on April 17, 2007, 02:46:53 pm
I hate drama.  Hate hate hate drama.  I cherish my emotions but I dont see why people feel the need to amplify them and wreak havoc.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Magus068 on April 18, 2007, 09:02:39 am
I hate drama.  Hate hate hate drama.  I cherish my emotions but I dont see why people feel the need to amplify them and wreak havoc.

Yeah, I see tons of it in local TV channels.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: SergeTheRadicalDreamer on April 19, 2007, 07:57:10 pm
I hate drama.  Hate hate hate drama.  I cherish my emotions but I dont see why people feel the need to amplify them and wreak havoc.

Yeah, I see tons of it in local TV channels.
Me too, especially the news.  I get all of my news from the internet and the Daily Show now.  Sadly, a place where anyone can post anything and a parody news show seem to be more accurate and on topic than the stuff you see on TV.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: grey_the_angel on April 19, 2007, 08:01:40 pm
I hate drawing for 8 hours and not getting an image done.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Beeyo on April 20, 2007, 05:22:47 am
Is this a thread where you're supposed to tell everyone about the things you hate? Cuz I hate those.

I hate peanut butter also. It tastes so... Unnatural.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on May 03, 2007, 12:38:41 am
FUCK DIGITAL RIGHTS MANAGEMENT

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Much applause to AOL for completely locking out free episodes available for download. Free. But thanks to DRM, these wonderfully free episodes can only be seen through AOL's proprietary Video Player. The .wmv on my hard drive is useless unless I play it through my browser, which renders it choppy and completely unwatchable. And, to make matters worse, the video player is designed so that the DRM license never touches the end user's computer, meaning any removal cracks can't detect it and fix the video file.

(http://www.giantrobotprinting.com/store/images/shirts/drm/preview.png)

I am for copyright law. But I am against fair use paranoia and restriction. Let DRM be buried forever.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kyronea on May 03, 2007, 01:28:04 am
FUCK DIGITAL RIGHTS MANAGEMENT

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Much applause to AOL for completely locking out free episodes available for download. Free. But thanks to DRM, these wonderfully free episodes can only be seen through AOL's proprietary Video Player. The .wmv on my hard drive is useless unless I play it through my browser, which renders it choppy and completely unwatchable. And, to make matters worse, the video player is designed so that the DRM license never touches the end user's computer, meaning any removal cracks can't detect it and fix the video file.

(http://www.giantrobotprinting.com/store/images/shirts/drm/preview.png)

I am for copyright law. But I am against fair use paranoia and restriction. Let DRM be buried forever.
I hate Digital Rights Management too. It causes nothing but disaster and harms only the legal users of any media.

Still, you should be able to find what you're trying to watch through some other means, so all is not lost....just some hope in human decency.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on May 03, 2007, 07:03:39 am
DRM is bullshit. Kudos to EMI for releasing their songs on iTunes without DRM.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on May 04, 2007, 01:09:25 am
Fuck all candy suckers. Stupid things do nothing but cut my damn tongue when a hard edge drags across it as I struggle to taste the flavor.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on May 04, 2007, 01:51:52 am
Fuck all candy suckers. Stupid things do nothing but cut my damn tongue when a hard edge drags across it as I struggle to taste the flavor.

You are crossing what I call the Linkin Park Line, Z.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on May 04, 2007, 01:56:07 am
It's a difficult pet peeve. Throughout my tenure at work, I had access to suckers. Most of the time, they would cut my tongue, which would smart for the rest of the day. I would be able to taste a little blood for the next hour after the fact. Just now, I tried to eat one last sucker I took with me, and it cut my tongue, which continues to irritate me. This is a declaration of war!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kyronea on May 04, 2007, 02:08:56 am
Ah, yes, because clearly candy suckers are all out to get you.

I'm sorry, but I just can't help laughing at this. Of course, I have similiar pet peeves, and to be honest I do sympathise, as I hate it when my own tongue is cut, but still...come on, Zeality, just choose some other candy if these suckers keep bugging you like this.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on May 04, 2007, 02:59:06 am
White Reese's are currency to me. Pay me in them if you need a favor!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kyronea on May 04, 2007, 05:54:11 am
Oh okay.

I hate those irritatingly frustratingly distracting sirens that always play continuously in some games when your HP is critical. Yes, game, I KNOW! Shut up already!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on May 04, 2007, 09:22:44 am
Ah, which reminds me: I hate when good background music is interrupted to play the same old battle music for the sixty millionth time.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Beeyo on May 04, 2007, 09:39:02 am
Did anybody play Grandia Xtreme?
Cuz I did, and I hated it. 40 freakin bucks. I hope Grandia Xtreme dies a slow, painful, possibly fiery death.
But I love Candy Suckers.

The porn star, not the candy. :D
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kyronea on May 04, 2007, 07:22:49 pm
Ah, which reminds me: I hate when good background music is interrupted to play the same old battle music for the sixty millionth time.
Especially when said battle music is horrible, as in the case of one of the games I was playing that also has that irritating siren, Pokemon Leaf Green. (Shut up, Pokemon haters...I like the games, because they're intricate and quite interesting, even if most of the creatures are ridiculous when taking biology into acocunt.)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on May 05, 2007, 12:13:57 am
Ah, which reminds me: I hate when good background music is interrupted to play the same old battle music for the sixty millionth time.

The people at my office seem to only want to speak to me within 30 seconds of me putting on my headphones. This vexes me greatly.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Korro on May 05, 2007, 12:21:57 am
People who seem content on bein an ass. :lee:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: cupn00dles on May 05, 2007, 01:35:39 am
I hate this damn cut in my finger which is still open after three days. Fucking glass shard.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on May 05, 2007, 03:52:28 am
Take the shard out.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on May 05, 2007, 11:29:31 am
Ah, which reminds me: I hate when good background music is interrupted to play the same old battle music for the sixty millionth time.
Especially when said battle music is horrible, as in the case of one of the games I was playing that also has that irritating siren, Pokemon Leaf Green. (Shut up, Pokemon haters...I like the games, because they're intricate and quite interesting, even if most of the creatures are ridiculous when taking biology into acocunt.)

The Pokemon games are awesome. Very interesting when taking Effort Values and such into account, and trying to raise a Pokemon with perfect stats and nature. And yeah, that irritating siren is a bitch. XD

Ah, which reminds me: I hate when good background music is interrupted to play the same old battle music for the sixty millionth time.

The people at my office seem to only want to speak to me within 30 seconds of me putting on my headphones. This vexes me greatly.

I get interrupted upon putting on my headphones, too. Vexes me as well. =/
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: cupn00dles on May 05, 2007, 11:30:29 am
I did so instinctively, right after it stick in my finger... I mean, the shard was the size of a coin, no way I would leave it there.  :lee:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Korro on May 05, 2007, 03:10:08 pm
I love the pokemon games but personally the anime sucks now IT RECYCLES ALL ITS FREAKIN IDEAS!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: kian on May 08, 2007, 02:20:00 pm
de la hoya and mayweather both getting paid for that garbage they pulled saturday.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Beeyo on May 09, 2007, 10:03:56 am
I hate the police force in Upstate New York.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Beeyo on May 11, 2007, 10:16:55 am
Every single friend I grew up with is now officially either dead or in a federal penetentiary. Don't you hate when that happens?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on May 11, 2007, 11:03:52 am
I love the pokemon games but personally the anime sucks now IT RECYCLES ALL ITS FREAKIN IDEAS!

True. The anime began recycling at an early stage, and it also has terrible animation, especially in 'battles'. There's no plot and it's a pathetic, half-assed show.

The games, though, are very fun, and I can't wait to buy Diamond. Wi-fi battling sounds awesome.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kyronea on May 11, 2007, 11:17:37 am
The games, though, are very fun, and I can't wait to buy Diamond. Wi-fi battling sounds awesome.
I did some testing of Diamond and Pearl emulation wise prior to allowing my little brother to purchase the game for his DS, just to ensure they met my quality standards so his money wasn't wasted. They did.

Which reminds me...I hate how there are no decent DS emulators whatsoever...every single one is chock full of barely being able to run anything.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: deniz2099 on June 06, 2007, 06:01:24 pm
I hate the girls in my school, who dates out with too many lads one by one. They don't give a damn thing about anything, they think that they really know everything,  they laugh at everything... And when you tell them that they're just some damn eye-bu**ering little dumb*** s**ts, they try to teach you a lesson but they can't.

(Sorry for using too many slangs.)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on June 07, 2007, 02:12:43 am
I hate the girls in my school, who dates out with too many lads one by one.

Interesting that you should mention that tonight. I just got done reading this week's discussion in the ongoing feminism series at another website I frequent. This week's topic was shame, and a prominent part of that was a look at how women are supposed to feel ashamed of themselves for having too many sexual partners, which, depending on which sexist you ask, can be anywhere from one partner on up through some arbitrary number that's usually under eight.

You're still young, and immersed in the cultural ocean around you, but I put it to you that you have a sexist problem, my good sir. You need to work that out. No woman (or man) should be inherently ashamed for having any number of sex partners.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on June 07, 2007, 02:29:21 am
Or at least, if these people truly are shallow and flippant and this forms the basis of your beef, extend the accusation of shallowness to their male partners as well. But for the most part, they're probably just normal kids.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: deniz2099 on June 07, 2007, 06:55:37 am
I hate the girls in my school, who dates out with too many lads one by one.

Interesting that you should mention that tonight. I just got done reading this week's discussion in the ongoing feminism series at another website I frequent. This week's topic was shame, and a prominent part of that was a look at how women are supposed to feel ashamed of themselves for having too many sexual partners, which, depending on which sexist you ask, can be anywhere from one partner on up through some arbitrary number that's usually under eight.

You're still young, and immersed in the cultural ocean around you, but I put it to you that you have a sexist problem, my good sir. You need to work that out. No woman (or man) should be inherently ashamed for having any number of sex partners.

I didn't mean to shame the girls for having sex partners. Umm, I couldn't exactly explain what I wanted. The lads they go out with, they're not their sex partners... I wanted to tell something another, but I'm not able to tell it 'cause my English is not enough for that ( :cry:  :lol: ). Anyway, nevermind.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on June 09, 2007, 12:14:05 am
Maybe Lord J is too old to understand our generation  :wink: I think what he means is that they're just very annoying girls that have that annoying laugh and go out with guys just to conform to a certain trend. Because if that is what he meant, I hate those kind of girls too.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kyronea on June 09, 2007, 12:36:34 am
Maybe Lord J is too old to understand our generation  :wink: I think what he means is that they're just very annoying girls that have that annoying laugh and go out with guys just to conform to a certain trend. Because if that is what he meant, I hate those kind of girls too.
Yes, because six years older is a huge gap.

Anyway, I hate how when I finally--FINALLY--have enough ambition and determination to see through a project to the end rather than giving up only part-way through events out of my control--and the control of those with whom I work--consipre to delay and otherwise potentially ruin that which I try to achieve.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on June 09, 2007, 01:57:29 am
Bah, that's the fate effect. And the only way to overcome it is to unleash the self-will and battle the elements in a test of determination.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on June 09, 2007, 02:24:44 am
How old is Lord J?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kyronea on June 09, 2007, 12:54:20 pm
Bah, that's the fate effect. And the only way to overcome it is to unleash the self-will and battle the elements in a test of determination.
Indeed. I've got another project in mind that I'm tempted to start--it's not related to Chrono Trigger, at least not directly--but I'm holding off on that for a few more days before starting it to ensure I'm actually fully interested in the project idea and that I won't decide I'm no longer interested part-way through or what have you.

How old is Lord J?
Twenty-four.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on June 10, 2007, 12:04:16 am
Well, then it is a 10 year gap.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Magus068 on June 20, 2007, 04:59:04 am
Maybe Lord J is too old to understand our generation  :wink: I think what he means is that they're just very annoying girls that have that annoying laugh and go out with guys just to conform to a certain trend. Because if that is what he meant, I hate those kind of girls too.

Or perhaps what deniz2099 means is he hates maneaters.

Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on June 20, 2007, 05:01:46 am
You've been listening to too much Nelly Furtado.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Korro on June 20, 2007, 06:19:56 pm
You know what I hate?
I hate you damn humans! :lee:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: cronopolis on June 26, 2007, 07:31:48 am
I hate that my freakin mom is procrastinating with setting up the darn internet and yet she doesn't want anyone else messing with it, so all of you won't be able to bask in my presence :lol:but no seriously, you all won't really be hearing from me for a while yet... man this sucks :x
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kebrel on June 27, 2007, 06:46:34 pm
I hate my dial-up connection.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Korro on June 28, 2007, 02:08:54 am
I hate the fact that I have nothing to do right now!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on June 28, 2007, 04:23:51 pm
I hate having a lack of, or no, motivation. It's really irritating, and has been a more frequent problem with me lately.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kyronea on June 28, 2007, 11:33:04 pm
I hate what playing Mafia---video game--almost did to me. After I finished the storyline and was playing Free Ride and what have you, I basically just turned it into "Hunt down as many civilians as you can and shotgun them in the face." I kept doing it so much that I began to glorify it, and when I realized what it was making me do I immediately deleted the game.

...

I hate that I had to delete the game, too...it was a great way to work off stress.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Korro on June 30, 2007, 04:48:45 am
You know some say that video games CAN be good for you in some ways. lets just let all the kids out of school forever and let them play grand theft auto AAAALLL day.


...AND I STILL HAVE NOTHING TO DO!!!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: CyberSarkany on June 30, 2007, 08:58:36 am
Video games are (often) very good for learning another language, esp. sayings, slangs and much more. Of course, some games aren't.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Korro on June 30, 2007, 03:05:12 pm
Well I guess so.... but thatd be kinda hard.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: MsBlack on February 19, 2008, 10:09:23 pm
I hate inconsiderate smokers (i.e. almost every single smoker).

Any smoking that forces others to smoke passively against their will can be admonished with the principle that any wrongness should cease. From there, one merely has to prove such inconsiderate smoking is wrong for the argument to prevail. Even though it seems obvious that it is wrong, it still seems prudent to elaborate on why it is wrong, for those who find it less obvious. So, I submit inconsiderate smoking is wrong because it causes rational discomfort in the short term and is detrimental to health in both the short and long term.

Some of its potential short-term detrimental effects are:

And potential long term ones:

And I'm certain there's more. To be fair, there are some beneficial effects, but that's irrelevant due to the nature of the debate. The fact that there's any detrimental effects that are forced upon passive smokers without them wanting it nullifies any of its beneficial effects (which may be reduced anyway by virtue of the smoking being passive as opposed to active).

So, having established that it is wrong and should stop, what should be done? In an ideal community, people would be free to smoke anywhere and force others to smoke passively so long as the passive smoker were not adverse to it. However, this is of course unfeasible, as it is impossible to tell if the passive smoker would object, they may be too scared to do so and humans as they are now are almost invariably not trustworthy and ethical enough.

We can diminish these flaws with the suggestion of a society where smoking is permitted at any time other than when it would make another person smoke passively. However, if this were also too impractical, a general ban on smoking in public places would almost definitely be more suitable.

So if it's as simple as banning or limiting smoking in public places, why doesn't the UK government institute such a policy? The only possible reasons I can think of off the top of my head pertain to money and to appease smokers.

Perhaps the government fears fewer cigarettes will be purchased if they ban smoking in public, resulting in less revenue for other areas. This money comes from taxes on tobacco products, but why couldn't it merely come from an increased general tax? If this would not be possible due to significant tax rises, why can't the government inform the public of the estimated rises and flaws in such a plan? Even if it wouldn't seem practical from an economic perspective to ban smoking in public, the issue should at least be acknowledged and the plan considered.

The other reason, that of the government fearing unrest should they ban smoking in public places is a poor reason not to do so. One of the responsibilities of the government is to enforce justice. The government has laws against unjustified murder, and even though it cannot stop all of them and deal with all its perpetrators, it does so when it can, as it has a responsibility to do as unjustified murder is an injustice. Similarly, the government has a responsibility to stop the wrong of forcing people to unwillingly smoke passively.

Yes it doesn't. It's issues like this that make me question the integrity of our 'democracy'. Sure, we can vote for who we have in power, but we don't get to vote on perhaps the more important things: the issues that actually affect us on a day-to-day basis. If all democracy is is an equal right to vote for a party, then it is not enough. For consistent democratic governing on such far-reaching, day-to-day, issues affecting most people that most people want changed, the public's opinion must be considered.

Many people seem to think 'democracy' gives equal power to everybody. Well apparently it doesn't. There was no vote to go to war in Iraq. No vote on the current, limited smoking 'ban', no vote on withdrawing from Iraq despite common opinion supporting such a sentiment. At the end of the day we are lumbered with choosing the lesser of evils and letting them dictate, instead of taking the reins ourselves and deciding the direction and future of the country. We are not equal. The government enforces neither public opinion nor total justice. We're a long way from true power of the people, and not as far as we think from despotism.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on February 20, 2008, 04:13:53 am
^ Pfft, why should they ban smoking in public places? My solution is allowing people to assault these smokers.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kebrel on February 20, 2008, 04:16:32 am
Its kinda like drunk driving really there is nothing wrong with it they'll kill them selfs of and then the world is much better.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on February 20, 2008, 12:08:56 pm
Its kinda like drunk driving really there is nothing wrong with it they'll kill them selfs of and then the world is much better.

Unless you or one of your family is the one the drunk driver splatters across the road.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on February 20, 2008, 01:39:09 pm
Many people seem to think 'democracy' gives equal power to everybody. Well apparently it doesn't. There was no vote to go to war in Iraq. No vote on the current, limited smoking 'ban', no vote on withdrawing from Iraq despite common opinion supporting such a sentiment. At the end of the day we are lumbered with choosing the lesser of evils and letting them dictate, instead of taking the reins ourselves and deciding the direction and future of the country. We are not equal. The government enforces neither public opinion nor total justice. We're a long way from true power of the people, and not as far as we think from despotism.

Many people also think modern governments are meant to be democratic. They aren't. At best one could call them "democratic republics."

Democracy's great benefit is in its inefficient nature. No one can abuse the power of government because there are thousands or more other people trying to abuse the power of government as well, and as such they all muddle each other.

Of course, pure democracy is too inefficient; thus, it gets mixed a bit with representative government. Presto, a government under which people can live somewhat peacefully without tyrants getting in the way.

Despotism isn't necessarily a bad thing; indeed, it is more efficient than "democracy," so if a good person were in power that goodness could better be spread to the people. Unfortunately, no single human can be trusted to be good.

Thus, "democracy" is a desirable government not because all people are so good as to have an equal share in government, but rather that all people are too base to allow any one to have an advantage.

Can you imagine the mess of a true democracy? People don't inform themselves about their voting options when it is mostly limited to candidates (and "high" voter turnout is always laughably low). I certainly wouldn't trust the general population with important issues.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: MsBlack on February 20, 2008, 02:44:04 pm
Burning  Zeppelin: As attractive a prospect as that is, I doubt it would work very well.

Kebrel: Way to miss the whole parts ennumerating the negative effects of passive smoking and why it should be stopped.

Thought: True. I will state however that having representatives make decisions (such as war with Iraq) has resulted in poor ones being made.

Well, I guess humanity only has itself to blame for this problem.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Burning Zeppelin on February 21, 2008, 03:08:48 am
True democracy/anarchism is not too bad in small groups. In fact, they work awfully well. However, quality of life increases population, which increases the need for a centralized government and law enforcement agency. We should all just slow down.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: justin3009 on February 21, 2008, 03:33:40 pm
I lol'd at the drunk driving thing.  Let them kill themselves?  Too bad people repeatedly die BY people who are drunk driving, not the actual drunk drivers.

What i've been really hating lately is when people purposely try to piss you off for no reason.  People are shooting paper clips at friend and I from across the room because they think it's funny.  Seriously some of the most fucking immature/annoying "Seniors" I have EVER seen.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kebrel on February 21, 2008, 08:45:29 pm
Just so people Know that was I joke there wasn't any thing else behind it. Sorry if I offend some of you.


Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on February 22, 2008, 11:16:55 am
what annoys me:

who people become over the guise of forums.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on February 22, 2008, 11:52:12 am
I think this link gives a mathematical equation of what you are referring to. (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on February 22, 2008, 09:27:34 pm
that was beautiful.

thank you.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on February 22, 2008, 09:31:49 pm
I hate the Metal Smasher boss in Star Fox. Bastard.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kebrel on February 23, 2008, 09:10:28 pm
Stuff I hate...?
My ChronoCross disc isn't working any more.


EDIT: Woowho, another victory to Fred Myers. I just bought a CD cleaning/scratch fixer-upper and it works.

EDIT2: Damn it all to Hell I can't find the PS1 memory card!!!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on February 25, 2008, 08:14:40 am
"Made in China"
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on February 25, 2008, 01:54:05 pm
genius.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: MsBlack on March 08, 2008, 02:25:34 pm
People who join one's Age of Empires II game who

- ask for a team game when it is advertised as 1v1
- ask to "just build a city" in an inherently agressive game that is advertsied as such
- ask for a no CD crack when you don't have it and then quit 3 minutes into the game
- ask to save a game for restoration because they didn't have the foresight or honesty to acknowledge they couldn't play through a whole game and who then disappear, leaving the game unfinished
- think the game is a scenario despite being advertised otherwise
- drop out of the game midway through with no explanation
- resign because they can't be bothered to come back from losing without tributing their resources or a final massive attack
- those who expect help because they play stupidly who then don't help in return and/or complain when one doesn't because it would leave one vulnerable on their own front
- usually those who are Spanish [speakers]

Then of course there's those who are sore losers, bad winners, complain about acceptable tactics, those with ridiculous pings and those who refuse to play one because they assume one is not a 'noob' or 'rook' and they don't like playing games they'll learn from the most just because they'll lose.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kebrel on March 09, 2008, 01:18:30 am
Stuff I hate...?
My ChronoCross disc isn't working any more.


EDIT: Woowho, another victory to Fred Myers. I just bought a CD cleaning/scratch fixer-upper and it works.

EDIT2: Damn it all to Hell I can't find the PS1 memory card!!!


Sold my PS2 yesterday for the price I wanted, after three months trying to find someone willing to buy it. Hooray!

got a memory card not long after, but now PS2 stopped working the sec he posted that.


why god, why? :(
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on March 09, 2008, 04:22:57 pm
I despise the smugness of economists. They think they know every little damn common sense thing about how the world works. Well congratulations; you really blew the lid off human greed. They make it sound like utter laissez-fare and free trade will somehow benefit everyone despite the fact that there are hostile regimes on this earth, black markets, and other serious, serious pitfalls in economic and financial systems in many countries. But because economists have this veneer of being the ultimate common sense wizards, economics has to be respected like a gospel unto its own self. It is a tool and facet of human advancement like any other system.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on March 09, 2008, 05:01:35 pm
DAMN STRAIGHT, ZeaLitY!

Part of the problem, I think, is that economic leaders are "too far from the forest to see the trees," so to speak. Fed chairmen, WTO representatives, and other econ policy crafters live in a world of formulas, and cannot feel the raw pang of hunger or the mental anguish of drowning in debt. It is a theoretical academic truth that free trade will be a net benefit in the long run perhaps, but they are utterly detached from the economic tragedies that are befalling the everywoman and everyman in the short run. And it's not just the US -- the First World will fall together until our standards of living match that of the typical Chinese worker. That's where this is going, and I fear the average Chinese worker's standard of living isn't rising as fast as ours is falling.

If I ever get where I want to in life, I'll be damn sure that I get input from randomly selected middle class families. That's the only way I can think of, other than having one's paycheck tied to the median income, that a policymaker can truly know whether the trajectory of prevailing policy is beneficial to the median citizen.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: justin3009 on March 09, 2008, 05:41:10 pm
I usually despise 10-15 year old kids.  They think they know everything and think they're so much better then everyone else.  I even had one go to me:

"I'm invincible"
"Why?"
"Because i'm 13"

I wanted to take a gun to his head and be like, feel invincible now?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: cupn00dles on March 09, 2008, 06:34:40 pm
I usually despise 10-15 year old kids.  They think they know everything and think they're so much better then everyone else.  I even had one go to me:

"I'm invincible"
"Why?"
"Because i'm 13"

I wanted to take a gun to his head and be like, feel invincible now?

It's the springtime of youth, baby.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: nightmare975 on March 09, 2008, 07:33:43 pm
I hate Morgan Lujan, he's some fat sack of shit at my school. He macks with all the women. He's failing most of his classes. He wont drop out because he wants to be with my best friend, who he has abused before.

I want to kill that son of a bitch.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: V_Translanka on March 09, 2008, 08:02:26 pm
DST...I totally forgot about it until right now at 4PM (which I had thought was 3PM)...I just lost a whole freakin HOUR!!! V_V Human concepts of time are ridiculous...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: BROJ on March 09, 2008, 09:10:53 pm
V_V Human concepts of time are ridiculous...
You can go ahead and blame William Willett (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Willett) for that...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: kritterpher on March 11, 2008, 09:42:48 pm
I hate brothers
      kebrel
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on March 18, 2008, 12:18:36 pm
Literal brothers or the slang form of "brothers"?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: justin3009 on March 18, 2008, 03:11:24 pm
I hate some people at our school.  Completely out of nowhere they started picking on my friend (I have no idea why...there's no reasoning at all for it) and he pretty much almost braught a gun to school because they did it for 2 weeks.  The school is retarded when it comes to helping out students, they'd rather have them suffer then help.  Thank god a friend of his talked him out of it.  I'm always so worried for him =/
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on March 18, 2008, 03:19:16 pm
yeah, your friend might need some psychiatric help to ensure he doesn't go on a rampage down the road.

but i agree - the american school system doesn't usually apply to individual needs, causing the single entity to pretty much end up screwed.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: justin3009 on March 18, 2008, 03:22:47 pm
Ya.  He does have alot of physical problems.  For example right now:

Ingrown Toenail
Bell's Palsy
Back Pain
Cut up arm

I'm not sure entirely how he is on a psychiatric level.  He's pretty stable from what i've seen and from what he's told me.  (Pretty much tells me everything).  Coulda just been a bad day.  Either way, I watch over him like a hawk to make sure he doens't do something he'll regret later on down the road.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Silver on March 18, 2008, 03:28:40 pm
I hate when I get so distracted I forget to post to the various forums I'm on.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on March 18, 2008, 04:20:36 pm
Homework (and I don’t even have it any more), largely because it has no benefit and a lot of cost associated.

When I was still attending public school (I’ve moved on now) I recall that it seemed like I was assigned large amounts of homework (of course, I got around a lot of it by just not doing it), but even at that it seems like there is constantly a call for children to be assigned more and more. In particular, I recall math homework, as it was always time consuming. I remember asking “why” I was assigned homework, but that was always somewhat of a rhetorical question; my teachers assumed it should be assigned; my parents assumed that I should do it, and I assumed that it was just a fact of life.

But I never honestly asked that question, and it was never honestly answered. What if homework, especially as it is usually assigned, doesn’t provide any benefit (or an insignificant benefit) to the students who have to undertake it?

I’ve been reading Alfie Kohn’s “The Homework Myth” in which he deconstructs the arguments and research that support assigning homework. Mind you, this is a somewhat methodological approach; he analyzes the “evidence” and simply shows that it doesn’t prove anything. Perhaps most stunning is Harris Cooper; his research found that “There is no evidence that any amount of homework improves the academic performance of elementary students." Yet Cooper then proceeded to recommend the infamous equation of ten minutes of homework per grade level per night.

Even in High School the benefit of homework is dubious; Cooper’s equation would require about a 28% increase of effort for a 4% increase in grades (and Kohn also addresses the false assumption that grades are an accurate measuring tool for learning).

This should then be weighed against the costs of all this homework: a childhood. All my current interests, hobbies, and passions were developed when I didn’t have homework (though a few of them have had to survive later being incorporated into homework, which is renowned for killing passion). It is only as an “adult” that I’ve had the time to learn to play the piano (well, still learning), learn Greek (still learning), write for fun, and study great thinkers (and hopefully do a little thinking of my own). I ardently wish these interests could have developed when I was younger and learning was easier (language in particular).

I’d highly recommend reading “The Homework Myth” and “The Case Against Homework,” whether you still have homework or not. And always ask what the purpose of any given assignment is. To what purpose is a teacher assigning math problems? What purpose does creating a model of an atom actually serve? Etc.

If I might quote ol' Treebeard: "There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of Men bad enough for such treachery" as homework.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on March 18, 2008, 11:13:15 pm
Agreed. Homework always struck me as futile busy work of no benefit to anyone. Like you, I found that I was able to reduce a great deal of my load by ignoring it. Hopefully schools will start working to honestly serve the needs of students, although I'm not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on March 19, 2008, 01:08:46 am
The world.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on March 19, 2008, 10:14:19 am
Any idea as to what should replace homework, Thought?  Piling more and more on kids is not the way to go, but it should still exist in some form.  The gripe I always had with homework was that it felt completely disconnected from the 'real world'.  Like you said, no one ever really explained 'why'.  There needs to be a lot more practical, hands on approaches, rather than "Do selected exercises from the end of the chapter and we will regurgitate tomorrow."  They really need to incorporate 'real life' aspects of math, science, history etc to really 'complete the circle' of learning.  But that is my opinion.  The case method is a step in that direction, though that is basically for Business students and not all schools offer it.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: justin3009 on March 19, 2008, 12:04:43 pm
Agreed Zeality.  The world is a twisted place...~_~
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on March 19, 2008, 12:20:52 pm
Piling more and more on kids is not the way to go, but it should still exist in some form.

Why?

I'm not saying that homework shouldn't exist in some form, just that if it is to be assigned there should be a reason. I am an advocate that the assumed position should be that no homework is assigned (and thus, when it is assigned there must be a good reason).

I do agree, subjects should be better related to real life (one of my constant struggles, as I hope to eventually teach History, is how to relate it in a meaningful way), but that has more to do with in-class instruction than homework (a valid topic in itself, however).

As for what should replace homework, nothing. However, as stated sometimes homework might be assigned, but only when the assignments merit it and are likely to produce desirable results. I don't think we can get away from occasionally assigning reading homework, but this would need to be less and teachers would need to take greater care in WHAT is assigned. For English, fewer classics and a wider variety of genres (it is a crime that Literary Fiction is the only genre most English classes cover; expose students to the best each genre has to offer!) I'm glad I read Huck Finn, but it served no purpose to my education while Ender's Game continues to shape my thinking. In History, textbooks need to be abolished (certainly the present incarnations, though I expect reference works would be more useful). Instead, perhaps the teacher should focus on one or two original sources a semester. It is curious that in English, students learn to write, in Math student learn how to solve problems, but in History one has to get to the graduate level to really start learning how to "do history."

Beyond mere reading (again, even that should be limited drastically), larger projects might be good. Perhaps science projects where students collect field data from where they live (finding and identifying the properties of a few plants where they live, or animals, etc). Or a history project in which the student must actually perform historical research (interview living sources about events, such as a grandparent about WWII or what have you). For geometry or the like, perhaps real world measurements (but then again, that could still be performed in class). For most classes, however, I can't think of legitimate forms of homework (which is presumably just because I don't understand those subjects enough to envision such a project).
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Silver on March 19, 2008, 02:08:11 pm
Zeality:  Having a bad day, Fearless Leader?

Thought:  Honestly, I'm agreeing with you with the homework thing.  Personally, though, my thought is that the entire school system is horribly, horribly broken here in Washington state.  They don't teach for kids to learn anything anymore.  They teach to the WASL, the state's beloved standardized test.  And why?  Because passing the WASL is a graduation requirement, and half the students that take it won't pass.  I hated that fact as a whole, but I particularly resented how it nerfed the high school's english and literature courses.   Matt's statement in this MacHall sums up my views on the whole matter better than I ever could. (http://machall.com/view.php?date=2002-02-21)  The people teaching schools these days aren't teachers, they're frauds.  The state school committee is a fraud, and it needs to be changed.

Okay, we've established that I hate High School.  Know what else I hate?  The fact that my finacial aid is based on my GPA.  I need a 2.0; I've never gotten over 1.8 thus far.  Hope this quarter is different...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on March 19, 2008, 02:34:47 pm
Ah, good ol MacHall. But to be fair, the Printing Press as an Agent of Change (http://www.amazon.com/Printing-Press-Agent-Change-Volumes/dp/0521299551/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1205947104&sr=8-1) is a very interesting topic and certainly relates to the study of any period in which the medium of communication changes.

In short, Eisenstein's work can be easily extrapolated to the social changes that computers and the internet has (and still is) bringing about.

Yeah, Ian McConville & Matt Boyd didn't make that stuff up. But to also be fair, that sort of thing isn't important to most people (and indeed, I studied it in my graduate work; undergrads in non-history majors really have no use for it... except maybe English or sociology, but even then, not as undergrads).

I do agree that there are problems with the entire education system (for one, I generally see no use for any administration oversight above Principles, and it is a crime that teachers get paid so little in comparison to how important their role in any country is), but... well homework is just my gripe for now ;)

Standardized tests really are a horrible way to measure someone's knowledge and understanding about a subject.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on March 19, 2008, 02:48:25 pm
The world impinges upon my noble dream and ideals.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: BROJ on March 19, 2008, 04:20:15 pm
The world impinges upon my noble dream and ideals.
It is the goal of most societies, in the purest sense, to hammer the nail(s) that stick(s) out...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on March 19, 2008, 04:44:07 pm
Except college society, where the goal is just to get hammered. ;)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on March 19, 2008, 09:38:14 pm
Except college society, where the goal is just to get hammered. ;)

and at the same time, nail someone  8)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kebrel on March 19, 2008, 09:50:05 pm
Funny how screw works just as well?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: nightmare975 on March 19, 2008, 10:45:36 pm
I hate how now they just take a script, slap a name of an old Ian Flemming novel/short story and call it James Bond.

They have plenty to work with.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on March 20, 2008, 12:01:35 am
The world impinges upon my noble dream and ideals.
It is the goal of most societies, in the purest sense, to hammer the nail(s) that stick(s) out...

For the strong to achieve their noble dreams, they must withstand the hammers of the soceity in which they live. That they can and do does not make the process any less frustrating.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: justin3009 on March 20, 2008, 12:06:50 am
I hate Easter.  I'm not much of a traveller but we're going to a cousin's house that's a 6 hour drive away just to spend 1 night there and come back sunday morning...I normally wouldn't mind but it's completely different now.

My cousins that we're going to won't look or even talk to me, the only reasoning "Your nothing like your brother..."  Apparently I have to act like my brother to get my cousins to notice that I exist?  I'd rather die.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: MagilsugaM on March 20, 2008, 07:22:35 am
I hate Australia life...
So boringggggggggggggg.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: MagilsugaM on March 28, 2008, 08:51:32 am
I hate all!!!!!!!!
But no the computer and videogames.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on March 28, 2008, 10:14:50 am
Why do you hate exclamation marks?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: MagilsugaM on March 28, 2008, 10:17:47 am
Don't Know
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: BROJ on March 28, 2008, 10:35:02 am
Mornings...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: MagilsugaM on March 28, 2008, 10:50:38 am
Mornings...
Hell yes.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on April 04, 2008, 03:20:38 pm
Bayes' Theorum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayes_theorum)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on April 04, 2008, 03:39:21 pm
The Brand New Day: Spider Man storyline...

It's pretty much the ultimate retcon...  But it's getting A LITTLE better...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kebrel on April 04, 2008, 06:54:47 pm
Bayes' Theorum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayes_theorum)
Hmm, seems redundant. Isn't it just working backwards, from the answer to the question?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on April 04, 2008, 08:08:23 pm
Bayes' Theorum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayes_theorum)

I'll go a bit broader and say "probability".  Damn, I hated that stats class.  Or the professor.  Not sure which.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Anacalius on April 05, 2008, 12:49:46 am
I hate Easter.  I'm not much of a traveller but we're going to a cousin's house that's a 6 hour drive away just to spend 1 night there and come back sunday morning...I normally wouldn't mind but it's completely different now.

My cousins that we're going to won't look or even talk to me, the only reasoning "Your nothing like your brother..."  Apparently I have to act like my brother to get my cousins to notice that I exist?  I'd rather die.

I totally agree with you here. I hate holidays in general, seems like everyone expects magic to happen or something and no one is noticing that it's really just a waste of time, money, not to mention the fact that it's SO fake. As for your cousin dilemma, I hear ya, and props for saying "I'd rather die" than give in to that BS.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on April 05, 2008, 02:53:43 am
Holidays are great in the sense of kicking back and relaxing.  I assume the both of you are still living with your 'rents, so it isn't as good as it should be...but it is nice once you are working and on your own.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Anacalius on April 05, 2008, 04:20:52 am
I assume the both of you are still living with your 'rents, so it isn't as good as it should be...but it is nice once you are working and on your own.

Why would you assume this? I don't, but I still get the obligation to visit family on stupid holidays.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on April 06, 2008, 01:27:49 pm
I assume the both of you are still living with your 'rents, so it isn't as good as it should be...but it is nice once you are working and on your own.

Why would you assume this? I don't, but I still get the obligation to visit family on stupid holidays.

I assume because I don't go to visit family on holidays.  Sorry for assuming!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Anacalius on April 07, 2008, 01:56:50 am
Meh, I don't think there was a need for an apology. I get tons of crap for not taking part in holidays from my family, and we have a really small family, so I think it's important anyway to do it (That and we all live in the same state). I have no uncles, cousins, grandparents, etc., my immediate family is my only family, and they're only going to be around for so long, so yeah. Anyways, I'm way off topic...

Something I hate.... Let's see....
How about when women dress in slutty clothes than get offended when you stare at their ass? That REALLY pisses me off!Seriously, WTF do you expect me to do?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kebrel on April 07, 2008, 02:26:31 am
Not to stare at their ass. I don't find breast or rear to be really attractive. I am more of a hair and eye person.


Something I hate, jalapeño juice in the eye.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: V_Translanka on April 07, 2008, 04:23:04 am
And yet you end up having sex with neither hair nor eyes...unless you're doing something different than me...and more like I've seen in one or two REALLY DISTURBING hentai...>_>
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Anacalius on April 07, 2008, 04:45:03 am
And yet you end up having sex with neither hair nor eyes...unless you're doing something different than me...and more like I've seen in one or two REALLY DISTURBING hentai...>_>

Ha!

Not to stare at their ass. I don't find breast or rear to be really attractive. I am more of a hair and eye person.


Gimme a break, seriously...
If they don't want me staring at their ass, maybe they shouldn't have it hanging out, or have nice, bright colored thongs sticking out. That's false advertising. Keep your tits in your shirt and your ass in your pants if you don't want me looking at them.

As for your hair and eye comment, I somewhat agree. I personally have a fetish with bellybuttons, I have no clue why. A chick with a nice bellybutton is SO attractive to me. But I still like bewbees. ^^;
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on April 07, 2008, 08:19:05 am
ot: Nice boobs are key to a happy life...and my sexy wife has em.

Not having a car. 
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on April 07, 2008, 10:27:23 am
I'll go a bit broader and say "probability".  Damn, I hated that stats class.  Or the professor.  Not sure which.

Actually, in this particular case it was because Bayes Theorum was the center of some very bad teaching (and mind you, I wasn't even in the class; Statistics and History seldom meet). The "Doctor" (because here, no one is a "Professor", which is another thing I hate. Since when was "Professor" a bad word?) was presenting Bayes Theorum as essentially having metaphysical significance.

This came as the result of the Doctor misunderstanding the Monty Hall Problem and thus he presented Bayes Theorum, which can help explain the MH Problem, as a direct contradiction to the Gambler's Fallacy. He was claiming, more or less, that a person's knowledge obtained midway through the experiment could effect the starting conditions of the experiment. The "present modifying the past," as it were.

But statistics in general has a lot of problems. It touches reality too seldom and all too often borders on the metaphysical. It is like the result of math going through puberty or something.

Something I hate.... Let's see....
How about when women dress in slutty clothes than get offended when you stare at their ass? That REALLY pisses me off!Seriously, WTF do you expect me to do?

Have higher standards?

Though I suppose that really depends on what you're calling "slutty." There is a line between dressing sensually and dressing sluttily (sluttually... sluttastically... whatever). "Women" who dress slutty aught invoke a desire to spray lysol on everything they touch (and yes, everything (http://www.shortpacked.com/d/20060629.html), if you disregard better judgement).

Me? I like women for their mind (and no, I'm not into trepanning, that is just squick).
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on April 07, 2008, 11:10:25 am
placidchap...

come july 19th i shall finally be joining the marriage band wagon.  let the fun times begin.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on April 07, 2008, 12:28:55 pm
I'll go a bit broader and say "probability".  Damn, I hated that stats class.  Or the professor.  Not sure which.

Actually, in this particular case it was because Bayes Theorum was the center of some very bad teaching (and mind you, I wasn't even in the class; Statistics and History seldom meet). The "Doctor" (because here, no one is a "Professor", which is another thing I hate. Since when was "Professor" a bad word?) was presenting Bayes Theorum as essentially having metaphysical significance.

This came as the result of the Doctor misunderstanding the Monty Hall Problem and thus he presented Bayes Theorum, which can help explain the MH Problem, as a direct contradiction to the Gambler's Fallacy. He was claiming, more or less, that a person's knowledge obtained midway through the experiment could effect the starting conditions of the experiment. The "present modifying the past," as it were.

But statistics in general has a lot of problems. It touches reality too seldom and all too often borders on the metaphysical. It is like the result of math going through puberty or something.


Me? I like women for their mind (and no, I'm not into trepanning, that is just squick).


At the end of the day, when it comes to academia, Doctor and Professor are one in the same.  I presume they think "doctor" is more prestigous.  I personally dislike those who insist on being called Doctor (less they are not in academic setting), comes off as a case of superiority complex.
Economics is another subject that touches reality seldomly.  The entire subject is based on theory upon theory.  Probably why i dispise it.

I am sure you like women for their attributes too, in addition to their mind.  To deny that is to deny the human nature. 

placidchap...

come july 19th i shall finally be joining the marriage band wagon.  let the fun times begin.

Nice one Boo.  Are you two living together yet or are you waiting until after the marriage?  I'll say that was the toughest part, out of it all.  We got married on the 17th of July '04.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on April 07, 2008, 12:51:28 pm
I am sure you like women for their attributes too, in addition to their mind.  To deny that is to deny the human nature. 

Quite true. Though "appreciate" might be the better word. One can appreciate a fine piece of art in much the same way one can appreciate a fine piece of ass. Being male in the world is like walking through a very prestigeous museum; there are works of art all around us.

And of course, it should be noted that there is a difference between the appeal of beauty in women and the appeal of their attractiveness (I'd say one can find a women beautiful but not attractive).
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: MagilsugaM on April 08, 2008, 03:21:18 am
That PS3 still too expensive... :cry:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Chrono Master on April 09, 2008, 06:12:11 pm
I am sure you like women for their attributes too, in addition to their mind.  To deny that is to deny the human nature. 

Quite true. Though "appreciate" might be the better word. One can appreciate a fine piece of art in much the same way one can appreciate a fine piece of ass. Being male in the world is like walking through a very prestigeous museum; there are works of art all around us.

And of course, it should be noted that there is a difference between the appeal of beauty in women and the appeal of their attractiveness (I'd say one can find a women beautiful but not attractive).
I don't mind The figure of a women but again the eyes are always somthing to stare at  plus you will get more respect for commenting a girl on her eyes than her butt. plus I'm the type to tend not to let my thoughts dwell in the gutter. Every time they do I beat myself up mentally and will slap the back of my head really hard with the excuse that it felt like there was somthing there.
but I do have a thing for  asian women, pony-tails accompanied by a cute face, sencerity, and eyes that are blue or show kindness.

What I hate are:
 overly perverted people who don't know when they hit the you do not talk about THAT part of what they do.
 People who think I'm a noob at video games. I been playing as long as I can remember and that's somewhere around 3 yrs.
People who harass others and gang up on them for no reason.
vegies greens are evil.
 People who say they hate somthing before they even try it.
Myself for being an idiot and not thinking before I speak and: create new words, awkard silences, say somthing that can be twisted to somthing perverted when people I know know that I don't think like that, sound semi-psycotic.
for saying OW! when somthing dosen't hurt me but hits me with gusto.
The president of the USA and all the currupt committie members.
Sasuke the Prince of Emo-dome. and because his name translates to Ninja-Fan
People who look down on battle fans. Battle fans rock!! XD
and My little brother for always pestering me.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: BROJ on April 09, 2008, 06:34:03 pm
Quote from: Chrono Master
Sasuke the Prince of Emo-dome. and because his name translates to Ninja-Fan
Still not as bad as Shia LaBeouf; which roughly translates into "Thank God for the beef"...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Chrono Master on April 09, 2008, 08:09:37 pm
Still not as bad as Shia LaBeouf; which roughly translates into "Thank God for the beef"...
Lol That is bad you win for finding the most rediculous name trnslation.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: MsBlack on April 10, 2008, 01:55:19 am
Sasuke's just a moniker for ninja in general (from the stories of Sarutobi Sasuke); it doesn't actually mean "ninja" ("nin" does if I recall correctly) as such. Also, it seems you misunderstood the intention of "fan"; it means a fan as in the tool in reference to fanning flames (the Uchiha [Uchiwa is Japanese for fan] clan traditionally use fire techniques).
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: VincentGAU8 on April 10, 2008, 04:46:31 am
Stuff i hate.. hmm.. People who think and say that RTS games are dumb and s**t (sorry)..
they don't know what they're talking about, damn them (sorry again, i can't help it)..
RTS games are under appreciated if you ask me... :x

and Chrono Cross haters who do not think to stand back and appreciate the game for what it is..
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on April 13, 2008, 11:57:55 pm
I really hat ehow whenever you go into a coffe shop, they always have their own way of calling your order into the back.

Me: "Hey, can I have a Mocha Frappucionno?"

Cashier: "Sure" * turns to face behind counter* "BLEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHH!!!!!"*turns back around* "Anything Else?"
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
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Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kebrel on April 15, 2008, 09:38:49 pm
well it depends what was it?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Anacalius on April 15, 2008, 10:19:20 pm
well it depends what was it?

This:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a24/Draconyx/Posting%20Graphics/odd_ava.gif
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kebrel on April 15, 2008, 10:45:22 pm
That sucks, I've seen stuff like this  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRqMKPpln28)and its way worse the that little pic.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Anacalius on April 16, 2008, 12:19:31 am
Exactly.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: V_Translanka on April 16, 2008, 05:52:50 am
Wow, how lame...how did they find it? Do you have a bunch of losers subscribed to your blog or something? I have pr0n links on my actual MySpace...! >_>
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on April 16, 2008, 11:26:25 am
I had that sort of thing happen to me once. It was because I quoted the lyrics from the Theme From Shaft:

"Who's the black private dick
That's a sex machine to all the chicks?
SHAFT!"

Obviously that song will taint the souls of anyone who hears it. Or something like that.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Anacalius on April 17, 2008, 04:48:44 am
They don't take anything down unless someone clicks on "Report Image" under your pic. Obviously, to trace who did that is impossible, but man would I like to know..
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on April 17, 2008, 01:28:36 pm
Religion.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Anacalius on April 17, 2008, 03:01:12 pm
Religion.

....
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on April 17, 2008, 03:25:48 pm
Ellipses

...

No, wait a minute, I find them delightful and I use them excessively.

Um... I hate how people don't know the difference between an en dash and an em dash; subsequently, people misuse them rather often.

EDIT: Woot, I am no longer a friggen' island. Time to start mystically exploring or something.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on April 17, 2008, 05:37:14 pm
I hate old men who want to put me in a sundress and call me "Buttercup".
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Anacalius on April 17, 2008, 05:38:35 pm
I hate old men who want to put me in a sundress and call me "Buttercup".

I hate the fact that I just read that. (x.x)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on April 17, 2008, 05:51:05 pm
I hate that Square Enix pretty much ditched their best series from the early 90's and forced Masato Kato to work on FF remakes. T_T
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Anacalius on April 17, 2008, 10:35:31 pm
FF is their "best" series, yo.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on April 18, 2008, 02:57:19 am
I hate old men who want to put me in a sundress and call me "Buttercup".

Is this a problem you commonly encounter?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kebrel on April 18, 2008, 03:14:04 am
Always, minor nuances thats all.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on April 19, 2008, 03:50:00 pm
I hate old men who want to put me in a sundress and call me "Buttercup".

Is this a problem you commonly encounter?


I can't help that i'm sexy. It's a curse.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Glennleo on April 19, 2008, 05:08:46 pm
I can't help but think that's a Princess Bride reference.

I hate old men who want to put me in a sundress and call me "Buttercup".

I'm hoping it is! :)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on April 19, 2008, 05:28:12 pm
It isn't but that movie friggin' rocked.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on April 20, 2008, 01:47:13 am
(http://chronofan.com/Zeality/Guts2.png)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on April 20, 2008, 10:31:18 am
(http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/8095/image1nb9.jpg)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Korro on April 21, 2008, 09:15:54 pm
You know what I hate? I hate elitists in super smash bros.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Glennleo on April 21, 2008, 11:13:53 pm
You know what I hate? I hate elitists in super smash bros.

Amen brother. Amen.

Got a FC you'd like to share?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on April 21, 2008, 11:50:14 pm
Quote
You know what I hate? I hate elitists.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Korro on April 22, 2008, 08:47:00 pm
I don't hate ALL types of elitists... at least not as of now.

BTW: Sure, FC would be cool. PM me.

Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: V_Translanka on April 22, 2008, 09:25:48 pm
I'm sorry, but ever since I saw that image, I had to change it to this (even though I know it might end up making tons of people changing it or w/e)...

(http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2827/djadamwestyt4.jpg)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: nightmare975 on April 22, 2008, 09:34:03 pm
Look what you've done V!

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Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on April 22, 2008, 10:24:42 pm
I hate people who say that they've played LoZ, and then they go and call the main character (Link) Zelda.

PISSES ME OFF.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: neo-fusion on April 22, 2008, 10:38:39 pm
LOL People actually DO THAT!!!

I hate when people bullshit how good they are at an RPG when it doesn't really matter... because anyone can copy your tactics and become just as good....
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on April 22, 2008, 10:46:15 pm
Haha, yeah.


I hate when you go to the movies with your girlfriend (or boyfriend, equal opportunities) and every 5 seconds they nudge you and go "Ooh! Watch this part!" because they saw the movie before with they're friends and they want to see it again to get some "quality time"

Seriously, I'm sitting in front of a giant screen. What else would I be doing besides watching it? Cat's Cradle?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on April 22, 2008, 10:52:55 pm
I seriously think we need to start a "provide a caption for this random Batman pic" thread. I congratulate V and Nightmare on their pure genius.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: neo-fusion on April 22, 2008, 11:04:03 pm
Haha, yeah.


I hate when you go to the movies with your girlfriend (or boyfriend, equal opportunities) and every 5 seconds they nudge you and go "Ooh! Watch this part!" because they saw the movie before with they're friends and they want to see it again to get some "quality time"

Seriously, I'm sitting in front of a giant screen. What else would I be doing besides watching it? Cat's Cradle?


The hole in the bottom of the popcorn bucket? LOL

Something that pisses me off. People that talk shit and never do anything.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on April 22, 2008, 11:12:54 pm
Yeah, fucking pussies.


Something that pisses me off: When you try SO fucking hard to get a bag of chips open, and then they fall all over the floor.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: nightmare975 on April 23, 2008, 12:16:21 am
I hate it when people start writing something, like on fanfiction.net, and don
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on April 23, 2008, 12:19:54 am
't post a lolcats pic to make our reading effort worth the while.
(http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/kitten_in_a_box_worded-igloo.jpg)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on April 23, 2008, 02:41:19 pm
people
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on April 23, 2008, 02:56:24 pm
a slowing metabolism... thus making me eat smaller, healthier portions to avoid getting fat.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on April 23, 2008, 03:31:59 pm
Yeah, stupid healthy portions. There is no such thing as a healthy portion for slurpees, dagnabit!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on April 23, 2008, 04:45:04 pm
And right now the fiance and I are going through pre-marriage counseling (not because there are problems, because we want to have a successful marriage that defies the lackluster statistics of American marriage survival rates), and there's an Outback Steakhouse near the building where we do the counseling, and I always want to go there and get a juicy steak, baked potato, and bloomin' onion, but SHE always refuses.

"We don't need a bloomin' onion!  We have to look good in our wedding dress/tuxedo!"
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on April 23, 2008, 05:03:47 pm
And that is when you swoop in for the kill (and by kill I mean loving comment). Something along the lines of "You will look good in your wedding dress; there aren't enough bloomin' onions in the world that can change that."

An "aww, your sweet" should follow and you're on your way to tastiness.

Side Note: To my understanding, premarital counseling is fairly common, particularly if the officiator of the wedding is a priest or the location of the wedding is religious in nature. My wife and I actually tried premarital counseling twice; both times the counselors were unable to finish. I suppose it is slightly comforting that we had more committement than the people who were going to talk to us about committement.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on April 23, 2008, 06:48:22 pm
*makes mental note to turn to Thought for relationship advice if I ever need it*
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on April 23, 2008, 07:05:28 pm
I've already tried to butter my way into the Outback.  Sadly, she has an uncanny ability to see through my rouses, rendering any attempts at manipulating her mute.  Besides, she's more worried about ME than she is herself, hahaha...

Not that I'm big (I'm a skinny guy of 5'11''), but I have put on a few pounds the past year or so.

:shock:

More cushion for the pushin', right guys?  Am I right?  Right!  YEAH BOY!  Uh... guys...  Right...?  Am I...  Where'd you guys go...?  More push...ing...  Get it?  Um...  Hello?

Darn.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Glennleo on April 23, 2008, 08:47:57 pm
You guys make me laugh.  :lol:

But wait! This is a hate thread.

 I hate how all my work this semester is for history class. Stupid papers.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on April 23, 2008, 09:54:06 pm
I hate haters.


SUCK ON THAT ONE.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: neo-fusion on April 23, 2008, 10:03:39 pm
I hate when people say suck on this and you can't, it's kind of like they are illiterate or something....

LOL JK

Anyway, I hate that it's hard to be sarcastic on the internet you always have to follow up with a JK like I did.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on April 23, 2008, 10:06:01 pm
LOL INORITE?

I hate myspace surveys that insist on asking you the same question over 5 times, just with different words.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on April 23, 2008, 10:49:46 pm
I hate how all my work this semester is for history class. Stupid papers.

I hate how it is almost assured that while you learn how to write in an English class, learn how to exercise in a PE class, learn how to work mathematical equations in a math class, and learn how to perform experiements in a science class, you never, NEVER learn how to actually write a history in a history class.

Learning historical facts is all well and good, but come on, teach people how to "do" history!

And Boo, yours is a difficult case. This requires ninja-proto-husband skills. Lay off mentioning it for a few visits then BANG, hit her with a vase (and by vase I mean some romatic reservations. But soften her up earlier in the day with flowers at work, a call or two during the middle of your work day, a love note put into her tampon case lunch sack, etc). It is to celebrate... something. Whatever number of months until the wedding, that she stubbed her toe, or your love for each other or some such.

Note... I could be full of crap. I've never tried to get my wife to do something she really didn't want to.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on April 23, 2008, 11:03:12 pm
Crazy adults and your "Fiances" and "Wives"

.... being 14 sucks. o_o;
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on April 24, 2008, 10:23:05 am
Pish posh, 14 is a fine age. Don't succumb to adultism!

Sure, we old foggies might have a bit more money, get a bit more respect, and have fancy fiancees and wives, but we also work 9 hours a day in soul-crushing jobs (plus commute, which can easily add 8 hours a day depending on the area, though usually significantly less). We have money from said soul-crushing jobs, but most that goes to bills, taxes, and various forms of savigns/investments.

When you're young, your mind is more flexible, your body is in its prime, and you have a smattering of freetime (depending on if you school is craptacular or not). Glorious, glorious, free time. Time to think, to ponder, to hang out with friends, to enjoy life.

... not that old age should depress you either. I'll just shut up now.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on April 24, 2008, 11:30:38 am
I can't complain about being old or married.  At least, not to the extent of Thought's ramblings.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on April 24, 2008, 11:39:27 am
But complaining is the best part about being old! ;)

Being older is great, but being 14 is great too. The best age to be is the age that you are (crap, I sound like an after school special, but it's true).
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on April 24, 2008, 12:55:35 pm
No way - I would go back to being like 7 or 8.  THAT was the prime.  Sweet toys, no responsibility, and an overactive imagination that could be released through play.  Those were the days..
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on April 24, 2008, 09:55:56 pm
But complaining is the best part about being old! ;)

Being older is great, but being 14 is great too. The best age to be is the age that you are (crap, I sound like an after school special, but it's true).


Haha, I guess you're right.

But if I had the choice, I'd love to be Eighteen. Free to do what I want with a driver's license, and get a steady cash flow of money from a part time job while I would still be living at home so I wouldn't hve to pay any bills.

But that's just what my brother told me, and he's about 23 now.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kebrel on April 24, 2008, 10:24:56 pm
I have yet to see the greatness of 18, I have been such for 4 months. Nothing I haven't done before.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on April 24, 2008, 10:43:56 pm
At 18 you can buy the cigs!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on April 24, 2008, 10:45:16 pm
At 18 you can buy the cigs!


YES! Instead of being forced to give the money to your brother beforehand, only to end up with shitty Camels.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kebrel on April 24, 2008, 11:31:17 pm
I have yet to see the greatness of 18.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on April 24, 2008, 11:43:02 pm
It's all about the big 2-1 (in the US).
(http://cache.bordom.net/images/444469a42442f95293be68fb0c375a4b.jpg)

That's the age at which you can legally mix Heineken with Star Wars, or Chrono. Good times are to be had, but don't drink and operate any time-traveling machinery.

...Chrono Beer?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on April 25, 2008, 12:02:18 am
It's all about the big 2-1 (in the US).

That's the age at which you can legally mix Heineken with Star Wars, or Chrono. Good times are to be had, but don't drink and operate any time-traveling machinery.

...Chrono Beer?

Funny thing about that... 1 month before I turned 21...I moved to Canada, where the legal age to drink is 19.  Go figure.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on April 25, 2008, 12:20:00 am
'Tis no bad thing to move to the land of Molson.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on April 25, 2008, 10:27:50 am
But if I had the choice, I'd love to be Eighteen. Free to do what I want with a driver's license, and get a steady cash flow of money from a part time job while I would still be living at home so I wouldn't hve to pay any bills.

Don't believe it! Getting a part time job sucked (for me at least). Why? Because in order to pay for car insurance I needed a part time job. But because I had a part time job, I barely ever had time to go anywhere other than work. So I had a job to pay for a car that I only drove to my job.

The beauty of whatever age you are is what you make of it. Cigars/Cigarettes, boozahol, etc, is all well and good (or not, if such aren't your cup o' Dr. Pepper... what, I don't drink tea). But the best part of being 14 was what I did when I was 14 (not specifically what I was allowed to do). Best part of 18 was what I did at 18 (again, not that I could suddenly drive, buy cigarette, or whatever mirage of age was promised).
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on April 25, 2008, 12:04:45 pm
'Tis no bad thing to move to the land of Molson.

Never said it was a bad thing!  I don't regret it at all.  I haven't set foot in the US since, come to think of it (mainly due to not having a car anymore, go public transit!...)

Did the age bump up to 18, for driving?  Or are we talking about the drive after 9, no restrictions license you get at 18 (or earlier, if you take drivers ed). 
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Anacalius on April 25, 2008, 03:58:36 pm
I turned 21 a while back, and no, it is NOT as good as it seems. I am finally 21 and legally able to do everything I've been doing since I was 14. The downfall is the fact that being an adult sucks. Work to pay for your car, house, etc. so that you can keep going to work to pay for your car, house, etc. so that you can keep going to work and so on. Embrace your teenage years and make sure you have as many parties as possible, because when you try to party when you're an adult, it costs you a shit ton of money and then you have to go to work the next morning feeling like a pile of shit.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on April 25, 2008, 08:28:28 pm
Phew...  Or you may start to grow out of the party scene as I did.  Sure, you enjoy alcohol and enjoy social interaction, but as a whole you may move onto a different level.

Then again, you may not.  Not saying that that's a bad thing.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Anacalius on April 26, 2008, 03:45:20 pm
Phew...  Or you may start to grow out of the party scene as I did.  Sure, you enjoy alcohol and enjoy social interaction, but as a whole you may move onto a different level.

Then again, you may not.  Not saying that that's a bad thing.

Unless you're rich and spoiled beyond oblivion like Paris Hilton, than someday you WILL grow out of the party scene. I have as well. Allow me to rephrase:

Enjoy your teenage years while you can, and make sure they are FULL of as much personal enjoyment as you can stuff into it, because it becomes a lot harder and downright expensive when you are an adult.


On that note, however, I don't exactly mean that being an adult sucks entirely. Every point of life is beautiful for different reasons, and my entire point here is to embrace every second of your life, because many people are either looking forward to adulthood or looking back at childhood instead of looking directly in front of them and realising that life is good. Don't miss out on life by preparing too much for what "Might be" or thinking too much about "What could've been?". =P
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on April 26, 2008, 04:03:34 pm
You missed this, homeslice.

Quote
Not saying that that's a bad thing.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on April 26, 2008, 04:15:55 pm
Ah yes, Zen and the Art of Becoming a Crotchety Old Man
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Anacalius on April 26, 2008, 04:54:54 pm
You missed this, homeslice.

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Not saying that that's a bad thing.

No, I didn't miss that, just felt the need to rephrase when I had more to say. I wasn't talking to you directly, just speaking.

Anyways, this is a hate thread, so....
I hate cats, ALL of them. =P
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kebrel on April 26, 2008, 05:17:54 pm
Anyways, this is a hate thread, so....
I hate cats, ALL of them. =P

(http://remainsofthedesi.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/lol-cats-2-final.jpg)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on April 26, 2008, 05:30:11 pm
I hate the fact that a thread will grow astronomically whenever I log off of the forum.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kebrel on April 26, 2008, 09:25:08 pm
I don't know why but I just feel lonely. *sigh* its sucks :(
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on April 26, 2008, 09:27:27 pm
I'm playing through Final Fantasy VI right now and I hate the translation...  I think I'm gonna hit up the retranslation (as was done with Chrono Trigger) soon...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on April 26, 2008, 11:37:29 pm
Huh, never found a problem with VI's translation. At least, most everything seemed to make sense. But I think the last time I played that game, I wasn't even old enough to consider that a translated version would be so skewed from the original version.

But for stuff to hate: there is something fundamentally wrong with humanity when some people put so much effort in creating malware, which in turn requires that the rest put so much effort into just preventing those people from being asses. If Dante were around I think he'd put this sort of sin in a "very special level of Hell. A level they reserve for [malware creators] and people who talk at the theater."

just spent most my saturday trying to address viral infections over three computers, on top of having spent most of last saturday figuring out that it was these viruses that were causing other problems with said computers.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on April 26, 2008, 11:44:25 pm
Okay, Thought, I'm guessing you know a lot more about malware than I do (aka - I know nothing), so why DO people create malware?  Is it really just to be a pain?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on April 27, 2008, 12:19:03 am
If these mal-people would put their effort into something harmless and creative like hacking Chrono Cross, the world would be a better place.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Vehek on April 27, 2008, 12:25:18 am
I'm playing through Final Fantasy VI right now and I hate the translation...  I think I'm gonna hit up the retranslation (as was done with Chrono Trigger) soon...
You mean Sky Render's/RPGONE? I don't know Japanese, but his translation isn't so accurate in some places. Some of the mistakes in Woolsey's translation were repeated in SKy Render's.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on April 27, 2008, 12:50:37 am
Boo, to my understanding (which was developed today), "malware" is created nowadays with an economic model in mind. It isn't just honest anarchy anymore, like the viruses of the dot-matrix era; today's crap-that-messes-up-computers wants something from you. They want your passwords, your internet browsing patterns, etc. The people behind this aren't doing it to be mean, they're doing it to make money, which makes everything all the more difficult.

But there is a very good reason it took me 2 saturdays to identify these problems and then (mostly) resolve the issues. I suck at most technology. I'm young enough and like using computers enough that I fool most people into thinking I know what I am doing, but I really don't. However, I can research (a skill useful both in comuter jiggery-pokery and dusty academics).
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Anacalius on April 27, 2008, 01:15:29 am
RPGOne's translation is good, and the original was pretty good as well (For the time it came out). I really liked the RPGone's translation though, what "Repeated mistakes" are you referring to? o.o;
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on April 27, 2008, 01:18:34 am
Well as I said, I haven't played the alternate translation, but the original translation just had some horrendous dialogue.  Kefka said some downright stupid things (as memorable and likeable as he was).
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Anacalius on April 27, 2008, 03:56:01 am
Yeah, remember the year the game came out, though, and the overbearing censorship standards or the time, not to mention the fact that it was NINTENDO!!

Lines like "Son of a Submariner!!!" I assume are what you are talking about? =P
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Vehek on April 27, 2008, 03:57:55 am
RPGOne's translation is good, and the original was pretty good as well (For the time it came out). I really liked the RPGone's translation though, what "Repeated mistakes" are you referring to? o.o;
Things like this:
Quote from: Original translation
SETZER: Phew...
The Empire's made me a rich man.

Quote from: Sky Render's translation
Setzer
"Whoo......
I have the Empire to thank for my wealth."

Quote from: Lina Darkstar
Setzer: Hm.... Business's been bad thanks to the Empire, too.

Quote from: Kwhazit's site
Setzer: Phew......
Business is ruined thanks to the Empire.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on April 27, 2008, 11:27:08 am
And the fact that in the original translation no one dies.  They just "go to sleep"...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kebrel on April 27, 2008, 11:54:47 am
Of course no one dies, the just go to a far away farm to chase chickens all day long, with all the food and love a dog could ever want right...right...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on April 27, 2008, 05:45:17 pm
While not from FFVI, lines like "You spoony bard!" are downright classic.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on April 27, 2008, 09:36:05 pm
"This guy are sick"


Anyone remember that?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Anacalius on April 28, 2008, 01:08:34 am
No, but I think the best ever was "I feel asleep!"
(Obviously was supposed to be "I fell asleep!"
Who can name THAT game? =P
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on April 28, 2008, 01:13:37 am
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"This guy are sick"

Final Fantasy VII.  Aeris (Aerith) said it when they were checking out that guy in the Slums who lived in the sewer pipe (and later turned out not to be sick, but to be a former numbered experiment of Hojo's Jenova Project).
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kebrel on April 28, 2008, 01:16:06 am
No, but I think the best ever was "I feel asleep!"
(Obviously was supposed to be "I fell asleep!"
Who can name THAT game? =P
Metal Gear, one of the first things the game says.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Anacalius on April 28, 2008, 01:31:54 am
No, but I think the best ever was "I feel asleep!"
(Obviously was supposed to be "I fell asleep!"
Who can name THAT game? =P
Metal Gear, one of the first things the game says.

Well done. =P
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on April 28, 2008, 10:59:47 am
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"This guy are sick"

Final Fantasy VII.  Aeris (Aerith) said it when they were checking out that guy in the Slums who lived in the sewer pipe (and later turned out not to be sick, but to be a former numbered experiment of Hojo's Jenova Project).

That obviously wasn't a mistranslation but an intentional hint showing that "this guy" wasn't a singular being but part of a large group displaying similar symptoms. That guy was "sick," but he had a borg-like conciousness requiring the use of plurals... maybe... okay, probably not.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on April 28, 2008, 11:54:42 am
yeeeeeeeaaaaaaah...  i'm gonna go with no on that one.   :D
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Anacalius on April 28, 2008, 05:54:12 pm
Quote
"This guy are sick"

Final Fantasy VII.  Aeris (Aerith) said it when they were checking out that guy in the Slums who lived in the sewer pipe (and later turned out not to be sick, but to be a former numbered experiment of Hojo's Jenova Project).

That obviously wasn't a mistranslation but an intentional hint showing that "this guy" wasn't a singular being but part of a large group displaying similar symptoms. That guy was "sick," but he had a borg-like conciousness requiring the use of plurals... maybe... okay, probably not.

-_-
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on April 28, 2008, 10:38:29 pm
Quote
"This guy are sick"

Final Fantasy VII.  Aeris (Aerith) said it when they were checking out that guy in the Slums who lived in the sewer pipe (and later turned out not to be sick, but to be a former numbered experiment of Hojo's Jenova Project).


You are correct, sir.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: nightmare975 on April 28, 2008, 11:02:14 pm
No, but I think the best ever was "I feel asleep!"
(Obviously was supposed to be "I fell asleep!"
Who can name THAT game? =P

Metal Gear
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on April 29, 2008, 10:19:33 am
Metal Gear

little late on that...

Metal Gear, one of the first things the game says.

I hate waiting for final grades to be released.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: nightmare975 on April 29, 2008, 09:47:47 pm
I hate it when I look at new replies and it has sent me back a page, so I think I'm reading new info, but it I'm a day off.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on April 29, 2008, 10:01:48 pm
I hate old women who sou8nd like little girls.


.. It just creeps me out...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: MagilsugaM on May 02, 2008, 08:07:57 pm
I hate that the next g consoles in Australia are more expensive that the ones in USA,
F*cking pal/ntsc issues.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on May 02, 2008, 08:30:30 pm
I hate mondays... Wait no, I hate Sundays more, because those 5 week days are just looming, waiting to pounce at you and devour your happiness.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Anacalius on May 03, 2008, 11:42:25 am
I hate sleeping, yet I don't like getting up either.

 :?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Glennleo on May 03, 2008, 05:10:35 pm
I hate sleeping, yet I don't like getting up either.

 :?

Enetron perhaps?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on May 03, 2008, 09:03:51 pm

Enetron perhaps?


But you'd still be hungry.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: deviant_ambition on May 04, 2008, 02:42:07 pm
I almost bought me an Entertron.  Then I got a cup of coffee.

I hate when the general populace acts in such a stupid manner.  It's almost like a hive-mind.  Except in a not-working-out sense.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: BROJ on May 04, 2008, 02:55:02 pm
I almost bought me an Entertron.  Then I got a cup of coffee.

I hate when the general populace acts in such a stupid manner.  It's almost like a hive-mind.  Except in a not-working-out sense.
A great amount of the general populace gets suckered into buying Starbuck's expensive coffee and its variants; just a thought...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on May 04, 2008, 03:06:50 pm
Starbucks is consistently ranked inferior to a few others in a blind taste test. It's all retarded chic.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: deviant_ambition on May 04, 2008, 04:37:27 pm
Starbucks is consistently ranked inferior to a few others in a blind taste test. It's all retarded chic.
Quote
"Oh my god! I have to pay extra for this? It must be better! Yay!"
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on May 05, 2008, 08:37:07 am
Starbucks is consistently ranked inferior to a few others in a blind taste test. It's all retarded chic.

PLUS 1 for Zeality for speaking the truth about Starbucks and their rancid coffee.

Happy, Dad?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: V_Translanka on May 05, 2008, 05:48:19 pm
Alright, a quote answering a quote is one thing (hell, I've done that much before)...but a TWO CHARACTER post?!? C'mon, placidchap, you can do better than that...I know this is one of the more spammy threads, but DAMN.

Speaking of spammy threads...I think that's what I'll say I hate...favorite "whatever" threads...stupid game threads...one word answer threads...etc.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Glennleo on May 05, 2008, 08:41:09 pm
Alright, a quote answering a quote is one thing (hell, I've done that much before)...but a TWO CHARACTER post?!? C'mon, placidchap, you can do better than that...I know this is one of the more spammy threads, but DAMN.

Speaking of spammy threads...I think that's what I'll say I hate...favorite "whatever" threads...stupid game threads...one word answer threads...etc.

Word.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on May 06, 2008, 11:44:00 am
Must... keep... mouth.... shut.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on May 06, 2008, 11:56:06 am
Speaking of spammy threads...I think that's what I'll say I hate...favorite "whatever" threads...stupid game threads...one word answer threads...etc.

I'll add to that list:  people nitpicking the little things
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on May 06, 2008, 11:59:49 am
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Must... keep... mouth... shut.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kebrel on May 06, 2008, 12:07:34 pm
Must... keep... mouth.... shut.
QFT
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on May 06, 2008, 08:11:08 pm
I hate the fact that I got braces today, and my orthodontist said they'd hurt "A Little"

BULLSHIT! I'm dying over here!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kebrel on May 06, 2008, 09:03:33 pm
Braces never hurt for me, I got them and people were always feel sorry for me. PEOPLE THEY DON'T HURT. The problem was no hard candy, thats what sucked. And don't try and pull you got off easy, I had the whole shabang hydraulics and all.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: V_Translanka on May 06, 2008, 09:40:13 pm
Quote from: placidchap
I'll add to that list:  people nitpicking the little things

Don't like the internet, huh?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on May 07, 2008, 09:33:39 am
Quote from: placidchap
I'll add to that list:  people nitpicking the little things

Don't like the internet, huh?

Just people in general, really.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: V_Translanka on May 07, 2008, 05:49:05 pm
Fleas...damnedable, ninja-disappearing, only-bite-you-while-you-sleep, bastard fleas...I'll take a thousand fuctard people over fleas any day...I don't even have any goddamn pets...*grumble*
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on May 07, 2008, 08:46:50 pm
I H4T3 P30PL3 WH0 T4LK L1K3 TH15!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: VincentGAU8 on May 07, 2008, 09:13:38 pm
I H4T3 P30PL3 WH0 T4LK L1K3 TH15!

I guess i do too, now.. i barely understood that!! well, having glasses do not help..
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kebrel on May 07, 2008, 09:29:25 pm
*sigh* being a star-crossed-lover really has no novelty to it. One last chance this Saturday wish me luck.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on May 07, 2008, 10:33:36 pm
*sigh* being a star-crossed-lover really has no novelty to it. One last chance this Saturday wish me luck.

I don't think I'm familiar with the term "Star-Crossed". Explain?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Glennleo on May 07, 2008, 10:46:02 pm
*sigh* being a star-crossed-lover really has no novelty to it. One last chance this Saturday wish me luck.

I don't think I'm familiar with the term "Star-Crossed". Explain?

I had to look it up lto refresh the concept myself. :lol:
Basically Romeo and Juliet.

Two people love it each or like each other, but there is something getting in their way.

I know that's a simplified definition, but I'm trying to make it easier.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kebrel on May 07, 2008, 10:53:44 pm
It means the whole worlds out to stop us. I am Exaggerating, really its just unexpected work, family, injury, school and such. Everytime we get together it goes awry, this Saturday is our Prom hopefully this will work.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on May 08, 2008, 10:23:16 am
It means the whole worlds out to stop us. I am Exaggerating, really its just unexpected work, family, injury, school and such. Everytime we get together it goes awry, this Saturday is our Prom hopefully this will work.

Be sure to practice safe sex and don't drink and drive!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on May 10, 2008, 02:07:08 pm
It means the whole worlds out to stop us. I am Exaggerating, really its just unexpected work, family, injury, school and such. Everytime we get together it goes awry, this Saturday is our Prom hopefully this will work.

Be sure to practice safe sex and don't drink and drive!


Thanks G.I. Joe, Now we know!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: BROJ on May 10, 2008, 04:57:31 pm
Smartasses.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on May 10, 2008, 05:06:19 pm
We prefer "intellegently-advantaged asses".
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: BROJ on May 10, 2008, 05:13:04 pm
We prefer "intellegently-advantaged asses".
:lol:... O~kay...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on May 10, 2008, 05:20:47 pm
I hate people/threads like this:

http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php/topic,5385.0.html
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on May 10, 2008, 05:22:34 pm
I hate people/threads like this:

http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php/topic,5385.0.html

Yeah,  that post was made with your IP.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Anacalius on May 10, 2008, 05:24:38 pm
I hate people/threads like this:

http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php/topic,5385.0.html

Um... I can't see it? Says it's off limits...  :?

Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: BROJ on May 10, 2008, 05:26:38 pm
I hate people/threads like this:

http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php/topic,5385.0.html

Yeah,  that post was made with your IP.
*crickets*



P.S. Don't mess with Zeality!  :)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on May 10, 2008, 05:50:16 pm
... er...

Yeah, i've done that on forums before. I ran out of stuff for this thread so... I'm sorry?

jeez, I knew that would happen. ouch.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: BROJ on May 10, 2008, 06:48:20 pm
Well, consider this is Ramsus's and Zeality's house; what you did was technically graffiti--and I shouldn't have to mention Ramsus, Zeality, and Radical Dreamer hold the power of a proverbial mjollnir that can shake the heavens, so to speak--teh banhammer! :wink: So...
jeez, I knew that would happen. ouch.
Use common sense; Zeality sees all that happens in the forum.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kebrel on May 10, 2008, 07:16:00 pm
Or just don't get caught...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on May 10, 2008, 08:00:51 pm
I sent Zeality a message of apology. Hopefully, I won't get banned... Seriously, this forum rocks and that's the last thing I want to happen. :/
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: V_Translanka on May 10, 2008, 08:29:00 pm
So...what was the thread that you didn't like ACTUALLY? I mean, you've posted twice since the mistake and still haven't corrected it...>_>
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on May 10, 2008, 08:42:17 pm
So...what was the thread that you didn't like ACTUALLY? I mean, you've posted twice since the mistake and still haven't corrected it...>_>

Funny story (well, more like an accounting of a stupid punk kid move on my part, but whatever). I actually created a false account here called "25 2 LIFE GOD" and posted a thread  saying "lookin 4 sum girls 2 gimme thur addys ;)". Then I posted it here, and ZealitY saw that the post came from my IP address.

It's been awkward for ever since. >.>;
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on May 11, 2008, 08:14:02 pm
I'm going to shake my head at you for that.

But it's cool.  Just behave from now on.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on May 11, 2008, 09:34:57 pm
I'm going to shake my head at you for that.

But it's cool.  Just behave from now on.

Thanks... I felt really bad for it afterwards.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on May 11, 2008, 11:38:38 pm
FUCK MATHEMATICS
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on May 11, 2008, 11:59:30 pm
4 sum girls 2 = Does Not Compute for lack of a proper operand.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: BROJ on May 12, 2008, 12:34:04 am
FUCK MATHEMATICS
:shock:... Dare I ask what about mathematics you find so vexing?..
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kebrel on May 12, 2008, 12:39:28 am
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4 sum girls 2 = Does Not Compute for lack of a proper operand.
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/useless.jpg)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on May 12, 2008, 12:46:41 am
Ah, wonderbar, and hence Kebrel may have illustrated part of ZeaLitY's implicit contention -- Math just can't be applied to some of the things that are really important in life. Er, something.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on May 12, 2008, 12:52:45 am
I don't use mathematics at all, yet I have to take a graduate entrance exam tomorrow with a hard math section. Did I ever need to care about sets or permutations in ANY SINGLE FUCKING CLASS IN COLLEGE? IN ANY SITUATION IN REAL LIFE? Have I even THOUGHT about shapes or angles since high school!?

They said "no no, you'll use math in real life and in your career, and you at least need it in education."

(http://www.kino.de/pix/newspics/GALERIE/180704_4.jpg)

HAHAHHAHA

Oh, I believed them. I should have believed my friends who complained that they'd never see this stuff again as long as they lived. The proof is in that I went from someone who passed the AP Calculus exam to one who cannot even figure out the length of a triangle side, let alone give a flying damn about it. Shows how much I've used mathematics.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on May 12, 2008, 01:02:33 am
Oh man, permutations...*shivers*.

No doubt it's one of those tests you have to pay for as well.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on May 12, 2008, 01:39:53 am
Here are the biggest offenders. What does the last one even mean? The blue circled answer is the correct one. I guessed on all of these anyway.

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Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on May 12, 2008, 11:00:56 am
What are you going to grad school for?  I thought you were a Business student?  Last time I checked you don't need to know permutations for business.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on May 12, 2008, 11:18:26 am
Is the answer to the last one "5"? It's a horrible ruse, not giving you instructions on how to "read" the table. In any case, I'd better snatch these for GRE practice. Was this a math subject test ZeaLitY, or a general graduation test of some sort?

And, dare I ask, do they even allow you to use calculators on this test? 'Cuz, ya know, it's not like you'll ever have a calculator available to you when you need to do math in real life. The only situation I can think of in which calculator-less math skills would come in handy is if you get shipwrecked on a deserted island populated by super-advanced monkeys who force you to churn out trigonometry answers under threat of having your skull bashed in with coconuts.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on May 12, 2008, 02:20:08 pm
To be fair, Faust, it isn't like the time restrictions on standardized tests are all that realistic either. If we start trying to apply context to standardized tests... well that just wont due.

If one is going to go through all the work of solving a math problem, why even bother with multiple choice? (oh yeah, because multiple choice is cheaper than an actually effective medium.)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Daniel Krispin on May 12, 2008, 03:45:54 pm
Here are the biggest offenders. What does the last one even mean? The blue circled answer is the correct one. I guessed on all of these anyway.

What's the problem with them?

The last one? Well, I've not seen this sort of thing ever before, but the value where the vertical and horizontal intersect is equal to their sum. Ie. x + 4 = 1. Therefore you know x = -3. Keep doing that till you can find both the values of m and n.

Why would you need a calculator for this? I guess maybe for the trigonometry. Eh... no. Calculator doesn't help you. It's just that, see, the middle bottom angle there is 180-2x, eh? Well, the entirety of the left triangle is 180. So call the unknown N, it's 180 = x + 180 - 2x + N, you get N = x. Both are isocoles triangles. Therefore AD = BD = BC = 6.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Hadriel on May 12, 2008, 04:31:44 pm
Or even simpler; you could just recognize that the triangle on the right is equilateral and that its side length is the same as the one it gives you, automatically meaning the requested side length is 6.

For the division problem, all you have to do is factor 96 into the factors on top, which renders it 8*3*(2^2), meaning that 96^2 = 8^2 * 3^2 * 2^4.  Thus you have your answer.

The first problem can be done by noticing that it takes nine iterations for the sequence to reach -4, thus meaning n is 10.  The fence problem is just adding together 200 plus the length of that quarter-circle, which will be 50π, which is slightly larger than 150, leaving 357 the closest number.  Finally, the task force problem features six possible arrangements of men and three possible arrangements of women, meaning 18 possible task forces.

(edited to include all incorrect problems, because I'm bored, but apparently not bored enough to list the problems in the right order)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on May 12, 2008, 04:48:05 pm
As Faust pointed out, that last one is nasty because it presents a chart and doesn't inform the reader how to interpret it. That isn't very nice as it requires one to re-arrange ones "mental grammar," as it were, to make sense of the "equation." To offer a linguistic equivalent, it would have been similar to a question asking information about the following sentence:

"Hates Zeality being tested on math"

Such a sentence is, effectively, no different than "Zeality hates being tested on math," but I switched the sentence construction (so it goes verb, subject, object, indirect object rather than the normal subject, verb, object, indirect object).

To relate that back to that problem, the problem reads "+" "X" "4" "1", with "=" being "gapped." One has to rearrange the "grammar" of the equation to make sense of it. "+" is essentially a verb for math, "x" being the subject, "4" being the object, and "1" being the indirect object.

Once that has been done, it is just simple addition (and subtraction); any 2nd grader should be able to do the majority of it. However, it also is a trick question. On a math section of a test, one has the expectation of being tested on math (silly expectation, I know, but blame the name). That problem is really just a thinking problem in the guise of math; it is testing how flexible a person's mind is, not how good they are at math. Thus, it is breaking a person's expectations. Very sneaksy.

Oddly, the test isn't uniform in testing one's "metathinking" apart from one's ability at math. Take the third problem, for example. With a 7th grade understanding of math, one could easily determine that the answer is around 350 (as the length of the hypotenuse is easy to roughly estimate, and the added length of the rest, to take into account the curve of the quarter circle, wouldn't that significant). If there had been a random distribution of answers, that is all one would need to do in order to find the answer. But no, the answers aren't randomly distributed; the designers specifically put two numbers that are unusually close together in the answer options (all other possible answers are around 50 apart, but two are only 10 apart). The problem would have been incredibly easy to solve if the test makers had played fair. But no, instead of being able to just change one's perspective, one really is forced to figure out one quarter the circumference of a circle to be sure one is getting the correct answer.

Indeed, from that page, I am not even sure if the designers were really aware of what they were testing in the first place.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on May 12, 2008, 06:04:01 pm
Why would you need a calculator for this? I guess maybe for the trigonometry. Eh... no. Calculator doesn't help you. It's just that, see, the middle bottom angle there is 180-2x, eh? Well, the entirety of the left triangle is 180. So call the unknown N, it's 180 = x + 180 - 2x + N, you get N = x. Both are isocoles triangles. Therefore AD = BD = BC = 6.

True enough for that problem, but often they'll ask you to solve trig questions that require previous memorization of what the sine and cosine of 60o are, etc., etc. If it's been years since you committed those babies to memory, you're pretty much farked. In my math-monkey island analogy, I'd be coconutted to death. Unless there's a way of deriving those facts on the fly? I'm open to suggestions. The best I've come up with is that you must, at the very least, memorize what a 30-60-90 and 45-45-90 triangle "look like" in terms of side lengths.

This is turning into The Compendium Guide to the GRE.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on May 12, 2008, 06:12:04 pm
This is turning into The Compendium Guide to the GRE.

Ooo, is this a new Fan Project? Crono Calculus? Lucca Literature Review? Marle Mathematics? Frog Physics? Robo Writing composition? Ayla Art? Magus .... I got nothing for Magus.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Hadriel on May 12, 2008, 06:23:27 pm
If there was a GRE Fucking People's Shit Up subject test, I guess we'd have material for Magus.  Though he was a prince of Zeal, which means he probably had an excellent education.  Considering their level of technical advancement and his native intelligence I'd be surprised if he couldn't hack the test program and give himself a perfect score.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on May 12, 2008, 08:24:02 pm
I'm not sure; I had no idea the GRE even existed, since everything down here uses the GMAT. And it's just a test to get into business school; as real life and college have proven, I haven't used any of this since leaving high school.

I managed to do "okay" on the math part today. We had no calculator, just a big erasable clipboard. Fortunately, I obliterated the verbal and English section so much that my final score scratched the average of the Ivy League schools. You could say it's a tinge below their average (of 700 usually), and it's all because of that damn, dirty math.

I hate that Firefox crashed and lost all the tabbed favorites, which is how I store threads on the Compendium for updates. I'll have to include a message in the next update that if something doesn't appear, it should be resubmitted.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on May 12, 2008, 09:14:01 pm
Woah. I've only just finished up my first Algebra course, and that whole sheet of equations blew my mind.

I wish you massive amounts of riches and concubines on this epic mathematic quest, good sir.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kebrel on May 12, 2008, 09:50:18 pm
I just took my AP Calc A.B. test and I think i did pretty good on the thing as a whole. Free response was a pain at the end.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on May 12, 2008, 09:56:03 pm
Free response? Does that entail an essay question!?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Daniel Krispin on May 12, 2008, 10:16:54 pm
Why would you need a calculator for this? I guess maybe for the trigonometry. Eh... no. Calculator doesn't help you. It's just that, see, the middle bottom angle there is 180-2x, eh? Well, the entirety of the left triangle is 180. So call the unknown N, it's 180 = x + 180 - 2x + N, you get N = x. Both are isocoles triangles. Therefore AD = BD = BC = 6.

True enough for that problem, but often they'll ask you to solve trig questions that require previous memorization of what the sine and cosine of 60o are, etc., etc. If it's been years since you committed those babies to memory, you're pretty much farked. In my math-monkey island analogy, I'd be coconutted to death. Unless there's a way of deriving those facts on the fly? I'm open to suggestions. The best I've come up with is that you must, at the very least, memorize what a 30-60-90 and 45-45-90 triangle "look like" in terms of side lengths.

This is turning into The Compendium Guide to the GRE.

Ah, I think there is a way of doing it. Whatchamacallit, Taylor Polynomials. Not that I remember how to do them, but I think you can derive the solutions that way. It's the way calculators work, too. Anyway, what this all is testing is your ability not to memorize methods more than your ability to abstractly problem solve. I had no bloody clue what an 'addition table' was, but I had no problem rationalizing how to think through it because it seemed to be a logical solution to the problem at hand. Maybe it's my engineering training that does that. Actually, that's probably the main distinction between university and something like a technical college: a technical school teaches you specific skillsets. A university teaches you a base way to think so that you can apply it to multiple scenerios. I think that sort of general understanding is what the test was attempting to figure through: not if you can jump through the hoops of specific formulas, but if you can think in a general mathematical way in order to reason through solutions even of problems you've not been exposed to. The triangle one is a perfect example of that.

Though I must say, I wasn't all that great at higher level mathematics, simply because I'm better at the directly applied formulae (like in dynamics) rather than the abstract thinking that, say, multiple variable differential equations *shudder* require. That sort of stuff taxed my upper mental limit. Though, ironically, in things like languages and translation I'm not a 'grammar' type translator, and don't think step by step, but am always trying to contextualize and think here there and everywhere. Hm. Anyway, pure mathematics were never my strong suit. The basic calculus which you used to, say, derive the equations of velocity... that stuff was fun. But when it got to stuff that's difficult to visualize, I lost it. (Though I must say, some of the basic stuff can be a heck of a lot of fun... like using integration to get the formula for the area of a triangle. For simplicity, if you take a right angle one, and put the angle on the origin of an x/y grid... say, make the triangle A high and B wide... well, derive the sloped line (which would then be... y=(A/-B)x + A) ... A/B being the slope) you get integration of this, which would be something like integral (y) = .5(A/-B)x^2 +Ax = (0.5A/-0.5B)x^2 + Ax... from x=0 to x=B, therefore...
integral = area = .5(A/-B)B^2 +AB = -0.5AB + AB = .5AB... therefore, as we've been told since children, area of a triangle is 0.5A*B. Cool, eh? I thought that awesome when I first learned it.

What's a GRE, by the way? I assume it means something like General Requirement Exam. We don't have anything like that in Canada that I'm aware of.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: BROJ on May 12, 2008, 10:19:23 pm
I just took my AP Calc A.B. test and I think i did pretty good on the thing as a whole. Free response was a pain at the end.
God, I hated loathed those!

Quote from: Daniel Krispin
What's a GRE, by the way? I assume it means something like General Requirement Exam. We don't have anything like that in Canada that I'm aware of.
Graduate Record Examination; it's a standardized test for applicants to graduate school programs.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Hadriel on May 13, 2008, 05:20:39 am
The problem for a testing situation is that Taylor polynomials not only take time to derive, they only provide an approximate evaluation (as they are power series).  There isn't really a good way to derive trigonometric values on the fly except for 45-degree angles; by the Pythagorean theorem, it is intuitively obvious that both the sine and cosine of a 45-degree angle are 1/(sqrt)2.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on May 13, 2008, 10:24:43 am
This kind of math is not needed for business school.  Unless you are in the business of creating math books?

Which business school is this for, if I may ask?

I hate linear algebra.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on May 13, 2008, 10:38:58 am
Actually, that's probably the main distinction between university and something like a technical college: a technical school teaches you specific skillsets. A university teaches you a base way to think so that you can apply it to multiple scenerios.

That is the main theoretical distinction between universities and technical colleges; unfortunately, it doesn’t always play out that way (and Universities still have a heavy focus on route learning).

As for what I hate... any math homework that has more than about 5 problems. That is enough to test one's ability to solve a specific problem type. Either one knows how to do it and 5 is almost too much, or one doesn't know how to do it and more will just solidify an incorrect understanding and promote a general distaste for the subject.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on May 13, 2008, 10:49:14 am
Quote from: Daniel Krispin
What's a GRE, by the way? I assume it means something like General Requirement Exam. We don't have anything like that in Canada that I'm aware of.
Graduate Record Examination; it's a standardized test for applicants to graduate school programs.

I think the GRE is in Canada but as far as I know, the GMAT is for business[management] schools and the GRE is for most everything else...  Do you have to take both Zeality? 

Where abouts in Canada do you live, Daniel?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on May 13, 2008, 12:37:03 pm
Just the GMAT. And yeah, I never used any of that math except for the stuff involved in business statistics.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Daniel Krispin on May 13, 2008, 03:05:13 pm
Quote from: Daniel Krispin
What's a GRE, by the way? I assume it means something like General Requirement Exam. We don't have anything like that in Canada that I'm aware of.
Graduate Record Examination; it's a standardized test for applicants to graduate school programs.

I think the GRE is in Canada but as far as I know, the GMAT is for business[management] schools and the GRE is for most everything else...  Do you have to take both Zeality? 

Where abouts in Canada do you live, Daniel?

Western areas, that is, Alberta. As far as I've noticed, it's not. I've just applied to and been accepted in a Master's program in Classics, and I've not had to take anything of that fashion. In the same way you guys have SATs. We don't have those either. We have our diploma exams at the end of grade 12, but that's something rather different.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on May 13, 2008, 04:01:00 pm
Western areas, that is, Alberta. As far as I've noticed, it's not. I've just applied to and been accepted in a Master's program in Classics, and I've not had to take anything of that fashion. In the same way you guys have SATs. We don't have those either. We have our diploma exams at the end of grade 12, but that's something rather different.

I'm aware of the location of Alberta.  I currently attend UWO over in the Eastern parts, namely Ontario.
It is a department by department, school by school basis from what I can tell.  For example, UWO's Grad Psych program requests the GRE while the Grad Classics @ UWO does not.  And looking on google at other universities, it is the similar.  So yes Canada does have it, but from the looks of it, gradutate studies in Classics is not one to utilize the test.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Daniel Krispin on May 13, 2008, 07:40:18 pm
Western areas, that is, Alberta. As far as I've noticed, it's not. I've just applied to and been accepted in a Master's program in Classics, and I've not had to take anything of that fashion. In the same way you guys have SATs. We don't have those either. We have our diploma exams at the end of grade 12, but that's something rather different.

I'm aware of the location of Alberta.  I currently attend UWO over in the Eastern parts, namely Ontario.
It is a department by department, school by school basis from what I can tell.  For example, UWO's Grad Psych program requests the GRE while the Grad Classics @ UWO does not.  And looking on google at other universities, it is the similar.  So yes Canada does have it, but from the looks of it, gradutate studies in Classics is not one to utilize the test.

Ah, that makes sense.

You're at UWO, eh? Quite the reputation for a party school, from what I've heard, heh. I've got a friend that went there for her pre-med last year.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on May 13, 2008, 10:36:31 pm
Quote from: Daniel Krispin
What's a GRE, by the way? I assume it means something like General Requirement Exam. We don't have anything like that in Canada that I'm aware of.
Graduate Record Examination; it's a standardized test for applicants to graduate school programs.

I think the GRE is in Canada but as far as I know, the GMAT is for business[management] schools and the GRE is for most everything else...  Do you have to take both Zeality? 

Where abouts in Canada do you live, Daniel?

Western areas, that is, Alberta. As far as I've noticed, it's not. I've just applied to and been accepted in a Master's program in Classics, and I've not had to take anything of that fashion. In the same way you guys have SATs. We don't have those either. We have our diploma exams at the end of grade 12, but that's something rather different.

I suppose Alberta is on the western half of Canada, but for me, I think of BC as largely being the western part of Canada. But perhaps the notion of a fly-over doesn't really exist in Canada?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Daniel Krispin on May 14, 2008, 01:14:54 am
Western areas, that is, Alberta. As far as I've noticed, it's not. I've just applied to and been accepted in a Master's program in Classics, and I've not had to take anything of that fashion. In the same way you guys have SATs. We don't have those either. We have our diploma exams at the end of grade 12, but that's something rather different.

I suppose Alberta is on the western half of Canada, but for me, I think of BC as largely being the western part of Canada. But perhaps the notion of a fly-over doesn't really exist in Canada?

Well, as we see it BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba, are the 'West' as a whole. The rest of the provinces are the *shudder* East. Heh. Yes, East and West have a bit of a rivalry going on. Namely their political centre over there in Ottawa is taking advantage of our economy out here in the west. Hmph.

Anyway, yeah, anything west of Ontario is considered the West as a whole.

And as it is, I do have a certain affinity for BC. I WAS born there, and the hill countries have always had a bit of a larger share of my heart than the prairies. It's too... flat hereabouts.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on May 14, 2008, 11:41:41 am
I hate it when news agencies report the findings of some study or experiment but don't provide enough information regarding the study to actually evaluate its significance.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Anacalius on May 14, 2008, 11:58:23 am
I hate it when news agencies report the findings of some study or experiment but don't provide enough information regarding the study to actually evaluate its significance.

Yeah, I absolutely agree with you there.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on May 14, 2008, 12:20:33 pm
I hate the locking of threads.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on May 14, 2008, 02:45:44 pm
I hate it when you have a great idea and someone makes it.  Like if you have an idea for invention or a movie, and then a while later a similar invention or story crops up.

Makes me wanna kick myself in the shins.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on May 14, 2008, 11:09:17 pm
Well, as we see it BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba, are the 'West' as a whole. The rest of the provinces are the *shudder* East. Heh. Yes, East and West have a bit of a rivalry going on. Namely their political centre over there in Ottawa is taking advantage of our economy out here in the west. Hmph.

Anyway, yeah, anything west of Ontario is considered the West as a whole.

And as it is, I do have a certain affinity for BC. I WAS born there, and the hill countries have always had a bit of a larger share of my heart than the prairies. It's too... flat hereabouts.

Ah, see by my way of thinking, only states/provinces that touch an ocean are East or West, with everything else being fly-over. I guess there's no analagous notion in Canada.

BC is quite beautiful. The mountain views from Vancouver are fantastic, and I hear that Vancouver Island is prettier still.

Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on May 15, 2008, 10:18:30 am
Well, as we see it BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba, are the 'West' as a whole. The rest of the provinces are the *shudder* East. Heh. Yes, East and West have a bit of a rivalry going on. Namely their political centre over there in Ottawa is taking advantage of our economy out here in the west. Hmph.

Anyway, yeah, anything west of Ontario is considered the West as a whole.

And as it is, I do have a certain affinity for BC. I WAS born there, and the hill countries have always had a bit of a larger share of my heart than the prairies. It's too... flat hereabouts.

Ah, see by my way of thinking, only states/provinces that touch an ocean are East or West, with everything else being fly-over. I guess there's no analagous notion in Canada.

BC is quite beautiful. The mountain views from Vancouver are fantastic, and I hear that Vancouver Island is prettier still.

Isn't it more common to call the ocean touching states/provinces "East Coast" and "West Coast"?  Then there is the West, Central and Eastern parts.  Or mid-west/heartland for the States..
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on May 15, 2008, 10:56:57 am
Actually, for the United States, sane people call the west coast area the western part of the United States, but people on the East coast aren't sane. Ohio, a state rather clearly in the eastern half of the United States, is a "mid-western" state. Texas, which is about in the center of the United States, is a Southern State. Colorado, which is physically in the western part of the middle of the United States, is a western state.

I guess that makes California the Far West, then, and people in Massachusetts must think that Hawaii is destroyed every evening when the sun lands on it, it is that far west.

It is slightly comforting to know that Americans aren't the only ones confused by the geography of their own nation.

Side note: Daniel, I quite understand. I was born on the American West Coast and moutains are a beautiful thing. I now live in what used to be prairie land. First time I came here I couldn't figure out what was so fundamentally wrong with the environment until someone pointed out that there are no mountains in sight. *sighs* I want to see mountains again, Gandalf, mountains.

And BC is one of the world’s most beautiful places.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on May 15, 2008, 11:01:37 am
And BC is one of the world’s most beautiful places.

It is in our top 3 choices of where we plan on moving after university.  Too bad it is one of the most, if not the most, expensive place to live in Canada...


And there are too many States, for my liking.  Too many chefs in the kitchen. 
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Glennleo on May 15, 2008, 11:11:21 am
Actually, for the United States, sane people call the west coast area the western part of the United States, but people on the East coast aren't sane. Ohio, a state rather clearly in the eastern half of the United States, is a "mid-western" state. Texas, which is about in the center of the United States, is a Southern State. Colorado, which is physically in the western part of the middle of the United States, is a western state.

I guess that makes California the Far West, then, and people in Massachusetts must think that Hawaii is destroyed every evening when the sun lands on it, it is that far west.

The only reason most of the states have weird names, was when they actually became states.

Like for Ohio for instance its in the mid-west because at the time in 1803 the "west" was simply all the land unexplored in the west, and Ohio was a mid-way point between the the east coast and the "west". The name just stuck I think.

Same with Texas. It was admitted to the US as a slave state, and the slave states were general referred to as the south. Hence to this day Texas is in the South.

All the weirdness, wasn't so weird back in the day. And since people don't like to change names and such, it is stuck to this day.

Why do you think we haven't converted to the much easier metric system?

I for one would like to join the rest of the world and use the same measuring system lol.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on May 15, 2008, 12:50:44 pm
I hate when networks cancel shows that I like, when it only has 13 million viewers. *cough* Shark *cough*
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on May 15, 2008, 01:25:59 pm
Like for Ohio for instance its in the mid-west because at the time in 1803 the "west" was simply all the land unexplored in the west, and Ohio was a mid-way point between the the east coast and the "west". The name just stuck I think.

"West" only sort of stuck. Ohio, which is definitely in the east, is a "Midwestern" state, so "west" stuck, but the perception of the "west" is a powerful one in American history (indeed, the "closing of the west" is usually seen as a significant landmark in American history). Eventually, when Ohio became developed, people wanted to get away from it all (again) and so what did they do? They packed things up and headed west! They went west from the west into the west, but not usually too far west, as later other people would head west from that west to a new west. Even while calling Ohio the west or Midwest, people knew quite well that it was neither mid nor west (sounds like a topic for Coffee Talk).

All the weirdness, wasn't so weird back in the day. And since people don't like to change names and such, it is stuck to this day.

Not entirely true. Even old New York was once New Amsterdam. Why they changed it, I can't say. I guess they just like it better that way.

Why do you think we haven't converted to the much easier metric system?

Because it is the tool of the devil? My car gets thirty rods to the hog's head and that's the way I's likes it.

It is actually rather amusing. The government can institute all sorts of uniformity (such as with the coming switch to digital TV signals), but switching to the metric system? Bah.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Glennleo on May 15, 2008, 01:30:17 pm
All the weirdness, wasn't so weird back in the day. And since people don't like to change names and such, it is stuck to this day.

Not entirely true. Even old New York was once New Amsterdam. Why they changed it, I can't say. I guess they just like it better that way.

Because once it was taken over by the British, they renamed the city in honor of the King's brother, James, who was the Duke of York.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on May 15, 2008, 01:35:14 pm
Not entirely true. Even old New York was once New Amsterdam. Why they changed it, I can't say. I guess they just like it better that way.

Because once it was taken over by the British, they renamed the city in honor of the King's brother, James, who was the Duke of York.

Yes, but that is much harder to put to music. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo0X77OBJUg)

I hate when networks cancel shows that I like, when it only has 13 million viewers. *cough* Shark *cough*

Meh. The Network cancaled Firefly, which is quite possibly one of the best pieces of science fiction ever (in any media form). After that, I wouldn't be surprised if a network would cancel broadcasting the second coming.

"The New Report Special, the Return of Jesus Our Lord and Savior, will not be shown tonight so that instead we may bring you this emergency episode of Farmer Wants a Sister."
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: dan_death on May 15, 2008, 07:34:14 pm
I hate it when people actually take the time to comment on a youtube video and say "oh it sucks! blah blah!" when they were the ones looking for it in the first place! Damn hypocrites!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kebrel on May 15, 2008, 08:36:50 pm
Not entirely true. Even old New York was once New Amsterdam. Why they changed it, I can't say. I guess they just like it better that way.

Because once it was taken over by the British, they renamed the city in honor of the King's brother, James, who was the Duke of York.

Yes, but that is much harder to put to music. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo0X77OBJUg)
I saw that coming. :D


Comments are great though



A)okay they called it constanopole for a reason u idots. but then the turks called it Istanbule. Gosh u ppl are stupid

B)Hypocrite much? Any intelligent person would actually say an argument and leave it at that without flinging pointless insults around that contribute nothing to the debate. Let's also not forget that you don't feel like taking the milliseconds to spell out most words, which just makes your post look stupid. You didn't capitolize the beginnings of your first two sentences, and you spelled "Istanbul" wrong.

C)Wow. Thanks, Youtube. You're probably the only place I can go to witness a modern religious/cultural debate take place in the comments for a song that was written in 1929.

D)I prefer Byzantium.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Glennleo on May 16, 2008, 12:52:27 am
 :lol: :lol:  :lol:

Now I got what you meant.

Thought is a sly bastard. Very sneaksy.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsAiCs66l40&feature=related

Still one of my favorite songs, since I heard it when I was little and Tiny Toon Adventures was still a new show lol.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on May 16, 2008, 10:32:50 am
Sad thing in, Constantinople is Istanbul and it was even back in the day. Like Rome before it, people just called Constantinople "The City," except, you know, in Greek. So when people were going "to/in the city" they were "eis ten Polin"
(εις την Πόλιν). Or, in other words, Is-ten-Pol. But that is enough history for now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsAiCs66l40&feature=related

Still one of my favorite songs, since I heard it when I was little and Tiny Toon Adventures was still a new show lol.

Ah, that brings back memories. Actually, Tiny Toons is where I first heard Constantinople, too. Now if only there was a music video of James K Polk starring Plucky Duck...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on May 16, 2008, 02:03:05 pm
This is a love/hate relationship:  Holiday weekends.  Great for relaxing, bad if you need to do something.  it is either overcrowded where ever you go or it is closed!  But I think I will enjoy this one, first since the school year ended!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on May 16, 2008, 03:29:32 pm
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Meh. The Network cancelled Firefly, which is quite possibly one of the best pieces of science fiction ever (in any media form).

So can I just say that I just now fell in love with Firefly?  I remember hearing about it when it debuted... and when it got cancelled... and when Serenity came out, and I always ASSUMED I would like it, but I didn't know any fans and it never got exposed to me.

So earlier today I was flipping through channels (I don't watch TV often) and I ended up watching three episodes.  To say the least, I just bought the Season One boxed set...  So consider me a fan.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: BROJ on May 16, 2008, 03:36:06 pm
I always liked Firefly as it was a unique blend of western and space sci-fi; to say the least I was hooked from the first episode on... until they canceled it that is... :x

However, I bought the DVD set a while back; found it rather neat that it had some of the 'unaired' episodes on it.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on May 16, 2008, 04:03:51 pm
So earlier today I was flipping through channels (I don't watch TV often) and I ended up watching three episodes.  To say the least, I just bought the Season One boxed set...  So consider me a fan.

Shiny!

And I believe the correct terminology is either Flan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flan_%28disambiguation%29) or Browncoat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browncoat).

But yes... Firefly. The dialogue of that show puts Shakespeare to shame.

Ah! Curse Fox's sudden but inevitable betrayal!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: BROJ on May 16, 2008, 04:08:52 pm
Ah! Curse Fox's sudden but inevitable betrayal!
Nice!  :lol:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on May 16, 2008, 04:23:22 pm
Speaking of Fox, has anyone seen the documentary "Outfoxed"?  Good view, I think it is on Google video.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: BROJ on May 16, 2008, 04:46:32 pm
Speaking of Fox, has anyone seen the documentary "Outfoxed"?  Good view, I think it is on Google video.
That's the one detailing Fox's owner's and, derivatively, his company's  corruption and biased reporting, right? Really, I think that's the case across the board as everyone's more readily apt to push their own agenda than provide the 'truth'.
Put short: There's no news source that will tell 100% 'truth', 100% of the time(or even close to it, for that matter.); it's up to oneself to find out what's the 'truth' and strive to find it--not to be led around like sheep by some news network.

That's the real problem with society.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on May 16, 2008, 04:52:07 pm
I quite agree.

An easy way to find a bias in a media source like a newspaper or online news site is to look at the photos they choose for political figures. If the news source doesn't like a particular political figure, the pictures choosen for that person are usually quite unflattering (it seems like using pictures of politicians in mid-sentance is a favorite). In reverse, if the news source likes a particular political figure, it is amazing how nice the pictures almost always are; taken from a bit of an angle to give the politician a larger than life look, always when they are smiling or, when appropriate, brooding deeply.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on May 16, 2008, 05:03:44 pm
Speaking of Fox, has anyone seen the documentary "Outfoxed"?  Good view, I think it is on Google video.
That's the one detailing Fox's owner's and, derivatively, his company's  corruption and biased reporting, right? Really, I think that's the case across the board as everyone's more readily apt to push their own agenda than provide the 'truth'.
Put short: There's no news source that will tell 100% 'truth', 100% of the time(or even close to it, for that matter.); it's up to oneself to find out what's the 'truth' and strive to find it--not to be led around like sheep by some news network.

That's the real problem with society.

It is still a good view.  And yea, I don't get my news from any news outlet in the States.  Seems like the least biased stuff comes from other countries. 
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: BROJ on May 16, 2008, 05:09:45 pm
It is still a good view.  And yea, I don't get my news from any news outlet in the States.  Seems like the least biased stuff comes from other countries. 
The problem still, to some degree of effect, applies to the rest of the world, nevertheless. When one relies on 'truth' solely from another, instead of searching for it, it is as if one is attempting to clasp the moon from the water, so to speak.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on May 16, 2008, 05:18:16 pm
It is still a good view.  And yea, I don't get my news from any news outlet in the States.  Seems like the least biased stuff comes from other countries. 
The problem still, to some degree of effect, applies to the rest of the world, nevertheless. When one relies on 'truth' solely from another, instead of searching for it, it is as if one is attempting to clasp the moon from the water, so to speak.

Everyone has an agenda.  And I didn't mention a single source, I said "other", implying more than one, unles you were making a general statement.  But yea, I agree with your last few posts.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: BROJ on May 16, 2008, 05:31:07 pm
Everyone has an agenda.  And I didn't mention a single source, I said "other", implying more than one, unles you were making a general statement.  But yea, I agree with your last few posts.
A general statement.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Daniel Krispin on May 17, 2008, 04:33:38 am
Sad thing in, Constantinople is Istanbul and it was even back in the day. Like Rome before it, people just called Constantinople "The City," except, you know, in Greek. So when people were going "to/in the city" they were "eis ten Polin"
(εις την Πόλιν). Or, in other words, Is-ten-Pol. But that is enough history for now.

THAT'S where Istanbul comes from? That is so neat. I'd not realized that. Thanks for sharing that.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Korro on June 01, 2008, 03:49:52 pm
OOoooh, I hate people who hate stuff just because it's popular.
AH! it has a bunch of fans so it must be lame and overrated!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on June 02, 2008, 10:00:05 am
OOoooh, I hate people who hate stuff just because it's popular.
AH! it has a bunch of fans so it must be lame and overrated!

Some of those people you refer to don't hate it "just because it has a lot of fans".  Some of those people do not like popular stuff because some of it is tailor made to lowest common denominator which usually results in a mind numbingly dull and uninspiring experience.  But I hate people who hate stuff just because it is popular too ...or because it is "cool" to not like it for the sake of being "cool".

I hate spilling coffee.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on June 02, 2008, 05:20:58 pm
I hate how some people think that the "popular" items (art, entertainment, etc) that appeal even to the lowest common denominator must in turn be mind numbingly dull and uninspired.

In turn, I hate how some people think that rarified items that appeal only to the upper class must have intrinsic value for that reason alone.

Supreme cultural value derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical elitist monologue.

However, having said such, I still believe in Sturgeon's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon's_law)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on June 02, 2008, 09:06:42 pm
I hate how when you're about to take an algebra final year exam, and on that specific day you forget your calculator, which in turn was in your bookbag which you're not alowwed to take to school since it's the last week. Idiotic. Especially when your teacher refuses to lend you a classroom one, even though she has a large bucket of the items hidden in a drawer.


Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on June 02, 2008, 09:12:11 pm
I am currently temporarily living in Europe (Scotland) and it has only strengthened some of my opinions concerning American politics.  Particularly those I hate (not to say that Great Britain doesn't have it's share of problems, too).  It's the whole world...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on June 03, 2008, 01:44:36 pm
I hate how some people think that the "popular" items (art, entertainment, etc) that appeal even to the lowest common denominator must in turn be mind numbingly dull and uninspired.
......
However, having said such, I still believe in Sturgeon's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon's_law)

For the record I said some and usually not all and always.  I have satisfied your Sturgeon's Law.

I hate not having any plans to go to Scotland.  Or Europe in general.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on June 03, 2008, 01:49:01 pm
Being my first time in Europe, I love it.  I am far away from the loving embrace of my bonnie lass, but the culture is deeply rooted in history and the country is BEAUTIFUL.

I keep trying to talk about the "28 ___ Later" series and many Scots haven't seen it.

I'm seriously about ready to move here.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on June 03, 2008, 02:29:31 pm
Have you had a wee bit of the local brew yet, Boo? Be sure to let us know how it is.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on June 03, 2008, 08:49:04 pm
I have been going to the pubs every night.  Theres tons of live music here.  And the local brews are seriously awesome.  And the local scotch/whiskey...

The American dollar transferred to English pounds just sucks right now.  A beer costs about 3 pounds (3 pounds = 6.2 dollars).
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on June 03, 2008, 08:57:11 pm
HOLY cow, a $6 beer.  :shock:  That got me thinking about gas prices...we're at just under $4/gallon in the US now, but $4.20+ in the big cities if I read right. I'd be interested in kind what kind of public transportation Scotland has, unless you're driving everywhere and paying up the wazoo for petrol too? Hopefully you're on the correct side of the road however you're getting around, haha.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on June 03, 2008, 09:41:24 pm
Go for it, Boo. Universal healthcare for the masses over in Europe. With Hillary dropping out of the race over here, that's some sort of a pipe dream now.


Oh, Diesel finally hit 5 bucks a gallon in Orlando.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on June 03, 2008, 11:05:17 pm
I don't think Hillary's out of the picture just yet; I'm hoping Obama will offer her the VP slot, though Secretary of Health and Human Services might even be a proper fit in light of your comment, Tact. An Obama/Clinton ticket might leave a bad taste in some people's mouths, but it could go a long way toward healing the divisiveness that many Democrats feel right now.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on June 03, 2008, 11:12:02 pm
I agree. It's almost as if this country could fall though, if we don't become socialist. Not trying to spit out propaganda, but yeah.


Offering Clinton the VP slot would be an amazing choice, though. Talk about a dream team... But think about it; if Mccain is elected, he would most likely die in office. God knows who he would pick to be his Vice president. If a Clinton/Obama leaves a bad taste, then so be it. It's still good for the country in the end.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on June 03, 2008, 11:51:31 pm
I agree. It's almost as if this country could fall though, if we don't become socialist. Not trying to spit out propaganda, but yeah.


Offering Clinton the VP slot would be an amazing choice, though. Talk about a dream team... But think about it; if Mccain is elected, he would most likely die in office. God knows who he would pick to be his Vice president. If a Clinton/Obama leaves a bad taste, then so be it. It's still good for the country in the end.

No...they aren't a dream team at all. Clinton (and McCain) both support the gas tax holiday. That is to say, they both support ignoring experts and doing things that will harm America for no good reason at all. We got enough of that from Bush to last a life time.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on June 04, 2008, 12:28:57 am
NOTE: What follows is not so much a defense of Hillary or (good Entity forbid) McSame*, but rather an appeal to absolute rigor in economic analysis.

Saying that the Gas Tax Holiday would be harmful presumes a sufficiently elastic demand curve, i.e., the curve has a "gradual" as opposed to a "steep" slope. If it's true that demand for gasoline is elastic, the economists are correct in saying that there would be a price spike as people flood into the local Sheetz to fill their tanks.

However, in my experience gasoline is an extremely price-inelastic good. Perfectly inelastic in my own case. A price hike won't stop me from going to work, and a price drop won't make me want to embark on extra trips. That being the case, I would not be tempted to buy more gasoline in the least if price came down, but I'd be damn thankful that price came down. And with no change in quantity consumed, there is no shortatge. Thus, in this idealized scenario I can see the reasoning behind Hillary's and McSame's Gas Tax Holiday plans.

On balance, not all drivers are going to behave like me, and the summer driving season is probably when gasoline consumption is most elastic in the US (though who the heck can afford a vacation nowadays?). In the end, the benefit of a Gas Tax Holiday is highly dependent on consumer psychology. I'm a bit miffed at the fact that the pundits and most economists bandy about the terms "supply" and "demand" without discussing *elasticity.* A fair analysis of the Clinton and McSame plans requires it IMHO.

*I first saw this moniker used by ZeaLitY, and I have a patriotic duty to repeat it ad infinitum. If "flip-flop" defeated John Kerry (and I met people who based their votes on that label), "McSame" might just make a difference as well.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on June 04, 2008, 11:09:56 am
Is economics required for politicians?  It really does not seem like they now the ins and outs of economics...or is that what their "Economic Advisor" is for? 

The price of gasoline determines what kind of car people want to drive.  Does that make gasonline semi-elastic?  I recall hearing that the sale of SUVs would go up when the price of gas would drop .10 a few years back, and then they would drop when the gas would go up again. 
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on June 04, 2008, 11:24:18 am
Faust, you seem to understand economics fairly well so perhaps you could clear up a bit of confusion I have; while the exchange rate from dollar to pound (or dollar to euro) is unfavorable at this point, aren't people still paying roughly the same real-value for the goods? While a single dollar might buy fewer goods than a single pound, don't people getting paid in dollars also receive more dollars in total than those getting paid for the same job but in pounds?

Bah, I've never been able to develop my desired understanding economics; the entire system seems like it is just an Second-Order Idiot Plot (http://www.sfwa.org/writing/turkeycity.html).

Anywho, for the election...

While a "dream team" of Obama and Clinton might heal the Democratic Party, it would make things more difficult in the general election. Republicans hate Clinton about as much as Democrats hate Bush, while a good number of them are at least willing to consider Obama. A Clintonless ticket has a possibility of crossing the party divide.

To be fair, Obama almost needs Hilary for the Latino vote; without it, it is conceivable that he could loose in California (still unlikely, but it does become possible). Of course, in the same turn, it is quite possible that a joint ticket will just turn everyone away; Obama might still not have the Latino vote and he might loose the perceived tolerance from moderate Republicans, and it is possible that even the African American community would feel slightly betrayed by Obama (Clinton didn't endear herself very much). Those are votes that Democrats can't afford to loose. This isn't to say that such people would magically go vote for McCain, but it is just as bad if they stay home. McCain’s biggest challenge in the general election isn't convincing people that he's a good choice for the presidency; it is getting the people who already believe it to actually vote. We saw it in the primaries; Republican voter turnout was incredibly low compared to Democratic turnout. That is the obstacle McCain faces; if Obama alienates too many supporters by taking on Clinton, he may well level the playing field.

Even if Obama does take on Clinton and they win, what sort of vice president would she make? She's been playing first violin for too long to make a good second fiddle; even if she didn't mean too (and I suspect she would mean to), her vice-presidency would steal the thunder from Obama's presidency, making it more likely that he could loose the White House in 2012. Indeed, he might not even loose it to a Republican in 2012. Given the circumstances, the next president will be facing some rather nasty challenges (regardless of if it is Obama or McCain). It is almost certain that the president would make at least one mistake, and the American public isn't as forgiving of honest mistakes as it once was. All Clinton would have to do is be smart enough to take an opposite stance from Obama that one time and she could run for the presidency again in 2012. She'd get a degree of credit for all the successes of the prior term (even if she had nothing to do with them), and she'd stand out from the incumbent by saying "See? I wouldn't have made those mistakes." Of course, that is assuming that Clinton would place her own advancement above the welfare of Obama and the Democratic party. Perhaps I am just cynical, given her various behaviors in the primaries, but I believe such is a fairly safe assumption.

Placid, no, economics isn't required for politicians (actually, there are no technical knowledge requirements). However, while a good president is one who taps advisors, the public perception is quite the opposite. Consider President G.W. Bush; almost no attention is given to the intelligence of his advisors. He's seen as a dim bulb, so his entire presidency is seen similarly. As such, politicians at least need to appear as if they know the "ins and outs" of whatever topic is important. Such an appearance is easy; all a politician has to do, really, is appear to know more than the general public. Given that the general public knows comparitively little about the topics they are concerned about, it is rather easy for a politician to construct such an illusion. Doesn't mean there is substance behind it, however.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on June 04, 2008, 01:11:43 pm
That's an excellent question Thought, and theoretically identical goods should have the same real price. There's actually something called the "Big Mac Index" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_mac_index) that measures the very concept you're wondering about, which is heavily related to purchasing power parity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchasing_power_parity).

The Big Mac Index historically shows that, in fact, people in different countries are not paying the same real prices for identical goods in many cases. I tend to attribute the real price difference to local cultural factors -- the demand for a Big Mac in the US is going to be different from the demand for the same product in other countries. Note that the Wikipedia article shouldn't even mention India, because it's not even on the Big Mac Index list: can't serve beef in a Hindu country (I think?), and it is difficult to compare vegetable burgers or whatever Indian Big Macs are made of to the burgers we chow down here.

Regarding the price of gasoline, yes, it's definitely impacting what people want to drive. General Motors just shut down some plants in Ohio, though their factory in Lordstown, OH, which produces the little Cobalt, is doing wonderfully. Though I don't know what nuclear families with more than three small kids are going to do -- they almost need the SUV or some type of minivan to travel anywhere as a group, unless they constantly hire baby sitters.

Getting back to politics, I fear there are a significant number of Hillary supporters who will choose to remain at home - or even write her name in out of sheer spite - rather than vote for Obama on Election Day. The pundits and the Democratic Party itself shy away from considering this, but it is a very real problem. A large part of this attitude stems from the perception that the media treated Senator Obama as a demigod while practically ignoring Senator Clinton -- an objective review of the media coverage would show that this is clearly not the case (Rev. Wright, anyone?), but the attitude is there, and it is vicious, and it is dangerous. Plus, Hillary did garner a majority of the popular vote in the Democratic contest, and this resurrects shades of Gore v. Bush in 2000. Thus, I continue to feel that the VP slot for Hillary is necessary to heal the very real divisions within the Democratic party right now.

Let nobody be fooled by the 20,000+ crowd Obama drew last night compared to McSame's 200 or so in Louisiana: the future of our country is in serious jeopardy. I worry that the media celebration of Obama's victory will lull those inspired by this wonderful candidate into a sense of security, of certainty that their man will win and nothing can stop him. We must all be willing to donate some time to the Obama campaign, whether that means making calls, doing data entry, or getting on our feet and canvassing on his behalf. For those who are inspired by Obama but prefer not to be affiliated with the Democratic Party, my advice is to buck up and visit your local Democratic campaign headquarters anyway, because this is too effing important. We need to push Obama into the White House, because otherwise we young people are going to find our asses shipped to Iran. I already worry enough that the Bush Administration will launch an airstrike just before Obama takes office, thus forcing Obama to fight another war whether he likes it or not.

EDIT: Actually, now that I've examined some blogs ZeaLitY refers to below and completed my own independent investigation into the matter, I have convinced myself that Hillary did not win the popular vote as she and her campaign officials claim.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on June 04, 2008, 01:22:10 pm
GM is shutting down some operations here in Oshawa, Ontario too (next year I believe)...just saw that in yesterday's paper.  I will be submitting an absentee ballot for Obama, assuming he is up for election.  If McSame gets into office I will go forward with getting Canadian Citizenship and shunning the US.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on June 04, 2008, 02:00:51 pm
I already worry enough that the Bush Administration will launch an airstrike just before Obama takes office, thus forcing Obama to fight another war whether he likes it or not.

That actually reminds me of something that Lincoln wrote on August 23rd, 1864. With it appearing that he'd loose to McClellan, he called together his cabinet and he had them sign a sealed memorandum (to be opened after the election). That memo read:

Quote from: Abraham Lincoln
This morning, as for some days past, it seems exceedingly probably [sic] that this Administration will not be re-elected. Then it will be my duty to so cooperate with the Government President elect, as to save the Union between the Election and the inauguration; as he will have secured his election on such ground that he cannot possibly save it afterwards.

Or, in other words, Lincoln was stating to his advisors that if he wasn't re-elected he would have to win the American Civil War before McClellan took office.

Now, I don't doubt that a good many people would scoff at the comparison between Lincoln and Bush, but some people (presumably President Bush included) do view this "war on terror" as similar to the American Civil War. Thus, my point is that it isn't without precedent that a president would, when defeated, be willing to do anything and everything necessary to finish a war that the same president started and believed was necessary. It isn't far fetched, then, for Bush, if Obama is elected, to believe that he had to take steps to assure victory (or at least continuance) in the war. Nor is it far fetched to think Bush is capable of such a thing.

In short, I think that Faust just might be our resident soothsayer.

Faust, I quite agree that the future is in serious jeopardy. However I must quite disagree that we must be willing to donate time to Obama's campaign. It would be far better for everyone to spend that time becoming politically informed and passionate. That might then lead to people devoting time to Obama's campaign, but that is a side effect of the salvation of the nation, not a necessity to obtain that salvation. I'd claim that a right choice made in ignorance is really a bad choice. There is, of course, the distinct possibility that once informed, an individual might not support Obama, or even support McCain (people do, after all, weight the same information differently). I'd also claim that a bad choice made in knowledge is a better choice than a good choice made in ignorance.

But there is an old saying that might be comforting to some; "God protects the stupid, the foolish, and America." No matter the results of the election, either we'll have the best leader out of the options or we'll have triple the divine protection ;) It's a win/win situation.

Placid, I am curious, what are your feelings on democracy as a form of government? It would appear that you do not like it, as you stated that if your desired outcome is not actualized you plan on leaving the United States.

There have been times that the political decisions of this nation have made me sick, but that is a sign of a healthy democracy! No one can, or should, get their way all the time (if such a "democracy" exists where any single group always gets their way, then that is no longer a democracy). Being in a democracy means that occasionally the government will make choices you don't agree with, indeed, it will occasionally make choices that you think are utterly moronic and stupid. But such is democracy. I would claim that even if the coming presidential election does not come out the way I hope, that is still a desirable thing and I would do well to remain in such a democracy. If you are willing to leave the nation if Obama isn't elected, why should you subject yourself at all to a government that isn't perfectly inline with your political stances? Even if Obama is elected, it would seem like democracy still isn't the government for you. You'll have won this time, but there will be defeats in the future, other times that you'll either have to leave or bow to the will of the people; if you are unwilling to do the latter, why delay on the former?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on June 04, 2008, 02:49:44 pm
It is my sincerest hope and wish that I'm dead wrong about the president's intentions toward Iran. I cannot think of a more ludicrous mistake than to launch an airstrike against a country that's larger than Iraq and Afghanistan combined, when the current size of the US military can't even support those operations. And an airstrike would very likely lead to a ground operation due to Iran's almost-certain retaliation against the airstrike -- hell, I'll stop there because it's too horrible to even think about, and is hopefully the kind of scenario you'd see play out only in a videogame.

True that democracy doesn't necessitate the correct public policy all the time, but there is much to be said for our country's political culture. We seem to have a strange penchant for invading other countries recently, whereas Canada does not.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kebrel on June 04, 2008, 03:16:01 pm
It is my sincerest hope and wish that I'm dead wrong about the president's intentions toward Iran. I cannot think of a more ludicrous mistake than to launch an airstrike against a country that's larger than Iraq and Afghanistan combined, when the current size of the US military can't even support those operations. And an airstrike would very likely lead to a ground operation due to Iran's almost-certain retaliation against the airstrike -- hell, I'll stop there because it's too horrible to even think about, and is hopefully the kind of scenario you'd see play out only in a videogame.
Many people think that another country added to our list would be to much too handle and it maybe, but for another reason the most people think. We have and do use our military in the most efficient way possible. We can move in and clear out a nation, like Iran, in around a month now. The TRUE cost is post war attrition. Number one lesson I learned from Fire Emblem: "ya wanna win a war? Get the consul-men involved."
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on June 04, 2008, 03:22:09 pm
Definitely, good clarification Kebrel.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on June 04, 2008, 03:53:41 pm
That she won the popular vote is also a dubious claim, since it doesn't include caucuses and, in her logic, includes Michigan without giving any of Uncommitted to Obama. The mainstream media seems fearful to point this out, but it's been all over the blogosphere. I wanted to explode when she made this claim in her non-concession speech last night. But, repeat a lie enough times, and it's true, as the Hillaryis44 crowd attest. The electability argument is affected by this, since elections are decided on electoral votes / delegates, and Obama demonstrated superior planning to get delegates. Now, I'm not saying the electoral college is a good thing...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on June 04, 2008, 04:56:19 pm
Okay, ZeaLitY's observation of what the blogosphere is saying about the popular vote is so crucial that I'm going through the CNN election numbers right now and putting together my own spreadsheet. I'll need to look at each State's board of elections tallies as well, knowing of course that official numbers were not even released by some. Since I'm going to be one of the little peons representing the Obama campaign to voters at the grass roots level, it's now my responsibility to put together an argument that helps legitimize his election win in the eyes of local Clinton supporters. It may be weird, perhaps, that a Clinton supporter such as myself would be saddled with such responsibility, but this type of inefficiency is what happens when Obama supporters spend their time getting passionate and informed instead of contacting their local Democratic Party field director to see how they can pitch in  :wink:. At the very least, for the planet's sake, convince your friends and relatives that they need to vote for Obama. Educate them passionately if necessary. BUT GET VOTES OUT FOR OBAMA! My apologies if this sounds intellectually and morally dishonest in some way, but I am motivated by an apocaplyptic vision of what might happen if McSame gets in office.

For those interested, these are the best popular vote numbers I can currently find:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

However, I can't tell for sure what the hell RealPolitics is and is not counting, and how they're estimating what needs estimated. If a simple one-person-one-vote (meaning Caucusgoers and primary-goers are included, with full results in Florida and the lowest-conceivable number of uncommitteds in Michigan counting for Obama) results in an Obama victory, I'll have a slightly easier job this summer.

EDIT: I HAAAAAAAATE the fact that every election info source has its own different tally, and all claim to be 100% counted. How can a democracy function unless citizens have accurate information about how election results turned out? I'm using only information certified by each State's Secretary of State office from now on. Since Obama came out quite short by CNN's count, I'll just go ahead and give him all uncommitteds in Michigan, and an additional 30,000 votes to cover the write-ins, because that's the number I heard during the DNC Rules Committee hearing last Saturday. I'm not quite sure how the Obama bloggers are counting the caucuses. I think the biggest factor required in the Obama popular vote victory is an assumption of 750,000 caucus-goers in the Texas caucus (not to be confused with the Texas primary), and CNN has only 41% of caucus precincts reporting in its records.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on June 04, 2008, 07:05:23 pm
Faust, am I correct in understanding that you're goal is to convince Clinton supporters that Obama truly did win, both in the popular and delegate counts (so as to allay and prevent claims that Obama somehow "stole" the nomination from Clinton, which would in turn alienate her supporters from Obama)?

If so, good luck with that, but I am quite dubious as to how successful such an effort would be. The success rate of changing a democrat's mind when it comes to if someone stole an election isn't very high. There is a very good chance people will still be talking about it in eight years.

If only all democrats (and republicans, and libertarians, and so on, and so forth) would go out and become passionate and informed about politics, you wouldn't even need to try; the facts would speak for themselves. Lies told often enough only become truths when the people they are told to don't bother to find out for themselves ("Trust, but verify"). It is so ill-directed when one person (or even a few people) tries to do something for everyone that everyone should be doing for themselves ;) I'm probably the fool for it, but I'd much rather work on getting people to do it themselves. The entire "teach a man to fish" bit.

... wait a minutes, this is a "stuff I hate" thread. Crap, I am so off topic.

So, um... stuff I hate? Well, people who'll believe anything without checking it out for themselves. Along those same lines, people who will question anything they are told... unless it conforms to their pre-established beliefs, in which case they accept it at face value.

I need to work on that myself, though
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on June 04, 2008, 07:34:31 pm
Whether I'm successful or not, I need to have solid, specific arguments to counter the inevitable anger I will come across as someone promoting Obama in Clinton territory (and thus dangerously close to becoming McSame territory). You might be surprised at how much one tiny fact can persuade a voter -- the fact that Ted Strickland, Ohio's current governor, was endorsed by the NRA came very much in handy on the phones in 2006, for example. And thus I find myself wading through the sheer, utter mess that is election reporting to get to the bottom of whether Obama truly won the popular vote or not. The blogs all report that it is so, but as you say Thought, "Trust, but verify." It is sound advice. Problem is, verification can be so extremely difficult at times -- the opportunity cost of verifying these election results, for example, is becoming ludicrous; no person in their right mind would give up an entire afternoon to sort through the dozens of websites I'm going through right now, which is why crazy campaign peons are needed in the first place.  :P   
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on June 04, 2008, 09:27:19 pm
(http://chaosdigest.com/files/images/bush-mccain-hug-72.jpg)

The most effective visual tool!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on June 04, 2008, 09:59:32 pm
The guy hugging him looks like a little kid who stayed up way too late.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on June 04, 2008, 11:07:18 pm
Faust, beyond the question of whether the gas tax holiday would seriously effect gas prices is the question of how it would effect infrastructure. That money goes to roads and bridges, which as any Minnesotan will tell you, are in desperate need of repair.

As for people with large families, I have little symapthy. SUVs get more dangerous the more people you put in them, and vans are on the whole more efficient than trucks anyway. Not to mention, the last thing we need to be doing, in terms of environmental policy, is breeding faster than replacement rate anywhere in the first world.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on June 05, 2008, 01:53:05 am
First, to save that priceless pic of McSame showing his true colors. *saved*

Second, the gas tax holiday. What separates Senator Clinton and Senator McSame on that issue is Hillary's proposal to siphon off the "windfall profits" of oil companies to replace the funds that would otherwise disappear during the Gas Tax Holiday. This begs the issue of what part of these "windfall profits" are used for investment for more oil exploration; if the government dips into that portion of oil company profits, it could very well be detrimental. However, as long as the amount siphoned off from oil companies does not exceed what they earn beyond worker compensation and re-investment needs, the oil companies will be earning a normal profit -- zero, revenues cover costs. I see no problem whatsoever with this situation from a neoclassical economic standpoint; one of the fundamental purposes of profit in a free market is to entice more suppliers to enter, compete, and capture those profits, and in an industry like American oil, this cannot happen due to enormous startup costs. If the profit has no economic purpose related to increasing production, that profit does not justify its own existence in the first place. It would be much better employed in the enrichment of Minnesota's transportation infrastructure.

Third, the main event. THIS IS IT, FOLKS, A COMPENDIUM EXCLUSIVE! Attached is FW's official report of the popular vote in the Democratic primary contests. It will be no surprise to ZeaLitY that the winner is Obama, but as with the Gas Tax Holiday proposal, we must go far beyond what the blogs and the media are regurgitating and approach the subject with full analysis, so that we may proceed with the Obamafication of America in absolute confidence.

My investigation this afternoon leads me to the understanding that the various Democratic contests can be categorized into three types: Primaries, Literal Caucuses, and Inferred Caucuses. The distinct caucus types were throwing me off for the longest time, and this pro-Obama blog post I was looking at (http://www.jedreport.com/2008/06/hillary-clinton.html) did little to help, being too focused on "ZOMG, Hillary's a LIAR!" to educate me, the neophyte Obama supporter, on the important facts and methodology under which we can claim popular victory for the Illinois Senator, and why we can say that the Hillary camp may, in fact, be in very serious error. Thus I've concocted the following distinctions among the various primary season contests to help myself understand just what the hell's going on:

Primary: An election that may have been closed to Democrats only, open to Democrats and Independents, or open to all voters. The most important aspect of this contest is that it's simple one-person-one-vote, with secret ballots, and results that are officially tabulated.

Literal Caucus: A selection of delegates that takes place in public settings, in which caucusgoers have to convince each other to support favored candidates. These caucuses are apparently small enough in volume that the final positions of all individual caucusgoers can be tabulated. The delegates selected to represent the precincts go on to a State convention at which the "real" pledged delegates for each candidate are selected. These are highlighted in green in the attached spreadsheet.

Inferred Caucus: Like the Literal Caucus in basic methodology, but the participation volume is so damned large, and the situation on the ground so hectic and fast-paced in these, that only the precinct-level delegates, and not the individual caucusgoers, are counted in media tallies. Since we are attempting to calculate the popular vote here, what the hell do we do? I think I've done just as the pro-Obama bloggers have done and inferred a popular vote from the distribution of the precinct-level delegates among the candidates.

Doing this, I arrive at totals that place Obama 158,903 votes ahead of Clinton. All Democratic contests are accounted for to my knowledge, with no silly "let's not count Michigan and/or Florida" scenarios.

Now -- in reporting this figure, I am making a claim that is subject to some measure of intellectual dishonesty. First, Texas' caucus (the second phase of the much-touted "Texas Two-Step") has only 41% of precinct-level delegates reporting, unless someone else here happens to have come across full tallies. In essence, the Texans are taking their sweet old time, and the delay means my report is significantly flawed. Second, fed up with CNN's totally-incomprehensible "Election Center," I turned to Wikipedia for the data, and the Wiki-ites in turn turned to "Unofficial Results" given by each State's Secretary of State office and/or State Democratic parties. In a few cases CNN actually has higher overall vote totals updated well after the Unofficial Results were certified, but in the few cases I examined the extra votes (possibly absentee ballots that had to be hand-counted or something) made near-infinitessimal difference in one or the other candidate's lead. Therefore I am sticking with the Unofficial Results for the sake of convenience. However, I believe there is even greater intellectual dishonesty in not factoring in the Inferred Caucuses at all, and therefore find it better to make a flawed tally that tries to consider everyone who took the time out of their day to participate in these contests than a perfect tally of those most easy to count.

BTW, I gave Obama all the "Uncommitted" votes in Michigan but none of the write-ins, which would add an extra 30,000 to his tally if reports given during the DNC Rules Committee hearing last Saturday are trustworthy.

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Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on June 05, 2008, 02:03:30 am
You could post it as a Kos diary, turning the spreadsheet into one giant screenshot.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on June 05, 2008, 02:10:08 am
If I can't get approval to use it as a talking point in public, I'll definitely post it on the Daily Kos for what it's worth. Heck, I might as well post it there tomorrow anyway. The Compendium is now influencing the campaign for the American presidency, hm, hm, hm. What a strange, sordid crowd of gamers we are.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on June 05, 2008, 02:18:23 am
Heh, I guess it all dates back to Lord J's many posts on the political arena begun in late 2003. The intellectual bar for Compendium general discussion has been kept (relatively) high ever since. Lord J is optimistic about the "I'M VOTING FOR MCCAIN" crowd. I can remember feeling like I at least wanted to say that after the New Hampshire primary...

I hate that many people never even question the purposes of their lives or why they take certain actions.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on June 05, 2008, 10:27:37 am

Placid, I am curious, what are your feelings on democracy as a form of government? It would appear that you do not like it, as you stated that if your desired outcome is not actualized you plan on leaving the United States.

There have been times that the political decisions of this nation have made me sick, but that is a sign of a healthy democracy! No one can, or should, get their way all the time (if such a "democracy" exists where any single group always gets their way, then that is no longer a democracy). Being in a democracy means that occasionally the government will make choices you don't agree with, indeed, it will occasionally make choices that you think are utterly moronic and stupid. But such is democracy. I would claim that even if the coming presidential election does not come out the way I hope, that is still a desirable thing and I would do well to remain in such a democracy. If you are willing to leave the nation if Obama isn't elected, why should you subject yourself at all to a government that isn't perfectly inline with your political stances? Even if Obama is elected, it would seem like democracy still isn't the government for you. You'll have won this time, but there will be defeats in the future, other times that you'll either have to leave or bow to the will of the people; if you are unwilling to do the latter, why delay on the former?

My complaint is not with how democracy works, it is with the mindset of the majority of America.  If they still think that war is what needs to be done, that Iran needs to be dealt with, that Big Brother America needs to invade another country and impose their own views and morals upon them, for the sake of spreading democracy and a better world, then I want nothing to do with the US.  I don't agree with any of that, especially when all these jackasses continue pouring time, effort and money into a lost cause at the determint of their own country.  Sure, democracy is one of, if not the best form of government thus far, but that does not mean it is for everyone.  When was the last time you remember every one, every where agreeing on something?  Probably never, or if so, on something trite.  When it comes to major things like religion, government, education etc it is damn near impossible to get everyone on the same page, in one country, let alone the entire world.  Major changes (like change of government) need to happen for the most part, internally.  Once the people want a change and make it happen, then if they want, they can ask for help from those who have more experience in that arena.  Nobody wants their door kicked down like Jason Statham in "The Transporter" followed by a "things are going to change around here" whether it is for their own good or not.  Getting people to change, by force, is a big waste of time, energy, resources and lives.  So, Democracy itself is not the problem, it is the people that I have a problem with...and since Democracy is the voice of the people, I will know where the people lie on these issues come November. 
Canada is a Democracy and I love living in Canada.  Canadians generally seem to have a different mindset, one that aligns more with my views, which is why I prefer living in Canada vs the US. 

Anyways, I hate the pressure of birthdays, particularly wife birthdays. And I hate how this thread is not a sticky.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on June 05, 2008, 12:20:57 pm
Placid, if I am understanding you correctly, you are essentially stating that your disillusionment (though perhaps displeasure might be a better word) with American democracy is not in the democracy but in the possibility of the majority disagreeing with your perceptions; if such a disagreement between the populous and yourself continues, you are quite willing to relocate yourself to a population group that better matches your views. In short, it seems that it is the degree of conflict between your views and the populous' views that you find so displeasing (and not just that there is a conflict of views).

Is such a correct understanding?

If so, allow me to follow such up with another question. What do you know of the term "bystander"?

I am not referring to the dictionary definition of the word, mind you, but to bystanders as a group of people as they are concerned to violent actions. To an extent, this includes the Bystander Effect, but I am also referring to a larger scale than that. When one talks of genocide, one almost inherent has to talk about three groups of individuals; the perpetrators, the victims, and the bystanders. Bystanders are individuals who witness actions that they are opposed to but are not involved with. Yet, not only are they not involved, they also refuse to get involved. While such individuals are not the perpetrators of a crime, nor are they the victim of that crime, they allow the crime to happen.

Why do I bring this up? I can well understand the frustration you might have over being part of a nation that behaves in a manner that you think it utterly stupid, foolish, and harmful. However, if you do, in fact leave America because of the conflict between your own views and the views of the populous, you are only turning yourself into a bystander. What ever ill follows, you have not washed your hands of it. Rather, you will have allowed those ills to happen.

Evil happens in the world because of the silence of good people.

Now you might think it doesn't matter if you stay in America or not, such ills will happen nonetheless. Perhaps, but you, and people like you, are a mitigating force in the United States. Without you and those like you, the government is free from the restraints that you provide. Those restraints might not be as powerful as you might like, but they are also more restrictive than nothing.

And that takes us back to my original statement. It would appear that you do not like democracy. I say this because without you and those like you, this democracy will fail.

Democracy's strength is not just in everybody agreeing on something but also in everybody disagreeing on, well, everything.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on June 05, 2008, 12:23:04 pm
I hate those "Bland girl who wants to be like the popular girls" movies. And Lagune Beach.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Anacalius on June 05, 2008, 04:18:31 pm
Thought, very well put.




I hate Tidus.  :lol:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on June 05, 2008, 04:42:11 pm
I hate Tidus.  :lol:


Not as much as I hate Vaan.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on June 05, 2008, 05:57:07 pm
I hate Tidus.  :lol:


Not as much as I hate Vaan.

Basch was supposed to be the protagonist over those idiots Vaan and Penelo... I didn't really mind Vaan or Penelo, but considering the change from Basch was done on a whim (and very late into development, too!), I don't get it.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on June 05, 2008, 08:50:28 pm
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Basch was supposed to be the protagonist over those idiots Vaan and Penelo... I didn't really mind Vaan or Penelo, but considering the change from Basch was done on a whim (and very late into development, too!), I don't get it

I never knew that.  I DID know that the game was over halfway done and scrapped, though.  So the Final Fantasy 12 we have is more like Final Fantasy 12.5
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on June 05, 2008, 08:59:16 pm
Damn, it could have been really awesome with more focus on the Basch / Gabranth rivalry. Vaan's position as main character has led me to keep FFXII wrapped until the day when I take a look at the character model data. I do believe Yaz0r/yazoo already made a viewer for FFXII just as he did FFX.

Maybe when we're done with a major Chrono Cross hack five(?) years from now, we can stop over at the Final Fantasy Compendium and show 'em how fan remakes are done.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on June 05, 2008, 09:54:47 pm
I would've loved to see a Basch revolved story. But even so, what if they centered the story around Larsa?


And i'm I the only one who thought Larsa was a girl until AFTER the Lhusu Mines?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: placidchap on June 06, 2008, 12:18:53 pm
Well said Thought.  I actually expected a response along those lines, that I am not part of the solution but part of the problem, that I am running away and ignoring the problems, taking the easy way out.  Well, what you said is quite accurate, to be honest.  I am not an activist or an outspoken person, I am the quiet, ‘good-natured’ person, that votes and plays devil’s advocate with my little brother and his views so he can see “both sides of the fence” (which are aligned with my Dad’s, which is the opposite of my own).  I should probably write some letters to voice my opinion to those in power (in conjunction with my vote).  I still feel that the majority or maybe just the vocal majority of America have views that are different than mine which makes me feel like I am ‘misplaced’ with my residence.  The very least I do is vote, with the last election being my first 18+ actual vote, needless to say, it did not go in my favour.  I tried to not allow the ‘evils’ happen by voting for the guy that I thought would not allow those things to happen.  I would say I do like democracy, as I am glad to go to the polls and express my opinions by voting for those that are aligned to my own.  I would also say that according to how a democracy operates, I am not a bystander in a complete sense, as our democracy works on votes of the population and their elected officials.  I vote, which means I do my part, however small it may be.  Not everyone can be a trailblazing/activist/leader type; I am a follower.  And I am following where my senses lead me, which is to a country where the overall spirit of the society is different than that of my home country.  It may be easier than trying to convert those around to see your point of view, but that is not the kind of person I am.  I live my life, you live yours, there is discussion but I never try to “convert” any one.  Come this election, if the people vote for more of the McSame, I will know that the majority of America wants many things that I do not.  I hope that was somewhat co-herent, as that is not my best trait.

I hate when you cook a dish and it is so good that you want to make more…but you used up all the ingredients.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on June 06, 2008, 01:24:09 pm
You're portraying yourself as an ordinary person, Placid, but extraordinary times call for ordinary people.
Anywho, I'll stop singling you out :)

Hmm... I hate how prevalent logical fallacies are in society and how freely people use things like ad hominem attacks, association fallacies. I also hate how hard it is to detect logical fallacies in one's self.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on June 06, 2008, 11:04:50 pm
I also hate how hard it is to detect logical fallacies in one's self.

That's what thoughtful people with  opposing views are for.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on June 07, 2008, 02:19:36 am
I hate that the DVD I rented of Memoirs of a Geisha is warped towards the outer edge. I want to punish the fucking cretin useless piece of human waste who left the DVD out to be damaged like that. Now I can't finish the movie, but I'm already emotionally invested in it. I could kill that son of a bitch.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kebrel on June 07, 2008, 02:24:18 am
I loved that movie, most movies in the genre all always so bland or sexiest it was great to see something of that caliber. If you really want you can easily get a torrent.   
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on June 07, 2008, 03:47:38 am
It's harder to cry watching it on a computer. There may be a moment that I'm moved to tears, and it will come more easily if I'm in the living room.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Daniel Krispin on June 08, 2008, 03:54:05 am
That I've been trying to figure out for two weeks now whether the physics behind my anti-gravity design is sound. Argh. It's irritating when the numbers and your instinct are all in conflict (that is, the numbers say it should work; my instinct says there's no bloody way something so cool could.) Yes, it's been stressing me out.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on June 09, 2008, 11:00:18 am
That I've been trying to figure out for two weeks now whether the physics behind my anti-gravity design is sound. Argh. It's irritating when the numbers and your instinct are all in conflict (that is, the numbers say it should work; my instinct says there's no bloody way something so cool could.) Yes, it's been stressing me out.

Impressive; I didn't know that you also worked in engineering/physics. Our very own Renaissance Man (suppose that means you are always dressed up when you go to a RenFest).

Quote from: Malcom Reynolds
We have done the impossible, and that makes us mighty.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on June 09, 2008, 11:57:27 am
Wow, Krispin's working on an anti gravity device? Amazing...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Daniel Krispin on June 09, 2008, 03:19:16 pm
Impressive; I didn't know that you also worked in engineering/physics. Our very own Renaissance Man (suppose that means you are always dressed up when you go to a RenFest).

Actually, I am technically an engineer, ya know? My field is Mechanical Engineering... that's what I have my undergrad degree in. BSc MecE '06. Now I'm doing all the Classics stuff, but all my old engineering isn't exactly lost on me. And no I don't dress up or go to Festival type things. Though I do consider myself a Renaissance man, after a fashion or, rather, a polymath. Kinda ambivalent about the Sciences and the Arts... can do both equally, for the most part. Unfortunately makes it rather difficult to stay focussed on one thing, ya know? And that's what I hate for the day: that I have this decided lack of discipline. Argh.

By the way, just so you know, the 'anti-gravity' probably won't work. It's just too simple not to have been tried and dismissed before. And it's not anti-gravity per say, in that it doesn't annul gravity or anything, I guess, but more of a way of getting a sort of internal lift without things like rockets and all. Basically just simple mechanics and dynmanics. But as it could get things to hover etc. without propellors or rockets, it would be neat anyway. I'm trying to build a little concept model. I'll tell you if it works or not.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on June 09, 2008, 03:55:40 pm
Let us know when you've started work on the Telepod, Daniel. :shock:

I'm incredibly interested in your counter-gravity physics theory. Do explain it to us sometime. If it doesn't work in real life, it will probably sound great in fiction.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on June 09, 2008, 04:55:07 pm
[...]and then try art and math and science and anything new[...]

Ah, the Douglas Adams approach. I have seen some art projects that were so horrible as to seemingly bend the laws of time, but none that were so bad as to bend the laws of gravity.

... Though, come to think of it, there have been some poetry that has the uncanny to attract objects when read allowed. Seems to center around rotten fruit, however.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: BROJ on June 09, 2008, 09:30:55 pm
Basically just simple mechanics and dynmanics. But as it could get things to hover etc. without propellors or rockets, it would be neat anyway. I'm trying to build a little concept model. I'll tell you if it works or not.
Are you by chance talking about the 'machines' that take advantage of the electrostatic force to float by passing huge amounts of electricity through thin wires(generating a field) in a balanced construct? I always thought those things were neat.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Daniel Krispin on June 10, 2008, 01:51:16 am
Basically just simple mechanics and dynmanics. But as it could get things to hover etc. without propellors or rockets, it would be neat anyway. I'm trying to build a little concept model. I'll tell you if it works or not.
Are you by chance talking about the 'machines' that take advantage of the electrostatic force to float by passing huge amounts of electricity through thin wires(generating a field) in a balanced construct? I always thought those things were neat.

No, not at all. Heh. A little bit more along the lines of my own expertise, as it were. And I was never all too good at electrical type stuff. If it works... well, I've gotta keep the design to myself in case it does, eh? But if it fails, I'll tell you all what I intended, 'kay?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: BROJ on June 10, 2008, 01:58:44 am
No, not at all. Heh. A little bit more along the lines of my own expertise, as it were. And I was never all too good at electrical type stuff. If it works... well, I've gotta keep the design to myself in case it does, eh? But if it fails, I'll tell you all what I intended, 'kay?
Fair enough. All the same, I wish you success with your endeavor.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kebrel on June 15, 2008, 05:18:38 am
A good bouquet of flowers are so over price it seems...*sigh*
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: nightmare975 on June 15, 2008, 05:39:54 am
I hate how my nose refuses to stop bleeding.

this is like the fifth fucking day,
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kebrel on June 15, 2008, 05:52:24 am
I hate how I found out not all Tomahawks are dull to the touch the hard way.


You better call Mario 'cause you've just been <<1-up'd>>!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: V_Translanka on June 15, 2008, 09:40:22 am
I hate that I can't find a goddamn Awful Fantasy III patch ANYWHERE!!! The mirrors on www.somethingawful.com are fuct too! >_<
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on June 15, 2008, 12:44:49 pm
I hate how everyone expects me to call my deadbeat father on father's day. I'm not going to. Get it through your head.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: V_Translanka on June 15, 2008, 08:04:18 pm
Fight the power! Hallmark can't make you like your dad!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on June 15, 2008, 09:00:06 pm
Fight the power! Hallmark can't make you like your dad!


Damn straight. He can go and sponge off my grandmother and stay the hell out of my life like he's been doing for the past 15 years.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kebrel on June 30, 2008, 02:12:40 am
I can't find anyone else to see WALL*E, and it doesn't seem to be the kind of move to see alone. IT LOOKS SO GOOD!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on June 30, 2008, 02:14:06 am
I saw it... it was great.  Really.  It defies the age association of cinema.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Eternal Myst on June 30, 2008, 08:33:08 am
I hate the pokemon series.
The only one I ever liked was Pokemon red for the GBC.

Now I just hate the series.I wouldn't even put Pokemon D\P on my flashcart.

What the DS needs is a remake of ChronoTrigger.>_>
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on July 01, 2008, 03:44:43 am
Fear.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kebrel on July 01, 2008, 04:53:05 am
...makes sense


unless your talking about the game and then your just crazy.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on July 01, 2008, 07:46:36 am
Welcome back, Zeality!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on July 01, 2008, 04:53:07 pm
Yeah, it was an idyllic vacation. Now the time has come to GRIMMJOW EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on July 01, 2008, 08:40:36 pm
Welcome back, man. Good vacation, then?

Memory arc's over, by the way, you'll be glad to hear.

What I hate at the moment? Obsessively-competitive "no items, Final Destination" Brawl players who refuse to accept anyone except Marth, Ike, Fox, Falco and Wolf as good characters. Especially a particular one who thinks it's okay to spam the cheatirific Marth "infinite grab". Bet he'd be complaining non-stop if a character outside his precious 'high tiers' shit could do the same.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Delta Dragon on July 01, 2008, 10:11:20 pm
Maybe it's just me, but I never liked bad language.  That's probably mainly because my parents have never let me use it.  I can live with it, it's just something I don't like. 
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on July 01, 2008, 10:12:04 pm
Welcome back, man. Good vacation, then?

Memory arc's over, by the way, you'll be glad to hear.

What I hate at the moment? Obsessively-competitive "no items, Final Destination" Brawl players who refuse to accept anyone except Marth, Ike, Fox, Falco and Wolf as good characters. Especially a particular one who thinks it's okay to spam the cheatirific Marth "infinite grab". Bet he'd be complaining non-stop if a character outside his precious 'high tiers' shit could do the same.

I feel ya. What you have to do is show them whose boss; I've trained since the original on the N64 as my own personal sport to the point where I can't find a challenge unless I'm in the finals of a tournament or playing that last battle with 3 computers on Intense Classic mode. Stupid kids spamming the same move over and over again, and also people who can't be flexible with character choices (Falco isn't even that great) just plain pisses me off.

On another note, I hate how everyone on Runescape is a total D-bag.

Maybe it's just me, but I never liked bad language.  That's probably mainly because my parents have never let me use it.  I can live with it, it's just something I don't like. 

That's quite commendable. I really respect people who refrain from obscenities... Just like you, swearing was looked down on quite a bit in my house until I turned fourteen, and my Mom just stopped caring unless there's guests in the house. Personally, I never really got the bad rap that "Curse words" recieved from the general public. I can undersland things like racial slurs and threats, but the words themselves are just part of the English language and I just can't wrap my mind around why everyone is so opposed against swearing.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on July 01, 2008, 10:26:32 pm
Yeah, I trained on the N64 too with Falcon, but I stopped when I realized that the 64's hit detection was just retarded. DK's punch can hit you 2 seconds after it's thrown, and Mario is totally, totally unstoppable with a beam sword. What I'm hearing about Brawl psychos doesn't please me; I have fun with a group of friends as playing Falcon, but imagining a bunch of no-item Fox battles...ugghhh.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on July 01, 2008, 10:59:23 pm
Smash Brothers is a party game. It's meant to be enjoyed casually with friends. The sooner people realize that, the sooner that can start enjoying it for what it is (and have a less frustrating experience with it, to boot)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: x_XTacTX_x on July 01, 2008, 11:05:52 pm
Yeah, I trained on the N64 too with Falcon, but I stopped when I realized that the 64's hit detection was just retarded. DK's punch can hit you 2 seconds after it's thrown, and Mario is totally, totally unstoppable with a beam sword. What I'm hearing about Brawl psychos doesn't please me; I have fun with a group of friends as playing Falcon, but imagining a bunch of no-item Fox battles...ugghhh.

It makes me cringe. The Starfox characters are some of my least used due to the first rule of Fur Faggotry: "You can't Recover".

I've been Maining Link since the N64, Falcon and Kirby became staples in Melee, and Snake, Ike, and Dedede got added to my roster when Brawl came out.

Smash Brothers is a party game. It's meant to be enjoyed casually with friends. The sooner people realize that, the sooner that can start enjoying it for what it is (and have a less frustrating experience with it, to boot)


What? I didn't hear you.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Delta Dragon on July 03, 2008, 01:50:07 pm
I've barely played the original and Brawl, but I own Melee.  Personally I don't really care who people play as.  As long as they don't pick a character just because they're one of the best.  I mainly play as Falco, and occasionally Roy.  But thats not because they're two good characters.  For a while I mained Fox and Marth.  But when I actually got the game, Falco had a better feel than Fox.  And Roy, he's just a lot more fun to play as than Marth.  Not only that, but one of the reasons I played as Marth is because he was a good/cheap character.  The only two things I prefer on Fox over Falco are the gun and the recovery.  I know I might be criticized for using these two, but the reason I use them isn't because they're good, but because I can do well with them.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on September 13, 2009, 05:16:35 am
I think I'm ready to upgrade my sore throat from "frustration" to "hate." =/
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZombieBucky on September 13, 2009, 11:08:36 am
perhaps you could try a nice cup of tea sweetened with honey. that works for me.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on September 13, 2009, 06:29:14 pm
Thank you. That's one of the few home remedies I haven't tried yet, and my dad just suggested it as well. I'm making tea now.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Uboa on September 14, 2009, 03:34:03 am
Sudafed Day and Night were both lifesavers when I had this, or what I believe was this.  Of course, I don't doubt you've hit up the conventional OTC route.  I'm not hippie enough to know any other good home remedies.

Get well!!!  Geez!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on September 14, 2009, 10:58:50 am
Thank you. That's one of the few home remedies I haven't tried yet, and my dad just suggested it as well. I'm making tea now.

Hot whiskey might help, too.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Uboa on September 14, 2009, 03:20:18 pm
Or tequila shots!  I remember tequila actually bringing some relief when I had a sore throat once.  Probably not a good idea before the evening, though.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on September 20, 2009, 04:24:05 am
I don't use the word "hate" lightly but...long-distance relationships suck.  :(
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: KebreI on September 20, 2009, 04:26:03 am
The sex is often better then normal though  :lol:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: IAmSerge on September 20, 2009, 04:35:02 am
this topic is not to happy.  I hate it.  I tend to avoid it.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZaichikArky on September 20, 2009, 05:07:02 am
^ QTF. How dare you necromance it, J!!!!

I actually tend to exaggerate things, but I try not to use the word "hate" because I think it's too strong of a word for most things...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on September 20, 2009, 03:07:53 pm
I vehemently dislike::

Insomnia.
All that crappy faddish vampire shit that every other girl is obsessed with.  There's even a section in Barnes and Noble called "Vampire Fiction".  OMG is it another novel / TV series about hawt vampires / hawt vampires going to high school??  WOW HOW ORIGINAL.
Lame AIM conversations.  Such as::

Person: hi
Me: hey.  how're you doing?
Person: good. you?
Me: i'm doing alright.
Me: so...how's school?
Person: okay.
Me: [trying to make conversation]
Person: [one-word answers]

WHY THE FUCK DID YOU IM ME IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY !?!?  >_<
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Truthordeal on September 20, 2009, 03:52:43 pm
I'm an anti-zeitgeist by virtue, so I hate everything that becomes popular.

High School Musical, Harry Potter, Twilight, Hanson, N-Sync, Hannah Montana, the Jonas Brothers, Avatar: The Last Airbender, and recently, Naruto.

I never saw any of them(with the exception of Naruto), but I know that I hate them. Some people call it having taste, but I know its just me being difficult and anti-social.

EDIT: I learned through conversating on Skype that 4 phrases will get you through almost any boring conversation:

1) I see.
2) Indeed.
3) Heh.
4) Good luck with that.

and a fifth for Ruroken fans that I use frequently: Oro?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on September 20, 2009, 03:58:01 pm
I do like Harry Potter.  I started reading the books when I was about 11.  Other than that, everything on that list is awful.

Things I dislike (or think are completely overrated) that everyone else seems to love::

The Princess Bride.  I get crap for this all the time.  -_-
C.S. Lewis (overrated).
Law & Order: SVU.  Most unrealistic show on television.
Television in general.
American football.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ONSLAUGHT on September 20, 2009, 04:12:45 pm
Generally I don't liek popular stuff.

Naruto I'll admit I liked. Up til a certain someone left(spoiler). Then it got to become very dull, repetitive, not all that unique and I just quit the show somewhere in Naruto VS Orochimaru in Shippuden where he's all "Grr, I'm 4 tails now." I watched that fight then just found it to be lame.

I loved Avatar. Before it became the big hit popular thign though. I'll admit, I probably wouldn't have given it a chance after the popularity set in.

Anyways, I came here to rant bout how I hate those damn links above the tabs that go to shit I never use. Why is it even there?!!!! ARGH!!!! Sometimes I hate sharing a computer. Not being the one who pays for it though keeps me at the strategy. Although I am working at a laptop... Eh... just had to get that off.

I ought to post here more often, but I don't want to feel too negative around here(trust me, I've had people sit me down caus ethey want to hear everything and they always have to stop me, including therapists). I'm a very angry person. I've just spent more recent years turning into joy. Although that may not be good either...
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Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on September 20, 2009, 05:49:06 pm
I try not to use the word "hate" because I think it's too strong of a word for most things...

Me too, actually. But even hatred has its place, and that's how I was feeling about my sore throat last week. This is the thread for unadulterated hatred! Lesser stuff can go in the frustration thread.

I've also been dabbling with creating a thread that isn't encompassed by the love, frustration, or hate threads...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on September 20, 2009, 05:59:02 pm
This is the thread for unadulterated hatred! Lesser stuff can go in the frustration thread.

Unadulterated hatred?  Whoops, I guess everything I've already written on this thread could just as easily go into the frustration thread then, heh.

There needs to be an in-between!  Things that you really, REALLY dislike, but you don't hate and are more than frustrations.  Or maybe this is that thread.

My actual legitimate "hate" list would be a bit more lengthy and a bit more serious than American football and long-distance relationships.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on September 20, 2009, 06:02:31 pm
I don't think the hate thread has been a purist hate thread in the past, so technically I guess you can post whatever you want in here. But, with the frustration thread (which came along later), it seems to make sense to differentiate.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZaichikArky on September 20, 2009, 08:02:43 pm
^ Don't really agree... It doesn't make sense to me to differentiate. But oh well!


Saijainta:
Another person who doesn't like Princess Bride! Wooo! We used to watch it in band all the time and I never got into it and thought that a lot of things about it were quite stupid and over-exaggerated.

Also, I agree with those other tv programs you don't like. I  guess I just like TV in general. I'm kind of a sucker for contest-reality shows. I like Idol, and Project Runway, and Top Model, kind of America's Got Talent, Hell's Kitchen, etc. etc. I'm kind of glad that I don't have cable here because I would just be watching tv for 3 hours a day or more XD;. I'm really into the Discovery Health Channel and TLC so when I go back home, I like to sit and watch that a lot...

Anyway, one thing I dislike a helluva lot: running! I can do other cardio (mostly I like the elliptical), but running and even jogging is just too much for me : (.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: KebreI on September 21, 2009, 07:07:23 am
ZaichikArky and Saijainta I don't understand your taste in movies at all...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on September 21, 2009, 02:06:13 pm
ZaichikArky and Saijainta I don't understand your taste in movies at all...

To each their own, right?  :D  Many people don't understand why I don't like The Princess Bride, and that's all good.  Personally, I don't get why no one seems to have watched Quills or Mirrormask, because those are two of the best movies I have ever seen.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Mr Bekkler on September 21, 2009, 07:20:21 pm
ZaichikArky and Saijainta I don't understand your taste in movies at all...
To each their own, right?  :D  Many people don't understand why I don't like The Princess Bride, and that's all good.  Personally, I don't get why no one seems to have watched Quills or Mirrormask, because those are two of the best movies I have ever seen.
If you like Mirrormask you will like City of Lost Children. It's French, but the visuals are great and the overall story is just as quirky. And Ron Perlman is in it for some reason!
I found Mirrormask to be very Labyrinth 2: Bye Bye Bowie. It kept the essence, and the Jim Henson Production Company, but no Bowie bulge, for which everyone can be thankful!

I hate poorly done actual sequels. Jurassic Park 3, The Matrix 2, Spider Man 3, Son of The Mask, Ace Ventura Jr.

Also, I HATE "reality" television, like all the Flavor of Love knockoffs, the Hills type stuff, and Real World Road Rules type stuff in general.
I love REALITY television, like Planet Earth, Mythbusters, How it's Made, and other mostly no-nonsense type shows that have real substance, rather than petty drama that I have enough of in my own life to never want to see fake versions on camera.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on September 21, 2009, 07:45:58 pm
I hate poorly done actual sequels. Jurassic Park 3, The Matrix 2, Spider Man 3, Son of The Mask, Ace Ventura Jr.

Don't forget X-Men 3!

It's sad because I'd want to buy a DVD boxset of particular movie trilogies (Spider-Man and X-Men being two of these), but I know it gets bad in the last movie, so I'm put off. If it was a "good, bad, good" situation it'd feel okay, but...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: KebreI on September 21, 2009, 08:03:48 pm
ZaichikArky and Saijainta I don't understand your taste in movies at all...
To each their own, right?  :D  Many people don't understand why I don't like The Princess Bride, and that's all good.  Personally, I don't get why no one seems to have watched Quills or Mirrormask, because those are two of the best movies I have ever seen.
If you like Mirrormask you will like City of Lost Children. It's French, but the visuals are great and the overall story is just as quirky. And Ron Perlman is in it for some reason!
Mirrormask was fantastic but defiantly not COLC, even with Perlman in it.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on September 21, 2009, 08:58:48 pm
Yaaaay people have seen Mirrormask.  That warms my heart.

I found Mirrormask to be very Labyrinth 2: Bye Bye Bowie.

:lol:  I almost spit out the food I was chewing when I read that.   :lol:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on September 29, 2009, 12:02:49 am
I hate things like this::

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8279801.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8279801.stm)

I hate that I can't do anything about it.

And I hate that many people can't see how good they have it and how fortunate they are.  Don't people realize that if they can read, have access to clean water, have a bed to sleep in, have a hospital to go to if they are ill, and have the opportunity to attend school for even a year that they are fortunate beyond reason??  Much of the world cannot even lay claim to all of those things.

I'm so sick of people being so damn unaware of how good their lives are by comparison to the vast majority of the world.   :x  It's infuriating.  Just watch the damn news.  Or go to a poorer part of your area.  Etc.

Apologies for the double-posting.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on September 29, 2009, 01:04:15 am
Double posting and thread necromancy are totally fine here with new things to contribute.

I'm also frustrated about that. The "Atlas of Women" book covers a lot of ground in showing just how worse women have it outside Western Europe, Australia, the US & Canada, and much of that relates to conditions like clean drinking water or contraceptive availability. Much more relates to economic exploitation in the name of free trade, and noble ideas about free market development that fail to materialize as MNEs move in and social programs are cut as part of government budget restructuring. I've realized that there are tons of implicit justifications for this. "The West invented the modern world, so it's been on top longer," or outright racism, or cultural superiority, etc. enable a disconnect in properly acknowledging and humanizing other people. I do argue that a lot of culture around the world (and in the US) is counter-productive, like certain ignorant traditions. But the correct action isn't to exploit the culture's adherents and justify it with apparent superiority (like exploiting a clearly unethical tax loophole because "that makes the government fix it, eventually"). The correct action is to educate, develop, and assist.

Feminists have to buck economic systems, religions, cultures, and social traditions, and feminists are increasingly working towards international identification and cooperation. Learning about this and observing it is giving me an even clearer idea of how divided humanity is, and how these divisions are rationalized for all kinds of questionable actions. It's no surprise that feminists are appealing to nascent international law and treaties (like the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women).

Anyway, yeah, Penguin publishes other Atlas books like that, including one called the "State of the World". I imagine they also have fantastic graphs and data on literacy, access to water, crime, etc. internationally, and perhaps they should be required reading at certain levels of education. (Carefully taught, of course, so that students don't assume, "we have it better because we're superior"; even though that may be true in some historical meritorious regards, it's a slippery slope).

It really is distressing how imperialism has been so badly misused. For the record, I'd really love for a civilization based on merit like the US to be able to export its ideas of individual freedoms abroad, and use them to assist other developing peoples. Unfortunately, that's just not what happens, especially today. It's a tragedy that America's potential for being a city on a hill—a place of merit and open discussion on humanity—is so tarnished by politics of fear, the wrong kind of elitism (yes, there is a right kind of elitism), and prejudices from many sources. When America's best citizens celebrate its ideals, and when America's worst subsequently twist, distort, and co-opt them for damnable ends, movements like Islamic fundamentalists find it that much easier to criticize the US and mobilize traditionalists.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: BROJ on September 29, 2009, 11:34:04 am
When people fail to define their terms properly(e.g. saying "that", when one really means "this") or at all(e.g. using acronyms and terms that are undefined to the layperson). It's careless at best, and rude at worst.
In mathematics, there's regulation for this kind of thing; in the world interpersonal communication, not so much. Gah!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: TriforceofEternity on October 01, 2009, 10:30:43 pm
1. This is a small thing to other people but it irkes me very much.   I hate internet help desks that don't help much and just give a robotic response instead of looking into your troubleshooting issues no matter what topic it is.

2: I also hate it when a person reponds to a newcomer with *Just Read The F----g Manual* instead of just pointing a link to the FAQ if there is one for the newcomer question or better yet not reply to the stupid thread at all and save everyone the grief of reading it.        :P           Edit:  I purposly said *Newcomer* instead of *N00B* because *Noob* is just a name call thing.          I can't even type like that slang which I also hate.    (http://www.smileyhut.com/naughty/axe.gif) (http://www.smileyhut.com)

3:I also hate how search functions only show the word instead of the topic if I have a problem and wish to search for an existing thread.

4: I also hate the repeted clicking noise on my computer just now.  Problem solved:   8)  The strange clickiing noise came from the Napster Player after I played a song. :P :oops:   (http://www.smileyhut.com/naughty/axe.gif) (http://www.smileyhut.com)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on October 01, 2009, 10:33:13 pm
4: I also hate the repeted clicking noise on my computer just now.

Depending on what kind of clicking noise it was, that could be a problem with your hard drive or a loose electrical connection inside your computer. (I had a clicking problem for several years that had completely stumped me, until I realized that the connection between the mainboard and my main CD drive was bad.)

In any case, it's a good opportunity to back up your hard drive if you don't have a current backup already.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kara Kazeneko on October 02, 2009, 10:52:52 pm
Something (actually, someone) that I hate currently: My boss.

He is full of epic fail for not only being an asshole and douche A LOT to his employees (like giving me shitty 15 hours a week, etc.), but recently somebody on nightshift quit over some crap - and instead of giving that guy's hours to someone else, he goes and hires a new person! WTF? Like it wasn't retarded enough that he gives more hours to new employees than he does to me and the other folks who've been there longer (I've been there for 3 years, but he treats me like a frikkin n00b). What... a... shitface.  :evil:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Trebuchet on October 03, 2009, 12:19:13 am
I hate THIS. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjDWpUl5JdE)

Ughhhhhhhh.

Viewer discretion advised.
One Piece Dubbed is most certainly the worst English Dub of any anime, ever. Especially considering how good the original is.
ZOLO MY ASS.

And what the hell did they do to Sanji????

Thank God its dead, but ranting is fun when there's nothing else to do.
Except watch One Piece.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on October 07, 2009, 01:44:37 am
I hate Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.  I really hate it.  It's like 10 mental disorders combined into one huge, shitty one.  It's horrible.  I fucking hate it.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on October 07, 2009, 01:48:22 am
=(

I don't know if this will make you feel any better, but I opened a can of pineapple juice today, and so all afternoon I've been having delicious chilled beverages of the tropical variety.

I've never had PTSD, so maybe this is not good advice, but something which has always helped me is to remember, in my occasional moments of misery, that, somewhere out there, plenty of people are having a good time right at that very moment. If I can't, then at least someone can.

Still, I hope you're the one feeling good and knocking back crushed pineapple juice in the near future.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on October 07, 2009, 02:06:16 am
That is good advice and it has helped a little bit in the past regarding depression.  I also remind myself of the billions of people who have it much worse than I do.

Pineapples are delicious.  I'm glad you got to partake in their deliciousness today, and I'm even more glad that you're feeling better!  :)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZombieBucky on October 07, 2009, 07:20:47 pm
i hate uteruses.
why do girls have to have them?
more importantly why do they have to start gushing blood as soon as i start making out with one?
:/
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on October 07, 2009, 07:25:15 pm
more importantly why do they have to start gushing blood as soon as i start making out with one?
:/

A girl, or a uterus?  XD
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Zephira on October 07, 2009, 07:25:40 pm
If it weren't for uteri, you wouldn't be alive. You can still kiss her if she's on her period, but anything else might be.. messy.
More importantly, why do people think gushing blood is a joke? It really is painful, and really a huge drain on energy and motivation.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZombieBucky on October 07, 2009, 07:30:24 pm
see i understand its purpose and that i can still kiss her while shes doing that. and that it is very painful. i for one am quite happy that my penis doesnt bleed monthly in a horrible profuse manner.
... at least not normally.

but the thing is we start and she stops and says 'oh hell naw.'
'what is it?'
'ill be right back.'
she hops out of the car and i can see a little pinkish spot on her jeans.
my only qualm with the organ is that it decides to do that RIGHT THEN. when we're both quite happy and want to celebrate our love.
CELEBRATE I SAY.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on October 07, 2009, 07:32:12 pm
More importantly, why do people think gushing blood is a joke? It really is painful, and really a huge drain on energy and motivation.

Truth.  People who think it's a joke just have no understanding of what it's like.  I have a friend who has cramps that are so bad that in the past she's passed out from the pain.  She has to take super-strong pain medication whenever she gets her period just so she can function.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Zephira on October 07, 2009, 07:38:23 pm
Truth.  People who think it's a joke just have no understanding of what it's like.  I have a friend who has cramps that are so bad that in the past she's passed out from the pain.  She has to take super-strong pain medication whenever she gets her period just so she can function.
I haven't passed out, but I have come close. Menial activities like knitting are a great way to forget about the cramps, but it's nearly impossible to focus on anything more complex than that in the first few days. It's like someone tied weights to my limbs and eyelids and tried to stuff one in my stomach. The pain pills don't help much in that respect; they mask the cramps, but make me really drowsy and lethargic. I would like to just sleep that whole week away, but then I'd never get any project finished.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on October 07, 2009, 07:39:06 pm
Zeph, random (and hopefully non-offensive) curiosity, but do you take supplements around the for-ordained times? My wife used to have the drain on energy and motivation problems until she started doing that.

my only qualm with the organ is that it decides to do that RIGHT THEN. when we're both quite happy and want to celebrate our love.
CELEBRATE I SAY.

Meh, so become vampire-goths, then the blood would be part of the celebration of your dark and blackened love. Problem solved!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Zephira on October 07, 2009, 07:41:00 pm
I probably should, but I'm always too braindead around that time to remember to do so. I learned on a hike that I get really tired if I don't get enough iron, and the period is pretty much synonymous with iron deficiency. I'll have to take some iron supplements or pistachios next time, thanks for reminding me!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ONSLAUGHT on October 07, 2009, 08:02:36 pm
You ought to love the uteri. LOVE THAT BITCH. :P But the pain part, yeah. No fun. No fun at all. :(

As for why I'm here, I hate Chaos in Dissidia. Very much. I get to the bastard about 10 levels stronger than him only to find over half his attacks are undodgable or unblockable. And his attacks are ALL one hit kills. Alright, so finish him fast right? I finally do it. A SECOND PHASE! The exact same as the first except now I'm all drained of confidence and power(both in game and real life). Recently I finally defeated this pain in the ass...only to have a third go around with the asswipe.
Alright then, no problem right? Oh wait, not only am I extremely drained in every manenr both in game and real life, but his third form ALSO is not the same thing as before but the same thing as before except with wider range(guarenting you don't avoid his attacks), does more damage(not grand difference since he kills you in 1-2 hits anyway), and he spams his most lethal attacks much more often.
Top this off with the game not applying physics of I punch him in the face he flinches.
Oh! And did I forget to mention...I forgot. But yeah, that's why i came here.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZombieBucky on October 07, 2009, 08:41:31 pm
iron always helps me when im feeling rather tired. apparently i got the shit end of the stick in terms of genetics, so aside from having shit vision i also have some kind of blood disorder. i guess i dont absorb iron or something liek that.
but it helps me!
mia says that chocolate helps. chocolate, i hear, is very good.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on October 07, 2009, 08:42:44 pm
Cast iron skillet, people! I tells ya...cast iron skillet. You'll get so much iron that you'll have to watch out for magnets.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on October 07, 2009, 11:13:30 pm
iron always helps me when im feeling rather tired. apparently i got the shit end of the stick in terms of genetics, so aside from having shit vision i also have some kind of blood disorder. i guess i dont absorb iron or something liek that.

Anemia?  Or something else?

I'm anemic.  I used to take these huge iron pills.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on October 08, 2009, 09:59:30 am
Cast iron skillet, people! I tells ya...cast iron skillet. You'll get so much iron that you'll have to watch out for magnets.

Speaking of which, I've always been an advocate of mace. Not the pansy spray, mind you, but the medieval kind. Carrying that around will scare a thug shitless before they even approach you.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on October 08, 2009, 12:15:23 pm
Speaking of which, I've always been an advocate of mace. Not the pansy spray, mind you, but the medieval kind. Carrying that around will scare a thug shitless before they even approach you.

HEY NOW.  I carry pepper spray around (not the same as mace, I know).  Don't call me a pansy!  :cry:

In the spirit of the thread, though--I hate that there are shitty people in this world so that others do have to carry around mace / pepper spray / badass medieval maces.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: kingpingu30 on October 08, 2009, 01:00:52 pm
I hate the fact that there are STILL fuckwits who will try to get as much fucking attention as possible by bullying others. Just because their families are fucked up and they have mental problems. That doesn't give them any right to judge and demean people because of a choice. Many years of being bullied makes you hate a lot of stuff. I know from experience... And I hate FUCKING CHAVS!!!!!!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on October 08, 2009, 06:02:24 pm
In the spirit of the thread, though--I hate that there are shitty people in this world so that others do have to carry around mace / pepper spray / badass medieval maces.

This. Underlying all of my other frustrations and anger with human failings is the fact that it creates a world in which so much must be wasted to account for the lowest common denominator. This kind of ties back to what I mentioned in another thread about wishing I could be an anarchist.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on October 08, 2009, 06:35:42 pm
Aye. I've had my own philosophical musings over humanity's lowest common denominator. I don't really hate people--after all I have such optimism for our species--but I hate what many people become. Some of it is inherent weakness in our own species. Some of it is the injustices of society. Some of it is the challenges of civilization. Some of it is just plain old stupidity. But, damn.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on October 08, 2009, 07:18:36 pm
I hate my own selfishness.  I just found out (via Facebook, where else?) that one of my friends is pregnant with twins.  Instead of being happy for her, my first reaction was "That's not fair.  That's not fair.  I just want my daughter back.  That's not fair."  No, it isn't fair...for me to immediately think of myself and not celebrate with others.  I need to stop being so selfish, even if the selfishness is only expressed internally.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on October 08, 2009, 07:49:40 pm
Selfishness is an essential part of living. Our culture is mistaken to call it a weakness in character or dismiss it as inappropriate, because that kind of attitude leads people to deny their own humanity. You had every reason to react exactly the way you did when your friend told you the news of her pregnancy. I think most people would feel the same way, under the circumstances. If your own, personal loss sometimes expresses itself as jealousy when you see the bounty of others...that's okay. It doesn't make you a bad person; it just makes you human. Feeling envious, as you did, doesn't mean that you aren't glad for your friend, and don't wish her the best. Some part of you is very happy for her. But there's another part of you that was deprived of your own motherhood experience. You can't forget that part, and you shouldn't deny it.

Both of these parts of you...are you. In Peter Pan, the faerie Tinkerbell pointed out that faeries are so small that their heads can only hold one thought at a time. I think humans are big enough to have room for several thoughts at once...even if those thoughts are contradictory.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on October 08, 2009, 08:33:42 pm
Yeah. It's a fine line to walk, but there's good selfishness, just as there's good elitism. Selfishness..."why am I not afforded certain experiences?" It can lead to self-improvement and noble action. And it makes for really awesome, sexy anti-heroes and anti-villains.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on October 10, 2009, 12:19:53 am
I was going to post this in the frustration thread, but I realized it's too large for that.

I found out today that I'm going to be booted off my parent's insurance on my next birthday and I'm frankly quite terrified.  I've been on varying psychiatric medication for the past 5 years and they've been pretty much covered by the insurance.  I don't know what I'm going to without them.  I know that sounds like a very stereotypical over-medicated American, but they help me function.  They help with flashbacks, with anxiety, with sleeping, and with depression.  And (oh the irony) I've just discovered the right "mix" of meds only this past year.  >_<

I'm going to see if I can get student insurance from my school, and whether they cover my meds.  If not, I'll have to go shopping for insurance.  I have 4 months to figure this out, which is a good chunk of time.  I just really, REALLY don't want to have to quit taking any of my meds.  I'm sure you know about the horrible withdrawal symptoms that people get when they go off certain medication.  Last summer I stopped taking a certain anti-depressant, and the withdrawal was horrible.  Immense dizziness, tremors, confusion, horrible headaches, constant nervousness.  It was awful.  I do not want to go through that again.  I especially do not want to go through that again while trying to go to school at the same time.

In summation--I hate I'm in this situation and I hate even more that I have to take any kind of medication period.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Mr Bekkler on October 10, 2009, 02:24:26 am
I hate my own selfishness.  I just found out (via Facebook, where else?) that one of my friends is pregnant with twins.  Instead of being happy for her, my first reaction was "That's not fair.  That's not fair.  I just want my daughter back.  That's not fair."  No, it isn't fair...for me to immediately think of myself and not celebrate with others.  I need to stop being so selfish, even if the selfishness is only expressed internally.

You don't need to stop. Selfishness is merely instinct, and instinct is common to everybody. Embrace it, but also be happy for her. You have a right to feel both, even if one feeling comes later than the other.


I do not want to go through that again.  I especially do not want to go through that again while trying to go to school at the same time.

In summation--I hate I'm in this situation and I hate even more that I have to take any kind of medication period.

Whatever you do, don't assume it's going to happen and let it have an effect on your schoolwork. The last thing you want is to have to leave school IF it happens. Going back is harder than going in the first place. This I know.

And plenty of people need medication.  :D  Just don't worry too much, as long as you check all your options, you'll find something that works.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: TriforceofEternity on October 12, 2009, 02:29:11 am
I hate sites like YouTube where nobody helps you when you can't either log in or need to complain about exessive spam in a video comment box...............thing.         

I also hate mods that are robotic like who think their only job is to enforce laws instead of being a true moderator by helping the community grow and showing their *human* side every now and then.     :picardno


I also hate how we don't have a Mr Q emoticon in one of his sarcastic laughing moods right next to the Picardno face.   :(
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Truthordeal on October 12, 2009, 02:05:07 pm
For the video box problem, you can block people who advertise, remove comments and set it so that a) no comments can be posted to your video, or 2) only comments that you approve show up.

Quote from: ToE
I also hate mods that are robotic like who think their only job is to enforce laws instead of being a true moderator by helping the community grow and showing their *human* side every now and then.

Basically, the opposite of the admin team here?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on October 15, 2009, 03:44:58 am
Basically, the opposite of the admin team here?

Yup!  One of the many reasons I like this forum.

Oh, and the video you posted on the "Stuff you LOVE, baby" thread was hilarious.  I never knew about that show until now.  What a shame that they took it off the air.  Thanks for posting it!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: KebreI on October 15, 2009, 02:53:26 pm
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/the-20-best-signs-at-the-national-equality-march/

As much as I agree with the march, I hate all the little kids holding signs because their parent/parents forced them to. Such exploitation, even when its not harmful, pisses me for.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on October 15, 2009, 04:09:38 pm
Yeah? We should hate parents who bring their children to church and indoctrinate them, too. Babies and children are born atheists. But they're shoehorned into religious institutions at infancy by their parents.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Truthordeal on October 15, 2009, 04:36:02 pm
Hahahahaha! I love that. If more gay pride parades were about this rather than ass-less chaps and other flamboyant clothing, I think more would get done.

On some level, I actually agree with Z. Not about going to church being comparable to dragging your child to a gay right's parade, mind you, but more about a certain type of indoctrination involved in both. Of course, I don't think the church thing is on the same level, unless its a hellfire and brimstone, gay's, black's and Jews all go to hell type of situation.

And I'd say that babies are born agnostic rather than atheist. They don't come out of the womb thinking, "Oh boy! God doesn't exist and Richard Dawkins is the best!" Its probably "WTF? Where am I?" Remember, atheism is the outward denial of religious thought, not the absence of it.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: KebreI on October 15, 2009, 04:38:54 pm
Yeah? We should hate parents who bring their children to church and indoctrinate them, too. Babies and children are born atheists. But they're shoehorned into religious institutions at infancy by their parents.
Is that an accusatory tone? Because you know what, I do hate that as well. There 8 years old, don't feed them your bullshit faith and don't use them to get attention at your rallies.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on October 15, 2009, 04:54:49 pm
Nah, it's not accusatory; just impassioned.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Mr Bekkler on October 15, 2009, 07:41:29 pm
While we're on the subject, I hate the American so-called "pledge of allegiance". It's one of the first "speeches" children are coerced into memorizing, before they can understand the meaning of the words they're saying. In fact, I very clearly remember when I first learned it that I thought it was something like
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"Iplejaleejentoodaflag Ofthunitedstatesofmerica. Andtoothreepublic Fourwichisands. Wonationundergod Indibisible for liberteenjustice for all."
I had no idea there were way more words than that. Let alone that I was basically saying "I am ready and willing to die for the U.S. flag." Every day for several years.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on October 15, 2009, 08:01:25 pm
As much as I agree with the march, I hate all the little kids holding signs because their parent/parents forced them to. Such exploitation, even when its not harmful, pisses me for.

Is that an accusatory tone? Because you know what, I do hate that as well. There 8 years old, don't feed them your bullshit faith and don't use them to get attention at your rallies.

The little, little kids might not be able to understand why they're carrying the signs, but I wouldn't doubt that the 8-year-olds do.  8-year-olds are a lot smarter than most people make them out to be, I think.  I had enough wherewithall to turn away from the Christian faith at 9, knowing full well what I was doing.  I don't think it's beyond an 8-year-old or even a 7 or 6-year-old to think that their gay parents should have the right to marry each other.

Yeah? We should hate parents who bring their children to church and indoctrinate them, too. Babies and children are born atheists. But they're shoehorned into religious institutions at infancy by their parents.

I "became" a Christian ("Dear Jesus, please forgive me of my sins") when I was 3 because I was so terrified of going to Hell.  3.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Schala Zeal on October 15, 2009, 08:07:45 pm
- Female circumcision
- Religion
- Corporate America
- Anti-gay laws
- Anti-abortion
- Square Enix's greedy corporate scum
- A certain neighbor of mine
...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on October 15, 2009, 09:32:03 pm
Whaddaya wanna call it J, "Fuck da Pledge"? :lol:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on October 15, 2009, 09:46:53 pm
That's ZeaLitY, not me. I usually prefer to avoid extraneous language in my titles. (And if MsBlack says even one word, there won't be a British Isles come tomorrow!) Besides, in this specific case I'd prefer a more neutral title anyhow. How about "What Are Your Thoughts on the Pledge of Allegiance?"
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on October 15, 2009, 09:54:03 pm
Done!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on October 19, 2009, 03:06:31 pm
And I'd say that babies are born agnostic rather than atheist. They don't come out of the womb thinking, "Oh boy! God doesn't exist and Richard Dawkins is the best!" Its probably "WTF? Where am I?" Remember, atheism is the outward denial of religious thought, not the absence of it.

While I think it's probably more meaningful to think of infants as agnostic (they are without knowledge, after all), atheism doesn't imply a denial of religious thought. An atheist is someone who does not believe there is a god. Some believe there is not a god, but that is not necessarily the same thing. There is a case to be made that infants are atheists (since they don't believe in a god) but I think that they should be considered agnostics, due to the fact that they are without the knowledge to evaluate the issue, or even be aware of it.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on October 19, 2009, 10:13:44 pm
Babies and children are born atheists.

That is tantamount to claiming that infants are also antihumanists and that they are anti-equality and anti-Carthaginian. Even the term "agnostic" is making a little too bold of a claim. Non-theist would be a little closer, though still misleading.

But really, why would you want to identify infants with your particular stance? There is no inherent virtue in a baby’s lack of information or decision. Indeed, if atheists claim that their rejection of belief is the result of intelligent investigation, wouldn’t being connected to “individuals” who notably lack knowledge and critical thinking skills be insulting?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on October 19, 2009, 10:34:58 pm
If a million babies agree with me, then I can't possibly be wrong!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Mr Bekkler on October 19, 2009, 11:23:38 pm
Fucking work computers deleting my long posts makes me not even want to try to speak my mind.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on October 19, 2009, 11:27:47 pm
But really, why would you want to identify infants with your particular stance? There is no inherent virtue in a baby’s lack of information or decision. Indeed, if atheists claim that their rejection of belief is the result of intelligent investigation, wouldn’t being connected to “individuals” who notably lack knowledge and critical thinking skills be insulting?

Because theists assert the opposite. A right child is a religious child. Their families are nuclei of belief. It gives them pause to remind them that a child (and infant) doesn't even know God exists until their parents tell them or take them to church. And a succinct, sharp way of delivering this is to say that babies are born without belief.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on October 20, 2009, 04:02:16 pm
Even the term "agnostic" is making a little too bold of a claim. Non-theist would be a little closer, though still misleading.

I don't think it really makes sense to think of infants in terms of religious beliefs, given that they are without knowledge on the topic. It is true that they are non-theists, but I think it's equally true that they are agnostics. I'm not sure that either is really a meaningful descriptor though.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: KebreI on October 22, 2009, 02:07:31 am
I was going to put this in the frustration thread but this is much more then a frustration. It's is also much more then a hate. Why is it more then a hate? Because is a flaw I posses and I fully recognize it as a problem and actively try and remedy it. Yet I have made no head way.

Out of every insult I have every heard, and I hear a lot, only one hurts. Often I take the "its only a word" stance, but its hypocritical when I do because I can be hurt with a word. Whats worse is its tossed around so lightly and yet when there is true intent behind it the phrase "Stalkerish" or "Creeper" cut so deep I have always been left speechless.

So I am single right now, and was just hanging out with my friend "P" and he introduced me to a few of his friends who are new. I talked with them all and had a good time. Well I meet one of them by chance a few days later and we sit and talk and mutually have a good time. Now she is a beautiful gal so I naturally flirt with her and she reciprocates. Fast foreword a 4 weeks I see her every now and again(work, tutoring, hanging out) So I decide to ask her out she declines due to pre-arranged plans, and I see her at my work two days later I once again. My friend say I should give it another shot, but I am shot down again.

So that's where I stop, she must not be interested, but then every time we do run into each other she is scared to look at me takes long ways around. So I at one point ask whats up and she is scared of me stalking her. I would love to tell her I'm not, I understand that she isn't interested but every time I get called a Stalker I just...well can't do anything and seize up.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: IAmSerge on October 22, 2009, 02:12:18 am
I was going to put this in the frustration thread but this is much more then a frustration. It's is also much more then a hate. Why is it more then a hate? Because is a flaw I posses and I fully recognize it as a problem and actively try and remedy it. Yet I have made no head way.

Out of every insult I have every heard, and I hear a lot, only one hurts. Often I take the "its only a word" stance, but its hypocritical when I do because I can be hurt with a word. Whats worse is its tossed around so lightly and yet when there is true intent behind it the phrase "Stalkerish" or "Creeper" cut so deep I have always been left speechless.

So I am single right now, and was just hanging out with my friend "P" and he introduced me to a few of his friends who are new. I talked with them all and had a good time. Well I meet one of them by chance a few days later and we sit and talk and mutually have a good time. Now she is a beautiful gal so I naturally flirt with her and she reciprocates. Fast foreword a 4 weeks I see her every now and again(work, tutoring, hanging out) So I decide to ask her out she declines due to pre-arranged plans, and I see her at my work two days later I once again. My friend say I should give it another shot, but I am shot down again.

So that's where I stop, she must not be interested, but then every time we do run into each other she is scared to look at me takes long ways around. So I at one point ask whats up and she is scared of me stalking her. I would love to tell her I'm not, I understand that she isn't interested but every time I get called a Stalker I just...well can't do anything and seize up.

mm... thats not a fun situation, my friend
I'm sure you can make it through it, like, by use of your other friends, ya know?

Good luck, friend!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on October 23, 2009, 07:51:57 pm
Someone I know just had a baby.  I know I should be happy for her and yadda yadda but I'm bitter and depressed.  So right now I just hate everything.  Fuck.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ONSLAUGHT on October 26, 2009, 11:03:13 pm
I've said Dissidia before. I thought Chaos was bad...

The story mode's Inward Chaos story segment. Face every character in the game, only the game's mechanics have allowed them to break every rule, all physics(including fantasy physics)and the mode just seems designed to bring up your hopes, get the opponent really weak so you think you've won, and then their sword will magically hit you from all the way across the room and all your effort will be dafted in one fell swoop where they completely destroy you in one hit. You can be Lv 100, the max!
But these guys still despite being 10 levels beneath you will kll you like a nuclear explosion overkilling a stick of butter.

I can't stand it.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on October 27, 2009, 01:04:41 am
I'm put off Free Battle in Dissidia lately because of that. The enemy having godly equipment even at low levels is ridiculous. It's most evident in how you have to work to bring your opponent's Brave down and into Break state, yet the opponent touches you once and you're broken. And this is with equal levels! I'm waiting for some miraculous "oh, all you have to do is..." message from anyone before I bother playing again.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ONSLAUGHT on October 27, 2009, 06:48:28 pm
Yea, today I finally beat Cloud(after over 50 tries)...SE IS AWARE OF FF7'S POPULARITY! When I won, the system shut itself off! A failsafe!

SE: Oh shit! this guy beat Cloud!
But Cloud's the best!
Quick! Reset the game!
Another 50 tries later, I won again.
Then I faced Squall, beat him first try, in under 30 seconds. WTF?

And apparantly these guys can even go above Level 100 despite that being impossible(and breaking the rules further).
I'm managing to push through with passion and rage melded into one forcing me to be so persistent not the gods themselves could make me give up.
But I swear, if they have an uber version of Chaos at the end of this thing...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on October 27, 2009, 06:52:12 pm
I hate zombies. Which is possibly why I enjoy Shawn of the Dead.

I admit it, I'm anti-undeath.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZombieBucky on October 27, 2009, 07:14:19 pm
I hate zombies. Which is possibly why I enjoy Shawn of the Dead.

I admit it, I'm anti-undeath.
i hate common thought. it hurts my brain too much.
 :lol:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Mr Bekkler on October 27, 2009, 07:17:23 pm
I hate zombies. Which is possibly why I enjoy Shawn of the Dead.

I admit it, I'm anti-undeath.

That's too bad. I really thought we had things in common. I'm breaking up with you. You can pick up your stuff on Friday.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZombieBucky on October 27, 2009, 09:23:49 pm
fuck my life.
i have H1N1.
now this would not be a problem if i had something to do during the day.
but i dont.
i cant go to work because ill give it to the people who shop. i cant bake because those who eat my goods will get it. i cant go out and hang out by the lake. i cant do anything but sleep. whats worse is that i have so much inner energy. i want to get up and do something, but either my body wont cooperate or ill make someone else sick.
fuck my life.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on October 27, 2009, 09:28:37 pm
Zombie, there's always the Internet, right? There's got to be some obscure thing you've always wanted to know about, but never had the time to research it. Well, now you do! And maybe while sipping Ginger Ale!

Glad you got checked out though. Do you have any symptoms that you feel distinguish this disease from previous flus you've had?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on October 27, 2009, 09:34:48 pm
Blaaah Zombie, that sucks.  -__-  My apologies.

But!  Now you can...read old posts on the Compendium for...hours at a time.  So it won't look like I'm the only one who does that.  :P
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZombieBucky on October 27, 2009, 11:05:10 pm
well i felt more like shit than normal. i finally went to the doctor and he said it was H1N1. i usually dont get actual flus much. theyre usuall yjust one day things that involve a lot of puking.
the good news in all this is that i probably wont have to go get the shot. i hate shots more than i hate being sick.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ONSLAUGHT on October 27, 2009, 11:29:09 pm
I dunno...
I went to get that shot, I was freaked out, and I didn't even realize he had given me the shot yet when I was screaming at him "Just give me the damn thing and get it over with!"

As for the sickness, sorry to hear that. But on the bright side, you could have something worse! Plenty of things to list! As Faustwolf said, plenty of time to do things you couldn't now, that involve reading! Meditation maybe? Sounds crazy, and people always tell me it never works but to be honest I'm actually at one with myself more than ever when I'm sick cause I get in a state of mind where I meditate like crazy. You could mess with me(my friends love it)and I'm so deep in my own mind I don't even notice.
When it works, the only parts of the day that suck is when you have to eat, use the bathroom, and go to bed. But with bed at least you get in some fun lucid dreaming!
I dunno if that'll help, don't have to try.

Hope you get better soon!
(with all the media only talking about the deaths from 1/100 people with it and those are the people with real suckish immune systems already that'd die from common flu anyways, they haven't really said how long it takes til you get better and it's just done with, like chicken pox...really ought to give that out so people don't panic as much...)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on October 27, 2009, 11:42:36 pm
Meditation maybe?

That's good advice for Zombie--he enjoys meditating.  So there's another something you can do, Zombie!  :)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZombieBucky on October 28, 2009, 04:28:09 pm
Meditation maybe?

That's good advice for Zombie--he enjoys meditating.  So there's another something you can do, Zombie!  :)
yeah i like to just kind of chill out outside. right now though a storm is coming in so i dont want to meditate outside. i dont want to be sick AND cold. but again the good news is now i have time to hone other creative desires.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Battler on October 28, 2009, 06:51:55 pm
People who can't admit be bothered to defend their argument.

Especially when it falls onto the basis of "Well that's just, like, your opinion, maaaaan".

Keep an open mind, discuss and debate things people! It'll broaden your horizons to unimaginable lengths.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ONSLAUGHT on October 28, 2009, 07:43:38 pm
People who can't admit be bothered to defend their argument.

Especially when it falls onto the basis of "Well that's just, like, your opinion, maaaaan".

Keep an open mind, discuss and debate things people! It'll broaden your horizons to unimaginable lengths.

I may often seem like that. But I only avoid IF I want to have fun and debating and such will not be fun in the situation...
Or the majority of the time if the others to debate with aren't bright.

Some of these people I'm surrounded by think you can't get pregnant in a hot tub because of the heat. They complain about police pulling them over when they're  very clearly going around 80 in a 40 zone.

Etc, etc. More often than not I avoid debates and say "That's what you think." because I can't stand the people who'll debate. The ones bright enough to debate that will though are also convinced they're never wrong so I'm discussing something with a brick wall...
This is wen having split personality comes in handy.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on November 02, 2009, 02:44:28 am
I hate the complete lack of justice in the U.S. court system regarding certain things.  It's beyond vile.

I realize that the court system in this country is leaps and bounds ahead of most countries in the world, and so I feel ashamed for even complaining about this...but right now I hate it.  I've hated it since last August.  It is unfair, unfair, unfair.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lakonthegreat on November 02, 2009, 04:36:51 pm
I fucking hate wrecks.


I made an 80 on my RT201 final, so I passed the class.


Then on the way home I was so happy until I ran into the back of a Silverado.

Fuck Silverados, Fuck Verizon (the company the other guy works for), fuck wrecks, and fuck today.  :(
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZombieBucky on November 02, 2009, 08:15:37 pm
i hate sexism and/or religion.
my sisters friend elizabeth came over today. they did homework and the like and i supplied brownies. they were thankful, so i sat and did some research on colleges with clarice at the kitchen table where they ate and did homework and chatted. they were talking about their futures. megan said she wants to be a police chick. elizabeth said she wants to be an elementary school teacher.
noble aspirations.
until i heard what elizabeths plans for child rearing.
even after all the education she receives as an elementary teacher, when she has kids she wants to quit her job and stay at home, cooking and cleaning. she described it as 'the man, his wife, and the children'. i come to find out that elizabeth is highly conservative. megan once told me that she went to a semi-formal dress and actually asked the tailor to pin it up, not down. which is 'strange' for teenage girls. elizabeth firmly believes that this sort of thing (not flaunting her body, generally being subservient to her husband) is 'the right way to do things'.

if i were a girl i would not want this.
i dont even want my girlfriend/fiancee/wife to be like that.
my suspicion is that this attitude towards the 'right' way to handle life has been pounded into this poor girls head through sexist connotations that may or may not be carried by her religion. i had to excuse myself, elst i go on a rampage and destroy her very existence. no one -- i repeat NO ONE -- should have to live or think like that.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 02, 2009, 08:42:29 pm
Most people can be fooled into believing most anything. The question is, can they be fooled out of it? The only alternatives are to let ignorance prevail, or to try and reason with fools.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Truthordeal on November 02, 2009, 08:51:48 pm
Your suspicions aren't completely unfounded, Bucky, however you are approaching this with the wrong attitude. You seem to have the notion that being a stay-at-home mother is a soulless, unfufilling role in life. It isn't. Women do make this choice over having a career every day. If it's what they want, then good for them. I'm sure your sisters are intelligent enough to know what they want and I'm sure that if they change their mind, they'll have the resources they need to do so.

The point of this that really ticks me off is that you think you have the right to make that decision for them. It's not your place to judge them or their ambitions. If you do that, you're no better than the misogynists that say that they shouldn't be allowed to have a career. It isn't your place to decide what is right and wrong for them, and to act like it is defeats the entire point of the feminist movement. And the Jee-man didn't do anything this time, so leave him out of it.

However, to be fair, your thinking is in the right area. Career women in American society are still looked down upon and often face undue burdens. The idea of women as caregivers and men as breadwinners is still extremely prevalent, and people are crushed by it every day. But even that notion is changing, as more women enter the workforce and head their own companies, and more men decide that caring for their children takes precedence over their career. There's more antipathy out there than I care to address in this one post, but that things are changing is enough to give me a sliver of hope.

Bucky, I'm happy that you would embrace a more progressive lifestyle and love life. But do not push that on others at the expense of their individual happiness.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZombieBucky on November 02, 2009, 09:14:39 pm
now its not that just a stay-at-home mother is a soulless unfufilling role. its that this girl wants to get an education, then throw it away when she has children and conform to the way she wants life, which is essentially being property. cook, clean, do the dishes, take care of the kids. a man and his wife and children.
i personally dont think i have the right to decide this for miss elizabeth. i do, however, hope that she reconsiders as i think that her plans for the future are just plain stupid. but who am i to decide that for her? im obviously not her husband so i wont be making that choice for her.
as for the jee-man, miss elizabeth is devoutly christian. i dont know what sect, and i dont really care, but i know that she goes every week to pray in his house and hangs on the preachermans words like they are the only true thing in this world, truer than things that go up will come down. truer than cold making you shiver and hot making you sweat. truer than life itself.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on November 02, 2009, 09:41:47 pm
Here's the thing, Zombie--is it ridiculous of her to think that staying at home is 'the right way to do things' ?  Yes.  But I think it's a little absurd to describe a stay-at-home mother as acting like "property" and insinuate that just because that's what someone wants to do with their life that they are stupid or deluded or wanting to be "property".  It sounds like Elizabeth specifically wants to do these things for the wrong reasons, but that doesn't mean that every woman who wants to be a stay-at-home mother is the same way.

Women can do whatever the hell they want.  If that means getting a degree and working full time, great.  If that means staying at home with their children, great.  What's stupid about that?  It's no more stupid than any other choice they'll make about their own future.

I get pissed off when people think that EVERY woman should work.  Some women genuinely want to stay at home and not work, and it's no one else's business to tell them what they can or can't do.  It's their decision.  Not yours.  Not mine.  Theirs.  Leave their future up to them.  Women have had enough bullshit from people telling them what to do for the past, oh, 30,000 years or so.  It needs to stop.

Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on November 02, 2009, 10:17:16 pm
Don't worry too much Zombie -- unless she marries someone who's incredibly rich, the stay-at-home life is a pipedream in the developed world (at least in the US) anymore. Pooling incomes is now practically the only way to go barring some bizarre frugality. How does she intend to live a decent family life on one income, other than marrying into the upper 5% of the population?

Heck, with Wal-Mart jobs being the norm now, a nuclear family will practically need three to four incomes to function with any kind of decent (read: middle class) living standards. One thing to consider is that she could saddle her children with the responsibility of supporting her and her husband if she doesn't seek employment. Too much time out of the work force will not only cripple, but rather destroy, someone's earning power irrevocably in this hyper-competitive environment (we're basically crippled starting out of the gate now).

On the other hand, Elizabeth is probably looking out for the best interest of the children she intends to have, and religion or not, this is noble. Since the Western economic model relies on two incomes as a matter of fact, we need to foster industries that feature telecommuting and flexible work hours. Nobody said you can't stay at home and work at the same time, doggonit. In fact, it would be best if both parents were home IMO.

We live in an information producing society. We need to learn how to make money without actually producing physical things if we're to survive and maintain our standard of living. What I hate right now is that I don't know how to solve this dilemma, and I'm not sure anyone else does either.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on November 02, 2009, 10:35:10 pm
My wife wants to be a stay at home mom.  She can't wait.  And I just want whatever she wants.

And that, as they say, is that.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on November 02, 2009, 10:39:00 pm
And I just want whatever she wants.

And that, as they say, is that.

Exactly...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZombieBucky on November 02, 2009, 10:52:11 pm
now see honestly i dont have a problem with stay at home moms. if thats what someone wants to do, then fine. my main problem is the way she described her dream future.
a man, his wife, and the children.
this gives me the connotation of the wife just being an object to be held by the man. not 'a husband and wife with their children' or even 'a married man and women and the kids'. no. 'a man, his wife, and the children'.
this is what i hate.
it actually sickens me that she wants to be nothing more than the wife.
not a woman.
not a mother.
a wife.
and she doesnt want her husband to be a husband. she wants him to be a man. not a father, not a dad, not a husband. a man.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: MsBlack on November 03, 2009, 12:10:56 am
So far as I can tell, Zombie went against neither Elizabeth's nor anybody else's right to be a stay-at-home parent; there's a difference between not accepting somebody's choices and not tolerating the choices or accepting their right to make them.

The problem isn't with the idea of a stay-at-home female parent as such; the problem is that, in practice, almost every such parent does so out of ignorance and conditioning that makes her slide into gender roles without a second thought. What I mean is that all but an insignificant minority of stay-at-home mothers are simply following the gender roles they are pressured or forced into, which reinforces these gender roles, usually by just going with the predetermined course of their lives, as opposed to making an active choice.

Even when an active choice is made, it will often be on the same type of grounds as Elizabeth's—on a playing field that's stacked. Sure, it's technically a choice, but it's completely determined and dictated from the start by gender roles—gender roles inextricable from religion, lest we forget. We see the same argument coming up with the burqa, which is a tool for the oppression of women that those same women themselves defend! It’s the same sheer ignorance that causes blind adherence to the same traditions that keep the oppressed being the oppressed.

While it’s obviously stupid to deny women their right to be stay-at-home-parents, it’s very much valid to criticize the idea of stay-at-home mothers into which people like Elizabeth are indoctrinated.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on November 03, 2009, 12:14:57 am
The debate on domestic work is predicated on unjust gender roles. Women have been expected to maintain the house and raise children from antiquity. Any woman who resisted would find herself alone or dead in the past. In modern civilization, there exists the opportunity for women to be their own familial leaders or single people; to have careers, etc. and do the things all of humanity ought to have the freedom to do.

The problem? Men (and a lot of women) still believe in the old gender roles. So whereas a man gets to go to work, then come home and do whatever he wants for a few hours until sleeping, women must go to work, then come home to maintain the house, do the laundry, pay the bills (yes, even if men earn some of the money, most of bill paying is handled by women), get the groceries, take the children to their obligations, raise the children, etc., etc., etc. This is the "second shift" of work for women. And it's unpaid and often thankless. Men defend themselves by claiming their mechanic work and utility work around the house (like building a tree-house, or working on cars) is work, but it doesn't approach the level of work that women must do, and most men enjoy being crafty. Some men also claim defense in that their work is "more important" than house duties; that they're out there making the world go around with their magnificent contributions to civilization, and have thus earned respite at home.

Second wave feminists weren't able to get the victory they desired—a splitting of domestic duties and responsibilities between men and women. For that reason, hiring of maids and domestic workers is now on the rise in today's society. Women, unable to get men to help, have taken to hiring domestic help like nannies or illegal migrants. And this is often an exploitative relationship, etc. etc. etc. But really, as a woman who's expected to maintain the entire house and everything else, how can you have a career at the same time? How can you raise one or more children while being a high-powered businesswoman?

Anyway, the problem is that men need to fucking help around the house and split duties with women. Gender roles can go fuck themselves. I know two women who are bearish on getting married because they know it'll probably be an exploitative domestic relationship like that. They don't want to consign themselves to do all the fucking work in the house just because tradition dictates it. Add a life of that on top of child-rearing and the pain of being a baby factory, and ugh.

Anyway, none of this may apply to Boo, but I had to take the opportunity where I saw it to highlight this injustice. Extra problems come in with the realization that the "second shift" is unpaid work for women. Stay at home moms with many kids might do great work raising children, but they don't have an employer—so there's no pension, benefit plan, insurance break, or even social security for them. It boils down to slavish dependence on the husband.

We are going to fucking change that.

(http://chronofan.com/Zeality/26-2-nl.png) (http://www.unifem.org/)

 :franky
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on November 03, 2009, 12:28:22 am
ZeaLitY's post reminds me of the question of whether stay-at-home parents could/should be paid for what they do. I'm not sure, simply because it's difficult to quantify and apply a payscale to the quality of child rearing and housework, let alone whether it would be just to judge the benefits stay-at-home parents should receive through the children's school performance and so forth.

The easiest answer is probably just to share the domestic workload. I wonder what die-hard traditionalists would say, faced with the choice between a government check to stay-at-home Moms or the Dad pitching in equally inside the house regardless of however hard his workday happens to be.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: nightmare975 on November 03, 2009, 12:39:10 am
My mom wanted to quit her job and be a stay-at-home mom. And she did.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on November 08, 2009, 07:05:48 am
Ako si og puta.
Ako si og butang.
Ako si iya munyeka.
Ako si og ulipon.

Ug gahasain...dili.  DILI.

Patigayong ug pagbaligya...

Ako si og ulipon.

Ako si og puta.
Ako so og butang.
Ako si og ulipong.
Ako si og munyeka...og dulaan.

IYA munyeka.
IYA dulaan.
IYA puta.
IYA butang.
IYA ulipon.

Dulaan...
Ulipong...
Puta...
Butang...

Butang...
Butang...
BUTANG.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on November 08, 2009, 06:52:57 pm
Sajainta, you okay there?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Temporal Knight on November 08, 2009, 07:02:21 pm
If only I could read....whatever that said.

Wow...what was that?

Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on November 09, 2009, 01:10:04 am
Sajainta, you okay there?

I've been better.  I just had a really bad early morning and I needed to vent, and I figured it'd be best if I did it in another language heh.  Thank you for asking.

If only I could read....whatever that said.

Wow...what was that?

I'd be very, VERY surprised if you could read it.  XD  It's Cebuano, which is a language most people haven't even heard of.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on November 09, 2009, 02:23:13 pm
I'd be very, VERY surprised if you could read it.  XD  It's Cebuano, which is a language most people haven't even heard of.

Where is it spoken?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: KebreI on November 09, 2009, 03:08:34 pm
I actually had a friend who could translate part of it it, as she knew Filipino, and read it to me because I was curios. So I got the jist of it... :(
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on November 09, 2009, 05:26:47 pm
Where is it spoken?

South-central Philippines.  I grew up speaking both Cebuano and English.

I actually had a friend who could translate part of it it, as she knew Filipino, and read it to me because I was curios. So I got the jist of it... :(

Ah.  Yeah, I just needed some kind of outlet.

I assume your friend knows Tagalog (I know it's called "Filipino" now)?  There are quite a few similarities between Cebuano and Tagalog.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Mr Bekkler on November 19, 2009, 01:26:04 am
Myself.






Ugh.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZombieBucky on November 19, 2009, 05:26:03 pm
mr bekkler, we love you! whatever is wrong, youll always have us.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: TriforceofEternity on November 19, 2009, 08:46:37 pm
I hate it when people *who are in the right* complain about Big Brother taking over and wish to leave the country but don't realize IT AIN'T BETTER ANYWHERE ELSE! which they are better off toughing it out and fighting for their rights  :o :shock: :picardno     

In fact if anything it's worse in other countries!

Here it's just a bunch of little brothers joining together a little at a time where we at least have a hue of the constitution left where most countries got nothing/zip.

Whatever the government says you do and here we can fight if we are smart enough and play our cards right. :roll:       You can't fight too soon and you can't fight too late.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Trebuchet on November 19, 2009, 08:54:38 pm
Hey Triforce. Canada.

Mr. Bekkler, hating yourself is never a good thing, especially if you're an awesome person.

Watch this and you will instantly feel better. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Mr Bekkler on November 19, 2009, 09:05:36 pm
I feel a little better today. Hate is an overstatement I suppose, but I got dumped and I just have a bad case of the PFMs (Poor Fuckin Me's). Sorry to get all emo on the forums. But hey! I'm like Magus Saj now!
:lol:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on November 19, 2009, 09:21:34 pm
Sorry to get all emo on the forums. But hey! I'm like Magus now!
:lol:

Stop it.  Being emo on the forums is my job!  XD
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Mr Bekkler on November 19, 2009, 09:27:32 pm

Stop it.  Being emo on the forums is my job!  XD

Fixed it:

But hey! I'm like Magus Saj now!
:lol:

:-)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on November 19, 2009, 09:31:37 pm

Stop it.  Being emo on the forums is my job!  XD

Fixed it:

But hey! I'm like Magus Saj now!
:lol:

:-)

:lol:

(As in, I literally laughed out loud.)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Crono666 on November 23, 2009, 03:36:53 am
I hate hearing about Twilight. Everytime I go online I see ads for this movie. Everytime I turn on the radio I hear about this movie. Everytime I walk into a bookstore I see displays for the series.
I want the Twilight crazy to roll over and fucking die!!!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on November 23, 2009, 04:57:52 am
I hate hearing about Twilight. Everytime I go online I see ads for this movie. Everytime I turn on the radio I hear about this movie. Everytime I walk into a bookstore I see displays for the series.
I want the Twilight crazy to roll over and fucking die!!!

You've come to the right place.  Every mention of Twilight on this website that I have seen (which, fortunate, are few and far between) has only been to bash the series.

And don't worry, it's bound to die eventually.  Trends always do.

Just be thankful you aren't a girl and so it's not expected of you to like the series.  Apparently if you don't like Twilight you're just "jealous you could never find a guy like Edward Cullen" (or probably "jelus u culd nevar find a gui lyk EDWARD CULLEN <33333").  My boyfriend could kick Edward's ass, and he's mortal.  He also isn't a stalker or an abusive boyfriend.  He doesn't have sex with me when I'm unconscious and he wouldn't let any children of ours be "betrothed" to pretty much a pedophile.

And he doesn't sparkle.

Edit::  Here are my thoughts on Twilight::

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/bittersunday/2.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/bittersunday/7.gif) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/bittersunday/8-1.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/bittersunday/9-1.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/bittersunday/1-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Trebuchet on November 23, 2009, 01:51:25 pm
Ugh, Twilight.
Don't get me started on Twilight.
It should be outlawed in all 50 states, and territories.

But don't worry, we all hate it (Who have contributed to conversations about it) , as Sajainta said. You've got allies.

(http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr27/Thi5i5MyUniqu3N4m3/Twilight%20Sucks/bumpersticker.jpg)
This pretty much sums it up.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 23, 2009, 02:05:08 pm
Well, my jury is still out, since I haven't read it. But I'm mildly disgusted that this went in the "hate" thread rather than the "frustration" thread. I find it hard to accept that Twilight could merit true hatred from a reasonable person.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: GenesisOne on November 23, 2009, 03:46:35 pm

I think I'll stick with Bram Stoker.

On the plus side, I found this:

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Twilight (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Twilight)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on November 23, 2009, 03:50:17 pm
Well, my jury is still out, since I haven't read it. But I'm mildly disgusted that this went in the "hate" thread rather than the "frustration" thread. I find it hard to accept that Twilight could merit true hatred from a reasonable person.

Oh, it's almost on the hate line.  I read all four books (because I don't like bashing things that I know little about).  It basically glorifies sexism, says that abusive and stalkerish behaviour is alright and "romantic", and has an incredibly horrifically creepy pedophilic undertone--with the adult male werewolves "imprinting" on infant or child human females, who they will then "raise" as a familial figure until they're old enough to start having sex with them.  Because that doesn't sound like child grooming at all.

And it's not only that, but people are PRAISING these books and saying they're good examples to young girls.  It's absurd and disgusting.

If it was just a badly written series of books, that'd be a frustration, but the books being utter filth gift-wrapped and served to young girls (and praised up to high heaven) crosses over the frustration line.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: GenesisOne on November 23, 2009, 03:53:55 pm

They should've called it Why Mormons Shouldn't Write Young Adult Vampire Romance Novels.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Zephira on November 23, 2009, 04:59:05 pm
I am a girl (gasp!) thus I am expected to know every actor who took part in Twilight, and to have a fully fledged thesis on who my favourite Twilight character is, and why. How was I supposed to know that some weirdo in Twilight was the same actor as Cedric Diggory?
I almost feel like punching the next person to bring up Twilight in my presence.

While we're on this topic, I have discovered [u=http://www.cracked.com/blog/why-a-twilight-mmo-would-be-the-most-horrifying-thing-on-earth/]a very reputable article pertinent to this conversation.[/u] It is quite entertaining and very informative.

Sorry to disgust you J, but I did try reading it. I usually really like vampire stories, they're quite fun, but this is just.. no. I suppose it's alright to let people have their fantasies, but please, PLEASE don't force other people to put up with them.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 23, 2009, 05:55:58 pm
I'm not going to force anyone to read something they don't want to read, especially when we're talking about leisure reading. I suppose most people are just faster to hatred than I am. For me, hatred is a very serious category in which to place a thing.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 23, 2009, 06:01:39 pm
Eh, let me add this: My reaction of disgust wouldn't have happened if just one or two people had come along to knock Twilight. Like I said, I never read the series. I don't have anything invested in it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But I notice that when it comes to popular things, there tends to be this knee-jerk reaction of "I hate it!" just because it's popular. I never approve of reactionary judgments, and they do make me sick--at least in an intellectual sense. Maybe some or all of the people here who hate Twilight have made their judgments for valid reasons having nothing to do with the anti-populist backlash, in which case my disgust would be partially or entirely unfounded.

Fair enough?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on November 23, 2009, 06:52:25 pm
But it outdid The Dark Knight's box office record. Surely, enough to warrant hatred? Has your time away from the Alfador Inquisition blunted your capacity for ire?

I'm going to go to hold a candlelight vigil for Batman. You attracted a wonderful audience of all ages, Caped Crusader, but you were nothing against an army of teenage girls who feel comfortable with stalking and extreme gender roles. I've seen the first movie to qualify my own opinion, and it is shit.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on November 23, 2009, 07:09:32 pm
Maybe some or all of the people here who hate Twilight have made their judgments for valid reasons having nothing to do with the anti-populist backlash, in which case my disgust would be partially or entirely unfounded.

Fair enough?

Fair.  The "It's popular, so it must be rubbish" mentality annoys me too.  But I don't dislike Twilight because it's popular or because of its rabid fans--I dislike it because I find its message to be sickening.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on November 23, 2009, 09:24:36 pm
Damn though, did you guys and gals see that the 17-year-old dude who plays the main werewolf in New Moon was some kind of world extreme karate champion at age 11 or something? I think his name's Taylor Lautner? Seeing some of the posters advertising that movie makes me think: I want abs like that.

Twilight, or at least New Moon is interesting to me because now, it's buff men who are totally being put in the centerfold (although there's that one PETA ad where Kristen Stewart is going "furless"), and I've discovered that in my case at least, there really is a psychological impact on Joe Six Pack...I mean, I know I can't compete with that. And I feel just a bit ashamed for that fact (not really really ridiculously ashamed, but just a little). Is this what women have felt about the female models plastered all over magazines all this time?

And on top of that is the question as to how much of the Taylor Lautner's figure in the ads is really human, and how much is CG generated. (Excluding any images where he's actually shown as a werewolf or anything).

I see New Moon as a test case in the theory that as women acquire more money in mainstream capitalist society, men will be objectified more and more, until it gets to the point that men and women are equally objectified once there's a 50/50 split in total income share. Even though there are ultimarely some feminist undertones to be found in The Mighty Buck's ability to turn every conceivable thing into a tradable object, I'm still concerned that the most widespread discourse on the human body and its desirability takes place in images that are traded for cash.

In the meantime...anyone know of doctors who specialize in "ab enhancement surgery"?

>.>
<.<

EDIT: Now that I've read some of the stalking and potential pedophilic glorification apparently apparent in the Twilight series I'm disturbed (I haven't read the novels, nor seen the movies though, so I'll take everyone's word for it). But I suppose you can take it as a societal anecdote that I felt there were psychological pressures placed on men as a result of New Moon's marketing campaign.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZombieBucky on November 23, 2009, 09:33:10 pm
ugh twilight. megan is obsessed with it. when i tell her that its sexist trash she starts saying that im just jealous im not that hawt.
i might be, but im not jealous that i dont sparkle.
the general theme of women being inferior to men and having to keep in their 'roles' else they be horribly injured is disgusting. the only thing i can say to twilight is this:
poor bram.
poor poor bram.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on November 23, 2009, 09:38:17 pm
I'm really interested in how Twilight thematically reinforces male-dominant sexism now, as someone who's never seen nor read it! I think I'm going to research this a bit; do you all think it's popular because it masks male-dominated sexism with images of hawt male bods (thus causing the female fans to overlook said sexism), or does it play on some kind of expectations the female readers already have regarding female and male behavior?

People can feel free to move any answers into the Fuck Sexism thread.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on November 24, 2009, 12:57:03 am
I'm too disgusted to even remotely want to venture into an expanded feminist criticism, but the short version is, women in Twilight are helpless. Men possess all the power and mark who they want. Easy to see how this view would come from a member of the Mormon Church (or any Christian sect, for that matter).
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: GenesisOne on November 24, 2009, 01:49:00 am

Except for the girls who are already vampires, women in Twilight are the archetypal Damsel in Distress.

Such a concept was cute before the 20th century, but times have changed.  Feminism has risen, and this novel to me is a bit of a step backwards.

Stephen King even admitted she couldn't write worth a damn.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on November 24, 2009, 12:56:40 pm
Saj, I am curious then as to how you feel about the sexist themes in Dracula. Is it more acceptable for teenagers to read that since it has the excuse of being written in a different era with different sensibilities?

Certainly, there are sexist themes in Twilight, but I wonder if there might be more. Having not read the books myself, I can't say how non-fancy-pants people in the text are generally treated (for example, is the damsel in distress ever a mundane male), but it would seem like issues similar to this are present in other, less-distasteful, cultural sources. Consider the superhero world in general: when compared to Superman, the Green Lantern, The Shadow, or Darkwing Duck, the average person in general is relegated to the damsel in distress role. If the only regular person interacting with these superpeople happens to be female, then that would give the appearance of sexism. Thus, is the protagonist of Twilight the damsel in distress because she is a she, or is it because she is mundane?

To offer an illustration of what I am trying to get at, there was an old Darkwing Duck episode called the Planet of the Capes. The premise was that there existed an alien world full of superheroes and that they needed an "ordinary guy" to rescue. In that episode the "ordinary guy" was male, but what if they had been female? It would have given the appearance of a culture entirely focused on the saving of the helpless woman. The reality, however, would have been that the culture was focused on the extraordinary saving the mundane; sex could have been a non-issue.

Might that, then, be the theme of Twilight? The protagonist enters a world of demigods, essentially; being the eternal "damsel in distress" would have been the default of the character even if she was male.

There is something about Twilight that is connecting with a lot more than just teenage girls. To outdo The Dark Knight, I can assure you that a lot more than that single group went to see it. Teenage guys went, middle-age adults of both sexes went, and the elderly as well (I am told that there are "twi-cougars"). Some element in the story, trashy though the trappings of it may be, connects with the reader on a powerful level. I am thus proposing that this element is the desire for the mundane to be connected to the extraordinary.

I propose this because we see it in far more than just Twilight. Part of what made Harry Potter so enchanting was the idea that there was a fantastical world right around the corner that anyone could suddenly bump into. The Matrix also played into this theme, as does Transformers, and even many of Miazaki's films!

There is, however, a difference between how Twilight handles this and how others do. The Wizarding World in Harry Potter doesn't replace the mundane world, it coexists with it. Muggles might only really have the role of the damsel in distress when they make an appearance, but the fantastical doesn’t seek to push it out. In Transformers, the fantastical world fights to protect the mundane world and, on occasion, the mundane can save the fantastical. In the Matrix, the mundane world is at once both a lie and something to aspire to (that is, a world where one isn’t fighting evil robotic overlords). In Miazaki's works often the fantastical serves as a device for discovering the mundane. Twilight, on the other hand, seems to utterly reject the mundane. Once the protagonist is exposed to the fantastical world of sparklies, she is addicted and, like a crack addict, will go back again and again until it consumes her. The mundane has no place in the world of Twilight; it appears to be a story of spiraling addiction.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: KebreI on November 24, 2009, 05:45:52 pm
There is something about Twilight that is connecting with a lot more than just teenage girls. To outdo The Dark Knight, I can assure you that a lot more than that single group went to see it. Teenage guys went, middle-age adults of both sexes went, and the elderly as well (I am told that there are "twi-cougars"). Some element in the story, trashy though the trappings of it may be, connects with the reader on a powerful level. I am thus proposing that this element is the desire for the mundane to be connected to the extraordinary.
It had the Titanic effect, it was a perfect date movie.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 24, 2009, 06:19:28 pm
It had the Titanic effect, it was a perfect date movie.

That seems a bit dismissive. In any case, it's also wrong, since roughly 80 percent of the audiences have been female. In that context, your comment brings back to my mind my whole "hate it because it's popular" problem. As far as strong distaste goes, I've had a much bigger problem with movies that were mostly or entirely male-driven, and yet their never brought the backlash that Twilight's success has brought. Is it because Twilight is so much vastly worse than all of them? That's an incredible long-shot, in my view.

We know that both the traditional media and the blogosphere are heavily male-dominated, guaranteeing that male reactions to anything in pop culture will be disproportionately represented. I wonder: If one went out and counted the sex of all the people complaining about the movie, would one end up with an 80 percent female ratio or even close to it? I very much doubt it. I suspect the outright majority of this backlash is male-driven. Your comment provides an insight into part of why that may be. Twilight, you say, is the so-called "perfect date movie"...except it's not. The demographics are extraordinarily unusual in that regard. Maybe some of those males in the 20 percent were on dates and had no interest in the movie themselves, but, even if all of them were, their receipts alone would not have made this a blockbuster or even half of a blockbuster (assuming their female dates made up the other half). The very phrase "date movie" implies a certain contempt in the same vein as "chick flick," a movie that is somehow unworthy of proper audiences and instead suited only for, ahem, the womenfolk. The perspective in that kind of language is unabashedly masculine, as so much of our cultural language inevitably is. One of the problems with misogyny in our society is that males disproportionately are sorer losers and more jealous--or at least are much more vocal about it--when they are excluded from big things dominated by the other sex. They tend to become dismissive, spiteful, even malicious.

None of this accounts for the female backlash to Twilight, but that's not much of a question mark: If a movie, coming from a vastly popular book series, suddenly became the third best opening-grossing blockbuster of all time, and was 80 percent female in its receipts--which boggles the mind so much that I have newfound skepticism for the methodological reliability of the box office sex estimation statistics we've been fed all these years--then, by sheer popularity, then it would be a matter of simple numbers that there would be a much, much larger female backlash as well...large enough to mask any female component to the whole sexist factor in these equations, which is disappointing.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: KebreI on November 24, 2009, 09:06:17 pm
If you think its wrong because that 80% women attended, then later you state (and I agree) that the numbers can't be trusted I can't help but laugh. Also of the ethics and attitude of a date movie?!? I'll just laugh once more. At a date movie the purpose is to submerse your self in the movies romantic atmosphere, and romance is one of the most sexist acts on this planet.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on November 24, 2009, 09:29:11 pm
...and romance is one of the most sexist acts on this planet.

I guess that depends on how you define "romance."  I certainly don't think it is sexist.  But "romance" to me goes both ways, it isn't just things D does to be romantic--I try to be romantic as well.

What about romance do you think is sexist?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 24, 2009, 09:59:46 pm
If you think its wrong because that 80% women attended, then later you state (and I agree) that the numbers can't be trusted I can't help but laugh.

The difference here is that you disagree with the methodology because you don't like the conclusions in this case, whereas I am skeptical because the conclusions are so unprecedented. In practical terms, I don't doubt that the demographics for Twilight have been completely out of the ordinary. I'm not disputing that; I'm skeptical of the degree. The numbers are almost certainly in the right direction: This movie has been attended overwhelmingly by females. You, on the other hand, seem not to want to accept that conclusion at all, because it would undermine your "date movie" theory. Given how little you thought you put into your theory, I doubt it would be a good use of your time to try and defend it when your defense would require proving or at least strongly suggesting that the demographics measurements have been totally wrong.

Also of the ethics and attitude of a date movie?!? I'll just laugh once more. At a date movie the purpose is to submerse your self in the movies romantic atmosphere, and romance is one of the most sexist acts on this planet.

I'm not sure what I said that drove this response out of you, but I am sure that I have no idea what the devil you're talking about. Unless you're confusing "romance" with the romance genre, that is...in which case you're...well...confused. =P
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: GenesisOne on November 24, 2009, 10:55:56 pm
Deviating from the romance concept...

I'm not so much interested in the dynamics of this romance film (and the friction is causes on message forums like this one), but more interested in how audience expectations differentiates between box office gross and overall reviews of the film in question.

How much does the film-going public know about what makes a decent movie?  A lot?  A little?

Do they know what they're paying for?  Adaptations have always been a safe bet with executive producers nowadays (calling them Pre-Sold Franchises) because of their built-in fan base.  Even so, there are only so many fans for the series.

Box office numbers are a strong indicator of the film's popularity, but a weak indicator of the quality of the movie overall.  There are reasons that critics may not like a movie, but in the case of New Moon, the critics here were "turned off by its slow pace, relentlessly downcast tone, and excessive length." (Courtesy of Rotten Tomatoes)

To me, box officer numbers haven't always been a reliable measurement for the quality of the movie.  For example, Transformers 2 was critically panned, yet look how well it fared in the box office.  This just translates to the theory that movie-goers simply don't care as much as they should about dynamic characters, an amazing story, titillating dialogue, emotional content, etc.  

It is my belief that as long as there's a rigidly formulaic, premise-exploiting popcorn flick out there, people will forgo the elements that constitute a half-decent film as long as they're instantly gratified, while the producers laugh all the way to the bank off the easily-stimulated minds of their audiences.

Check out Roger Ebert's review of New Moon here.  Simply delightful:

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091118/REVIEWS/911199998 (http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091118/REVIEWS/911199998)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 24, 2009, 11:13:15 pm
Genesis, I think we can sum it up with "Popularity and quality are not the same thing."
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: GenesisOne on November 24, 2009, 11:16:35 pm

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Especially if it's a live-action Disney film.

Yet another example of a formulaic, premise-exploiting star vehicle.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on November 25, 2009, 12:32:21 am
Genesis, I think we can sum it up with "Popularity and quality are not the same thing."

Yet curiously the two seldom are entirely divorced. Indeed, the great works of literature survive because they are popular.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 25, 2009, 12:44:33 am
Genesis, I think we can sum it up with "Popularity and quality are not the same thing."

Yet curiously the two seldom are entirely divorced. Indeed, the great works of literature survive because they are popular.

At least some of them are popular simply because they survived. O, snap!

Yeah, nobody was suggesting that popularity and quality are mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on November 25, 2009, 11:02:58 am
Yeah, nobody was suggesting that popularity and quality are mutually exclusive.

No one here is claiming that, true, but others elsewhere essentially do. You actually were the one who touched upon the topic first, which sparked my own comment in time:

But I notice that when it comes to popular things, there tends to be this knee-jerk reaction of "I hate it!" just because it's popular.

That reaction is usually accompanied by another belief, that of "if its unpopular, it's cool!" Both of these actually tie into the same underlying trend in western society (individualism) and are essentially flip sides of the same coin. If heads was addressed, why not tails?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 25, 2009, 02:34:35 pm
Tails ought not to be discussed in decent company, you hippie.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on November 25, 2009, 02:40:13 pm
Tails ought not to be discussed in decent company, you hippie.

mmm... pie
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: MagilsugaM on December 01, 2009, 09:54:05 pm
I vehemently dislike::

Insomnia.
All that crappy faddish vampire shit that every other girl is obsessed with.  There's even a section in Barnes and Noble called "Vampire Fiction".  OMG is it another novel / TV series about hawt vampires / hawt vampires going to high school??  WOW HOW ORIGINAL.
Lame AIM conversations.  Such as::

Person: hi
Me: hey.  how're you doing?
Person: good. you?
Me: i'm doing alright.
Me: so...how's school?
Person: okay.
Me: [trying to make conversation]
Person: [one-word answers]

WHY THE FUCK DID YOU IM ME IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY !?!?  >_<

LOLOLOLOLOLOL THAT'S SO DAMN TRUE!! I talk to people and they jsut have one word answers... Or if they say something to me same thing happens...

Then there are the girls that talk to you fine and suddenly want to get rid of you on MSN... Is just plain bullshit.

There was this girl from school I use to talk to on msn  and she suddenly disappears on holidays.

I hate when people are not honest about what they think about you yet try to be nice. It's easier to get rid of a person if you don't f#cking talk to them most of the damn time!!

I also hate when they don't block you but they go appear offline so they don't need to talk to you, then they say that they just haven't been online lately.
It really pisses me off when people are just assholes like that. Is even worse when they are friends you hang out with on school most of the time. I always help most people and talk to them. As long as they talk to me. Yet is stupid all the things that happen.

What the hell is wrong with humans? Why are we so damn complicated and not understandable?
Because of that I decided to study psychology at school and I started to understand a bit more and analyze people using their life experiences and what I know about them.
It all makes sense now... I believe in Freud, it all has to do with child traumas, yet psychologist now think that they have to solve the problem now and not tracking down those problems.


Who doesn't hate everything I said?
It's all true and so I don't hate my life, I just hate the way humanity has destroyed our only world which is the only one we have and then we see all the politics assholes who don't even know a shit about climate change and science and we use them to make our day to day decitions that could change our own fate. When I was 14 I would have a better ability and understanding them those incompetent people.
I would indeed be a politician but my fear is that i would become corrupt...

Well that's all I hate for now. ahahha!! LOLOLOL Yet I am like magus... If he has to die he must simply laugh!! LAUGH!
Laugh is a wasted emotions a combination of all those things you can't show to people. I hate that as well.

Well that's all folks!

PD: Ignore the laugh thingy I was being sarcastic....
And yeah i hate that people in here (australia) know less about their own language than I do.



Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on December 07, 2009, 04:44:23 pm
Well.

I just found out that one of my friends was sexually assaulted last year.

I hope the person who did it suffers immensely.

I hate this I hate this I hate this.

I can't comprehend sexual assault.  I can't.  I understand that there can be an understandable reason behind murder.  I understand that there can be an understandable reason behind theft.  I understand that there can be an understandable reason behind physically striking someone.

But not sexual abuse.  There is absolutely no justification for it.  There is NO justification or understandable reason behind sexually abusing a college student.  There is NO justification or understandable reason behind raping a 9 year old child.  Ugh.

I hate rapists.  I hate pedophiles.  I hate this.

I hate humanity.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: GenesisOne on December 07, 2009, 05:47:00 pm
I hate humanity.

That's a very defeatist attitude toward mankind in general.

Even so, I am very, very sorry about what your friend suffered through.  It angers me know that some men outright refuse to express any emotion above the waist.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on December 07, 2009, 07:45:23 pm
That's a very defeatist attitude toward mankind in general.

Personally, I think it's well-deserved.  I know I'm a bitter, cynical misanthrope.  If other people have faith and hope in humanity or believe that humans can eventually overcome their collective selfishness and cruelty, then awesome.  As for me, I don't agree.  I haven't for most of my life, and I don't think my mind will ever change.  I hate to pull the "If you knew me, you might understand." card, but I feel it applies.  People who do know me aren't very surprised and have said it's completely understandable that I greatly dislike, distrust, and fear humans as a collective whole.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZombieBucky on December 07, 2009, 07:48:14 pm
i hate to pour salt in this wound, sai, but you should smack her for not going forward when there was still dna in her. that way they could have more of a chance to find this sicko. not to be mean or anything, but yeah.
i agree. people are sick. but they arent always like that. when we see something horrific, we think of the bad part of humanity. but when we need to go forward, we need to think of the good parts of humanity. when we cant see that anymore, were hopeless.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Temporal Knight on December 07, 2009, 07:54:42 pm
Such a shame, that is, Sajainta....but I would like to make a statement, even if it might not help at all. It is my own personal opinion on that matter.

It is not humanity that you must hate, but rather the darker side of it. The side that dwells within the world of which we call today. As the centuries have passed, mankind has grown more ignorant and selfish. It is beyond true that such dishonorable people have existed through all of time, but the aspects of honor and respect for all beings, human and animal, has well since dispatched. However, it is not what you see from the darker, more depressing side of humanity and the world around us that should fuel you, but rather the urge to change those around you by being one in the handful of souls that are well off in life, those that respect and follow such ways of honor. Only then will people realize what is right, and what is wrong...even if it does take hundreds...thousands...even millions of years.

But never dishonor dishonor with more dishonor. Only that leads to more corruptness. That only spreads such slanderous ways across the world that we attempt to thrive on. Rather, treat dishonor with respect by spreading the ways of honor.

Never back down from humanity. Teach it a lesson of goodness, and influence those around you to change as well. For the better. Even with the strongest amounts of fear, we must use that and channel it into strength for us to barrel through the rumbling road that is life, and attempt to form a future worth while.

Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on December 07, 2009, 07:55:57 pm
i hate to pour salt in this wound, sai, but you should smack her for not going forward when there was still dna in her. that way they could have more of a chance to find this sicko. not to be mean or anything, but yeah.

I'll try and say this as politely as possible.

I really, really hope that you never meet someone who has been assaulted and say that to them.  Maybe you don't know how awful it sounds, but yes it sounds mean.  It sounds like victim blaming.

Unlike other crimes like theft or fraud or whatever, you as the victim are not scrutinized and blamed.  People don't say things to you like "Well, if you hadn't been wearing your fancy shoes outside of the house, you wouldn't have gotten robbed."  People don't think you're a slut or a whore or somehow "asking for it" if you got beaten up.  Jesus Christ, I could go on and on.

It is insanely, INSANELY emotionally difficult to go forward to the police after you've been sexually assaulted, and someone that doesn't should not be "smacked around".  They are not stupid or pathetic or weak for not going to the police.  They are scared, they are afraid they will not be believed, they are ashamed, and they are fearful of the kind of response you gave--insinuating that they are somehow at fault.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on December 07, 2009, 07:57:34 pm
As the centuries have passed, mankind has grown more ignorant and selfish.

What would lead you to believe that?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on December 07, 2009, 08:01:46 pm
My wife and I have been married since July 2008 and we had yet to break any of our dishware (plates, bowls, etc)... That day came today.  17(ish) months with no broken dishware isn't that bad, actually!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Temporal Knight on December 07, 2009, 08:06:37 pm
As the centuries have passed, mankind has grown more ignorant and selfish.

What would lead you to believe that?

*chuckles*...Forgive me for stating the obvious, but that wasn't necessarily the point in my statement.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on December 07, 2009, 08:09:17 pm
*chuckles*...Forgive me for stating the obvious, but that wasn't necessarily the point in my statement.

I gathered as much, but that's a pretty big statement to make and I was wondering how you can rationalize it.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Temporal Knight on December 07, 2009, 08:20:14 pm
The matter is not of rationalization, but of understanding the difference between people, and the choices people have made in their lives. That is what twists humanity. That is what destroys us, and those around us.

But, to rationalize it, I suppose, would take some effort to say that as time has passed, certain ways have been forgotten on how to respect and cherish one another, and that they have been replaced by greed and want, and sometimes people allow those feelings to overwhelm them with desires that are dishonorable, and they use them intentionally to please themselves. This becomes more apparent in the modern day times, even though it may or may not be emphasized as much.

But it would be those that stray from such ideas, and move towards restoring a better honor towards themselves and others that can, perhaps, change the world. At least by a fraction.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on December 07, 2009, 08:36:51 pm
Sure, some things have been forgotten.  But humanity has abolished above-ground slavery (for the most part), women and minorities are allowed to vote in the United States, etc. etc.

I just really fail to see, as someone who is pretty interested in history, how people have become progressively worse OR better.  Certain things change, but your basic human instincts don't.  People were greedy and disrespectful and corrupt and selfish 10,000 years ago.  It's just that they were greedy about different things.  They were selfish about different things, different ideals.  Ancient history is (pardon my French) really fucked up.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on December 07, 2009, 08:43:41 pm
Sajainta, thank you for sharing the story in any case -- the first step in solving a problem is often discovering the extent of the problem, and sexual assault is probably one of the more hidden issues in Western society given how underreported it is (or at least this is what I've consistently read and heard). Has the incident at least made it into an official police record of some kind? Even statistics can be an effective force; any groups out there that are trying to fight this will need those stats to press their case. But of course this is easier to report when a stranger is the perpetrator, I imagine -- so the perp's very identity can double the dilemma.

I'm not going to make any guesses as to the perpetrator's identity, and I've done precious little reasearch into the motives behind sexual assault other than sifting through the "power trip vs. sexual desire" debate. But I'll say that as a man, I've felt that a patriarchally-driven culture has bombarded me with the following message since birth: Women's bodies belong to you, young man. This, I think, is the sum message of much of the media and macho subculture we gentlemen are exposed to on a daily basis. The entitlement to sex that machismo promotes is a dangerous thing when it's coupled with the impression that there are no boundaries between human bodies. This is one way in which sex becomes something to reach out and take, rather than something that's meant to be shared; and I wonder if it isn't a significant contributing factor to sexual assault.

Others are free to disagree with me that this is what our culture is saying to young men, but it's what I feel having experienced at least Midwestern US culture and its patriarchal subcultures firsthand, and these kinds of impressions are ultimately what drove me to look toward feminism as a means of achieving a fuller humanity. In some ways being a man is to be a recovering sexist, and that's a dreary thing to confront. But confront and destroy it we must, at least those of us patriarchalism has touched and wound its thorns around. I wonder if women's studies classes as early as grade school wouldn't hurt, because it would at least arm young men with some of the tools they need to deconstruct and critically analyze what's happening around them.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Mr Bekkler on December 07, 2009, 10:18:12 pm
Sajainta, I'm sorry for your friend. At least she trusts you enough to be able to talk about it.


TK, the problem with your idea there is that darker side of humanity that you talk about isn't going anywhere. It's part of humanity. Without evil there would be no good, etc. Everyone is capable of doing horrific evil things, which is why people are scary. We choose to follow rules and be good and get along because we see that as the only rational course, but there always have been and always will be people who do bad things and see nothing wrong with it.

When one has been subjected to this first-hand, I'd say that one has every right to fear and/or hate humanity. My point is that vague advice about being honorable and not focusing on "the dark side" really doesn't help a very real, deep-set fear that was implanted by the very thing you're asking us to ignore.

Zombuck, yes, the police would have had more incriminating evidence if the friend went to the police first, but why would that be your first thought? Emotions are often more powerful than reason, especially during times of trauma.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Asafigow on December 07, 2009, 10:37:24 pm
Ah, things I truly hate...

Today's topic would be passion. It's not that hate passion in itself. It's that whenever I obtain the burning desire that is passion, I have no where and no way to output the emotion and energy, thus I fall into a state of almost complete insanity. oi! :picardno
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on December 07, 2009, 10:43:55 pm
Take up the arts.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Mr Bekkler on December 07, 2009, 10:48:28 pm
Take up the arts.
Seconded. You should try acrylic paint and a big canvas, or posterboard or anything really.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on December 07, 2009, 10:51:58 pm
Thirded. Asifagow, translate your powerful emotions into something! Visual artistry, the written word, C++, even a lump of clay -- you have the potential to bring forth an act of creation. And that is the most divine thing any human can experience. It doesn't matter what kind of passion you're experiencing; if it's that powerful as to torment you, it is worth communicating through some medium.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Temporal Knight on December 07, 2009, 11:25:26 pm
TK, the problem with your idea there is that darker side of humanity that you talk about isn't going anywhere. It's part of humanity. Without evil there would be no good, etc. Everyone is capable of doing horrific evil things, which is why people are scary. We choose to follow rules and be good and get along because we see that as the only rational course, but there always have been and always will be people who do bad things and see nothing wrong with it.

When one has been subjected to this first-hand, I'd say that one has every right to fear and/or hate humanity. My point is that vague advice about being honorable and not focusing on "the dark side" really doesn't help a very real, deep-set fear that was implanted by the very thing you're asking us to ignore.

Well, that wasn't necessarily the point I was trying to make, but more like yours...but then again it must be true as I did type those words. *scratches head*

Ah....I need to make my wordage and explanations more specific, don't I?  :lol:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Asafigow on December 07, 2009, 11:57:56 pm
Thirded. Asifagow, translate your powerful emotions into something! Visual artistry, the written word, C++, even a lump of clay -- you have the potential to bring forth an act of creation. And that is the most divine thing any human can experience. It doesn't matter what kind of passion you're experiencing; if it's that powerful as to torment you, it is worth communicating through some medium.

Thank you Faust, Lord J and Bekkler for the suggestion. I think I will look into that.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on December 08, 2009, 12:45:17 am
I specifically had music in mind when I made my comment, and of course others have touched on some of the other parts. Making music can be a very high-energy activity capable of absorbing lots of passion with no up-front preparation.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Asafigow on December 08, 2009, 01:17:27 am
That's sort of ironic, seeing how I play trombone in band. I played it for marching season and am continuing on it for concert season, but lately I've just seen it as a hobby instrument for playing random tunes based on how I feel(which I was thankfully able to do today). Still, thanks for the suggestions. My passion has a place now! 

:franky
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on December 08, 2009, 01:35:52 am
Excellent. And always remember to make time to make music that's just for you, rather than belonging to some project or commitment. Now, go forth and have a conversation with your trombone!

Asafigow: What'd you say?
Trombone: Wah wah wah wah!
Asafigow: I said what'd you say?!
Trombone: Wah wah wah wah!
Asafigow: Hey now, whoa, you don't say?
Trombone: Wah wah wah wah!
Asafigow: Now, don't you say--
Trombone: Wah wah wah wah!
Asafigow: Oh, don't you say--
Trombone: Wah wah wah wah! WAAAH!
Asafigow: You said it, pal!
Trombone: Wah!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Zephira on December 09, 2009, 01:24:15 am
"Hey, I have finals tomorrow morning, so I'm going to go to bed. Could you please keep the noise down a little?"
"FUCK you you were noisy at noon when I used to be nocturnal so I'm going to start cooking now and not go downstairs until midnight."

I HATE you person, and your bitch of a girlfriend, and that other lazy creep you let live here. Just because you turned twenty-one and started fucking a girl four years younger than you doesn't mean you can run this house hold. I honestly wish you would just die, or at least receive a grievous injury and move into a hospital.
I would just say that I want to die, but the thought of them one day asking for help or lodging, and me being able to turn them down, is just too heartwarming to throw away.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on December 09, 2009, 02:58:49 am
I would just say that I want to die, but the thought of them one day asking for help or lodging, and me being able to turn them down, is just too heartwarming to throw away.

Ah, I love unrestrained displays of malicious glee. The Fiendlord would approve.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: MagilsugaM on December 09, 2009, 06:06:43 am
I hate to say that to tell the truth I am no way a loser or anything but I hate the fact that i had such bad luck with woman in my life... Not that I am going to the other side but the fact that my first kiss was given by one of my girl cousin kinda traumatized me...

Yes a nearly had sex with my cousin because she was a really ... hard to say... To tell the truth I hate myself for nearly doing it and I am happy I didn't!

For all this year I been with her since pretty much since she first kissed me at six... and now that I moved to other country (Australia). I just can't forget about her... you guys can think whatever I know in various countries is considered incest but where I came from it wasnt normal but legal...

I really hate that time and loved it at the same time...

I HATE MYSELF THOUGHT for playing along and being a fool while he was making out with any kid who crossed her eyes with!

I don't hate her nor do love her but for sure I regret what I did!

Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZombieBucky on December 09, 2009, 09:17:50 am
WTF.
why is there snow out there?!
oh yeah. new england.
... GO BACK TO MAINE SNOW.
NO ONE LIKES YOU.
(in all seriousness, i love snow but i hate when i have to shovel cars out, shovel driveways, shovel paths to and from the house, then deal with the residents who have been here for fifty years and still drive ten miles an hour at the slightest hint of a flurry. so im just going to stay inside and drink my hot cocoa.)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on December 09, 2009, 11:58:35 am
...then deal with the residents who have been here for fifty years and still drive ten miles an hour at the slightest hint of a flurry.

I am so one of those people. On an icy, hilly road, there's no such thing as too slow. A few years ago it snowed in Seattle late in the afternoon, just in time for the evening commute. The roads iced over and vehicles began to lose control. When I left work, I had no idea what awaited me on that commute. Never before or since, anywhere, have I seen anything remotely like it. The entire Seattle transportation grid locked up. It completely failed.

We've all been in traffic jams before. We've all been held up for an hour or even two on a drive that would only take ten minutes on the open road. This was not that. This was honest-to-goodness gridlock, as in, thousands of people didn't make it home that night. Every freeway stopped. Most of the arterials stopped. I don't mean they were closed: I mean they stopped...with several hundred thousand cars still on them. Nobody could get anywhere. The snow plows and sanders were stuck. Even the emergency services couldn't get anywhere. And as the traffic became more congested, the temperatures dropped and the roads became more unnavigable. Hundreds of people abandoned their cars and just walked away, sometimes not even bothering to drive over to the shoulder.

I didn't know any of this until later. I left work thinking I was so savvy. I had heard that the express lanes on Interstate 90 were totally blocked due to traffic accidents, and that the mainlines were clogged. So I figured I would Highway 520 instead. I should have realized something was afoot when it took me almost half an hour just to get on to the freeway. We're talking four blocks. President Bush gave some kind of escalation speech that night; I listened to it on the radio. The whole speech was over before I even got across the Lake Washington bridge. By the time I got onto Interstate 405 at Bellevue the traffic was so bad that I figured I'd divert onto the sidestreets. A lot of good it did me. Fifty thousand people had the exact same idea. I could look and see the road in the distance, less than a mile away, and measure the time it took me to get there in half-hour increments.

At one point there was a particularly steep hill. Traffic was at a standstill all the way up. The roads were completely iced over at this point, so many of the cars couldn't make it up. This is Seattle. The roads rarely freeze here, so people don't carry chains. I didn't have any chains either. I was driving on plain old tires. I wasn't sure I would make it up the hill. The car right in front of me was having so much trouble that it kept going backwards more than forwards. I spent about three minutes just to change lanes, and I'm glad, too, because that car eventually did collide into the one behind it.

I actually ran out of gas during this drive. Or at least I almost did. I stopped at a filling station and it took me ten minutes just to turn into it because traffic was not moving. All told, I used about a third of a tank of gas that night. By chance I had an energy bar and some water with me, or I wouldn't have eaten dinner. The radio had canceled its regular programming to talk about the traffic, but all they could really say is "Boy, traffic's still jammed up everywhere. Let's go to Copter 7. Copter?" "Yep, still jammed everywhere. Back to you!"

By the time I made it to Issaquah, which is on the edge of the Seattle metropolis, the traffic situation on Highway 900 was the polar opposite: No one was there. There were dozens of cars littered on the sides of the road, and dozens more that had wrecked, but no one was actually driving. I thought for a minute that the highway had actually been closed. No, it was still open. Then I figured that everyone who would normally be driving on it was either still in traffic, or had given up and checked into a motel. Highway 900 is a hilly, winding road in the foothills, filled with scenic ditches and gullies. It actually is a gorgeous drive, but on this occasion it was totally iced over. A plow had been there at some point, but somehow the two lanes had consolidated into one. Luckily I didn't pass a single car coming the other way. One car eventually made it behind me, and was probably ticked off that I was driving at about 10 miles an hour, but as I drove past spinout after spinout I figured that the folks behind me could just suck it.

I come from a desert. We don't get snow there any more than we do here. I've driven on snowy roads fewer than twenty days in my whole life, and iced roads fewer than ten days. I have no idea how to do it right. All I have are first principles from physics. Not quite as handy as chains, eh?

I arrived at my destination more than six hours after I left work, at about a quarter past eleven. That's for a drive that would take 25 minutes on a clear road. I could have spun out or driven off the road or collided with another car on any of a hundred occasions...including right at the end, on the sloping driveway. But I drove carefully, and, together with some luck, I got out of that night unscathed and a lot wiser.

Lest you forget why I'm telling this tale, the reason that the transportation grid seized up that hard is that people were driving too recklessly. They weren't prepared for ice any more than I was, but they figured they were invincible. Or they just didn't figure at all. A few dozen of them wrecked in key locations, and in so doing they locked up the roads of an entire metropolis. Granted, my travails were rewarded by my girlfriend with hot chocolate and kisses, but I wonder if she would have been quite as happy to see me if I had smashed her car. And I wonder how I would have felt if I had spun out in some nowhere place and had to walk fifteen miles in the snow in regular old shoes (probably uphill, fighting off wolves!) just to get to the hot chocolate and kisses...which at that point would have been sooo not worth it.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZombieBucky on December 09, 2009, 12:32:16 pm
i understand that you shouldnt be reckless when driving in icy conditions. its scary when youre going up a hill and your car starts to slip. but these are people used to this particular climate (fwe get snow a lot) and theyre driving on the really well handled streets. the main roads, the highways... basically every street that gets plowed, salted, and sanded. at the first sight of a single flake, even when its just kind of falling and not sticking to ANYTHING, these people drive so slow. it drives me insane!
imagine what theyre doing now, when we have about five inches and more coming, followed by freezing rain.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: MagilsugaM on December 09, 2009, 09:01:53 pm
I hate that only snows once in 100 years in the province of my country of origin! But that was the year before I moved XD!  :lol:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Temporal Knight on December 10, 2009, 05:41:10 pm
I hate missing the bus. Then I have to drive. Which wastes my good gas. And I miss out on spending time with my girlfriend when that happens.

Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Zephira on December 16, 2009, 01:54:42 am
A few years ago, Hallmark made this line of mermaid statuettes. My Grandma gave me one for Christmas. She had a pink tail, brown hair, and was lying on her side amidst seaweed, asleep. My Grandma said she chose that one because she looked just like me when I slept. It's a really beautiful statuette, and sometimes I wish I were in its place. It'd be so much easier to just hibernate and not have to deal with this drunken bastard ranting and raving in the living room. He claims to know everything that goes on in this household, yet he is blind to how his son tries to manipulate everyone against each other.
Speaking of that brat, one of my favourite lines he said to his girlfriend today, "People like you are the reason domestic violence exists." I think the subject and speaker here should be reversed. Yes, that girl is deserving of a good swift kick in the face. Yes, she's annoying as all hell... Yet you don't see me ever touching her, or even speaking to her. Domestic violence exists because people like him don't have the patience to walk away from idiocy.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZombieBucky on December 16, 2009, 06:56:22 pm
Speaking of which, I should be getting a Rosetta Stone: Japanese for Christmas.
rage!
i have nothing against christmas. but i feel that letting people know what theyre going to be getting is ruining to the fun. the joy of christmas comes not in all that spiritual bs but in shredding ornate paper to find a unique surprise. something you werent expecting. the anticipation, the longing, the joy and happiness of finding something strange! thats why i still do christmas. not because im rich, not because jesus demands it, but because i like the giving and receiving. the joy i feel, the joy i see on everyone elses faces...
knowing what is in the box is NOT FUN.
knowing before hand is like 'oh im getting this. i should just get it now.' its not fun.
never ever fun.
ever.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: GenesisOne on December 16, 2009, 08:06:20 pm

I didn't say that I was guaranteed to get it.  It's still up to the giver.

Holy Schlamoly, you have a low boiling point.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZombieBucky on December 16, 2009, 11:14:03 pm
why would you know this though? BECAUSE THE GIVER FAILS. i am not a religious man. i do not feel that there is a god. i dont actively celebrate the 'true meaning of christmas' as it were. i feel that people should be surprised by what they are getting under the tree. to bring joy to themselves and others. i used to be very strict about not knowing what anyone was getting anyone, so that i could be surprised then too. that kind of fell out of favor when i got my sister the same journal that my mom got her. but i dont tell anyone what they are getting and i just jokingly ask what im getting. as to SPREAD THE JOY IN A SURPRISED FASHION.
(i have a short fuse in regards to things i feel are traditional, like holiday festivities, and my kitchen. ... yes, its my kitchen.)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Truthordeal on December 16, 2009, 11:45:58 pm
I actually agree with Bucky a bit here. My father's always been horrible at telling us what we were getting. He wouldn't tell us directly, mind you, but he'd always end up giving it away.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: TriforceofEternity on December 17, 2009, 01:18:58 am
I HATE ice storms but  I LOVE snowstorms and the nippy feeling of cold weather compared to the tiring feeling :picardno of heatwaves.  :P 

 Snow you can at least clear out to make way but Ice you are a sitting duck and there is no going anywhere and ice causes you to lose power if you live in a neighbor-hood with LOTS and LOTS of trees.

I'd prefer a foot/12 inches of snow over a half-inch 1/2 of ice which always knocks out power in our area of Silverton Oregon and hundreds of thousands across the mid-valley :shock:   

I also hate how we are one of the people to get ours on the last WITHOUT being considered rural/country.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on December 17, 2009, 02:44:01 am
A few years ago, Hallmark made this line of mermaid statuettes. My Grandma gave me one for Christmas. She had a pink tail, brown hair, and was lying on her side amidst seaweed, asleep. My Grandma said she chose that one because she looked just like me when I slept. It's a really beautiful statuette, and sometimes I wish I were in its place. It'd be so much easier to just hibernate and not have to deal with this drunken bastard ranting and raving in the living room. He claims to know everything that goes on in this household, yet he is blind to how his son tries to manipulate everyone against each other.
Speaking of that brat, one of my favourite lines he said to his girlfriend today, "People like you are the reason domestic violence exists." I think the subject and speaker here should be reversed. Yes, that girl is deserving of a good swift kick in the face. Yes, she's annoying as all hell... Yet you don't see me ever touching her, or even speaking to her. Domestic violence exists because people like him don't have the patience to walk away from idiocy.

That was powerfully written.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on December 17, 2009, 10:33:05 am
i dont actively celebrate the 'true meaning of christmas' as it were.

Actually, you are. The true meaning of Christmas is in the connection between the individual and that which is greater. Now for Christians, that "greater" thing tends to be God (or at least it is supposed to, but you'll notice that even most Christians who reject commercialism put family, not God, in its place). Even if you don't believe in the divine, however, Christmas is still a time to connect with humanity at large, with your family, with your friends, etc. All of which are things that are greater than the individual.

Gift giving is not about the objects themselves, but the meaning behind those objects. It can't be found in shredding ornate paper to find a unique surprise, but in receiving a gift that tells you that the giver truly knows and understands you. And it can be found in the giving of a gift that tells someone else the same. Often, that special feeling at Christmas comes when a gift is so perfectly suited to someone that they didn't even know it themselves.

Unfortunately, most people don't have the time or insight to give gifts like that, which is a great tragedy.

Christmas is about knowing others and being known. That is the greatest human desire. For some, that's religious. For others, not so much. But it is the same thing. If you get and give that, then when it is given or received doesn't really matter that much.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: KebreI on December 17, 2009, 03:40:28 pm
Thought, I think your confusing Christmas with Capitalism Day. Christmas is that Dogmatic one about some impoverished bastard child, where as Capitalism is a day in which you both boost winter sales and show others that your are thankful for there place in your life. Food is bought and eaten, Drinks are purchased and drunk, and gifts are exchanged. I have been Celebrating Capitalism Day for what...5 years now?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on December 17, 2009, 04:26:17 pm
...where as Capitalism is a day in which you both boost winter sales

Now is it a day to boost winter sales or is it a day to depress spring sales? Capitalism Day seems to cause a mini-recession every year.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: KebreI on December 17, 2009, 04:40:20 pm
First law of alchemy buddy. You gotta get the boost from some where.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: GenesisOne on December 17, 2009, 04:44:58 pm

First law of alchemy buddy. You gotta get the boost from some where.

I thought it was, "Find a way to turn lead into gold.  Otherwise, no one's gonna fund your pseudoscience."
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Crono666 on December 17, 2009, 06:24:21 pm
I hate Christmas shoping for gifts for my parents.
Every year, they always get me nice gifts, but I always end up giving them crap gifts. I just wish that I knew what to give them for Christmas.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on December 17, 2009, 06:54:12 pm
Do you really hate doing that? Or are you demeaning the word "hate" for the sake of convenience or emphasis?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Crono666 on December 17, 2009, 07:05:40 pm
Do you really hate doing that? Or are you demeaning the word "hate" for the sake of convenience or emphasis?
It's more the fact that I don't feel deserving of the nice Christmas gifts that my parents give me every year. I just don't feel like I do anything to deserve gifts.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: KebreI on December 29, 2009, 03:46:50 pm
Getting kicked out of my University, due to poor academic standing and outstanding financial charges.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Arakial on December 29, 2009, 04:16:32 pm
Getting kicked out of my University, due to poor academic standing and outstanding financial charges.
Condolences, KebreI. Do you have any fallback plan, or are you just going to wait the probation (assuming you're on academic probation) out and gather funds to go back?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: KebreI on December 29, 2009, 04:22:11 pm
Well I really have only one option, I going to file an appeal with the school. Either it works and I am in, or I take a year off and work full time(which would get me a much need money buffer). It sucks though either way, I had a craptastic second term freshmen year that put me here and if I didn't raise my GPA I would be suspended. It has been increasing and I've been doing better. Just not at the rate they liked.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Arakial on December 29, 2009, 04:32:10 pm
Well, I wish you the best of luck. I've seen too many of my own friends have to drop out because of academic and financial reasons.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Asafigow on December 29, 2009, 07:45:24 pm
Basically, I hate sitting in a car for hours on end, having to go from one side of a state to the other side of another state with nothing to do.

Yesterday my family and I spent approximately 15 hours driving in a car from central Arizona, to central Utah, and then towards southern California. Today we continued our journey for another 7 hours and finally reached our destination. The worst part is that yesterday was my birthday; although it was wasn't the first time I've done this on my birthday. Oi, I hate long distance travel. :x
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZombieBucky on December 30, 2009, 12:46:04 am
i should be tired right now, but im not. i cant sleep. my mind is waaaaaaaay too muddled right now.
this sucks.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: GenesisOne on December 30, 2009, 04:39:11 am

Clear out the storm clouds of your mind and rest easy.  Tomorrow's another day.

Yeah, they sound like something you'd find in a fortune cookie, but it's helped me when I'm in such a state.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: KebreI on December 30, 2009, 08:41:41 pm
AAAAAANNNND I just lost me job too, FUCK!!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Arakial on January 08, 2010, 06:26:52 pm
http://www.ivillage.com/snooki-jersey-shore-jay-leno-show/1-d-72483
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on January 10, 2010, 05:34:36 am
A lot of my friends are in so much pain right now.  It hurts.  It hurts so badly, and I wish I could take it all away.  But I can't.

On the 3rd, I got a "suicide call" from a friend.  She wanted so badly to end her life.  She felt she had no one to talk to, she wanted someone to listen.  She was crying.  She said she called me because I was kind and wise and she knew I would understand.  I told her I didn't want her to die.  I let her talk.  She is going through so much, and it breaks me.  I listened, because sometimes that's all people need.  Just for someone to listen to them.  I tried to help as much as I could, but I knew she needed to tell someone this, someone who didn't live states away.  I told her she needed to tell her parents, her sister, her boyfriend, her friends--anyone--that she was feeling this way, because she needed help from someone physically close to her.  I asked her to promise me that she would tell someone.  She said she would.  After the phone call I started crying.  Because her pain hurt me so badly.  I can't stomach the thought of someone I care about going through so much pain.

This wasn't the first suicide call I have received from a friend, and it will probably not be the last.  I try to be there for them as much as I can, but I feel so inadequate.  I wish I could save them.  It brings me such sorrow to know that so many people I cherish suffer, whether it's from depression or self-injury or eating disorders or the awful pain of loneliness and isolate.  I burn with absolute rage to know that so many people I cherish have had so many heinous things done to them.  I have often wished I could hunt down and kill all of those terrible people.

I try to be a good friend, a good listener, a person who is always there for those I care about.  But I so badly wish I could do more.  I wish I could erase all of their suffering.  They all deserve so much better than what they have been dealt in life.

I hate it.  I hate that I cannot do more, and I hate even more that these people have had to go through or are currently going through such emotional and physical hell.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Arakial on January 17, 2010, 03:16:41 am
http://laptoplogic.com/resources/a-beginners-guide-on-how-to-install-linux-software
Quote from: Some fool's comment
Totally useless. I know nothing about linux and this article re-enforces that. what is sudo? how do you get files transferred to the desktop? Why are you using a terminal window in a graphical interface? sn't there an easier way in a GUI program to install files.? I guess I will install windows on my netbook after all. This is for the birds.
Disgusting. You would know what "sudo" is if you actually made an effort to enlighten yourself. This is willful ignorance. Plain and simple.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Uboa on January 17, 2010, 05:42:40 am
Eh, some people just have an easier time getting it than others.  Unless you're particularly good at educating yourself about OS ins and outs, learning Linux can be pretty intimidating.  I don't hold it against anyone for deciding it's not for them, although I am a fan myself.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: MagilsugaM on January 17, 2010, 06:17:30 am
I hate whats going on now! I have this girl friend at school. She is a really shy girl but now she became really talkative. After we got to know each other I started to have feelings for her. However, everytime I tried to tell her she ran away. So then she realized with me classic tactic of "show them with out words".
In the end she never gave me an answer and now we are farther apart than ever...
I hate that I didn't just keep her as a friend. Now I lost her both ways =/

I also hate my bed I wake up with such a pain in my back and neck every damn morning... DAMN!
I've been cracking my neck since then! I might go to a chiropractor.

Oh, plus apart from all that my parents are divorcing now... and is the most horrible thing ever. My mum divorced my biological dad when i was like 2 so I have never went through such a thing. This happening again now that I am 18 is such a freaking pain.
If this happens I might have to go back to Argentina because the guy is such a fucking asshole. I nearly beat him down last time becasue he didn't want to sign the papers to receive the Youth allowance.

So only money i get is from my grandparents.


CAN I SAY SOMETHIN!!!!
FUCKKKKK HIM!!!!!!

I HATE THAT FUCKING BASTARD! HE THINK HE IS MY FUCKING DAD AND THAT HE HAS THE RIGHT TO TELL ME WHAT TO DO!
AND TREATS MY MUM LIKE SHIT! I SWEAR IF SOMETHING HAPPENS I GONNA FUCK HIM UP!

Well... I guess I took that out! I haven't talk to any friends about it... so I just yell it out load here... DAMN IT!

 :picardno :picardno :picardno :picardno :picardno :picardno :picardno :picardno :picardno :picardno :picardno :picardno
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on January 17, 2010, 12:11:38 pm
Good luck making it through.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on January 17, 2010, 02:53:34 pm
I hate whats going on now! I have this girl friend at school. She is a really shy girl but now she became really talkative. After we got to know each other I started to have feelings for her. However, everytime I tried to tell her she ran away. So then she realized with me classic tactic of "show them with out words".
In the end she never gave me an answer and now we are farther apart than ever...
I hate that I didn't just keep her as a friend. Now I lost her both ways =/

That's an important lesson. Contrary to what you might read in literature or see in films, a blossoming friendship with an interesting person belonging to the sex of your preference is not typically well-suited to develop into a romantic relationship. Sometimes--nay, usually--a friend is just a friend. If you push for romance with every interesting female you meet, you will end up with male friends only.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: GenesisOne on January 17, 2010, 04:30:51 pm

I personally hate begin requested to play "background music" for social gatherings at my house.

I hate this because of my predisposition when it comes to playing piano, which is that I would like to play knowing that there is at least somebody else BESIDES ME listening to my performance.

Otherwise, I'm just giving away a free piano concert to kids and adults who probably don't give a crap what piano music goes on in the background.  Heck, they've even thought of me as a distraction than an enhancement of the mood of the gathering.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Arakial on January 17, 2010, 05:44:58 pm
Eh, some people just have an easier time getting it than others.  Unless you're particularly good at educating yourself about OS ins and outs, learning Linux can be pretty intimidating.  I don't hold it against anyone for deciding it's not for them, although I am a fan myself.
You miss the point. That something is intimidating is a poor excuse for not pursuing knowledge when one is interested in something. And he attempted to pursue it for a second, so it seems, thereafter saying "aw it's too difficult, this article is totally useless. I'm a total mook and this article won't change that anytime."

Further, the commentor is simply asking for something that the article is not meant to do. That is, the article is meant to show how to convert installation files into readable execution format, not provide a fundamental understanding of terminal commands. There's many (and when I say 'many' I mean thousands) articles that will help explain the basics for the computer illiterate to the intermediate.

There is no justification for willful ignorance and that's something I'm not going to back down on.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Uboa on January 17, 2010, 10:23:13 pm
MagilsugaM, that is really wrenching to hear.  It's hard enough losing friends, but potentially having a family fall apart on top of it, geez.  And, I don't know what goes on between your stepfather and your mother, but I really hope that it doesn't wind up violent in any way...

When I came to the main page of the site today, the displayed slogan happened to be my now favorite quote from Chrono Trigger:

Every night has its day.
Even forever must come to an end...
I think.


Heh, for what it is worth.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: MagilsugaM on January 18, 2010, 01:25:19 am
MagilsugaM, that is really wrenching to hear.  It's hard enough losing friends, but potentially having a family fall apart on top of it, geez.  And, I don't know what goes on between your stepfather and your mother, but I really hope that it doesn't wind up violent in any way...

When I came to the main page of the site today, the displayed slogan happened to be my now favorite quote from Chrono Trigger:

Every night has its day.
Even forever must come to an end...
I think.


Heh, for what it is worth.

Well... I don't care anymore since I have never had a "family" but even if I did I wouldn't be perfect. I have my dad in my country and we talk to each other and he use to see me every weekend but now taht I came here I realized what I have lost.

Anyways there is no physical violence involved so it's all cool... he doesn't have the guts to hit me or my mum. Plus I am bigger than him. I think he is scared. However, he wants to throw us on the streets as soon as we get the permanent residence, it's gonna be though but we gonna make it through just fine! 


Quote from: Lord J Esq
That's an important lesson. Contrary to what you might read in literature or see in films, a blossoming friendship with an interesting person belonging to the sex of your preference is not typically well-suited to develop into a romantic relationship. Sometimes--nay, usually--a friend is just a friend. If you push for romance with every interesting female you meet, you will end up with male friends only.

That's what happens most of my life. Only those girls that actually "asked me out" or started it were the ones that I have formed successful relationships with. Every time I screw up and go to the friends side because I don't know how to do a romance approach. =/ I guess I will learn that with time.

Quote from:  ZeaLitY
Good luck making it through.

Thanks Z!

May the Springtime of Youth give me energy to achieve the impossible!

Thanks you all guys... I will post again if anything changed! :P
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on January 18, 2010, 01:36:44 am
Wow, MagilsugaM...I am so sorry.  That is so much to deal with.  Ugh, your step"father" sounds like an absolute asshole.  :x

I'm so sorry you and your mother have to deal with all of this.  I hope you two make it through alright.  You will definitely be in my thoughts.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on January 18, 2010, 12:43:30 pm
You miss the point.

As did you. It is possible to be so ignorant on a topic that one doesn't even know where to begin with teaching themselves. With the wonders of the internet it is much easier to find information, but finding information suited to such a beginning level is still difficult. So imagine that there is a person, let's call him Slowy McSlow, who has heard about Linux and is interested in installing it on their computer. They decide to inform themselves of how to do such a thing. So they call upon the arcane powers of the interwebs and summon forth what appears to be the perfect article: A Beginner's Guide to Installing Linux. As a beginner into the field of computer-whatchamacallits, a beginner's guide seems wonderful! Then they read the article. It makes assumptions. It isn't really a beginners guide intended for the unwashed masses but rather for individuals already familiar with computer-whatchamavallits. Slowy McSlow, being a member of the unwashed masses, a member who notably was attempting to educate himself (hence why he was reading the article in the first place), reads it, and is disappointed. There is not truth in advertising, from his perspective. Could he go learn all the technobabble necessary for him to understand the article? Sure, but that isn't what the article promised (from his perspective). He’s attempting to educate himself, but the article mocked those attempts.

There is no justification for willful ignorance and that's something I'm not going to back down on.

Charlemagne, Æthelberht of Kent, Jordanes, polypropylene, Augustine of Hippo, Augustine of Canterbury, epigenetics, micro RNA, mRNA, spissitude, MC4R pathway, glass transition state, SCA, Asia, positive punishment v negative rewards, GNS theory, dice pools, branes, chryssalids, aaaaand Darkwing Duck. There, you now have a lovely list of topics that you may or may not be knowledgeable about. If you do not go investigate the ones you aren't familiar with, then you are willfully choosing to remain ignorant. When you get done with those, I am quite sure I can come up with another small selection to keep you busy. And another. And another.

Not giving a flying rat’s ass has traditionally been a very legitimate form of justification for people willfully remaining ignorant on a whole host of topics. What turns this into a vice is when the individual willfully remains ignorant on issues that are important. Of course, what counts as being important tends to be rather subjective.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Arakial on January 18, 2010, 03:47:37 pm
True enough. But willful ignorance != natural ignorance (which everyone possesses). Your argument assumes I made that jump. Further, if like the person I mentioned,  this would be a better article to learn about terminal commands. http://davestechsupport.com/blog/2008/06/14/the-linux-terminal-for-beginners/

Quote from: Thought
Charlemagne, Æthelberht of Kent, Jordanes, polypropylene, Augustine of Hippo, Augustine of Canterbury, epigenetics, micro RNA, mRNA, spissitude, MC4R pathway, glass transition state, SCA, Asia, positive punishment v negative rewards, GNS theory, dice pools, branes, chryssalids, aaaaand Darkwing Duck. If you do not go investigate the ones you aren't familiar with, then you are willfully choosing to remain ignorant. When you get done with those, I am quite sure I can come up with another small selection to keep you busy. And another. And another.

Not giving a flying rat’s ass has traditionally been a very legitimate form of justification for people willfully remaining ignorant on a whole host of topics. What turns this into a vice is when the individual willfully remains ignorant on issues that are important. Of course, what counts as being important tends to be rather subjective.
Your argument makes another leap--I was talking about those who, and this is key, take an interest in a topic and choose not to pursue it due to low persistence.

EDIT: Though I suppose, I'll lookup a few things on that list out of pure fancy. :P
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: GenesisOne on January 18, 2010, 04:40:58 pm

Thought, has it occurred to you that there are different types of ignorance?

For the sake of clarity and definition, Ignorance is the state in which:

a) one lacks knowledge (i.e. absent of knowledge)
b) is unaware of something (i.e. innocence)
c) chooses to subjectively ignore information (i.e. willful ignorance)
 
This should not be confused with being "unintelligent", as one's level of intelligence and level of education or general awareness are not the same. 

I have seem this etymological confusion committed on numerous occasions in several topics here, and such people don't even recognize the error they committed.  As such, they jump to conclusions (much like you did right) that are without a solid base.  They assume that the accused is committing the third type of ignorance and not the first two as I have listed.

The word "ignorant" is an adjective describing a person in the state of being unaware. The term may be used specifically (e.g. I can be an expert in math, and totally ignorant of civil engineering) or generally (e.g. an ignorant person), although the second application is used less as a description and more as a personal insult to the accused.

Hopefully, this clears up some of the confusion.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on January 18, 2010, 06:58:42 pm
Thought, has it occurred to you that there are different types of ignorance?

All specific forms of ignorance can also be described as "ignorance," except for willful ignorance, which carries an additional component (of willfulness). That's the key distinction.

There, you now have a lovely list of topics that you may or may not be knowledgeable about. If you do not go investigate the ones you aren't familiar with, then you are willfully choosing to remain ignorant. When you get done with those, I am quite sure I can come up with another small selection to keep you busy. And another. And another.

Very good, Thought. A devastating argument. Of course, like many things it becomes less definitive when one applies a different context. Is knowing that one does not know, and resolving to know in the future, and thus resolving not to know in the present...as serious an act of willful ignorance as knowing that one does not know and being totally fine with it? Specifically, what is the significance of the temporal component in all this to you? Then, would you consider all ignorance to be philosophically equal? If one is content not to know the exhaustive details of every latest gossip magazine, is that as serious an offense of willful ignorance as being content not to know the news in general?

You made this argument as one of convenience to rebut Arakial. But how sincerely do you mean it? How far are you willing to go to defend and strengthen it?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Uboa on January 18, 2010, 11:03:20 pm
Seeing as none of us have enough time in the world to become knowledgeable about everything, we all have to pick and choose what we're to pursue knowledge about and too remain ignorant about.  In light of this, is "willful ignorance", as it's been defined so far, an unavoidable aspect of life?  How does one prioritize becoming willfully knowledgeable about subjects X, Y, and Z?  And, in light of the fact that there's a nigh innumerable multitude of other subjects where those come from, how does one choose what to exclude, just for practicality's sake?  (Is this what you're getting at with your question -- sentence the last, paragraph the first, post-Thought quote -- J?)

Even if one begins to pursue a subject seriously or just as a hobby, it's wholly understandable that they might want to stop if they get the impression that the hurdles they'll have to jump, in order to get to a comfortable level of knowledge with the subject, render that comfortable level of knowledge undesirable.  Those "hurdles" may look silly to you or me, but to the novice they are frustrating.  Keep in mind, said novice is a person who may also not be fully convinced of the worthwhile nature of this pursuit.  Perhaps they set out looking for validation in the pursuit itself and never found it.  In light of that, they may throw up their hands in frustration and settle to be ignorant about the subject in order to move on with their lives.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on January 19, 2010, 12:15:28 am
In my own philosophy, our comparatively high level of knowledge places an incredible obligation of character upon us to learn more. When a person exists in bliss, none of their ignorance is willful. But once those first steps are taken in curiosity, one discovery leads to another, and it becomes impossible to ever stop learning without being willfully ignorant. There's an enormous forward pressure on us to learn, and the source of that pressure is the threat of willful ignorance.

But if one is willfully ignorant simply because one has learned of something unknown and is not immediately in pursuit of it, as Thought suggested, then we are all willfully ignorant anyway, on a vast scale, and the smarter we are the more willfully ignorant we are. It would be impossible to simultaneously pursue all of these areas of known unknowns. Thus we are all reduced to wickedness which is only heightened by our attempts to rectify it. I owe Thought a good deal of credit for posing such a fascinating problem to what, for me, is a central philosophical principle.

In my view, then, "willful" ignorance cannot be as simple as being aware of a question mark and not immediately moving to answer it. My preliminary thought is that there must be not merely a desire not to know, but an acknowledgment (even if only to oneself) that answering it would introduce the individual to meaningful knowledge. Thus, the difference between depriving oneself of power versus wasting one's time.

This raises the issue of how to decide the worth of information before learning it, which I never considered necessary in my unqualified view of "willful ignorance" in the past.

Plenty to think about. Truly, Thought, my thanks.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on January 19, 2010, 11:28:32 am
Your argument makes another leap--I was talking about those who, and this is key, take an interest in a topic and choose not to pursue it due to low persistence.

Having thought about your original comments more, I think you might have just misapplied terminology. It isn't so much willful ignorance that you are annoyed at, though that is related. Rather, it is the lack of due diligence on the commenter's part. Does that seem to be a fair perception?

The commenter was attempting to learn about installing Linux, thus he was not engaging in willful ignorance by the very fact that he sought out the article. That the article is slightly misleading in its attempt at being a beginner’s guide is a valid criticism, one which if the individual had appeared to be an expert in the field I think you would have found more palatable. That is, if the individual had said something along the lines of "This article is not beginner level. For example, what is sudo? That wasn’t covered until my second year of major-work at my University; maybe that isn’t advanced, but it isn’t basic either.”

The commenter wanted to know information, he was interested in it, but from that single comment it appears that he was unwilling to perform his due diligence. While that article was not a "beginners guide," and so the poster's complaint was valid, the poster should have also been willing to perform the leg-work (or fingerwork, really) to find out the terms they didn't know.

Since this touches upon a theme of the Compendium, it is no surprise that such behavior would not sit well with a member here. If one is interested in a topic enough to research it a little, then one should be willing to research the hell out of it, or so the local philosophy goes.

There is a fine line between willful ignorance and lack of due diligence. I am proposing, and I think Uboa was as well, that willful ignorance is too strong a term in this case.

Thought, has it occurred to you that there are different types of ignorance?

Yup. You might notice that in my previous post I listed a number of topics so that Arakial would be aware of those topics (thus eliminating Ignorance B, by your definitions). I then offered him a challenge so that he had to make a choice (thus eliminating the possibility of passive ignorance, which you didn't list). All this was done to narrow down Arakial's options and force him either into an undesirable course of action (endless researching of topics which he might not be interested in) or into admitting that willful ignorance isn't always a bad thing. I would say that I am always against extremes, but such a statement seems to be a little too extreme for me ;)

To note, while ignoring information is indeed willful ignorance, that isn't all it is. Willful ignorance could also be described as intentionally being not curious. One might acknowledge a particular set of information and yet refuse to put that information together in order to extrapolate meaning.

Specifically, what is the significance of the temporal component in all this to you?

Well one must always remain ignorant in the present. There is no way that even you could learn all there is to know (or even a smattering of what there is to know) about, say, Kid Radd in this very instant. Any attempt to eliminate your ignorance will inherently take place in the future. Thus, the temporal component is significant in terms of intent. If one will become informed of a topic in the future, then that is no longer willful ignorance. But if one only says that one will become informed of a topic in the future but does not make this a reality, then that is willful ignorance. Intent is the key. So the temporal component is largely nonsensical, as even that returns again to if one is intending to remain ignorant or not.

You made this argument as one of convenience to rebut Arakial. But how sincerely do you mean it? How far are you willing to go to defend and strengthen it?

Humanity thrives because of specialization. Not all of us knows about farming, for example, because some of us can know about it and we can all benefit. Willful ignorance is a term that is often used disparagingly and in the context of looking down on an individual because they do not know what we know. The thing is, not everyone should know what I know, and I should not know everything that you know. Thus, there are topics that we, as human beings, have to acknowledge to ourselves and others that a) we don't know much (if anything) about and b) we won’t know much (or anything) about it in the future either. We should also not hold another individuals ignorance of topics that we care about against them, at least not in a reactionary way. There are topics that we might say that all humans should be informed about, but not every topic is that way.

There is a general theme in American society that the individual has to be good at everything. There is a particular shame that is bred into us regarding ignorance; it pains us to ever admit that we might be ignorant in a topic, even if there is no reason for us to be knowledgeable about it. This is most painful when it comes unexpectedly, when our ignorance is demonstrated by others rather than identified by ourselves. This is one of the things that I think holds back many people from achieving excellence. Instead of developing their strengths into paragons of virtue, people waste their time attempting to reduce their weaknesses in order to avoid the possibility of this shame. To address character flaws is important, but bringing everything aspect of ourselves up to average isn't as important as bringing a few aspects of ourselves up to phenomenal.

I am thus proposing that, in the proper circumstances, willful ignorance can be a virtue. If a medical doctor doesn't know about anime, oh well. An anime creator might impress upon this doctor of the cultural value of the art form, but the doctor is still within good form if they choose not to investigate it. Indeed, if instead of being a doctor this individual is a medical student, then ignoring anime in favor of medical information is a commendable virtue, one that I think most of us would prefer if our doctors had in their youth. Willful ignorance in this case is desirable. If an anime creator, on the other hand, doesn't know about anime, then willful ignorance becomes problematic. What might have been a virtue is now a vice.

As an aside, my comparison of medical knowledge to anime knowledge might seem laughable, as most people would assume that the former is important while the latter is not. I would disagree; medical knowledge can improve the quality of life and lifespan of a few people, anime knowledge can improve the quality of a culture and the lifespan of that culture. But I'm a historian; one should expect that I’d be biased more towards the humanities than the sciences.

Becoming an expert on a topic means learning more and more about less and less. One of those things that separates humanity from other animals is our ability to analyze the cacophony of information we receive and pick out those tidbits that are important. Willful ignorance, then, is even what makes us human. But I'm a moderate! Here I am arguing that total rejection of willful ignorance is harmful, but I would also argue that a total acceptance of willful ignorance is harmful. There are so many impossible things in the world, but if we want to do the impossible, we have to select a few that are important to us and ignore the rest.

This relates back to the original comments regarding Linux. The vice of the commenter, the vice that I believe struck a chord with Arakial, is a lack of due diligence. The individual wanted to know information but only took halfhearted (maybe even one-eighth-hearted or worse) steps to obtain that information. The analysis of the article was valid; it does not seem to be a beginners guide. But the commenter should have not stopped with that article (and hopefully they didn't).

Willful Ignorance – because to know one thing really well means we have to know ten other things not at all.

Due diligence - cause we have to research the hell out of the stuff we want to know.



... hmm, this water tastes a little funny. Urge to post random anime pictures, rising!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Arakial on January 19, 2010, 05:29:09 pm
Touche, Thought. Perhaps I used the wrong words.

But as a parting thought, should willful ignorance and lack of due diligence be treated any differently, given their uncannily similar results?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on January 19, 2010, 10:57:33 pm
I just came across this link (http://contexts.org/socimages/2008/05/29/brazilian-ads-about-child-sexual-abuse/) on advertisements about child sexual abuse that someone had posted on their Facebook status.

Just to warn you, the images and the video that follows are very disturbing and graphic.  It was very hard for me to read, because the first time I was raped was when I was a little girl, but I felt I should continue reading / watching.  The video especially hit home for me.  It made me cry, for a lot of reasons.  But that's something I don't want to get into.

This is truly something I hate.  Not the ads and videos themselves, but...the fact that this is so grotesquely prevalent.

This is horrid.

It needs to end.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZombieBucky on January 20, 2010, 07:16:54 am
yikes. i... i cant even imagine it. its just wrong how prevelant it is.
i hate my own forgetfullness. i think i fell asleep with my contacts in, but im not sure. i cant find them, at least. now i cant remember where my glasses are... its hard to drive when you have my vision.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on February 05, 2010, 12:52:02 am
Copypasta'd from another thread, but it needs to be said here.

It infuriates me that there is so much ignorance surrounding those who are transgendered.  "What, so...you're gay?"  Um, NO, my brother is NOT gay.  He has a girlfriend, but that does NOT make him gay.  "You should be happy with the body you're born in.  Why can't you just accept it?  Get over it!"  Ignorance, ignorance, ignorance.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: KebreI on February 05, 2010, 04:58:07 am
I will state it here, loud and in full understanding of what I say. I think it is complete crap to say one is only a "Male/Female in body" and then claim to be transgendered. There are transgendered people out there with legitimate claims, because they are physiologically different. Now they are gay and I have not a single qualm with it, its the lying to themselves about there biology that I have a problem with.

On another note; I do think that Gay is a valid insult, as it is meant to question there sexuality. Just as I have used Heterosexual as one to before as well to a good friend of mine.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on February 06, 2010, 04:09:00 pm
Gender != Sex.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on February 06, 2010, 04:10:21 pm
Did you mean to type "Gender =/= Sex" ?  Not trying to assume, I just have no idea what the "!" means.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: MsBlack on February 06, 2010, 04:16:55 pm
=/= ≡ !=
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on February 06, 2010, 04:18:37 pm
Did you mean to type "Gender =/= Sex" ?  Not trying to assume, I just have no idea what the "!" means.

!= means "does not equal".
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: TMC on February 06, 2010, 04:23:49 pm
I hate arguments. Especially with my gf...and the worst thing...I can't try to fix things as she's in Costa Rica now, argh.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: KebreI on February 06, 2010, 06:23:51 pm
Gender != Sex.

Care to elaborate because as far as I am aware they are the same.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on February 06, 2010, 06:49:18 pm
"Gender" in the way RD used it distinguishes the social meaning attached to physiology from the physiology itself ("sex" being the term used for the physiological aspect of being male or female). Although the difference between "gender" and "sex" is sometimes blurred in modern usage, it's still a very useful concept in, well, gender studies, heh.

In other words, merely having an XY chromosome set does not, in itself, make one a "man" in American society; being expected to buy a diamond ring for one's fiancee at Kay Jeweler's is one facet of what makes a male a "man." At least, this is the basic tenet of gender theory as I understand it.

If we use the term "gender" strictly in that sense, I wonder if it makes all of us who want to act outside the roles traditionally associated with our bodies "transgendered" in a way.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Truthordeal on February 06, 2010, 06:53:27 pm
Quote from: Master KebreI, 12th Degree Masonic Judge


Care to elaborate because as far as I am aware they are the same.

Sex is biological; which set of organs you have. Gender is psychological and sociological; whether you're a manly man or a girly man, or whether you're a girly girl or a tomboy.

Transsexuals are people who believe they were born the wrong sex, and take measures to rectify this. Transgenders are people who deviate from the social gender norms.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on February 06, 2010, 06:54:21 pm
Sex is an anatomical property determined by one's DNA and observed in the structure of an individual's genitals and secondary sexual characteristics. Among humans, there are male, female, transsexual, and intersex.

Gender is a social construct determined by behavioral roles adopted on the (dubious) premise that individuals should or will exhibit sex-specific personalities. Among humans, there are man, woman, transgendered, and several rarer others.

Also not to be mistaken with sex and gender is sexual orientation, which describes an individual's preference for a sexual partner's sex. Confusingly, sexual identity has nothing to do with the individual's own sex, but is nevertheless worded in terms of the individual's own sex with the words "heterosexual" and "homosexual" (but not "bisexual," "auto-sexual," "asexual," and others).

Edit: Clarification.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on February 23, 2010, 05:16:59 pm
I didn't realize this until today, but Glenn Beck is left-handed. Thus he joins a particularly damnable club of infamous left-handers, like Pat Robertson and Osama bin Laden. This is the ultimate treachery. Beck is dead to me.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on February 23, 2010, 05:20:05 pm
If it makes you feel any better J, my boyfriend is left-handed.  I think he's enough of a badass to even out the balance.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on February 23, 2010, 06:37:53 pm
Good! That ought to go a long way toward undoing the ignominy brought upon our kind by the late Glenn Beck.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on February 23, 2010, 06:45:27 pm
To be fair, Coffee's so awesome (or so I've heard) that he doesn't even need to be handed. He can... um... move things which his mind. Yeah. And roundhouse kicks (or is that Chuck Norris?)

<.<

>.>

BUT! To be on topic:
I think it can count as a hate to say that I hate how un-understanding people tend to be of others. All too often our first reaction is that other people are sinister fiends, twirling their mustaches (included the women) and plotting how they can foil our moose-and-squirrel-esq plans. Just a willingness to attempt to see our foes as human beings is unfortunately rare.

... okay, maybe this counts more along the lines of something that makes me sad and depressed.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Truthordeal on February 23, 2010, 10:11:30 pm
Bill Clinton, Barack Obama and Winston Churchill is/were all left handed. The way I see it, left-handedness might have about the same effect on your personality and ambitions as Sanpaku Eyes. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanpaku)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on February 23, 2010, 10:46:56 pm
Yes, we know about you...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on February 23, 2010, 11:34:47 pm
I actually find myself telling random people that D is left-handed.  I just think it's so cool.  It's another thing about him that makes him unique and interesting.

A lot of my good friends have been left handed, actually...  My best friend in Scotland was left-handed and my current best friend (other than D) is left-handed.  Southpaws are drawn to me!  XD

Most people with synesthesia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesthesia) are left-handed, interestingly enough.  Left-handed, horrible at math, and have really good memories.  I have the latter two.  But I'm boring and right-handed.  :)

Also, J you are now over 4,000 posts and are Lavos!  :O
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on February 24, 2010, 01:39:38 am
Behold, I am Lavos! I come from out of time to tell you that your time is up! I hereby declare war on peace and happiness! SKREEEEEEK !! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaULITIzS3g)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lance VII on February 26, 2010, 10:54:04 am
Behold, I am Lavos! I come from out of time to tell you that your time is up! I hereby declare war on peace and happiness! SKREEEEEEK !! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaULITIzS3g)
*looks at "moon stone" rank*
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on February 26, 2010, 02:56:24 pm
I hate the person I become when I am emotionally dead.  It terrifies me.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: GenesisOne on February 26, 2010, 10:44:36 pm

I hate the person I become when I am emotionally dead.  It terrifies me.

I hate the people that remind me of all the bad qualities I embody.  It's not good for morale.

Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on February 27, 2010, 02:21:30 am
Most people with synesthesia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesthesia) are left-handed, interestingly enough.  Left-handed, horrible at math, and have really good memories.  I have the latter two.  But I'm boring and right-handed.  :)

I have a right handed friend who has synesthesia. I should let him know what's been denied to him.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on February 27, 2010, 04:21:21 am
I have a right handed friend who has synesthesia. I should let him know what's been denied to him.

Also, most people with synesthesia are female.  Yet another thing he's been denied!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on February 27, 2010, 06:15:14 am
It is an ugly fucking crime that Club977 plays the full "Tonight, Tonight, Tonight" by Phil Collins, but doesn't play the full Purple Rain by Prince, even though they're the same length. The number of hits Phil Collins had in the 80s is also a massive crime. There were better songs.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: GenesisOne on February 28, 2010, 05:39:06 pm

Hey, I like Phil Collins...

Well, his later work, anyways.

 :picardno
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Samopoznanie on March 01, 2010, 12:26:05 am
I think I'd not mind Collins so much if he'd just let poor Genesis die in peace, before the 80s pop years kicked off.  To go from 'Selling England...' to 'Abacab' and 'I Can't Dance' is just...  :picardno
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: GenesisOne on March 01, 2010, 12:34:58 am

Well, the 80s wasn't a good decade for him...

but the 90s did him some (read: some) justice.  "Tarzan", anyone?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on March 03, 2010, 01:46:01 pm
I hate how the following words are overused and applied to stupid and small things::

- Hate.
- Heartbroken.

Ugh.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on March 03, 2010, 03:33:37 pm
I hate it when you start using a new stack of printer paper mid-print project and it is a slightly different color than the stuff before it, so the packet isn't uniform. Indeed, I am really heartbroken over such turn of events.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: MsBlack on March 03, 2010, 04:30:35 pm
'We should've stopped the Holocaust but we didn't. Well, we learned at least. Never again.'
'Rwanda, eh? We'll know for next time. Never again.'
'Darfur too? Third time's the charm, right? Never again.'

http://freekorea.us/2007/02/18/holocaust-now-looking-down-into-hell-at-camp-22/

Never again?!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: KebreI on March 03, 2010, 07:13:44 pm
My Facial hair grow so damn fast and full.  :x
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on March 03, 2010, 08:44:03 pm
Poor baby.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on March 03, 2010, 09:57:38 pm
'We should've stopped the Holocaust but we didn't. Well, we learned at least. Never again.'
'Rwanda, eh? We'll know for next time. Never again.'
'Darfur too? Third time's the charm, right? Never again.'

http://freekorea.us/2007/02/18/holocaust-now-looking-down-into-hell-at-camp-22/

Never again?!

People have wondered--I've wondered, myself--how the world stood by during the Holocaust. The sense of it seems to be that most people didn't know about it. Those who had some idea, didn't much care. Those who had the power to act, lacked the will.

If these reports are true, and there is evil underway in North Korea to the degree of malevolence described therein, then are media are complicit in these atrocities for not doing more to bash the story down our collective throats, the American public is complicit in these atrocities for yawning at the sanctity of life they claim to hold so dear, and the American government--who no doubt knows a lot more about this than is publicly available--is directly an accessory to these crimes by not intervening to stop them.

I didn't know about this. The descriptions are so terrible that I can't even bring myself to accept their validity without corroboration. I want for them to be untrue, not only so that those who are said to suffer in these camps may be phantoms, but so that I won't have to look at the governments of the liberal democracies of the Earth with a new sheen of contempt. If these reports are true, and our nations have done nothing, then my already tenuous confidence in democracy will be shaken all the more.

If I were the president, I would have my military commanders present me with a plan within the month to liberate the camps, at whatever the cost to American military lives and even American civilian lives and the lives of civilians in other nations, should North Korea choose to retaliate with its nuclear weapons. No military should exist, nor nation, if it would not use force to right this kind of a wrong. Power obligates.

I don't understand the depravity of which some people are capable. Even "simple" genocide would be within my ability to understand, if one can relate to it as the eradication of one's enemies, but turning living people's lives into nightmares of every kind of torture imaginable, and dispensing the same to their families, and then killing them...that's not fathomable to me. Either the people responsible for it do not understand what they're doing, or they're insane. There's no way to rationalize this.

From the Armenians to the Rwandans, the 20th century broke new ground in the scale of horrors that humans have visited upon one another. With Sudan--another country where we must intervene--I had known that the 21st century is off to a good start. But I didn't know about North Korea...

We can't even blame religion on this one. It's fuckery of another kind, human pettiness without even the pretense of righteous justification. It's plain, unadulterated malice. I hate having my politics played with like this, but, if these reports are true, then, despite all the lessons I've learned from Iraq, the next American president to propose attacking North Korea will have my support.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Truthordeal on March 03, 2010, 11:54:48 pm
Quote from: Lord J.
If I were the president, I would have my military commanders present me with a plan within the month to liberate the camps, at whatever the cost to American military lives and even American civilian lives and the lives of civilians in other nations, should North Korea choose to retaliate with its nuclear weapons. No military should exist, nor nation, if it would not use force to right this kind of a wrong. Power obligates.

(http://teddziuba.com/2008/08/11/hell%20yeah%20motherfucker.jpg)

Human depravity will never cease to amaze me....but damnit, I wish the people in power would actually learn something.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on March 22, 2010, 02:13:12 am
Friends in pain.
Friends who have been told that things that are a huge deal are not a huge deal.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: KebreI on April 14, 2010, 09:07:58 am
http://kotaku.com/5516654/x+com-is-back (http://kotaku.com/5516654/x+com-is-back)

NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOO000000000oooooo......


It's going to be a damn FPS!!!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: GenesisOne on April 14, 2010, 01:35:21 pm

Hey, at least they're not bringing back Myst or Black & White.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on April 15, 2010, 10:17:29 am
http://kotaku.com/5516654/x+com-is-back (http://kotaku.com/5516654/x+com-is-back)

NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOO000000000oooooo......

It's going to be a damn FPS!!!

Well X-Com already had an entry into the Shooter genre (3rd rather than 1st, admittedly), X-Com: Enforcer. And, of course, the canceled X-Com: Alliance was to be a first-person shooter. If I recall right, Alliance was supposed to allow the player to jump between squadies, however, in an attempt to combine the strategy elements with the shooter experience.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Truthordeal on April 15, 2010, 09:20:43 pm
http://lyrebird.livejournal.com/142941.html

*sigh* This oughta be fuuuun...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: GenesisOne on April 15, 2010, 10:05:19 pm

Will the internet ever be the same again?

With the advent of copyright laws, who knows? They already got it going strong on YouTube.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on April 21, 2010, 12:27:37 pm
I'm not a fan of when people are deceptive, but there is a difference (to me at least) between being deceptive and out and out lying.

A person might be deceptive when they say something that might be true but that they don't actually know. A person might be deceptive when they phrase things in such a way so as to encourage the hearer to make the wrong assumptions.

But when someone knows that their statement isn't true, when they know that some of the people they are telling the lie to know that it isn't true, when they don't even have the decency to attempt to go for deception, that's a lie and it gets my ire like little else.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Zephira on May 19, 2010, 06:30:46 pm
Disaster! There are no more copies of Starcraft II Collector's Edition available! I currently hate myself for waiting so long to make the call.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on May 19, 2010, 10:47:00 pm
=(

Keep your eyes peeled for a second issue or for a secondhand resale.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on May 19, 2010, 11:55:19 pm
Hasn't the Chrono Series taught you anything? Go recruit a punk rocker, break into the mansion holding this treasure, and save the universe! ... by... playing Starcraft, I guess.

Okay, it isn't a perfect analogy.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on May 20, 2010, 06:02:34 am
I hate the premise that abortion should be illegal for everybody. You wanna not have one yourself, fine. You wanna be with a partner who won't have one, fine. But you wanna outlaw it for everyone? That's not only hella not fine. That's a declaration of war.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on June 30, 2010, 07:20:26 pm
I don't think I've ever met or even spoken with someone more unfortunate than you, Sajainta. What can I say? "I'm sorry" doesn't even begin to cover it. I didn't realize how much the injustices in your life weigh on me until I ranted about it for almost an hour to my dad last weekend.

What will you do now?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on July 02, 2010, 01:00:51 am
Fuck the time value of money. It's fucking black magic witchcraft bullshit not rooted in any kind of real gain in value.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: deviant_ambition on July 27, 2010, 06:32:26 am
Insomnia. It sneaks up on me when I least expect it.  :x
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on July 27, 2010, 06:39:24 am
Insomnia is a bitch.  I've had it for as long as I can remember.  I take two really strong sleeping pills a night, and I still have trouble sleeping.  Sucks.  :/
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Ramsus on August 08, 2010, 01:34:41 pm
Pretty soon I'll be back home in the states, and I'll own this:

http://www.jimdunlop.com/index.php?page=products/pip&id=406

Which should be a lot of fun with my looping pedal (http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/RC-20XL/), especially since fuzz is the only kind of distortion pedal I seem to like so far.

I also got this:

http://www.native-instruments.com/#/en/products/producer/maschine/

Which should make beats and grooves more fun to put together. Plus I got a pair of these to mix and master with:

http://www.krksys.com/product_rokit.php

Throw in my recording interface and I'm ready to just lock myself in a room and have fun messing around for several months.


Which is great, except I still don't have an outprocessing checklist or a date for my final out appointment. I'm not even sure the flight I have scheduled is the one I'll be flying out on. I don't even know what appointments I need to take care of over the next week and a half, all because the guy at separations doesn't really care about his job, never reads his e-mails, and just forgets about you the moment you step out of his office.

It's making me nervous as hell.

But whatever. Once I'm done here, I won't even remember any of the bad things.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Indy on August 08, 2010, 01:40:22 pm
Parents who have bratty children and really do nothing about how they behave or act.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kenshuke on August 08, 2010, 02:02:19 pm
Parents who have bratty children and really do nothing about how they behave or act.

+99 >____<

They really pissed me off :x I also hate the misunderstandings when I cannot make the other person understand my point/what i´ve said, i really get angry, and the other person continue doing as if he/she doesn´t know what i´m talking about. Why??!! D:

Mom: Are you going out?
Me: Nop.
Mom after a minute: Are you going out?
Me: No mom ¬¬
And several times repeated.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Harle.fr on August 09, 2010, 09:04:02 am
Parents who have bratty children and really do nothing about how they behave or act.

Couldn't agree more... What's better than a bunch of really rowdy kids to ruin your evening at the restaurant...
Oh yes, like a lot of my countrymen I also really hate my current government (I'm French). But it's not like someone could do something about that;)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on August 09, 2010, 04:57:40 pm
Oh yes, like a lot of my countrymen I also really hate my current government (I'm French). But it's not like someone could do something about that;)

You could revolt.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Harle.fr on August 10, 2010, 03:35:19 pm
Oh yes, like a lot of my countrymen I also really hate my current government (I'm French). But it's not like someone could do something about that;)

You could revolt.  :mrgreen:

Lol that's true we're good at that 8)
Anyway, I think politics generally dissatisfies more than it contents people.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Hayden on August 11, 2010, 03:31:55 pm
i hate....You Chrono'99 Faustwolf Infact i hate EVERYONE!!!
i am on my PERIOD!!! YAY!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on August 11, 2010, 04:11:42 pm
Lol that's true we're good at that 8)

Haha, yes you are!  :D  France is on its 5th Republic now, right?  I've been pretty much obsessed with the French Revolution since I was 14 and damn, talk about intense.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Hayden on August 15, 2010, 07:40:14 pm
I hate Justin Bieber Songs, I hate Miley Cyrus I hate People who call someone Noob and calls everyone a Noob i hate how people say SAYING NOOB IS DUMB ITS NUB and they actually said noob 100 times, I hate Square-Enix for removing Crimson  Echoes I hate you give someone money to get you something and they  get theirself something with it i hate when Someone in my class Asks like a Smarta*s and i have to tell em off and i have to end the sentence by saying GENIUS, YOUR JUST A REAL GOD DAMN GENIUS
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on August 20, 2010, 08:16:39 pm
One of my friends just lost her younger brother today.  So terrible.  :(
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Crono666 on August 22, 2010, 05:51:21 am
Parents who have bratty children and really do nothing about how they behave or act.
I agree with this. Also I hate it when kids talk in the movie theaters. :x
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Mr Bekkler on October 10, 2010, 02:44:33 pm
Pretty soon I'll be back home in the states, and I'll own this:

http://www.jimdunlop.com/index.php?page=products/pip&id=406

Which should be a lot of fun with my looping pedal (http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/RC-20XL/), especially since fuzz is the only kind of distortion pedal I seem to like so far.

Have you tried the ProCo Rat pedal? I'd give it a whirl, it's my favorite distortion pedal ever (I just use the disto channel on my marshall amp, but if I didnt have that amp I'd get a Rat) and it's very very versatile.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on October 11, 2010, 11:02:12 pm
I miss Pushing Daisies. I hate that it was canceled...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Mr Bekkler on October 12, 2010, 03:47:57 am
I miss Pushing Daisies. I hate that it was canceled...


Brilliant show.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Trebuchet on October 18, 2010, 11:38:35 pm
I hate politics.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: MagilsugaM on November 05, 2010, 08:35:05 pm
I hate politics.
Who doesn't?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on November 06, 2010, 12:18:55 am
I hate politics.
Who doesn't?
Political Historians
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Mr Bekkler on November 06, 2010, 05:55:20 am
I hate my fish. He's a real dick.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Trebuchet on November 06, 2010, 04:38:54 pm
I meant modern, petty politics that seem to exist only to make people bitch and separate friends.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: utunnels on December 28, 2010, 04:56:29 am
Well, I've been a firefox user for years until today.
Guess the fox ate too much and became unbearable slow.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on December 28, 2010, 09:59:47 am
Just came back from Mumbai. Seen good things, bad things and downright disgusting things. Lots of places to see, lots to get and enjoy, yet lots of traffic and bribery; havaldars, traffic police and security guards just can't live without bribes. Hell, even most "affordable" hotels were the most unhygienic and inconvenient at best, making middle-class folks like me feel pretty good about our own small apartments back home.

But if there was one thing I despised most is the people stalking most tourist places in the hopes of earning money or getting laid (with foreigners). Was taking pictures of the family at a small beach, until I saw an Indian dude talking to a pretty and young blonde lady and her mother. Now normally that's not a problem; the tourists knew the place was friendly, the man was funny and charming, and they probably had a great companion. Things didn't seem out of the ordinary...

...which was the problem. The man wasn't really an ordinary mumbai citizen, from an Indian's point of view, and it was obvious he didn't even know the tourists from the looks of things, but just met them. Albeit he was funny and friendly he wasn't alone. Just behind him, sitting on the mats, were his buddies looking at him and the woman either lustfully, amused, or a few with opened jaws. The dude himself kept moving towards them and touching the girl inappropriately in front of her mother, neither of them minding this for some strange reason.

Some might think that this is ordinarily the case when you want to socialize with other races, and true, half of us guys would like to have affairs with women outside our races, but through an Indian's point of view the situation was worse than you could imagine. The man wasn't trying to socialize with the tourists, but actually getting into the pants of almost every beautiful foreign woman he saw, with his buddies backing him up (buddies with knives with connections in the Mumbai slums) just out of you-know-what. They were basically rabid stray wolves in mating-season stalking the places crowded with tourists.

I wanted to warn the women about them. Wanted to caution them to stay clear of trouble, but I doubt those guys would leave their eyes off for a second. Plus, I was with my family and cousins; didn't want them involved in anything dangerous.

Bleh, survival of the fittest, I suppose. Just wish tourists would be more prepared than this.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on January 06, 2011, 09:38:24 am
Excerpt from my Facebook...

Just sold my old CRT while watching this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8VfcmKDLiw
I dunno if it's the music in that video, or selling off a fragment of my childhood for just 500 bucks that makes me feel uncomfortable somehow, which is ironic since it's just manufactured product.

Yeah, that was my first ever monitor I purchased... as a kid, who was eager to play games on it. Ah, the good old days. XD
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lavodox on January 23, 2011, 01:30:39 pm
I hate FFXIV, but love seeing its prices fall. Take that, SE. Serves you right for C&Ding our fan projects. Hah!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: GenesisOne on January 23, 2011, 06:55:46 pm

I hate how gamers out there look at FFVII and see it as the paragon of FF games.

I personally find it to be over-rated as a game.

IMHO, FFIX was way better.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Manly Man on January 23, 2011, 10:06:50 pm
Me too. From what it looks like, the game was made to spur the fangirls, and I'd thought they'd done that enough with Kain from FFIV and Locke from FFVI.

Speaking of which, I hate it when something is done completely as fanservice, whether it's plotline or character design or whatever, but especially character design. Ivy's costumes get skimpier and skimpier, and it pisses me off whenever people start comparing Soul Calibur to Dead or Alive, and I hate to say it, but it's getting closer as they continue.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on January 23, 2011, 10:50:34 pm
Manly Man, I'm curious: do you feel that example of "fanservice" was actually demanded by the Soul Caliber fanbase? Or could it have been a mere assumption on the developers' part? Sometimes I really wonder about the...directionality of these things.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lady Marle on January 23, 2011, 11:37:27 pm
I hate American Politics, as I am apart of the country. I hate the health care system here, and don't get me started on the judicial system...

On a lighter note, I thing the Final Fantasy series as a whole is overrated. I can appreciate some of the games as I love them just as much as the next gamer... but I want to see either a new series that sparks passion in the fans or a continuation of another series to quench their fans now... *cough* the Chrono series *cough*
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Manly Man on January 24, 2011, 02:25:33 am
Manly Man, I'm curious: do you feel that example of "fanservice" was actually demanded by the Soul Caliber fanbase? Or could it have been a mere assumption on the developers' part? Sometimes I really wonder about the...directionality of these things.

Personally, I think it was a bit of both. When they started her off, they made the 'obligatory' slutty-dressed character. Once it was found that she attracted buyers, they continued to emphasize the concept with all of them and see how far they could push it to draw more people in with the sexual appeal. Now, it's gotten to the point of the entire female cast being considered a joke.

I love the game, and I even love the characters, but the way that they're portrayed, looking like pornstars, really gets to me. I don't even get as angry at it as I do disappointed. They could give a try to using their imaginations a bit more and make something creative that will have people take them seriously again.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on January 24, 2011, 07:18:50 am
Shallow "love".  D and I watched Sweet November earlier today (don't ask...we wanted to watch a chick flick and make fun of it) and the ending is just obnoxious.

(Um, spoiler alert ahead?  Can't imagine this would be a big deal on here, but ya never know.)

The female protagonist essentially tells Mr. I-Never-Have-Any-Facial-Expressions-Ever protagonist (aka Keanu Reeves) that she's leaving him (after a month) to go die of cancer because she wants him to only remember the good stuff about her, that what they had was perfect, and she wants that image of her burned forever into his mind so she can still attain some kind of "immortality" or some shit.

What.The.Fuck.

What kind of idiot thinks love is all about rainbows and sunshine and remembering all the good things?  That's not love.  That's fluffy idiocy.  If you love someone, you take the good with the bad.  You love them as flawed, real human beings who make mistakes and piss you off.  Not some kind of perfect concept.  Essentially, the main character wants to be remembered as a flat, one-dimensional person.  Sounds like the worst kind of immortality to me.

D and I fight sometimes.  We get into heated debates that make both of us mad.  We say things we don't mean to each other on occasion.  We've gone through hell together.  There is absolute truth in the statement "I love you, but I don't like you right now."

And I wouldn't have it any other way.  Because that's human.  It's realistic.  Life isn't some damn bowl of perfect happiness.  Neither is love.  It is amazing and beautiful and wonderful, yes.  I can't even explain what it's like to be in love.  But it's hard.  And it can be very frustrating and annoying.  Because if you truly, truly love someone, you take them for what they are.  You take them and love them as an imperfect person with whom you will most certainly fight with and dislike at some point.

And those who agree with the movie's message about love are incredibly naive, and I feel sorry for them because they've obviously never experienced real love.

I'm not even going to go into that whole "the two characters knew each other for about three weeks and fell head over heels in love" fairytale bullshit.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Trebuchet on January 24, 2011, 11:08:50 am
I absolutely despise the textbook industry. I just payed 63 dollars for a book that wasn't even bound, I had to buy a binder to put it in. Disgusting.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on January 24, 2011, 12:34:27 pm
Saj, that reminded me of the following line that you might find interesting: "When you're a kid, they tell you it's all 'grow up. Get a job. Get married. Get a house. Have a kid, and that's it.' But the truth is, the world is so much stranger than that. It's so much darker. And so much madder. And so much better."
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on January 24, 2011, 03:03:49 pm
Incredibly well said, Sajainta.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Mr Bekkler on January 24, 2011, 03:27:47 pm

Saj, that reminded me of the following line that you might find interesting: "When you're a kid, they tell you it's all 'grow up. Get a job. Get married. Get a house. Have a kid, and that's it.' But the truth is, the world is so much stranger than that. It's so much darker. And so much madder. And so much better."

You and the Doctor!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Syna on January 24, 2011, 05:27:47 pm
I'm not even going to go into that whole "the two characters knew each other for about three weeks and fell head over heels in love" fairytale bullshit.

You know, I agree with you, and to extend your rant a bit, I wish people were more realistic about this. The truth is, I think, that so-called "love at first sight" does kind of happen, but it's more like this: you see someone, and you interact a bit with them, and your intuition tells you that you can forge a connection. It's more like "I could love this person" than "I love this person." And because you can be very, very wrong about this, it's not easy and straightforward and it does often take ages to sort out what it all means. It's a beautiful experience and it really does occur, but it's just as convoluted as any other romantic relationship or friendship.

See, to me, a story where people do feel and instantaneous connection but muddle through the quagmire of doubt and awkwardness and general weirdness sounds way more compelling than bam bam hearts and flowers. (ETA: Or, optionally, it's bam bam hearts and flowers and then she gets sucked through a time gate. ^_~) But some people aren't too fond of real complexity, I guess.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on January 24, 2011, 08:19:30 pm
Saj, that reminded me of the following line that you might find interesting: "When you're a kid, they tell you it's all 'grow up. Get a job. Get married. Get a house. Have a kid, and that's it.' But the truth is, the world is so much stranger than that. It's so much darker. And so much madder. And so much better."

That is an amazing quote.  So true.

You and the Doctor!

He's a JaWHOva's Witness, do you expect anything else?  XP

You know, I agree with you, and to extend your rant a bit, I wish people were more realistic about this. The truth is, I think, that so-called "love at first sight" does kind of happen, but it's more like this: you see someone, and you interact a bit with them, and your intuition tells you that you can forge a connection. It's more like "I could love this person" than "I love this person." And because you can be very, very wrong about this, it's not easy and straightforward and it does often take ages to sort out what it all means. It's a beautiful experience and it really does occur, but it's just as convoluted as any other romantic relationship or friendship.

I've had that happen before on both a friendship and on a relationship level, when I've met someone and within the first few hours of talking with them have thought "I can see us being best friends" or (in the case of my boyfriend) "I can see myself loving him".  But wouldn't that just be intuition at first sight?  I wouldn't say it was "love" at first sight, because I don't like using the word "love" lightly.  It is such a deep and moving feeling-that-isn't-really-a-feeling that ages and matures with time and does not happen in a matter of moments.  Not to mention that part of being in love is truly knowing another human being, something that cannot happen quickly.

I see what you're saying, and I do know those moments exist because I've experienced them.  And correctly too, yay!  That "I could love you" feeling I had around that one guy with tousled brown hair and glasses led me into a wonderful relationship with him, and we'll celebrate our four year anniversary in three days.  =)  But I would still hesitate to call it love, purely because I think love in this context is a special word that should not be taken lightly.  Does that make sense?


See, to me, a story where people do feel and instantaneous connection but muddle through the quagmire of doubt and awkwardness and general weirdness sounds way more compelling than bam bam hearts and flowers. (ETA: Or, optionally, it's bam bam hearts and flowers and then she gets sucked through a time gate. ^_~) But some people aren't too fond of real complexity, I guess.

Agreed 100%!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Syna on January 25, 2011, 11:47:50 am
 But wouldn't that just be intuition at first sight?  I wouldn't say it was "love" at first sight, because I don't like using the word "love" lightly.  It is such a deep and moving feeling-that-isn't-really-a-feeling that ages and matures with time and does not happen in a matter of moments.

Oh, yes, I certainly agree that "love" is deserving of a more lasting and deep connection, and needs to be earned, kind of.

That instantaneous recognition of the possibility of love is a really amazing (and sometimes alarming) experience in its own right, but it's just that-- the possibility of love.

I think people jump to the word love because they desperately want to experience the most meaningful and intense experiences life has to offer, and that's understandable; but IMHO that's because infatuation gets a bad rap. It's pretty fucking awesome when you're infatuated with someone! It's just not love yet.

(I admit to being a bit biased here because my own boyfriend of almost 4 years claims up and down that it was love at first sight for him, but I think he ultimately agrees with what we're saying. "Love at first sight" just makes a good story to tell friends maybe. ^^ And for my part, I experienced what you did, "wow this is someone I could really be connected to." )

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Not to mention that part of being in love is truly knowing another human being, something that cannot happen quickly.


On one hand, I definitely agree with this, but to extend the discussion a bit, I tend to think mystery is a crucial aspect of love. Not that you don't know the person, but I'm inclined to say that part of what you know is how deep and, in certain ways, unknowable they are. Having an SO for this long, I'm in no hurry to know everything about him. I enjoy the process of discovery. Just idle thoughts, though. 
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on January 25, 2011, 04:35:15 pm
XD Did somebody say "Love at first sight"? Funny thing is (I'm not trying to be sexist, if discriminating your own sex is sexist, just that it's a psychological fact) most guys, upon meeting a girl, make up their mind at first sight (or meeting) whether the girl they saw was "doable". Romance and intimate relationships come after, let alone any kind of tension.

Personally, I've always seen true love as something "fun". When you really LOVE someone you'd have the best time with them, more than anybody else in the whole wide world. Doesn't mean you don't fight, of course (which was modestly pointed out by Saj XDDD), but life happens when you least expect it. But when things go quite unhealthy and there's not much you can do to improve it, and nor is your partner interested in cooperating, it's time  to leave the building before you damage yourself emotionally (yes, I've been there, and it's not pretty; thus I've vowed to never be bound to relationship again, and have romance while still having freedom, being infidel to my heart's content and be honest about it to those I love).

I recall a chick named Marianne, and boy what a hotty she was! She was actually my good friend's sister, so I didn't say things out loud lest I damage the friendship. Frankly, me and the blonde never got along (also, she was from Glasgow, not that it mattered besides the point that we knew we'd never see each other again, me being Indian and all, while she'd stay for only six months or more). We fought; each time she saw me she'd frown and remark offensively about my looks or personality, and I did the same. We had completely different tastes, we cared about completely different things, our thought wavelengths were, you guessed it, completely different, and she was physically violent! o__o" She'd hit me with a frying pan when cooking, a wrench when she's fixing her brother's bike, pummel me with books if I didn't agree with her, and once even tossed an armchair at me!

The main cause for her strength was her brother teaching her Jiu Jitsu in order to help her defend herself against thieves and sorts. But it looked like I was also categorized as a "villain" in her book, while I often called her a "witch". But I don't really know what happened one day, as out of the blue, she kissed me.

Things seemed to tense up after that. She hated me even more than before, ignored me, and at the same time I couldn't stand her nerves. Then she came one day AGAIN when nobody was around, kept her head on my shoulder and fell asleep. Hell she even named me after a bird I kept one rainy day, saying that only she was allowed to "call me by such an adorable name."

It's a bit complicated to explain, but we were actually close friends. Pretty close. Really, really close. Turns out she mocked me because she had fun doing it and that she liked me, while I teased her to get back at her, coz she's a brat, and also partially because I couldn't really express how I felt about her. Hell, we knew each other more than we knew ourselves, and shared so much not an ordinary bloke would share with a mere friend. I still remember those blue eyes I found myself lost in, and the smell of her neck, the feeling of her hair... Hearts pounded, words left unsaid...

Too bad I can't see her ever again. It's already been years now, and she's probably moved on with her life.

Oh well, how about paneer tonight! *rubs his hands*
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on January 25, 2011, 04:44:45 pm
You certainly have a creative imagination!

I wonder where you came across the word "chick" in that context. That has a disparaging connotation you might not be aware of. "The blonde" is also pretty dubious.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on January 25, 2011, 05:58:04 pm
You certainly have a creative imagination!

I wonder where you came across the word "chick" in that context. That has a disparaging connotation you might not be aware of. "The blonde" is also pretty dubious.
:lol: You have every right to be dubious (I think that means doubtful?) for this is internet, after all.

She did name me after a bird, a nickname which is also my penname today (I'm not going to say "what" that name is yet; I'd like to surprise her out of the blue when I publish the book), and the wounds of that frying pan and stick still ache my bones at the thought. @_@" I remember she'd kick me if I was down and wouldn't stop until I'm in good spirits again. Well, that's her way to care about people I suppose. XD

Also, the term "chick" may not be common for folks in my city (over 90% would rather speak in Hindi/Marathi), but it's a habit Harry placed on me, and I admit I caught on to his style of speech. It's not really offensive if you say the word in front of girls you know and respect, at least not where I'm at. As for "The Blonde", let's just say she's one of the few Blonde's I've actually ever seen with my own eyes. xP


P.S.: One thing I would like to apologize for is the way I dramatize (is that a word?) everything. It's actually the way I look at the world. XDDD It's one helluva crazy story.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on January 25, 2011, 09:01:40 pm
On one hand, I definitely agree with this, but to extend the discussion a bit, I tend to think mystery is a crucial aspect of love. Not that you don't know the person, but I'm inclined to say that part of what you know is how deep and, in certain ways, unknowable they are. Having an SO for this long, I'm in no hurry to know everything about him. I enjoy the process of discovery. Just idle thoughts, though.  

I completely agree with you.  I think that the more you know someone, the more you realize just how much there is to discover about them, and the more you realize just how fascinating and deeply-layered they are.

XD Did somebody say "Love at first sight"? Funny thing is (I'm not trying to be sexist, if discriminating your own sex is sexist, just that it's a psychological fact) most guys, upon meeting a girl, make up their mind at first sight (or meeting) whether the girl they saw was "doable". Romance and intimate relationships come after, let alone any kind of tension.

Knew that.  I think that's pretty common knowledge.  Contrary to popular belief, I know quite a few women who do the same thing when they meet men.

Personally, I've always seen true love as something "fun". When you really LOVE someone you'd have the best time with them, more than anybody else in the whole wide world. Doesn't mean you don't fight, of course (which was modestly pointed out by Saj XDDD), but life happens when you least expect it.

Well yes, love can be very fun and you do have a great time / the best time ever with them, but I would never describe love as "fun" because to me that brings connotations of love somehow being easy and silly, which is just untrue.  I'm not trying to be a pessimist, but loving someone can be very difficult and very frustrating.  It is not easy.  It can certainly be a blast, I won't deny that.  My boyfriend is my best friend and I have more fun with him than anyone else.  But too many people fall under the fairytale assumption that love is easy and nice and safe, and then are in for a rude wake up call when they realize they're wrong.  Love is great.  It's fantastic.  But it isn't easy.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on January 25, 2011, 10:52:40 pm
I hate limits. If I really wanted to go all in and destroy sexism, I'd need to make a lot of important plans for my future set on amassing the most power and influence possible to do the most good. And that would lead to the furloughing of several of my personal ambitions for happiness in this life. Don't get me wrong; improving humanity is one of my dreams, but it's not the only one.

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I arise in the morning torn between a desire to improve the world and a desire to enjoy the world. This makes it hard to plan the day.

In my case, it's existentially paralyzed me. I can't plan beyond getting the experience of living in another country. It's like a war of selfishness and ethics; how selfish will I allow myself to be while still considering myself an ethical person? Every moment for my happiness is one stolen from the illumination of humanity. What kind of person will either path make me become? Damn. I hope being in Europe 3 months helps me think about this...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Trebuchet on January 26, 2011, 01:38:58 am
Well said, Z. I have so many ambitions that I can't fit them into my short life.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Syna on January 26, 2011, 01:41:18 am
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Knew that.  I think that's pretty common knowledge.  Contrary to popular belief, I know quite a few women who do the same thing when they meet men.

Pretty much!

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 But too many people fall under the fairytale assumption that love is easy and nice and safe, and then are in for a rude wake up call when they realize they're wrong.  Love is great.  It's fantastic.  But it isn't easy.

Yeah, it's like Thought's quote: everything is so much scarier and darker and more frustrating and difficult than you could ever imagine; and why would you want it to be any differently? If you're going to grapple, really grapple, with the presence of the soul of another person in all its complexity, struggle is inevitable.

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Every moment for my happiness is one stolen from the illumination of humanity.

Those are intertwined goals, I think. You make humanity better by living a meaningful life. But maybe that's my copout answer; I think about that dilemma a lot myself. But I do believe that improving the world at the expense of a meaningful life is tragic, not a grand sacrifice.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on January 26, 2011, 03:59:57 am
Damn...

I know there's some optimal solution, too, but like they say, the only way to give 110% is to have luck on your side. (Yeah, ripped it off from Fallout 3.)

I guess I just find it hard to ethically live with myself, in that case. It's hard to champion some cause like a hero, when it's subordinate to your personal ambitions...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on January 26, 2011, 12:00:37 pm
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I arise in the morning torn between a desire to improve the world and a desire to enjoy the world. This makes it hard to plan the day.

In my case, it's existentially paralyzed me. I can't plan beyond getting the experience of living in another country. It's like a war of selfishness and ethics; how selfish will I allow myself to be while still considering myself an ethical person? Every moment for my happiness is one stolen from the illumination of humanity. What kind of person will either path make me become? Damn. I hope being in Europe 3 months helps me think about this...
Gawddarvit! That's exactly the way I've been feeling! Just as I mentioned a friend, "the world tells me I'm not working hard enough if I have to achieve my goals whether I like it or not, but my soul tells me I'm working too hard and that I should chill out and enjoy the fruits of life. Art demands patience, but I'm not really rich enough to stay patient and think things over with calm mind. No matter how much time I make, I still keep getting distracted and frustrated, which eventually resulted in destroying my focus and capabilities to remember things well. Walking a thin line between selfishness and ethics, I feel like a ridiculous excuse for a human being.

But even this worthless human being isn't giving up; not till I'm drained of every last breath in me. Every person sees one side of truth without being able to see another, thus I have no intention of changing people's mentality, but rather point out the world's flaws and beauty in satires or artistic, entertaining way.

Just hope luck favors ya, mate! You've got lotsa things to do and even more things to see.  :D The universe is a pretty gigantic ballroom and beauties lay mysterious behind masks, waiting for their gentlemen to find them and dance with em.

@Syna: Sorry, I just got a bit worried. XD Although I do know some awesome stories outside cinemas starring chicks, almost any "movie" I've known of the same kind actually was a chick flick, so I'm sorry if I unintentionally offended someone. I'll take a look at this Black Swan.


And now for my own rant...

Ah, an aspiring animator's biggest dilemma! I really REALLY love 2D animation, but each time I visualize a scene it's from a 3D perspective with cameras moving in ways which are impossible to implement in any 2D production. I try my best to integrate them both at the same time, but in vain. I really wonder how the Japanese/Dreamworks do it. I really wonder how Ghost in the Shell - Stand Alone Complex was made.

Speaking of which, Gurren Lagann didn't use any 3D-mode and still pulled off realistic and interactive environments. Problem is that it was a big budget anime. XDDD I'm just one man with zero budget!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Syna on January 27, 2011, 04:10:11 pm
"the world tells me I'm not working hard enough if I have to achieve my goals whether I like it or not, but my soul tells me I'm working too hard and that I should chill out and enjoy the fruits of life. Art demands patience, but I'm not really rich enough to stay patient and think things over with calm mind. No matter how much time I make, I still keep getting distracted and frustrated, which eventually resulted in destroying my focus and capabilities to remember things well.

I feel you here, with the distractibility and the need for time you don't get to develop your art. I also struggle a lot between goalseeking and chilling out -- not just in the whole "the world wants me to spin my wheels" kind of way, though the world certainly does; but even in terms of my own goals... I have so many dreams and aspirations, but sometimes they feel cumbersome. What's the point if you aren't enjoying those fruits of life? I don't want goalseeking to get in the way of living-- but life doesn't feel complete or fully worthwhile without those goals.

Even if I wanted to be focused on achieving goals, I would be too distracted by my love of life to do so; even if I wanted to be completely content with everyday life, I'd still be restless as hell. Not precisely what you guys are talking about, but I think it's related.

This lecture on everyday happiness vs. satisfaction crystallizes it all for me--
http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/779

But perhaps this is okay; in the words of William Blake, "without contraries there is no progression."

And yay for life-as-a-masquerade-- I quite agree! Perhaps the key is to enjoy it all for the roaring, messy, blistering drama that it is. The Hindu model of life as a cosmic play makes more and more sense to me these days.

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@Syna: Sorry, I just got a bit worried. XD Although I do know some awesome stories outside cinemas starring chicks, almost any "movie" I've known of the same kind actually was a chick flick, so I'm sorry if I unintentionally offended someone. I'll take a look at this Black Swan.

It's no problem, it was just worded a bit unfortunately. ^^ From what you've said, I think you will enjoy the movie!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on January 27, 2011, 05:40:12 pm
But perhaps this is okay; in the words of William Blake, "without contraries there is no progression."
Finally! A William Blake fan at the Compendium! (Besides Thought and me, of course) 8D

I guess one of my biggest frustrations is my is my incapability to remember things, which now even hinders my creativity. I'm a person of thought, running a chain of analysis and philosophies through observations in my mind, but when all is done I kinda... forget everything. Nevertheless, certain fragments of conclusion remain in my subconsciousness, while I intuitively appreciate what life's actually about. For instance, I never study for exams, can't remember anything I studied; I just KNOW what's correct and what's wrong, and I've forgotten how I knew it in the first place.

But still, certain of Blake's verses do inspire me though:

Love seeketh not Itself to please,
Nor for itself hath any care;
But for another gives its ease,
And builds a Heaven in Hell’s despair.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on January 27, 2011, 10:48:21 pm
Finally! A William Blake fan at the Compendium!

Finally?!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on January 28, 2011, 06:47:19 am
Finally! A William Blake fan at the Compendium!

Finally?!
xDDD Like I said, I've never really seen anybody else quoting Blake out here besides Thought.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on January 28, 2011, 07:55:24 am
Quote from: The French Revolution: A Poem in Seven Books by William Blake
Then the Abbé de Sieyes rais'd his feet
On the steps of the Louvre; like a voice of God following a storm,
      the Abbé follow'd
The pale fires of Aumont into the chamber,
      as a father that bows to his son;
Whose rich fields inheriting spread their old glory,
      so the voice of the people bowed
Before the ancient seat of the kingdom and mountains
      to be renewed.
"Hear, O Heavens of France, the voice of the people,
      arising from valley and hill,
O'erclouded with power. Hear the voice of vallies,
      the voice of meek cities,
Mourning oppressed on village and field, till the village and field
      is a waste.
For the husbandman weeps at blights of the fife,
      and blasting of trumpets consume
The souls of mild France; the pale mother nourishes her child
      to the deadly slaughter.
When the heavens were seal'd with a stone, and the terrible
      sun clos'd in an orb, and the moon
Rent from the nations, and each star appointed for
      watchers of night,
The millions of spirits immortal were bound in the ruins
      of sulphur heaven
To wander inslav'd; black, deprest in dark ignorance,
      kept in awe with the whip,
To worship terrors, bred from the blood of revenge and
      breath of desire,
In beastial forms; or more terrible men, till the dawn
      of our peaceful morning,
Till dawn, till morning, till the breaking of clouds,
      and swelling of winds, and the universal voice,
Till man raise his darken'd limbs out of the caves of night,
      his eyes and his heart
Expand: where is space? where O Sun is thy dwelling?
      where thy tent, O faint slumb'rous Moon?
Then the valleys of France shall cry to the soldier,
      'Throw down thy sword and musket,
And run and embrace the meek peasant.'
      Her Nobles shall hear and shall weep, and put off
The red robe of terror, the crown of oppression,
      the shoes of contempt, and unbuckle
The girdle of war from the desolate earth;
      then the Priest in his thund'rous cloud
Shall weep, bending to earth embracing the valleys,
      and putting his hand to the plow
Shall say, 'No more I curse thee; but now I will bless thee:
      No more in deadly black
Devour thy labour; nor lift up a cloud in thy heavens,
      O laborious plow,
That the wild raging millions, that wander in forests,
      and howl in law blasted wastes,
Strength madden'd with slavery, honesty,
      bound in the dens of superstition,
May sing in the village, and shout in the harvest,
      and woo in pleasant gardens
Their once savage loves, now beaming with knowledge,
      with gentle awe adorned;
And the saw, and the hammer, the chisel, the pencil, the pen,
      and the instruments
Of heavenly song sound in the wilds once forbidden,
      to teach the laborious plowman
And shepherd deliver'd from clouds of war, from pestilence,
      from night-fear, from murder,
From falling, from stifling, from hunger, from cold,
      from slander, discontent and sloth;
That walk in beasts and birds of night,
      driven back by the sandy desart
Like pestilent fogs round cities of men:
      and the happy earth sing in its course,
The mild peaceable nations be opened to heav'n,
      and men walk with their fathers in bliss.'
Then hear the first voice of the morning:
      'Depart, O clouds of night, and no more
Return; be withdrawn cloudy war, troops of warriors depart,
      nor around our peaceable city
Breathe fires, but ten miles from Paris, let all be peace,
      nor a soldier be seen!' "
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Syna on January 28, 2011, 12:18:53 pm
Hurray for Blake! His poetry mythology is a constant source of mystery and wisdom to me. I've hardly exhausted his catalog, but I feel that's kind of a life project of mine-- his cosmos is a dense one. I haven't touched him in awhile, though-- I need to get through The Four Zoas; it's just so damn hard to absorb everything he's saying.

One of my dearest memories was the first time I took a certain hallucinogen, back in 2007 when I was taking my first class on Romanticism. I loved the Romantics before, but that class took it to a new level: it was basically a religious conversion experience. I had brought this book to a friend's house: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/23910.William_Blake

I was in the middle of a conversation with said friends, beginning to feel the effects, when I suddenly turned to look at the book.... and it had, as you may expect, become quite literally illuminated. It was fucking awesome. WB was amazingly onto something, poetically, philosophically, and artistically.

(I'm really pleased that the Romantics have such a presence at the Compendium, btw, though given the themes of the Chrono series that's hardly surprising.)

And I love his political poetry! He was not afraid of the cost of liberty. What impresses me the most about that though I think is that he was so wholly in support of the American revolution. My prof mentioned that he may have even foreseen that it would inspire the French, in certain ways.

BTW, if you like Tarot, you may be interested in this deck: http://www.facade.com/tarot/william_blake/ It's reworked based on his mythology-- the images are a little subpar for copyright reasons, but it's really extraordinarily well-done. I bought it awhile ago and it's actually the only deck I actively use anymore.

<- can talk about WB all day long. This should not be in the stuff you hate thread!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on March 03, 2011, 02:44:55 pm
I hate to see promising people collapse into religious fundamentalism because of trauma in their life, or an existential crisis.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Manly Man on March 08, 2011, 11:57:41 am
I was just reminded last night how much I hate epilepsy. Had two big seizures and didn't get out of the hospital until four this morning, and now I have a terrible headache.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: GenesisOne on March 08, 2011, 12:55:18 pm

How much has William Blake been an influence in my life?

About as much influence as Big Bird and the Keebler Elf.

Sorry about that headache, Manly Man. Here's best wishes for you to conquer it.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on March 08, 2011, 03:12:34 pm
How much has William Blake been an influence in my life?

About as much influence as Big Bird and the Keebler Elf.
Haha that's funny, because a part of me today is all thanks to William Blake's influence (my in my new thread later).

Man, Manly Man! Hope nothing's too serious.

As for me, I hate myself REALLY REALLY MUCH for for stammering and forgetting words! >< Each time I'm in the middle of a conversation with someone in real life my mind tends to go completely blank, breaking any thoughts I had in my head, and I begin chirping nonsense like a friggin ******. Even when a conversation is low in stress, something too casual, I keep forgetting words (even the simplest of them, like "paper" or "basket") and stammer, uttering embarrassing sounds of broken words that people have a hard time understanding me.

That doesn't mean I have that stammering disorder or anything (damn, what was that called...), because most of the time I'm fluent in English (but not in Hindi, which is why I Slum-Speak/Mob-Speak). But this just happens randomly any friggin time, even if I'm prepared for it, which makes things worse.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on March 08, 2011, 10:28:23 pm
That doesn't mean I have that stammering disorder or anything (damn, what was that called...)

It's called stuttering, or stammering.

Have you ever considering going to a speech pathologist?  Even if you don't have a stutter, it sounds like it happens often enough to warrant going to a professional.  My mother is a (very good) speech pathologist and has done wonders for people.  A similarly talented speech therapist could probably help you out a lot.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on March 09, 2011, 02:43:24 am
Yeah, it's often like rushing places, stumbling on rocks and falling headfirst on the round; often happens when I try to explain myself properly.

Speech Pathologist, aye? (And yet another coincidence!) Thanks! I'll see if there's any of those docs in my city. I'll try to get an appointment.


Ranting more hate here:
Almost a year ago, my brother wanted to learn music. He showed some serious dedication there and was stubborn to learn it, but always sought quality with whatever he used. He sounded bad? He blamed it on his soundcard (most retarded idea I've ever heard). He wanted a guitar so he could practice day and night. Being an older brother I understood this and thought I'd save up my salary and buy him one. Many friends, on the other hand, and especially my boss kept warning me that my brother wouldn't stay dedicated for more than a month and that buying him an instrument is just a waste of money. I didn't listen to them and bought him one anyway.

A month passed and he couldn't get the hang of the guitar. I recommended some classes, but he didn't like the idea. Another month passed and he was more interested in Warcraft and Ragnarok more than his Guitar. Yet another month, and he had completely forgotten it. I asked him whether he practices his guitar, and he lied to me he always does, but mom says he's never touched the guitar since the purchase.

A year passed, and yesterday I saw his good friend Shalin playing his own guitar at the cafe wonderfully, and I asked him if he's willing to teach my bro, which he agreed to. Today, I asked my brother whether he's willing to learn from his friend, to which he said he's lost interest in the guitar. I asked him, "then why the hell did you buy it in the first place?"

Wrathfully, he tossed a bottle cap at me and screamed, "Mind your own business! Quit ruining my mood in the morning!"

Ruin his mood? I wanted to tell him how much this statement hurt me. I put faith in his dedication, spent my hard earned money for him to fulfill his passion, and it lays abandoned like a toy he's long forgotten. And he tells me I'm ruining his mood? I wanted to tell this to his face, but realized arguing about it would be pointless.

I've learned a valuable lesson: Never trust anybody, and don't go out of your way when it comes to kindness. Also, most of the time the experienced folks like your boss or some older friends are right on their opinions.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on March 11, 2011, 05:44:04 am
I am so, so, so worried about the terrible tsunami.  I have a very good friend who lives close to where it just hit in Japan, and I cannot get a hold of her.  I have friends who live all over that area and I am sick with fear and worry.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on March 11, 2011, 06:49:13 am
O______O

Try calling, pronto! If the disaster did strike somewhere that close then chances are they won't be able to reply for a bit (ya know, trying to survive and helping people), but it's worth a try. Hope they were able to evacuate in time.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on March 11, 2011, 07:52:16 am
I have tried calling.  Nothing.  My boyfriend's sister also lives in Japan (she's in the military and is stationed there).  D has been trying to call her, but nothing from her either.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on March 11, 2011, 11:38:31 am
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-- All public transport, rail, air, port and mobile services were shut down. Schools are providing shelter to stranded commuters

Saj, I know I'm not in the position to ask you to calm, but if she is outside Honshu/Sendai range, no matter how close, there's a high possibility that she's alright. At least I hope so. Mobile services will be out for quite a while, which is why she may not be able to stay in communication. Once they're up, or if she gets the opportunity, I'm sure she'll attempt to contact you.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Licawolf on March 11, 2011, 12:00:32 pm
I am so, so, so worried about the terrible tsunami.  I have a very good friend who lives close to where it just hit in Japan, and I cannot get a hold of her.  I have friends who live all over that area and I am sick with fear and worry.

Oh god...I just saw it on the news before going to work. I'm afraid I can't offer much help, but I really hope all your friends are ok.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Ramsus on March 11, 2011, 12:34:15 pm
I have tried calling.  Nothing.  My boyfriend's sister also lives in Japan (she's in the military and is stationed there).  D has been trying to call her, but nothing from her either.

Not sure how helpful this may be to your particular situation, but I'm posting it here just in case:

http://japan.person-finder.appspot.com/

Best of luck to your friends. Hopefully they're all okay.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Syna on March 11, 2011, 04:08:16 pm
Another quake. This is brutal.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on March 12, 2011, 08:40:24 am
D's sister finally got in touch with him and the rest of their family.  She is okay, thank goodness, the only thing that happened in her area is that they lost power.

Not sure how helpful this may be to your particular situation, but I'm posting it here just in case:

http://japan.person-finder.appspot.com/

Best of luck to your friends. Hopefully they're all okay.

Thank you so much.  I will use that right away.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on March 12, 2011, 10:28:11 am
 :D See? I'm glad things worked out well for you guys.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on March 18, 2011, 10:59:31 am
Hah! DraftSight (Beta) has been released for Ubuntu!  (http://www.3ds.com/products/draftsight/download-draftsight/)Time to flex my skills a bit beyond simple art design and direction to architectural knowledge. Ahead of me I see a massive road, miles and miles across, further ahead meeting the sky. And all throughout the road lay fruits, just begging to be eaten. Good, aye?

Well, there's a reason I've posted this in a "Stuff you hate" thread. Despite the vastness of the road, I feel like I'm trapped in a cage. As if my wings have been bound. I feel suffocated and uneasy, yearning to run, dreaming to fly, stealing the sunlight that quenches the sky. I just wanna give a big "Fuck You" to everyone and just work on what I love doing, but I can't do it without guilt.

On top of that, coincidentally, Mom wants to buy a couple of sparrows as pets. Caged birds... The thought of it makes me cringe!

Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kodokami on March 30, 2011, 12:40:02 pm
My parents gave me permission to try a shot of alcohol (vodka, of all things) on my brother's 21st birthday. Damn, that stuff is awful. Like downing pure rubbing alcohol. How does anyone acquire a taste for that?

Also, this (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/loadingreadyrun/2938-Bros-Clubbing-Bros) is the worst game I've ever agreed to play.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on March 30, 2011, 04:00:06 pm
My parents gave me permission to try a shot of alcohol (vodka, of all things) on my brother's 21st birthday. Damn, that stuff is awful. Like downing pure rubbing alcohol. How does anyone acquire a taste for that?

Also, this (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/loadingreadyrun/2938-Bros-Clubbing-Bros) is the worst game I've ever agreed to play.
Welcome to adulthood.  :lol:Reminds me of my first time takin beer with my folks, and it was so strong and so awful I wondered the same thing you do right now. I preferred sodas to alcohol. But somehow, little bit at a time, I'm beginning to develop taste for standard beer. Still wanna try Scotch Whiskey, though, just to see how it tastes. And let's not forget Applejack!  8)

I don't get that video, but I'm guessing you got into a drinking game? XD
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Mr Bekkler on March 30, 2011, 04:17:41 pm
yeah i hate vodka... unless it has juice in it.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Syna on March 30, 2011, 04:29:56 pm
Drink some "girly" drinks (i.e., with juice) and get a taste for it. I hated the taste until I had some water mocassins. Even my brothers, who are as much beer connoisseurs as they can be in their early 20s with limited income, hated everything but really, really girly stuff for a long time.

Shots are really only worthwhile when they're a communal bonding thing, in my opinion. And even then they don't taste good!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: GenesisOne on March 30, 2011, 04:44:06 pm

 :picardno

I hate how Hollywood is doing a live-action remake of Akira. The following changes have been made, which I type out as if thumbtacks were protruding from each individual key that I press:

1.  They're moving the setting from Tokyo to New York City.
2.  They're making it an all-white cast.
    a.  Tetsuo is now Travis, Kaneda is now Kevin and Akira... who knows?
3.  The only animation in the movie is of the CGI variety.
4.  They'll be young adults instead of teenagers
5.  It's going to be about 9/11 instead of post-apocalyptic living.
6.  It's going to be a two-parter.

It's almost as if their current trend is to make as many failed Asian-to-white adaptations as possible. Well, here's what I say:

(http://noteconnection.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/frustration_phone.jpg)

Screw you, Hollywood!!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Mr Bekkler on March 30, 2011, 04:57:03 pm
That's Leo DiCaprio's project IIRC, and Spielberg is about to do the same thing to Ghost in the Shell. Hollywood is constantly looking for the next big "fad" that will make it a ton of money, ie. movies that don't have to be good that people will go see anyway because of the name. The good news is, this means they don't spend too much time on any one "fad" before moving on. So they're not likely to make a Fullmetal Alchemist movie starring Ben 'Aflak' and Matt Damon as the Elric brothers or something remotely that bad of an idea (oooh, Pokemon starring Justin Bieber!), but they're gonna take something before they go.

"Parody" movies died down mostly, "disaster" movies are pretty much over. With Speed Racer and Dragonball failing at the American box office, I doubt Amerikira Part 2 will ever be made. The "superhero" genre is distinct in that it is successful commercially. I think general american audiences don't understand these asian to white translations very much. I think it's due to the eastern and western storytelling styles, I don't think they are easy to match up and these movies could be good, but the western style they try to inject just makes it even more weird than originally intended (Akira WILL be interesting if nothing else) and more difficult to grasp.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on March 30, 2011, 06:50:56 pm
Drink some "girly" drinks (i.e., with juice) and get a taste for it.
Nah. Not sure about Bekkler but I have to pass.  :cry: I once asked a friend what Gin tastes like, and he said, "It's a chick's drink, and I'll kill you if you order that." Sorry, I'm too young to die. XDDD (If I sounded sexist, sorry, but that actually is the truth)

I hate how Hollywood is doing a live-action remake of Akira. The following changes have been made, which I type out as if thumbtacks were protruding from each individual key that I press:
Yeah, read about it on Cracked today too. Never seen the movie but have heard about it. It's a shame Hollywood has turned into those cheap retailers who sell crap with a "take it or leave it" sign. I really wonder how many competent directors/producers are actually struggling to make masterpieces (like, ya know, Stanley Kubrick).

Spielberg is about to do the same thing to Ghost in the Shell.
I hope at least Spielberg doesn't mess this up. He did a good job adapting Crichton's "Jurassic Park", so I'm hoping GiTS would be awesome.

With Speed Racer and Dragonball failing at the American box office...
Speed Racer? o_o Daww, I loved that movie! What a nostalgic feeling it was too...

I think it's due to the eastern and western storytelling styles, I don't think they are easy to match up and these movies could be good, but the western style they try to inject just makes it even more weird than originally intended
Not entirely true, because with enough ingenuity it's possible to integrate eastern stories with western ideas and techniques, and I have been successful in doing so. It's just that those people who adapt are mostly into quick and easy "money" and thus don't choose to try integrating/writing or are horrible at doing so.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Syna on March 30, 2011, 08:49:11 pm
Nah. Not sure about Bekkler but I have to pass.  :cry: I once asked a friend what Gin tastes like, and he said, "It's a chick's drink, and I'll kill you if you order that." Sorry, I'm too young to die. XDDD (If I sounded sexist, sorry, but that actually is the truth)


Gin has a long and noble history of intoxication and causing moral panics. As utterly absurd as it is to divide drinks by gender to begin with, gin does not deserve that label!

Any drink that has a "Craze" named after it is pretty respectable in my book: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gin_Craze (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gin_Craze)


Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Mr Bekkler on March 30, 2011, 09:03:49 pm
I didn't say it coulldnt be done, tushantin. Just that it's not getting done by american filmmakers.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on March 31, 2011, 12:52:24 am
My parents gave me permission to try a shot of alcohol (vodka, of all things) on my brother's 21st birthday. Damn, that stuff is awful. Like downing pure rubbing alcohol. How does anyone acquire a taste for that?

I love vodka.  Love, love, love it.  My sister and I drink it straight.  It definitely gets some taking used to, but I've been drinking it since I was 12, so...


I once asked a friend what Gin tastes like, and he said, "It's a chick's drink, and I'll kill you if you order that." Sorry, I'm too young to die. XDDD (If I sounded sexist, sorry, but that actually is the truth)

Gin is most definitely not a "girly" drink where I live.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Mr Bekkler on March 31, 2011, 01:07:48 am
One handle gin, 2 3-liters of generic lemon lime soda, tons of ice, chopped up real lemons and limes, and a cooler on a porch with a pouring spout makes GinBucket.

Those were fun times. People doing "Bucket Stands" in competition. The problem isn't the alcohol at that point, it's the ice. You get 10, maybe 15 seconds. It was dumb, but it was also fun. Everyone was at least 21. :-P
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kodokami on March 31, 2011, 04:30:33 pm
I love vodka.  Love, love, love it.  My sister and I drink it straight.  It definitely gets some taking used to, but I've been drinking it since I was 12, so...

More to ya then. I want none of it. :o

I might try a "fruit" drink sometime, but how about I wait til I'm of actual drinking age.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on March 31, 2011, 06:04:03 pm
Stuff I hate? Stuff like this. (http://www.switched.com/2011/03/18/rebecca-black-friday-4-chan-operation-black-friday/)

As much as I support internet vigilantism for good causes (like exposing a pedophile priest or spamming the king of spams), this shit to an innocent person is bad. Sure, even I get headaches listening to that song, but she doesn't deserve to have her life ruined!

I always thought that the Anonymous were rad, but if they have the heart to pull this off then I might lose respect for em. Charlie Sheen, Tailor Swift and Justin Bieber were undeterred. Let's hope she pulls it through.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on March 31, 2011, 06:38:02 pm
I always thought that the Anonymous were rad...

They are anarchists, or at best the mob. They should be abolished.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on April 01, 2011, 05:08:56 am
I always thought that the Anonymous were rad...

They are anarchists, or at best the mob. They should be abolished.
:lol:Sometimes Anarchism is a dang good thing which influences freedom at the extreme, hindered only by your personal will power and beliefs. People can choose to be awesome in radical ways.

But when you consider them as "The Mob", I'd have to agree; they have to be abolished. I'm more in support of intellectual individuals than simple-minded mobs. Reason for my support of Anonymous was that there were a few radical minds in there, such as hackers fucking with the officials who imprisoned Lt Bradly when they found he was being mistreated.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on April 01, 2011, 05:15:03 am
Doing the right thing for the wrong reasons is not a virtue, and cannot be trusted to produce consistent results in the future. There is no such thing as "good" anarchy, ever, and any good outcome from anarchical methods is a coin toss. Only in the most brutally intolerable and short-term situations is it defensible, and even then only with caveats. Life under anarchy is dangerous, unpredictable, and dehumanizing.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on April 01, 2011, 05:55:06 am
Doing the right thing for the wrong reasons is not a virtue, and cannot be trusted to produce consistent results in the future. There is no such thing as "good" anarchy, ever, and any good outcome from anarchical methods is a coin toss. Only in the most brutally intolerable and short-term situations is it defensible, and even then only with caveats. Life under anarchy is dangerous, unpredictable, and dehumanizing.
Just what I thought you'd say. Thanks! I'll keep that in mind. Gonna add this quote of yours to mah Basket Notepad. xD
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Syna on April 01, 2011, 11:40:39 am
Thanks for the reminder that 4chan is populated by people that cannot be described in polite language. I really felt hopeful about them after the Scientology debacle, but meh.

(What on earth is with all this Rebecca Black hate, anyway? She's just a 13 year old kid. I realize that autotuned-to-hell pop music is irritating and lamentable, but come on, tween stars are hardly a new thing. Spend that energy supporting good music!)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: alfadorredux on April 02, 2011, 02:50:22 pm
Practical jokes in general, April Fish Day[1] in particular, and people who think I'm a spoilsport for hating both. If you'd spent most of your childhood being the butt of versions of these jokes that were meant to be cruel rather than funny, you wouldn't like them either.

[1]I have no idea why, but in French, it's actually called that ("Poisson d'Avril"). Thankfully, it's now over for another year.

As for Anonymous, they occasionally serve a socially useful function by attacking individuals or groups that are technically legal but morally reprehensible, but since they seem to choose their targets on the basis of how annoying they find them rather than how nasty they are, the useful function is more a product of coincidence than anything else.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on April 02, 2011, 03:52:50 pm
Practical jokes in general, April Fish Day[1] in particular, and people who think I'm a spoilsport for hating both. If you'd spent most of your childhood being the butt of versions of these jokes that were meant to be cruel rather than funny, you wouldn't like them either.
Aww come on, everybody's a fool, at least once, in that day. XDDD

Except it's not cool when you play one on William. Harry's old friend William is a charmer, but an Alpha in social groups. Some moron glued his pen (thus ensuring his embarrassment at the university) and swapped the toilet keys when he needed to go bad, just to make an April Fool out of him. How did he get his revenge?

That night when the bloke dropped by to his girlfriend's house, he saw his girlfriend waving at William, who had been stepping out of her house (with his clothes and hair a bit messy and a wide grin playing across his face). He looked at the guy and said, "April Fools; she's hot!" <------ Biggest kick in the balls.

Of cause he didn't really sleep with her, but the scare was enough to let him know not to mess with the big guys. Poor guy spent the whole night drinking in depression.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kodokami on April 06, 2011, 02:19:25 am
Had to tell a close companion I could no longer be their friend. Long story short, I have lost the ability to trust this person. I hate it, but that's life. At least I am learning.

This about sums up what I feel. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG-puk2mFvU&playnext=1&list=PL5AAEFC9333713837)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on April 06, 2011, 02:34:59 am
Sorry to hear that, Kodokami.  I've had very similar experiences, and it really is awful.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: GenesisOne on April 06, 2011, 02:55:19 am

Sorry such a thing happened to you, Kodo.

Trust is a most difficult thing to forge in a friendship, platonic or otherwise. In fact, one could say that it's one of the basest elements of any friendship. Without it, there's simply no way you can ever believe anything that person promises/commits him- or herself to doing with you ever again. This is probably one of the reasons why it's hard to make new friends. Mostly because it's not only an investment of one's time (you're never going to get those years of good memories), but also an emotional investment (all the good times you both had isn't going to erase the fact that you were betrayed).

Depending on who it was that you separated yourself from, may I recommend this little music video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWhpk-8QLFQ)?

I find it to be the perfect tongue-in-cheek breakup song.

Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on April 06, 2011, 03:07:35 am
Aye, you're learning, and it will pay off in the long run so long as you reflect upon life's experiences and draw lessons from them.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Syna on April 06, 2011, 11:42:56 am
That's a truly awful thing to have to do to a friend, but better that it ended now and won't become even more dysfunctional, right? I'm sorry, nonetheless.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kodokami on April 06, 2011, 12:26:21 pm
Right. To be honest, I had seen it coming for a while now. Things just finally went a step too far, and I had to end it. I won't fret though.

Thanks everyone for brightening up my day. Especially that video. Weird Al makes me laugh. :lol:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Bard_of_Time on April 07, 2011, 10:21:42 pm
I hate high schoolers.

I'm a senior in high school, so as April gets into full swing, I'm getting ready to get the hell out of my school. One can only take so long of being in high school, you know. I've been accepted to two universities and plan on moving as far away from here as possible (while still not going anywhere near where my brother goes to school... Sam is a whoooole nother story) and, having been drilled with my father's sense of duty, I still try. Senioritis will not take me!

However, I cannot say the same for my peers. I have two courses that I NEED to take and pass to graduate and go to a university. In one of my courses, the other students need to take and pass it as well. They don't particularly care, but it's a small group, so it doesn't get too crazy. In the other class, it's a very... VERY... stark difference. Up front is myself, Robin, and Lucia (they're cool girls). Two rows back is the REST of the class. They talk, they sing (not very well), they yell across the room, they have no clue what they're doing... and god help you if you ask them to shut up so you can hear the poor teacher. I feel sorry for the guy, actually...

In any event, after I leave that particular class, I need to make my way to my next class (or to lunch, depending on the day). It is the longest trek I have to make on a regular basis, and also the most aggravating. You see, there is this ONE intersection right by the stairwell. People are going in the stairwell. People are going out of the stairwell. People are going towards the science rooms. People are going toward the lobby. Amidst all this, there is a group of people who just kind of... STAND there. They don't walk slowly (I get enough of that in the hallway and I've learned the art of the gentle shove), they don't walk and talk. They just stand. They greet their friends, who then stand with them. They all just kind of stand, and god help you if you so much as LOOK at them funny. They're the... well, they're the really bad kids, the kids who basically are there because otherwise Rev. Hughes will come to your house, wake you up, put you in his car, and BRING you to school. (yes, our truancy officer is a reverend. Don't ask.)

Fortunately, the fourth quarter of the year has just started. I no longer have to go to one of the classes that I despise, and instead get to go to a class where I sit and doodle. The only drawback is that it is now a very long trek to my next class, but at least it's manageable.

Plus, the math teacher is smokin'.  :wink:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on April 07, 2011, 11:13:31 pm
Hate to tell you this, but you'll find a lot of what you wrote in college too.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Bard_of_Time on April 07, 2011, 11:20:38 pm
Hate to tell you this, but you'll find a lot of what you wrote in college too.
  :shock:

I don't know why that would be like that. I mean, sure, some kids go to college just to paaaaartay, but why would you goof off in a class you're actively paying money for? It doesn't make sense!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on April 07, 2011, 11:34:41 pm
What's really surprising is the number of paper airplanes you might even find being tossed around in grad school classes! It never truly ends.  :o  Maybe it's the stress?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on April 08, 2011, 12:01:05 am
I don't know why that would be like that. I mean, sure, some kids go to college just to paaaaartay, but why would you goof off in a class you're actively paying money for? It doesn't make sense!

I've been asking myself that same question ever since I started attending college.  People are so annoying.  >/
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Bard_of_Time on April 08, 2011, 07:41:34 am
I don't know why that would be like that. I mean, sure, some kids go to college just to paaaaartay, but why would you goof off in a class you're actively paying money for? It doesn't make sense!

I've been asking myself that same question ever since I started attending college.  People are so annoying.  >/
Yeah... I talked with my mom about this and she told me something that happened to her while in college.

My mom went to college sometime after I was born, so she was already in full mommode. One of her professors had a very, VERY pronounced accent, but knew what he was talking about. In one of his classes, a student decided that he would explain what the professor was saying so that everyone else could understand it. While the professor was still talking. So my mom excuses herself, turns around, glares at the guy, and says, 'Excuse me, but when I'm paying you $10,000 a class to lecture, I'll pay attention to you. But for right now, Professor Whatshisname is speaking.'

Can't believe that had to happen in a college setting... :o
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on April 08, 2011, 11:05:11 am
...However, I cannot say the same for my peers...
Haha, I can feel you pain (how old are you, by the way?), and I agree that April First at the least is gonna be one hellish day. But despite that, I actually look forward to it. It's creative. It's devilish and evil. But mostly, it's fun.

A word of advise, mate: People soak knowledge faster than they can cultivate their social skills, so just because you need to pass your school or survive in the world doesn't mean you shouldn't socialize in the silliest ways possible. In fact, right now you NEED to live that way, and (science says) that will extend your life span way beyond what you can imagine. School days are contradictory, and much of it depends on you on having fun and studying at the same time. If it means to pester your friends, if it means to sing aloud in class, this is what will make you the happiest person in the world (there's a long explanation to this, but I can't be bothered to write an essay right now).

If you deny social skills and the art of silly-living right now, your chances of succeeding in life decline steeply even when you're pursuing a career. But that doesn't mean you have to quit studying either: it's just that schools are quite limited to the knowledge you can soak up. Believe it or not, I've learned more about Art, Literature, Science and Politics at Chronocompendium than I ever would have at school. I never even attended college! XD I know that sucks, but it's more of a monetary matter than my personal skills...

And if you're wondering if I was a delinquent at school for ill-advising you like this, you're mistaken. I was actually a topper (one of the three best students in every class I've been in), but before languages other than English were introduced. My only handicap was my dyslexia; with the help of my aunt, I managed to master my disorder and conquered English, thus excelling in every subject thrown at me. But when Marathi, Sindhi and Hindi were introduced, I had to start from ground zero by focusing on them entirely, and lost my skills with other subjects like Math and English. This resulted in me barely passing High School.

I sourly miss those days when kids used to be free despite the pressure of studying and examinations, because we had a blank cheque to good around as we pleased, even in class. Teachers swore at us, and we mocked them for it. Sometimes they relied on us smart kids to try outwit the new teachers, and sometimes we succeeded, sometimes we were thrown outta class. Most of teachers made us stay silent in class when they were around. Then we had a teacher who encouraged us interact with each other and, especially, with him because that's how we learn better. He encouraged us to socialize, to share ideas. He even helped us learn Physics by dancing like Hrithik Roshan and Michael Jackson. He gave analogies that were more common place than strange ones in the text book, (like a person's pain is directly proportional to the momentum of the kick you hit him with, with the addition of what he said about your mom) and nobody failed his class. Ever.

So remember: make the most of your time you have now, because once you're out of college you'll never see those beautiful days again. There's no "Summer Holidays", there's no "playing hooky", and especially no "pranks in the office".  :shock: You'll have to divide your life into "Office Time", "Social time" and "YOUR time".

What's really surprising is the number of paper airplanes you might even find being tossed around in grad school classes! It never truly ends.&nbsp; :o&nbsp; Maybe it's the stress?
No, it's art! xD Origami! Join em. And if your teacher catches you doing the same, explain to her that you were merely analyzing the symmetry and aerodynamics of the crafted plain and how it could maintain its flight, acceleration and ascension via properly calculated curvature of the wings.

Reminds me of the time I was at High School and knocked at my friend's door at exam time so he'd play soccer with me, then his neighbor got out and screamed at me to go home and study, not waste time on childish and useless sports. I asked him and how the brain functions, and he recited the whole thing exactly as you'd find it in a text book, and when I asked him to explain that in detail and methodically, he got cocky but wasn't able to. I told him, "The potential functioning of the brain depends on fresh oxygen, and scientists told us to play sports so we can study better, so STFU!" You shoulda seen his face! xD

Plus, the math teacher is smokin'.&nbsp; :wink:
Hah, I hear ya, bud! Except my substitute English teacher was; my Math teachers were dudes.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Bard_of_Time on April 08, 2011, 03:00:56 pm
I'm about 18 now, in answer to your first question.

I know that studying and fun should come together. It helps me relax, honestly. At the same time, though, it feels like you should respect a teacher. I mean, they went to school four extra years and they put up with us. That earns you some kudos and maybe some quiet time. So it just... IRKS me when people are talking loud and shouting and singing when the teacher is explaining the day's activity, and then they turn around and ask me what we're supposed to be doing.

I like to bring up good things whenever I rant. As I was heading from crapclass to awesomeclass, I learned something. Apparently, the boys who hang around at the intersection had grown to be quite the problem. So now there stands Mrs. Rodriguez, one of the strictest hall monitors we have. She just kind of stands there, glowering at the students. I got to awesomeclass right on time.

Another good thing: we finished up our solar-powered carthings in crapclass (it's an Earth Science course), so the teacher took everyone outside to make sure they worked. My little car went all WHIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR across the tennis court, and when we went back inside... everyone was just... relaxed. It was QUIET. It might have had something to do with being full of food or just getting some outside time to just relax, but it was glorious.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on April 08, 2011, 04:22:57 pm
Looks to me you like things peaceful. xDDD Good! Good! People have their own preferences. *cough*easytarget*cough*

Yes, I do know what you mean. Being a teacher is a tough job. Their salaries are low, need to learn things perfectly before they teach, can't bunk like their students, and especially trying their best to educate the future of our society.

Except not all of them are competent enough to do so. No matter how tough a teacher's job is, you can't expect just any hard worker to get on it. Their frustrations play a big game on the morale of their students, and their personality and method of teaching influences them for years to come. Sometimes the way they get about things is absolutely wrong, and for some others, they don't really care what they're learning because all they care is to make students recite something and get it over with half-assedly. I have no respect for these kinds of teachers, because they're better off doing something else. Anything else. And trust me, though I've respected all teachers in my life, the one I'm currently studying under is an asshole, watching her own back, never correcting herself or acknowledging her mistakes, hating anybody talking back at her, and just doesn't care about innovative ideas. She places the blames of her own irresponsibilities upon us and gets away with her authorized position.

Of course, that still doesn't mean students should hold a grudge against just any teacher; that's just wrong. But mocking them doesn't always mean we don't respect them.  8) Gone are the days when we kids were sincere and regarded their teachers with utter discipline. We live free! And if a teacher gets angry about it, remember this: a powerless dog barks a bluff. I've seen it. Still, we always look up to them and are grateful of them for putting up with our BS.

If you're pestered folks, then there's something a friend of mine has taken to heart: if you can't beat em, join em. You see, this is where that "socializing" comes to play. It's easier to make enemies and laugh while they're in misery, but it's more profitable making friends. You don't have to kiss anybody's ass, just show em some respect.  :wink: Anybody bullies ya, make friends with him and buy him a coke once, or even invite him over sometime. If someone's being an asshole, try being considerate and help him out without expecting anything in return. There's a friend of mine, a weird one, who has befriends the world when he sees people, whether they're thieves, rich fellas, poor fellas, geeks, slumdogs, etc. and is capable of handling situations just with his charisma. But try not to depend on them most of the time, otherwise you'll either have a chance of spoiling yourself or being betrayed. Just make friends with your enemies, and show them respect, no matter how much you despise them; it's getting out of trouble that counts.  :D So keep an eye out.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: alfadorredux on April 08, 2011, 05:13:30 pm
tushantin, recommending that kind of strategy for dealing with bullies is dangerous in ways you may not realize, because when it fails, people are encouraged to blame the victim rather than the bully ("If you'd just tried harder..."--sound familiar?). And in my experience, the normal result of trying to befriend the bully in a real bullying situation is to have him laugh in your face. Not only that, but by advising the victim to knuckle under and laugh along, you're asking him to acknowledge that the bully is right. That can be crippling to someone whose self-esteem is already damaged.

The appropriate response to bullying is to create a culture in which it isn't respected--by anyone--and therefore doesn't flourish. Unfortunately, this is more difficult than it sounds, because most punishment-from-on-high approaches to curbing the problem are counterproductive: from the bully's point of view, such an approach just amounts to him being bullied by the administration, and chances are that he'll immediately turn around and pass it on. (Telling the victim to "just suck up and take it" is even worse--that's blaming the victim again. A bully's victim has no real influence over what happens, because bullying has nothing to do with the victim--it's about the bully's need to feel superior to someone. Yes, bullies usually have damaged self-esteem, too. That doesn't excuse them hurting others.) As a general rule, there is nothing a victim of bullying can do to fix the prevailing culture, but bystanders can help do so: all they have to do is tell the bully that he's being a jerk/disgusting/not cool.

Any solution that is not genuinely just to all parties involved is not acceptable when dealing with bullying. Unbalanced band-aid measures just make the problem worse for the next victim.

(Yes, I was a victim from the time I started school until I was about sixteen. I got a lot of bad advice like yours, and all of it ended up making the situation worse. This is not a laughing matter for me.)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on April 08, 2011, 06:41:36 pm
@alfadorredux: You misunderstand my point. You don't make allies with the nation that just nuked you. You make allies with them before they nuke you. Way before! You're right, just asking a bully that bullied ya to have coffee with your mates will make a laughing stock out of you unless you know what you're doing (or unless you're an Alpha), and these times you usually need support or try to strike peace with the guy. Thing is, antagonizing someone who may be stronger and more influential than you can crush you and your life harder than you can expect, but if manage to get on people's good sides before that happens, chances are you can not only avoid being bullied but also influence the bully to have a change of heart subtly when he/she's in a good mood.

I've known this guy Charles who had a bad habit of grabbing a bat and breaking people's bones. I thought I oughta punch him, but then decided to befriend him when I met him by chance. He wasn't really in a nasty mood, which is why I found no reason to avoid him. Soon enough, he turned over a new leaf.

Just because things don't work out doesn't mean it's a bad idea. The key is to be able to reason backwards rationally. Think about it: if you were a bully, who's ass would you kick? Someone really scared of you and avoiding you like you're a monster, or someone who's comfortable around you and treats you with respect like a friend? Bullies don't like to be lonely, no matter how much of a jerk they are, and depend on some kind of support whether it's money or a comrade. And also ask yourself: if a person can your leg, would you rather antagonize him or have him on your side?

Of course, this is just my tried and true opinion, but you have every right to reject it when concerning with your own life. In the end, the decision is always yours.


P.S.: If you're still not convinced and would wanna stay safe, the answer is always simple: befriend several strong folks who aren't as bad as they look. Either that, or a heck load of friends. That way, the bully will think twice than to humiliate himself.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: alfadorredux on April 08, 2011, 07:41:48 pm
At best, I would consider your suggestion to be violating my principles in order to protect myself (and we won't get into what I would feel it was at worst--I've already deleted one extremely vitriolic reply that wouldn't have accomplished anything useful (not even making me feel better)). To put it mildly, that is something I would not be happy doing.

I think our backgrounds are probably too different for us to ever see eye-to-eye on this issue.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: CuyahogaRiver on April 08, 2011, 09:21:27 pm
Katy Perry sucks
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on April 09, 2011, 04:15:20 pm
@alfy: Generalizing or categorizing concepts, substances and people is usual to simply deducing and recognizing what poses a threat and what's useful. It's good for safety, but not useful enough for longterm evaluation, because this trait can be  misused.

Just like you're doing here. I'm not aware of your experiences with bullies, but human mind is complex and not all bullies are as bad as murderers or 4chaners. It's completely fine if you don't share my views and would rather stay safe, but your heavy prejudice and discrimination makes me wince. I couldn't really imagine someone as smart as you could generalize people to this extreme; it's like saying saying all geeks are losers at life. It's completely wrong.

People make enemies, and getting along is farfetched. But just because a person is a bully doesn't mean he's an enemy or wrong by default, nor is he likely to stay a bully forever (in fact, only few remain that way). I have also been a victim, and at times became a bully for two whole grades. Then I met some hardcore douchebags who are benevolent, loyal friends today despite their growing pride and differences between us. One's an artist, one working for charity, and another owning a hotel. Remember: Always prefer details when need be. Life isn't a fairytale and you certainly cannot point out the wicked witch in just a glance.


P.S.: My point to the whole argument is this: socialize. Believe it or not but great social skills are an ultimate suite of tools that has the potential to conquer a nation (read: Kim Il Sung)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: alfadorredux on April 09, 2011, 08:32:32 pm
<Sigh> I don't recall saying anywhere that the average bully was an evil person. Most of them are victims too. However, that doesn't excuse them doing things that would be legally actionable if they were adults, and rewarding their bad behaviour is odious.

P.S.: My point to the whole argument is this: socialize. Believe it or not but great social skills are an ultimate suite of tools that has the potential to conquer a nation (read: Kim Il Sung)

Tell me, tushantin, are you trying to push my buttons?

...No, I take that back: you're probably just an extrovert. You enjoy being with people, and you can't understand that for some people, it causes severe stress even to be with people they like. And so you unthinkingly reinforce society's systematic discrimination against introverts. It doesn't matter in this world how smart you are, or how talented: if you can't bear to spend most of your time around other people, you're toast. No decent job, because the only way to get a more-than-entry-level job is through fucking "networking", and according to the paradigm you're presenting, no safety, either, because loners don't deserve to be safe, do they?

Do you have any idea how much human potential is wasted because of that fucking nonsense?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Syna on April 09, 2011, 09:10:56 pm
Do you have any idea how much human potential is wasted because of that fucking nonsense?

I am more sympathetic to your view than tushantin's, and much more regarding bullying, but how would you have people live? I don't think there's a viable alternative paradigm to learning how to socialize, and I say this as a fundamental introvert.

I've seen a lot of introverts hide behind the label to avoid the difficult work of learning how to adapt. I know why they do it, and people do need to become more respectful of those who need more alone time than others, but I also think it's a copout.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on April 09, 2011, 11:44:24 pm
Oooh, there are considerable economic implications to alfador's argument. A job interview is already tough enough for a fundamental extrovert; I can just imagine how this process weeds out qualified introverts. Do you feel that reliance on Internet communication and texting may be easing this burden on introverts any? Or could it, potentially, if used in a certain way?

Sometimes I wonder what it's like to be in high school nowadays; the media gives me this impression that teenagers in the US live in little bubbles, incessantly texting each other. But it doesn't seem to have done much in the way of lessening the impact of bullying judging from the number of high school suicides related to bullying. Even the Internet seems a prime place for it to happen; maybe it's even easier to bully people when you can do it from miles away, and the psychological impact on the victim isn't necessarily less for the distance.


As for how to respond to bullying, there were times when I found great success in handling things similar to how tushantin suggests; but those instances were mostly minor misunderstandings that could be cleared up pretty quickly with a burst of honesty and good feelings. For the most venemous, repeated situation I had a problem with, it stopped only when someone with enough clout intervened. I think this is the key to what alfador's trying to get at with the culture idea: it's really up to the sports stars, the class presidents, or just the average joe who can call on a network of friends, to put the smack down on bullying when they see it. Responsibility is the price of privilege. I tend to think the continued problem with bullying is a result of our failure to communicate that message to student bodies.

Yadda, yadda. That's what I believe, at least for now.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: alfadorredux on April 10, 2011, 08:54:31 am
Interviews are very, very bad, yes, but just getting to the interview stage, in an environment where the majority of job openings are never publically advertised (which means that the introvert is much less likely than the extrovert to even hear about them) is equally bad. For me, email helps a bit because it means I don't have to react in realtime and so can drop the conversation and come back to it when I'm feeling more able to deal with it; others' mileage is likely to vary.

By "culture", I wasn't just referring to the other students--they're only 50% of the equation--but the school administration as well. Punishing bullies directly may not work, but there are other simple measures that can reduce the problem, such as making sure that the bully and his victim are kept apart as much as possible. If the teachers and admin staff believe that bullying is "normal" and the victim should just "suck it up"--that is, if they're into blaming the victim too--not only can they make things worse through boneheaded enforcement of the wrong policies, but the attitude will tend to percolate down to the students (even if the students will never admit it).

(Edit: I hate making stupid typoes that completely distort the meaning of a sentence. ;P )
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on April 10, 2011, 02:28:40 pm
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...No, I take that back: you're probably just an extrovert. You enjoy being with people, and you can't understand that for some people, it causes severe stress even to be with people they like. And so you unthinkingly reinforce society's systematic discrimination against introverts. It doesn't matter in this world how smart you are, or how talented: if you can't bear to spend most of your time around other people, you're toast. No decent job, because the only way to get a more-than-entry-level job is through fucking "networking", and according to the paradigm you're presenting, no safety, either, because loners don't deserve to be safe, do they?

Do you have any idea how much human potential is wasted because of that fucking nonsense?
I'm not an extrovert, but you're not the first to assume that I am. I'm an introvert from the get go, someone who wants to take things easy, enjoy life while doing nothing. I don't enjoy being with people. Most of the times I have internal arguments with myself that I'm incapable of explaining to someone whether or not they're interested. I'm also selfish. Devilishly selfish. And yet I know all this is wrong! Life is precious, and I can't spend it on a chair! I constantly force myself go out. I constantly pressure myself to meet up with strangers and polishing my social skills, try turning some associates into trustworthy friends, expose myself to the outside world no matter how cold; all because I know the importance of it. I need to LIVE! I need to DREAM! And the more I do this, the more natural and confident I feel about it.

And you know what? I don't give a rat's ass about the concept of introverts and extroverts. The simplest idea is to do what you're comfortable doing. Nevertheless, I'm not reinforcing anything, just stating the facts. Loners are safer than socially active folks, but they're not better off. And talent alone is useless unless you have good social skills or know the right people.

Life is all about meeting the right people. Don't like it? Neither do I. But just because you don't like something doesn't mean it doesn't fucking exist. You see most of uneducated capitalists? Social skills and some experience. Uneducated, corrupt politicians? Social skills. Kim Il Sung? Fucking social skills!

And let me tell you some stories: Beetles wouldn't have been famous if they didn't meet an agent to whom they had to sell out. Wright brothers would have been hammering bicycles all their lives if they didn't get the genius of one guy who actually designed the schematics of a plane. I went to an interview and showed my talents well, but the job was given to a lesser talented bloke who could speak better than me and was more diplomatic. My boss was the first to successfully expand Venky's at Goa, but he couldn't reap the rewards of his hard work thanks to some envious folks who talked their way into his position. He was being constantly demoted despite his talents, and in the end he resigned. His brother's a talented musician and famous at average, but the reason he's not known throughout the nation is because he hasn't met a godfather to cash-in.

And it doesn't end there, really. But think about it: human evolution depended on society, on being bonded, on communicating and interacting. On sharing knowledge. If you fail to communicate, what kind of a human are you? That said, even though I have a voice, even though I am sane, I find it difficult to interact with people. I make a joke, but unintentionally offend someone. I try to explain, but somehow people misunderstand me. But I don't go hiding inside a shell like a turtle. I'm going to change this world so it can recognize sheer talent when it sees one. Yet talent depends on efforts, and people won't understand you unless you can make them understand you.It's a jumbled up, fucked up world we live in.

Secondly, it's all science. There have been research on human behavior, and it turns out that people who are more actively social live longer, have better mental and physical health, are happier, more successful and more tolerant to pressure, stress and what have you. Then again, it makes sense. How are people more peaceful here at India and there at America than those people at Afghanistan? Why is there an ongoing racial war? Because India and America have racial diversity, thus making people more tolerant to differences, whereas places like Afghanistan have at most two similar races and this makes them violently intolerant to other races.

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<Sigh> I don't recall saying anywhere that the average bully was an evil person. Most of them are victims too. However, that doesn't excuse them doing things that would be legally actionable if they were adults, and rewarding their bad behaviour is odious.
You didn't say it, but you didn't imply that. When I said "socialize with bullies" I was assuming that the person I'm talking to is intelligent enough to differentiate between them, seeing which of those bullies could be socially helpful despite the annoyance factor and which other is a psychopath. It's obvious doing bad things cannot be justified easily, but tell me, how many of your friends haven't done something seriously awful? Let me be frank: in my life I've done some horrible things, from ruining someone's life to breaking someone's leg with a hammer, locking a kid in a room for a whole day to giving someone a heart attack. I've even been called a Devil in sheep's clothing, and it's frightening how I'm capable of overpowering people without the need of physical strength. Till this day I regret my actions in the past, but people still tell me today that my good outweighs the bad. People still look up to me like I'm some great guy, even though I'm not sure what kind of bullies you've experienced in your life, but I doubt they're any worse than me.

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By "culture", I wasn't just referring to the other students--they're only 50% of the equation--but the school administration as well. Punishing bullies directly may not work, but there are other simple measures that can reduce the problem, such as making sure that the bully and his victim are kept apart as much as possible. If the teachers and admin staff believe that bullying is "normal" and the victim should just "suck it up"--that is, if they're into blaming the victim too--not only can they make things worse through boneheaded enforcement of the wrong policies, but the attitude will tend to percolate down to the students (even if the students will never admit it).
I'm not really supporting bullying actions, but I do agree that things like that are normal. Even more common than any sort of crime, like murder or theft. That doesn't mean we shouldn't do something about it: we, as a society, need to strive in making the world a safer place. And yet bullying isn't remotely as destructive as murder or armed robbery and controlling these circumstances are relatively easier with some help. Some bullying have led to suicides, and those are extreme cases which need to be taken with utmost care (yet, suicide is a coward's way out).

But kept apart as possible? Wait a second, simple peer pressure is also "bullying". Are you telling me you get worked up when someone calls you a Skunk? Would you complain if someone keeps poking you with a pencil? Would you cry if someone punches you? Alfy, you're better than this. Be a man. These exact kinds of pressures are necessary to make a person tolerant to social life, which is even more dangerous as you grow up. Keep a kid away from "all the bad kids" and he's likely going to grow intolerance to any sort of offense, even by close friends. They will also lack the capacity to calmly and intelligently deal with these kinds of pressures, making even the smallest of deals to lead them to suicide.

That said, as much as every human being requires social skills, you don't need to master it or anything. Introvertism is a good thing, as you begin to focus on things more important than socializing, and this has brought lots of progress to our world. Just a handful of necessary skill is essential to get you through things. You don't have to go out of your way to meet strangers, but just know enough to behave and evaluate. Treat everyone in life like a goddamned criminal, and you're screwed. Try hiding from it all, and you're also screwed. So where do you go?

Quote from: Sherlock Holmes
"I think there's always danger, wherever you go. You can either ignore it or wrap yourself in blankets so it doesn't hurt you, or you can walk towards it and dare it to do its worst. If you do the first thing then the danger takes you by surprise. If you do the second thing then you spend your time swaddled up in the dark, letting the world pass you by. The only logical course of action is to go towards the danger. The more you get used to it, the better you can deal with it."
Meh, there was a lot I wanted to say, but my head's achin...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: alfadorredux on April 10, 2011, 03:21:54 pm
@tushantin: Y'know, I could have predicted certain points of your response.

Shorter you, as far as I can tell: "Okay, the system is a little broken; here's how I think people should live with it to minimize the damage to them."

Shorter me: "Okay, the system is broken; it needs to be fixed so that the brokenness stops hurting people unnecessarily."

In effect, it's an argument between "is" and "should be", and it isn't the first time I've had one.

As far as I'm concerned, being safe from unprovoked attack--and bullying is generally an unprovoked attack--is a fundamental human right. Children do not lose that right simply because they're unable to articulate it or because the scale of their problems is usually small.

Being emotionally fragile does not prevent a person from being valuable to society, either. Being a great scientist or (especially) a great artist doesn't require the same amount of emotional resilience as being a political leader or a captain of industry. The stuff you're spouting is functionally the same as the arguments people used to use (and in some places, still do) to avoid making concessions to the physically disabled.

Oh, and, by the way--that macho-sexist phrase "be a man"? It's another social evil in and of itself, and just dropped my estimation of you by a couple of points. One person should not be required to be tougher than another just because he happens to have convex genitals and she doesn't.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on April 10, 2011, 04:06:40 pm
@Alfy: You can't fix something when you can't/won't learn adapt to it. You can't fix the Great Wall of China if you can't climb it. You can't fix Gentoo unless you know how it works (and you do know that). You need to learn the workings of the world to master that knowledge and skill, go to the top and change it for the better. You can't just yell from a couch and expect people to listen to you. Specialists are in need for things like that, and you can't send a handicapped person to fight a war for you; the best they can help is their own way, or some desk job, NOT valiantly risking their lives in areas they have no experience in. And this isn't discrimination, mind you. What else are they supposed to do?

I'm not talking just about emotional resilience, but actual social interaction. There was an article once by Andrew Pryce, and he stated that the best way an artist can be recognized is to market his work, regardless of talent. No matter how good you are, people won't recognize you if they don't know you. The more you expose your art to wide range of networks the better your chances of being picked up by companies looking for talent. That doesn't mean the art can suck, of course. Just that you need skills AND social interaction to get around. Now ask me this: how many Chrono Trigger fans even know about Crimson Echoes? Even though it was amazing, only fans who have been within the range of the news, a few websites that posted the info, knew about it. When I went around dA to collect art, I was surprised to find that 90% of those fans didn't know about it.

Quote from: Alfy
Oh, and, by the way--that macho-sexist phrase "be a man"?
I may have mistaken you here. Are you a woman? If so, I apologize. I thought otherwise. If you're a guy, shame on you. Seriously. Since when did the term "be a man" become sexist? Am I actually asking a woman to grow a d**k? Am I asking a kid to grow a beard? Am I asking metaphors to be taken literally? No, I'm asking you to grow up.

The way you point out, it seems like the word "man" has recently become a slang. What do you call a matured guy, "Homo-Sapien-With-Chest-Hairs"? Or is there a new term? Let me enlighten you:
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(idiomatic) to "be a man about it"; to do the things a good man is traditionally expected to do, such as: taking responsibility for the consequences of one's actions; displaying bravery or toughness in the face of adversity; providing for one's family, etc.

In short, I was asking you to be mature.


P.S.: Here's a page.
http://www.topnews.in/health/socially-active-live-longer-loners-28681

And you can find a whole plethora of research data and other articles simply typing "Socially active live longer". I'm not as socially active as I need to be, and thus talking about this is quite shameful to me indeed. But I can't stand it when people call me a liar. "Functionally the same as the arguments people us" my butt!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Bard_of_Time on April 10, 2011, 04:57:49 pm
WHY CAN'T YOU TWO GET ALONG.

Man, I hate cravings. All of a sudden, I've had an insatiable craving for an orange float. Except we lack vanilla ice cream. Mom thinks it's too early to get ice cream, Dad is out on duty, Alex is working on something for the paper and Sam is currently watching Lavos coming out of the ground whilst shouting repeatedly 'HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT'. ... and I'm broke...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: alfadorredux on April 10, 2011, 06:40:12 pm
@Bard_of_Time: We're arguing because of a fundamental disagreement in values that neither of us wants to see the other have the last word about, and neither of us has yet run down to the point where we're willing to agree to disagree. (The chances of either of us actually persuading the other are, effectively, nil, especially since I get the impression that we're mostly talking past each other.)

@tushantin: I don't expect everyone in the world to have the skills to fix a Gentoo installation, either--that's basic division of labour. Yes, having people around with publicity skills is useful, just as it's useful to have people around who know how to manage accounts, or fix a car or computer. This does not mean that everyone should be forced to acquire that skillset (there is a bare minimum necessary to be able to rub along with other people, but it's far short of what you seem to think is required). You also seem to have this peculiar idea that introverts cannot be effective communicators--it's possible to be good at a thing, but also hate it and want to do it as little as possible.

Let me present to you a couple of reasons that the article you cite could be technically right and still not support your conclusions:

1. If the experimental sample was largely composed of extroverts (90% of the population, so unless they made a particular effort to search out introverts, that's extremely likely--and even if they did make that effort, they probably ended up with a substantial number of people with undiagnosed Avoidant Personality Disorder and/or social phobia, who are not necessarily true introverts and would skew any attempt at satistical modelling anyway because of the additional stresses they experience), then it has nothing to say about the emotional health of introverts.
2. Society places constant pressure on people who are different to conform. Extroverts may be hounding introverts into an early grave.

Aside from that, it is not your business to tell me how to live my life, unless something that I'm doing is harming you. A longer life is of reduced value (from my standpoint) if you have to fritter away the time you gain socializing anyway. Quality over quantity.

My gender is none of your business, quite frankly, and should have no bearing on the conversation. If it helps, think of me as a neutered cat. And I think we have very different definitions of maturity, as well. (Hint: I'm probably older than you are--it's been more than a decade since I picked up my second university degree. While I will grant you that that does not necessarily make me more mature, most of what I've been saying here has come from firsthand experience, not something I read in someone else's article.)

The analogy to the physically handicapped was one that I chose quite deliberately at the time, but I probably should have been more careful in my choice of examples. There is a class of invisibly handicapped people, whose problems can be anything from spinal damage to moderate arthritis. Because there is nothing visibly wrong with them, other people will frequently become convinced that they aren't really disabled, and therefore refuse to help them (usually presenting the excuse that the handicapped person is "being lazy"). You seem to be preaching a variant of this: that of course introverts can't possibly have as much trouble dealing with people as they claim, and even if they do, they should be forced to interact with people--after all, it's for their own good, and they shouldn't be so lazy.

...

I've been crying into my keyboard while typing every post I've made in this conversation, because that's what my skewed biochemical balance causes me to do under stress even when I'm on meds. You are reiterating a whole bunch of things that people have said to me over the years, basically with the intent of convincing me that there is something wrong with me (and there is, but it isn't that I'm doing anything wrong or not trying hard enough, it's that my brain chemistry is off because I don't produce enough serotonin, and I'm brittle even with medical intervention.) I am an introvert, yes. I also have a diagnosable physical problem that affects my social functioning, and that can't really be fixed, only sort-of stabilized. Your rhetoric is that of a person who believes that the world should not be safe for people like me, that we should be punished for something that we cannot help...and you have no way of telling if a randomly chosen introvert is like me, because people with problems like mine are usually shamed into hiding it. "Be a man," remember? Bursting into tears for no apparent reason isn't considered appropriate adult behaviour, and no one ever believes that you can't help it.

There is a range of ability in every human endeavour, from social interaction to singing in tune. Never assume that there are no outliers.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Bard_of_Time on April 10, 2011, 06:45:05 pm
@Bard_of_Time: We're arguing because of a fundamental disagreement in values that neither of us wants to see the other have the last word about, and neither of us has yet run down to the point where we're willing to agree to disagree. (The chances of either of us actually persuading the other are, effectively, nil, especially since I get the impression that we're mostly talking past each other.)
Okay so you're basically arguing for the sake of arguing and dredging up a lot of things that seem to be bothering you? I see...

To tushantin: Knock it off. Whatever it is you're bringing up (I'm just scrolling past at this point), stop it. Let this conversation die.
To alfadorredux: Back off. You don't need to give him a response, and that only makes the situation worse.

Stuff I hate: Watching my new friends bicker about something.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on April 10, 2011, 08:09:54 pm
Yeah, sounds like it's time to let bygones be bygones on this one. Though I must say, I sure appreciate some finer points that their argument has revealed about people's experiences, for what it's worth. I just hope the wounds opened to enable this conversation don't stay open long enough to outweigh the benefit of communication.


tushantin, I do want to make a remark on your question about the phrase "be a man". You asked:

Quote from: tushantin
Since when did the term "be a man" become sexist? ...Am I asking metaphors to be taken literally? No, I'm asking you to grow up.

And then the wiki reference reads thus:

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to "be a man about it": to do the things a good man is traditionally expected to do, such as: taking responsibility for the consequences of one's actions; displaying bravery or toughness in the face of adversity; providing for one's family, etc.

Already the problem becomes apparent in the language of that article: these are things traditionally seen as inherent within manhood, but not womanhood or within the being of people who prefer not to identify with either label. And yet, interpreted generally, these are good qualities for anyone to have. I don't think you meant it this way; the reason why the phrase is nefarious is because it carries the message regardless of the speaker's intentions. Language can betray the speaker because it belongs in part to the culture and not only to the speaker. That's my belief, anyway. Members of movements that aim to reclaim or otherwise gradually change the meaning of certain words and phrases would like to "have a word" with me themselves, perhaps.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on April 10, 2011, 09:34:26 pm
Okay so you're basically arguing for the sake of arguing and dredging up a lot of things that seem to be bothering you? I see...

That's basically 50% of the forum content, btw.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on April 11, 2011, 02:03:59 am
Bard_of_Time is right, we oughta knock it off. Alfadorredux has always been someone I've respected, and there's no reason to get into his/her bad looks. That said, arguements amuse and inspire me no matter how bitter they get, because (as FaustWolf describes) they open up various points the debater is exposed to, and I'm glad that I've learned a lot. As for the amusement factor, the irony that I was talking about "social skills" and losing my cool on the internet kind of made me chuckle.  :lol:

My apologies, Bard_of_Time and Alfy. No hard feelings.

@FaustWolf: I don't really care for unnecessary twisting of words, as they are simply means for people to get around. Taking a general term, a person becomes a "Man" when he matures from boy-hood, developing wisdom and sense of responsibility. The same can be said for a "Woman", and that doesn't really make it sexist. I really wonder why people would rather erecting illusionary literary barriers rather than face truth. Language should exist to make communication simpler, not complicate it.

Stuff I hate: As much as sympathize with certain classes, be it loners or religious, or whatever, I really hate people taking their position for granted. I wish these barriers were destroyed. No one classified as "loners" or "social elites", no "religious" or "atheist" fanclubs, no racial discriminations, no sex and tribal discriminations. And all that remains is just a single human being, man or woman, starting with nothing but conquering everything.

@Alfy: If you're interested in me replying to your post, let me know.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kodokami on April 11, 2011, 04:35:31 pm
While reading through this rather bitter debate, something of amusement caught my eye--

...and Sam is currently watching Lavos coming out of the ground whilst shouting repeatedly 'HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT'.

--and I couldn't stop laughing. :lol:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on April 11, 2011, 04:57:29 pm
WHY CAN'T YOU TWO GET ALONG.

Oh, rubbish. If all we ever did was agree with one another and agree not to discuss things where it turns out we disagree, it'd be like a nightmare. False pleasantness? Fake harmony? Creepy.

People ought to be free to express their convictions as long as they are willing to substantiate their arguments and refrain from bigotry. If that expression entails fierce confrontation, then so be it.

On this forum, you're better off not participating if a little dustup makes you uneasy.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on April 11, 2011, 05:06:05 pm
Oh, rubbish. If all we ever did was agree with one another and agree not to discuss things where it turns out we disagree, it'd be like a nightmare. False pleasantness? Fake harmony? Creepy.

People ought to be free to express their convictions as long as they are willing to substantiate their arguments and refrain from bigotry. If that expression entails fierce confrontation, then so be it.
For the first point, I'd say, "Totally!" XD

For the second, I think they can participate even without substantiating their argument. And if they follow them up with words like, "U MAD?" or "Problem?" or even "LOL U I TROLLZ", I think it makes us comfortable knowing that the moment we clicked the "Post" button we've already lost. 8) Problem?

@Kodokami: Hahaha! Don't tell me you didn't say that way when first seeing it!

....

Or was it just me and Sam? Bummer...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kodokami on April 11, 2011, 05:15:32 pm
@Kodokami: Hahaha! Don't tell me you didn't say that way when first seeing it!

....

Or was it just me and Sam? Bummer...

Actually, my first encounter with Lavos was at the Dead Sea, so my reaction was more of a dulled shock. I got a much scarier reaction from Chronopolis!


Something that I hate: losing track of time. Maybe a Chronopolis wouldn't be so bad...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on April 11, 2011, 05:33:39 pm
Ah, so you played Chrono Cross first! Now that you think of it, having the story explained to you first at Chronopolis and then witnessing it happen in CT would have give you... a strange feeling. A mysteriously... strange... feeling...

I guess that's a good thing Masato Kato didn't keep too many recurring characters and kept most of the story unexplained.  :D If new players played Chrono Cross first, they'd be in for a surprise at the prequel!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kodokami on April 11, 2011, 05:56:17 pm
Certainly a unique experience, having played Chrono Cross first. It was one of the first games we (my brothers and I) received for the PSX. At the time, however, none of us played past Viper Manor. We did not know Chrono Trigger existed; heck, we hardly knew what Final Fantasy was! A few years later though, I picked it back up and from then on played it almost religiously. I still remember the actual fear I felt from Chronopolis and the sympathy for the Dragon God and that final moment of success when the ending theme played...

But damn that info dump! "Who the hell are these kids anyway?!" :o
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on April 12, 2011, 02:23:23 am
This pisses me off to no end -- the Earned Income Tax Credit being rolled back in some US States (http://www.npr.org/2011/04/11/135320299/in-some-states-working-poor-would-pay-more-tax).

What really gets me riled up is this exact quip from a think tank spokesman:

...these transfer payments effectively rob very productive people and shift it to lower-income individuals...

I'll give him credit for careful wording, but the spirit of blatant class bigotry is still clear. What he really means to say is: These transfer payments effectively rob very productive people and shift it to people who are not as productive, and whose needs don't matter as much.

Thanks a ton for the kind 19th century Social Darwinist sentiment. All the people who are working at burger flipping joints to pay off college debt, and the former assistant managers with kids trying to make ends meet right beside them, don't even have time to complain about things like what this guy's proposing. Those low-income people are too busy being productive; what an irony.

Things like the Earned Income Tax Credit should become more widespread, not rolled back. This is one of the few things that appealed to the idealism of Republicans and Democrats alike, while having a solid economic rationale behind it. What the hell is this backward, hardline bullshit popping up all of a sudden?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on April 14, 2011, 05:56:26 am
Quote from: A waste of skin.
"Oh, so it was real rape...not the other kind where the guy has good intentions or is trying to give you pleasure."
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on April 14, 2011, 06:23:11 am
Sweet Lassi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lassi) tastes the sweetest when you've endured hardships in the heat. Goddammit! I curse myself for not working out today to enjoy Lassi at it's best!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Mr Bekkler on April 14, 2011, 02:13:45 pm
Quote from: A waste of skin.
"Oh, so it was real rape...not the other kind where the guy has good intentions or is trying to give you pleasure."

What a piece of shit! Who in their right mind assumes when someone uses the word rape, they MUST mean FAKE rape!? I'm pissed FOR you, Saj. SHIT.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on April 14, 2011, 02:33:09 pm
Yeah, that pisses me off to no end.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on April 15, 2011, 03:36:40 am
Gah, intense heat and partial insomnia. Kept waking up at nights and couldn't sleep soundly. I'm unable to think properly today, unable to differentiate between dreams and reality...

...Don't say, "OMG INCEPTION!!"
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Mr Bekkler on April 15, 2011, 03:40:53 am
...Don't say, "OMG INCEPTION!!"
WTF INCEPTION!!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on April 19, 2011, 11:48:02 am
Less of a hate and more of a screaming in fear like a sissy girl and hiding in a closet.

Republicans, Democracy, Literature, Personal Prejudice, blah bleh bloop! Forget the petty strifes. We've got much horrible things to worry about.  (http://www.cracked.com/article_19117_7-horrible-ways-universe-can-destroy-us-without-warning.html)

Also, not sure how many people this symptom applies to, but if your leg aches for more than a day chances are you're about to be sick. Symptoms after leg aches (just above the ankle) at dizziness, lack of energy and dehydration. ...Yeah, I've gotten sick.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Licawolf on April 19, 2011, 12:32:09 pm
We've got much horrible things to worry about.  (http://www.cracked.com/article_19117_7-horrible-ways-universe-can-destroy-us-without-warning.html)

"We spend all that money fixing the Hubble telescope and it repays us with promises of doom"  :lol:

Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: CuyahogaRiver on April 19, 2011, 06:48:50 pm
I hate CHRIS CHAN! GOD he is the MOST IRRATATING person EVER!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Licawolf on April 20, 2011, 12:02:11 am
I hate CHRIS CHAN! GOD he is the MOST IRRATATING person EVER!

Both Chris chan and his trolls disturb me and depresses me.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on April 20, 2011, 09:10:41 pm
Worst.Hangover.Ever.  -_______-
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on April 21, 2011, 01:27:27 am
One of my good friends was just admitted to a psych ward because she tried to kill herself, and I'm two time zones away.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on April 21, 2011, 06:21:54 am
One of our customers passed away. The old crow was retired Indian, although he had a US greencard, and gets his pension sent to him from there. Because of the currency value, he was as good as being rich here.

My parents run a home-catering, i.e. they offer food services to people (free delivery, no matter where they are in the city; dad's got a bicycle), and the guy was one of our customers. He was a regular customer with demands that were preposterous and unheard of, and often changed orders to something else at the last possible moment. His reason? "Restaurants can do it, so why can't you?"

Then a few months back he stopped receiving tiffins from us, preferring to go to a good restaurant not only because of the amazing taste of the food but also because it was convenient (price be damned, he was rich!). Funny thing to note was that no matter how clean and huge a certain restaurant is you can't guarantee that their kitchen and/or food was just as hygienic. The poor fellow died of jaundice.

Home-food may taste bland and simple, but is always prepared for the health of the family, because we eat whatever's left over of what's prepared for the customers. It's always healthy. So I guess this should be a lesson for most kids (and adults) in the world: Eat to live, not live to eat.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on April 21, 2011, 07:19:55 pm
Eat to live, not live to eat.

That moral doesn't follow from your story, and it's lousy advice anyway--on par with saying that sex should only be for procreation.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: GenesisOne on April 21, 2011, 08:17:15 pm

This is just me, tush, but judging from the outcome of your story, I'd have to say that the lesson here is...

No matter how powerful you are, you can always get too big for your britches.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on April 22, 2011, 05:18:56 am
XD I guess I should have clarified my statement. Eating out once in a while is good, but doing so everyday is hazardous to your health. Most people here know this, but rich folks disregard the health talk, saying, "Fuck you! I got a gym!" What's worse, the old guy wasn't nearly as healthy to fight off diseases resulting from bad water and oil from most restaurants.

There's nothing wrong with indulging in temptations so long as they don't ruin you (I know how bad Pizza is, but I still feel like buying a small one since the last time I ate was two years ago), but indulging senselessly like you've got nothing to lose? Looks like you still own your life to the devil.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: alfadorredux on April 22, 2011, 09:33:36 am
I experienced a bit of a disconnect when reading your original posting myself...and then I remembered where you're posting from.

In Canada, the States, and I expect most of Europe as well, any place offering food to the public (whether they're selling it or just giving it away) has its kitchens inspected by the government and held to a standard of cleanliness; if people get ill from food served at a given place on more than one occasion, they're likely to get shut down. From what you're saying, I gather that where you are, either such inspection does not take place, or it isn't reliable.

In other words, eating out here is generally no more dangerous than eating in.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on April 22, 2011, 10:32:36 am
I experienced a bit of a disconnect when reading your original posting myself...and then I remembered where you're posting from.

In Canada, the States, and I expect most of Europe as well, any place offering food to the public (whether they're selling it or just giving it away) has its kitchens inspected by the government and held to a standard of cleanliness; if people get ill from food served at a given place on more than one occasion, they're likely to get shut down. From what you're saying, I gather that where you are, either such inspection does not take place, or it isn't reliable.

In other words, eating out here is generally no more dangerous than eating in.
That's what I like about places like the States and Canada (but I did have doubts when a friend from the USA, working at McDonalds, ranted on how the chefs at work were irresponsible and unhygienic). Thing is, here in India there's no such thing as health inspection unless forced by the government. Most people HOPE the inspections never take place because each time it does, heavy bribery commences. Even those who fail the inspection tend to get an Okay from the inspector after they're given a few thousand bucks. Thus the inspection itself has little to no credibility here, because either the big guys convince the inspectors to eat some bribe, or the inspection himself/herself forces them to pay up if they wanna pass (even if there is nothing wrong with the restaurant).

What is even worse is that the fear of having a restaurant shut down is negligible. The Police won't bother inspecting if a person got ill, just because of their understanding, "If you don't want to get ill, don't eat out in the first place." They will only take action if someone big and influential gets ill, but the chances of that kind of a person coming to such a restaurant is unlikely; if they really wanna eat out, they'd prefer eating at REALLY exotic places like French Hotels (the guy who died was the rare "rich, but not that rich" type).

Consider our traditional Indian street foods which we were born to love: Wada Pav, Samosas, Dabheli, Bhel, Bhajia, Pani Puri, etc. They were so good nobody gave a second thought about hygiene. Even the foreigners love em when they visit. But all our opinions changed when we saw in the news the footage captured by an Indian girl: a Pani Puri hawker pissing on the same bowl he served people with. Let me be frank, I LOVE Dahi Puri (sweetened Pani Puri with some yogurt), but this footage killed my love for all street foods and fast foods.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on April 22, 2011, 11:14:39 am
That's what I like about places like the States and Canada (but I did have doubts when a friend from the USA, working at McDonalds, ranted on how the chefs at work were irresponsible and unhygienic). Thing is, here in India there's no such thing as health inspection unless forced by the government. Most people HOPE the inspections never take place because each time it does, heavy bribery commences. Even those who fail the inspection tend to get an Okay from the inspector after they're given a few thousand bucks. Thus the inspection itself has little to no credibility here, because either the big guys convince the inspectors to eat some bribe, or the inspection himself/herself forces them to pay up if they wanna pass (even if there is nothing wrong with the restaurant).

What is even worse is that the fear of having a restaurant shut down is negligible. The Police won't bother inspecting if a person got ill, just because of their understanding, "If you don't want to get ill, don't eat out in the first place." They will only take action if someone big and influential gets ill, but the chances of that kind of a person coming to such a restaurant is unlikely; if they really wanna eat out, they'd prefer eating at REALLY exotic places like French Hotels (the guy who died was the rare "rich, but not that rich" type).

Consider our traditional Indian street foods which we were born to love: Wada Pav, Samosas, Dabheli, Bhel, Bhajia, Pani Puri, etc. They were so good nobody gave a second thought about hygiene. Even the foreigners love em when they visit. But all our opinions changed when we saw in the news the footage captured by an Indian girl: a Pani Puri hawker pissing on the same bowl he served people with. Let me be frank, I LOVE Dahi Puri (sweetened Pani Puri with some yogurt), but this footage killed my love for all street foods and fast foods.

Sounds exactly like the Philippines.  -___-
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: alfadorredux on April 22, 2011, 11:25:05 am
I won't say that the inspection systems are perfect here either (I also know of at least one McDonalds about which horrific things have been said), but the threat of being shut down is usually taken seriously, and we don't have a culture of ingrained bribery--if you're an official, and you get caught taking obvious bribes, you're in big trouble. Of course, that doesn't mean that non-obvious bribes (in the form of campaign contributions, non-monetary gifts, and certain kinds of kickbacks) don't happen under some circumstances, but if someone asks for a straightforward wad of cash to overlook a legal violation, it's more likely to be a sting than a bribe request.

One minor point is that food-related inspections are not the responsibility of the police here--they fall under a completely different section of government, usually the same one responsible for hospitals and clinics, since it is, after all, a health issue.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: CuyahogaRiver on April 22, 2011, 01:34:53 pm
Sajainta
I will pray for your friend, I know what that is like. I hope she feels better soon!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on April 22, 2011, 05:31:01 pm
Alfy, your statements make me wanna move to US/Canada even more (and from Saj's statements, makes me wanna avoid Philippines). But if I do that, I'll morally consider myself a coward. I wish I could do something about this. I wish I had the power to change every rotten thing about this nation, but I'm just not cut out to be a politician...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on April 23, 2011, 04:16:19 pm
Enjoyed the new season of Doctor Who? Looks like Elisabeth Sladen (Sarah Jane Smith) will neither appear in the new season nor will she be able to enjoy it. It's really sad; she passed away at 19th April, 2011.

R.I.P. Elisabeth Sladen...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on May 02, 2011, 04:52:08 pm
The recent turn of events have saddened me. It's true that most of the terrorist attacks in India was from Pakistan, due to its ongoing war since the days of Independence, but I never discriminated against the nation as whole. Laden had been hiding at Islamabad, close to a military base, and yet their nation's leader kept saying he didn't know about Laden's presence. Then he probably also didn't know of the Pakistani military providing Laden sufficient resources and weapons, and hell probably even security. Obama knew this, and that's what made him keep Pakistan in the dark about the mission.

What saddens me is not the hypocrisy and lies of an allied nation. No, what saddens me is that Pakistan was once a part of the proud culture known as Bharata, of courage and patriotism, of dignity and humanity. The only thing that initially separated Pakistan from India was views motivated by caste, and the caste was influenced by a previous fallen empire of the Mughals. But at the heart of it all, they are still our brothers. Still Bharatiya.

It is sad. Imagine you, with all your patriotism, preach humanity, devote your life to peace and progress, always doing the good for the benefit of everyone you meet. And you have a brother, a dear brother you happily once embraced and had good times with, but now who has devoted his life to slaughtering millions.

Shall I blame Gandhi for this? Shall I blame the Mughals? Or shall I blame the same wrathful and proud culture of both our nations? I have no idea who to blame. I have no idea how to bring them close again.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Licawolf on May 05, 2011, 11:03:15 am
 I hate traffic circles. I'm learning to drive, and traffic circles don't make it any easier <_<
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on May 05, 2011, 10:08:35 pm
Do you mean the actual little landscaped circles they put in the middle of some residential intersections to slow down traffic? Those will help you improve your steering and get a better feel for where all the parts of your car are at any given time.

Or did you mean roundabouts, those large circular roadways designed to regulate intersections in lieu of stoplights?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on May 06, 2011, 12:11:16 am
D and I live next to a roundabout, which everyone calls the suicide circle.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Licawolf on May 06, 2011, 01:58:19 am
Quote
Or did you mean roundabouts, those large circular roadways designed to regulate intersections in lieu of stoplights?

I think I meant a roundabout, sorry   :oops:

There's one in my way to the office, and it's the only part I still find very difficult to drive through. I'm sure they were designed with a purpose in mind, but I still don't like them   :P
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on May 08, 2011, 10:29:21 am
It's Mother's Day.

I hate Mother's Day.

Not because I don't love my mother--because I love her with all my heart.

It's because I miss my daughter.

She would have turned seven in October.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on May 08, 2011, 01:54:26 pm
It's Mother's Day.

I hate Mother's Day.

Not because I don't love my mother--because I love her with all my heart.

It's because I miss my daughter.

She would have turned seven in October.

I'm really sorry, Saj. That's a lot of hurting and longing for what should be a festive day.

I don't enjoy Mother's Day because my mine and I had a terrible relationship when I was growing up. I can relate to your lack of enthusiasm. What I can only imagine is your loss. =(

I hope you find some measure of peace today, and always.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Manly Man on May 08, 2011, 04:13:15 pm
I hate the very thought of this idiotic bill (http://thinkprogress.org/2011/05/04/house-gop-hr3/) and the fact that people actually support it. I doubt one could even call them people anymore.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Licawolf on May 08, 2011, 05:00:50 pm
It's Mother's Day.

I hate Mother's Day.

Not because I don't love my mother--because I love her with all my heart.

It's because I miss my daughter.

She would have turned seven in October.

I am sorry to hear of your loss, Sajainta. I know that a mother never gets over the loss of a child, but I too hope, at least you can find some peace today.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Syna on May 08, 2011, 07:01:48 pm
Sajainta, I'm truly sorry for your loss.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: rushingwind on May 09, 2011, 03:38:07 am
I'm so sorry, Sajainta. I know that there are no words. *hugs*
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Licawolf on May 12, 2011, 03:58:43 am
I'm trying to teach my nephew to read and write. He knows all the letters and rarely get them mixed, but he has become so lazy and unmotivated :/ I tried to get him a zelda game in spanish (because he loves zelda games) so he would be able to read the dialogues, I tried with comics, I tried to find children books that may interest him but to no avail... Today I decided to be more strict, and sat with him, locked the door, and forced him to read me out loud two pages of an illustrated children book and then I made him copy the 3 first paragraphs. I had to be over him all the time, and half of the time I spent it threating him with selling his videogames(he wouldn't listen any other way). It took him forever to write, it was only 3 small paragraphs, I told him he had to copy the whole two pages, but I gave up after more than forty minutes of him getting distracted with everything... I know it's not because he can't, he's inteligent and clever, he's very good with math and he can memorize his videogames and tv shows so easily, but he's getting behind in school because of the reading and writing... I just don't know how to motivate him anymore  :? agh, I'm not a good teacher...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on May 12, 2011, 01:00:47 pm
It sounds like what's missing is a lack of desire on his part to learn for the sake of gaining ability. You could try and incentivize him by rewarding good study habits. Somewhat harder: You could try and make literacy itself an object of his desire, perhaps by playing up your own gratification about how being able to read makes you better able to enjoy things that he also likes (such as Zelda). Harder still: You could try kindle his passion for learning. I think the best way to do that (but I'm no expert) is over the long run, by reinforcing the importance of him on his curiosity, by not immersing him in an environment that supplies him with easy answers and fast gratification, and by giving him prefabricated opportunities to undertake structured courses of development that will culminate in a big reward (like learning how to swim, or bake bread, or read). In those structured pursuits, don't tell him what to do. Don't give him the steps. Show him the beginning ("I want bread!") and the ending ("Yummy bread is yummy!"), then help him to figure out for himself how to get there. Asking questions and making him research the answers himself may be one way to do it. Also remember to teach him that it is acceptable not to know something at first (and to admit to that), and also that it is okay to make mistakes so long as they do not discourage him from the overall goal. A ruined batch of bread is a small price to pay.

Good luck. I don't recall how old he is, if you ever said, but by the time they're hitting 10 it's probably already too late. The younger the better.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Mr Bekkler on May 12, 2011, 03:24:19 pm
I agree completely with J for once! :-P Socratic method all the way. I have a 6 year old step brother who lives at my dad's house, I moved out of my parents' place before my parents even had separate places, so I've never lived with the little guy. However, I know he's got a lot of the same problems, Lica. Doesn't want to read, then gets mad when he can't figure out what buttons to push on his video games (his DS is a part of his body btw, he's spoiled as hell). Memorizes tv shows and movies line-by-line, word-for-word, but won't (not can't. wont.) copy a written page. One thing that works is "don't you want to be smart?" for homework. Or "don't you want to be strong?" for food. Make him think it's his decision. Ask him questions that beg a specific answer. He says "How do I do this?" you say "How DO you do that?"
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Licawolf on May 14, 2011, 12:14:32 am
Mr Bekkler, Your step-brother sounds a lot like my nephew, indeed.

Thanks for the advice, guys, I'm trying to incorporate your ideas into my teaching, yesterday my nephew did very well. Today not so much, (we are cranky at each other right now because today's study session was a complete fail) but, oh  well, such is life  :P
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on May 23, 2011, 11:04:02 am
Ill puppy in the middle of the road, constantly scratching its neck, ignoring every heavy vehicle passing it, the likes of which could destroy its life. It just isn't bothered to move. A part of me doesn't care if it dies, thus letting nature pick the best and healthiest puppies to carry on, while another part of me wants to save the puppy. It's an innocent infant, after all. Doesn't deserve to be crushed under the wheels yet.

 :picardno

Ah, three local dogs came up to the puppy and merely bowed their heads towards it. No words were barked. The pup simply got up, went to a safe corner and resumed scratching its neck there.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Licawolf on May 24, 2011, 12:19:27 am
My new noob driver nightmare are freeway Interchanges...

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cA-ZzsAvpoM/SpgcSQlTPxI/AAAAAAAAAFw/H2wPZqmzHZ8/s400/highway_knot_01.jpg)

What's up with those things? I ended up twice in the same place and I wasn't even sure how xD
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on May 24, 2011, 02:26:36 am
Ah, we are cut from different cloth! Freeway interchanges are one of my favorite things. As a baby, they were one of my first loves. And this one was the greatest of them all:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Los_Angeles_Interchange

Going west on the 10, you have to get off the side of the freeway, hop onto the 5, and then go across a river, just to get "back" onto the 10.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Licawolf on May 29, 2011, 05:55:05 am
We reached 110°F today. I'm melting...  :|
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on May 29, 2011, 06:31:26 am
Only slept for four hours last night.... my head's heavy, eyes needing rest, but this wretched heat won't let me sleep! ><
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on May 29, 2011, 07:34:57 am
Got up to 85 indoors here today. Not my idea of fun.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Manly Man on May 29, 2011, 07:57:56 am
I broke ninety. Can't wait 'til my first summer in Vegas... urgh.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Licawolf on May 29, 2011, 05:32:25 pm
We should all go for a cold drink or something  :lol:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on May 29, 2011, 06:07:14 pm
My computer is broken.  I don't think it can be fixed and if it can, I don't have the money for it.  Having no computer sucks.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on May 29, 2011, 06:59:38 pm
My computer is broken.  I don't think it can be fixed and if it can, I don't have the money for it.  Having no computer sucks.
*jumps out of the chair* WE'LL HELP! Any symptoms? With a little info, I think we should be able to help you put it back together.  :D Hopefully.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Bard_of_Time on May 29, 2011, 10:00:26 pm
I hate feeling sick on the weekends. The weekends are the times when I should be out, running, riding my bike, causing mass mischief, and generally getting all my energy out. Instead, I've been cooped up inside. Aside from it being really hot here, my bike tires are flat and I feel like shit.

I would say 'Oh but it'll be okay. This will all clear up for Wednesday, when the barbecue at school happens and I can dunk my principal and throw water balloons at Sam's old music teacher and he'll be all like "The hell, did Samuel come back just to throw stuff at me" and I'll be all like "Hahaha Mister Teacher I Forgot The Name Of, it's just me" and he'll be all "Oh hahaha"'. But the weather isn't supposed to be all that good on Wednesday.

I would say 'Well, that's okay, too. Thursday, we're going roller skating, and I can skate to my heart's content and play DDR and play LAZER TAAAAAG and I can shoot Sam's old music teacher and he'll be all like "Dammit BoT go away" and I'll be all like "Okay..."' But I can't. Because odds are Sam's music teacher won't be there.

But I have to stay positive! We're hoping to do something tomorrow, but who knows what. Hopefully coffee. I like coffee.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Licawolf on May 31, 2011, 02:42:47 am
I got a blue screen of death, I hadn't seen one in years :shock: I think it's time to do some maintenance to this crappy laptop  :?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on May 31, 2011, 04:13:01 am
*jumps out of the chair* WE'LL HELP! Any symptoms? With a little info, I think we should be able to help you put it back together.  :D Hopefully.

/tries to remember what D said

I think it was a...shortened fuse?  The corner of my screen went black, and was super hot to the touch, and D said a fuse shorted (shortened?) and it was now a fire hazard.  Apparently a new screen + fixing the problem would cost about $80, but after asking my dad's opinion he said it'd probably be more reasonable to just buy a new computer, since my computer is rather old.  :/

Sorry for the bad explaining!  I haven't a clue about computers or how they work (or, for the matter, how they break).
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on May 31, 2011, 06:55:20 am
If it's just the monitor, you can get a used one from Goodwill or another place that sells used electronics, and you can do it on the cheap; $30 for instance. Getting a new computer probably is a good idea, but it's a different issue than being able to have a computer of your own to use now--and monitors are interchangeable anyway. You could get a new computer later, and keep the old monitor until it, too, needs replacing.

My old laptop monitor died last year, which caused trouble when I moved out and went on my backpacking trip. A friend gave me an old, small, and, importantly, lightweight flat-screen monitor to carry along. That lasted a few weeks. Then the hard drive died. =(

So, I just left the whole thing in Seattle. If I were there, I'd let you have the monitor, but as it is I'm afraid I can't be of any help. Ask around; maybe one of your friends or their family members or friends have a spare monitor.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: alfadorredux on May 31, 2011, 09:27:19 am
@Sajainta: The term you want is "short", or, more formally, "short circuit", and for good reason.

You can think of electricity as basically running in loops--it goes out from the power source along a wire, passes through a bunch of stuff along the way, and then eventually returns to the opposite side of the same power source (that's why they're called "circuits"--it derives from the older meaning of "a closed path"). Electricity is basically lazy, though, so if you lay another wire across your big loopy circuit just outside the power source that allows it to jump directly to the other end of the circuit, it'll do that, leaving the main part of the circuit unpowered while it takes the shorter route--the short circuit--home.

If you have a desktop machine, you can just replace the monitor as Lord J said--old CRTs like the one I'm using right now can be obtained cheaply from any junk shop (if you insist on an LCD flatscreen, it's going to be more expensive--try pawn shops or computer stores that deal in used equipment). If it's a laptop, though, it's possible that D may be right about it being unsafe to run even with an external monitor--it depends on whether or not the short still gets power even with the built-in display powered off. (In theory, it should be possible to physically disconnect the display even on a laptop, but you'd need a wiring diagram and more electronics expertise than I have to do it safely.)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on June 01, 2011, 04:20:39 am
Today the Space Shuttle Endeavor returned from its last flight. There is just one more shuttle flight: Atlantis will take off in later this for the final mission of the space shuttle program. This is a sad day.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Bard_of_Time on June 01, 2011, 06:10:05 pm
I hate tornadoes.

Sam goes to a school up in Massachusetts, near Springfield, MA. He's met a lot of people from there. There are confirmed reports of tornadoes there. He's a bit freaked out. Parts of Connecticut have tornado warnings, but it looks like we're clear. Doesn't stop Sam from panicking and trying to call everyone he's ever met there ever to see if they're okay.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on June 03, 2011, 01:45:58 am
I hate tornadoes.

Sam goes to a school up in Massachusetts, near Springfield, MA. He's met a lot of people from there. There are confirmed reports of tornadoes there. He's a bit freaked out. Parts of Connecticut have tornado warnings, but it looks like we're clear. Doesn't stop Sam from panicking and trying to call everyone he's ever met there ever to see if they're okay.
At times like these, even if it sounds lame, fear is a man's best asset. Might be illogical, but it helps one to survive. =P Just hope there wouldn't be many disasters there like in Joplin. I'd hate to see that.

Today the Space Shuttle Endeavor returned from its last flight. There is just one more shuttle flight: Atlantis will take off in later this for the final mission of the space shuttle program. This is a sad day.
How is that sad?


Living in India, it feels like we're behind the times. Since January we've had endless summer and heat, until it escalated this May which provoked early showers yesterday (thank you, Arabian Sea). Problem? It was a small drizzle, and yet they found it so threatening they cut the power supply for an entire friggin day! This isn't the first time either. A slightest sign of rain makes these folks panic and cut the power supply until the skies are clear again, and this kinda makes us wonder how safe the power station infrastructure actually is compared to what they claim. But safety aside, no power means no business, and thus no money.

One good thing that came out of it was that I realized the worth of a dumbphone. Smartphones like Android only last a few hours, no matter how expensive, but cheap, dumbphones like Karbon mobile which is only a fraction of the cost has basic features like MP3 player, sound recording, alarm and (get this) flashlight, and the battery lasted me a whole friggin day (even when the flashlight was on constantly). That flashlight saved my life the whole evening/night as I scoured for cash, handing refunds, looking for keys, and all the basic stuff in the dark. It also helped me write stuff on a notebook when I was idle, and enlightened my path for going back home.

Now I'm starting to wonder whether I would actually need an expensive phone with low-battery (HTC Wildfire or Samsung 551, for that matter) if it doesn't last me all day.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Bard_of_Time on June 03, 2011, 10:05:17 am
They... turn off the power when it rains? I don't even know why, but that sounds like a bad thing.

Folks up here in New England don't get that many tornadoes. We don't really know how to handle it much. However, the thing that happened in Springfield has nothing on what happened in Joplin. Sam said that at least four people were hurt, and the dorm at a different college had all the windows blown out. He's saying that some of his friends are never going to complain about snow again. (we get a lot of snow up here...)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Mr Bekkler on June 03, 2011, 02:38:37 pm
It's sad, tush, because once that last one goes and comes back, it'll be decommissioned and there will be zero American space shuttle launches for the determinable future. So much for catching up to sci fi. (I'm still waiting on my flying car. According to trustworthy sources, we were supposed to have them by 2015.)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on June 03, 2011, 09:09:57 pm
Bard_of_Time, who's Sam?  I'm assuming he's your best friend or boyfriend, but I could be totally off.  And sorry in advance for assuming he's your boyfriend when he's actually your older brother or something.  XP
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Bard_of_Time on June 03, 2011, 11:15:38 pm
Sam is actually my older brother. I'm the youngest of three, with Alex being the eldest. Sam studies music and stuff, while Alex has a degree in journalism. I'm not entirely sure, but I think Sam might actually have a boyfriend. He's always struck me as one of those people.

Things I hate: texting. Here I am, sitting, waiting for my name to be called, and the young man next to me is texting throughout the entire ceremony. It's just disrespectful.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on June 03, 2011, 11:37:20 pm
Yup, looks like I needed that "sorry in advance".  Well that was an awkward assumption!  I really had no frame of reference.  Sorry about that.  I was once asked if I was my sister's girlfriend (we don't look very much alike).  I just stared at the person and was all "NO.  NOT DATING."
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Licawolf on June 04, 2011, 02:39:06 am
Once I accompanied my brother to the supermarket and someone thought we were a married couple because I was helping him with his children  :lol: that was awkward. The weird thing is that we do look alike  :P

What I hate: Slow internet connections. The internet is so incredibly slow right now... :picardno I have to refresh the page many times for it to upload properly.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Bard_of_Time on June 04, 2011, 11:45:45 am
One of my friends gets that a lot, too. Her dad left, so it's her mom and older brother now. Her older brother is constantly mistaken for her father, and it drives her mad. I'm glad I don't have situations like that.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on June 04, 2011, 02:05:59 pm
Often when I don't shave (it's a stubble (http://withfriendship.com/images/h/35658/Stubble-pic.jpg) that I prefer, not a full length beard), to some people, I look older than I actually am. But a gap of 10 years?! A chick came in, just a year younger than me, and called me "Uncle". I, in turn, called her Grandma.


Eight years ago, there used to be dead forests around my residence, full of trees, weed and trash. And pigs. Lots of pigs. Today, those dead forests now occupy buildings, flats, shops, malls and banks. But no pigs in sight.

For some reason I like the sight of pigs, I don't know why. I saw a school of pigs (one adult, three piglets) dodging people and vehicles and rushing off to somewhere with their tiny limbs, adorable and all. Like they were moving from a house to another or something. I don't know, when I saw those pigs I didn't see them as pigs... I saw them as us. People.

Strangely enough, when I came home on a bicycle I saw a pig, all alone, standing in some barren grass and smiling at the winds, while a sparrow chirped, sitting on its back. That one... reminded me of me, staring at the sky, pondering poetic thoughts and conversing with the obnoxious bird.


Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kodokami on June 16, 2011, 02:12:59 am
Motherfucking spoilers. 'Nuff said.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on June 20, 2011, 05:14:45 pm
I'm sad today. No one else is. Because no one cares. Not him. Not his friends. Not my family. Just me.

And all for his sake, knowing I can't even do anything about it. It's like he's trapped in a cage destined so crash. He can get off if he wants, but he just doesn't want to...

No we didn't have a fight today; it was rather the opposite. He had a good time with his friends. Was drunk. Laughed at some Anti-Humor Chicken jokes with me (http://memebase.com/category/anti-joke-chicken/).

I told him to knock off on cigarettes before gets addicted. He told me he already was. And not just cigarettes.

My brother was born far more talented than I was. Yet today he feels there wasn't much to life besides what he does today. He never tried to work hard, because he never saw a goal worth striving for. He would rather drown in addiction and have a time of his life than think about himself or his own health. He hasn't a dream to strive for. Even if he does, all he does is toss them away. Why? Because he wasn't rich enough to have any concern. Because he didn't care what people think. Because he has seen the world's selfishness and hypocrisy. Because he is tired of the pointless drama and strife of narrow-minded who think they have the answer to the meaning of life. Because of me.

I am mostly the reason of his current situation. I left him in the cold when he most needed me. I accused him despite his innocence when he trusted me. I became a selfish prick when he admired me and looked up to me. And my mere existence eclipsed his life. People adored me but called him a monkey. They idolized me for my efforts but criticized him for whatever reason. Almost always he felt unloved, always in the shadows, always a victim of provocation or discrimination.

I sometimes ponder the worth of my existence. My life certainly isn't any more valuable than his. He deserves life more than I do He doesn't deserve to pay for my sins. And yet I see him slowly slipping away from us.

And if anything happened to him I will neither forgive the world nor myself for it.

 :picardno
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on June 20, 2011, 11:15:35 pm
You're not responsible for your brother's choices, tush. You may, at times, be partially responsible for his circumstances, but you possess neither the all-seeing eye nor the indomitable fist. You frankly are not able to be responsible for his choices. Don't add to your suffering over his problems by assigning blame which is not credible. Simply put an effort into doing your best not to exacerbate his problems, and to help where you see an opportunity to do so, and then later on look back and say you did your best. Nor am I trying to pat you on the shoulder. If you can't look at life with that level of maturity, you will never find peace.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Licawolf on June 21, 2011, 12:36:36 am
If you see an opportunity to reach out and help him, do it. But burdening yourself with guilt is not going to help, that's only going to hurt you more, as Lord J Esq said, it's impossible that you can be wholly responsible for his circumstances.  You shouldn't put that weight in your shoulders, tush :/
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on June 21, 2011, 10:18:37 am
@Lord J: I know that's immature, but I also know this; peace can be easily acquired. By giving and sharing. Helping. Creating. Meditating. Live in a bubble, not knowing what happens beyond. But peace acquired by ignoring a messy room is not peace worth having. I would gladly take despair if only to make a change and improve something, especially to help my close fellows be happy.

@Licawolf: I'm sorry if I got too sentimental, and though you and Lord J are right...

...forgetting my own situation here, I ask this to every debater of philosophy here, surely a person is obliged to feel responsible for his own follies? Even though you can't go back to undo things? Take your personal lives for a change. I'd appreciate you're answers.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on June 21, 2011, 10:22:04 am
You cannot own what is not yours. This is a point of identity. How old are you? How complete was your identity as you committed these so-called follies over the years? Do we blame babies for soiling their diapers and making undue work for their parents? Do we hold them accountable for that? Human identity does not fully coalesce until a person is well into their adolescence. Your culpability for indiscretions is necessarily limited by the ambit of "you."
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Licawolf on June 23, 2011, 05:01:36 pm
Having a big headache right now...  :picardno <---It works well as a headache emoticon too xD
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Syna on June 24, 2011, 11:18:07 am
"Yesterday, the website of Psychology Today allowed an evolutionary psychologist named Satoshi Kanazawa to post a set of bar graphs meant to prove how black women are “objectively and subjectively” uglier than white, Asian and Native American women."

http://colorlines.com/archives/2011/05/satoshi_kanazawa_is_a_scientific.html (http://colorlines.com/archives/2011/05/satoshi_kanazawa_is_a_scientific.html)

WHAT THE FUCK, ACADEMIA. WHAT THE FUCK. HOW DID THIS PERSON GET A PH.D???

HOW IS THIS STUFF PUBLISHED. HOW IS THIS STUFF TAKEN SERIOUSLY. WHY DOES SCIENCE JOURNALISM SUCK SO MUCH THAT THEY COULD EVEN CONSIDER THINKING ABOUT MAYBE POSSIBLY PUBLISHING THIS.

AS IF BLACK WOMEN DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEIR BODIES DENIGRATED ALL THE TIME IN EVERY FUCKING WAY, YOU HAVE THIS GUY WHO ATTEMPTS TO CODIFY IT WITH ABSOLUTELY FUCKING ATROCIOUS SCIENCE THAT THE IDIOT POPULACE TAKES SERIOUSLY BECAUSE THERE'S A FUCKING BAR GRAPH PICTURE IN THE ARTICLE!

(I find it interesting that an Asian man did this, when studies -- decent studies that don't try to measure so-called "objectivity" -- have shown that Asian men and Black women are at the bottom of the very racist attractiveness totem poll, and for very, very sexist reasons in both cases. Aughhhhh.)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on June 24, 2011, 12:28:50 pm
I was all set to play devil's advocate, thinking this was an issue of cultural conflict, but, yeah. Upon actually reading this, it's indefensible. Let's take this opportunity to remember that most professionals--doctors, lawyers, scientists, and so forth--may be consummate professionals with a competent record and a solid ethic, but still harbor bigotry elsewhere in their lives. I think about that sometimes when I ponder the existence of fundamentalist Christian doctors and whether I will ever be (or already have been) treated by them.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on June 24, 2011, 03:00:47 pm
Never treated by a Christian doctor? That's... a bit strong. What's the logic in such a stance?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on June 24, 2011, 03:08:49 pm
I did say "fundamentalist," which you left out. As for the logic, it's a matter of ethical consistency. I try not to patronize or take favors from such people.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on June 24, 2011, 03:09:20 pm
Gotcha. My bad.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on June 24, 2011, 04:40:22 pm
"Yesterday, the website of Psychology Today allowed an evolutionary psychologist named Satoshi Kanazawa to post a set of bar graphs meant to prove how black women are “objectively and subjectively” uglier than white, Asian and Native American women."
Ahem...

Dear Satoshi Kanazawa,

Pardon my rude impulses, but I'd most humbly implore you to set yourself an fire. To hell with you and your prejudiced research.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Syna on June 24, 2011, 04:56:13 pm
Really, aside from starting a study with an obviously racist agenda, I'm insulted that

1) People are funding useless study of this type when they could be uncovering data that is of actual goddamn use to humanity so that people can interpret it in applicably meaningful ways 
and
2) HOW BAD THE SCIENCE IS. DEAR JESUS, IT BURNS. Every last bit of the way this study was conducted is so goddamn flimsy and ill-conceived.

Sigh. I'll be okay in a moment.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on June 24, 2011, 05:07:27 pm
@Syna: This is for you (and try pondering important evolutionary/historical events throughout the video; it's really something). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGcDed4xVD4

Keep faith.  8)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Licawolf on June 29, 2011, 08:27:41 pm
So many (http://www.blogdelnarco.com/) shit happening (http://elsiglo.mx/n638520) here in  (http://elsiglo.mx/n638705) the last few days. (http://www.elindependientezac.com/?option=com_content&view=article&id=3437:desconoce-nahle-presunta-desaparicion-de-50-obreros-en-el-estado-de-zacatecas&catid=75:sociedad-y-justicia&Itemid=129&fontstyle=f-smaller)

And local elections are around the corner, I hope the situation would change soon. One of the candidates is promoting himself with the phrase "more of the same, and better". Ha.

(uh...the first link has some gruesome graphic content, don't enter if you don't feel like watching that)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on June 29, 2011, 09:49:24 pm
Stay safe, Licawolf! Talk about a "Highway to the Danger Zone!"
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: utunnels on June 29, 2011, 11:06:34 pm
I hate pyramid selling and I still don't understand why and how so many people easily fall into the trap.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/china/2011-03/19/c_13787592.htm

Such kind of things still happen here and there. Just a couple of days ago, I heard a guy said some of his family members joined such an organization, including his mother. I'm surprised how strongly those brain-washed persons believe the great fortune will fall to them, even after they lose their money, lose their houses and ruin their business. The guy told the story said, he tried to persuade his mother by showing her some reports on the newspaper, but his mother believed that was just a trick to prevent too many fortune seekers from joining them. After all, we suggested him to call the police, but he hesitated in fear of the possibilities of the unfixable destruction of the relationship between him and his mother.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Bard_of_Time on June 30, 2011, 12:22:50 am
I hate when my family doesn't follow up on things.

A while back, I posted in the frustration thread that one of my favorite aunts had cancer. She still has cancer. However, when we found out (through my estranged crazy aunt) about this, my parents were like 'HOLY SHIT. WE ARE GOING TO HELP HER ANY WAY WE CAN.' Instead of calling, my mother sent an email. We haven't tried again, we haven't called, we haven't even gone out to visit. We've just sat here, wasting our lives away.

It's just...   :roll:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Licawolf on June 30, 2011, 03:36:52 am
Stay safe, Licawolf! Talk about a "Highway to the Danger Zone!"

You bet! :roll: I'll be sure to stay safe, thanks :wink:

Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on June 30, 2011, 07:20:17 am
I hate when my family doesn't follow up on things.

A while back, I posted in the frustration thread that one of my favorite aunts had cancer. She still has cancer. However, when we found out (through my estranged crazy aunt) about this, my parents were like 'HOLY SHIT. WE ARE GOING TO HELP HER ANY WAY WE CAN.' Instead of calling, my mother sent an email. We haven't tried again, we haven't called, we haven't even gone out to visit. We've just sat here, wasting our lives away.

It's just...   :roll:

You should probably take the action yourself then and call your aunt, or try to arrange a visit.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Bard_of_Time on June 30, 2011, 08:02:55 am
I hate when my family doesn't follow up on things.

A while back, I posted in the frustration thread that one of my favorite aunts had cancer. She still has cancer. However, when we found out (through my estranged crazy aunt) about this, my parents were like 'HOLY SHIT. WE ARE GOING TO HELP HER ANY WAY WE CAN.' Instead of calling, my mother sent an email. We haven't tried again, we haven't called, we haven't even gone out to visit. We've just sat here, wasting our lives away.

It's just...   :roll:

You should probably take the action yourself then and call your aunt, or try to arrange a visit.
I plan on it. I'm going to call her later today, when I get in from my adventure, see what's up with her.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on June 30, 2011, 05:40:31 pm
Quote from: Andrew Carnegie
The man who dies thus rich dies disgraced.

I passionately hate the rich. It was Carnegie's philosophy that the rich are but trustees for civilization, who as possessors of great power could administer it wisely to improve the whole of humanity, and thus dispense all their wealth before death for the common weal. I agree; this is an ethical imperative. He predicted that capitalism would facilitate this. It decisively has not. Not only do the rich protect their own interests at the expense of others and abuse this system, their charities will always be ineffectual. It is the state that has the power to pass laws; it is the state that commands; it is the state that can enforce change. You can dump as much money as you want into Sudan for aid, but only a state; only laws will have the power to regulate and enforce peace and end unrest. This sad situation is repeated all over the earth. Time for something different. Let there be a strengthened, meritocratic state.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on June 30, 2011, 08:23:00 pm
This sad situation is repeated all over the earth. Time for something different. Let there be a strengthened, meritocratic state.
ALL HAIL GENGHIS KHAN!

I sort of agree with what you said there. Was gonna debate a little about the rich factor, especially about the inherent flaws in meritocracy and how it could be improved, but I'm a wee bit tired right now. So, for now...

ALL HAIL GENGHIS KHAN!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Licawolf on July 02, 2011, 06:05:36 pm
Stomachache... apparently something I ate disagreed with me or something. I felt just a little sick this morning, but now it's getting painful. I'm waiting for the medicine to calm down the pain a little, urgh  :picardno ...also, this made me remember that  people enjoy the "morning sickness/OMG you're pregnant!" joke a little too much for my liking  :lol:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on July 25, 2011, 06:39:21 pm
Note to self: Never break anyone's mood by stating facts, even if they are true, and especially when they feel inspired.

My parents wanted to watch that new series about Gandhi on TV, and I... did the unthinkable... Gah, stupid illness messing with my head!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Manly Man on August 04, 2011, 03:07:34 am
Don't know where to put this without making a separate thread...

Anyway, I just found out that, back in Washington, one of my best friend's mother died a few hours ago.

They have been shed. (http://a.imagehost.org/0549/1251580421398.jpg)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kodokami on August 04, 2011, 10:36:17 pm
My friend got beat up last night, no provocation at all. Just some assholes in the neighbor with a sick, corrupted idea of pleasure. Thankfully, my friend's injuries are not severe. Still...

:picardno
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on August 05, 2011, 04:21:24 pm
My friend got beat up last night, no provocation at all. Just some assholes in the neighbor with a sick, corrupted idea of pleasure. Thankfully, my friend's injuries are not severe. Still...

:picardno
o___O Didn't you guys report to the police or something? Hope you're friend's recovering well...

Don't know where to put this without making a separate thread...

Anyway, I just found out that, back in Washington, one of my best friend's mother died a few hours ago.

They have been shed. (http://a.imagehost.org/0549/1251580421398.jpg)
:(
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on August 06, 2011, 07:02:06 pm
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/08/06/norway.polar.bear.death/index.html?eref=rss_topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_topstories+%28RSS%3A+Top+Stories%29

It kinda sucks when organization don't practice precautions well.

R.I.P. Horatio Chapple. You were one of the few teens of your age with a clear light before you. Never knew ya, but I salute your dreams.  :kz

Also, R.I.P. Polar Bear. I know you were simply doing your thing you do in the wilderness, but... don't messy with those human baddies again and don't hurt them because some of them are awesome too. Please? We cool?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on August 09, 2011, 04:07:39 pm
http://www.allfacebook.com/fox-news-facebook-page-gets-8000-death-threats-2011-08

Step 1: Appear on TV as atheist
Step 2: Receive 8,000+ death threats
Step 3: ????
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Romana on August 09, 2011, 04:12:54 pm
http://www.allfacebook.com/fox-news-facebook-page-gets-8000-death-threats-2011-08

Step 1: Appear on TV as atheist
Step 2: Receive 8,000+ death threats
Step 3: ????

Step 4: Strut like a boss
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on August 09, 2011, 04:28:18 pm
http://www.allfacebook.com/fox-news-facebook-page-gets-8000-death-threats-2011-08

Step 1: Appear on TV as atheist
Step 2: Receive 8,000+ death threats
Step 3: ????

Step 4: Strut like a boss

(http://chronofan.com/Zeality/KaminaBanner.gif)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on August 09, 2011, 04:37:57 pm
http://www.allfacebook.com/fox-news-facebook-page-gets-8000-death-threats-2011-08

Step 1: Appear on TV as atheist
Step 2: Receive 8,000+ death threats
Step 3: ????
:picardno

American Fundamental Christians are so screwed up. It's like a mindless mob of Twilight/Bieber Haters/Lovers.

I'd say instead of fighting back aggressively (because doing so will only worsen the situation in both sides again) step into their own game and point out their hypocrisy. This method always works.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on August 09, 2011, 07:10:25 pm
Neutralizing those people (or, rather, the threat they pose to civilization) without provoking them to commit mass murder, is a key priority of modern society.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on August 12, 2011, 04:37:05 pm
If you guys don't like me sharing interesting views in this forums than please please please honestly say so and I'll fucking stop!

Nevertheless, the western mindset (not all, but most) is too screwed up, including those of Fundamentalist Christians, Extremist Atheist, Radical Feminists, people who think they are smarter than they actually are, etc. It's like they've created some kind of an angry fanclub, just asking for wars.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on August 12, 2011, 10:11:30 pm
Tush, you need to take a breather for a couple of days. You're making up problems for yourself which don't exist. Step back and cool off for a while, then come back if you want. I will reply more substantially to your posts in the sexism thread when my time permits, if you like. I recognize that people rarely have the open-mindedness to accept an unsubstantiated criticism, and as yet I haven't substantiated my criticism. Mea culpa.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on August 14, 2011, 12:00:20 am
Note to everyone: Life without love is like eating paper for lunch and dinner. In short: it sucks!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on August 16, 2011, 08:12:16 am
Hitler, why you defile our precious Swastika?

Seriously, the Swastika was meant to symbolize "good fortune" or "well being" in Sanskrit, especially for us Hindus who knew what it meant. But what foreigners think of it painfully shoots a broken glass through our torso. For the first time since several months I visited the Holy Mission built by my Grandpa's brother, which uses the symbol for reasons Hindus are supposed to use. Then foreigners come about sightseeing, hoping to take pictures of the rare Philanthropic Sindhi culture, see the Swastika and panic, "Holy shit! That's a Nazi temple! We can't wait here any longer..."

Before we could speak to them, they run for their lives. The owner of the Mission laughed at the misunderstanding and regretted not being able to clear it before the welcome. Then again, I wouldn't blame the foreigners. The USA citizens travelling to Eastern Europe have faced plenty of racial abuse by the locals.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on August 26, 2011, 04:17:19 pm
Well, at least I think I got it right. Feel free to correct me if I haven't. Also, I wish I knew how to code...
(http://i.imgur.com/Y2HEl.png)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on August 27, 2011, 03:59:01 pm
I really hate this... Bad things happen at the worst possible moment.

A cat's between cars, about to get murdered, but I can't reach it because I'm stuck in a building during a meeting. A bird gets hungry (and also possibly ill), unable to fly, and I can't do jack shit because I'm at work.

And today was even worse. It's monsoon, so it's natural for stray dogs to simply barge in and rest in front of our cafe to stay away from rain; normally I'd let them, but they ruin our business (we're already in financial losses). Those stray dogs can find somewhere else to rest, of course, but not the one that came today: there he was, trying to find refuge from the rain, an unfamiliar outsider I realized instantly (if the territory dogs find him he'd probably be mauled to death). The dog remained silent, disturbing no one, but the situation grew bad for business. I took a step forth and tried to shoo him away, but it didn't move like the other dogs, and rather stared at me blankly with pained, pitiful expression. As if the dog was crying. I moved a step forward and tried to scare him away, but he stood there motionless, staring at me with its blinkless, hollow eyes. The look was sincere, and I knew he was not afraid of me, but was also doing his best not to disturb anything or anyone; but I knew that look of pain, and I predicted how it could easily convert into desperation. Making sure I didn't give the dog a reason to attack me, I non-threateningly ushered it to shoo away with mere sounds of chair, and the dog turned and went away slowly into the rain.

But only did he turn away from me did I notice the huge gash, a wound on the back of the dog's neck. The dog had faced death before and simply wanted refuge; he was not worried about trivial threats coming from me. And it horrified me.

Again, an animal came at my feet, needing help, and I shamelessly turned it away all because I couldn't do anything at that situation. I know, it isn't really my duty to help everyone I meet, but at the same time I feel saddened by the pain at every corner, so much that I wish to devote myself to their welfare. I wish to help them. I wish to save them! And I feel powerless in the face of destiny, mocking my decisions and hypocrisy, and I.. loathe myself... Seriously, why do we need to turn a blind eye to any person or animal in need? Why is it only me who feels this way?

...I'm gonna build my own medical kit and carry it around. I'll make sure to add in sedatives too, in case some animal gets funny ideas.



On the bright side of all this, I just found out... well, sort of... that I can understand animals.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on August 31, 2011, 04:44:33 pm
http://asifa.net/international-animation-day

An excellent chance to step into the limelight. And here I am, faltering like a nincompoop.

And my faltering is due to practical in-capabilities on my own part; at the same time, I have a burden to publicize that tool which needs support most, that community that slaved away out of goodwill and have been with me all this time.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on September 02, 2011, 06:13:23 am
 :(

Came back from the animation institute. They say I have two months left. Need to finish 2 eProjects within two months or I simply fail the entire term (plus, no additional chance to complete it again -- Game Over). Problem is that now I simply have 10 days to finish Polar Detective episode 1. Shit!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on September 07, 2011, 02:57:53 am
Clockwork Perfection
By, Josh Fredman

“What we create, we do not often intend, yet it be uniquely ours.”

You should listen to me. I predicted the Tea Party, if not by name, as the inevitable consequence of radicalization that comes with the demise of a major political movement—in this case the conservative movement which began in the 1970s. After the Tea Party itself arose as a major political force, I warned that if it did not implode it had the chance of becoming a modern Nazi party. I took flack for that because people thought I was exaggerating, and I backpedaled by pointing out that it was much likelier that they would implode. Nevertheless I insisted that the fascist threat was plausible—a remarkable point given that our nation has only seriously faced the threat of fascism once before, during the Great Depression when conditions were so bad that a coup or a revolution were distinct possibilities. FDR doesn’t get the same credit that Lincoln does for saving the country, but save it he did.

I’m often wrong in my political prognostications. Most folks are. It’s like professional baseball. The best hitters still miss the ball twice as often as not. But, this time, I was right about the Tea Party. While its implosion is still a likelihood, this hasn’t happened yet nor is it on the immediate horizon. Meanwhile, Tea Party leaders have effectively become the dominant legislative force in Washington, DC. They forced the Republican Party leadership to do their bidding. They faced down President Obama, and won. They will have free rein to shape all crucial legislation to their liking through 2012. Non-crucial legislation of any significance will not pass Congress at all, because the Senate will ignore whatever comes out of the House and the House will ignore whatever comes out of the Senate. The 112th Congress will be known as one whose only accomplishments were Tea Party priorities: massive cuts to the social welfare net in exchange for short-term fiscal viability and the continued operation of the government.

As the Tea Party gains power, mainstream politicians lend further credibility to the Tea Party’s ideological positions by acknowledging it as a legitimate player in our democratic system. The media treat the Tea Party the same way, as a legitimate player. No one in power is admitting what most observers have already concluded: The Tea Party is not a democratic movement. Tea Partiers are extremely dangerous to anyone who is not like them.

I have often talked about the Tea Party’s threat as “pseudo-fascism,” implying that the party is not presently fascist but leans strongly in that direction while maintaining its good standing in our present democratic system. In other words, I have presumed that it won’t go fascist unless it has the power to do so legally. That much is still true: The Tea Party won’t stage a coup because there isn’t an institution capable of providing it with an opening, and won’t launch a revolution because it is very unpopular with the national electorate. The Tea Party will continue its lawful efforts to gain power legitimately.

What makes the Tea Party illegitimate, then, is its intention to subvert our democratic system as it achieves the power to do so. That much is clear to me now in a way it had not previously been. The Tea Party is not “pseudo”-fascist. It is fascist. The Tea Party advocates the systematic dismantling of the social welfare system which underpins our way of life, and indoctrinates its base by portraying whole classes of citizens as threats to the country.

The Tea Party controls the Republican Party. The Republican Party no longer exists as an independent political force. The Republican Civil War that I have written about in recent years was resolved in favor of the Tea Party during the debt ceiling battle—the same decisive battle which ensured the Tea Party’s viability at least until the 2010 elections. The GOP is now the Tea Party’s to lose. All that stands between the Tea Party and formal rule of the nation is—brace yourself—the Democratic Party.

Everything depends on the Democrats being able to galvanize the nation into spurning the Tea Party. But the Democrats aren’t heroes. They are an incompetent, weak-willed, disorganized rabble. The Democratic Party apparatus is a shambles. That’s why the Tea Party got its opening in the first place. No, we cannot expect the Democrats to save us. We have to save ourselves, and we have to use the Democratic Party to do it.

We, meaning those of us who do not want to see the Tea Party come to power, have two factors working in our favor with regard to the Tea Party’s continued viability. First, the American public currently dislikes the Tea Party more than ever. This is a positive trend, and we can build upon it. The American public will be amenable to the message that the Tea Party is a selfish and dangerous movement. Second, the Tea Party’s support base is heavily geriatric. The younger demographics still skew solidly liberal and the majority of young voters will not support the Tea Party unless they are given no alternative.

That’s what we need to do. We need to present the country with a strong alternative to the Tea Party. We need to clean up the Democratic Party and put some people into office who will actually support Democratic policy positions. We need to clear out many if not most of our elected Democrats and replace them with workable politicians who will passionately oppose what the Tea Party is trying to accomplish: developed-world Nazism in the 21st century.

I want to avoid oversimplifying this. The Tea Party is not responsible for the country’s present dire straits, excepting the legislative record of the 112th Congress. Plutocrats, the people I have usually called corporatists, are responsible for that. “Plutocrat” is a less descriptive but more inclusive term for the segment of upper-class citizens who have enriched themselves dramatically by legally (and sometimes illegally) stealing most of the new wealth created by low- and middle-income citizens since the 1980s. The plutocrats have no party loyalty. They play both sides, corrupting Democrats and Republicans alike in hopes of ensuring that, whomever wins the elections, the plutocrats win too. But the Republican Party has long been a better fit. Republicans favor deregulation, lower taxation, and other forms of corporate welfare, whereas Democrats generally favor social welfare and don’t think very highly of corporate abuses against consumers and the environment. Although Democrats are just people like anyone else—meaning most of them are corruptible and some already belonged to the plutocratic ranks, either as members or as minions—the plutocrats generally worked to advance the Republican Party, in varying degrees of collusion with each other and independent acts of self-interest.

The plutocrats originally won electoral victories and popular approval for their policies by presenting a future-oriented vision of a more prosperous, free-market America. Most Republicans of the day were amenable to the dream, and in the 1980s the Democrats, already reeling from the decline of that era’s liberal movement, lost their edge for good. They have been ideologically disorganized ever since.

The plutocrats slowly consolidated control over the media and eroded the voices of those who opposed them. However, the promise of the unfettered free market slowly revealed itself to be a sham, and, following recessions in the 1980s and early 1990s, plutocrats found themselves facing the dawn of the Clinton era.

Meanwhile, even as the old liberalism was losing its grip, conservative fundamentalist Christians had been enjoying a resurgence. The cultural changes of Vietnam-era liberalism had brought about huge gains in the civil liberties of persecuted classes of Americans, scaring those who had previously enjoyed the privileges denied to others. America’s growing cultural diversity, and the people working to promote it, presented the perfect enemy against whom a religious resurgence could rally. Because of the Democratic Party’s firm institutional commitment to civil rights, the Christian extremists increasingly defected to the Republican Party. And the plutocrats decided to encourage this.

The Culture War, a term primarily used by conservatives but one which has some accuracy as a description of what motivates the modern religious fundamentalist voter as well as many other Americans who are opposed to religious radicalism in politics, is a fabricated conflict which taps into genuine conservative unrest at the decline of religion and the growing civil liberties of Americans—particularly the aforementioned persecuted classes—and harnesses that anxiety into electoral discipline. The result is a large segment of ideologically extreme right-wing citizens who will reliably vote Republican. The early engineers of this conflict were nearly always from the ranks of the fundamentalist movement. They were religious leaders who had long been whipping their flocks of sheep into a frenzy of hatred. Some of these leaders actually believed all this stuff for themselves. Others didn’t give a damn, and saw religion as the avenue to power and profit. Either way, the Culture War was their means to fulfilling their ambitions.

Plutocrats saw this as a reliable engine to advance their own goals. Republican policy already favored the upper class. If Republican politicians played up the Culture War, then fundamentalists would consistently elect plutocrat-friendly politicians. Something I didn’t realize firmly until recently, but which the plutocrats always understood, was that the two movements—the plutocrats and the Jesus freaks—could coexist in peace under the Republican banner, because the plutocrats themselves had the means to sidestep the inconveniences of conservative social policies, and the Jesus freaks would neither realize nor care that the rich bastards were exploiting them, because with plutocratic patronage would come real political power. I don’t know how much of a conspiracy there was, or whether it was just a few trendsetters who set an example for others to follow, but, one way or another, Republican politicians increasingly catered to two constituencies: the upper class, and religious conservatives. It worked. The 1990s saw mass conversions of fundamentalist Democrats who decided to become Republican.

Along the way, neoconservatism rose and fell. That branch of the GOP, exemplified by Dick Cheney and the second Bush administration, consisted of plutocrat-allied foreign interventionists who supported the old model of war as a means of consolidating political support at home. Under George W. Bush, they got more wars than they could handle and lost power within the Republican Party.

Also under the second Bush administration, the conservative movement ran out of gas. It had achieved the power it set out to achieve. But with that power came only bitter disillusionment. The whole thing had been a sham. The economic stuff hadn’t worked. The wars hadn’t worked. And with the Jesus freaks calling more and more of the shots, the movement had lost its intellectual legitimacy and popular support. Hurricane Katrina was the proverbial last straw. America overwhelmingly voted for Democrats in 2006 and 2008.

Bush kept the conservative movement relevant once the Democrats took Congress in 2007, but after President Obama took office in 2009, there was nothing left. From this decay arose the Tea Party, originally reputed to be a spontaneous organization of small-government libertarians opposed to the expense of the financial absurdities the United States was facing after eight years of Bush rule. But they were never small-government libertarians. They were disaffected Republicans, always economically conservative, usually religiously fundamentalist, who were too embarrassed or too angry to call themselves Republicans any longer. Right-wing media stoked the coals, but the energy was already there. All these people had arrived in the promised land only to discover a barren waste. They were mad. And since they didn’t have the maturity to blame themselves, they blamed the same enemy they had always railed against: “the left.”

Democrats only made things worse by actually getting shit done during the 111th Congress, including some of the most progressive legislation in a generation. The country was ready to move to the left, and Democrats, despite internal intransigence and uniform Republican opposition, were fulfilling the public’s will.

You remember the rest, and here we are today. What’s different now is that the Tea Party has become autonomous. The plutocrats have finally lost control of their Frankenstein monster. The Tea Party isn’t responsible for where we are now, but it will be responsible for all the damage it wreaks moving forward. And they are a very dangerous enemy. Plutocrats, at least, don’t really care about what we do with our lives so long as it profits them. Tea Partiers care. Tea Partiers want very much to say what we can and cannot do with our lives. Their first target is the social welfare net—the modern essence of our government. Entitlements, education, regulation. The Jesus stuff is close behind. Every group of Americans who came out ahead in the 20th century had better watch out—even the plutocrats!

To repeat myself from a much earlier journal entry, Democratic voters were genuine fools for not showing up to vote for the Democrats in 2010. But their foolishness is understandable. We still don’t have a coherent modern liberal movement. We still don’t have an alternative to the Tea Party.

We will soon, though. It has been forming for years. It’s the “geek” culture—the people who have built their lives on and around the Internet. But before I talk about that, I need to talk about the word “liberal.”

It isn’t popular to point out, but what we call economic liberalism in the United States is actually a variation on socialism—strong worker protections and guarantees, wealth redistribution away from the upper class rather than toward it, and extensive government involvement in the activities of commerce, finance, and industry. Liberalism in its original sense actually refers to the policies supporting a free-market economy—quite the opposite from how we use it—and this is the sense of the word that many people still use outside the United States. The pairing of the word “liberal” with the word “social” came later, and refers to the policies supporting the growth of civil liberties.

So it’s all a bit confusing. Mainstream American liberals are economically socialist, not liberal, but socially liberal, not conservative. Moreover, the United States has been moving steadily away from socialist economics ever since the early 1980s. The move has been so thorough that, in conjunction with the right-wing assault on “socialists,” socialists no longer exist as a political force and the economy no longer takes socialist priorities into consideration, except for grandfathered relics like Social Security and the Fair Labor Standards Act. Conservatives have spent most of their energy in the 20th century undermining these populist economic policies, and have largely succeeded. The Tea Party will move to destroy even the relics if they can. If they succeed, there will be no Social Security, no Medicare, no Medicaid, and, in a worst-case scenario, we may even lose things like the 40-hour workweek and the minimum wage. (Although, if things get that far, we will have much more dire concerns to focus on.)

The reason I point this out is that the geek culture is not socialist. As it coalesces into a political movement, it isn’t likely to be the champion of worker’s rights and government regulation that the previous liberal movement was. The culture of the Internet is strongly opposed to top-down controls on anything, the complement of which is strong social liberalism. We can expect the new liberal movement to be solidly on the left or center-left with regard to civil liberties, but a unified economic stance will be much slower to manifest itself. Internet culture does generally recognize the importance of government intervention in the economy, mainly thanks to the example of the second Bush administration. And Internet culture generally supports workers’ rights. But the minority is quite substantial, and firmly liberal in the free-market sense of the word. They would take us right back to the boom dream of 1980.

This is an urgent problem because, in order to create a strong alternative to the Tea Party, we need to do something about the economic disparities and plutocratic power which made the Tea Party such a strong force in the first place. The national economic system in place today is unsustainable. Our national infrastructure is crumbling. We aren’t paying for our government agencies and programs. Incomes are not growing for the lower and middle classes. The plutocrats are driving us into the ground, and things are only going to get worse under the current model. Consider, if you will, that the Democrats’ main accomplishments in the 111th Congress have been hamstrung by economic shortfalls. The healthcare reform lacked new entitlements, instead bolstering the current for-profit insurance model. The financial reform law isn’t even operational.

If the new liberal movement does not promote socialistic economic policies, no one else will, and America’s economic decline will accelerate. The Tea Party may fall in the meantime, but the people who support it so fanatically will be there to seize their next opportunity—especially since social liberalism is likely to continue under the new liberal movement.

Our imperative is to influence the views of the new liberal movement. We have to be the early leaders, setting the terms of the debate, framing the issues, and so forth. Geek culture is smarter than the aggregate national culture, but not smart enough to figure this stuff out for itself. Even geeks are primarily composed of followers. Human beings have a remarkable proclivity for conforming to the provisions of the most appealing memes of the day, and precious seldom use their powers of critical reasoning to choose their views wisely. That responsibility, therefore, falls primarily upon the would-be leaders of society...and most aspiring leaders could care less about respecting that burden.

Don’t mistake me, by the way. Gabe and Tycho are not going to become Co-Presidents of the United States. When I talk about the “geek” culture, or the “Internet” culture, I’m insinuating that the rise of the Internet has outmoded old lifestyles and business realities, leaving new ones to take over. The true geeks are mostly as rare as we ever were. Nobody—no person or organization—controls the Internet culture yet. (Probably no one will, and the outgrowth of a political movement will only be partially representative of Internet culture.) Google presently comes the closest, but it won’t gain critical mass and in any event the tenuousness of its users’ loyalty has been established by the amount of waste heat generated in their embarrassingly impatient backlash against Google’s decision to role out anonymous user accounts and business accounts on Google+ a few months from now rather than this minute. I don’t think we have yet read the name of the organization that will engender the new liberal movement. Such open-endedness gives us an opportunity: That as-yet unrevealed organization could be us.

It’s worth pointing out that plenty of people on the Internet are conservative. There are entire wastelands of conservatism out there in cyberspace. Conservatives tend to dominate news website comments, and their crass malice and ignorance continually poisons social media like Reddit. Nevertheless, for all the noise they make, they are in the minority. Most people our age or younger are on the left if they have any political persuasion at all. They are sick of the clownishness and disingenuousness of our politicians. As they take positions of political power, and cultivate the support to do so, they will promise an honesty which has long been absent from liberal politics, in lieu of theatrical rhetoric not backed by policy action. And, unlike today’s Democrats, they will probably try to deliver on that promise.

But first, the Tea Party. The Tea Party’s greatest weakness is that there has to be a movement at all for this stuff, which was once firmly ingrained into the American way of life. Taken in combination with the Tea Party’s geriatric demographics, you can almost pity them. A lot of them are scared old people deluded by visions of a lost Eden that never existed, an Eden they have sworn to rediscover by throwing their neighbors to the lions. That’s the entrepreneurial legacy of people like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity. That’s the lasting morality of charlatans like James Dobson and Pat Robertson.

It’s ironic. I talk about protecting “our way of life,” and the people I want to protect it from are the people who want to restore the way of life that used to exist. In a sick and twisted way, the Tea Partiers have a point. There used to be a time when privileged folks could be as insensitive as they wanted and everybody else had to conform to the way of things and bear any suffering in obscurity. Alas for the Tea Party: I like today’s way of life better.

The Tea Party is a cult. Its leaders will take this country the way of Hitler if they can, and its followers have few wits left to realize what is happening or extricate themselves from its progression. The older Tea Partiers are dying off, but the leaders are not so venerable, and there are enough younger Tea Partiers—and gullible Americans in general—to feed the party into a state of high vigor. Most Americans do not understand that a vote for the GOP is a vote for the Nazis. Most Germans didn’t understand it either. I am sadly convinced that most people never do understand what they’re getting themselves into when they choose a leader.

Incidentally, as you would notice this essay marks a decision on my part to acknowledge the fascist intentions of the Tea Party, thus compelling me to violate Godwin’s Law (or, rather, substantiate it)—and I must prepare to respond to the people for whom obeying tradition—and tradition frowns upon comparing anyone to the Nazis. There are people who will dismiss all that I have written here, out of hand, solely because of my blasphemy. For them, this essay is not intended. But for those of you who generally appreciate the substance of this essay, and perceive the gravity of our situation, yet are uncomfortable with the Nazi language, you should listen to me again:

The memories of history are a treasure. They are orbs of burning light, painful to the touch, imbued with their dazzling glow by the lives whose potential they consumed. Our history is wretched, and our treasure trove of memories cursed. Humanity has practiced upon itself every kind of savagery yet conceived. Even our golden ages glow with a brutal brilliance. Every orb has a word to describe the spirit of the day and age which created it. One of these orbs, so fantastically bright, is known in calm black ink by the word, “Nazi.”

People do wonder what we are supposed to do with a treasure that has no resale value and hurts to keep. They actually do wonder. Well, here is why the memories of history are a treasure: We stand amid the clockwork perfection of a cosmos without rhyme or reason. In our world, sunlight shines only on the outside of things. It shines down on the fields. It lights up our skin, warms us in our lives. It sustains all life. Yet, for all that majesty, it does not flick so much as one incandescent watt inside the minds of human beings. In such bottomless pits there be dragons, but for the inner radiance we kindle ourselves. And here is where the pearls of history live. In memory.

The orbs are meant to light our way. “We have been here before,” they say. “We know what lies thataway.” This is their entire value.

The luster of human thought does not often travel in a straight line like the orderly rays of sunlight do, and there is so much fog that the frail light of our awareness cannot yet illumine. Those little annoying specks of history, should you undertake to pluck them from the ether and deposit them into your vaults, offer you the wisdom of the ages.

The Nazi orb has a peculiar appeal to it. In a society where devils and demons have been proved figments of the imagination, the tale of the Nazis offers the most tangible “supreme evil” most people can comprehend. This most dearly earned treasure is squandered by fools, to shock others, and it becomes a mockery to speak the word at all. But no matter how often its name is misused, the orb shows anyone who cares to look what soon befell the dispirited people of an economically devastated industrial power, and their millions of neighbors.

Intelligent people must judge the course of events without obedience to conformity or comfort. The evidence is overwhelming. The Tea Party has declared its hatred of outsiders. It has declared its intention to eliminate the economic foundations on which many people’s very lives depend. It energizes its supporters by stoking their hatred. The Tea Party is not storybook evil. The Tea Party is comprised of actual human beings who believe strongly in their party’s goals. Few inside the party understand the consequences of those goals. But as the Tea Party gains power, if it gains power, its virulence will grow, for that is the crop it has planted. At best—at best—we will see modest privatization of longstanding public institutions and new restrictions on people’s rights. Of course, if you just got pregnant and suddenly find that you no longer have the option not to bring an unwanted child into the world, the best-case scenario may still ruin your life—and the kid’s life. And if you’re a senior citizen who can’t afford to live under a roof and buy food at the same time, well, the best-case scenario may very well kill you. But the nation itself will continue on, and most people’s lives will be minimally hindered. That’s not so bad, right? It’s certainly not another Holocaust.

That’s why it’s the best-case scenario.

Now, perhaps you don’t need to realize that the Tea Party would revive fascism in the developed world. Perhaps you would stand against it for lesser cause. But...I wish to make a distinction. We are not just facing some two-bit villain. We are facing a coherent manifestation of the impulse to destroy life as we know it. That the Tea Party shall very likely fail does not change the fact that we stand at a precarious and pivotal moment in the continuing saga of history. For now, they only control one house of Congress and their popularity is dismal. Next year they may well be washed away with the tide. But, let’s be honest: They control an entire house of Congress! All the credible Republican presidential candidates have decided to appeal to the Tea Party for support. The Senate is four votes away from a Tea Party takeover, and Democrats have double the seats up for election next year that Republicans do. Over at the White House, President Obama’s capitulation in the debt ceiling battle has, for the first time, brought his reelection prospects into doubt. The House will be hard to retake. The next election will potentially hand two branches of government to the Tea Party. The last time an extremist movement gained so much power, we had the Civil War.

We still have the opportunity to thwart the Tea Party peacefully, from inside the system, with no significant disruption to our political process. Although a more dramatic solution may seem more attractive inasmuch as it could have a more lasting impact on our political process, I would well and truly rather that it not come to that. I don’t want to have to start worrying about my personal safety, or begin contemplating insurrection.

Only judgment can beget justice. Listen to me a third time: Don’t take my word for any of this. Take my word as a call to vigilance. Explore this for yourself. Decide for yourself the very thing I would have you decide, and then we will share a common and worthy cause.

Do not be afraid of committing a faux pas against today’s fashion of docile agreeableness by acknowledging the threat of evil in our lifetimes. And do not be distracted by the blathering of people who abuse words. Hitler stands out in our imaginations because his weapons were so powerful, his villainy so exquisite, and his atrocities so recent in our ancestral memory, but he was not alone. His kind of evil is not uncommon in human history. The Tea Party looms. They are fascists. Pitiable, or not. Sincere, or not. Aware of the consequences of success, or not. They are a bomb and let’s defuse it right away.

I have one more thing to add. My opposition to the Tea Party is not reactive. I oppose the Tea Party not just because of its despicable intentions, but because I already have my own plans for the future. The Tea Party is a threat not only to what I have, but to what I want. In this day and age, in this time and place, we are building the future. Out there, along the hazy horizon beyond this anachronistic assault against our way of life, future history stands on the cusp of becoming much less painful for our descendents to behold than anything which came before us.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on September 07, 2011, 04:06:44 am
Yeah. I came out as a social democrat on Facebook. I hope it is the beginning of leading by example for me; "you ain't done nothing 'till you've been called a Red." How fascinating to know that the right wing of Brazil is composed of social democrats, who are left of the American Democratic party. No wonder Brazil's middle class is exploding, with many people elevated out of poverty.

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The reason I point this out is that the geek culture is not socialist.

Nor feminist, the bastards. And then this: http://tigerbeatdown.com/2011/09/05/politics-and-gender-imbalance-online-women-are-not-participating/
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: k23usa on September 07, 2011, 05:28:55 am
To Lord J Esq:
Very interesting read. Thank you for your thought-provoking view on American history and important possible future outcomes. I'll be sure to spread the word around.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Bard_of_Time on September 07, 2011, 09:40:16 am
ARRRRRRRGHBARGLEDARGL

I've officially started my college career. Most of the time, I take the bus into school. Other times, I convince my mother to drive me. And she likes me, so she rants to me about her church.

Apparently, her pastor doesn't really talk about the 'Christian values' that my mother likes. While reading the bulletin, she saw that said pastor had put in a letter about a Muslim community in our area. They were dedicated to peace, and they wanted to help the Red Cross gather blood for... something or other. My mother got... very upset about it. She didn't believe it was possible for Muslims to be of peace, after reading the Quran. I bit my tongue about telling her that Christians were just as bad, if not worse.

Kind of wish I'd smacked her upside the head.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on September 07, 2011, 09:49:21 am
You should tell your mother to read the Old Testament.  And then let's see how she can think Christianity is about peace.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on September 09, 2011, 04:13:36 pm
All play no work throws Jack into a subliminal depression.

And I worry about my brother...

It's amazing how you can fix the world but not the holes in your own living room. When you have too much of a good thing stuff becomes bland all of a sudden, and you simply desire more no matter how poisonous it becomes. Why? Because "too much of a good thing" is still considered "good" apparently. I mean Positive plus Positive still equals Positive, right? Give me a break, Mr English...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on September 10, 2011, 06:25:35 am
My brother is slowly drinking and starving himself to death.  He is only in his early 20s.  My parents have been devastated about my health problems, and it would completely break them to lose two children.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on September 10, 2011, 07:24:51 am
I feel ya. My brother is only 18, and he's already suffering from chest problems due to smoking. I may not have health problems like yours, but I can certainly say that a sibling is a sibling, and a child is a child, equally beloved. Losing them is like losing a part of your soul. You've experienced this before, so you know exactly how it feels (more so than I).

Somewhere along the lines I keep getting back to FaustWolf's "Agent" theory. But what of those who simply want their Agent without zeal where life is nothing but booze, cigarette, hookah and gaming?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on September 13, 2011, 04:00:13 am
My brother says he wants to die.

He sees people with better qualifications, better money and better social life. He sees people having fun, and apparently that outer shell is all he cares about. He doesn't seem to see life beyond riches, booze and cigarette.

Why can't some people see that there's more to life than riches and material satisfaction? Why can't these people say that a better world is out there, filled with empathy, personal exploration and great deal of creativity? In a way they always think that being creative is either hard or risky, and thus not worth it. But they never try...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on September 13, 2011, 04:20:38 am
Why can't some people see that there's more to life than riches and material satisfaction? Why can't these people say that a better world is out there, filled with empathy, personal exploration and great deal of creativity? In a way they always think that being creative is either hard or risky, and thus not worth it. But they never try...

Because in many cases that is what they so conspicuously lack.  I had friends like your brother who felt the same way, but they were much poorer than he was (I assume your family isn't poor, since you are literate and you have access to a computer).  And to be honest, I could not blame them.  It is difficult to find comfort in creativity or internal exploration when you are hungry and not sheltered from the elements.  Material satisfaction would ease their hunger, give them shelter, and give them clean water.  Those of us who have access to those three things--and much, much more--are privileged enough to ask the questions you are asking.  They do not have that privilege.

It is, however, disheartening for those of us with privilege to see other people with privilege (like your brother) desire only money.  But I just wanted to point out to you that not everyone in your brother's position is in the wrong.  There is more to life than money, and I know that as well as you do, but we are very fortunate in that we don't have to worry about where our next meal is coming from, or where we are going to sleep tonight.  Most people are not that fortunate.  To many of them, there is nothing more important than survival, and surviving means having access to money.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on September 13, 2011, 04:55:15 am
Thank you, Saj. Thank you very much for your insight.  :(

I didn't get the answer I was looking for, but for now, I have visions of better prospect. While I have known plenty of the those you speak of it is ironic that I never gave much thought about them. I may not be able to change my brother, but I can at least bring the elements of necessity, the Agents, to the less fortunate; for this, I vow to myself to develop a well-structured plan to achieving that plan. Everything has to start somewhere after all.

And yet uncertainty seeps through those facets of ideals. Countless people, especially who are privileged, rely on basic instincts and personal, flawed understanding that relating themselves with local ethos or comparing value. How can we bring light to those who shut themselves away?

Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on September 20, 2011, 02:55:48 am
Fuck Oktoberfest. It's sexist as all fuck. Yay, beer and tits! Fucking stupid. Reform it or trash it.

Quintili Vare, legiones redde!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on September 20, 2011, 11:41:49 pm
But I do like the sausages of Oktoberfest!!!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on September 21, 2011, 12:01:49 am
A note: Daily Kos regularly commissions opinion polls from PPP. Though Daily Kos is a Democratic site and PPP usually works with interests on the left, its methods are objective and its numbers are well-regarded in the industry.

You may remember, not so long ago, the commercialization of an effective vaccine which prevents the human papilloma virus, HPV. In females, nearly all cervical cancer begins as a result of contracting HPV. The availability of an effective and safe vaccine heralded the beginning of the end of cervical cancer, with the potential to eventually save thousands of lives every year in the United States alone.

Fringe movements on both the right and the left, however, believe that vaccination is evil and should be abolished. The talking point comes up often in Tea Party circles, and recently Tea Party presidential candidate Michele Bachmann attacked Tea Party pretender presidential candidate Rick Perry for signing an executive order in Texas mandating the HPV vaccine for sixth-graders. (His order contained an opt-out clause for anyone who wanted their daughter not to be vaccinated, so it wasn't really mandatory.) Bachmann's attack gained some traction, which inspired Daily Kos to commission a national opinion poll on vaccination.

Check out the results: (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/09/20/1018479/-HPV-and-public-opinion-on-mandatedvaccine?via=blog_1)

(http://images1.dailykos.com/i/user/426/HPVpoll.png)

That's crazy. Sick. Disgusting. Liberals are the group most likely to support an HPV vaccination requirement, and even just one-third of them support it!

The spin at Daily Kos is that the people queried by the poll reacted badly to the "mandatory" component, but it doesn't really matter. Given the implausibility of voluntary vaccination programs achieving total population coverage, opposing a mandatory program is the same as opposing the vaccine itself.

We've let the anti-vaccine people dominate this issue for so long that large portions of the public support their view. More broadly, we've fostered a culture which resents mandates and requirements in general, making it very difficult to impose anything that people do not freely want to do. That reveals a very immature grasp, on our society's part, of the concept of self-determination.

To touch on the religious aspect of this vaccine disgrace, sometimes people express incredulity when I or others argue that most religious sexism results from a desire to control females through their sexuality. Even though the argument is sound, it can be difficult to perceive in the frame of specific issues. Here's an issue where it is almost crystal clear. The HPV vaccine will virtually eliminate a female's risk of cervical cancer, which strikes about 12,000 people a year and has a one-third mortality rate. Many people oppose the vaccine not because of the whole "It'll short out my kid's brain!" argument, but because they fear it will encourage their daughters to have unauthorized sex.

But think about that for just a moment. Think about the logical implications.

"Honey, we're teaching you the value of abstinence until marriage because that's how Jesus wants you to do it. And, just to reinforce the lesson, we're not letting you get a vaccine that--should you fall short in your commitment to THE LORD--will spare you from a painful and deadly cancer. If you screw up, you deserve to die a horrible death. That'll prepare you for the eternal agony of Hell. Have a good night!"

Amen.

Whether it be out of religious fervor, or conspiracy theories, or plain old anarchism, this country is all kinds of fucked up if 57 percent of citizens oppose the HPV vaccination mandate and another 21 percent aren't sure. All kinds.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kodokami on September 21, 2011, 12:27:39 am
Many people oppose the vaccine not because of the whole "It'll short out my kid's brain!" argument, but because they fear it will encourage their daughters to have unauthorized sex.

Seriously? That's the number one reason for opposition?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on September 21, 2011, 08:53:23 am
Many people oppose the vaccine not because of the whole "It'll short out my kid's brain!" argument, but because they fear it will encourage their daughters to have unauthorized sex.

Seriously? That's the number one reason for opposition?
From a mook's point of view, that actually makes sense. From a Super-Mook's (aka, my) point of view.... *brings out Shotgun* WHERE'S THAT MEATHEAD? WHERE IS HE?! SUPPORT VACCINATION OR YOU'RE GETTING AN EARLY TICKET TO HELL! :evil:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on September 23, 2011, 11:13:55 am
*pukes* Processed yogurt is disgusting! Fuck Nestle, fuck Amul! I don't know what the fuck they put in that yogurt and call it "processed". I prefer my yogurt organic from local dairy stores, thank you.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on September 24, 2011, 12:53:19 am
What does the word "organic" mean to you in this case?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on September 24, 2011, 04:00:46 am
What does the word "organic" mean to you in this case?
In simplistic terms, something that's not processed with preservatives, unnecessary filtering, artificial flavoring and chemicals, etc. I like my food full, fresh and real, which is why I don't buy "packs" from supermarts or big stores and prefer to get the real things from local farm distributions and dairies. Even "Fat Free" milk is a pointless abomination of the term food.

Not only do they taste horrible but there's very little nutritional value to them (many of these "processed" foods also contain elements that are indigestible by human beings). It's heart-breaking that some companies are willing to slow-poison their consumers just so they can take cheaper alternatives and make more sales.

Fuck you, Capitalism...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: rushingwind on September 24, 2011, 09:32:45 pm
What does the word "organic" mean to you in this case?
In simplistic terms, something that's not processed with preservatives, unnecessary filtering, artificial flavoring and chemicals, etc. I like my food full, fresh and real, which is why I don't buy "packs" from supermarts or big stores and prefer to get the real things from local farm distributions and dairies. Even "Fat Free" milk is a pointless abomination of the term food.

Not only do they taste horrible but there's very little nutritional value to them (many of these "processed" foods also contain elements that are indigestible by human beings). It's heart-breaking that some companies are willing to slow-poison their consumers just so they can take cheaper alternatives and make more sales.

Fuck you, Capitalism...

I would like to note, just briefly, that water itself is a chemical. It's dihydrogen oxide. It makes up something like 85% of your body! Just because food contains chemicals does not mean those chemicals are necessarily bad for you.

Fiber is also 100% indigestible. It's probably the most indigestible thing anyone could eat, lest you start eating mud. But you'll get a lot of that from every single fruit or vegetable you eat! When we eat something that is indigestible, it passes through our systems. That's all. (Unless you eat a bona fide poison like arsenic. You'd know within a minute of consumption that something was seriously wrong on that one!)

The idea that food loses all its nutritional value when processed is also a fallacy. That would suggest somehow we're fundamentally changing what the original food is composed of at the molecular level simply by creating a heterogeneous mixture with other ingredients. This view disregards everything we know about basic chemistry. It may surprise you to learn that many processed foods are actually more nutritious than their unprocessed counterparts! For example, many cereals and milk products are fortified with folic acid, calcium, and other trace minerals.

There's also the false belief that fruits and vegetables that are mass grown (or not organic) have little/no nutritional value. If the nutrients weren't in the soil for the fruit, guess what? It wouldn't grow at all. Your organic fruit is going to have nearly the same chemical makeup as a non-organic counterpart. (Some of the people who advocate this stuff hard-core say that you should take all kinds of herbs to supplement your diet. Sometimes, I want to ask these people what they think herbs grow in. Soil! So somehow, the fruit is nutritionally deficient, but the herbs are not?)

The alternative health market is a big-money industry, something that often gets overlooked since real medicine is also a billion dollar industry. They preach things like "diet cure" and "eat only organic," and their false messages kill many people who might otherwise have seeked proper medical care for their ailments. That's my biggest issue with these kinds of things--they do real, serious harm, and people get hurt and die because of it (especially when it comes to supposed cancer cures).

Does the food taste better, though? Maybe! (At least I think so when it comes to some foods!) Since a lot of organic food won't use cheap fillers, you'll probably end up with better tasting food. For those who prefer organic for the taste, it's all good.

And cheap yogurt is often disgusting, I agree. I don't care for the taste of the fillers. Personally, I like plain, unsweetened premium greek yogurt the best! Get a cup, add a spoonful of honey, and mmmmmm. Delicious treat with lots of awesome muscle-building protein.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Synchronization on September 25, 2011, 12:15:12 am
I'll qualify my post by admitting that I am by far the most obsessive dieter on this forum.  Now your point about fiber is a seldom cited one but certainly true. In particular if you are trying to lose weight, you will burn significant energy digesting fiber which is why i wont recommend full plates of broccoli or fibrous vegetables in that case.  Tushantin also has a good point though, the ratio of healthy food to unhealthy garbage available in large supermarket chains is almost astronomical.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: rushingwind on September 25, 2011, 01:04:33 am
I'll qualify my post by admitting that I am by far the most obsessive dieter on this forum.  Now your point about fiber is a seldom cited one but certainly true. In particular if you are trying to lose weight, you will burn significant energy digesting fiber which is why i wont recommend full plates of broccoli or fibrous vegetables in that case.  Tushantin also has a good point though, the ratio of healthy food to unhealthy garbage available in large supermarket chains is almost astronomical.

Indigestible doesn't mean you spend a lot of energy digesting it. It means your body doesn't digest it at all. Many vegetables are low calorie because of this, and they're good on a diet because fiber takes up room in your stomach that digestible (and therefore, caloric) food would inhabit. Celery, for example, is almost entirely fiber and water, neither of which you get any calories from. As for whether your body burns energy trying to digest that which is indigestible, well, I don't know. Anyone with a biology/medical background care to chime in?

(On that note, beware of common diet science: 90% is stuff that gets repeated so often that people just assume it's true.)

I'm curious, why would you not suggest plates full of vegetables? If your statement about fiber being energy-consuming to digest were true, wouldn't you want to eat more to lose weight?

Oh, I agree that eating your veggies is far better than indulging in microwaveable Tostino's pizza rolls, or other crap like that. You'll clog up your arteries eating nothing but stuff like that! And when you're eating things that provide you with necessary trace minerals and vitamins, that's always good for your body. That's not exactly what I was getting at in the former post. I suppose I was being a little unfair to Tushantin, as this can be a topic I get upset about. The alternative health market would tell you that eating all organic foods would cure you of everything. People have died following that advice, believing themselves to be better off without modern medicine's care, and that is what I rail against. (Which was not what Tushantin was saying at all... Sorry about that!)

Basically, your frozen/microwaveable veggies are just as good for you as the fresh ones. It's kind of silly to think otherwise, as freezing doesn't destroy the nutrients within. It doesn't make sense to claim that stuff magically loses it's nutritional value because it has some added margarine/fillers (not that the margarine is good for you, but that's not my point, heh).

I will add here, as a footnote, that I'm no expert at biology or digestive science, so I could always be wrong on some of these points.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on September 25, 2011, 02:38:01 am
RW, I never meant all chemicals were bad. XD Vinegar and lemon are usually harmless preservatives in the right conditions, but making shit up on processed or organic food simply isn't. I don't trust corporates when they say processed food is healthier, nor do I trust them when they say organic food is "magical", but being a consumer I have the rights to know where my food comes from and how did it get here. Well, this would be a long talk (and I don't have sufficient time for a month), but I logged in to tell ya this, so I'll just be brief.

To be honest, my body can easily tell me what food is processed and what's freshly organic even if I were to eat them blind-folded. When I have uncut bread freshly baked from a bakery I feel good, but when I have sliced bread from factories I suddenly lose my appetite. This isn't a placebo either -- it's been like this since childhood, and I had little to no knowledge about processed food. Somehow, perhaps because I'm used to the rural conditions at Bengal, my body rejects foodstuffs that have been chemically or unnecessarily tampered with, and thus I can recognize organic from artificial. The case is the same for fruits, vegetables and what have you.

I also hate the lies that companies reproduce just to sell their products: I recently saw several of them falsely claiming that their "milk additives" (flavours and stuff, something like coffee but not) help children grow taller, or make them smarter, or something about "Hyper Memory Molecules". While I'm not a major in chemistry and biology, I can recognize that this is certainly fake, simply to have people agree with a douch in a labcoat. I'm not saying that these additives aren't healthy, though (some are, others not so much), but one would still be curious as to where they get their ingredients from. A lot of times some of their "cheaper ingredients" are disguised in plain sight.

And then I came upon this article. (http://www.cracked.com/article_19433_the-6-most-horrifying-lies-food-industry-feeding-you.html)

My point: I don't want mass produced crap! I want quality crap! I don't want my tomatoes lying in beakers for several weeks until they make sure it has better fresh-span before it gets to me; I want my tomatoes straight from the filthy soil, dammit! I don't want the company's unnecessary generosity of "filtering" elements for me and adding this and that, sweet and sour, or even (God forbid) creating artificial variants. I simply want the real thing. True, the local dairy keepers (cottage industries, mind you) live in a filthy hovel, but at least their product is fresh and real (coincidentally, that's also where I buy Lassi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lassi), the kind of drink you can never properly make with processed yogurt); I'd prefer their yogurt than the mass-produced ones, and it's wholesome indeed. This is also why I walk into a local bakery for a snack instead of going into KFC (like most normal people do, I assume, but I'm not normal). This is also why I support father going to farmers' markets instead of supermarts. This is also why I prefer fruit juice to Pepsi (although, I do like Pepsi, but that's besides the point).

Humans are natural folks, not labrats. They deserve natural food. They deserve a natural life.


Today's hate: money. I fucking hate money! And today I've realized how money breaks a person with ages-full of pain. Today I understand why the poverty-stricken parents do what they do.

But I'm just not that kinda guy. I will polish shoes at a corner of a street and earn a penny, but I will never beg or kiss some rich bloke's feet!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Synchronization on September 25, 2011, 08:44:52 am
Freezing is also good way to preserve imported fish in my opinion.  You'd be right that organic food can even be worse for you than some more familiar options in your nearest shoprite. I wouldn't recommend loads of fibrous vegetables to a person trying to lose weight because its hard to eat enough calories that way. The person will end up hungry too often which sounds like a trivial point compared to maintaining RDAs, macronutrient ratios, etc but its really the most basic and important component of any diet.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Mr Bekkler on September 25, 2011, 01:31:38 pm
Tush, I read that article too and it kind of pissed me off. I will admit, I am skeptical about food marketed as organic, or almost-organic(known more officially as "all-natural"). What I find interesting is the milk. I don't know about other places in the world but I don't live in a dairy state so I feel I can assume this is all over the USA and not just my area. The expiration date on "regular milk" is rarely over a week from the current date, sometimes up to two weeks, but organic milk doesn't expire for THREE MONTHS. The implications are frightening, if not just interesting.

However, one thing I've complained about before that I still can't stand is the sheer amount of high fructose corn syrup in 90% of food and drink here. In particular, soda has a noticeable difference in taste, texture, and aftermath(what's left over when you've swallowed) when you try one with pure cane sugar compared to corn syrup. I would prefer to eradicate the stuff completely but I realize that's unrealistic.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on September 25, 2011, 01:45:43 pm
The expiration date on "regular milk" is rarely over a week from the current date, sometimes up to two weeks, but organic milk doesn't expire for THREE MONTHS. The implications are frightening, if not just interesting.

That's not an "organic" thing. The long-term expiration dates on some milk arises from a different form of pasteurization, called "ultra-pasteurization," and to a lesser extent from handling practices which get it onto shelves faster than the super-mass-produced, ill-tasting bargain milk which most people buy.

I'm extremely picky about milk, and I get squeamish when it tastes off, and I'm very perceptive of tasting off flavors. But I persist because I love dairy. Darigold milk to me tastes even better than most organic brands, and it isn't organic. I can't get it out here in Texas. It's a Pacific Northwest thing, with limited availability elsewhere.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on September 25, 2011, 09:11:10 pm
Get the boxcars to Siberia ready. I have a new crop of people slated for reeducation:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/New-Heights-Middle-School/154059754614786

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We support Mr. Stinson and New Heights completely. We are One Nation Under God.

We need to be concern with the eternal welfare of family, childern and people of the world. What about your child can the constitution save her? Jesus said, "I am the way the truth and the life no one come to the Father except through me." John 14:6

Why is it wrong to do what you believe. He did nothing wrong and should not be under fire. He is truly one of the best Principals in the State of North Carolina and South Carolina.

These sad, deluded fools.

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Dante Capone Your god and your savior never existed. Please shut the fuck up.

Yes. Please. And remove yourself from any position of power or responsibility in the public sphere. Your magical God doesn't apply here in reality. It's no fucking surprise that quality of commentators' English seems to be inversely related to their religiosity.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Truthordeal on September 25, 2011, 10:42:59 pm
What'd he do? I keep clicking the facebook link and it just takes me to my homepage.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Mr Bekkler on September 25, 2011, 10:46:45 pm
The expiration date on "regular milk" is rarely over a week from the current date, sometimes up to two weeks, but organic milk doesn't expire for THREE MONTHS. The implications are frightening, if not just interesting.

That's not an "organic" thing. The long-term expiration dates on some milk arises from a different form of pasteurization, called "ultra-pasteurization," and to a lesser extent from handling practices which get it onto shelves faster than the super-mass-produced, ill-tasting bargain milk which most people buy.

I'm extremely picky about milk, and I get squeamish when it tastes off, and I'm very perceptive of tasting off flavors. But I persist because I love dairy. Darigold milk to me tastes even better than most organic brands, and it isn't organic. I can't get it out here in Texas. It's a Pacific Northwest thing, with limited availability elsewhere.

I've never had Darigold, I live on the east coast. I do have a passion for dairy, though. When recently asked what my favorite food is, rather than say a broad category like I usually do, I thought about it and tried to boil it down. Melted cheese. That's my favorite, and almost anything with melted cheese is automatically better. /offtopic

I wasn't really worried about the expiration date of the organic milk, rather the "regular" stuff. Why is it always so close to spoiling? Is all of it really that old (even with preservatives AND pasteurization)? Maybe it's a ploy to get consumers to buy more, more often. Maybe they don't add preservatives, I don't know.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on September 25, 2011, 10:50:01 pm
Mandatory Christian prayer rallies. People threatens to get the ACLU involved, and so the principal started issuing tons of self-loving rants on the school Facebook page about how he'd go to prison for Jesus.

http://www.wistv.com/story/15528436/complaints-prayer-rally-held-at-sc-public-school
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Truthordeal on September 26, 2011, 12:46:13 am
Mandatory Christian prayer rallies. People threatens to get the ACLU involved, and so the principal started issuing tons of self-loving rants on the school Facebook page about how he'd go to prison for Jesus.

http://www.wistv.com/story/15528436/complaints-prayer-rally-held-at-sc-public-school

Something tells me all it'd take is for him to lose his job for him to recant that statement. Even in SC the schools have limits for that sort of thing, and he won't last long by taking such a bravadous stand.

Either way, it's not as if the ACLU can do anything worthwhile now. It's happened and you can't really overturn that. I'm not even sure that just doing it once could get someone fired, though I suppose it wouldn't surprise me. Still, he'd better keep his nose clean.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on September 26, 2011, 06:47:58 am
I cannot stand it when people say that love doesn't exist, that it is a lie, etc.  Biggest bullshit statement of the year.

I know, I know.  "Easy for you to say, Saj.  You've been with D for almost five years."  But to be fair, I never, ever said bullshit like that when I was single or when someone had broken up with me.  And I have had some truly, truly awful relationships.  My first boyfriend belittled me, beat the shit out of me, spread horrible rumours about me about something very personal that I told him in confidence, and tried to rape me.  Not a particularly pleasant experience for a first relationship.

And honestly.  Just because someone has had a bad relationship in the past does not mean that love doesn't exist.  It exists for couples, it exists for parents who love their children, it exists for close friends, and it exists for me.

Being bitter and angry is not an excuse to assume that everyone who is in a happy relationship is living some kind of lie.  Get the fuck over yourself.  Sooner or later these people might find the person they're going to spend the rest of their life with, and then they will feel so stupid for all of their whiny rants.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on September 26, 2011, 12:12:52 pm
I cannot stand it when people say that love doesn't exist, that it is a lie, etc.  Biggest bullshit statement of the year.
Those who say that love doesn't exist are usually the ones incapable of feeling it and are often self-conceited pricks. They take their bullshit across town and scare others away, then they complain that the opposite person was "merely acting like he cared".  :|

What people don't understand is that, more often than not, love isn't about receiving, but giving. One who loves smiles at the world and gives things away without expecting any returns. It's about being the tap, not the bucket, and when you're finally "in love" with the world you realize that so many people love you just as much and that's what matters.

For instance, ten years ago I was always the kind of guy who expected people to pay up; if I lent them some money I'd expect them to pay back, and the same went situations, friendship, favors, etc. But today I'm a completely different person. Even though I can't afford it, I'd save up money and occasionally treat my friends to Ice Cream Sodas (I prefer, California Bliss) without expecting them to pay or throw a party next time. Why? Because:

1) Friends are timeless, and experiences are better than possessions. Their mere existence in your life makes you a better person, so the party is usually as a "Thank You" to them for being there for me.

2) I simply love that soda, and I'm the kinda person who'd force his friends to try what I'm enjoying. Yeah, I'm that evil.  :twisted:

And honestly.  Just because someone has had a bad relationship in the past does not mean that love doesn't exist.
XD You're talking about teens struck with their usual anxiety, or adults who still haven't grown up. Yeah, it's a real frustrating thing about some people: just because one chick/dude breaks their heart they became blind to others who actually care about them.

Sooner or later these people might find the person they're going to spend the rest of their life with, and then they will feel so stupid for all of their whiny rants.
They usually don't (well, sometimes). It's amazing how they easily forgive themselves after hurting a lot of people. According to them, "Oh, but I was drunk and heartbroken, but it was all in the past, right?"

Bah, at least almost everyone gets through. Almost.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Syna on September 27, 2011, 01:59:41 am
I loathe the way society treats the old. This system of hoping the stock market gamble works out for our parents, of shipping them out to retirement communities (should they have the money for that), absolutely sucks. I realize it frees us from the burden of taking care of our parents indefinitely, but this is no. fucking. good.

I'm visiting my (widowed) grandmother right now and I'm just sick at how lonely she is, how difficult she finds each movement. I owe so much of my good fortune to all that my grandparents did for me and there's painfully little I can do for her, beyond visit her and talk to her and make hopelessly useless gestures like cook for her. She lives too far away for me to make a consistent difference in her well-being. Fail. Fail. Fail.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Manly Man on September 27, 2011, 02:34:37 am
Darigold milk to me tastes even better than most organic brands, and it isn't organic. I can't get it out here in Texas. It's a Pacific Northwest thing, with limited availability elsewhere.

I totally feel for you on this. Most of my life has been in Washington state, and now living in Vegas makes me miss a great many things.

As for something I have a quite rational hatred for, it's age restrictions about places that serve alcohol. If a place is doing a show, just because alcohol is being served they block off anybody under twenty-one from coming in. Seriously, I am, more often than not, 'going to Hooters for the wings.' A karaoke bar? I'm there to sing and make a bit of a fool of myself, not get hammered and make a total ass of myself. Just a little ways back, there'd been a bar I'd passed that does dueling pianos, and I so desperately wanted to go, but that damned age restriction came in.

If someone orders alcohol, that's when they need to be carded or whatever. It won't help to card them at the entrance compared to at the bar- if the kids are there to have some liquor, they're going to use the fake ID anyway- so at least let those who aren't there to get drunk come in and watch the show?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on September 27, 2011, 02:49:22 am
I hate how expensive it is to partake in travel, especially international travel.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on September 27, 2011, 04:50:26 am
I loathe the way society treats the old. This system of hoping the stock market gamble works out for our parents, of shipping them out to retirement communities (should they have the money for that), absolutely sucks. I realize it frees us from the burden of taking care of our parents indefinitely, but this is no. fucking. good.

I'm visiting my (widowed) grandmother right now and I'm just sick at how lonely she is, how difficult she finds each movement. I owe so much of my good fortune to all that my grandparents did for me and there's painfully little I can do for her, beyond visit her and talk to her and make hopelessly useless gestures like cook for her. She lives too far away for me to make a consistent difference in her well-being. Fail. Fail. Fail.

This is one of our society's monumental failures, for what little attention it gets. Americans are too afraid of, or immature about, death. We have too little appreciation for the human nature of the elderly, especially the elderly infirm. If you ask me, many Americans don't perceive the elderly as human. Our popular tropes seldom depict the elderly as energetic, resilient, ambitious, and worthy. There's a lot of condescension and impatience. There's not much empathy.

It's difficult to watch my dad get old and decline in ability, and I share your frustration at being unable to do anything about it other than move in with my parents.

Don't underestimate those "useless" gestures you mention, though. Those little things make up daily life. Ask yourself if you would appreciate them, if you were in her shoes.

My dad has always been good about calling his grown-up kids every week, and I felt privileged to finally become the recipient of those weekly calls once I went to college. You might try talking to your grandma more if you don't already. If conversation is difficult, even a stream of consciousness may be welcome--especially if she's wanting to have more to do with you. If you can talk about yourself and your daily life, you can talk to someone who wants to listen to you even if the two of you don't have much to say directly to each other.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on September 27, 2011, 09:07:58 am
I loathe the way society treats the old. This system of hoping the stock market gamble works out for our parents, of shipping them out to retirement communities (should they have the money for that), absolutely sucks. I realize it frees us from the burden of taking care of our parents indefinitely, but this is no. fucking. good.

I'm visiting my (widowed) grandmother right now and I'm just sick at how lonely she is, how difficult she finds each movement. I owe so much of my good fortune to all that my grandparents did for me and there's painfully little I can do for her, beyond visit her and talk to her and make hopelessly useless gestures like cook for her. She lives too far away for me to make a consistent difference in her well-being. Fail. Fail. Fail.
Then it might comfort you to know how "old-age home shipping" thingy is frowned upon in India, even though (with the cultural export from the USA) the idea is getting popular in wealthier sectors. I agree: those grandparents slaved their asses off to take care of us when we were annoying brats, so why shouldn't we care about them in their most troubled times? They get frail by the day, and it becomes our duty to help them have the est of their lives, to repay their kindness and love, and not to ship them off to old-age homes.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on September 27, 2011, 11:40:44 am
I really, really, really hate slut-shaming.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Bard_of_Time on September 27, 2011, 09:30:15 pm
I really, really, really hate slut-shaming.
Quoted for truth.

I had a friend once. He was doing something, and another friend told him to stop. He kept doing it. She kind of freaked out and left. I told him to apologize, and he said that she was asking for it by annoying him. He found no reason to apologize to her.

He and I are not friends anymore.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on October 01, 2011, 02:43:19 pm
http://www.news.com.au/national/schools-insert-god-into-australian-anthem/story-e6frfkvr-1226155301780

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THOUSANDS of schoolchildren are being forced to sing an alternative version of the Australian national anthem that installs "Christ" as the country's head of state and removes any reference to the Southern Cross.

Oh, Australia. First John Howard, then an atheist PM who still forbids gay marriage, and now this. There's an insane, fundamentalist right-wing strain of fascism at work down under.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on October 01, 2011, 04:03:49 pm
http://www.news.com.au/national/schools-insert-god-into-australian-anthem/story-e6frfkvr-1226155301780

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THOUSANDS of schoolchildren are being forced to sing an alternative version of the Australian national anthem that installs "Christ" as the country's head of state and removes any reference to the Southern Cross.

Oh, Australia. First John Howard, then an atheist PM who still forbids gay marriage, and now this. There's an insane, fundamentalist right-wing strain of fascism at work down under.
*twitch* Okay, now this is fucking weird! I know I keep bashing you guys for being inconsiderate, but this time you have every right to speak against them. FIRE!!

My apologies, I feel crazy today. Just snapped back to my senses and realized I ought to stay away from "fan-following" and think rationally. But upon reading the article, here's my two cents:

At first I took their action (of changing the anthem) as a form of offense, restriction, force and discrimination against both the non-Christians (Sikhs, Jews, etc.) and the Atheists. But then the article states that even though it was only the Christian schools that did, "Federal Education Minister Peter Garrett has admonished the unauthorized words, saying that under national protocols the anthem should not be modified and that the alternative verse had no place in the state's educational institutions".

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"There are many opportunities to express pride in your faith, but the national anthem is not one of them. It shouldn't be tampered with."

But at the same time I also wonder if these Christian schools are for Christians only. While changing the National Anthem isn't a good idea, why not simply keep it as an independent chorus pertaining to those schools? If the children love to sing in gusto, I see no problems in it.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on October 01, 2011, 04:53:23 pm
*drops his spoon* I just... came to a frightening revelation...

I decided to take a break (and by "taking a break" I mean "go back to work at the cafe", because only intense frustrations can get rid of latent frustrations), and when I was finally free for a spare few minutes I stood besides the stairs and mused silently. It didn't occur to me then, though it did just now pertaining to what I thought of then. I knew there was something inherently strange when people like ZeaLitY, Josh (I refuse to call him 'Lord'), Saj, etc. claimed that they didn't believe in "predetermined destiny" but somehow believed that "Time Travel was real" (if you ask me, it was a self-defeating belief), but only now did I come to a conclusion, and I swear a logical conclusion (not assumption) that...

...there is no such thing as "creating your own destiny". I tried to reassess the conclusion from different points of view (psychological, neuro-scientifical, anthropological, quantum, philosophical, etc.) but I came to the same conclusion from  every corner. Well, I can't say much about "predetermined future" (and you can't hold it against me; I know how some of you people think sometimes, "Oh, if he said that then he probably believes in destiny") because I don't have sufficient data on that but I can say that "predetermined destiny" wouldn't be a far-etched concept either when detecting the mode of existantials, though I have yet to prove or disprove it. What I do think is that there is no proper way that a person can be directly responsible for where he/she ends up, and (at a quantum scale) reason/motive play a relatively small part in the process even if it exists in applied action. The patterns depend in likelihood and predictability with environs and mood taken into account, unless a foreign effect takes place.

At the same time, I must have said a countless times that wars between beliefs is highly idiotic for human species, but only this time did I actually get a proper reason / evidence for it. Firstly, neither the religious parties nor the Athiests / Ant-Theists are actually 100% right about any of what they stand for, but the agnostics come closer to accurate results on their perspective and the rare transcendental liberals reach even more so. I'm not saying that the "battle of beliefs" is a futile thing, but from my data it may as well be: it wouldn't matter who wins, because regardless of the outcome nothing significant would change. But of course, I'm a nobody when it comes to advising folks, so keep playing with your swords and dolls...

I've been right pertaining to Free Will, I've been right pertaining to Ignorance and Knowledge, I've been right pertaining to Meaning of Life, and now I think I'm right about Destiny... and I don't like this. I'm horrified where this is going. But if I know one thing, beliefs and religion are out of my journal to ponder about -- while belief still lingers, religion and Atheism have become mundane and inconsequential. I'll move on to studying advanced existential, binary thought, NLP, cosmology, more psychology (can't get enough of it), and perhaps mathematics, etc. (oww, my head hurts...)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on October 07, 2011, 02:43:21 am
y hello thur person who is blatantly ripping off something I wrote.  How about you go fuck yourself?

Btw, changing a word here and there doesn't make it yours.  Leave my writing alone and get some goddamn originality and talent.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on October 07, 2011, 03:27:27 am
y hello thur person who is blatantly ripping off something I wrote.  How about you go fuck yourself?

Btw, changing a word here and there doesn't make it yours.  Leave my writing alone and get some goddamn originality and talent.
I think I'm missing something here. Who ripped off your writing?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on October 07, 2011, 03:30:29 am
No one here.  I found something I had written slightly tweaked on another person's website.  Ugh.  I just hate plagiarism.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on October 07, 2011, 06:08:58 am
It's cool that your ideas were catchy enough to be plagiarized though, Saj! *Sigh*, how I aspire to be plagiarized one day!  :cry:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on October 07, 2011, 06:27:40 am
It's cool that your ideas were catchy enough to be plagiarized though, Saj! *Sigh*, how I aspire to be plagiarized one day!  :cry:

I guess...  It just really hurts me.  Writing is my life, and to see it being passed off by someone else fills me with such rage.  Especially if it's something very personal.  It was a very personal post I wrote three years ago, and this person had the gall to steal it and tweak a few words here and there to pass it off as their own.

This isn't the first time this has happened either.  So far I've been plagiarized three times.  Two years ago in April, an essay of mine was circulating Facebook and Tumblr with NO CREDIT given.  People I didn't even know were posting it.  It made me so angry.  Those are MY words.  If you want to circulate them, fine.  But ASK ME FIRST and for the love of god CREDIT ME!  ><

Sorry if it seems like I'm ranting at you, FW.  I'm not.  This just makes me mad.  =/
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on October 07, 2011, 06:53:56 am
 :shock:

And I was hoping to have a blog for my thoughts.

Now I'm wiser to be lazy.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Syna on October 07, 2011, 02:32:39 pm
WARNING OF SYNA PROFANITY AND GENERAL RANTINESS

If my company's ol' white guy country club management says the word 'millenial' again, I will... keep my mouth shut, but imagine DEEPLY GRUESOME DEATH.

They keep talking about how 'entitled' we are, how we 'have no company loyalty', how we don't know the meaning of hard work. But, they say, we're good multitaskers! We work in teams! We're nice! Oh, yay!

Damning with faint praise, much? We're adults and professionals. We do our jobs gratefully and well if given the appropriate amount of time and guidance. Apparently, though, any problems with production are the fault of our millenialism, and not poor project direction.

(As a background: I worked for a forward-thinking company that knew how to treat young creative professionals for about a year. However, due to awful management and embezzlement, the company went under and was taken over by the company they subcontracted for. This company is much more old-fashioned and run by the most stereotypical boy's club you can imagine, so they weren't used to artist types in their 20s and 30s. The management is just as bad, but they have money.)

No, you fucktards, we are not 'entitled'. In fact, because we're establishing our careers IN A RECESSION, we are happy to have a job - which is why we're dealing with your white-guy-privileged asses. WE DON'T HAVE COMPANY LOYALTY BECAUSE MANY OF US HAD PARENTS WHO WERE FIRED FROM COMPANIES THEY WERE LOYAL TO FOR YEARS - for the new and young, or because their jobs became obsolete and the company was too concerned with the bottom line to care. We do challenge our old-white-dude managers sometimes, but that's because old-white-dude managers seem to think they know everything about, I dunno, audio engineering and 3D graphics when they've been in a cubicle shuffling paperwork their entire adult lives.

And yes, we know how to use the Internet. And yes, the production guys resent the Internet filtration. THEY USE FORUMS AND YOUTUBE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE COMPLICATED GRAPHICS PROGRAMS THEY USE FOR WORK. Dumbasses.

On top of that, I'd much rather fucking be a ditzy millenial than some beastly old dude who resents affirmative action, swings his weight around, makes everyone loathe him, and sexually harasses our actresses.

Sorry guys. Vent over. I've been filming for work and film sets are absolute banal existential hell a lot of the time. (Not to mention they include a lot of contact with these people.)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on October 07, 2011, 03:07:03 pm
Yes. In my last interview, I had a partner look at my resume and ask me, given all my amazing achievements, why I didn't have a job yet and that this situation was inconsistent.

I wanted to say, "Why don't you fucking tell me why I don't have a job?"

What a fucking attitude. Of course, this is goddamned shitass Texas. I didn't say that in reply, of course. Didn't get the job either. This system of perpetual growth capitalism cannot last forever.

O, deliver me to Portland, or some other place where I can reasonably expect people not to be right-wing, religious assholes.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on October 07, 2011, 04:08:01 pm
And yes, the production guys resent the Internet filtration. THEY USE FORUMS AND YOUTUBE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE COMPLICATED GRAPHICS PROGRAMS THEY USE FOR WORK. Dumbasses.
Whoops!  :oops: *panics, skips away unnoticed*

Pardon my rudeness, Syna, but really: that's probably the most adorable rant I've heard all month. XDDD Why can't all rants be like that?

And yes, I've had my fair share of experienced of these 'oldy blokes' and their kiddie-tailored ideals too. Something tells me that I ought to expect more of it.

Yes. In my last interview, I had a partner look at my resume and ask me, given all my amazing achievements, why I didn't have a job yet and that this situation was inconsistent.

I wanted to say, "Why don't you fucking tell me why I don't have a job?"
I'm probably not the best person to advise you on this (since you're more experienced than me), but I think the best bet here would actually be to lie. Of course, not outright (preserve some truth for evidence's sake), but bend your reality to your favor. It may also help to use certain psychological tactics to give yourself an edge (I'm still learning that stuff).
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on October 07, 2011, 04:35:46 pm
Ah, shit, I can't believe that actually happened to you Z. I mean, I can, but it's the kind of thing you read about on news stories and wonder if it really reflects reality because it's so ludicrous on its face. It's probably not just Texas either. There's either a strain of Social Darwinism going around (and I wonder if Syna's employers have also been infected?) or else a bad case of denial. And this denial is part of what's prolonging our economic stagnation. We're not going to solve this until everyone gets their heads out of the sand.

Ultimately, I had to make my own job -- found an entrepreneur with a good idea and cast my lot with him. Money's still next to nonexistent, even after a year of hammering at this through sheer force of will, but it's one way of keeping the ol' resume full.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on October 07, 2011, 06:34:46 pm
Yes. In my last interview, I had a partner look at my resume and ask me, given all my amazing achievements, why I didn't have a job yet and that this situation was inconsistent.

I wanted to say, "Why don't you fucking tell me why I don't have a job?"

What a fucking attitude. Of course, this is goddamned shitass Texas. I didn't say that in reply, of course. Didn't get the job either. This system of perpetual growth capitalism cannot last forever.

O, deliver me to Portland, or some other place where I can reasonably expect people not to be right-wing, religious assholes.

Next time answer that kind of question by saying that hiring practices disadvantage young people who do not yet have solid work experience or current employment in their profession. Challenge them to be different, and they don't hire you then don't dignify them by working for them. =)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on October 08, 2011, 06:57:24 am
Yes. In my last interview, I had a partner look at my resume and ask me, given all my amazing achievements, why I didn't have a job yet and that this situation was inconsistent.

I wanted to say, "Why don't you fucking tell me why I don't have a job?"

What a fucking attitude. Of course, this is goddamned shitass Texas. I didn't say that in reply, of course. Didn't get the job either. This system of perpetual growth capitalism cannot last forever.

O, deliver me to Portland, or some other place where I can reasonably expect people not to be right-wing, religious assholes.

Next time answer that kind of question by saying that hiring practices disadvantage young people who do not yet have solid work experience or current employment in their profession. Challenge them to be different, and they don't hire you then don't dignify them by working for them. =)
That's a well put out statement. XD
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on October 08, 2011, 04:03:09 pm
Ah, they already gave me that spiel on their own, about how they're different from other firms. While I was in school, the percentage of internships as new hires for this line of work changed from 40% to somewhere around 95%. The change didn't filter into the university until I had graduated, and so I was utterly ruined in my choice not to do an internship. While I have my overall dreams of writing and destroying sexism, I need a stable foundation for a couple years and the opportunities this would bring. I told them why I didn't do an internship, and reiterated the effects of the recession.

Seems I can't get in the public sphere now, so industry it is. At least that lets me be geographically picky. I can't imagine living somewhere that's not the midwest, where there's a decent chance that I might be interested to know someone instead of repelled by their right-wing prejudices and love of country music.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Syna on October 08, 2011, 04:27:49 pm
Oh, you can always find great people in big cities, which are often left-leaning anyway. I've done fine in deep Texas. You just have to know where the artsy, activist neighborhoods are so you can hang out there, and probably tolerate a diversity of coworkers.

That said, the idea of moving somewhere that isn't dominated by Big Oil is immensely goddamn appealing, and I will probably do so at some point or another.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on October 08, 2011, 06:25:18 pm
Hopefully those neighborhoods aren't also unreasonably pricey, if it does come to staying here. I guess I really don't have faith in any type of market or real estate anymore. No idea what to expect.

I feel sick driving through those magnificent mansion neighborhoods near Highland Park in Dallas. I guess I really am a "red".
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on October 08, 2011, 07:49:42 pm
I'll take this opportunity to repeat my usual advertising pitch of Pacific Coast USA!!! Specifically, the contiguous West Coast. Specifically within that, the Pacific Northwest. Specifically within that, Seattle.

You know you want to...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on October 08, 2011, 07:52:38 pm
I am aiming for Portland. I even have a relative already living there. Earthquake risk, but can't win them all, and perhaps it's not as bad as California's risk... I also hear Portland has an aggressive homeless population.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on October 08, 2011, 11:45:27 pm
Z, Portland has a GREAT public transportation system. I'd risk saying one of the best in the country. Truly you can survive there quite easily without a car. It's very bicycle friendly, as well. Plus, the median salary is approximately $47,000 - quite high compared to the rest of the country. I really think you'd love it!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on October 09, 2011, 01:12:58 am
Portland is awesome. I too have relatives there, and Portland was the city by which I originally fell in love with the Pacific Northwest. It's very big, but they get a lot right. A few years there and you'll have a much better taste of what the West Coast really is.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Syna on October 09, 2011, 01:43:10 pm
Quote from: ZeaLitY
Hopefully those neighborhoods aren't also unreasonably pricey, if it does come to staying here. I guess I really don't have faith in any type of market or real estate anymore. No idea what to expect.

It's kind of a toss-up. Houston's artsy neighborhood is now fairly gentrified and expensive, and what has happened is that a lot of the artsy liberal types have moved to the Hispanic-dominated neighborhood I currently live in. I do have to commute a lot to the artsy neighborhood to do fun things, but I like it here.

(I hope this doesn't become gentrification roulette and attract townhomes, but there are certain qualities of the neighborhood that will prevent that. I hope.)

It's also not that expensive; friends lived there while supporting themselves during their studies. You learn how to cope, which streets to go to.

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I feel sick driving through those magnificent mansion neighborhoods near Highland Park in Dallas. I guess I really am a "red".

This is a very stereotypically Texan liberal thing to say, but augh, Dallas. Goddamn Dallas. They don't say "Keep Dallas Plastic" for no reason.

They have some incredible art museums and architecture and I'm sure there's a bohemian scene somewhere, though.

Quote from: Lord J Esq
I'll take this opportunity to repeat my usual advertising pitch of Pacific Coast USA!!! Specifically, the contiguous West Coast. Specifically within that, the Pacific Northwest. Specifically within that, Seattle.

It may well happen, actually! I have an uncle and grandmother there, and friends, and it seems to be doing well economically. I absolutely adore that city - I have many beautiful memories of my childhood visits to my grandparents' home.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on October 12, 2011, 06:52:59 am
When life grants you a lemon...

...most people take if for granted.

Then there are those few who make it count, and those who grow a tree out of it.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kodokami on October 12, 2011, 01:05:35 pm
When life grants you a lemon...
Don't make lemonade. Get mad! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2vNuaBQNKE)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on October 12, 2011, 02:16:36 pm
When life grants you a lemon...
Don't make lemonade. Get mad! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2vNuaBQNKE)
"I don't want damn lemons! What am I supposed to do with these? I demand to see Life's manager!"

XDDD
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on October 13, 2011, 11:14:05 am
The doctrine that infants who die will go to Hell if they are not baptized or that children who die before they "accept Christ" will go to Hell.  That is sick.  That is absolutely sick.  And yes, I think the whole "you'll go to Hell if you don't ascribe to one specific religion" is incredibly fucked-up as well, but there is just something truly disgusting about thinking that young children will go to Hell simply because they don't go through some tradition or because they're not old enough to make a conscious choice about what religion they want to follow.

On that note, I also hate spiritual abuse.  I was spiritually abused as a child and it is an awful, awful thing.  I saw examples of it all the time in high school and even in college and it made me ill.  But where I come from, it's completely accepted.  There's nothing wrong with terrorizing a toddler with images of Hell to force them to accept Christ, which is what happened to me.  I asked forgiveness of my sins when I was three because I was so terrified of Hell and because I felt so guilty for being so "sinful".  I was effin' three.  Who in their right mind thinks it's appropriate to tell a toddler that they're going to Hell because of all the "sins" they've committed!?  How many sins could I have committed at that age in the first place?  "Now Saj, your mother told you not to try and climb on the furniture, and you tried anyway, so you're going to Hell.  And now I'm going to go into graphic description about Hell so that you'll ask Jesus to come into your heart, because you need him since you are sinful."

:evil:

Oh, I could go on and on about everything I hate about this kind of shit...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Truthordeal on October 13, 2011, 11:52:49 am
According to the Catholics, you don't go to Hell, but Purgatory until you're prayed for or dealt with whatever sin. At least, one interpretation of it does. I think that's what Dante was getting at.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on October 13, 2011, 11:55:11 am
@Truthordeal: Purgatory is my favorite realm. XD

Feel free to vent, Saj, looks like your insights may be helpful. I'd also like to offer my perspective, though.

Agreed, spiritual abuse and "Hell talk" is a bad thing, especially when enforced by a specific culture, and it's even worse when people fail to collect the proper implications of such ideas. However, where I come from, this isn't much of "spiritual abuse", rather "spiritual enlightenment". The reason why I say this is because there's no one to force you what path you ought to follow (unless you're family's psychotic), and it is the individual's own responsibility to establish right from wrong.

The Hindu / Urdu terms for Hell is "Narak" and I still haven't figured if the term was native to Dharmic or it was borrowed from Islamic. However, the term signifies the same as the Christian term of Hell, though it implies more than after-life penalty.

Anybody familiar with the saying "What goes around comes around"? One of it's standard implications is that the world runs the way you do, aka if you're nice to your boss then your subordinates will likely be more nice to you, and if you help someone then perhaps some day you'll also receive that help. The idea is detailed, though I think I realize the depth of it's significance in an empathetic society, and it is also deeply structured in the concept of "Narak". One of the key symbols of this idea is "Paap ka Ghada" (i.e., the Cauldron of Sins), where a certain amount of sin is forgiven if it can be atoned (such as pilfering a dollar, badmouthing, etc.) but when the cauldron is full with the gravest of sins (such as unjust murder, etc.) then you begin to see to see signs haunting you, and lest you atone for your sins and lessen the burden in that cauldron, you'll suffer eternal damnation.

Personally, I think, such an idea is beautiful to look at because it gives you a chance to atone for your follies and be a better person, all without the intervention of Religion (despite it being the source of the influence). The "scare factor" isn't just the after-life, but it does imply that one would be penalized even when alive (there's a quote saying that the sinner dies a several deaths before ceasing to exist). But the "Narak" concept has no such thing that you have to be religious if you want to reach heaven; even the non-believers go to heaven if they are good, but those who wrong others are merely filling their cauldron of sins and begging damnation. And it's true too: insecurity rises mostly to those who do wrong (drug cartels, traffickers, assassins, terrorists, etc.), because whether they acknowledge it or not their deeds haunt them every step of their way.

In India, even the Jews and Christians have broadened their views on "Hell" and therefore we don't have much spiritual abuse here. I'm a non-believer, but many priests called me a "blessed child". If only the other places opened their minds a little. =/


EDIT: I'm also a big fan of Krishna rather than Jesus. While "Accepting Krishna" is a part of the plan, the guy focuses more on teaching how to be a better individual, and constantly implies that a blind follower is blind nonetheless. Meaning? He's in his SoY!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on October 13, 2011, 12:06:16 pm
I would also like to imply that the Dharmic culture favors that every human and animal is defaulted to "Heaven", because innocence is purity, and "Hell" appears in natures when you've committed a grave sin. You needn't "convert" to be forgiven, because beliefs and jumping bandwagons won't save you. If you want to be forgiven then atone for your sins.

An example would be the Demon King Raavan, also known as "God Slayer". He was a disciple of Shiva, and yet was slain because he "sinned" by kidnapping and hurting Sita, Ram's wife, and thus wasn't saved. This implies that no matter who you are, your sins count.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on October 13, 2011, 01:56:25 pm
According to the Catholics, you don't go to Hell, but Purgatory until you're prayed for or dealt with whatever sin. At least, one interpretation of it does. I think that's what Dante was getting at.

I've heard Catholics and Protestants say both Purgatory and Hell.  Regardless, sending children to Purgatory is only slightly less despicable.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Mr Bekkler on October 13, 2011, 03:48:10 pm
I remember when I was a child and was sent to a Christian summer camp, Triple R Ranch. They told me, word for word: "Jews go to hell."

This was the beginning of the end of my "faith".
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on October 13, 2011, 04:07:04 pm
Ugh.  Just ugh.  No wonder that was the beginning of the end of your faith.

I grew up hearing that bullshit in sermons and in school from infancy until the last time I attended church (which was last Christmas Eve).  Buddhists go to hell.  Agnostics go to hell.  Wiccans go to hell.  Christians who believe in evolution aren't real Christians and they're going to hell.  I had to take this class my senior year of high school called World Religions, but it should have been called "Why Everyone Other Than Us Is Going To Hell And How You Can Convert Them".  I hated it.  I was already an atheist at that point (and had been for a long time), so attending that high school was just awful.

I've been told I'm going to Hell so many times I can't keep track.  I would be so rich if I had a quarter for every time someone told me I was going to burn for eternity!  XD
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Syna on October 13, 2011, 05:19:44 pm
Once Apologetics Boot Camp took us, highschoolers, to a college campus (of all fucking places) to practice our evangelism. They had the audacity and, well, cheese to quote the sixth sense: "Think about it like this. You see dead people. They're all around. They don't know they're dead."

When I expressed some of my personal agony that these people might go to hell, I was informed that this should be my motivation for evangelism. I had been refusing to go along with soliciting the college students - I was fourteen, I knew better than to think I could convince anyone, and in addition to being quite shy at the time I knew that sort of solicitation is goddamn disrespectful.

It's so funny. I am so much more alive now that I'm not a Christian. I know people who are so much more alive than anyone in that environment. When I was in college frolicking among heathens, the same types who I would have been pushed to evangelize four years before -- god, we were more alive than I could have possibly conceived. (This isn't to say Christians can't be alive, of course, but the difference in my life - awful environment aside - was very palpable, along the lines of a conversion experience even.)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on October 13, 2011, 05:54:24 pm
Sigh. Fanclub-ism. When does it end?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Mr Bekkler on October 13, 2011, 06:30:28 pm
"My dad could beat up your dad times infinity!"

Same thing.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on October 13, 2011, 06:54:58 pm
"My dad could beat up your dad times infinity!"
"My brand beats your brand."
"My belief is more efficient than your belief."
"My theory pwns your theory."
"My preferences are more logical than your preferences."
"My experiences outweigh your experiences and inquisitive nature."
"My ice cream is... ah, you're ice cream is dairy too."

And the list goes on.   :lol:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on October 14, 2011, 08:52:30 am
I hate this feeling. The ever-so-cheerful Tushantin before (the one everyone knows) was a radical fool of unwavering smile and limitless zeal, who stared into face of impossible and laughed at it. But now, despite the love for curious observation, thought and zealous dreams, I feel the occasional pangs of despair, anxiety and insecurity. And fear. I abhor this feeling.

I think I'll pick a day off and dedicate myself to physical exertions, monsoon breeze and intense meditation. If nothing else, I might vent a little.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on October 14, 2011, 06:19:55 pm
The doctrine that infants who die will go to Hell if they are not baptized or that children who die before they "accept Christ" will go to Hell.

Although many Christian denominations have an "Age of Accountability" as part of their official doctrine -- that is, no one goes to hell until they are of an age in which they can recognize that their own behavior is wrong and correct it -- most Christians seem to not know the very doctrine that they claim to believe in. As such there are vast numbers who, in apostacy, claim that infants go to hell.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on October 14, 2011, 07:19:52 pm
Religions, when viewed from outside, are not really a marriage of people and deity. That's simply the claim made by the adherents. To everyone else, each given religion is nothing more than a broad social pact--a culture. The systems of morality that religions preach are normative, with no underlying intrinsic validity. (Take a strict reading of that; I am not saying more than I am saying.) If people call themselves Christian, and affirm their conviction in the core tenets of Christian theology--principal of which are that Jesus Christ is Lord and died as a mortal to absolve humanity of its sins, and that through Jesus one may achieve salvation--then, really, who are you to call them apostates? You may have a superior grasp of history and better logical grounding than they do, and in particular you may have a better understanding of the history and particulars of Christian theology, but a culture is not obliged to care about any of these things...and "apostate" is just a specialized form of the concept of "outsider," a cultural bestseller.

These infantodamners may not represent your Christianity, but they do represent a Christianity, and since there is no one true Christianity by which to judge the many worldly shades of it, all you can defensibly posit is that wide swaths of your religion are barbaric--preferably with a vow to marginalize the barbarians' influence. I am uncomfortable with the trend among religious moderates to condemn the views of their extremist counterparts as morally inferior to their own. In so doing, they pursue the disturbing aim of rehabilitating the religion's public image without doing anything to address the barbarism that turns people against the religion in the first place. Often they echo that barbarism themselves by preaching from a perch of moral sanctimony built upon fallacy.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on October 14, 2011, 08:03:00 pm
I am surprised, Josh, it isn't like you to make such a gross error. If you reread my post, you will note that I was referring to specific Christian denominations. Perhaps an example might help you: a Presbyterian who doesn't believe in an Age of Accountability is like a Calvinist who does not believe in predestination. This isn't a matter of if they represent my Christianity or not, it is a matter of if they fit their Christianity or not. I can say that a Presbyterian who doesn't believe in an Age of Accountability is in apostacy because they are specifically holding to a theological position that is in direct opposition to Presbyterian doctrine.

In short, Josh, you have mistaken what is essentially a factual statement for a moral statement.

That said, despite this error, you approach a semblance of a useful statement in that, indeed, it is reprehensible for anyone to distance themselves from barbarianism while not attempting to address it. Part of what allows such barbarism to persist is the binary option that many Christians find themselves in. Either they have to be horrible people and accept barbaric traditions, or they have to be "horrible people" and reject religion (please do note the use of quotes in the latter instance). Revealing other options (many of which are already there in Christian dogma) allows for a more tolerable exit from such "saxonery" for those who find both original options unthinkable.

EDIT: I suppose I should note, for the sake of clarity, that there are a number of Presbyterian denominations as well. To my knowledge, all officially hold to an Age of Accountability, but I am not positive on that.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on October 15, 2011, 03:15:05 am
Religions, when viewed from outside, are not really a marriage of people and deity. That's simply the claim made by the adherents. To everyone else, each given religion is nothing more than a broad social pact--a culture.
Same here; That was the first thing I implied when I first came to the Compendium.

The systems of morality that religions preach are normative, with no underlying intrinsic validity.
Josh, I think there are many cultures and religions beyond Judaism that are actually quite pragmatist in nature, where collective practices mean everything and blind beliefs are intolerable. These cultures are actually an ever-updating form, and validity exists undoubtedly.

@Thought: In the light of Religious representatives dividing to form a "custom" division and undermining the other divisions for what it stands, do you agree that these traits and circumstances are harmful for core or modern Christians who are actually more knowledgeable about their roots? As for the foundation of ethics, do you feel moderation and education is necessary to curb the barbaric nature of ill-minded and misinformed followers from corrupting the nature of humanitarian principles and the like?

In line of "corruption of principles", from my understanding, a fellow Christian here once told me that Benny Hinn had come to India to apparently "convert" many other Christians to his divisions, but he was laughed at and thus driven out because every "true Christian" knows that are the play of the devil (I'm using "devil" here as a symbol of corruption); the only true Christianity is their true principles, the religion of love, and what they learn via practice (aka, "God is only true"). He also told me that many Christians (apparently, the "Indian Christians") believe that the American divisions have it wrong, that a simple person has no right to represent God or Christ and commit injustices in their name, just as I cannot represent Josh's philosophy; those who think otherwise are deluded, thus it becomes easy for any human mind to "infiltrate and corrupt" the core principles and mold truth to their liking. Of course there's probably more to the story that my friend knows and I don't know.

Anyway, just my two cents.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Chrono Master on October 16, 2011, 12:10:52 am
Right Now, I am hating myself for many reasons. 1. I don't know how long ago my last login was (and scared to check as well...its gotta be over a year) 2. College is killing any social life I had. 3. firefox froze and I could not get a report submitted in on time. 4. hind sight is 20/20 and is a bitch in all our lives. 5. missed a perfect score on a test because of a stupid error. 6. because of #1 I have not been able to do this... :picardno ...I'll never tire of that other sites need to make that an emote. and 7. I have realized I really can't hate other people, or I just haven't met the type of person that can piss me off without trying.

On a side note Because I'm too lazy to go to the stuff you love thread.
Right now I love  how many of you thought that this was probably be something of material value and have continued to read to this point not realizing that this is still going for the sole purpose of having you continue reading this and has not been about what I love, which was writing this with I shirt I used to have in mind so we can have a laugh at humor that (thank god) dose not use crude, immature, or sexual content to be funny, but uses the dry wit to achieve an entertaining humor.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on October 16, 2011, 05:02:27 am
I spent the last day and a half in the hospital after my heart gave out on Friday afternoon.  Now I'm stuck with (yet another) stupid heart monitor that I have to wear all the time and record everything I'm doing every half hour.

Why does my life feel like some cruel cosmic joke?  "Well hey cool you survived X, Y, and Z and everyone's surprised you're still alive, so here are some heart problems to trip you up!"

I was feeling better.  I thought I was getting better, but I suppose I am not.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on October 16, 2011, 07:43:36 am
7. I have realized I really can't hate other people, or I just haven't met the type of person that can piss me off without trying.
HEWWO, THAR!

I spent the last day and a half in the hospital after my heart gave out on Friday afternoon.  Now I'm stuck with (yet another) stupid heart monitor that I have to wear all the time and record everything I'm doing every half hour.
Hey, hang in there, Saj! We don't want to lose you. Is Dee there? What does the doc say?

And look, don't strain yourself too much. Right now, it's your recovery that's important. Hang in there.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on October 18, 2011, 06:09:31 am
I am surprised, Josh, it isn't like you to make such a gross error. If you reread my post, you will note that I was referring to specific Christian denominations. Perhaps an example might help you: a Presbyterian who doesn't believe in an Age of Accountability is like a Calvinist who does not believe in predestination. This isn't a matter of if they represent my Christianity or not, it is a matter of if they fit their Christianity or not. I can say that a Presbyterian who doesn't believe in an Age of Accountability is in apostacy because they are specifically holding to a theological position that is in direct opposition to Presbyterian doctrine.

In short, Josh, you have mistaken what is essentially a factual statement for a moral statement.

That said, despite this error, you approach a semblance of a useful statement in that, indeed, it is reprehensible for anyone to distance themselves from barbarianism while not attempting to address it. Part of what allows such barbarism to persist is the binary option that many Christians find themselves in. Either they have to be horrible people and accept barbaric traditions, or they have to be "horrible people" and reject religion (please do note the use of quotes in the latter instance). Revealing other options (many of which are already there in Christian dogma) allows for a more tolerable exit from such "saxonery" for those who find both original options unthinkable.

EDIT: I suppose I should note, for the sake of clarity, that there are a number of Presbyterian denominations as well. To my knowledge, all officially hold to an Age of Accountability, but I am not positive on that.

I've been meaning to get back to you on this but I have had a case of writer's block lately that has stifled many of my efforts cold in their tracks, this among them. Here's the shorter version of what I would have said:

I erred by not more clearly connecting my discussion of the overall religion to your discussion of denominational segments of it, but my key point--and quite valid conceptually, albeit not an exclusive factual position--is that the validity of one's membership in a religion (or in a denomination thereof) is not based upon intellectual consistency and thorough adherence to doctrine, but, rather, by the usual factors of cultural cohesion.

This really is a fascinating line of discussion, which is perhaps why I had such trouble addressing it. Maybe we can bring it up again at some point.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on October 18, 2011, 02:23:30 pm
You'll have to expand on that point when you have the energy and inclination, since as it stands it seems rather contradictory: the usual factors of cultural cohesion are, to a significant extent, intellectual consistency and adherence to a central doctrine. Anywho, I await your leisure for further explanation.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on October 20, 2011, 05:05:29 pm
A lot of people complain that real life isn't "interesting enough" like it is in fiction. Nonsense! You're already living in the most interesting work of art called "Reality"; you just don't find it interesting because you're experiencing it in first person, just as Sherlock Holmes finds his life utterly boring. You might be a fan of Sydney Sheldon, but when you actually go through the horrors within that text it's suddenly a nightmare. But it takes an eye like mine to figure out the expanse of mystery and intrigue our world is surrounded by. Fiction is simply a drop of water from the limitless ocean called Reality.

And indeed, sometimes that sucks. For instance, what happened with Snape in Harry Potter also happened with me. Three times. The greatest pain is that of a broken heart. Bahh, I'm an infidel! What do I care...

But my point is that just because a story doesn't appeal to you doesn't mean it isn't good enough. Some anime fans can never appreciate the genius of Tolstoy, but that doesn't mean he isn't good enough. If an idea seems bad then you're probably looking at it from a wrong angle, because at the hands of a skilled writer even a man's battle against his shoelace would make a masterpiece of a novella.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on October 21, 2011, 11:28:37 am
Double post, idgaf, I'm angry and in pain.  Never mind.  I promised myself I wouldn't reply to any more of tushantin's posts, so I deleted my last post.

I have psychosomatic pain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychogenic_pain) (and it's a real thing, so please don't tell me "well it isn't really real" or whatever), and I have no idea how to stop it.  It hurts so badly, and upon looking up ways to help, I found nothing but holistic and feel-good New Age bullshit.  Oh, and therapy.  Which I can't afford.

In tremendous amounts of pain.  No realistic way to get rid of it.  Cannot sleep.  Have to be up early.  Do not want to ruin D's night by being grumpy and miserable because of pain and lack of sleep.

It sounds like I'm whining but this really fucking sucks.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on October 21, 2011, 11:55:22 am
Double post, idgaf, I'm angry and in pain.  Never mind.  I promised myself I wouldn't reply to any more of tushantin's posts, so I deleted my last post.
Um... Sorry...  :cry:

Also, for "The greatest pain is that of a broken heart" thing, I was just being poetic there, but it really does hurt.

Psychosomatic Pain is a real thing, but unfortunately I've no idea how to cure it, although therapy indeed is the best way to get rid of it. Hmm, Psychosomatic... *looks up* Any idea what caused it?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on October 21, 2011, 11:58:33 am
Any idea what caused it?

Abuse, so therapy would probably be the best option.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Syna on October 22, 2011, 07:14:38 pm
Saj -- some therapists work pro bono, don't they? Would that be an option? My mom has anxiety issues and when we couldn't afford therapy, she managed to get counseling via a nonprofit (and free medication in the form of samples).

I don't mean to be overly helpful. I'm sure you're doing all you can. I just figured I'd mention it in case the information was something you could use.

In other news, I LOVE Hallowe'en and am very excited about my costume, but the women's costume section irritates the hell out of me. Basically, they take all the male costumes and sexify them. Zorro->Sexy Lady Zorro! Pirate->Sexy Lady Pirate! Doctor->Sexy Nurse! Augh! Fuck you, America.

Also, unrelatedly, I wish I could use a goddamn sewing machine better. For someone who loves costumes as much as I do, that would be a useful skill.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on October 23, 2011, 08:33:33 am
Also, unrelatedly, I wish I could use a goddamn sewing machine better. For someone who loves costumes as much as I do, that would be a useful skill.
Doooooooo iiiiiiiiiiiiiiittttt!

Dang, I never experienced Halloween before. I'd probably wear a broom. On my head. And call myself the Broom Monster. Who sweeps the floor with people. And likes candy.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on October 24, 2011, 05:34:12 am
Syna, a friend of mine recently circulated a link to this costume site: http://takebackhalloween.org/
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Syna on October 24, 2011, 12:00:49 pm
RD, that site is awesome! :D

"To heck with princesses. Be a queen." Exactly my philosophy.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on October 24, 2011, 12:06:43 pm
"To heck with princesses. Be a queen." Exactly my philosophy.
Boudicca, Himiko, or Xi Wang Mu? XD

It's almost the same as Ashley once told me, "When all the girls in my school dreamt of being princesses, I desired to become a President."
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on October 25, 2011, 06:58:57 am
Dear "friends",

I am so happy to know that the colour of a friend's freshly-painted apartment is more important than my cry for help, rapid descent into complete despair and hopelessness, and increasingly serious thoughts of suicide.

Fuck you.

- Saj
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on October 25, 2011, 11:29:04 am
*tosses stink bombs and paint balloons at Saj's "friends"*

Yeah, and you can keep your stinkin' Teflon paints, dear "friends"!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Truthordeal on October 25, 2011, 05:27:07 pm
So...what color did they decide on?! I need TO KNOW!!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on October 26, 2011, 06:57:13 am
So...what color did they decide on?! I need TO KNOW!!

TARDIS blue.  XP

Seriously, that what she called it.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on October 28, 2011, 05:02:06 pm
I draw a lot. A lot. So many of them still didn't make it in public. So many of them still unseen by eyes beyond mine. And for a lot of reasons.

Everytime I draw something, everytime I think I'm about to strike gold, I gain this spark -- this zeal -- to be able to envision the world for what it really is, to be able to paint as I see light.

And then I see artists better than me (http://tracyjb.deviantart.com/art/Lackadaisy-Blueblood-260687104). And I fall in despair, knowing I can't ever be that good (http://gorrem.deviantart.com/art/Dune-Sand-Rituals-111853875). Try as I might (http://gamefan84.deviantart.com/art/Escadia-streets-revisited-253051029), I learn techniques from the masters, I open up to styles I've never touched before, I become one with everything... and nothing. The last I see of my art -- my creation, the fragment of my heart -- lying in the dust, torn to shreds.

Where did this thirst for destruction come from? When did all the colors I envisioned suddenly turn a dull grey? I can see everything, alright, but somehow I can't mold reality to exactly how I envision it, just as I cannot seem to speak my thoughts exactly as they are without the risk of misinterpretation.

And I look back to the discussion I had with some RL friends about the difference between "methods" of my art and Yuumei's. Che...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on October 28, 2011, 06:33:32 pm
Ah, this Euro crisis. Greeks are burning German flags and calling Merkel the new Hitler.

And I support them. Fuck this system, and fuck the IMF and their austerity measures. It's too bad this world's so utterly dependent on it at this point as to prevent pain-free paradigm shifts. While I support world federalism, the economic side of it is too deeply troubled by capitalism's frailties, and that's going to set the social and governmental side of it back years.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on October 30, 2011, 03:09:02 am
I'm generally an optimistic person when it comes to human potential. Often I can face human ignorance and believe that I can make a difference against it. But there are time that I see hate-filled morons spouting off their nonsense and I can only weep. There are some bastions of idiocy that can never be stormed.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on October 30, 2011, 06:45:39 am
I'm generally an optimistic person when it comes to human potential. Often I can face human ignorance and believe that I can make a difference against it. But there are time that I see hate-filled morons spouting off their nonsense and I can only weep. There are some bastions of idiocy that can never be stormed.
Hah! Tell me about it.

Tenth Doctor: There is no such thing as an "Ordinary Human".
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: rushingwind on October 31, 2011, 07:02:58 am
I just accidentally stumbled across a video of "witches" being beaten and burned to death in Kenya. It's such a terrifying display of religious fanaticism gone wrong and human brutality at its worst that it's brought me to tears and made me nauseous. I cannot comprehend the rage and inhumanity that could drive a human to do that to another human, especially one who has done no harm to the attacker. I guess I was just not born with the capacity to understand that.

People say this is what the world would look like if we atheists ran it, if there were no God to guide us. That WE'RE the ones without compassion and morals. And yet, with "God" guiding these people, they... they beat and burned people to death. For not being Christian. There was true, vicious rage in these beatings.

I know the past is full of this kind of thing, like the Crusades. The Internet just brings it to you in terrifying full color. And you can stumble across this stuff accidentally, like I did.

I can't think of anything more religiously batshit than this. I just... everything else, all the battles we fight legally, all the rights we demand in regards to religious freedom... It's to keep inhumane and brutal things like this from happening.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on October 31, 2011, 08:14:07 am
I feel your pain there, RW, and it's indeed a horrifying, tribalistic attribute of human nature. What's even worse, but plain and simple, is that it doesn't even depend on what grounds you belong to. The poison simply finds a way into people's hearts. And this poison is political in nature, not ethical nor moral, which makes it even more powerful and disgusting. And it will stay whether or not we have a religious nation or atheistic.

In one place you'll see witches being burned by Christian fanatics. In another you'll see a white guy kicking a black just for the heck of it. In another, it's Atheists bullying and beating a religious person, even if the latter did not intend any harm. We'll see females being oppressed by males, poor being used as ash-trays by the rich, modernists will treat traditionalists like shit, young people treating the elderly as disposable, artists being crushed under the feat of businessmen and lawmakers, and commoners having nowhere else to go.

So tell me: Why must we war because we see something the others cannot? Why can't we all just get along now? What makes someone more important than another?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on October 31, 2011, 09:58:33 am
In one place you'll see witches being burned by Christian fanatics. In another you'll see a white guy kicking a black just for the heck of it.

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In another, it's Atheists bullying and beating a religious person, even if the latter did not intend any harm.

Oh yeah, those are like, totally equal. And we all know how common it is for roving packs of atheists to go around beating up religious people.

(http://rsrc.psychologytoday.com/files/imagecache/article-top/blogs/55672/2011/02/55708-47021.jpg)

The "persecution" of the religious by atheists boils down to having their Dominionist little bubble burst when the godless demand equal rights and freedom from religion. If we have the guts to deal with death without afterlife, they should be able to muster the tiny, tiny strength to tolerate dissent.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on October 31, 2011, 04:46:08 pm
ZeaLitY, I can understand where you're coming from, and seeing your endurance and stress in a nation driven wild by Dominionists I think your anger is valid. And it's not even about tolerating dissent, but they also have to understand it with a practical perception (see, what I mean by "this poison is political"?).

However, you fail to see what I mean here. I was talking about the poison itself, not the differences between Atheism and Religion. I believe I was clear enough in my previous post so I won't repeat myself here unless someone has a question or doubt.

However, I have something to clarify:
Oh yeah, those are like, totally equal.
They totally are. When a man is dead, it is irrelevant whether the murderer was religious or atheist. A crime is a crime, and the killer will be penalized.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on November 04, 2011, 06:08:39 am
D cried today because he was so scared of losing me and frightened in general.  Crying as in sobbing.  I have rarely seen him cry (because of that "real men don't cry" bullshit that's been drilled into men's heads) and so it tears me up inside to see him bogged down enough by fear and despair to the point where he started sobbing.  I love him more than I can express, and I hate to see him in so much pain.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on November 04, 2011, 06:58:49 am
D cried today because he was so scared of losing me and frightened in general.  Crying as in sobbing.  I have rarely seen him cry (because of that "real men don't cry" bullshit that's been drilled into men's heads) and so it tears me up inside to see him bogged down enough by fear and despair to the point where he started sobbing.  I love him more than I can express, and I hate to see him in so much pain.
I don't know what to comment on that, Saj, but I felt there was something incredibly important here. I know you think it's bullshit that "real men don't cry", but I see it more in a poetic sense; however, what's most important is that he let himself cry, and especially in front of you. You probably know what that means. It means that you're everything to him.

A man never cries before his mistress, to let know that everything will be alright (then again, women do it too, so yes, that phrase is bullshit). But when he does, when he finally gets swept away by emotions, you know what means the most to him. You know that he never wants to let you go.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on November 04, 2011, 08:03:14 am
I don't know what to comment on that, Saj, but I felt there was something incredibly important here. I know you think it's bullshit that "real men don't cry", but I see it more in a poetic sense; however, what's most important is that he let himself cry, and especially in front of you. You probably know what that means. It means that you're everything to him.

Please tell me what is poetic about telling a man that "real men don't cry".

A man never cries before his mistress, to let know that everything will be alright (then again, women do it too, so yes, that phrase is bullshit). But when he does, when he finally gets swept away by emotions, you know what means the most to him. You know that he never wants to let you go.

...Or it just means that he needs to cry.  Or is emotional because his kid was just born or something.

And don't generalize all men.  I know plenty of men who cry often.  And most of the men I know don't cry to let someone know that "everything will be okay", but because they've been programmed from day one that crying is "being a pussy" or some shit like that.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on November 04, 2011, 10:25:52 am
If the situation is distressing there, Saj, we can have that philosophical discussion some other day. You said he was scared of losing you, and being a guy I've been there.

I was just trying to be comforting here. If I've come off as anything else, I'm sorry. Forget whatever I said.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on November 04, 2011, 10:31:01 am
On a completely different note, someone from our building passed away today. One of the twins, 30 of age. The twins used to fight a lot, threatening and calling each other names, but when Death comes you realize that the person who's face you never wanted to see apparently is the closest to your heart.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 05, 2011, 11:07:30 pm
Sex scandals. I hate them. Nobody wins. Everybody loses. If the accusers are lying, they've besmirched someone's reputation and made it that much harder for actual abuse victims to press their cases. If they're not lying, then they are victims of crime.

In politics, sex scandals often generate a lot of fodder for the other side. Right now, GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain is accused of sexual harassment. Many liberals are leaping on it.

I stay away from them. I never know who's right and who wrong, and I hate to exploit those kinds of crimes for gain. I also hate the ignorance or malevolence that would cause people to make up such serious charges.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on November 06, 2011, 05:37:33 am
Sex scandals. I hate them. Nobody wins. Everybody loses. If the accusers are lying, they've besmirched someone's reputation and made it that much harder for actual abuse victims to press their cases. If they're not lying, then they are victims of crime.

In politics, sex scandals often generate a lot of fodder for the other side. Right now, GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain is accused of sexual harassment. Many liberals are leaping on it.

I stay away from them. I never know who's right and who wrong, and I hate to exploit those kinds of crimes for gain. I also hate the ignorance or malevolence that would cause people to make up such serious charges.
A seemingly unsolvable case? Sounds like the job for...
(http://images.wikia.com/aceattorney/images/9/99/Wright.jpg)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 06, 2011, 06:23:34 am
Hah. I'm a Miles Edgeworth fan, myself.

But I didn't necessarily mean unsolvable. It's just that we in the lay public can scarcely know who's telling the truth and who's not when it comes to these acrimonious cases.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on November 06, 2011, 07:48:11 am
I had cold meat for lunch today.

...

The philosophical and psychological musing that followed in my head is something I can't describe at the Compendium, although a few people who know me can already guess. But I can say this:

1) Unlike anybody else who enjoys a good chicken, I have to make a special effort to eat meat.
2) My best companion is human nature. But my worst enemy is also human nature.
3) I always felt left behind because not many people think like me. Now I'm grateful that they don't.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on November 07, 2011, 02:45:01 pm
The response of some Republicans to the Herman Cain scandal is utterly repulsive. While many defenses have been raised for Cain, the one I am referring it is Republican claims that Cain is innocent because there is no such thing as sexual harassment, or that while it might once have existed, it no longer does.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Bard_of_Time on November 07, 2011, 03:54:28 pm
The response of some Republicans to the Herman Cain scandal is utterly repulsive. While many defenses have been raised for Cain, the one I am referring it is Republican claims that Cain is innocent because there is no such thing as sexual harassment, or that while it might once have existed, it no longer does.
Wait.

Are they saying that the idea of sexually harassing someone is fictitious, and that even if it did happen, it doesn't happen anymore?

...

What is WRONG with these people?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 07, 2011, 07:48:41 pm
Yes, that's what they're saying. A few days ago I read the article Thought is talking about. The conservatives perceive this scandal as a liberal assault on Cain. They're willing to assert with full force of faith from the very beginning that the scandal is manufactured, and that either it never happened at all (which is dubious given the settlement monies paid out) or that the females in question are somehow responsible for Cain's harassment (if indeed it occurred).

As to what's wrong with them, dispiritingly, very little is wrong with them. Just two things, really. One, they are scientifically illiterate and critically barren insofar as they are willing to apply logic and reason to their political thinking. Two, they exist in a political movement that promotes some truly horrifying points of view. Humans, by their social nature, are quite apt to go along with the prevailing social norms--no matter how terrible.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 08, 2011, 04:19:32 am
Five separate accusers, now.

Sigh...

And if I ran for president they'd say no because I'm not a Christian.

Living in Jesus Country, we are...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: xcalibur on November 08, 2011, 04:55:42 am
In one place you'll see witches being burned by Christian fanatics. In another you'll see a white guy kicking a black just for the heck of it.

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In another, it's Atheists bullying and beating a religious person, even if the latter did not intend any harm.

Oh yeah, those are like, totally equal. And we all know how common it is for roving packs of atheists to go around beating up religious people.

(http://rsrc.psychologytoday.com/files/imagecache/article-top/blogs/55672/2011/02/55708-47021.jpg)

The "persecution" of the religious by atheists boils down to having their Dominionist little bubble burst when the godless demand equal rights and freedom from religion. If we have the guts to deal with death without afterlife, they should be able to muster the tiny, tiny strength to tolerate dissent.

Atheists aren't so bad. They can be pretty belligerent and intractable at times, but they're not as bad as religious extremists in general.

It always bothers me when I hear statements like "Without religion there wouldn't be any wars". But of course there would. Wars have been fought over territory, control of trade routes, national pride, non-religious ideologies and many other reasons. Have there been religious wars?, definitely. But religion is only one dividing factor amongst many others.

However you feel about religion, it's a social force that I'm sure is going to stay around as long as we're human. The best we can do is support open-minded thought and reason and disenfranchise the noisy extremists.

I'm a deist, btw.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 08, 2011, 05:01:14 am
I think there's always going to be faith, but there doesn't always have to be religion, and spiritualism. The desire to believe is evolved into us, and every person (genetic engineering notwithstanding) will have to learn to cope with that predilection, and restrain it appropriately, but an individual's subscription to any social institution built around faith is subject to their assessment of that institution's credibility and appeal. We can definitely wipe out religion for the vast majority of the population, given time, education, and material prosperity.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: xcalibur on November 08, 2011, 05:01:52 am
The response of some Republicans to the Herman Cain scandal is utterly repulsive. While many defenses have been raised for Cain, the one I am referring it is Republican claims that Cain is innocent because there is no such thing as sexual harassment, or that while it might once have existed, it no longer does.
Wait.

Are they saying that the idea of sexually harassing someone is fictitious, and that even if it did happen, it doesn't happen anymore?

...

What is WRONG with these people?

The first thing a man will do for his ideals is lie - Joseph Schumpeter.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on November 08, 2011, 05:11:19 am
I'm a deist, btw.
Nice perception! I wasn't aware we had any Deists on the Compendium, but it's great to have a new perspective! That said, I'm going to study more into the philosophy.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: xcalibur on November 08, 2011, 05:42:51 am
I think there's always going to be faith, but there doesn't always have to be religion, and spiritualism. The desire to believe is evolved into us, and every person (genetic engineering notwithstanding) will have to learn to cope with that predilection, and restrain it appropriately, but an individual's subscription to any social institution built around faith is subject to their assessment of that institution's credibility and appeal. We can definitely wipe out religion for the vast majority of the population, given time, education, and material prosperity.

I find this doubtful. Religion is a highly persistent force, and as you said it's built into our psychology. Primitive tribes had their animist beliefs, somewhat more advanced societies developed paganism with various personalities as gods, and then there are thought out, structured religions with cosmology and detailed scriptures. It has always been around. Once a viable religion starts, it can grow quickly, and even major suppression can't stop it. The Romans trampled their Christians, only for the Christians to eventually take over. Atheist communist governments have suppressed religion in their respective countries, only for it to persist and grow again after governmental collapse.

You might argue that organized religion is susceptible to education and information. That may be true, but religious organizations are just as varied and pervasive as ever. The same technology that helps an individual research and become aware has flung religious traditions around the world. We might be able to defeat theocracy, but not organized religion.

I predict that when we eventually colonize space, as we must, religion will continue to be present. A collapse of religion in the world is simply not realistic.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on November 08, 2011, 06:01:04 am
That's an excellent point of view, xcalibur. Although Religion cannot be eradicated, however, there are some instances of control of religious ethnics either by the government or the people themselves. I always talked about the superiority of the Indian culture for its tolerance, but leaving that aside there are other examples where Governments manage to intervene to curb chaos and restlessness among the groups.

Just for information, here's the situation in Kazakhstan where unity of both religious and non-religious folks was the result of the Government, and not the People: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Kazakhstan
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 08, 2011, 06:12:19 am
@ xcalibur:

I agree that total elimination is not likely, so long as we assume natural born humans. Religion is extremely sticky a concept; once created it's very difficult for it to go extinct. However, you misunderstood me when I said that the propensity toward faith is built into the human condition. Faith, yes. Religion, no. Religion is an invention, far more malleable than the faith impulse underpinning it, and has already eliminated previous versions of itself many times as a part of the social evolution.

That's important. It gives us with an opening to eventually correct this tremendous mistake without resorting to the same tools of oppression and conquest which religion itself uses to spread and endure. Through education, we may make people more scientifically literate, more critical, and more disposed toward philosophical fulfillment. Religion provides various benefits that are available more purely elsewhere in life. It also lays a heavy hand on the mores of society, which can easily build resentment toward it (among those who cannot escape the hand) or apathy toward it (among those who can). Meanwhile, through continued prosperity, we can give people the kind of lifestyles which naturally lead away from religion.

Religion has already imploded over the last century. Life as we know it would not be possible otherwise. Today, secular societies dominate many corners of the Earth, and many segments of people within societies are secular. In short, I think you give too much credit to religion's staying power. Its strongest roots lie in the ignorant, the downtrodden, and the indoctrinated. All of those conditions are correctable.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: xcalibur on November 08, 2011, 08:13:22 am
That's an excellent point of view, xcalibur. Although Religion cannot be eradicated, however, there are some instances of control of religious ethnics either by the government or the people themselves. I always talked about the superiority of the Indian culture for its tolerance, but leaving that aside there are other examples where Governments manage to intervene to curb chaos and restlessness among the groups.

Just for information, here's the situation in Kazakhstan where unity of both religious and non-religious folks was the result of the Government, and not the People: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Kazakhstan

thanks for the link. It seems that pluralism is the best response. The key is separation of church and state, and curbing extremists with pluralism, decent standards of living, and maybe govt intervention.


@ xcalibur:

I agree that total elimination is not likely, so long as we assume natural born humans. Religion is extremely sticky a concept; once created it's very difficult for it to go extinct. However, you misunderstood me when I said that the propensity toward faith is built into the human condition. Faith, yes. Religion, no. Religion is an invention, far more malleable than the faith impulse underpinning it, and has already eliminated previous versions of itself many times as a part of the social evolution.

That's important. It gives us with an opening to eventually correct this tremendous mistake without resorting to the same tools of oppression and conquest which religion itself uses to spread and endure. Through education, we may make people more scientifically literate, more critical, and more disposed toward philosophical fulfillment. Religion provides various benefits that are available more purely elsewhere in life. It also lays a heavy hand on the mores of society, which can easily build resentment toward it (among those who cannot escape the hand) or apathy toward it (among those who can). Meanwhile, through continued prosperity, we can give people the kind of lifestyles which naturally lead away from religion.

Religion has already imploded over the last century. Life as we know it would not be possible otherwise. Today, secular societies dominate many corners of the Earth, and many segments of people within societies are secular. In short, I think you give too much credit to religion's staying power. Its strongest roots lie in the ignorant, the downtrodden, and the indoctrinated. All of those conditions are correctable.

cyborgs and transhumanism won't be an issue for the time being. but it will be interesting to see how such a revolution would interact with established impulses and mores.

It is true that religion is malleable, and has destroyed and rebuilt itself a number of times. However, the faith impulse naturally finds its expression in religion, whether that's as simple as worshipping animal spirits or as complex as Buddhist philosophy. Another issue here is the longevity of a viable religion - the major world religions have long outlasted the civilizations that spawned them. They've gone through times of prosperity, chaos, and transformation, yet are still here.

I'm all for more science, critical thinking, and the propagation of knowledge. It tends to dispel fundamentalist/superstitious beliefs at least. However, there have been plenty of sharp minds and wealthy people involved in religion. It naturally appeals to downtrodden and uneducated peasants, but it appeals to many others across the continuum as well. Buddhism is popular among many social classes, including the rich and powerful (consider Ashoka's role in spreading the religion). Jainism has very high rates of literacy and education. Christianity and Islam likewise appeal to everyone from oil tycoons to convicts.

There has indeed been a rise in secularism, but that isn't unique. The Enlightenment era of the 1700's also promoted secular thought and culture, but that did not eliminate organized religion. Even with this wave of New Atheism, led by Dawkins, Hitchens and others, I don't see religion disappearing. You say I overestimate religion, but I say you underestimate it. Given its track record, it seems to me like a social force that can be controlled, restrained, or harnessed, but not stamped out.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Syna on November 08, 2011, 10:49:50 am
New Atheism has no long-term cultural traction. It's a movement for the times, perhaps even limited to a period as specific as this decade. There is very little compelling about it; it is adolescent and reactionary in nature, but without the creative catalysts of similarly adolescent movements, like rock and roll. I'm not saying atheism or secularism are doomed, or anything nearly that ill-sighted -- not in the least -- but even now there's plenty of evidence that secular humanism is evolving in a particular direction, one the hardline proponents of Scientism, and the Dawkinites, are going to be screaming and wailing about for years.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on November 08, 2011, 03:12:00 pm
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There has indeed been a rise in secularism, but that isn't unique. The Enlightenment era of the 1700's also promoted secular thought and culture, but that did not eliminate organized religion.

To the world's everlasting regret. How cool was the Cult of Reason? How much better might democracies around the world function without religion to dilute human interest in politics, or pervert it altogether (with wedge issues like abortion and other moral crises)? How much less willing would people tolerate oppression if they realized that there is no rosy afterlife awaiting? How radically different might the world be without the religious right existing as a voting bloc in America?

Sigh.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Syna on November 08, 2011, 04:17:19 pm
I hate that "get counseling" is every American's go-to response to problems, some of which are the simple, natural result of a confusing and tumultuous and transient and shadowy reality. But fuck it all, some people really need counseling. I wish I weren't in this position so often: close to someone with major depression, who -- due to the major depression -- is unmotivated and resistant to the idea of going anywhere or doing anything about the depression. Someone whose body is stuck in the idea that their particular lens of reality, which perceives the world as morbid and lifeless, sees the true underlying current of things.

I know there's a limit I can do, and it's not that I see that perspective as wrong, or as easy to alter. I just wish I could DO SOMETHING TO HELP.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Mr Bekkler on November 08, 2011, 04:19:05 pm
I'm a deist, btw.

Me too. Interesting. I didn't think there were any others on here.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on November 08, 2011, 04:48:27 pm
I know there's a limit I can do, and it's not that I see that perspective as wrong, or as easy to alter. I just wish I could DO SOMETHING TO HELP.
Same here. It's not an easy task to help a friend out of that kind of darkness, as RushingWind said once. It probably also isn't the time and place to offer opinions, Syna, but hopefully the following links help (GAAHH! I lost all AFP links!):

http://www.apa.org/pubs/books/4317089.aspx
http://www.apa.org/topics/depress/recover.aspx
http://www.psychologicalscience.org/index.php/news/releases/56086.html

And many from ----> http://www.psychologicalscience.org/
But I lost the links... sorry...

One thing's for sure: trying to encourage him/her to be happy by directly implying it won't help, so you'll need suggestive influence to help. Here's some tips.

1) Influence him to smile! Don't ask him to, but influence situations that he'd do it anyway. Reason being, smiling assists mental imagery to simulate emotions, and it works the other way too. Frowning, even if artificially, makes you angrier.
2) One thing I told RW, "Share happiness and it multiplies, but share sorrow and it depletes". Approach empathetically and see if he can confide in you. You don't need to offer advice. Just hear him out, and allow him to open up.
3) Is he attached to art? Sometimes hobby, Zen or meditation helps alleviate negative emotions.
4) See if he'd like to join you for daily morning exercise. Physical fitness and fresh air helps improve mental balance.
5) Get a pet, and give him some responsibility to take care of it: not only does it lower blood pressure, but animal responsibility and empathy promotes positive emotions
6) Help him understand the significance of emotional generosity: help him give love without expecting any returns, and how to enjoy it. Emotional generosity also promotes positive maturity.
7) Help him develop esteem by giving him some problems to solve. Establish trust, and allow him to try "fix" something on his own.
8) Ah, one last thing I forgot! Appeal to the guy's professional status rather than empathetic at times. You can find out why it works on that website.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 08, 2011, 04:50:22 pm
It is true that religion is malleable, and has destroyed and rebuilt itself a number of times. However, the faith impulse naturally finds its expression in religion, whether that's as simple as worshipping animal spirits or as complex as Buddhist philosophy.

Ah, but religious faith is not the only form which faith can take! It is simply the most dramatic and the most dangerous. Other forms of faith do not invoke the divine and thus are, if nothing else, not subject to claims of divine authority. Faith-based thinking occurs throughout life, even in people who are not religious if they do not take care.

There has indeed been a rise in secularism, but that isn't unique. The Enlightenment era of the 1700's also promoted secular thought and culture, but that did not eliminate organized religion.

Although I used the word "century" earlier, to refer to some of the most radical changes for the general population as a result of religion's weakening grasp, all of this is a derivative of the Enlightenment and the ensuing Industrial Revolution. In a sense, we're still in that period now.

Given its track record, it seems to me like a social force that can be controlled, restrained, or harnessed, but not stamped out.

Probably correct, and, in any case, very probably the basis for the best policies moving forward. Even I would not outlaw religion simply because it is religion. What I would do is prevent religion from meddling with the affairs of state, and relieve children from the indoctrination of their parents through a stronger public education. That will minimize religion without criminalizing its adherents.

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New Atheism has no long-term cultural traction. It's a movement for the times, perhaps even limited to a period as specific as this decade. There is very little compelling about it; it is adolescent and reactionary in nature, but without the creative catalysts of similarly adolescent movements, like rock and roll.

I agree. I don't even consider myself a member of the movement. Atheism doesn't have legs to stand on. The atheistic position simply negates a premise. At best, atheism is defined by its opposition to religion and spirituality. An enduring secularism, I think, must be a positive movement which asserts its own premises--and I propose humanism as the basis therefor.

I hate that "get counseling" is every American's go-to response to problems, some of which are the simple, natural result of a confusing and tumultuous and transient and shadowy reality. But fuck it all, some people really need counseling. I wish I weren't in this position so often: close to someone with major depression, who -- due to the major depression -- is unmotivated and resistant to the idea of going anywhere or doing anything about the depression.

I know there's a limit I can do, and it's not that I see that perspective as wrong, or as easy to alter. I just wish I could DO SOMETHING TO HELP.

Oh, golly, can I relate to that. Having had the good fortune to deal with all my demons at the more tender ages of childhood, I haven't had mental problems since. Yet some of my dearest friends have! Indeed...I think more of my friends than not have had psychological problems.

My dad is a psychologist--oh dear, I'm sounding like Daniel Krispin--and I learned from him the legitimacy of the field of psychology. I also learned how psychologists are passed over in favor of psychiatrists who often will only medicate a problem. Most people need professionally licensed counseling. There are so many "therapists" and whatnot out there, but only a fully trained psychologist (or the rare psychiatrist who is willing to spend time counseling) has the understanding and tools necessary for this extremely fragile and dangerous endeavor of working with a troubled mind.

I'm very wary of armchair psychology by people who are trying to be helpful but don't really know what they are doing, yet I often find myself in the position of, like you, wanting to do something to help, not knowing exactly what to say or do, and having no psychologist in the cabinet that I can whip out and flip on.

It's a big growth process. Empathizing doesn't come naturally to me, and one gets a lot of experience at it simply by having friends and spending time with them. Even the ones who don't really have any problems, have problems!

I guess that's life.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: xcalibur on November 10, 2011, 01:46:28 am
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There has indeed been a rise in secularism, but that isn't unique. The Enlightenment era of the 1700's also promoted secular thought and culture, but that did not eliminate organized religion.

To the world's everlasting regret. How cool was the Cult of Reason? How much better might democracies around the world function without religion to dilute human interest in politics, or pervert it altogether (with wedge issues like abortion and other moral crises)? How much less willing would people tolerate oppression if they realized that there is no rosy afterlife awaiting? How radically different might the world be without the religious right existing as a voting bloc in America?

Sigh.

The cult of reason was cool. I've read that they actually wanted to introduce a new calendar with logical structure. they didn't succeed in that, but they did establish the metric system, which most of the world uses (except the US which is trolling everyone).

all of those are valid concerns. religion definitely isn't all bad. but in its worse forms, it does very strange things to peoples minds, which often impedes constructive progress.



Ah, but religious faith is not the only form which faith can take! It is simply the most dramatic and the most dangerous. Other forms of faith do not invoke the divine and thus are, if nothing else, not subject to claims of divine authority. Faith-based thinking occurs throughout life, even in people who are not religious if they do not take care.
faith-based thought can apply to many areas, that is true. but religious faith does seem to have a natural pull to it, given its history and near ubiquity.

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Although I used the word "century" earlier, to refer to some of the most radical changes for the general population as a result of religion's weakening grasp, all of this is a derivative of the Enlightenment and the ensuing Industrial Revolution. In a sense, we're still in that period now.

maybe so, although we're getting into broad historiography here. I'm not sure if I would credit all the changes to a decline in religion, although rationalism has taken us far.

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Probably correct, and, in any case, very probably the basis for the best policies moving forward. Even I would not outlaw religion simply because it is religion. What I would do is prevent religion from meddling with the affairs of state, and relieve children from the indoctrination of their parents through a stronger public education. That will minimize religion without criminalizing its adherents.

I'll agree with that.

~~~ ~~~ ~~~

and secular humanism would be a great philosophy for the future. even that won't replace religion, though - not with so many people dedicated to it, such as hafiz who memorize every word and syllable of the quran. but it could be a very viable alternative.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on November 10, 2011, 01:26:47 pm
My guiding ethical principal is Socrates' dictum "There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance." It's hard for me to express the outrage I feel at this report:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/10/animal_extinction/

Due to the ignorance of superstitious individuals, who, in spite of all ignorance, clung to the belief that rhino horns had restorative properties, the Western Black rhino has been poached to extinction. A pox on everyone who participated in or condoned this senseless genocide. Ignorance impoverishes the world.

There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Synchronization on November 10, 2011, 02:28:01 pm
I hate that being a Chrono Trigger fan never seems to be enough to warrant an automatic joint gaming session between myself and a fellow fan. 
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on November 10, 2011, 03:50:45 pm
My guiding ethical principal is Socrates' dictum "There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance."
There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance.
Off topic, but pertaining to your principal: There are two kinds of 'Ignorance', one being the 'innocent' kind and the other being the 'evil' kind. The former is one that cannot be helped, since it resides within every life-form in existence, even those who think they know everything. Do you mean the other one or ignorance in general? XD

As for knowledge being 'good', it is also capable of destruction and chaos. In which case 'knowledge' is neither good nor evil, but a commodity to set events in motion or build/destroy stuff.

Back to topic....

 :picardno

That Rhino-horn case again, aye? I thought these people learned their already, but now we lost another beautiful species. And now that it's extinct, the poachers are probably gonna overprice it because "fuck you, Rhinos". Dear, Jove...

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The study found that despite the best efforts of animal conservationists, one-quarter of the world's mammals are now endangered.

The western black rhino is a sub-species of Black rhino which has been poached to extinction by criminal gangs who want to trade the animals' valuable horns.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 10, 2011, 07:44:21 pm
My guiding ethical principal is Socrates' dictum "There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance."

I remember when I first saw this from Socrates. At that point I had already come up with my own definition of evil, "ignorance or willful ignorance," and I remember putting a pretty big feather in my cap that day. I was more susceptible to the conceits of being validated by the great geniuses of history by independently reproducing and indeed improving upon their work--as not only had I identified the two forms of ignorance with clarity and brevity, but had done so with great ease.

I'm not sure that he's right about the definition of good, though. Unless one uses an unproductively broad sense of the word "knowledge," there is more to it than just knowledge, as indeed I would assert that "good" is rather a very complex status condition with multiple prerequisites.

As for our mass extinction of animals (and plants and others), I do think about that on occasion. So much loss, and these are lineages that are never going to come back. I'm not one to say that life should be preserved simply because it is life, but neither should we be destroying species with complete unawareness or indifference about it, and no positive reason directly relating to it, and plenty of ways to offset the destruction while pursuing our economic goals.

It's enough to make a person sad.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on November 11, 2011, 11:22:04 pm
As a general rule, I tend to operate more under an "Ignorance is the root of all evil and knowledge is the root of all good" than the strict Socratic dictum. This handles Tushantin's two types of ignorance issue, as it still holds when someone well meaning causes harm out of ignorance. As for the case of good, I'm generally comfortable considering good as deliberate enrichment, which might be a bit vague for you, Josh. I hope this helps clarify a bit, although as I'm fighting off illness, I can't guarantee philosophical rigor at the moment.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on November 12, 2011, 07:52:56 am
Brother's birthday today, but one of his good friends' father had his shoulder fractured while another friend broke his ankle. Weird way to start a happy day...

I told his friend to go and rest for two whole months, but he cared more about not disappointing my brother. "Party today, plaster tomorrow".

Don't know if I should be happy or sad. The guy can't even walk.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on November 12, 2011, 10:32:49 pm
My fingers are too small for my violin. Why can't I pour water on em and make em grow like other things?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on November 15, 2011, 01:12:53 pm
Not knowing. Not about any specific thing, mind you, but the lack of information in general, and particularly on topics that we should have information for.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on November 15, 2011, 01:54:01 pm
D and I might break up.

I hate being in this position.  I want to be enough.  I want to be healthy.  I want to be with him.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 15, 2011, 02:02:42 pm
Not knowing. Not about any specific thing, mind you, but the lack of information in general, and particularly on topics that we should have information for.

I agree with that wholeheartedly.

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D and I might break up.

I hate being in this position.  I want to be enough.  I want to be healthy.  I want to be with him.

Oh, Saj. =(

I know how much he means to you. No, of course I don't. I know only the shadow of it that you have shared with us here and elsewhere. I really have no idea the full truth of it. But he makes you happier and has helped you to get through your many hardships, and that's a terrible kind of relationship to lose.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on November 15, 2011, 02:21:56 pm
D and I might break up.

I hate being in this position.  I want to be enough.  I want to be healthy.  I want to be with him.
I'm sorry to hear that Saj. I don't know him, but from what you've described of him I've no doubts in my mind that he's quite a stand up bloke.

I can't comment on your situation, but I'm sure the decision means a lot to you. Relationships are fragile illusions, because in the end it's your feelings that matter, it's your love that deepens, and the passion that simply can't be snuffed out. Don't let labels and bonds restrict your love, because they do not define how you feel; break up or not, the truest bond is in the eyes that meet and in the end, if you truly love him, you know where to find him. The healthiest relationship comes from love, trust, happiness, passion and faith.

Beyond that, I really can't say more because I'm hardly aware of the situation. Hope everything goes well for you two.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Katie Skyye on November 15, 2011, 03:16:32 pm
D and I might break up.

I hate being in this position.  I want to be enough.  I want to be healthy.  I want to be with him.

I really can't say anything regarding this because I don't know fully what's going on...
..but if you'd regret breaking up with him, then I'd recommend not doing it. But if it's him breaking up with you, then I have nothing to offer...

I hope all ends well.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on November 15, 2011, 08:48:37 pm
D and I might break up.

There's really nothing we can say that doesn't downplay crappiness of that situation. I just hope that there is some small glimmer of comfort in knowing that we commiserate as best we can.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on November 17, 2011, 01:20:51 pm
In keeping with my Socratic theme, I hate this:

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/updates/1906

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“I’m not supposed to know anything about foreign policy,” Cain said. “I want to talk to commanders on the ground. Because you run for president (people say) you need to have the answer. No, you don’t! No, you don’t! That’s not good decision-making.”

Ignorance is not a virtue. An ignorant person can not solve problems. To seek out the office of presidency while proudly ignorant of knowledge needed to execute that office is deliberate evil. Stand down, Cain.

Also, this:

http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/post/2011/11/tsa-mica/566727/1

The TSA is one of those rare organizations, the KKK among them, where if you know someone is involved in that organization, from the child molesters at the airport, to the administrators dreaming up new ways to rob you and give you cancer in DC, is utterly, maliciously, and irredeemably evil. Elevating the TSA administrator's authority is the height of folly: This office has been held entirely by known frauds and traitors. These are individuals so outrageously evil that in the battle between humanity and cancer, they have sided with cancer.

As for the majority of people polled who view the TSA in a positive light...Clearly, education is needed.

Every last individual working in the TSA from its formation forward needs to be locked up, and the whole organization scrapped. Let's have real security, not security theater and its inherit abuses.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on November 17, 2011, 01:52:29 pm
Power-tripping securi-bots. Fuck them.

"Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me."
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 17, 2011, 02:24:22 pm
I interpret many TSA workers as victims, not evildoers. They're ill-trained, poorly-paid, made to do some difficult work from passengers who often mistreat them, and generally don't have the top hats to set off my evil radar. The bad eggs bring bad PR to the whole industry, but I've never had any negative experiences at airports myself. Most of these people are fellow 99 percenters. My only recent bad memory experience was a tarmac crew worker in Phoenix who threw my backpack (which I could see from my seat in the plane) so hard that it fell on the ground.

I'll fully agree that our present airport security apparatus needs to be completely redesigned.

Personally, though, I prefer the body scanner machines to the fun of a much more personal search. In fact, so long as the radiation concerns can be mitigated (which is not a problem at all in many designs), I'm not against them at all. Bean-counting-type jobs are never as fun as they seem to outsiders. Most people would get inured to looking at that imagery really fast, and I'm not so puritanical that I feel violated if some badge looks at a picture of my naked outline.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Katie Skyye on November 17, 2011, 03:44:19 pm
My only recent bad memory experience was a tarmac crew worker in Phoenix who threw my backpack (which I could see from my seat in the plane) so hard that it fell on the ground.

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Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on November 18, 2011, 10:10:39 am
It's over.  He made his decision Tuesday night.

I'm not sure where to go from here.  All I know is that I do not want to go anywhere near where my parents live.  Too many awful memories.  Maybe I'll scrape some money together and go to Alaska.  All I know is that I do not want to stay in this state.

I've decided to cut off all contact from him.  I can't begin to make sense of this while he is still in my life.  I never thought I would say this, but I wish I had never met him.  The past five years feel like such a lie.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: alfadorredux on November 18, 2011, 10:49:32 am
Damn. I'm really sorry to hear that, Saj. Wish there was something I could do. :cry:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on November 18, 2011, 11:09:13 am
The first thing I'd do is buy Saj a chocolate ice cream. I know, it's irrelevant to what's going on, but trust me, she needs a chocolate ice cream. Not sure if Alaskans sell ice creams.

@Saj: I'm so sorry. And I thought he was a swell guy, with what you described him. Don't know why he'd do that...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 18, 2011, 11:13:44 am
You still have yourself, Saj...the delights of the senses, and the muses of your imagination. I wish you comfort and strength.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on November 18, 2011, 12:41:41 pm
Saj, I'm sure you can feel free to reach out to any of your friends here over PM or IM if you need someone to talk to. And if this leaves you without a place to stay, don't hesitate to ask for a second set of eyes to help you look for whatever social services and stuff might be in your area, if you need to go that route.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on November 18, 2011, 02:45:17 pm
I interpret many TSA workers as victims, not evildoers. They're ill-trained, poorly-paid, made to do some difficult work from passengers who often mistreat them, and generally don't have the top hats to set off my evil radar. The bad eggs bring bad PR to the whole industry, but I've never had any negative experiences at airports myself. Most of these people are fellow 99 percenters. My only recent bad memory experience was a tarmac crew worker in Phoenix who threw my backpack (which I could see from my seat in the plane) so hard that it fell on the ground.

They're all the bad eggs. The execution of their duties necessitates doing evil for evil's sake. The grunts are the burglars, the child molesters, the cancer-causers. They knowingly and deliberately perpetrate evil on their fellow humans simply for evil's sake. Their modest salaries are not indicative of virtue. This isn't Jean Valjean stealing a loaf of bread. This is some high school drop out stealing materials he knows to be safe under the lie that they are dangerous, and then just throwing them out.

Personally, though, I prefer the body scanner machines to the fun of a much more personal search. In fact, so long as the radiation concerns can be mitigated (which is not a problem at all in many designs), I'm not against them at all. Bean-counting-type jobs are never as fun as they seem to outsiders. Most people would get inured to looking at that imagery really fast, and I'm not so puritanical that I feel violated if some badge looks at a picture of my naked outline.

The scanners, which provide no security benefit, cannot be made safe, because they necessarily expose you to ionizing radiation. The best thing that can be said of the machines is that most of the people they will give cancer to are the very monsters trying to cause cancer in innocent travelers. The entire program should be dismantled, and Chertoff and the bureaucrats he conned should all be rotting in prison for fraud and assault with a deadly weapon.

~~~

Saj, I'm so sorry to hear that. It is wise of you to cut off contact with him, but don't cut yourself off from your friends.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 18, 2011, 03:22:20 pm
@RD: We don't usually disagree on this sort of thing, and, since I haven't got the grounding in this issue that you seem to have, I'll hold my peace for now and learn more about the issue at some point. (You may direct me to resources if you like, but don't go to any trouble.) I'm sure, meanwhile, that you can appreciate my wariness at so broadly painting the low-paid workers of an industry in such negative terms. Since I don't know what you apparently do, I can't and wouldn't do that right now. Also, my skepticism remains. Though my exposure to the issue is limited mostly to my personal airport experiences and some news articles I've read about the body scanners, I find it difficult to accept that not only has the government created such an evil entity, but that all the low-rung workers in it are evil too.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on November 18, 2011, 06:00:27 pm
Saj,RD and Fautwolf are quite right in that this is the time to rely on your social network for support. There's little that we can do, but what there is, you only have to ask. Hopefully you know people who, due to being a person in physical space rather than words through a computer terminal, will be able to provide far more meaningful comforts.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on November 19, 2011, 07:36:01 am
Thank you for your kind words, everyone.  <3

It hurts very badly right now, but I am taking it surprisingly well.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on November 19, 2011, 12:02:40 pm
It hurts very badly right now, but I am taking it surprisingly well.
Still sure you don't want a choco ice cream? XD

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Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kodokami on November 19, 2011, 12:12:26 pm
Still sure you don't want a choco ice cream? XD
I thought that said chocobo ice cream. :lol:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 19, 2011, 12:20:42 pm
Scientific illiteracy. In want of that, the world becomes a superstitious, spiritual place where the private prejudice of belief trumps the reality of nature. We all have passions, and we all have convictions, but those of us who possess a literacy in science have a much better opportunity to develop those passions based upon the conditions of the real world, and are much likelier to defend our convictions in the court of reason.

Our species is one with a lot of potential, and with nearly as much waste. Just as surely as people never make good judgments without cause, so too do people never make bad ones without cause. Even the most misguided believer is led to adopt those views from circumstances and intellect. Looking at the character of individuals, it's easier to conclude that most societies fail most people than it is to conclude that most people fail themselves. Certainly a segment of the population may simple be uncivilizable due to a genetic or developed incompatibility with our Civilization. But that's not the legacy of people like Hitler, or bin Laden. If they had been raised differently, they would not have become purveyors of evil.

It is, instead, the people who are denied an education in the natural world who suffer the worst outcomes. It is the lack of the understanding of biology, of geology, of cosmology, of chemistry and of physics, which leads people to assert what purified inanities they inevitably cherish.

There are many ways to fail in character: poor judgment, incuriosity, lack of ambition, stupidity, lack of self-control, and more. Societies often lead people to those failings, and the individuals themselves, lacking a finer grain, commit themselves to wasting their lives--and often harming other people's lives. What's so tragic about this is not the people who through ignorance consign themselves to irrelevance, but the people who possess that "little bit of learning" that Pope described, enough intelligence to be smart, but not wise. These are the people who often aspire toward noble things, and it is, ultimately, their scientific illiteracy which corrupts them. Imagine what the bad guys could have done if they had been among the good guys. In my years here at the Compendium I have seen people go down that road, most recently tushantin, willingly embracing all the right ideals in all the wrong ways. Ultimately, these people become the enemies of humanity, and it falls to people of good conscience to constrain their perversions.

But it also falls to us to promote a world where people seek to understand the world. Begone, O illiteracy of science! Begone, and so many of these seemingly inexorable human tragedies will never even begin.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on November 19, 2011, 02:33:31 pm
Still sure you don't want a choco ice cream? XD
I thought that said chocobo ice cream. :lol:
That depends. Are Saj and you vegetarian?  :lol:

@Josh: Don't you have anything better to do?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Katie Skyye on November 19, 2011, 03:41:55 pm
Still sure you don't want a choco ice cream? XD
I thought that said chocobo ice cream. :lol:
That depends. Are Saj and you vegetarian?  :lol:

@Josh: Don't you have anything better to do?

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...close enough!


And no, he doesn't--except when he 'doesn't have time to reply' due to other pressing concerns. And don't worry, Josh, I am not questioning that you have a busy life. Only that you seem to not have anything better to do but write really long replies--except when you have no time at all. But what do I know?
Anyway, sorry about your descent into madness, Tushantin. When you eventually become an enemy of humanity, call me up so I can do away with you. It's what's best.

(Not that I don't agree with 90% 80% 60% most of what Josh is saying...but I don't want to mess with the adorableness of this Choco/Chocobo thing going on.)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 19, 2011, 04:18:06 pm
And no, he doesn't--except when he 'doesn't have time to reply' due to other pressing concerns. And don't worry, Josh, I am not questioning that you have a busy life. Only that you seem to not have anything better to do but write really long replies--except when you have no time at all.

It's mostly a function of how much I am willing to procrastinate, and how much thinking power any given post takes. My terribly backlogged reply to Syna about the Islamic veil, and my not-belated but certainly slow-in-coming reply to Thought about abortion, require more attention than I can spare in between my other commitments. They aren't appropriate for quick completion, and I treat them differently.

Most of my posts here are quick and easy to write, take little time (even when they are long), and are an excellent way of getting out of doing other things that I really should be doing. For instance, I'm writing this reply instead of getting started on my next work item! But now, sadly, the reply is done. =(
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on November 19, 2011, 08:25:45 pm
J and tush, I think you two need to step back and take a breather. We've never had an atmosphere here that discouraged arguments, and I see little reason for that to change. However, I think everyone benefits most when the people involved in an argument are lobbing their best stuff at each other, and addressing the ideologies that have taken root in one another's minds, rather than resorting to personal jabs. There's a fine line there for sure, but I may not be the only onlooker who suspects it's long been crossed. Your rivalry now looks little different than school kids spray painting "tush sucks!" and "J's a big meanie!" on competing walls. Just with bigger words.

I've gotten to know both of you (I think) fairly well over the past few years, and I want to tell you both something I'm pretty confident I've learned about the other.

J: tushantin wants to learn, and to grow. His time in this environment has enriched him. There's not a speck of doubt in my mind that I've seen it happen, and this is why I respect him as a friend and artist. That he would take the time to slave over a series of posts that are as long as some pieces of legislation shows that he's willing to go down the road of exploring these issues; his understanding may not be as deep as you desire to see, and it may be colored by his local culture in a way that appears as if it will always remain with him to some degree -- but that's how the rest of us all start out. From what I can tell, tushantin's exploration of sexual equality is something that's gradually yawned open over the past year, and I'm sure he's received plenty of encouragement to do so thanks to this environment. Writing him off as "evil" when he's still setting out on his journey can only seem counter-productive to me. There comes a point when a social champion must write off certain people, true, but I think your objective would benefit if you're willing to engage with people over a longer scale, so long as they give a signal that they're open to growing further.

Secondly, I'd like to make a suggestion that should probably go in your philosophy feedback thread, but if you'll oblige me I'll leave it here. I've gotten the sense that your insights are most effective when you focus on concepts and not the people who hold them; as an example, your commentary on fat prejudice had a very quick impact on me when you first raised it here, and made me realize that my own bigotedness toward fat was really, well, just my own desire to be bigoted against something. Fat bigotry is something of a cultural artifact I think, and perhaps those are where your ammunition is best directed. Had we gotten into a debate on it while I was still fat-bigoted, I'm sure I would have drawn on the common cultural wisdom out of my natural fight-or-flight response -- which I think applies just as much to Internet forums as it does in real life. When going cross-culture, you may not necessarily require first-hand experience with things given your particular way of thinking, but you may do well to tango directly with the cultural artifacts as they arise in conversation.

I want to make it clear I'm not saying this only out of a desire to reduce tension in the community -- I'm also drawing on my great love of efficiency. With regard to the former concern, people still hold cultural artifacts dear inasmuch as these give them a sense of place and belonging, so I'm not sure it would really reduce tension on average anyway. I'm reminded of the meaning tushantin finds in the Indian bracelet ritual he spoke of earlier, where the brother swears to protect the sister -- this is something very important to him on a fundamental level, so I'm sure he would report that our criticism of it riled him up. However, there is still an element of the argument that could sink in: if women are taught defensive techniques with the rigor men are in whatever culture, the outcome could be superior. Contrast this with, "tushantin is evil, and he's not worthy of my insights," which is how your latest post in this thread comes across. Secondly, if I may draw on Thought's love of analogy: your approach has been something like the Ebola virus, slamming people mercilessly at the center and in whole; HIV probably does a lot more work over a longer period of time targeting all those individual antibodies the body could draw on to resist, but last I heard, HIV has claimed way more territory than Ebola. You may take my report as just one more anecdote in any case.


tush: You can rest assured J is just as willing to slam an American as he would any Indian he happens to encounter. J is frequently overbearing simply because his mind exists outside most of our reference points; I take him at his word when he says he's figured things out completely on his own, without much cultural absorption factoring into his thinking. If you can look past his abrasiveness I think you'll find some very interesting pieces of wisdom you wouldn't have found anywhere else, and that's why I respect him as a friend and artist. J's insights are the kind that are best appreciated over time; given how far the angst between you has grown, you may very well decide that further interaction is useless, but you may reflect on at least of few of the things he's said with warmth after much time has passed, if you can imagine that!


To you both: The biggest problem point I've seen is your mutual tendency to rush in at one another right after he's made a post on a subject that you've argued on previously. I can provide one example for each of you, and analysis upon request, but I have a feeling you've both sensed this anyway. Waiting can be a valuable skill, and is indeed appreciated by members who also feel strongly on these subjects but may not have the time to post for a few days; I've found that the amount of time we have to spend here waxes and wanes as things in our non-Internet lives take us, and giving some time for our cycles to match up may be worth it in the long run. That one or the other of you posts doesn't constitute an immediate emergency; furthermore, if you allow a few more people in the room, you may find that the resulting atmosphere has a way of clearing the air and dissipating the force of emotion that can get wrapped up in your communications.

I was tempted to direct you both to the "Ignore User" button, but whaddaya know -- we don't have one here that I can find! My hope is that if you take some time off from one another, you can get back to a level of debate that's worthwhile for you both later.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 19, 2011, 08:45:57 pm
Faust! Thank you for that bit of perspective. I'm afraid I won't be changing my deeply negative view of tushantin anytime soon, and goodness knows I've sounded the drum before about the value of standing up for one's convictions even when they are unpopular, but at the same time I think you're right that tush means well and, more importantly, I think you're spot-on to suggest that this nonsense between him and me is past the point of doing any good for any one. I would add him to that ignore user list if only we had one! In lieu of that I will simply have to do a better job of behaving myself. =)

Edit: As to that bit about focusing on ideas and not their human exponents...my jury is still out. I really don't think the two are as separable as people seem to suppose.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Katie Skyye on November 19, 2011, 09:51:29 pm
J and tush...the entire damn post...for you both later.

I just want to say that that was really well-said! Much better than I managed. Not that either of us seemed to do much good, but that's how it is.

Anyway, what is this, the Stuff you hate thread? Well, right now, I don't hate anything! Seeya!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Manly Man on November 19, 2011, 09:52:06 pm
Not sure if Alaskans sell ice creams.

Just so you know, per capita, the most ice cream in the nation is sold in Alaska.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Truthordeal on November 19, 2011, 10:46:36 pm
Well, if you sell one person in Alaska an ice cream, you've sold it to 90% of the non-polar bear population.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on November 20, 2011, 05:44:19 am
Thanks Faust. I really wish we had an ignore button here though. While I'm not the kind of person who'd ignore someone, I think sometimes people just get to you. But you're right, though, and I'll take your word for it.

I'd just like to clarify one thing though. I'm a man of liberty who never ties himself to the background of tradition, but there's a reason I occasionally keep getting back to it. Every knowledge in this world is consequential and important, and much like the columnist Tarak Mehta, I have an eye for spotting good artifacts in traditions from the bad -- and when I find those good traditions to be useful for community growth and integrity I decide to share it with you folks. Just as Thought once stated, I'm the kinda guy who finds gold in the rubble of old civilizations, or perhaps the redeemer of the very dragon I slay.

And that is indeed a good quality for an ideal individual to possess.

I'm reminded of the meaning tushantin finds in the Indian bracelet ritual he spoke of earlier, where the brother swears to protect the sister -- this is something very important to him on a fundamental level, so I'm sure he would report that our criticism of it riled him up.
You mean Rakshabandhan, and it's an important ritual for a reason -- it helps the genders form a mutual pact to battle misogyny, especially since injustices are common. The ritual was created by a woman and accepted by a King with the idea that women are not only biologically weaker than men but also usually the victims of oppression. This ritual signified that sibling bond and love triumphed the hatred from the community as whole, and that the brother will do his best to protect his sister from any and every form of oppression.

Even if you think that such a sentiment is worthless in itself, let me ask you a question (if you have a sister): Many females don't undergo personal defense training, and perhaps your sister isn't interested either. Suppose you folks are taking a wonderful ride at night with your family, and suddenly a group of thugs and rapists approach your sister then. Would you or would you not protect her? Or will you stand idly and ask your sister to save herself? Wouldn't you risk your life to stop the injustice?

I don't have a sister, but I do have a few female cousins that I greatly cherish. They are like sisters to me, and hence I can understand that sentiment.

However, there is still an element of the argument that could sink in: if women are taught defensive techniques with the rigor men are in whatever culture, the outcome could be superior.
Indeed. There's something I'd like to respond with, though. I was talking to Mary yesterday (I guess you know who I'm talking about) on the phone, and at a point (just briefly) I talked about the sexism topic, the misogyny hullabaloo and how I received some contempt for my views. And she told me something that struck the same cord. Here's what she said (exactly as she said it):

Quote from: Mary
Naysayers are naysayers! They're all the same. God forbid, we have plenty of them already, and they're disruptive to efficiency. But YOU don't stop. You're like a freakin' steam engine: slow at first, steady at best, then full speed ahead! Now look, all kinds of girls get picked from all kinds of places, and let's face it, we're vulnerable. But do you know what makes these thugs succeed? It's our fear, our emotional vulnerability. I appreciate how much bro and you did for me, but how long must we depend on men protecting us or saving us? When we're talking about sexual equality we're talking about girls standing toe to toe with men, and thus we need to be strong. We need to fight for ourselves. We need to stand for what we believe in, so it's our fault if we can't, not yours. You already know that, Chu, which is why I took your advice and went through that Jiu-Jitsu training. Heavens know, today I can even kick your butt so hard that you'll kiss the moons; I can be your bodyguard this time!

Haven't talked to Karen in a while, but something tells me she'd say the same thing. After all, both these girls are somehow star-crossed (not really, but one of them has a habit of stalking me, and hence my tease; and now she's bound to kick me).

That said, I'd like to say that I wouldn't even be here at the Compendium if it wasn't for Mary (she's a Chrono Cross nerd), and before I registered in, she was the one who gave me my "Springtime of Youth".
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on November 20, 2011, 07:05:45 am
Quote from: tushantin
Even if you think that such a sentiment is worthless in itself, let me ask you a question (if you have a sister): Many females don't undergo personal defense training, and perhaps your sister isn't interested either. Suppose you folks are taking a wonderful ride at night with your family, and suddenly a group of thugs and rapists approach your sister then. Would you or would you not protect her? Or will you stand idly and ask your sister to save herself? Wouldn't you risk your life to stop the injustice?
I do have a sister, and I had this conversation with her years ago, after I insisted on accompanying her and a female cousin outside at night on account of such worries. She never had any defense training, but she got seriously pissed at my paternalism and proceeded to show me how much ass-kicking she's capable despite her lack of training. It was pretty impressive -- and she's never even played as Chun-Li, or anything! I was like, "whoa."

The takeaway lesson for me was that women are considerably more capable in this area than we're raised to give them credit for, and if women also underestimate themselves, that could account for the success of some portion of attacks. Without a doubt I'd jump in in the situation you describe, but it would also be foolhardy of me to expect that I or another male is always going to be around. I think Mary has it precisely right, and I'm heartened that she's taken some martial arts!

But in any case, I can't claim to be an expert on attacks because I've never survived one, nor gotten into an in-depth conversation with anyone who has -- I'd do well to do that one day, so I can see what I'm not considering. I'm mainly going on the wisdom I find in Tolkien's adage: "Those without swords can still die upon them."


While we're on this subject, I'll add to my list of hates the attitude that women shouldn't undergo strength training, which is pretty thick in the local culture where I'm at. I don't know about Jillian Michaels'  (http://www.jillianmichaels.com/meet-jillian/bio-about.aspx) personality (and J might have an observation or two about her role in promoting The Biggest Loser, a popular reality TV/weight loss program in the US), but I see nothing unbeautiful about well-toned biceps in either sex. In this regard at least, I wish she were a role-model for more women. And men, hahaha! I can only hope to have as much muscle as she does one day!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on November 24, 2011, 06:02:50 pm
http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/obama-leaves-god-out-of-thanksgiving-address.html

Comments.

Look at the comments.

...

Fuck these people. Seize their assets and redistribute them for the common good. Then send them to work in my salt mines.

Fuck "God", and fuck "His" believers. Grow out of needing an imaginary fucking sky-friend.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Syna on November 24, 2011, 06:42:42 pm
The takeaway lesson for me was that women are considerably more capable in this area than we're raised to give them credit for, and if women also underestimate themselves, that could account for the success of some portion of attacks. Without a doubt I'd jump in in the situation you describe, but it would also be foolhardy of me to expect that I or another male is always going to be around. I think Mary has it precisely right, and I'm heartened that she's taken some martial arts!

Absolutely. The weakness of females is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Culture cripples women, physically and psychologically, and while men are of course generally stronger, women are capable of much more than is commonly assumed.

I experienced this quite explicitly in a martial arts setting; the girls were all regulated into a corner during sparring and given minimal attention, while they were encouraged and bolstered during activities like kata memorization (which, being dancelike, is I suppose more feminine seeming). Did my instructors mean to be discriminating? No -- in their defense, few of the females were interested in sparring, and many took pride in their katas. But given how sheepish we were about even brief displays of aggressiveness, and how quick we all were to apologize effusively to each other for any imagined injury during a bout, that cultural self-fulfilling prophecy was most assuredly at work.

Quote
While we're on this subject, I'll add to my list of hates the attitude that women shouldn't undergo strength training, which is pretty thick in the local culture where I'm at. I don't know about Jillian Michaels'  (http://www.jillianmichaels.com/meet-jillian/bio-about.aspx) personality (and J might have an observation or two about her role in promoting The Biggest Loser, a popular reality TV/weight loss program in the US), but I see nothing unbeautiful about well-toned biceps in either sex. In this regard at least, I wish she were a role-model for more women. And men, hahaha! I can only hope to have as much muscle as she does one day!

Word! Our cultural standards are generally oriented towards litheness, and I think most people don't realize how hard it is for anyone to build bodybuilder-style quantities of muscle. Gaining is hard, especially when you aren't using steroids! Unless you're into strength training for competitive reasons, you shouldn't worry about it.

Strength training has been really wonderful for me on a lot of levels. Just feeling strong makes a substantial difference in my psyche; I honestly think I never expected I'd feel strong, as a female.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on November 24, 2011, 07:46:59 pm
I experienced this quite explicitly in a martial arts setting; the girls were all regulated into a corner during sparring and given minimal attention, while they were encouraged and bolstered during activities like kata memorization (which, being dancelike, is I suppose more feminine seeming).But given how sheepish we were about even brief displays of aggressiveness, and how quick we all were to apologize effusively to each other for any imagined injury during a bout, that cultural self-fulfilling prophecy was most assuredly at work.

Gaining is hard, especially when you aren't using steroids! Unless you're into strength training for competitive reasons, you shouldn't worry about it.

Strength training has been really wonderful for me on a lot of levels. Just feeling strong makes a substantial difference in my psyche; I honestly think I never expected I'd feel strong, as a female.
It isn't as hard as you think. XD People just either rush or get bored, or even worse, lose their will. Once you get addicted, every exercise begins to pour euphoria in your mind, and you can't seem to stop yourself. It's not always "what you do" but "how you ho it" that matters.

But getting back to discrimination in Martial Arts, I'd recommend either Judo or Jiu-Jitsu, considering neither has "gender-based" requirements (you enter the ring, you fight like a warrior -- don't care who you are, man, woman, or child). Judo is a Soft-Knock martial art that, focusing on stances and grappling (you need a bit of strength), while Jiu-Jitsu works for weaker, shorter warriors because of its focus on ground-fighting and relying on hooks and tactics. While you do need to learn Kata in both (well, in Judo anyway), there's no point in learning them if you can't apply. Both are excellent sports that can be applied in self-defense effectively, and in my knowledge, every girl who has undertaken that training can pretty much kick my ass.  :cry:

Another self-defense art for close-combat (both Hard and Soft Knocks) would be Krav Maga, which combines certain elements from Muay Thai and other arts, but I'm unaware about the treatment between genders. And another, I'd recommend, is Fencing, which requires either a rapier / saber (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOu_IKtNs5c) or (in common cases) a long stick.

In case you're wondering, yes. I'm a fan of Fencing tournaments.  :D The Epee battles, especially, are thrilling.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Syna on November 24, 2011, 10:35:47 pm
Tush, I was referring to bulky muscles, not muscles in general. Jillian Michaels has plenty of muscle, and I personally wouldn't consider her bulky. Well-- perhaps a bit borderline, but fitness is her career! You'd have to be very dedicated to amass that kind of muscle. Far more dedicated than most can afford.

Interesting points about Judo and Jiujitsu. If and when I ever get the money to devote to martial arts, I will probably start out with Krav Maga (which is supposed to be quite practical), but Jiujitsu particularly fascinates me. I have a very poor mind-body connection by nature, and it seems especially well-suited to awareness of one's movements.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on November 25, 2011, 12:48:48 pm
Tush, I was referring to bulky muscles, not muscles in general. Jillian Michaels has plenty of muscle, and I personally wouldn't consider her bulky.
Jillian has a lean build, not a bulky one; yes, there's a difference. I admire lean builds: you get almost all the goods of the bulky build, but also preserve agility.

Bulky builds, on the other hand, is a little too extreme. It's hardly ever necessary. They also tend to increase unnecessary amount of body mass, and while it grants you immeasurable strength there's a muscle-tear factor to add in. The worse side-effect I'm not fond of is that body-mass, in turn, restricts a person's flexibility, agility and dexterity. Without the three, strength training (especially for self-defense) is pointless, and bulky mass only works in body-building competitions or movies.

That said, I adore women with lean builds like Jillian! (http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/s/o/sobeautifulplz.gif?1)


I have a very poor mind-body connection by nature, and it seems especially well-suited to awareness of one's movements.
Yeah, it is. But if you're not used to maintaining hand-eye co-ordination and dexterity, then I'd recommend taking up other sports alongside Jiujitsu / Krav Maga. You can also take on dancing!

*extends his hand, offers Syna a rose*

It would be an honor to have you for a Salsa, senorita!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 25, 2011, 06:45:29 pm
The weakness of females is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Culture cripples women, physically and psychologically, and while men are of course generally stronger, women are capable of much more than is commonly assumed.

Strength training has been really wonderful for me on a lot of levels. Just feeling strong makes a substantial difference in my psyche; I honestly think I never expected I'd feel strong, as a female.

I'm really glad to see more people noticing things like this. Even in the past ten years, if I can attempt to correct for my higher level of sensitivity now relative to then, these heights of awareness seemed to be firmly in the province of academics and political activists. I think, to the extent my observation is valid, we can credit the Internet for popularizing the facts and notions of the sexual equality movement to people who aren't explicitly dedicated to the cause already. (I don't know your level of involvement with the pursuit of sexual equality, Syna, so I don't know if that applies to you specifically.)

The effect is small, with respect to the number of people with higher sensitivity relative to the vast size of the total population, but distinctly apparent.

Another possibility is that I've got it backwards--that more people have thought this way for a while (though it raises the question of "Since when, and whence the change?") and the Internet simply brings to our attention this higher level of commitment than is reported in the media.

Anyhow, both of those remarks of yours are fierce keen...worth study and affirmation! The bit about feeling strong is just perhaps the most conspicuous aspect of a much bigger treasure trove: the power of learning to delight in one's own body, something that the world's major religions and most cultures have tried very hard to suppress in females. Enjoying your body, using it, understanding its abilities, extents, and sensations...that's a huge part of human identity, and crucial both for our personal development and social interaction.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Katie Skyye on November 25, 2011, 11:12:10 pm
Fuck these people. Seize their assets and redistribute them for the common good. Then send them to work in my salt mines.

Fuck "God", and fuck "His" believers. Grow out of needing an imaginary fucking sky-friend.

I understand that you are furious at how completely childish and idiotic (and ignorant and etc etc) those people are, but...

...am I even allowed to be offended at what you've said? Am I allowed to argue with the almighty Zeality, or will I get struck by lightning? Will I get laughed off of this site? I'll probably just be ignored. But it's been bothering me for a while now, even though I just tried to dismiss it. I wasn't originally going to say anything, but it just got to me more and more as time went on.
I understand that there are a lot of hate-able Christians and religious people in general, but... I mean, I'm included in "those people," as well. I don't go hitting people over the head with my beliefs especially since I don't really consider myself part of the Christian religion any more, but I do believe in God and it's really just very disturbing to hear that. Maybe you don't even care that you're seriously offending members of your site. Whatever...

...I've heard so many "there are no militant atheists" jokes, but when I read things like this it makes me wonder...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on November 26, 2011, 12:39:53 am
I don't respect religion. It doesn't enter at all into the workings of this website. But in a world in which atheists are the hated minority and I dare not come out to my family or even to potential employers, I will grant myself the one freedom to tear down the icon of oppression known as "God" on this forum.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Katie Skyye on November 26, 2011, 01:05:53 am
I don't respect religion. It doesn't enter at all into the workings of this website. But in a world in which atheists are the hated minority and I dare not come out to my family or even to potential employers, I will grant myself the one freedom to tear down the icon of oppression known as "God" on this forum.

Fair enough. I guess. It's really not, but you're the fucking site owner and you're allowed to say whatever the fuck you want. I'll take it with a grain of salt just like I do everything else you say, no offense. I don't why this has me so upset anyway.

I guess it's because I went from, "You accept evolution and don't blindly believe everything the Bible says? You're going to hell!" to "You have faith in God and think there might be something more out there than just this life? You're crazy and should go die!" And I really enjoy being on this site, and I like most of the people here, and I understand that I'll get crap of one form or another no matter where I go, but I guess all the shit that's gone down in the Compendium lately has sort of been bothering me, and this was the last straw, maybe...

...whatever. I'm done trying to defend myself. There's really no point. I'll keep to my SPRINGTIME OF YOUTH topic and leave you guys alone.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on November 26, 2011, 05:51:27 am
I would recommend that we leave out topics regarding religion if there is no line of negotiation and respect in either side. A conversation followed with prejudice usually leads to heated arguments (being in the line of fire, I understand it well), and our misdirected battle usually ends in friendly fire.

ZeaLitY, I know that the minority Atheists are often the target of oppression, besides the minority Sikh and Muslims, in America especially when the trigger is held is Dominionists and Fundamentalists. Atheists have every right to speak up for themselves, but Z, I'd like to point out that not all Christians or religious believers are as contemptuous as you think. We all want these Dominionists to go, but there's hardly a reason to hurt the feelings of the innocent lot. Katie, for instance, has no beef with anyone, so if not religion itself, please respect her feelings.

Katie, as you stated yourself, take it with a grain of salt. Z is a hyper-active, zealous and passionate bloke, but he is also a minority Atheist, stressed from the oppression targeted by cults akin to Jehova's Witnesses (they like to call themselves "Christians", but they're not; they're horrible, horrible people, even responsible for the vandalism of Pledge). I used to find similar circumstances offensive too when I was new, but over time I began to see their side of the story. Give the guy a break, especially in the "Stuff you hate" thread, which is probably the best place to rant your frustrations (besides the "Frustration thread"). When he says "his believers" he usually means the oppressors from the religious sides. If anything, the minority need our support to climb the stairs of liberty. I mean, tribalism sucks, right?

All in all, the Compendium is a diverse forum. While we've got people from all over the world, with different beliefs, we still have that core love, that unifying catalyst. Let's try not to break that unity, because every facet matters.

EDIT: That said, I have good news for the minority. A month ago I conversed with some Christian friends in India, and they agree that while there's nothing wrong with sharing one's faith, "stuffing it down someone's throat" is outright horrible. In essence, they're against the Dominionist nature of Christianity in America and are willing to support Atheist and minority rights if worse comes to worst (that's provided the Atheists don't commit the same mistakes as the Dominionist Christians did).
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: wiz Khalifa on November 26, 2011, 06:55:59 am
Ayo whys yall piccin on Katie Skyye

Im a Rastafari and a Budhist and i used to be a satanisct fo a while...and you finna tell me and this lady not 2 talk about religion? Fucc outta here with that shit....  :?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: rushingwind on November 26, 2011, 07:16:36 am
In Z's defense, it is sometimes difficult to not explode sometimes. (And trust me, if disagreeing with him made you prone to punishment, there would be far fewer people here, myself included!)

I am a very calm peacemaker. I'll make a million concessions that I don't actually want tot make sometimes, just to preserve the peace. But as an atheist myself, I know exactly where he's coming from. It was known at my last workplace that I was an atheist, and that very often made things extremely difficult for me. I complained to the company, but no one listened. I talked about it with a law student friend, and she said it probably wouldn't get anywhere in court (being that we live in the rural South). Our theater would rent out some of its auditoriums to a church early every Sunday morning (Surprisingly, this is a very common practice for theaters now, trying to make money in this economy). My boss forced me to come in at 5am some Sundays and open everything up for the church, even after telling him how terribly uncomfortable it made me feel. He took the liberty of telling the pastor that I was an atheist, and asked him if there'd be a problem with it. His response? "She won't throw anything at us, will she?"

It was supposed to be a joke, but I didn't find it funny. I was forced, upon threat of termination, to open for them many times, even after being ridiculed once because of being atheist. No one in the company cared, but if it had been the other way around (if I'd been Christian and ridiculed by an atheist), I'm sure I would have had a lot of support.

That's just a workplace example, but I've lost friends over religion. I've had religious friends who were so intent on converting me that they'd get upset and start yelling. They'd insult me, tell me about how I had the worst suffering awaiting me in hell, and everything. Eventually, when exposed to that kind of constant abuse, even a peacemaker like me will explode. The great irony in this is that I once was a evangelical Christian in the junior ministry, pursing a Bachelor's degree in Divinity. I thought, at that time, that I was oppressed, discriminated against, and attacked by non-Christians. To be frank, I had no fucking clue about reality at that time. I would soon learn.

When you see what you consider to be outrageous outbursts on the Internet by atheists, I would ask that you instead see it for what it probably is: These people are discriminated against in ways that you simply cannot concieve of, and the Internet becomes their only semi-anonymous platform to speak what's really in their hearts. Trust me, I've been there.

From our perspective, the current political climate is terrifying. We see people who are insistent on legislating Christianity into law, which in the end will make us no different than the much decried Sharia courts of the Middle East. We see science (real and proven stuff) being replaced with pseduoscience because it fits better with what the Bible says. As a geology student, I have fielded discussions from at least two people who were determined to prove to me that "flood geology" was real and true, and that "polystrate fossils" proved it. Introductory Geology 101 clearly explains why all of this is simply nonsense. But even then, explaining to them that "flood geology" was disproven by a Creationist geologist more than 100 years ago doesn't convince them. The mindbogglingly simple explanation of so-called polystrate fossils doesn't convince them. No, they come into the argument convinced they're right, and that I'm wrong, and there's nothing I can say or do to make them see the simple truth before their eyes. They cannot see the simple truth because they have "faith." They'd rather believe in a story (one that would have them believe their god has purposely tried to deceive them about the nature of the Earth and the universe) than pay attention to fact.

From our standpoint, the more people who deconvert, the better the prospects for humanity's future. Yes, even those Christians who are quiet, non-zealous, and not really bothering anyone. Religion encourages too many bad things. Mystery is supposedly good, and should be revered. Even after being an atheist for more than seven years, I only this summer finally understood why faith is such a horrible, horrible thing. It leads people to inaction, to taking incorrect actions, and more.

I know you don't know me, so you don't know what kind of a person I am. I am a very nice person. But I've had angry outbursts of my own about religion. I watched a video where people were burning witches in Kenya because of witchcraft a few weeks ago, and it disturbed me to my core. While these were clearly extremeists, they are representative of the religious mindset as a whole, as much as the more mild-mannered religious folks scream that they have nothing to do withone another. Those who do not fit into the specified religious mindset are the Enemy, and will die. For the extremeists, that translates into literal execution. For the mildly religious, that means I will suffer an eternity in Hell, the "second death." In either case, for both the mild mannered and the extremist, my fate of eternal suffering is exactly the same, and absolutely deserved. Thus, in the end, both the "polite Christians" and the extremists believe the same things, just different methods. One says, "Let God take care of it." The other says, "We'll do God's work ourselves and take care of it."

Like Z, and others here, I don't respect religion either. And until you find some distance from religion yourself, you have yet to truly appreciate how oppressive and destructive the concept of "god" has become. Before I left, I could have never imagined it.

I hope my post hasn't come off as argumentative or condescending, Katie. That's not been my intent here. I'm simply trying to provide insight into a mindset you may not be familiar with. We atheists get pushed around, harrassed, mistreated, and more, for no other reason than we are atheist. In some places, it is extremely dangerous to our lives to dare say we don't believe in god. The Internet, then, becomes about the only outlet some atheists ever get. And even then, if you speak your opinion clearly and honestly, you incur bad things as a result. People get defensive. Then tempers flare. It's all a very bad recipe.

And Tushantin: Atheists escape persecution because they keep it to themselves. That's it, unless they are born into some magical, special place somewhere I've never heard of. The silent, secret atheists are the only ones who do not become the target of oppression, anger, and mistreatment. The moment you come out as an atheist, the target is on your back forever. Obviously, it is worse in some places in the world than others.


Annnd.... Now it's off to bed with me. I'm exhausted, so I hope this post made some sense. I should have gone to bed hours ago, heh.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on November 26, 2011, 12:36:59 pm
Ayo whys yall piccin on Katie Skyye

Im a Rastafari and a Budhist and i used to be a satanisct fo a while...and you finna tell me and this lady not 2 talk about religion? Fucc outta here with that shit....  :?
I was trying to defend and justify both Z and Katie's point of view, because there was some misunderstanding from both sides. XD I mentioned that nobody ought to talk about religion was:
1) Nobody's gonna come to an open-minded agreement while retaining their beliefs, and hence offending each other just to defend themselves,
2) By not discussing religion, we can focus on people as individuals instead of their "holier than thou" fan-club.

Some people believe that the rotten tomatoes in either side represent their side, while some are made to believe so through no fault of their own -- an inherently tribalist and racist view -- and this fires conflict. "You *insert category here* are all the same!" <----- I hate that kind of attitude.

Also, Rastafari? Dude, you from Jamaica?  :D


@RushingWind: I'm sorry to hear that, RW, although I have no intention of discussing religion in this forum anymore for obvious reasons (http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php/topic,3932.msg211489.html#msg211489), but I'll still participate in peacemaking and establishing connections if I can.  :roll:

However, I would like to point out something crucial: The place I come from has a culture so vastly different from the Americans that, if a speak a single thing you're not familiar about, I'd get discriminated against for "being stupid". I always do. For instance, these days there is no such thing as "discrimination against religion / atheism" in my country, and even if there is it's frowned upon, simply because such tribalism only hinders social growth. We've managed to destroy this factor in such great lengths that when any Indian hears about religious discrimination in America (or any nation) the first thing they do is scoff, "Are these guys still living in the Dark Ages? And they're supposed to be 'developed nation'? Hah!" And indeed: such strife is not only pointless, but also incredibly ridiculous -- in fact, owing to my survey, religious folks in India are most likely to support American Atheists than the Dominionists and Fundamentalists, because we know that such discrimination is wrong. We even mock the integration of religion / belief / Atheism and politics, because these are elements that should not be mixed.

Secondly, I would like to point out that I'm technically an Atheist (though I have a better term than that) simply because I don't believe in personal Gods, but unlike the ones at America I'm not a victim Religious discrimination as religion amity and pluralism exist here -- even if I go to a Church and say that I'm not a believer, but so long as I'm still respectful, I'm always welcomed with open arms. In any case, the only kinds of discrimination I'm a target of are:
1) Racists: "Oi! You're from India, right? You wear a turban, right? You find cows sacred? Coz I eat cows. Does that make me a devil? Hey, do like Bollywood dancing?" 'Nuff said.
2) Radical Atheists: I personally admire Atheists, but the Radical ones are the most annoying. Though I'm a non-believer, I spontaneously have rocks thrown in my direction simply because I get along well with the religious folks.

I still remember that, as a new member in the forums years ago, I too felt offended when Z posted similar things, but in time I began to understand why they do: I began to sympathize with the minority here, especially since when I realize that there still is such a thing as "Dominionism" -- I hadn't the faintest idea then that America was still a victim of the orthodox nature of Religion. Problem is, everyone mistook their targets, and this caused further enmity.

As for your rant of "religious people can't be logical", you're misinformed: I have several Christian friends in the fields of Physics, Journalism, Programming, etc. and while they go by the code and morals in life they don't let it interfere into their business. The girl taking Physics, for one thing, is a scientific genius -- perhaps as excellent as you, and incredibly outspoken and mature for her age. Then I have a few Islamic friends, including one who took on Engineering, and is like a living encyclopedia of everything you can imagine -- including sensational history, pragmatism and forensics! Then there's a few Hindu friends who have achieved more than imaginable, one of whom constantly battles corruption and social injustices. Of course, talking about all of them will take all night.

The problem isn't religion, but actually the way people think -- it's genetic factor that influences the likelihood of survival, where it plays an important role in self-preservation. Just to confirm my theories I conducted certain experiments on lesser life-forms, particularly ants, and observing the social structure of stray dogs and bees. Lesser life-forms don't have "religion", but the same fundamental exists either way. What you're battling is "human nature", regardless of the fan-club they join, but people simply like to target "the closest thing" simply to satisfy their anxiety, and this hatred in turn breeds more frustration. Hope you find that hint useful, because I'm not going to explain this in length: Seeing with what happened to my efforts to help with "Social Reforms" thread, I'm through.

And I guess Katie is too. Beyond that, I will say nothing regarding religion-vs-atheism circumstances, nor will I state my opinions since they are  not welcome. However, seeing the direction religion and social life is going in America, I would actually agree with you on this and am willing to support the minority against oppression. But, I implore, don't target innocent folks unnecessarily.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on November 26, 2011, 01:21:46 pm
Muslims.
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Fuck these people. Seize their assets and redistribute them for the common good. Then send them to work in my salt mines. Fuck "Allah", and fuck "his" believers. Grow out of needing an imaginary fucking sky-friend.

Jews.
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Fuck these people. Seize their assets and redistribute them for the common good. Then send them to work in my salt mines. Fuck "God", and fuck "his" believers. Grow out of needing an imaginary fucking sky-friend.

Now I obviously took that out of context. It was not directed at Jews and Muslims per se, mainly the uber-Conservative rightwing nutbat Christian demographic. But no matter how you frame Z's statement, it's a bit on the offensive side... I'm just saying. I tend to not get involved in these type of debacles, and I recognize that Zeality is one who has obviously been oppressed due to his beliefs (as I think most of us have at one moment or another, based upon a myriad of reasons). I do not mean to belittle anyone's personal experiences. However, it is still intolerance* at the heart of the matter.

I empathize, I really do. People shouldn't be held by the chains of religion or lack thereof. It's simply wrong: plain and simple. However, where is the line drawn? This isn't directed at anyone in particular - not Syna or Zeality or Lord J or Thought or Mr. Bekkler or FaustWolf or rushingwind or Katie Skyye or tushantin or motherfaking wiz khalifa himself (names in no particular order). There's just an impartiality in the logic.

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— adj  (foll by of )
1.    lacking respect for practices and beliefs other than one's own
2.    not able or willing to tolerate or endure: intolerant of noise
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Syna on November 26, 2011, 01:50:22 pm
RW, much of what you said about the oppression of atheists is quite applicable to people who participate in minority "faiths" or who don't relate to mainstream religious universe (of which atheism is, make no question, actually part and parcel). Without diminishing the excellent points you've made with regard to where you, and others on the board, are standing, and without diminishing your post's value as a way of empathizing with what I consider to be a completely legitimate worldview, I want to gently suggest that presuming that everyone falls onto one side or another on the fence is not a good presumption and is probably an obstacle to the cultural traction of atheist causes.  

For various reasons, I don't object to most of Zeality's tactics. I am a die-hard Blakean. "Without contraries there is no progression." I admire strong and vivid personalities and convictions, and, more than anything, imaginative vision, even if I would rebel and resist if that vision were ever forced upon me. You could say that I value these things more than correctness, at least as it's conceived of by Enlightenment-influenced Western minds. But I can see where tactics like his, and that of other atheists, stand contrary to their many laudable goals, so I feel the need to make this point.

The framework that atheists invoke with respect to the oppression of religion is highly specific to our culture. It is useful in that it reveals certain important tensions and presents certain battles that must be fought -- such as maintaining the intellectual rigor of the sciences and resisting rampant pseudoscience. (As someone whose high school curriculum included mandatory rants against evolutionary theory, I do understand how vital it is that such battles are uncompromisingly fought.) It is certainly useful in that it allows atheists to cope with a culture that can be violently hostile toward their perspective. It is even occasionally useful when applied to non-Western countries. However, like all frameworks, it is limited by our perceptual stance, and it excludes much; most of the universe, in fact.  

I am not a secular humanist nor a believer. I just don't play the "religious or no" game. I am far more interested in psyche, aesthetics, culture, and experiences than abstract philosophy -- and in the latter case I hold that the only truly reasonable stance is Robert Anton Wilson-esque agnosticism. I'm not going to go into my complex worldview here, but suffice to say there is no way I can fit in that theist-versus-atheist framework you're describing. No possible way -- not without truly Procrustean amounts of reductivism, anyway. I would venture to presume that many on this forum feel the same -- Bekkler and xcalibur the Deists, Tushantin my fellow Something Else Entirely, and even, perhaps, Thought the Christian. We are in the good company of the majority of humans throughout history.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Syna on November 26, 2011, 02:39:17 pm
I'm really glad to see more people noticing things like this. Even in the past ten years, if I can attempt to correct for my higher level of sensitivity now relative to then, these heights of awareness seemed to be firmly in the province of academics and political activists. I think, to the extent my observation is valid, we can credit the Internet for popularizing the facts and notions of the sexual equality movement to people who aren't explicitly dedicated to the cause already. (I don't know your level of involvement with the pursuit of sexual equality, Syna, so I don't know if that applies to you specifically.)

Well, I was a feminist* throughout my teens -- it was quite impossible to survive without some feminism to bolster me in an environment that was rather condescending towards the idea -- but ten years ago was about when I began to study issues surrounding sexual equality in earnest, so I'm not sure how I would fit into your observation. My early interest in queer issues probably set me apart from the beginning, tbh. 

But I certainly hope that the Internet has popularized these insights! I do know more women who are willing to talk about sexual equality than before-- when I began college, for instance, many would downplay the issues... and I think I've read that more women than ever are into strength-training, after years and years of certain fitness gurus harping on about how effective it can be. Now, the strength-training line has often been sold with statements like "you WON'T bulk up" and "this is the best way to lose fat," but I do notice that while many women adopt the exercise based on an interest in aesthetics, they continue because it makes them feel awesome.

It's curious, though. I knew intellectually that cultural mechanisms like chivalry were, in part, methods by which females were encouraged to fulfill weak role, and I had enough awareness of anthropology to recognize that the domestic tasks expected of lower-class women throughout history actually required quite a bit of strength. But these awarenesses were not internalized until I began lifting weights as an exercise. I just did not ever expect that I'd be strong. Nothing replaces experience when it comes to how you instinctually assess a situation, I suppose.

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The effect is small, with respect to the number of people with higher sensitivity relative to the vast size of the total population, but distinctly apparent.

Right-- difficult to assess how mainstream it is. Again looking at strength-training as a microcosm, I'm still the only woman lifting any substantial amount of weight in my gym a good 95% of the time. (And my "substantial amount" is still squarely in novice-to-intermediate territory.)

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Another possibility is that I've got it backwards--that more people have thought this way for a while (though it raises the question of "Since when, and whence the change?") and the Internet simply brings to our attention this higher level of commitment than is reported in the media.

Either way, I certainly hope it's a signal of some kind of cultural momentum.

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Anyhow, both of those remarks of yours are fierce keen...worth study and affirmation! The bit about feeling strong is just perhaps the most conspicuous aspect of a much bigger treasure trove: the power of learning to delight in one's own body, something that the world's major religions and most cultures have tried very hard to suppress in females. Enjoying your body, using it, understanding its abilities, extents, and sensations...that's a huge part of human identity, and crucial both for our personal development and social interaction.

Thank you, and I am gratified to see that you understand what's at stake. The female body is so fought over, regulated, and politicized that learning how to inhabit it is one of the greatest triumphs against sexism one can make, imho. I was in fact a textbook case of mind-body disconnection for a very long time (partially by my own fairly cerebral and pretty clumsy nature, and partially due to gender dysphoria, which was largely a reaction to sexism). I'm sure that many other females have similar issues, and I wish that they were addressed more openly. I suppose it's a great deal harder to talk about than abortion, but it is no less significant a topic, I think!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on November 26, 2011, 08:32:31 pm
When you see what you consider to be outrageous outbursts on the Internet by atheists, I would ask that you instead see it for what it probably is: These people are discriminated against in ways that you simply cannot concieve of, and the Internet becomes their only semi-anonymous platform to speak what's really in their hearts. Trust me, I've been there.

Exactly.

One time a professor in the middle of class started ranting about atheists and said that if any atheist commits a crime then why should anyone be surprised?  He said that it's no surprise that atheists commit crimes because it's "in accordance with their own worldview".  The professor knew I was an atheist, yet decided to spew that rubbish anyway.

Atheists get so much shit from people.  All the time.  I once had a roommate who said she was scared of living with me because I didn't believe in God, but then she found out I was a "nice person".  What the fuck.

A lot of people see atheists as this collective group of angry people, but you know what?  We have a right to be angry.  We're judged, mistrusted, scoffed at, ridiculed, belittled, are assumed to be immoral, are assumed as trying to be "edgy" or "rebellious", told that our worldview is "just a phase", etc.

I'm angry, and it's justified.  I don't know what it's like to be in the majority regarding belief in god and I don't know what it's like to not constantly have your morality questioned, but I wish I could be.  I wish I weren't wary to tell people I don't believe in god.  I wish I didn't assume that upon telling people I didn't believe in god that I would be automatically judged and pigeon-holed.  I wish people didn't assume things about my morality before even meeting me.  I wish I weren't consistently told that people feared for my soul.  I wish I weren't told that [insert bad thing] happened to me because of my disbelief.  Etc. etc. etc.

There is such a thing as "Christian privilege", you know.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 26, 2011, 08:48:03 pm
@ZeaLitY: I think most of us who have gotten to know you a bit understand that your flamboyant style is not to be taken at face value. I'm sure you don't actually own any salt mines yet. But others who don't know you are going to have a hard time not taking your statements at face value, and thus you'll always have to choose between alienating them and venting your frustrations with an unjust world. (Well, not always: There is ever that elusive "third way," to be agreeably disagreeable without everyone's points ending up watered down to useless amity. Let me know if you ever find it. I'd like to try it on myself.) For what it's worth, this is your Compendium and this board is General Discussion, and I don't think you said anything out of line. It's anyone's right to get pissed off at you, but we're all adults and having others pissed off at you is as likely to be an indication that you're doing something right as it is that you're doing something wrong.

@Katie Skyye: Don't give up on the rest of the Compendium. I mean, you can if you want to, but really you're just depriving yourself and us of your contributions. Real life is messy sometimes; this environment is a good place to do some growing up. I speak from firsthand experience. ZeaLitY is zealous, but don't mistake his flaming rhetoric for a hateful personality. I know it's an easy mistake to make because he speaks so breathtakingly offensively sometimes, but if you make the effort to broaden your perspective, I think you will find it rewarding. As to your core complaint, that you feel, for lack of better words, persecuted against because of his words and because of the fact that here, unlike almost everywhere else, religious viewpoints do not dominate the atmosphere of discussion...it's hard to find the words to say this right. Your frustration is understandable, but not appropriate. You're human, and humans sometimes get upset when they feel that they are being disrespected or badmouthed. ZeaLitY quite correctly bemoans the utter poverty of justice in religious system and in the minds of believers. Quite apart from the question of whether non-religious people are good or bad folks, plenty of religious people are bad. That's what he's focusing on. It's not a commentary on you personally, and you should strive hard to find a way not to take his comments personally. ZeaLitY has proven himself quite capable of being respectful of religious people who prove themselves worthy in their secular affairs.

@tushantin: You are not in a position to issue forum directives.

@Rushingwind: Thank you for saying what I did not have the patience and energy to say. You said it well, and you brought a personal background that I could not have added myself. I have been fortunate not to have grown up in a Christian world; it makes the ubiquity of Christianity in our culture both more apparent to me, yet also more easy to dismiss for what it is. And I was never discriminated against, to my knowledge, for not being Christian. That is a testament to the environments of my upbringing, and to Seattle.

@Boo the Gentleman Caller: The comparison you make is emotionally resonant, but not strictly accurate. I understand what you're saying, and frankly one of my own criticisms of ZeaLitY is that his deconversion from radical Christianity to radical irreligion has been, well, too radical. I try and pursue goals which by definition are quite extreme (all social progress is varyingly extreme; such is the nature of change) in a less radical way. With a Jewish background, I am particularly sensitive to the dangers of trying to destroy religion by force. The Holocaust is unforgettable. With a liberal orientation, I understand all too well how the correct position can sometimes be held for the worst reasons by the most despicable people, such as Christian conservatives who want to destroy Islam. I want to destroy Islam, but not by slaughtering Muslims. ZeaLitY, in my opinion, doesn't possess the subtlety of discernment yet necessary to identify the best policies for dealing with religious-based injustice. However, like Syna, I do not see the present moment as a perfect world and I seek change and betterment, and I recognize that the momentum for change comes from the people who are not sitting down and behaving themselves quietly. I have more respect for a ZealitY who steps on toes than I do for a consensus-builder who would rather that injustices persist than feelings get hurt.

@Syna: It's absolutely sick what we do to our children, and girls in particular, when it comes to subverting their will by perverting their self-image. Nine-year-olds with eating disorders? They're out there, and they're not even rare. That is all kinds of fucked up. We have to get to children before their parents do, before their schoolmates do, before the media do, because once that subversion begins they're likely to bear the scars for the rest of their life, and a will subverted may never return. People are so quick to assume that females are weak, and I rather suspect that it's because sexism is so ubiquitously entrenched that they think so, rather than that they're just lying fools who knowingly participate in a sexist culture and then spout lies to deny their crimes. (There are some of the latter, but I think the former are far more numerous.)

Anyhow, this has become a (mostly) great discussion arising from a turn of conversation that I thought could only end badly. Color me thankful for that.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Truthordeal on November 27, 2011, 01:36:27 am
I posted in the Love thread about getting a Kindle and buying a copy of The God Delusion, and yes, I absolutely do love those things. But this discussion in this thread in particular reminded me of why I've only now bought it: I don't want a physical copy around for my family or collegemates to see.

I'm still a Christian, but I wasn't one at one point. Unlike J, and probably more similar to Zeality, I was also an atheist while in the Bible belt of the South, with all the hangups that go with that. Oddly enough, however, I remember most of the dogmatic Christians being the young people themselves; my teachers usually stood up for me whenever they'd start too. Even the very conservative Bible professor here at the Presbyterian college I go to believes in and teaches evolution as a fact. The only time that's ever happened is when a student brought it up in high school Biology, and the thought at the time seemed so absurd that most of the class thought he was making a joke(he may have been, but it wouldn't surprise me that he wasn't). That's why I'm still shocked whenever I hear stories from Saj or whomever about professors or teachers demeaning their students and trying to deride evolution. Somehow or another I missed being involved in the realm of explicit Christian ignorance and oppression, even as an atheist.

But upon buying The God Delusion, I had to stop and realize that even as a Christian, I was still being held down by the more implicit, societal willful ignorance of a mostly Christian nation. I believe the word Z throws around to describe it is "Dominionism," and I'm just now seeing that "web" as it is. Truth is, even when I was an atheist I only copped to being an agnostic since no one really understood the term to mean anything other than "not an atheist." Somehow or another this very insignificant distinction became very significant. The word "atheist" is looked down upon as anathema, even within my fairly casually Christian family. I really don't understand why the difference between "agnostic" and "atheist" kept me out of what I thought was a scolding to come, but it somehow does.

It was only a few weeks ago that I silently scoffed at Saj's post about C.S. Lewis, thinking that she HAD to be exaggerating or sarcastic, but now I realize that I was probably just very lucky when it came to my experiences and that luckiness made me instantly ignorant and inaccessible to most of the atheists here who wear that chip on their shoulder. I figured atheists were just being whiny about superficial mistreatment, but this line of discussion in this thread has been helpful to that eradicating that notion.

I wonder. If I got a copy of Mein Kampf and The God Delusion and put them side to side on my bookshelf, which one would freak out people the most because I have it. Chances are, up here in Presbyterian Collegeville State, there'd be enough people who are educated enough to understand why I'd have a copy of Mein Kampf, since I am a history guy and that happens to be a valuable, albeit unfortunate literary source for that field, and yet just the title of The God Delusion would put them in a tizzy since most of them probably never heard of it, or if they did, it was from a pastor telling them not to read it because of Satan.

Bah. I'm gonna go see if Project Gutenberg has a free copy of Mein Kampf and show off my Kindle collection to others.

But before I do, let me make a preemptive apology to wiz, tush and the other, as Syna called them, Something Else Entirely's. I realize this does very little to include your personal beliefs and etc., but unfortunately I can only work with what I know, and that is very little, so it seems.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on November 27, 2011, 01:50:26 am
Incredibly beautiful responses by folks above me.

A lot of people see atheists as this collective group of angry people, but you know what?  We have a right to be angry.  We're judged, mistrusted, scoffed at, ridiculed, belittled, are assumed to be immoral, are assumed as trying to be "edgy" or "rebellious", told that our worldview is "just a phase", etc.
Saj, everyone has the right to be angry, and it's a justifiable sentiment, but what I meant was that it was best to try not make the same mistake as the abusers. The thing with the Atheism backlash is that the crimes of Religious Dominionism sets a trap for the opposition to undermine themselves, and that kind of wrath inevitably sets them in a bad light. And when the opposition does react that way, the Dominionists simply point and say, "Hah! We told you so!" That only worsen's the situation for the minority.

In essence, I'm not saying that we shouldn't react to them or kick their butts for their abuse. I'm just saying we oughta kick their butts in style!  :D As Syna mentioned, certain battles akin to this one needs to be fought, especially since individuals begin to see a broader world-view secular from religion itself. As Atheists, you folks have a responsibility of not only accomplishing your goals but also setting a bright example for the future generations. Though you're a minority, you're still an important element, an important voice, to abolish Orthodox. Be proud!

I wish I didn't assume that upon telling people I didn't believe in god that I would be automatically judged and pigeon-holed.  I wish people didn't assume things about my morality before even meeting me.
And I concur. It's incredibly difficult to not have a person label you indiscriminately and decide what to do with you; it's sickening. Practically speaking, however treading beyond the "religious discrimination" and peeking more into sociology, almost everyone judges a person they meet within the first 5 seconds of their meeting; whatever follows is usually biased from that view itself, unless they pursue long-term association. This works in any respective field, including in work-places, and often due to lack of social time or psychological security issues. What's intriguing is that those with psychological insecurities (such as the Religious Fundamentalists, or the victims of the said Fundamentalists) react even harsher to such situations, while those open, empathetic and sociable tend to take their time in getting to know a person well.

Egad! Ninja'd by Truthordeal.

I wonder. If I got a copy of Mein Kampf and The God Delusion and put them side to side on my bookshelf, which one would freak out people the most because I have it. Chances are, up here in Presbyterian Collegeville State, there'd be enough people who are educated enough to understand why I'd have a copy of Mein Kampf, since I am a history guy and that happens to be a valuable, albeit unfortunate literary source for that field, and yet just the title of The God Delusion would put them in a tizzy since most of them probably never heard of it, or if they did, it was from a pastor telling them not to read it because of Satan.
Bahaha, my Christian boss actually encouraged me to read The God Delusion; as he said, it offered a different perspective to formulate your own deduction (did I mention my boss is quite like Sherlock Holmes?). What he discouraged me from reading, however, was books from Satanism and Occult; he was worried I'd get possessed with negative thoughts or something.

But before I do, let me make a preemptive apology to wiz, tush and the other, as Syna called them, Something Else Entirely's. I realize this does very little to include your personal beliefs and etc., but unfortunately I can only work with what I know, and that is very little, so it seems.
Not sure if you're supposed to be apologizing, considering I haven't taken it as an offense and you weren't the one to say it, but accepted nevertheless. I suppose that "Something Else Entirely" is because I simply loathe to have myself in a specific category, so I take it as a compliment. People assume I'm a Zoroastrian, Hindu, Christian, Muslim, Jew, Satanist, Atheist, etc. then I contradict them with my knowledge about something else entirely, just to bewilder them.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on November 27, 2011, 02:38:56 am
It's hard to maintain tact here. There was a time when Saruman was the only religious apologist, and Lord J, GrayLensman, Radical_Dreamer, several others, and soon enough, I presided over a hegemony of reason, an attitude that filtered into the zeal for analyzing the Chrono series and drawing up principles of time travel. For that reason, the Compendium's always felt like a personal space.

I don't know. There are probably people of color, women, or the deeply impoverished out there who would say I'm acting like a baby for having tasted only a little bit of the discrimination that pervades this world. But I want to give it zeal. In a world in which rampant consumerism, entertainment, and religious validation have dulled participation in political machinery (and severely dulled intellectual curiosity and prowess), passion has become a rare commodity.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on November 27, 2011, 03:08:43 am
I don't know. There are probably people of color, women, or the deeply impoverished out there who would say I'm acting like a baby for having tasted only a little bit of the discrimination that pervades this world. But I want to give it zeal. In a world in which rampant consumerism, entertainment, and religious validation have dulled participation in political machinery (and severely dulled intellectual curiosity and prowess), passion has become a rare commodity.
Indeed. If it's any encouragement, Z, I'd like to say that I share the very flame you light, the very intense zeal as yours, so you're not alone. I do it for those impoverished people, for those sectors of humanity where the slightest ray of light never reaches.

I did mention once before about the orphan girl I had a hearty conversation with. It was disheartening, despite the fact that she saw the world as completely different from what we do. Her heart was beautiful, and indeed she'd see our arguments as childish whining.

For her sake, for all those like that girl, I'll do everything I can to set bring in the light.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on November 27, 2011, 06:20:10 pm
Often the largest difficulty lies in properly defining the question. I will address this in regards to Zeality's post, but highlighting this difficulty is important for those comments. Thus, if you will indulge me, I will explain. If you will not, then I would urge you to skip down to the second part of my post.

Also, Rushingwind, if you do not mind, I would like to use something you said as an example of this:

As a geology student, I have fielded discussions from at least two people who were determined to prove to me that "flood geology" was real and true, and that "polystrate fossils" proved it. Introductory Geology 101 clearly explains why all of this is simply nonsense. But even then, explaining to them that "flood geology" was disproven by a Creationist geologist more than 100 years ago doesn't convince them. The mindbogglingly simple explanation of so-called polystrate fossils doesn't convince them. No, they come into the argument convinced they're right, and that I'm wrong, and there's nothing I can say or do to make them see the simple truth before their eyes. They cannot see the simple truth because they have "faith." They'd rather believe in a story (one that would have them believe their god has purposely tried to deceive them about the nature of the Earth and the universe) than pay attention to fact.

The problems you had arose primarily from the wrong question being addressed. I can say this with certainty because I've been on both sides of that same discussion. Although it might seem like the question was if "flood geology" v real geology was correct, or perhaps if creationism was a valid intellectual position, in reality the question that was being addressed was if Christianity is a viable world view or not. Many individuals, both Christians and Atheists, frame these as being the same when they are not.

The individuals in your example wouldn't listen to you because you were only addressing one small sliver of a problem. You were trying to prove that they were wrong in only one tiny regard, when if they admit that they were wrong there, they would also be forced (in their minds) to say that they were wrong in a host of other areas that you hadn't even touched upon. It is like trying to pick up a large piece of plywood and keep it horizontal by only lifting one tiny corner.

In short, both you and those you were talking to were not discussing the real issue, and thus no progress could be made. It would have been far more profitable to discuss how the real issue is a false dilemma and that accepting real geology need not cause a domino effect for their world view.

It doesn't really matter what your (here, I am switching to an abstract "you," rather than a "you, RW") perspective on religion is. The fact that the head of the NIH and one of the top scientists in the nation can be religious and fully support science reveals that the two need not be at odds. Thus, while your long-term goal might be to eliminate religion, a more pertinent and desirable short-term goal is properly identifying the problem between religion and science and correcting it. This will not result in the elimination of religion, but it will be a good step towards the eliminations of pseudoscience.



Now, how does this relate to Zeality? Alas, the defenses given thus far do not address the actual question.

To be clear, Zeality is perfectly justified in being angry at being discriminated against based on him being an atheist. The question, however, is if that in turn justifies how he expresses that anger.

Anger motivates one to action, but what sort of action is posting such a comment as he did? It doesn't better the situation. It is, however, mildly cathartic. But why is it so? It is not just because he is expressing his anger: if that was the case, then the profanity and (hopeful) hyperbole are utterly unnecessary. Any outlet for his anger would suffice, be it posting on a forum or going for a jog.

I propose that such a post does not come from anger but rather from frustration. He envisions a better world. He lives in one that is far less than he wishes it to be. He is faced with an injustice, is angered, and thus is motivated to action. He is unable to do anything useful. Regardless of his anger, he cannot correct the injustice. Here we can fully agree: fuck being unable to correct injustice.

However, here anger is morphed into frustration. He wishes to take meaningful action, he is unable to, he is impotent. Where is the remedy, where the cure?

Anger prompts action, frustration prompts violence. Frustration is released by seizing power in this imaginary way: he might not be able to correct injustice in the real world, but at least here, where he is safe, he can scream to the heavens and for a moment pretend that he does have the power to dominate the source of the injustice.

How does he assert this power? Through violence. Sure, they are just words, but they are damn violent ones.

The question isn't if Zeality is justified in being angry, or frustrated, but rather if he is justified in expressing it through violent means (the “where” this occurs is largely irrelevant). I do not hold that violence is inherently evil and undesirable, and so I have no simple answer in this regard. I am merely proposing that discussion should center on the real question.

We might broaden the discussion slightly by asking what the proper response to injustices is when one lacks the power to affect a change in one’s immediate state, instead of if violence is appropriate in this specific case. I am sure that Zeality would gladly choose a course of action that provided him with the same release but had the added benefit of improving the world at the same time.



Katie, in regards to if you should continue interacting in this part of the compendium, I would urge you to do so. If nothing else, Z does have the virtue of allowing others to call BS on him. And while you might not respect him, perhaps you might be able to tolerate the situation if there are those who you do respect who in turn respect him. Besides, there are plenty of good people here besides him to interact with.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 27, 2011, 08:33:03 pm
I see what you did there, Thought. I thank you for the change of mind and the edit to your post. I will never choose to totally restrict myself in the way you had suggested. This coexists with my pledge to leave tush well enough alone. It is inevitable that I will occasionally mention him or even speak directly to him. I may even have something nice to say! In this case, it's not his place (or mine, for that matter, given that I renounced my administratorship), to discourage whole avenues of general discussion on the General Discussion board. And since, humanity being what it is, no one else would likely have pointed that out, sometimes these things fall to me. Give me at least enough credit for that.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on November 28, 2011, 12:30:43 am
...sometimes these things fall to me.
Are you sure?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on November 28, 2011, 01:05:52 am
...sometimes these things fall to me.
Are you sure?
Hah, I think I know how you took that tushantin, but for what it's worth, my interpretation was that J's merely saying he's keenly observant on certain issues, including who has what rights to do what on a forum, etc. In that sense, it does fall to him if nobody thinks to point it out first.

As for the premise of J's observation (if I'm following this line of discussion correctly), I'd prefer to tweak it a bit: rank and file members are free to make suggestions inasmuch as we have free speech here, but free speech being what it is, chances are the topic will come up again anyway if you happen to suggest that a topic not be discussed.

Wow, that came out sounding kind of like: "And I don't know half of you half as well as I should like!"
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 28, 2011, 01:13:27 am
Yes, thoughtfully put, Faust. You have surmised my meaning well. My word that I will behave myself, but it is in my nature to chafe against silly sayings. At any rate, I meant nothing against tushantin, except possibly that I was more keenly attuned to an error of his than I might have been to an error of someone else's--although I have lectured many people in my time here similarly, including friends, so perhaps do not read into it too much.

This forum shall continue to be open to all forms of discussion until ZeaLitY brings down the iron fist upon us all and the sun sets on our golden land.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 28, 2011, 01:13:51 am
Hey...100 pages of hate.

That's not at all a pleasant milestone. =/
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on November 28, 2011, 05:04:22 am
Let's make that 200! The more hate we have the more we can work together to fix things with love.

Today's hate: I despise the fact that I get mentally exhausted when writing large ballads. *scratches his head* Sometimes limitless zeal isn't as limitless as we think.

And to note that I also need to write a serenade!  :o
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Syna on November 28, 2011, 03:29:01 pm
People are so quick to assume that females are weak, and I rather suspect that it's because sexism is so ubiquitously entrenched that they think so, rather than that they're just lying fools who knowingly participate in a sexist culture and then spout lies to deny their crimes. (There are some of the latter, but I think the former are far more numerous.)

I agree, and my experiences with chivalrous attitudes has made me consider this issue closely a number of times. When a male performs a chivalrous act, and an act which is very explicitly performed because I am female and cannot be interpreted as mere generosity, I have often been at a loss for how to respond. Most of the time these males really do not mean it in any kind of patronizing way. I don't even think they consider females inferior, much of the time -- they are just mistaken about our capabilities, or want to show respect in a way they do not recognize as dysfunctional, or want to validate their identities as males to society at large.

To that end I tend to let go of actions like someone's opening the door for me or pulling out a chair. Such actions could be theoretically performed for anyone and any method I'd have of stopping these would likely be blanketly alienating. By way of rebelling against it, however, I often hold open the door for whoever is behind me and of course if their hands are not free or are otherwise incapacitated. When someone tries to pick something up for me, however, or help me with something, I tend to smile and say no thanks. (This has happened, hilariously, when I'm in the process of loading up a barbell -- it's like, yes dude, I can pick this up, in fact, I plan on lifting three or five times as much, thanks!) Of yet no one has reacted defensively (and a couple of times, they have been kind and apologetic about it), so I think this is probably effective. It neither implicates the male directly nor seems ungrateful for the part of his gesture which is simply motivated by kindness.

It's difficult, though. Though chivalry is a complex topic, I do think most of its manifestations are sexist, and resisting it seems to evoke the most defensive and stubborn anti-feminism..
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on November 28, 2011, 03:39:52 pm
It neither implicates the male directly nor seems ungrateful for the part of his gesture which is simply motivated by kindness.
And indeed it is motivated by kindness. Now courtesy can begin anywhere in major social situations, and while there are portion (or majority, whatever you assume) with chivalrous intent, how would you know that every respectful behavior was out of what intent?

Just a simple thing to contemplate on: While a man opening the door for a woman may look chivalrous in nature, it may actually be out of kindness and emotional generosity towards a stranger. Perhaps he does that for both men and women? How would you recognize chivalry from a courteous one?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on November 29, 2011, 12:43:15 am
Since we're on the topic, double post.

I despise the media and capitalism sometimes. Simply to promote a product and rake in profits they harvest on the intrigue and needs of common people and turn culture upside down.

An example would be ads encouraging little girls to dream "they can be Princesses". While I admit everyone dreams of grandeur from time to time, I personally don't like the terms of "Princess", especially when an individual can hardly be one (inventing broken dreams, aye), but also pushing sexism into the young, or rejecting the possibility that there can be so much more for an individual to become or how capable and independent a woman can truly be.

What's worse is that the girls buy into this sort of thing (as children do), and their parents support it. It enforces the idea of chivalry and "women are weak" factor, while males pride themselves as knights.

This reminds me of something Ashley told me once:
"While every girl in my dreamt of being princesses, I desired to be the President."
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Syna on November 29, 2011, 02:15:03 am
Just a simple thing to contemplate on: While a man opening the door for a woman may look chivalrous in nature, it may actually be out of kindness and emotional generosity towards a stranger. Perhaps he does that for both men and women? How would you recognize chivalry from a courteous one?

That's exactly my point -- I don't know, and I prefer to err on the side of charity and politeness. So in the case of things like door-opening I tend to be generous in my assumption that they are motivated by courtesy. In the case of males trying to lift things for me, that's more obviously something they do because I'm female; though even in that case, in the rare situation that I am genuinely struggling (usually because I'm not as tall as they are and the object is bulky) I will of course be grateful for their offer.

However, often chivalry is just the default, as in the case of the man who thought I couldn't load my barbell on my own, even though I was carrying the weight capably. In those cases I feel the best outcome is gently refusing to let them help, which will hopefully implicitly point to their benevolent sexism.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on November 29, 2011, 06:03:21 am
Yes, I fucking hate the shit out of men who talk about chivalry and how it's "so unfair to men, because we're expected to hold the door open to women," completely missing the point that this is patronizing them and done on the assumption that they're weak and need protection and special attention. Fuck those idiots.

And then a lot of their childish responses are "NOT HOLDING THE DOOR OPEN FOR THAT ***BITCH***" or "SLUT DIDNT HOLD THE DOOR OPEN FOR ME!" Nevermind that maybe she didn't open the door for you because most women know that giving attention to some men, even in a small nice gesture, is going to be interpreted as sexual interest! It's been psychologically fucking PROVEN and verified in studies that men interpret nice gestures as sexual interest much more than women. Assholes.

Their reaction is just like the one about the fucking draft. "Oh, it's so unfair that men get drafted and not women!" Yeah, nevermind that this is completely culturally a part of the trope that men are strong, brave, honorable defenders of the national hearth and women are homemakers who maintain the home front, and can't possibly be good soldiers or officers! But Johnny MRA in his fucking caveman stupor can't realize such an obvious fucking truth. "WOMEN SHOULD BE DRAFTED TOO!!" How about NO ONE SHOULD BE FUCKING DRAFTED? TWO WRONGS IN A PATRIARCHAL, MILITARIZED SHIT-WORLD DON'T MAKE A FUCKING RIGHT, YOU PIECE OF SHIT.

I swear to all fuck, it's inescapable. I can't watch a fucking TV show or movie, visit a website, go outside, anything, without coming into contact with patriarchy. I just want to fucking destroy it. Completely tear it apart in a primal rage. I know the enemy, and it's fucking patriarchy. Fuck it to all hell.

And if you ever, ever are around someone or know someone who makes a sandwich/kitchen joke, disown them. Fuck them back to the stone age. They can rub two sticks together to make fire, because that's the level of refinement their fucking minds are on. God, people are so fucking stupid it breaks my mind.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on November 29, 2011, 07:39:53 am
Why do I imagine Z having a Vegeta's (Christopher Sabbat) voice?

I swear to all fuck, it's inescapable. I can't watch a fucking TV show or movie, visit a website, go outside, anything, without coming into contact with patriarchy.

And if you ever, ever are around someone or know someone who makes a sandwich/kitchen joke, disown them.
That just gave me an idea.

One of the primary forces that keep Patriarchy persistent in culture is media (and jokes). How about we have anti-Patriarchy movies, stories and jokes? Similar to that "Matrix Patriarchy" comic thingy? (That said, I'm actually working on one, but don't know how to place the ending punch)

After all, culture begins from the hearts of the people. Show them a better way, tell em a story, and viola!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Katie Skyye on November 29, 2011, 12:23:06 pm
And if you ever, ever are around someone or know someone who makes a sandwich/kitchen joke, disown them.

...but I actually find those kinds of jokes really funny most of the time. >3> I know my friends well enough to know that they're not being serious about it. And as for anyone else--I don't even pay attention to them, so I wouldn't know if they're making those sorts of jokes.

Don't worry, I understand what you're saying, and yes, they're inherently detrimental to the eradication of sexism, but...yeah. I definitely laugh at those jokes...though it's mainly because it's such overblown sexism that it's absurd. The fact that there are actually people who think that way in a non-joking manner is completely disgusting, though... :/ I see your point, but it prolly won't have any effect on my sense of humor.

Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Truthordeal on November 29, 2011, 01:09:49 pm
If Pope's Rape of the Lock sought to teach us anything, it's that good humor and good sense are essential. Overblown sexist behaviors can be as funny just as any other type of absurdist humor. But it's important to know when someone's trying to be absurd and when they actually believe it. I have a feeling that most of the "sammich" jokes on the Internet come from a source that does, in fact, have that misogynistic attitude. So it's not so much that they can't be funny, but most of the time those jokes come from that He-Man Woman Hater impulse we've developed.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on November 29, 2011, 03:12:09 pm
Not here. First person to make a kitchen joke gets summarily fucking dealt with.

People don't realize that rape, FGM, and other ostensible displays of sexism are the tip of the iceberg, the symptom of the underlying problem: deeply misogynist culture. And the trappings of a deeply misogynist culture are "innocent kitchen jokes" and other pervasive sexist bullshit that undermine everything. It's the little stuff, like girls being made to receive pink toys and act a certain way from infancy, that flower into the fucked up world we have today. And how would you fucking feel if you were a victim of sexual abuse, domestic abuse, or even just a woman aware of the systematic oppression of females in this world and had to occupy a forum with people who made kitchen jokes? Hostile as fuck. Telling a woman to go back to the kitchen is like telling a black person to get back to the cotton fields. Now please tell me, when we obviously wouldn't tolerate the latter, how the first is fucking tolerated?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: rushingwind on November 29, 2011, 09:06:13 pm
The very fact that we condone sexist jokes, such as the kitchen jokes spoken of here, are indicative of a huge problem. Instead of recognizing them as representative of an underlying problem that absolutely DOES exist, we satirize and laugh at the plight of the women. I used to laugh at those jokes a long time ago, too. However, knowing what I know now, I realize my behavior was rooted in sheer ignorance. I laughed about it because I thought, "Oh, of course, he doesn't really mean it." All the while, I completely missed the point: Our society is saying it's totally okay to make fun of women like that. This is not okay.

Zeality's comparison about joking to a black person to get back to the cotton fields is exactly equivalent. 50 or 60 years ago, it would have been "just a joke," and we'd have been telling people to lighten up (sound familiar?). I hope in about 50 years (hopefully much less), we'll understand that the kitchen jokes are exactly the same. And we'll stop.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 29, 2011, 09:40:33 pm
It's true. Those kinds of jokes lose all their humor once you begin to truly understand the built-in malice behind them.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on November 29, 2011, 09:43:56 pm
The very fact that we condone sexist jokes, such as the kitchen jokes spoken of here, are indicative of a huge problem. Instead of recognizing them as representative of an underlying problem that absolutely DOES exist, we satirize and laugh at the plight of the women. I used to laugh at those jokes a long time ago, too. However, knowing what I know now, I realize my behavior was rooted in sheer ignorance. I laughed about it because I thought, "Oh, of course, he doesn't really mean it." All the while, I completely missed the point: Our society is saying it's totally okay to make fun of women like that. This is not okay.

Quoted for emphasis.

Also, being a member of a marginalized group and finding a joke at the expense of said marginalized group humourous is irrelevant.  It's still offensive.  I know a bisexual person who thinks homophobic jokes are funny.  I know rape survivors who have no problem with rape jokes or shit like "lawlz I totally just raped my econ exam".  I don't care.  Those jokes are still offensive.  If you're a woman who finds "get back in the kitchen" comments to be hilarious, that is totally up to you.  It's still offensive.  It's still sexist.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 30, 2011, 12:43:04 am
Glenn Beck Wants Fat People to Die (http://fooooo.com/w/b816c487746f47006a69e255f12f25ee)

This clip is somewhat old. I am so very pleased that he's off Fox News and out of the public limelight. What a piece of garbage.

Anyhow, usually when a headline suggests that somebody wants people to die, the story behind it is that they are advocating for a policy that will have the unacknowledged or outright-denied effect of causing people to die. Not this time. Beck actually said that fat people should die. Not the people who are merely Beck-fat, of course--which he noted. No, he meant the "really" fat ones, whose "skin grows into the couch."

I should not need to point it out, but, in case I do, bigotry against fat people does not magically become acceptable after some arbitrary threshold of fatness. If somebody weighs 1000 pounds, you're still as much of a bigot for mistreating them on the basis of being fat as you are if they weigh 200.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on November 30, 2011, 01:12:45 am
The divergence of reaction towards Kitchen Jokes is actually pretty interesting, and it's not about tolerance either; rather based on faith towards a person's intentions. Strangely enough, the reactions diverge because of the joker's intentions in the first place, and we often end up forgiving the person because he actually didn't mean it. The problem is, he didn't mean it based on his innocent ignorance of the circumstances, or what the words may impose, and hence forgiven: he acts, not out of ill will, but out of conformity because "everybody's doing it, and it's funny".

While the most rational idea is simply to forgive and move on, or try to reach an understanding, the intolerant reaction itself may prove useful in discouraging gender-based mockery as whole to raise awareness that such acts may be harmful. I'm still pondering and observing on what kind of reaction may have what effects in this situation.

Glenn Beck Wants Fat People to Die (http://fooooo.com/w/b816c487746f47006a69e255f12f25ee)
Ouch...

Glenn Beck, y u so mean?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 30, 2011, 04:19:21 am
I think you make a legitimate point that some people of lesser character will react to the rebuke of being told their joke is sexist by intensifying their position--a hardening of the mind around the embrace of sexism. It happens sometimes. You have to judge the person in question, and the context of the situation. At the very least, you should withhold the affirmation of your laughter, smiles, and nodding of the head. If you feel you can productively say that you didn't think it was a funny joke, then go to that length. If they invite an explanation, give them one.

You will get better at it over time, as you learn why to say what you want what to say. With Faust's tutelage and your own study I'm sure you will make considerable strides if you want.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on November 30, 2011, 08:58:59 am
I thought you were making an overture of considerate conversation. It would seem the joke is on me.

Edit: It looks like tush deleted his post, for those of you wondering what this one refers to.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on December 04, 2011, 04:20:56 am
http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/myqdy/why_do_europeans_hate_gypsies_so_much/

Oh, I don't hate the thread. It's an enlightening read for anyone (especially Americans) inexperienced with Roma who rush to their defense, unaware that typical racism and lack of privilege just do not apply with them. Utter trash. There needs to be forced relocation and seizure of children by the state, or chemical castration, or something. This is a nomadic culture in a world in which that shit no longer flies. It must be destroyed.

Sigh, idiots like this:

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Bunch of fucking disgusting European racists in this thread... the same lingo has been used countless of times against the Jews, against Blacks in the U.S., hell, against any minority that is blamed for the ills of the society, and look at what those led to. Such marginalization and classification of people into 'us' as opposed to 'them' has always been and will remain the most crucial component of racist rhetoric. Pat yourselves on the back, Europe, good fucking job!

This person has obviously never had to deal with them.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on December 04, 2011, 04:52:58 am
Ehhh, I don't know about chemical sterilization, but I am curious whether Romani children brought up in these roving camps even go to public schools? And are Romani children allowed in if they do want to attend, for that matter?

Besides the cultural factors, a few of the complaints I've read there so far remind me of complaints leveled at the poor right here in the US. The rowdy households, for example -- unless the Romani are trained in some kind of ululation technique, seems like all the shrieking in their households (assuming some are trying to make do in a sedentary lifestyle) could be a simple facet of poverty. What I mean to say is, I wonder how much of the problem is cultural, how much can be traced to poverty, and how those factors intertwine?

Until I learn more, it seems the best hope would lie in giving individual Romani an incentive to stick with a job and earn a decent living. Discrimination (e.g., during hiring interviews) could effectively prolong the problem -- a Romani tossed back into the roving band is just one more who might teach their kid all those pickpocketing tricks.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Syna on December 04, 2011, 12:28:25 pm
Yeah, I agree with Faust; it's hard to underestimate how powerful self-fulfilling prophecies become. The gypsies act that way because they're expected to, and people expect them to because they do.

Cultures change in the most effective ways through gradual means, and if they're antagonistic to the dominant culture, they won't learn from it. And I don't think we can underestimate the impact that centuries of oppression truly has... we literally, in a physical, genetic sense, inherit trauma from our parents, which makes questions of institutionalized discrimination especially tragic and tricky. (From what I understand it is unquestionable that Europeans did genuinely discriminate against gypsies for a very long time.)

Not that I know what a solution would be, really. It's a difficult question.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on December 04, 2011, 03:53:46 pm
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Until I learn more, it seems the best hope would lie in giving individual Romani an incentive to stick with a job and earn a decent living.

Better, more drastic things have been done. Roma have been given brand new apartments, employment opportunities, and schools, all at once. The kids were pulled out of the schools; the workers never showed; and inspectors found that most of the metalwork, wiring, and plumbing in the apartments had been ripped out and sold for scrap, with people regularly defecating on the floor or hallways.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Truthordeal on December 04, 2011, 08:09:18 pm
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Until I learn more, it seems the best hope would lie in giving individual Romani an incentive to stick with a job and earn a decent living.

Better, more drastic things have been done. Roma have been given brand new apartments, employment opportunities, and schools, all at once. The kids were pulled out of the schools; the workers never showed; and inspectors found that most of the metalwork, wiring, and plumbing in the apartments had been ripped out and sold for scrap, with people regularly defecating on the floor or hallways.

And that happened 100% of the time. Always.

So we need to go ahead and sterilize all of them. While we're doing that, let's take away all of their legal rights. If they keep pickpocketing others, or even if they look like they're about to, we should be allowed to shoot and kill them. Better yet, let's take them all and put them on farms and make them work to solve the world hunger crisis. And we should build a high, barbed wire fence, with guard towers and snipers in everyone. Every time one of them gets lazy on the job the snipers can take them out, and get rid of the excess population. If they end up being too much of a handful, we can just erect massive furnaces and...

You all get where this line of thought is going. I call it my Ultimate Answer to the Roma conundrum.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: xcalibur on December 04, 2011, 09:25:00 pm
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Until I learn more, it seems the best hope would lie in giving individual Romani an incentive to stick with a job and earn a decent living.

Better, more drastic things have been done. Roma have been given brand new apartments, employment opportunities, and schools, all at once. The kids were pulled out of the schools; the workers never showed; and inspectors found that most of the metalwork, wiring, and plumbing in the apartments had been ripped out and sold for scrap, with people regularly defecating on the floor or hallways.

the truth is that cultures are a very resilient thing. there are certain patterns among peoples that have maintained themselves for generations. Certain peoples have excelled in certain areas and not others across great lengths of time and space. some groups have been more industrious or militaristic, others have been "middleman minorities" (shopkeepers, bankers etc.).

As for the Roma, they are nomads. for centuries they've wandered around, stealing, hustling, fortune-telling, and doing odd jobs. numerous attempts by europe in past centuries didn't change them. the holocaust, in which they were targeted, didn't change them. neither did communist repression. and neither has modern attempts at reconciling them to society.

as a people, the Roma will continue to be exactly who they are. and there's nothing racist about saying that - I can pull up facts and statistics to support the German excellence in farming and military command, the Jews success in economics, and the Scots success in modern medicine.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on December 04, 2011, 09:48:50 pm
I would encourage you against maintaining that position, xcalibur. You are mistaking ethnic persistence for race, and, though you are clearly sensitive to the charge of racism since you claimed that your comments are not racist, they are, in fact, racist. The Romani peoples are beholden to their culture; it is not easy to improve their circumstances from without while affording them self-control over their own affairs. It has little if anything to do with the genetics of the people themselves.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on December 05, 2011, 12:11:00 am
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Until I learn more, it seems the best hope would lie in giving individual Romani an incentive to stick with a job and earn a decent living.

Better, more drastic things have been done. Roma have been given brand new apartments, employment opportunities, and schools, all at once. The kids were pulled out of the schools; the workers never showed; and inspectors found that most of the metalwork, wiring, and plumbing in the apartments had been ripped out and sold for scrap, with people regularly defecating on the floor or hallways.

And that happened 100% of the time. Always.

So we need to go ahead and sterilize all of them. While we're doing that, let's take away all of their legal rights. If they keep pickpocketing others, or even if they look like they're about to, we should be allowed to shoot and kill them. Better yet, let's take them all and put them on farms and make them work to solve the world hunger crisis. And we should build a high, barbed wire fence, with guard towers and snipers in everyone. Every time one of them gets lazy on the job the snipers can take them out, and get rid of the excess population. If they end up being too much of a handful, we can just erect massive furnaces and...

You all get where this line of thought is going. I call it my Ultimate Answer to the Roma conundrum.

Ah, Godwin's Law in action. "Arguing for Dummies" should be a single-page book with "USE A NAZI ANALOGY" and nothing else.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Truthordeal on December 05, 2011, 01:06:49 am
Ah, my apologies. I should've known you wouldn't appreciate my Nazi inspired language.

Instead, why don't we rent out some space in Siberia or another suitably cold place to relocate them? Or we could use machetes and communicate logistics to each other over the open airwaves?

It's your presumed ethnic cleansing dude, use whichever historical analog you're most comfortable with.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: xcalibur on December 05, 2011, 02:41:46 am
I would encourage you against maintaining that position, xcalibur. You are mistaking ethnic persistence for race, and, though you are clearly sensitive to the charge of racism since you claimed that your comments are not racist, they are, in fact, racist. The Romani peoples are beholden to their culture; it is not easy to improve their circumstances from without while affording them self-control over their own affairs. It has little if anything to do with the genetics of the people themselves.

I'm not talking about genetics or race. I'm discussing embedded cultures of certain ethnicities or peoples (a term I prefer). culture can be a flimsy veneer, but it can also be deep-rooted. people live in certain ways and tend to practice certain professions in accordance with long-term patterns. clamping down on them or giving them new tools and opportunities doesn't necessarily change them, unless they are receptive to it. these deep-rooted cultures CAN change gradually, but that's about it. All-out genocide would probably be easier than remolding a people.

I don't think the Roma are racially inferior, even though they've maintained their genetics very well (they've been traced back to India, btw). but they have a deep-rooted nomadic culture, which is demonstrated by them approaching life the same way for a very long time through radically different circumstances. there isn't much you can do about that, aside from lending a hand to Roma individuals who want to be something different... unless you're willing to get your hands bloody. Which leads me to...

Ah, my apologies. I should've known you wouldn't appreciate my Nazi inspired language.

Instead, why don't we rent out some space in Siberia or another suitably cold place to relocate them? Or we could use machetes and communicate logistics to each other over the open airwaves?

It's your presumed ethnic cleansing dude, use whichever historical analog you're most comfortable with.

Various regimes have moved people around and scattered them for control. Two examples I can think of are Stalinist Russia and the ancient Assyrians.

but there's a problem with this, and even moreso with genocide. Aside from the obvious moral concerns, they require tyranny. You simply can't maintain a free and democratic society while doing ruthless purges and pogroms.

The Roma may cause social problems, but the costs involved in obliterating them are much too high.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on December 05, 2011, 02:53:40 am
Ah, my apologies. I should've known you wouldn't appreciate my Nazi inspired language.

Instead, why don't we rent out some space in Siberia or another suitably cold place to relocate them? Or we could use machetes and communicate logistics to each other over the open airwaves?

It's your presumed ethnic cleansing dude, use whichever historical analog you're most comfortable with.

Did you even read the reddit thread? As long as you neglect your sources and keep taking plays out of the right-wing radio host playbook, you're going to lose. And I thought you'd improved.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on December 05, 2011, 04:26:30 am
I hate the hating. 'Nuff said.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Truthordeal on December 05, 2011, 10:48:14 am
Did you even read the reddit thread? As long as you neglect your sources and keep taking plays out of the right-wing radio host playbook, you're going to lose. And I thought you'd improved.

I did. What I read there wasn't surprising to me, as the Czech friend that I've mentioned on here a few times told me more or less the same thing. Originally, I'll admit, I saw the similarities between how the Roma were treated and how urban blacks are perceived down here and figured it was exaggeration. But I looked up some sources on them after someone on here posted a story about Madonna asking for tolerance for them at a concert she was doing. It seems like a lot of Europeans really do have some tragic horror stories coming from these people. This is probably the only case I've encountered where the people doing the hating have a legitimate rationale for generalizing their hatred. I can emphasize with that, and I probably wouldn't be as kind to them policywise as Syna and FaustWolf were. I have no desire to defend them from their own actions.

But even with that, wanting to wipe out a whole group of people based on race or ethnicity is a bad thing.

And before you say that I'm misrepresenting your viewpoint, I'll quote exactly what you said about the Roma previously in this thread.

Utter trash. There needs to be forced relocation and seizure of children by the state, or chemical castration, or something. This is a nomadic culture in a world in which that shit no longer flies. It must be destroyed. (emphasis mine)

That is the definition of "ethnic cleansing." Literally:

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eth·nic cleans·ing
Noun:   
The mass expulsion or killing of members of an ethnic or religious group in a society.

What makes this different from your earlier "salt mines" statement that a few took umbrage with is that this one is eery and frighteningly specific. This seems like a laundry list of policies rather than a hyperbole expressing your hate of some idiot. It seems serious, in other words, and that you really meant it this time. And that's...bad.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on December 05, 2011, 03:12:34 pm
What other options are on the table, except use of governmental force to separate the culture from the people?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: xcalibur on December 05, 2011, 06:54:59 pm
What other options are on the table, except use of governmental force to separate the culture from the people?

my whole point is that this is exceedingly difficult.

the most realistic option is keep the social issues under control without wasting too many resources on them.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Truthordeal on December 05, 2011, 07:32:32 pm
What other options are on the table, except use of governmental force to separate the culture from the people?

I don't have an answer for that. As xcalibur said, it is an extremely difficult situation. Off the top of my head: an increased police presence in Romani prevalent areas, if nothing other than to keep the non-Roma safe. If you take away their success at criminal behavior, they will either starve or they will attempt something other than crime.  This is not the ideal solution, but I doubt there is one that makes everyone happy.

But, just because we can't find an easy cure-all doesn't mean we need to resort to that course of action.

Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on December 05, 2011, 07:51:27 pm
Thanks for clarifying earlier, xcalibur. That passes muster with me.

I think you and Truthordeal recognize that there are no good fixes for a failed culture which do not entail disrupting the culture in some way and otherwise depriving the people of some measure of their liberty. I would suppose that ZeaLitY mentioned something like sterilization as a roundabout way of recognizing that stopping these problems at the generational level is vastly easier than fixing them in people who have already grown up and decided how they will look at the world. That said, I don't presently support large-scale sterilization programs as a response to a failed culture--mainly for lack of sufficient consideration, and partly due to concerns about "unjustifiable" infringements on their liberty and about the possibility that it would amount to cruelty even if well-intentioned.

I will say that I think the two of you need to draw a finer distinction between aggressive but productive and ultimately beneficial solutions, and aggressive, punitive, ultimately deleterious solutions...because they can appear very similar in terms of their level of intrusiveness into the culture in question, and thus the individual lives of people, yet they are very different entities. Large-scale aggressive intervention is often more ethical and humane than none at all, but many people cannot discern between beneficial and detrimental intervention, and thus oppose all large-scale intervention. (And some people have the reverse problem of supporting large-scale intervention regardless of whether it is justified or not.)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Syna on December 05, 2011, 08:05:44 pm
This is probably the only case I've encountered where the people doing the hating have a legitimate rationale for generalizing their hatred. I can emphasize with that, and I probably wouldn't be as kind to them policywise as Syna and FaustWolf were. I have no desire to defend them from their own actions.

Hmm, I'm not saying I would be kind to them. I really don't know what the solution is at this point, but I'm not a relativist (nor do I believe in absolute morality, but regardless). My instinct is to say "more, better police," because if the police were able to do their jobs with respect to the Roma this would not be so much of an issue, but I don't think that would necessarily end well. Regardless, the Roma are disrupting the cultures they live in and causing a great deal of harm to people and property, so I don't see it as remiss, necessarily, that people dislike them, & that states crack down upon them. Actions have consequences.

I do very much doubt that the chances they were given were very well-considered.

What I'd like to see is a serious discussion about discrimination and dysfunction that goes beyond "they're evil, terrible people," and beyond the assumption that if someone choses against a chance of hard work, mainstream success, and moral compliance they are inherently degenerate. There is probably a great deal to be learned about the psychology of poverty from the Roma's situation.  In general, I favor framing questions of ethics in terms of cultural norms, because that's what I consider 95% of ethics to be.

I also know (and it's repeated in the thread) that the gypsies in Southern Spain are very well-adjusted and well-liked. Assuming they have anything significant in common with the Roma generally, maybe some clues to a policy could be found in studying the history of the region.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on December 06, 2011, 05:09:49 am
...an increased police presence in Romani prevalent areas, if nothing other than to keep the non-Roma safe. If you take away their success at criminal behavior, they will either starve or they will attempt something other than crime.  This is not the ideal solution, but I doubt there is one that makes everyone happy.

But, just because we can't find an easy cure-all doesn't mean we need to resort to that course of action.

culture can be a flimsy veneer, but it can also be deep-rooted. people live in certain ways and tend to practice certain professions in accordance with long-term patterns. clamping down on them or giving them new tools and opportunities doesn't necessarily change them, unless they are receptive to it. these deep-rooted cultures CAN change gradually, but that's about it. All-out genocide would probably be easier than remolding a people.

I don't think the Roma are racially inferior, even though they've maintained their genetics very well (they've been traced back to India, btw). but they have a deep-rooted nomadic culture, which is demonstrated by them approaching life the same way for a very long time through radically different circumstances. there isn't much you can do about that, aside from lending a hand to Roma individuals who want to be something different... unless you're willing to get your hands bloody.

but there's a problem with this, and even moreso with genocide. Aside from the obvious moral concerns, they require tyranny. You simply can't maintain a free and democratic society while doing ruthless purges and pogroms.

The Roma may cause social problems, but the costs involved in obliterating them are much too high.


My instinct is to say "more, better police," because if the police were able to do their jobs with respect to the Roma this would not be so much of an issue, but I don't think that would necessarily end well. Regardless, the Roma are disrupting the cultures they live in and causing a great deal of harm to people and property, so I don't see it as remiss, necessarily, that people dislike them, & that states crack down upon them. Actions have consequences.

What I'd like to see is a serious discussion about discrimination and dysfunction that goes beyond "they're evil, terrible people," and beyond the assumption that if someone choses against a chance of hard work, mainstream success, and moral compliance they are inherently degenerate. There is probably a great deal to be learned about the psychology of poverty from the Roma's situation.  In general, I favor framing questions of ethics in terms of cultural norms, because that's what I consider 95% of ethics to be.

I also know (and it's repeated in the thread) that the gypsies in Southern Spain are very well-adjusted and well-liked. Assuming they have anything significant in common with the Roma generally, maybe some clues to a policy could be found in studying the history of the region.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: rushingwind on December 06, 2011, 11:25:57 pm
What other options are on the table, except use of governmental force to separate the culture from the people?

I know I'm a few days late, and have only been somewhat paying attention to this thread (I've been busy), but this got my attention. After reading back through these posts, though, I hope I'm seriously misunderstanding this. ZeaLitY, are you actually suggesting that genocide is a reasonable option here?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on December 06, 2011, 11:54:43 pm
No, as much my detractors would have people believe it. I'm suggesting very strong enforcement of law to break the cycle of damaging culture. Roma kids are taught to steal from infancy, paired off with others and forced to mate in their preteens, etc.,, etc. There is a massive exploitation of children here, and I don't see how the cycle can be broken unless these children are removed from this environment.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: rushingwind on December 07, 2011, 12:15:59 am
No, as much my detractors would have people believe it. I'm suggesting very strong enforcement of law to break the cycle of damaging culture. Roma kids are taught to steal from infancy, paired off with others and forced to mate in their preteens, etc.,, etc. There is a massive exploitation of children here, and I don't see how the cycle can be broken unless these children are removed from this environment.

Okay, good. That makes more sense. I had a very WTF reaction when I thought otherwise!

I know far too little about the Roma to comment on what to do about the situation...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Truthordeal on December 07, 2011, 12:52:44 am
No, as much my detractors would have people believe it.

Bullshit. Your own words are there for anyone to see.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on December 07, 2011, 04:44:50 am
Roma kids are taught to steal from infancy...
I dunno why, but that sounded awesome to me!

There is a massive exploitation of children here, and I don't see how the cycle can be broken unless these children are removed from this environment.
Now here I would wager on the idea that taking a child away from the environment would deprive him of crucial observation required for his growth. He will simply "think differently" (like any of us here), but he won't have the cadel of precision to correct his own environs (like any of us pertaining to Roma). He can flee, but he will never change the crucial -- that light will burn for himself, not to illuminate the shady cottage.

For now, I will say nothing more.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on December 08, 2011, 09:16:06 am
 :(

I used to be quite fluent with Braille.

But when I was confronted with it again today, I've realized that I've forgotten it entirely.

And thanks to my handicap, learning it again is gonna be hell...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on December 09, 2011, 05:53:51 am
No, as much my detractors would have people believe it.

Bullshit. Your own words are there for anyone to see.

If you actually think ZeaLitY is advocating genocide, you should do something about it. I see you interacting with him in other threads more recently than the timestamps on these posts here, and there's no indication that your revulsion has carried with you outside this thread. Were you exaggerating your accusations, or does the prospect of sharing company with a mass murderer not trouble you?

There's no barb in that. It's an honest criticism, and an honest question. If your principles mean anything to you, you can't put them aside for convenience and geniality. I should address your criticism that ZeaLitY is proposing something you find horrific. He has denied it, and I think it is oversimplistic for you or anyone to gravitate to the usual tropes, the well-traveled roads of radical political policy, and then try to fit all other policy views into those simplistic models. His actual views are easily radical enough for you find something to complain about, but I don't think he actually wants to kill large groups of people without first making an individual judgment of wrongdoing by those involved. On the other hand, his punitive statements toward the Romani were very broad, and you would be in your rights to demand further clarifications.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on December 09, 2011, 06:14:06 am
Were you exaggerating your accusations...

...then try to fit all other policy views into those simplistic models.
Really? Seriously, Josh?

I don't mean your topic regarding Roma or anything else. I meant with your quoted "statement". Seriously? Coming from you?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on December 09, 2011, 06:21:53 am
What? Are you disagreeing with my decision not to endorse Truthordeal's claim that ZeaLitY wants genocide?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on December 09, 2011, 06:31:04 am
I don't mean your topic regarding Roma or anything else. I meant with your quoted "statement". Seriously? Coming from you?
Quoted statement: below.

Were you exaggerating your accusations...

...then try to fit all other policy views into those simplistic models.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on December 09, 2011, 06:48:51 am
Your point escapes me...which strikes me as unlikely. It must be that you have none.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on December 09, 2011, 06:56:35 am
If I even bother elaborating it you'll start crying "blasphemy" again, and I could point the relevance to your recent comment, "It must be that you have none".

Bah, nevermind then. :lol: Carry on.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on December 09, 2011, 03:11:03 pm
My comedy article pitch was rejected... (http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/r/e/rejectedplz.gif?1) Dammit...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Syna on December 09, 2011, 04:26:51 pm
I just noticed that I have at least three Compendium posts with some kind of "I want to elaborate on this later!" statement. I have the (sometimes rather lengthy) beginnings of them in a text file, but they are far from complete because I keep forgetting about them.

Augh -- being so distractible is annoying sometimes.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Truthordeal on December 09, 2011, 04:46:01 pm
That's a fair point J.

I guess the main reason is that I do not want to drag the stuff from in here out into the other parts of the forum. I used to do that a lot when arguing with you and Zeality, and that seemed to annoy people. More recently you and tush have gone at it that way to the chagrin of a lot of people, and to the anger of Katie, who is usually pretty neutral. A part of me says that I really shouldn't disrupt the entire board's activities for this one thing. Another part is that it'd be pretty nonsequitur and pointless to follow up Z's post about pushing merchandise on customers with something like "who cares what you think you're a genocidal maniac!" especially when I agree with him.

As for the argument in here, it seems to have stopped. I called his denial and refutation of my accusations "bullshit" and he didn't respond. There's no point in me continuing an argument that the person has no desire to argue.

As for this:

I don't think he actually wants to kill large groups of people without first making an individual judgment of wrongdoing by those involved.


Yes, it's pretty unrealistic that Zeality wants to kill all the Romani, and I do realize that Z has a tendency to go nuclear in his posts. As I said before though, in this case it was so specific that there couldn't have been just a blind fury to it, but actual calculation. Every time I brought this language up to him and tried to make him cop to what he was saying, he attempted to turn it back on me, first by criticizing me using Godwin's Law, then by referring to me as a "right wing radio host," then outright denying it and claiming I only brought this accusation to "detract" him. Either he doesn't want to admit he screwed up his wording or he really believes that, and the latter is a pretty frightening thought.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on December 09, 2011, 06:47:55 pm
As a random aside, given that gypsies were targets in the Holocaust (along with Jews, homosexuals, and others), it is perhaps more understandable that the parallel would inform current discussions on their fate, than, say, if one were discussing the fate of Canadian Hurlers.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on December 10, 2011, 05:11:54 am
Two Hates:

1) I could catch up to Yuumei, but no matter how hard I try I can't imitate Laverinne and Hellobaby's artstyle...

2) SOPA sucks. (Sopa? Soap-Ah! So-Pa? So-Hopa! Sooooooooooooopaaaaaaa~)

I'd hate to see the Compendium go down. We need to back up all the data here -- there's a treasure-trove of data here that I've been hoarding in my Chrome library, and I'd hate to see all that go away.

Then again, the biggest library is the human brain. So long as we have all the folks still around I can try poking at people like they're dictionaries.  :D Yes, I poke dictionaries; Yes, I'm a horrible person.

(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/294506_252578994790447_219611311420549_686559_1114651283_n.jpg)

(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/285477_219619798086367_219611311420549_580775_7385959_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on December 10, 2011, 07:40:08 am
That's a fair point J.

Of course it is. People don't seem to realize this often enough!

A part of me says that I really shouldn't disrupt the entire board's activities for this one thing.

It's what General Discussion is here for. You could start a new thread if you want to avoid interrupting the Hate thread.

As for the argument in here, it seems to have stopped. I called his denial and refutation of my accusations "bullshit" and he didn't respond. There's no point in me continuing an argument that the person has no desire to argue.

I think what happened--thought I'm only guessing--is that he wrote you off. You have returned to us from college with considerably more intelligence than you had when you left. Surely it doesn't sit well with you to be dismissed in such a fashion. ZeaLitY isn't as forgiving as I am when it comes to tolerating disagreement.

I persist only because I think there is an interesting discussing hiding in all of this rock, and if we do well we might draw it out.

Yes, it's pretty unrealistic that Zeality wants to kill all the Romani, and I do realize that Z has a tendency to go nuclear in his posts. As I said before though, in this case it was so specific that there couldn't have been just a blind fury to it, but actual calculation. Every time I brought this language up to him and tried to make him cop to what he was saying, he attempted to turn it back on me, first by criticizing me using Godwin's Law, then by referring to me as a "right wing radio host," then outright denying it and claiming I only brought this accusation to "detract" him. Either he doesn't want to admit he screwed up his wording or he really believes that, and the latter is a pretty frightening thought.

I suggest there is also the possibility that the two of you are misunderstanding each other. I don't necessarily mean that one or both of you is wrong. I think you're both closer to right than wrong, in fact. But I think you're both missing something more important about the position of the other.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on December 10, 2011, 10:58:48 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/xw6ok.jpg)

Ah, just in time for the holiday season. Heartwarming.

(http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/7/72450/1355578-klausportrait_large.png)

How much I'd like to say that the feeling is mutual.

Edit:

(http://chronofan.com/Zeality/feminists.png)

One of these days, the people who feel this way will be dead. May all their stupid fucking ignorance and oppressive behavior die with them. The world has more value in their nonexistence.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: xcalibur on December 10, 2011, 11:31:59 pm
I disagree with atheism, but that is disgraceful.

then again, it IS google search suggestions. you're not dealing with the shiniest ornaments on the Christmas tree...

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81/xcalibur9874/googlefail.jpg)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81/xcalibur9874/googlesearchlol1.jpg)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81/xcalibur9874/googlelol1-1.png)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81/xcalibur9874/googlesearch2-1.png)

sorry for scrolling the thread, but these need to be seen. let me know if I should make them links instead.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Truthordeal on December 11, 2011, 12:40:04 am
The "dropped out of school at the age of three" line is actually from a parody rap song.

Lord J, I acknowledge your post and will either respond when time permits me or do something else. Iono.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on December 11, 2011, 01:26:03 am
LMFAO! Ah, Google! You seriously take the weirdest searches :lol:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on December 11, 2011, 01:29:49 am
There's an entire website dedicated to Google searches:  Autocomplete Me (http://failblog.org/tag/autocomplete-me/).

But in all seriousness, that "which is" search was surprisingly...not that stupid.  The first option notwithstanding.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on December 11, 2011, 01:40:12 am
Ah, Fail Blog! You never let me down.

(http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/epic-fail-photos-autocomplete-me-you-sonofa1.jpg) (http://failblog.org/2011/10/23/epic-fail-photos-autocomplete-me-you-sonofa/)

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The most insulting line every said to Google:

"Dear Google,
Can u just allow me to write my own sentence before you start guessing"
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: xcalibur on December 11, 2011, 01:48:05 am
The "dropped out of school at the age of three" line is actually from a parody rap song.

Lord J, I acknowledge your post and will either respond when time permits me or do something else. Iono.

ah, thanks for clearing that up. it had me like  :lee:

There's an entire website dedicated to Google searches:  Autocomplete Me (http://failblog.org/tag/autocomplete-me/).

But in all seriousness, that "which is" search was surprisingly...not that stupid.  The first option notwithstanding.

Indeed.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lord J Esq on December 11, 2011, 06:18:39 am
Ah, just in time for the holiday season. Heartwarming.

That's some sick stuff. I wish I could say it surprised me, but it didn't.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on December 11, 2011, 01:48:20 pm
Was hoping to release the first ep of Polar Detective before Christmas. Looks like I've a very rotten luck...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on December 11, 2011, 04:44:19 pm
It's not just your luck -- I was hoping to do so much before Christmas that I didn't get around to! What is it with self-applied due dates, anyway?  :o  I need to get better at this.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on December 20, 2011, 11:04:31 am
Something inside me feels burned out. I feel distracted. I can't focus. A mere sentence escapes me. I can't even recognize anything visual or aural. Expressions on people's faces seem strange. Noise of any kind seems distracting. People's mere presence keeps me on my guard.

This is not healthy...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on December 23, 2011, 06:12:45 am
Copy-pasting this from Facebook because I am too tired to type it up again.

Early Wednesday morning, I got a phone call from a friend. She asked me for reasons not to kill herself. I talked to her for an hour and urged her to wake up her boyfriend so he could take her to a safe place. Later that night, she called again and told me she had kept her promise to me and was now with her parents. I was so proud of her for being strong enough to get help.

Yesterday her boyfriend called and told me that she had committed suicide.

I am so devastated.  This is the second friend I have lost this year to death.  I wish I could have helped more.  I am so worried that I didn't say the right things.  I cannot imagine what her family, friends, and boyfriend are going through.  I wish I could have done more.  I miss her so much.

I hate that monsters caused my friend so much pain that she felt that the only way to escape her torment was to take her own life.

(And if anyone has the utter gall to say "wow what a coward" or insult my friend in any way then fuck you.)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on December 23, 2011, 07:52:50 am
We don't have enough details, Saj, and as such I'm not sure what to say. I'm not sure what she's been through. I'm not sure what you've talked about. I'm not sure what went through her mind to take such an action.

But in the words of FaustWolf, I guess I can say that nobody wants to kill themselves, and yet there are incredibly despairing circumstances that force people to take such actions. Rest assured, you tried Saj. You did the best you could in this situation.  We probably would have advised the same as you did.

In essence, and in the words of Chetan Bhagat, I'll also say this: "This wasn't suicide; it was murder." She didn't take her own life. Circumstances forced it down her throat. If anything, it is those monsters to blame.

My condolences to you and her family. They may need all the support they can get through their grief. I wonder what went wrong...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Katie Skyye on December 23, 2011, 01:56:03 pm
I hate that monsters caused my friend so much pain that she felt that the only way to escape her torment was to take her own life.

(And if anyone has the utter gall to say "wow what a coward" or insult my friend in any way then fuck you.)

I attempted suicide a few times in Junior High, but each time, someone would walk in on me and nearly catch me. I took it as a sign, and after that I was too freaked out to try again anyway...
...but I've been there, so I'd never dream of saying anything against your friend. Sometimes even a game over is preferable to trying to win against your circumstances...

Whoever it was that did this to her should burn.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Syna on December 26, 2011, 03:15:17 am
I hate that monsters caused my friend so much pain that she felt that the only way to escape her torment was to take her own life.

(And if anyone has the utter gall to say "wow what a coward" or insult my friend in any way then fuck you.)

I am, too.

I'm fortunate in that nobody I know has committed suicide, but I once saw a man jump off a parking garage. When I looked up articles about it later, the comments absolutely revolted me -- all these people trying to politicize it ("the economy made him do it!"), or saying good riddance to someone who didn't want to be here anyway, or talking about what an awful, callous person he was to leave his family behind. As if they could possibly understand the reasons someone would have to look down the height of a building and jump...

I wouldn't presume to know those reasons, either, but he must have had monsters, as well.

I'm so sorry for your friend.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on December 27, 2011, 01:58:07 pm
I really abhor how people treat sociopaths, autistic-bound, and others similar... Self-sustenance theory, yes, but devastation resulting from paranoia and mental difference... it's freakin' revolting. In the end, it's the very behavior of the so called "normal people" that really drives someone innocent towards insanity.

Inspired by this post, (http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php/topic,7769.msg212660.html#msg212660) this New Year, I ask for light to those struck by misfortune: orphans, poverty-bound, handicapped, sociopaths, miserable, and every victim of misfortune created by humanity and fate alike.

I'm sorry, but I just need to ask: am I the only one in the world to actually sympathize and empathize with sociopaths?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Truthordeal on December 27, 2011, 10:25:10 pm
I'm sorry, but I just need to ask: am I the only one in the world to actually sympathize and empathize with sociopaths?

Probably not, but for my two cents I have to say I do not do either of those for sociopaths that end up causing harm to others.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on December 27, 2011, 10:30:14 pm
I'm sorry, but I just need to ask: am I the only one in the world to actually sympathize and empathize with sociopaths?

Hopefully. Sociopaths are incapable of the sympathy and empathy you have, which is what allows them to be so callously destructive to those they interact with. A person that is able to understand ethics but is unable to value being ethical...that's a damn good definition for an evil person.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on December 27, 2011, 11:16:10 pm
(I would like to think that) relatively few of us have the experience of being victimized by sociopaths. Seeing it only second-hand, I agree with RD's assessment, pending any wiggle room for what a "sociopath" might be exactly. It seems like such an ill-defined, wide ranging, and flexible term to me. But that may be because I haven't learned enough about how it's commonly applied by psychologists yet.

If we're talking Cho Seung Hui, Jeffrey Dahmer, etc., I think it's a worthwhile thing to try and investigate the motives and developmental histories of these individuals so we can identify warning signs and stage an intervention before people like them do something they ought not to in the future. I met one of Cho Seung Hui's victims just a couple months before she died, and I can't deny an obsession with learning more about how the heck that could have happened. This is different from empathy or sympathy with the perpetrator though; the interest is nothing more than clinical. For those of us who are merely aware these things happen, our sympathy and empathy belong with the victims. I think that is as it should be. That's no failure of society; our failure as I see it is not being properly vigilant for the warning signs. Furthermore, I believe this fault is tied to our mass media's habit of dropping subjects before they're fully explored.

For myself, I'll say this: anyone who's been victimized by a sociopath is in a dark place I can never go. I can't scratch it, can't hope to fully understand it. That understanding, too, is something I owe victims. That said, from my naive perspective, I can accept that different victims may have different healing responses to the experience, if it can be said that healing is possible at all. Whatever path they need is worth supporting, no matter how lonely that path may be.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on December 27, 2011, 11:57:15 pm
I'm sorry, but I just need to ask: am I the only one in the world to actually sympathize and empathize with sociopaths?

No, you aren't.  A lot of people find them enticing and even romantic.

Many sociopaths actually want people to sympathize and empathize with them, because people who supply sociopaths with sympathy and empathy are easier to manipulative, deceive, and exploit.

They certainly do not receive any kind of understanding from me.  Having been a victim of one, I learned quickly that people with ASPD need to be treated extremely cautiously or avoided altogether by those of us who have a moral compass and the ability to care for other people.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Syna on December 28, 2011, 01:42:50 am
I don't think anyone can be faulted for wanting to understand how sociopaths work, but I think "sympathize" and "empathize" are dangerous concepts. We must walk a line between trying to understand and never underestimating how much we don't understand. Do you really know what it's like to be that disconnected from people, that fundamentally, deeply, it's-in-your-wiring disconnected? I think it would take an immense, concentrated, sustained effort from someone with an ability to empathize and sympathize within the normal parameters... I don't honestly know if it's possible.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on December 28, 2011, 06:00:10 am
If we're talking Cho Seung Hui, Jeffrey Dahmer, etc., I think it's a worthwhile thing to try and investigate the motives and developmental histories of these individuals so we can identify warning signs and stage an intervention before people like them do something they ought not to in the future. I met one of Cho Seung Hui's victims just a couple months before she died, and I can't deny an obsession with learning more about how the heck that could have happened. This is different from empathy or sympathy with the perpetrator though; the interest is nothing more than clinical.

I don't think anyone can be faulted for wanting to understand how sociopaths work

Agreed.  Many people find the concept fascinating ("how can someone not feel any kind of empathy toward their fellow humans?"), and there is nothing wrong with doing research on the psychology behind sociopaths or psychopaths.  A thirst for knowledge is healthy.

I've done extensive research on ASPD (anti-social personality disorder).  The disorder is very interesting and extremely unnerving.  I'm no expert on sociopathy or psychopathy, but I'd wager I know more than most--having known two people with ASPD, and spending many years of my life reading on what could have made them that way.

I also resent how you (tushantin) group sociopaths with those with autism, the impoverished, the orphaned, and the handicapped.  Those people do not have a proclivity to harm others and they have the ability to care for others, unlike sociopaths.

I don't know how much research of your own you've done, but ASPD is not caused by paranoia, so I don't understand what you meant by your first sentence.  And although there are medical studies that show that many sociopaths were not born that way, that still does not fit into your "normal people drove them into insanity" assertion.  Abusive or neglectful parents are not "normal people"--they have deep-seated issues of their own.

It is unfortunate that crappy childhoods resulted in people developing ASPD, but that does not excuse the actions that many of them commit.  They have the ability to distinguish right from wrong, and yet do wrong anyway.  No kind of misfortune is an excuse for that.  They are not victims.  They willingly commit crimes.  They willingly harm people and don't even care because they cannot feel anything for the person they are hurting.  I had a really shitty childhood and adolescence too, but I would never use it as a crutch to hurt people.

And please do not forget that it's commonly accepted that psychopaths are born that way, and not made.  I don't know if you're using "sociopath" and "psychopath" interchangeably, but if you are, then keep that in mind.  They were not born into misfortune.  Humanity did not make them unfeeling, manipulative, cruel people--they were born that way.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on December 28, 2011, 06:18:57 am
Heh, it's amazing how people think that people who are born "Psychopaths" and "Sociopaths" are born monsters. Seriously? Have superficial TV shows such as "Dexter" and the like really put such a bad connotation to the terms? (Though, not to undermine Saj's own research and experience, but I beg to differ)

I don't think I can bring myself to respond to Saj yet, considering that response may be somewhat related to the post in "Violence thread". Though, FaustWolf, I'll respond to your post soon.

Do you really know what it's like to be that disconnected from people, that fundamentally, deeply, it's-in-your-wiring disconnected?
By about 65%, I do, based on my own association with such a child (a psychopath, not a sociopath) a few years back. I helped nurture the child despite the psychological differences and helped train his intelligence chain and predatory tendencies to make up for the lack of ethics (I wasn't the only one to do so, however; secondly, I don't think he'd even require a moral compass for his abilities and trade in the first place -- I wish I could explain that in-depth here). Today, the child does wonders at his trade.

But unfortunately, some of his school-mates got the wind of what he is and have now begun treating him like he's some kind of an animal. Some kind of a monster. Such treatment towards a "normal person" would drive that person insane; but when a "sociopath" freaks out, it's apparently entirely his fault. And I worry about this social-circle instability.

Hopefully. Sociopaths are incapable of the sympathy and empathy you have, which is what allows them to be so callously destructive to those they interact with. A person that is able to understand ethics but is unable to value being ethical...that's a damn good definition for an evil person.
I agree with your statement there, but not how you apply it. No offence, but this is exactly the kind of attitude I mentioned disliking in my previous post... Evil; really?

Firstly, with all due respect, I'd like to ask you: do you honestly believe that they have a choice in the matter? Or may they be much like the homosexuals and hence do not?

Sociopaths can be incredibly impulsive and fearless about their decisions, usually (though not always) lacking the capability of long-term perspectives, but that isn't a reason to discriminate against them. Compared to Psychopaths, their resulting nature does not always stem from mental deficiencies; usually, social circumstances have a major role to play.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on December 28, 2011, 06:56:32 am
Heh, it's amazing how people think that people who are born "Psychopaths" and "Sociopaths" are born monsters. Seriously? Have superficial TV shows such as "Dexter" and the like really put such a bad connotation to the terms? (Though, not to undermine Saj's own research and experience, but I beg to differ)

No one called them monsters.  We have only pointed out their tendency to manipulate, hurt, and prey on other people.

I helped nurture the child despite the psychological differences and helped train his intelligence chain and predatory tendencies to make up for the lack of ethics (I wasn't the only one to do so, however; secondly, I don't think he'd even require a moral compass for his abilities and trade in the first place -- I wish I could explain that in-depth here). Today, the child does wonders at his trade.

Perhaps I am misunderstanding you, but why would you "train his predatory tendencies" ?  Why would you encourage that?  For what trade is predatory tendencies needed?

But unfortunately, some of his school-mates got the wind of what he is and have now begun treating him like he's some kind of an animal. Some kind of a monster. Such treatment towards a "normal person" would drive that person insane; but when a "sociopath" freaks out, it's apparently entirely his fault.

If this child is freaking out about how his schoolmates view him, then what makes you believe he is a sociopath?

Firstly, with all due respect, I'd like to ask you: do you honestly believe that they have a choice in the matter? Or may they be much like the homosexuals and hence do not?

Do they have a choice to have ASPD?  No.  Do they have a choice to commit crime or acts of cruelty upon other people?  Yes.

Personally, I do not believe everyone with ASPD is, by nature, a "bad person".  Some of them go throughout their entire lives without committing a single crime.  But you cannot deny their natural proclivity to manipulate others.  And although I have never met a sociopath who didn't act on those urges, I'm sure there are some who do not.  So no, being a sociopath does not automatically make you a bad person.  It should, however, warrant some caution when interacting with them.

(Jesus fucking christ I can't believe I'm defending sociopaths.)

As a final note, if your response to me is going to be anything like the post you wrote in the violence thread, then perhaps you should keep it to yourself, or run it by someone first to make sure it doesn't provoke a similar response.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on December 28, 2011, 07:03:23 am
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or run it by someone first

Yes, this strikes me as an excellent idea.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on December 28, 2011, 09:01:15 am
(Jesus fucking christ I can't believe I'm defending sociopaths.)
Then just forget about it; I no longer find myself interested in discussing this further. All in all, however, thank you for your honest perspective, as it means a lot to me.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Truthordeal on December 28, 2011, 03:29:37 pm
tushantin, from what I can tell, I think your heart is in the right place. You want there to be more that society can do for sociopaths, and you dislike the negative perception they automatically get. Unfortunately wanting something to occur does not make it so. We're still years away from any type of breakthrough in therapy or psychology that could effectively treat sociopathy, if any exists. It's not fair that people are born into a disorder that makes them a textbook example of "evil," but such is the world, and nature doesn't care about our wishes for reform.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on December 28, 2011, 07:46:59 pm
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I agree with your statement there, but not how you apply it. No offence, but this is exactly the kind of attitude I mentioned disliking in my previous post... Evil; really?

Really. An individual who understands ethics, but has a pattern of deliberately ignoring ethics in the cause of mistreating others is evil. I don't find anything controversial about that statement. If you think you have a better definition, you're welcome to offer it.

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Firstly, with all due respect, I'd like to ask you: do you honestly believe that they have a choice in the matter? Or may they be much like the homosexuals and hence do not?

I anticipated that this would be your main line of objection, although I am disappointed in how you chose to phrase it. Let me first address the substance of your complaint.

I don't think that anyone chooses to be a sociopath. I have no reason to believe that it is possible as a choice, nor can I think of any reason why an individual would chose it. The life of a sociopath is only appealing to an individual who is already completely devoid of ethics. I understand what you're trying to imply here, that one ought not to condemn individuals for things which they did not chose. There's a fair point in that, but it's irrelevant in this case. As Saj mentions, sociopaths are equally capable of choosing to behave ethically as normal people. In fact, sociopaths can be some of the most charming and social people you'll meet. They aren't stupid; they understand the actions of their consequences (they understand ethics after all) and generally don't behave in a destructive fashion when doing so will cause greater harm to befall themselves. And in those moments, if you don't know who you're dealing with, it's easy to assume that they're being sincere. This is a front though; it isn't kindness, it is calculated manipulation. We have a phrase in America, "Setting someone up for a fall." This means you treat them very well to boost them in some way for a while, so that when you eventually betray them, the loss will be that much greater. That is the best behavior of a sociopath. Thus, I do not find the absence of choice in becoming a sociopath a compelling cause for compassion on my part- the harm done by sociopaths is just as much a choice as the harm done by non-sociopaths.

As for your picking homosexuals as a group for comparison, that was a quite offensive choice. I believe I understand your logic but if this is so, you have incorrectly grasped mine. My support for treating homosexuals indistinctly from heterosexuals does not result from the fact that I don't think anyone chooses their orientation. It results from the trivially obvious fact that homosexuals are ethically indistinct from heterosexuals. Comparing people who are made to suffer by society because they love people the prevailing culture would rather they didn't to people who cause individuals to suffer because they themselves are incapable of love denigrates the former in a way I sincerely hope was not apparent to you.

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Sociopaths can be incredibly impulsive and fearless about their decisions, usually (though not always) lacking the capability of long-term perspectives, but that isn't a reason to discriminate against them. Compared to Psychopaths, their resulting nature does not always stem from mental deficiencies; usually, social circumstances have a major role to play.

I have never claimed sociopaths are stupid. If only they were! Someone who is unintelligent is much less capable of manipulation than someone with a strong intellect, and capable of a much smaller scope of harm should they succeed. Sadly, sociopaths are frequently of above average intelligence, which makes them all the more dangerous, and all the more ethically responsible for their actions. The only mental deficiency they posses is the inability to empathize with their fellow living beings. I do not discriminate against sociopaths for any of the reasons you list; I mentioned my reasons in my initial post on the topic.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on December 29, 2011, 04:05:13 am
(Jesus fucking christ I can't believe I'm defending sociopaths.)
Then just forget about it; I no longer find myself interested in discussing this further. All in all, however, thank you for your honest perspective, as it means a lot to me.

I don't know if you'll reply and maybe I shouldn't even post this, but I can only assume you quoted that segment because it upset you and / or further convinced you that those of us who don't have ASPD view those who do unfairly.

But ask yourself this--do you honestly expect me to react differently?  You know some of the things I've been through--how the hell am I supposed to react in any other way?  How the hell am I supposed to WANT to defend them?  People with this disorder have brought me and those I care about nothing but fear and destruction and danger.

When a sociopath threatens to murder your eight-year-old brother if you don't do what he says, you learn not to fucking trust, respect, or have any feelings of decency toward sociopaths.  When you witness a sociopath committing unspeakable acts of cruelty with the same emotional detachment as doing laundry, you learn not to fucking trust, respect, or have any feelings of decency toward sociopaths.

I would think long and hard before you respond.

Related:  I'm sick of people getting all upset when I express fear or anger against X group of people.  Men, sociopaths, the super-religious, etc.  I am instinctively afraid of them and I do not trust them.  And it's fucking justified.  Until those individuals prove to me that they are worth trusting, I do not trust them.  Except for sociopaths--I don't want to be around one of those people ever again.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on December 29, 2011, 04:23:12 am
But ask yourself this--do you honestly expect me to react differently?  You know some of the things I've been through--how the hell am I supposed to react in any other way?  How the hell am I supposed to WANT to defend them?  People with this disorder have brought me and those I care about nothing but fear and destruction and danger.

...you learn not to fucking trust, respect, or have any feelings of decency toward sociopaths.
I actually anticipated your response, so no, I didn't expect you to react differently.

In any case, your fear and reaction is valid. I understand how it may sicken you, so let's just drop the subject.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on December 29, 2011, 04:33:55 am
Well, I do apologize for being more vitriolic than I should have been.

ON TOPIC:

Sometimes I hate being a writer.  It is so frustrating to attempt to write something that you see so vividly in your head, and yet fail miserably.  I am a perfectionist when it comes to my writing, and that results in a lot of frustration and irritation.  I have the entire short story I'm working on in my head, but putting it in words is a monumental task.

Edit:: never mind, I'm dumb.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on December 29, 2011, 04:38:02 am
Sometimes I hate being a writer.  It is so frustrating to attempt to write something that you see so vividly in your head, and yet fail miserably.  I am a perfectionist when it comes to my writing, and that results in a lot of frustration and irritation.  I have the entire short story I'm working on in my head, but putting it in words is a monumental task.

Also (and this is more of a frustration), it says "vitrolic" is a typo.  Psssht.
XD Vitriolic. I before O. Io?

Hah, as the allegorical poet in me always says: "If you can't write or speak, then SING!"
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on December 29, 2011, 04:42:26 am
XD Vitriolic. I before O. Io?

Yeeaaaaaaaah, totally misspelled that word.  :oops:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on December 30, 2011, 04:32:54 pm
Hmm, something I feared since past 5 years ago finally surfaces...

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One area of scientific agreement is that believing in free will is beneficial for society and individuals. Psychological research shows those primed to believe in determinism are more likely to cheat in exams, and refuse giving money to charity.

“If we eventually discover that we don’t have free will, the news will come out and we can predict that people’s behaviour will get worse as a consequence,” says Mele. “We should have plans in place for how to deal with that news.”

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Offering topical advice for New Year’s resolvers, he argues that you shouldn’t set yourself too many goals. Rather, establish good habits (give your moral muscle a regular workout), and commit yourself publicly to your targets.

And even if free will is an illusion, Baumeister and other psychologists suggest that it is one worth believing in – for all our sakes.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on January 01, 2012, 03:18:41 pm
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_we-do-not-want-hazare-to-sit-on-fast-anymore-team-anna_1632291

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Anna-Hazares-supporters-pray-for-his-health-at-Rajghat-Narendra-Modi-wishes-him-speedy-recovery/articleshow/11328070.cms

Meanwhile, the corrupt mooks in the government are chuckling to themselves. "What Lokpal bill?" they say.


http://www.hindustantimes.com/Specials/Coverage/Assembly-Elections-2012/Chunk-HT-UI-AssemblyElections2012-UP-TopStories/Lokpal-is-dream-of-every-youth-not-just-mine-Rahul/SP-Article10-789235.aspx
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on January 08, 2012, 11:09:07 pm
So, apparently...

...I'm not going to Australia.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Katie Skyye on January 10, 2012, 10:38:44 pm
I hate the way people react when I say I want to visit Japan.

It's like they think I want to go simply because it's Japan, the center of nerdy culture, or because "Japan is cool" or for any other reason than the reasons I actually want to go. I've had people try to dissuade me, with reasons ranging from "the weather sucks" to "Japanese don't want you there." Some of them know people who have been, and complain about terribad Tokyo traffic and how humid it is in summer. It's like they think I have this life goal of visiting Japan and they have to make sure I understand that there is more to life than Japan. Or that I don't know what I'm getting into if I travel there, despite the fact that I've done a pretty decent amount of reading up on what travel there is like.

Seriously, I want to visit Japan. I don't want to live there, and I don't ONLY want to visit Japan.

I have traveled a lot in my short life. I've been to England, France, Germany, Italy, Bali, New Zealand, all over the US of A, Canada, and a few more places I'm forgetting, and my mom has been to all of those and more, like Spain, Morocco, Egypt, Panama, and more I'm sure, because she sailed as a merchant marine for over 20 years.

Most of those places, I visited before I turned seven. I barely remember them. I want to go back to them all someday, and if things in Africa/the Middle East ever calm down again, I want to check out THOSE places, too! And all the other places I haven't been, one of which is Japan.

I want to go there because I want to go ALL of the places! All the places worth visiting, anyway! And there are a lot!

Also I want an authentic katana to add to my sword collection, so traveling to Japan will prolly have to wait until I have enough money to afford one and ship it back home. n_n'
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on January 11, 2012, 01:08:10 pm
I hate the way people react when I say I want to visit Japan.

It's like they think I want to go simply because it's Japan, the center of nerdy culture, or because "Japan is cool" or for any other reason than the reasons I actually want to go. I've had people try to dissuade me, with reasons ranging from "the weather sucks" to "Japanese don't want you there." Some of them know people who have been, and complain about terribad Tokyo traffic and how humid it is in summer. It's like they think I have this life goal of visiting Japan and they have to make sure I understand that there is more to life than Japan. Or that I don't know what I'm getting into if I travel there, despite the fact that I've done a pretty decent amount of reading up on what travel there is like.

Seriously, I want to visit Japan. I don't want to live there, and I don't ONLY want to visit Japan.

I have traveled a lot in my short life. I've been to England, France, Germany, Italy, Bali, New Zealand, all over the US of A, Canada, and a few more places I'm forgetting, and my mom has been to all of those and more, like Spain, Morocco, Egypt, Panama, and more I'm sure, because she sailed as a merchant marine for over 20 years.

Most of those places, I visited before I turned seven. I barely remember them. I want to go back to them all someday, and if things in Africa/the Middle East ever calm down again, I want to check out THOSE places, too! And all the other places I haven't been, one of which is Japan.

I want to go there because I want to go ALL of the places! All the places worth visiting, anyway! And there are a lot!

Also I want an authentic katana to add to my sword collection, so traveling to Japan will prolly have to wait until I have enough money to afford one and ship it back home. n_n'

When you talk about going to Japan, do you tell people about your wanderlust and your history of travel, or do you tell them that you want to buy a katana while you're there?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Katie Skyye on January 11, 2012, 03:11:53 pm
Well, most of my friends know very well that I'm working on a sword collection, and that has literally only come up ONCE, so it's not like I'm going around all "YAY KATANA."

And I usually just add it as an aside...I don't feel like I should have to explain my reasoning every time it comes up. I have talked about wanting to go to other places, and no one has reacted as negatively as when I mention travel to Japan.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on January 11, 2012, 07:32:06 pm
To be honest I don't blame people (especially Japanese people) for being skeptical of others who express interest in going to Japan, because Japanese culture has become so fetishized and appropriated.  It's the rare person who wants to visit Japan because they love traveling.  Most people I know who want to visit Japan are all "ooh anime and manga and samurai and video games and geisha and cool swords and Tokyo street fashion and ball-jointed dolls ooh ooh kawaii desu" etc. etc. etc.

It was similar to when I lived in Scotland and Americans would come over and say shit like "Oh I feel like I just BELONG here because my great-great-fucking whatever grandmother was Scottish and Scotland is my TRUE HOME I'm going to buy a kilt in a tartan that's for the completely wrong clan".  The Scots couldn't stand that.

Americans get cultures in a can.  They get anime and gothic lolita dresses, and kilts and celtic knots and "sexy accents", and so many of them think that's all there is to it.  I'm not Scottish, but I lived there long enough to know that it's fucking annoying when people visit your country because they've fetishized it and think your culture (or what they perceive to be your culture) is just so "cool" and "oh I'm Scottish too och aye ye wee laddie".

I'm all for traveling and experiencing new cultures, and if people want to visit Japan because they think it's so ~sugoi~ that's their choice.  But appropriating a culture and condensing it to random cool shit that you like is disrespectful, and most people I know who want to go to Japan want to go for those exact reasons.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Truthordeal on January 11, 2012, 09:37:50 pm
Thanks Saj. I wrote a reply to Katie earlier today saying I would be skeptical of her saying that at first as well, but everything I typed came across more harsh or offensive than I would've liked, so I gave up after an hour. I don't think it was anything incredibly insensiitve, but the word "weeaboo" came up a few times and I'm pretty sure I'd have pissed someone off.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on January 11, 2012, 09:58:26 pm
It's such a shame that so many people fangirl over Japan, because then it's assumed that those who do love traveling and want to visit Japan for reasons completely unrelated to hobbies are just fangirls and fanboys.  Of course, it's ten times more annoying to Japanese people when their culture is so stereotyped.

I've been to Japan twice (not counting times I've just been through the Narita airport, because that doesn't count).  It's a nice country and the people are very polite and I liked the food...but it's just another country.  There are just as many unique and fascinating things about, say, Papau New Guinea as there are in Japan.  I can't stand it when people act like Japan is the centre of the universe, or the best country in the world, or both.

Even worse are people who expect to be welcomed with open arms in Japan just because they love Japanese pop culture.  Yeeaaahh...no.  I know this girl who loves Harry Potter, Shakespeare, the Beatles, Jane Austen, etc. and is naive enough to think that her dream of moving to England consists of English people completely accepting her just because she likes a few English things.  Yeah, that's not how it works.  You can live in another country for years and still be seen as a foreigner.  I mean fuck, that's how a lot of people view immigrants in the US.  A lot of people still see second or third generation Latino or Malay or Ugandan families as "foreigners".  Why do so many Japanese-stuff obsessed Americans assume it'll be any different for them?

Oooohhhh I could rant about stuff like this for ages.

This has been a TCK rant.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Katie Skyye on January 12, 2012, 10:12:56 pm
It's the rare person who wants to visit Japan because they love traveling.  Most people I know who want to visit Japan are all "ooh anime and manga and samurai and video games and geisha and cool swords and Tokyo street fashion and ball-jointed dolls ooh ooh kawaii desu" etc. etc. etc.

Well, I mean, that's part of it. I wouldn't go if I didn't think it was interesting! I like the architecture and want to visit temples and look at Tokyo street fashion because I love clothing design (in general, not just Japanese) and I happen to like Loita clothing but I'd rather design my own thank you and I LOVE sushi! Also hot springs! And hopefully festivals! But I'm not all HERPDERP I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT JAPAN IS LIKE EXCEPT WHAT I READ IN THE ANIMES TIEM TO TRAVUL LOLS VIDEO GAMES
I want to go different places for different reasons, after all.
I want to go to England mainly because I want to see Stonehenge and because I've been there but all I can remember is walking down a cobblestone street when it was overcast and really fucking windy.
And Venice was so damn awesome. I want to go back because ahhh it was sooo coool and I want to see more of Italy, like Rome, and Florence...and eat delicious foood~
To be honest, there are a few countries I want to go to just because OMG THIS COUNTRY KAWAII DESU, to put it one way. I mean, I just want to visit Australia because come on, it's Australia!
And there are plenty of places that are cool that I don't really want to visit. I like Russian accents and that colorful church is awesome but I don't want to travel there! >_< Not to mention most of Africa because it's dangerous as hell right now! (though really pretty ;w; )
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on January 12, 2012, 10:29:46 pm
Why do so many Japanese-stuff obsessed Americans assume it'll be any different for them?

It's 'cause we're Americans; who doesn't love us? With our apple pies, our Barny Stinsons, freedoms (don't forget, every other country is comprised entirely of serfs), and size (I mean really, who wouldn't be jealous of our length and girth?), it is entirely understandable that people would assume that other countries are just waiting with William-Bate'd breath for our awesomeness to arrive.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: xcalibur on January 13, 2012, 02:08:17 am
to make an analogy with fetishizing and canning cultures:

It would be like someone who never played through Chrono Trigger, and only saw other people play parts of it, posting here like "LOL HEY GUIZE im gods gift to your forum because I think that guy with the spiky red hair is way cool lolz! Lavos is a big bad porcupine!". Then they'd mention their groundbreaking theory that Zeal might have something to do with Atlantis.

I'm sort of exaggerating, but I think the analogy works. Clearly there's a lot of depth to the plot and content, which is what brought us here. And I'd think Compendiumites would be irked if someone came along with a very superficial view and experience of the game and expected to be congratulated for it.

Nations and civilizations are even more complex and deep-rooted. Visiting out of superficial interest and expecting that to make you a full-fledged member of that culture is misguided at best, and arrogant/disrespectful at worst.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Katie Skyye on January 13, 2012, 01:11:33 pm
Visiting out of superficial interest and expecting that to make you a full-fledged member of that culture is misguided at best, and arrogant/disrespectful at worst.

Well, all I really want is to visit and be a tourist for a while, when it comes right down to it. Like I said earlier, I'm not interested in living there, and I have zero desire to be Japanese (though someone quipped that "You'd fit in there just fine...because you're short." SIIIGH~).

That analogy was pretty good, though. XD
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: xcalibur on January 13, 2012, 02:09:49 pm
Visiting out of superficial interest and expecting that to make you a full-fledged member of that culture is misguided at best, and arrogant/disrespectful at worst.

Well, all I really want is to visit and be a tourist for a while, when it comes right down to it. Like I said earlier, I'm not interested in living there, and I have zero desire to be Japanese (though someone quipped that "You'd fit in there just fine...because you're short." SIIIGH~).

That analogy was pretty good, though. XD

lol, thanks.

and I wasn't directing that at you, I was just responding to the topic in general. there's nothing wrong with tourism in and of itself.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on January 14, 2012, 01:45:46 am
There's nothing wrong for wanting to share a portion of another culture because of a common interest. If it's anime that makes you like Japanese, bull-fighting that draws you to Spain, or effing Flight of the Conchords that makes me like New Zealand, so what? That's the beautiful thing that makes the world so great - we can share these little things. There's nothing wrong, nothing misguided, nothing elitist to identify with a culture based upon a common ground. Because frankly, the anime culture is a subculture of Japan and can exist elsewhere. Bull-fighting is a subculture of Spain and can exist elsewhere. So on and so forth. No culture is a single entity comprised of simple values and concepts. Take a look around you - how many cultures do you see around you?

For those of you who have traveled and lived overseas, what's the first thing someone does when they find out you're an American? They identify with you on some level. I spent a year in Europe and most of the time when they found out I was American they identified with me by telling me something they loved that was American. Whether it was a band, or a television show, etc.

And you know what? There's an American subculture that loves Japanese anime. There's an equally large Japanese subculture that loves American westerns. Seven Samurai = designed to be a Japanese western equivalent.

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Americans get cultures in a can.

You're a world traveler, Saj, are you not? Surely you see that this exists everywhere. This isn't isolated to the US. Don't villify this as an "American" concept, because it's not.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on January 14, 2012, 03:03:12 am
You're a world traveler, Saj, are you not? Surely you see that this exists everywhere. This isn't isolated to the US. Don't villify this as an "American" concept, because it's not.

Yes, I know it exists everywhere.  I wasn't vilifying anything American, nor did I say it was an American thing only.  I was referring to America throughout my posts because I was responding to Americans.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on January 14, 2012, 10:33:25 am
Okay, good. Just wanted to make sure. :)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Truthordeal on January 14, 2012, 11:30:01 am
"Hey, you're English! I heard you people like dry, dark comedy with a lot of sarcasm. I bet we can share some jokes later."

"Hey, you're English! I will now quote Monty Python incessantly at you, because that is all your culture consists of."

^One of those I dislike, the other's ok.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Katie Skyye on January 14, 2012, 12:02:47 pm
Seven Samurai = designed to be a Japanese western equivalent.

And then they made The Magnificent Seven, which WAS a western, based on it! XD
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on January 15, 2012, 12:58:04 am
"Hey, you're English! I heard you people like dry, dark comedy with a lot of sarcasm. I bet we can share some jokes later."

"Hey, you're English! I will now quote Monty Python incessantly at you, because that is all your culture consists of."

^One of those I dislike, the other's ok.
I actually dislike them both, considering some of my best mates are English, and I've found myself become a part of their culture.  :|

...why not Doctor Who (and Sherlock Holmes)?

Aww man, I'm so behind these discussions! Allow me to pretend to follow them closely and give a wise response:

*ahem* Yeah, Boo's right. New Zealand makes awesome French Fries. (New Zeal Land?)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Truthordeal on January 15, 2012, 10:50:55 am
"Hey, you're English! I heard you people like dry, dark comedy with a lot of sarcasm. I bet we can share some jokes later."

"Hey, you're English! I will now quote Monty Python incessantly at you, because that is all your culture consists of."

^One of those I dislike, the other's ok.
I actually dislike them both, considering some of my best mates are English, and I've found myself become a part of their culture.  :|

...why not Doctor Who (and Sherlock Holmes)?

Because I was talking about comedy, not science fiction or mystery. Believe it or not, some of us haven't read every Sherlock Holmes book and seen every adaptation, nor watch Doctor Who. My common ground with an Englishman(for example) would be comedy; stuff I have seen and can share some a commonality with.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on January 15, 2012, 11:23:08 am
"Hey, you're English! I heard you people like dry, dark comedy with a lot of sarcasm. I bet we can share some jokes later."

"Hey, you're English! I will now quote Monty Python incessantly at you, because that is all your culture consists of."

^One of those I dislike, the other's ok.
I actually dislike them both, considering some of my best mates are English, and I've found myself become a part of their culture.  :|

...why not Doctor Who (and Sherlock Holmes)?

Because I was talking about comedy, not science fiction or mystery. Believe it or not, some of us haven't read every Sherlock Holmes book and seen every adaptation, nor watch Doctor Who. My common ground with an Englishman(for example) would be comedy; stuff I have seen and can share some a commonality with.
Haven't read even one short-story of Sherlock? Are you kidding me? XD Go buy the "Hound of Baskervilles"!

I do understand what you're getting at, though. Albeit, if you ignore that second sentence of mine (which I added for humor), the frustration indicated from the first was due to the racist attitude towards the English / Scottish. A good Scottish friend of mine is an incredible violinist and artist, a master of Jiujitsu, knowledgeable and a very good-natured and humorous person; yet, he's often been a victim of racism, which usually includes "kilts", "bagpipes", "Haggis" and the imitation. Another English buddy is a professional Fencer, and he is often mocked THIS WAY (http://quickriposte.com/2011/12/06/the-squiggly-arm-move-and-three-other-things-you-shouldnt-do-when-meeting-a-fencer/). I guess it's probably my impatience with people judging people based on their pop-culture (or normal culture) with biased perspective, so I hope you do pardon me on that.

On the other hand, London's quite big on Sherlock Holmes (they even have a museum there)! Even if you haven't read or seen Sherlock, you're bound to know the name and the meaning behind the name. The character is legendary and iconic, hence the consideration. XD (I doubt you'll find a bigger Sherlock-buff than me, though)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on January 15, 2012, 11:48:00 am
Americans get cultures in a can.  They get anime and gothic lolita dresses, and kilts and celtic knots and "sexy accents", and so many of them think that's all there is to it.  I'm not Scottish, but I lived there long enough to know that it's fucking annoying when people visit your country because they've fetishized it and think your culture (or what they perceive to be your culture) is just so "cool" and "oh I'm Scottish too och aye ye wee laddie".
Hah, you quite correct on that. I remember a Christian friend (and a die-hard lover of multi-culture) who often lamented on American commercialization on "cultural entities" in ways that warps the perception of what a culture is to begin with. He also once ranted about how some Americans (in this case, Perry and Brand) want to have a Hindu Wedding because it's apparently "cool", then give the culture a shoe once the novelty wears off. "But are they even aware of what Hinduism stands for?" He cried. "Do they even know the philosophical essence behind the sacred fire? More importantly, do they even care?"

Nope; they don't. Ironically, this also reminds me of a close friend's rants regarding the New Age movement.

Usually the kind of backlash that Americans receive from these culturally rich countries is out of fear that... you know, the "compress it in a can" thing, hence making it lose value. A culture isn't toy; it's the collective minds throughout time in distant lands.

And because of this retraction people like Katie, who are genuinely interested, often get into bad terms to begin with. People have the tendency to see a few rotten apples and judge the whole basket, but only few have the capability to weed out the best cleverly. In other words, I encourage Katie to follow her heart here, because there's a lot of culture she can bask in.

I still have a lot more to read apparently (ah, shit, dyslexia...) Pardon my late responses.

*Yeah, I don't really mind when people have the desire to rant on me; in fact, I welcome it, and for various mutual understandings.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on January 15, 2012, 07:41:53 pm
On the other hand, London's quite big on Sherlock Holmes (they even have a museum there)! Even if you haven't read or seen Sherlock, you're bound to know the name and the meaning behind the name. The character is legendary and iconic, hence the consideration. XD (I doubt you'll find a bigger Sherlock-buff than me, though)

Not really.  They DO have a museum (which I've been to), but it's extremely touristy and was mainly built for tourists.  My parents' friends in London actually discouraged us from going there because it was expensive and a major tourist trap, but we went there anyway because I probably would have thrown a fit if we hadn't (I was ten at the time).  People in the UK were pretty ho-hum about Sherlock Holmes while I was living there.  Yeah, they have a museum in London, and there's a statue of Conan Doyle in Edinburgh, but other than that people didn't read the stories or know much about them.  Maybe that's changed now since the TV series and the movies have come out and made the stories super popular on a pop-culture level, but while I was in the UK they had about the same attitude as people in the US did about Sherlock Holmes pre-Robert Downey Jr. and BBC: "Oh yeah, Sherlock Holmes!  "Elementary, my dear Watson!"  Wait, what do you mean that was never in the stories?  No, I've never read the stories.  I once saw half of a show on "Hound of the Baskervilles", does that count?"  It was well-known, but in the same way that Dickens is well-known.  And I was a MAJOR Sherlock Holmes nut at the time, so if people had been super into the stories, I would've known.

But yeah, maybe that's changed since then since it's become a pop-culture thing.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on January 16, 2012, 05:31:30 am
XD You've no idea how much that post amused me, Saj.

Haha, pardon my ignorance then, since it's clear that I was misinformed. Mary almost always bragged about how there was a club nearby there filled with "Sherlock geeks" (she was doing her best to offend me there) and the nostalgia for tourists in London. Perhaps she meant something different from what I interpreted. Alas, the bane of an incomplete picture...

So you did go to the museum! How was it?  :D

P.S.: I was not happy with the ending of "Scandal in Belgravia".
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on January 16, 2012, 05:56:40 am
So you did go to the museum! How was it?  :D

It was...touristy.  And very expensive.  And a lot less interesting than I thought it would be.  But I was still super thrilled.

Here are some pictures!  (I'm the brown-haired kid with the glasses.)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/bittersunday/24.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/bittersunday/25.jpg)

I could barely contain my excitement.  XD
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on January 16, 2012, 07:30:10 am
Damn, every time I see those pics... so nostalgic!  :o Touristy indeed, but I'd still probably be quite excited about it (I want to sit on that chair and meditate like Holmes does -- while Holmes steeples his fingers to his face, I have my own similar habit involving a complex pattern, because it helps me think). I honestly wouldn't mind handing my wallet to them for the experience.

Do you mind if I said you look adorable in that hat? XD
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Syna on January 17, 2012, 08:39:11 pm
That is ridiculously cute.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on January 19, 2012, 01:24:58 pm
I've come to a decision lately.

This flirty rasgulla / teddy bear Tushantin who enjoys the company of girls... will no longer have any more girlfriends unless I find the worthy one, the right one*. Somehow I feel incredibly empty inside...

*Conditions Apply: I'll still be going on dates, but just as buddies.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: chi_z on January 22, 2012, 01:42:03 pm
not so sure about the 'the right one'. there's a lot of right ones out there for a person. all that's required is that you both try to become better individuals, that you 'turn inward' toward each other rather than turn inward toward yourself, and slowly start looking at things in terms of 'how does this help the relationship' rather than being self-oriented. the only key to happiness is to be yourself and observe what you deem an undesirable trait and attempt to change for the better, happiness is the easiest thing in the world you just have to decide to be happy and voila (assuming proper mental health that is). also, waking up each morning and saying 'well I'm no prize either' and being able to look past the little annoyances after the first 9 months-4 years wears into disillusionment.  (unless you are one of the few people who can remain totally infatuated forever).


For me, I have to wait a bit longer. I have no job, money, phone, car (or drivers license for that matter, me only form of id is a college badge). No way to support myself let alone others, so it'd be fruitless to search for anything more than a friend for at least another 1.75 years or so.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on January 22, 2012, 01:59:48 pm
Wow! That's quite an... erm, insightful post there! XD Albeit I'm not sure from what context you mean that. Rest assured, I'll keep em to mind. Except!

1) I am indeed being self-oriented here, because whenever I'm in a relationship I always make sure my partner(s) have a wonderful time, so of course it's fair that I think selfishly at least once a while.
2) I tend to get infatuated really easily, but I decide whether to follow with the feeling or not analytically (I'm insane that way).
3) My current "right one" is a vague mathematical / psychological conclusion of what kind of person I think might be right for me. Meaning, I'm clueless as of yet.
4) I get "happy" at the blink of an eye. XD I've found the secrets / meaning of life, after all.

Thanks for your insights, and I have something for you in return!

For me, I have to wait a bit longer. I have no job, money, phone, car (or drivers license for that matter, me only form of id is a college badge). No way to support myself let alone others, so it'd be fruitless to search for anything more than a friend for at least another 1.75 years or so.
Aye, never say no to love! Reject Lady Love now, and she will never again be comfortable to appear before you! Accept Love with open arms, and take that as an advantage to do all that is good. Who said you necessarily need to support someone? Love finds a way, matey, love finds a way!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on January 24, 2012, 04:28:36 am
I really suck at comic paneling. XD

What kind of an artist am I?! Oh, lord!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on February 06, 2012, 05:53:45 am
My lungs seem to be failing me...

Oh, Lord, at such a young age...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Katie Skyye on February 06, 2012, 12:51:13 pm
My lungs seem to be failing me...

Oh, Lord, at such a young age...

My lungs have always failed me. I could run and run forever at one point in my life, if I didn't get out of breath so quickly...even a brisk walk will have me coughing for most of the day.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Manly Man on February 06, 2012, 01:46:23 pm
Had to deal with a friend who was being a total asshole last night when he came home from watching the Super Bowl at a friend's place. Whether or not he was drunk is of little matter, it's that he pretty much went and ruined my night by being a jerkwad.

Freaking party crashers.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on February 06, 2012, 02:39:12 pm
My lungs seem to be failing me...

Oh, Lord, at such a young age...

My lungs have always failed me. I could run and run forever at one point in my life, if I didn't get out of breath so quickly...even a brisk walk will have me coughing for most of the day.
Are you sure it's your lungs? Because it sounds to me you're on low stamina. Although if you're sure, do visit your local clinic; it could be a bad news.

I can work out till I pass out, but these days my cough seems to get worse (and it doesn't matter if I'm working out or not). I went to many clinics, took their medicine, no effect (not to mention that I hate medicines; I don't even like lookin' at em). And now my breathing seems to have gotten heavier, but the itch in the lungs still there.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: ZeaLitY on February 06, 2012, 02:44:42 pm
http://www.debbiespenditnow.com/

Fucking racist political campaign. It's like the fucking yellow menace bullshit.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on February 06, 2012, 03:08:53 pm
http://www.debbiespenditnow.com/

Fucking racist political campaign. It's like the fucking yellow menace bullshit.
This is outrageous.....
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Katie Skyye on February 06, 2012, 05:04:27 pm
Are you sure it's your lungs? Because it sounds to me you're on low stamina. Although if you're sure, do visit your local clinic; it could be a bad news.

I can work out till I pass out, but these days my cough seems to get worse (and it doesn't matter if I'm working out or not). I went to many clinics, took their medicine, no effect (not to mention that I hate medicines; I don't even like lookin' at em). And now my breathing seems to have gotten heavier, but the itch in the lungs still there.

I'm pretty sure. I mean, I feel like it's both, probably, or that one directly leads to the other. Even when I was in sports and physically in great shape, I would get out of breath after one lap, and be wheezing after two around the track, but the rest of me--legs, back, arms, neck, etc, would feel fine. My legs could have kept going, but my throat and chest were on fire. And taking a walk--especially in cold weather, since it aggravates my throat--even just a mile, will leave me out of breath, and I'll prolly cough for most of the day, even if my throat doesn't hurt.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Katie Skyye on February 06, 2012, 05:07:57 pm
http://www.debbiespenditnow.com/

Fucking racist political campaign. It's like the fucking yellow menace bullshit.

I...don't have any idea what's going on. I'm at school, so I can't watch the video, and I can tell it's very insulting, but...

I dunno, could I get this in layman's terms, please?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: alfadorredux on February 06, 2012, 08:31:36 pm
I'm pretty sure. I mean, I feel like it's both, probably, or that one directly leads to the other. Even when I was in sports and physically in great shape, I would get out of breath after one lap, and be wheezing after two around the track, but the rest of me--legs, back, arms, neck, etc, would feel fine. My legs could have kept going, but my throat and chest were on fire. And taking a walk--especially in cold weather, since it aggravates my throat--even just a mile, will leave me out of breath, and I'll prolly cough for most of the day, even if my throat doesn't hurt.

Katie, I Am Just a Cat and Not a Physician, but that sounds a lot like exercise-induced asthma, which often goes completely undiagnosed. The thing about it being worse in cold weather especially rings a bell.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Katie Skyye on February 06, 2012, 09:02:31 pm
Huh. Well, it's never been so severe that I've hyperventilated/passed out/not been able to breathe, I just end up sounding like HHHHWHEEEE-HHHHHHHHOOO--HWWWWWEEEEH-WHHHHHHHHOO though it does hurt...I always just assumed that I got out of breath really fast...doesn't everyone's chest hurt when they're heaving for breath?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: alfadorredux on February 06, 2012, 10:17:05 pm
My understanding is that, for less severe asthma, coughing, wheezing, and shortness of breath are the major symptoms, so that pretty much fits.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Mr Bekkler on February 06, 2012, 11:01:26 pm
HHHHWHEEEE-HHHHHHHHOOO--HWWWWWEEEEH-WHHHHHHHHOO
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT5zR1qqTKIIZWODfGu8tXK81BB7WZkiKOdU-QU36On9MUv5v2f)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on February 07, 2012, 07:58:00 am
I Am Just a Cat and Not a Physician

I'm just a Cat, and not a Physician~
All I need is a stethoscope,
A moment that can irritate a Pope,
While I'm adorable and keen~


HHHHWHEEEE-HHHHHHHHOOO--HWWWWWEEEEH-WHHHHHHHHOO
AVALANCHE! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES, MATEYS!!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Katie Skyye on February 07, 2012, 04:36:28 pm
O_O Well, okay then! I'm glad it's not severe. ._.
Hmm, my mom presented a related theory: When I was really little, I had scarlet fever (not sure if that's what it was, I had a lot of things when I was little, before I got my tonsils out--may have been whooping cough, which I had several times) and my lungs swelled up, and the doctors said it might hamper my heart and lung development if I kept getting sick, so they took my tonsils out and I pretty much never got sick again, but maybe there was a bit of lasting damage from that?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on February 07, 2012, 05:54:58 pm
...but maybe there was a bit of lasting damage from that?
Indeed! Hence why I implore, get a check up, lass! Anything that hinders your health from living fully requires attention. Anything that has a small possibility of danger requires attention!

How will you ever protect Red from hidden ninjas if you're coughing so bad?!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Katie Skyye on February 07, 2012, 08:19:54 pm
Well, checkups are expensive...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on February 08, 2012, 04:36:27 am
Well, checkups are expensive...
A $100 checkup* is insignificant when compared to million-dollars-worth health.  8)

(P.S.: I dunno how much checkups in the US cost; the $100 thing is something I'm assuming based on what I saw on TV as a kid; as for the "millions-worth-health", that's something my Grandpa used to tell me.)


EDIT:
People, I need a bit of clarification here. The more I seem to learn about the USA the more I find it stranger and crazy, sometimes quite awesome (making me wish I lived there) and sometimes devoid of any plausible sense (often making me happier for where I am). In either case, I always seek to confirm the information I here elsewhere because I don't take any information for granted, so I hope you forgive my curiosity.

If a child is bullied at schools and is seen developing strange changes in behaviour, is that the first thing a lot of parents do is put the children on depression medications? I hope someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Mr Bekkler on February 08, 2012, 09:55:11 am
If a child is bullied at schools and is seen developing strange changes in behaviour, is that the first thing a lot of parents do is put the children on depression medications? I hope someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

If they're clinically depressed, the doctor might prescribe them medication, but just being bullied and developing "strange" behavior (which is REALLY vague, btw) does not give a parent the right or the legal authority to give their kid medication without talking to a doctor, no.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on February 08, 2012, 12:02:05 pm
If a child is bullied at schools and is seen developing strange changes in behaviour, is that the first thing a lot of parents do is put the children on depression medications? I hope someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

If they're clinically depressed, the doctor might prescribe them medication, but just being bullied and developing "strange" behavior (which is REALLY vague, btw) does not give a parent the right or the legal authority to give their kid medication without talking to a doctor, no.
Ah, thanks for the clarification, and I'm glad that's the case. The way it was described to me, it seemed like anti-depressants were taken as commonly as aspirins / crocins which confused me. Unprescribed medication can be hazardous.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Mr Bekkler on February 08, 2012, 01:50:14 pm
Yeah, that isn't entirely untrue either because doctors have to judge based on what you tell them, and anyone who does the right research can fake symptoms and get a prescription for something like depression or other disorders. I can't imagine why one would want to, other than the obvious popularity of adderall and other ADD medications, or painkillers. I think some who take depression medication feel like they're less of a person because they depend on the chemical, but really that kind of thinking comes from the depression. I don't take medication regularly, personally speaking, but I've been diagnosed with a few "things" that I don't feel like elaborating on. Medication is not mandatory and sometimes doctors are wrong. Chances are if someone is taking antidepressants either they or their doctor (if not both) truly believe they need it to combat depression. I don't think anyone is fooled into thinking it will "make" them happy, but the right combination can provide a great deal of relief for those who are hurting. :)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Katie Skyye on February 11, 2012, 03:52:16 pm
AUGH IT HURTS TO BREATHE!




...I have a zit inside my nose. It's really, really uncomfortable and annoying.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on February 17, 2012, 03:45:50 pm
Ugh! I think something yet I seem to type something else. I seem to mispell every complex word on paper, yet my fingers remember the "pattern" of the spelling, hence typing faster than my mind can think (thank you, Dvorak). Yet, when I think "Hypersensitive" I keep typing "Hyperactive", and when I think "lexical" I type "concepts" instead. I think "I have been" but I always seem to type "I am cheese".

....

*prays Mr Rainbow Yeti to magic him out of his shoop-da-whoop-lexia*
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on February 19, 2012, 02:17:35 pm
XD

I'm no Michelangelo.

Discarded three paintings halfway just because I ruined them with mis-colors.

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeiiitt

And I ran out of Red. *stares at Katie's boyfriend, grabs his palette and palette knife*
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on March 05, 2012, 10:03:03 am
Was just called a slut during a debate by someone from my high school because I had sex before marriage (oh what scandal).

I can't stand fellow missionary kids.  99% of the time they are the worst of the worst.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: idioticidioms on March 05, 2012, 01:23:13 pm
ooooooo, I love when people have to resort to insults during a debate. It means they're running out of steam and have to try discrediting their opponent to invalidate what they're saying.

I really hate GERD.

and yeah, nose zits hurt like hell.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Mr Bekkler on March 05, 2012, 05:21:44 pm
ooooooo, I love when people have to resort to insults during a debate. It means they're running out of steam and have to try discrediting their opponent to invalidate what they're saying.

I don't know if this is supposed to be directed toward me, but I presented a clear argument, free of insults. I may not have thought your points were very good but I said nothing of your character.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kodokami on March 05, 2012, 05:56:43 pm
ooooooo, I love when people have to resort to insults during a debate. It means they're running out of steam and have to try discrediting their opponent to invalidate what they're saying.

I don't know if this is supposed to be directed toward me, but I presented a clear argument, free of insults. I may not have thought your points were very good but I said nothing of your character.

Unless you're talking about a different thread, I don't think idioticidioms directed that at you, Bekkler. Maybe at me, since he posted this right after replying to me, but I don't think I was being insulting...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Mr Bekkler on March 05, 2012, 06:24:12 pm
I don't think you were insulting either. Oh well, I just don't want anyone mad here due to misunderstandings if they can be prevented ;-)
I didn't even check the post time.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on March 05, 2012, 11:11:23 pm
I thought he was replying to my post about being called a slut during a debate.  0_0

~The world may never know the truth.~
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: idioticidioms on March 06, 2012, 03:15:44 am
and now I know that you're a defensive person. No, it was aimed at people in general.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on March 06, 2012, 04:59:36 am
and now I know that you're a defensive person. No, it was aimed at people in general.

He was not being defensive.  He was trying to understand what you meant and to prevent any misunderstanding.  That is not being defensive.

And now you are the one making character attacks by calling him a defensive person.  Neither Bekkler, nor Kodokami, were defensive.  There was no need for you to attack either of them.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on March 07, 2012, 09:20:15 am
~The world may never know the truth.~
THIS CALLS FOR A SEQUEL!  :o
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: chi_z on March 07, 2012, 06:35:31 pm
I hate when people get caught up on petty shit. starving people in africa, what the flerp is a higgs boson, is there a god, are we alone, yet most people get caught up in bickering and fussing and fighting about the stupidest things, it's extremely embarrassing to be a member of the same species as someone who wants to nitpick about every little thing you do, rather than worry about stuff that actually matters.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: alfadorredux on March 07, 2012, 07:35:31 pm
People argue about stupid crap because the stupid crap is something they feel they have some control over. The big things, by contrast, scare them shitless.

Humanity is a rather neurotic species, really.  :picardno
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on March 07, 2012, 09:26:08 pm
I hate when people get caught up on petty shit. starving people in africa, what the flerp is a higgs boson, is there a god, are we alone, yet most people get caught up in bickering and fussing and fighting about the stupidest things, it's extremely embarrassing to be a member of the same species as someone who wants to nitpick about every little thing you do, rather than worry about stuff that actually matters.

Isn't your post, in and of itself, being upset over petty shit?

Also, what are you doing about ending world hunger?  Because I've found that 99% of people who throw around the "starving people in Africa" line haven't actually done anything about it.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Synchronization on March 07, 2012, 10:08:31 pm
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Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on March 07, 2012, 10:26:23 pm
I understood what he meant.  I just find that sentiment incredibly amusing.  Not that people worry over little things too much because yeah, I agree.  But the "I'm irritated at people caring about petty things and so I'm going to make a post on a forum about how irritated I am."  To me it's kind of akin to someone posting a Facebook status that says "I hate it when people are passive-aggressive!  Stop it!  It's so annoying and no one cares!"

As an aside, I've heard people treat "arguing about stupid crap" and "being aware of the bigger issues in life" as being mutually exclusive, which is hilarious.  Everyone gets upset over petty rubbish.  Everyone.  Including people who actively care about social issues.  Fuck, just taking a look around this forum is enough to know that.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Mr Bekkler on March 07, 2012, 11:11:10 pm
Guilty :-)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on March 08, 2012, 01:23:35 am
I hate when people get caught up on petty shit. starving people in africa, what the flerp is a higgs boson, is there a god, are we alone, yet most people get caught up in bickering and fussing and fighting about the stupidest things, it's extremely embarrassing to be a member of the same species as someone who wants to nitpick about every little thing you do, rather than worry about stuff that actually matters.

Isn't your post, in and of itself, being upset over petty shit?
Ooh, paradox! I love paradoxes!

Also, what are you doing about ending world hunger?  Because I've found that 99% of people who throw around the "starving people in Africa" line haven't actually done anything about it.
Kinda true, but many people wonder on the how of helping people when they're far away from places like Africa; then again, they're so used to "not helping people" that, even when they get the chance, they wouldn't, thus hoping someone more capable does it for them. I part of the problem lies in the sense that a butterfly simply can't create a hurricane, and any efforts on their part will be negligible and hopeless. This feeling of helplessness overwhelms them, and they instead throw that feeling away so they can focus on the "now", the practical ways they can take actions -- either for themselves or someone else.

Then again, while I'm unable to help anyone at Africa, I try and do my best to weed out the best of those in poverty here in my country, subsequently educating them or giving them the means to forge their own destiny. I don't have the money to feed someone, but the least I can do is teach them how to fish.

That reminds me (I know it isn't appropriate for this thread, but since we're on the topic...), Ghungroo has picked up Devanagari quite fast! She still abhors English to the core, but hell, at least she's learned how to read. Now I'm looking forward on how this little thing changes the world with her pen. 8)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on March 08, 2012, 02:09:09 am
Kinda true, but many people wonder on the how of helping people when they're far away from places like Africa

A simple Google search should do the trick.  If someone does their research and chooses a legit charity that helps world hunger, that could take all up to ten minutes.  I donated about $300 (pretty much all I had at the time) to charity about five years ago and that took almost zero effort.  Found a charity, wrote a check, mailed it.  If everyone thinks that they can't create a hurricane and nothing they do will help and that they should just leave it to someone else...well then, we're a bunch of lazy fools and we're screwed.

It just really, really grinds my gears when people throw out "starving people in Africa" or "homeless children in the Ukraine" or "poor people in Peru" like rice at a wedding, but they aren't actually doing anything.  "Starving people in Africa" is a series of buzzwords.  I would have no place telling someone off for doing something and trying to guilt them by using those buzzwords.  Why?  Because I haven't done anything to help starving people in Africa.  It's not that I don't care, it's that the charity I donated / donate to isn't focused on preventing hunger in Africa.  They would be completely empty words.

...I feel like I'm not making sense and no one gets what I'm saying.  -____-
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on March 08, 2012, 02:45:28 am
A simple Google search should do the trick.  If someone does their research and chooses a legit charity that helps world hunger, that could take all up to ten minutes.
Unfortunately, where I come from, the only ones who actually know about Google are the young and ones from the industries that require them to be digitally capable. For instance, 80% of the elders that come to our cafe don't even know how to operate a computer. XD

And even less among the 20% (let's say, only 2%) would actually be able to make online transactions to donate to charities. In other words, most folks at India actually have to go far away places, stand in a line for hours, make a check/DD and donate some amount -- this "inconvenience" is what most people think that the grapes our sour. And, at the same time, most families in India barely have enough to sustain themselves, let alone donate.

Sometimes I envy you people from the US / UK.  :( Still, I pledge other ways of helping if not money entirely, but even that takes time and patience.

(P.S.: I get what you're saying about the "buzzwords" and "guilt", but -- being selfish for a bit -- that's something I'm just not interested in getting into, especially since I enjoy simply watching where such arguments head. XD)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on March 08, 2012, 02:58:25 am
I was talking about "wealthy" people who could do a Google search or donate to charities (like people who are literate and have access to a computer).  That's who I was referring to.  I realize it would be difficult (if not impossible) to navigate charity websites if you're not computer-literate, but that's not the target audience I was addressing.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on March 11, 2012, 09:19:19 am
Bleh.

Spring.

Yuck.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on March 12, 2012, 04:09:06 am
Not here it isn't.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on March 12, 2012, 04:25:53 am
My health, it seems, is on its path towards a rapid decline...

Not here it isn't.
The spring or the yuck?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on March 12, 2012, 06:08:57 am
Not here it isn't.

Ah, lucky.  :/

/minority warm-weather dislike
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on March 13, 2012, 12:43:50 am
I don't mind the cold so much as I mind being rained on while waiting for the bus.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on April 13, 2012, 03:08:00 am
I tell ya...

NEVER apply at Arena Multimedia or even Aptech for academics! NEVER MAKE THAT MISTAKE!

Sigh...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on April 28, 2012, 07:54:28 am
I hate how expensive abortions are.  I know to a lot of people $350+ isn't that expensive but I certainly think it is.  Jesus Christ...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on May 03, 2012, 03:06:15 am
At least they're still cheaper than a kid.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on May 03, 2012, 05:44:46 am
Haha, that is very true!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on May 27, 2012, 10:53:55 am
Once the hate, twice the frustration.

1) You know that most people tend to get attached to some topics or objects they feel most on (then again, it's the nuances of topics that they're most attached to, than the topic itself, similar to how some "hard core" feminists can't really help build social equity even if they can effectively help alleviate misogyny), and it's one of the most amusing factors about organic disposition, not only with human beings but also cellular and instinctive evolution of nearly every kind of creature that lives. While it can be a good thing to help trigger a human mind in the right direction, however, it can also be a curse.

For instance, the daily conveniences of social and economic life keep the people lethargic, especially when they don't participate in collective graver issues. And why would they? They just purchased a new iPhone / Xbox recently, and they have no intention of spoiling their vacations! Then again, often their complaints are justified: "What is it that you want from us? We're the common men! We are small and inferior! The government is BIG, and it's THEIR duty to help resolve these matters! Even if we do try to make a change, someone will destroy our lives: like the drug mafias, or corrupt politicians! We don't have the power; what else can we do?"

Sure, what can you do? These mafias and corrupt politicians are usually empowered by the people's fears. Then again, the most corrupt of them use the public confusions as their weapon against them. The common men have no power.

Yet when the Reliance Foundations, Humanity Trust and Child-Helpline services simply hand down the power to the common men, in ways that the people can change the world with just a phone-call / SMS,... All I see is that the only people keeping an eye on the issues are me and my parents, while my brother and his friends are focused on playing DOTA (because social education is somehow too boring for them), yet I'm the ONLY ONE who even bothers to pay those donations from the meager amount I have. I ask people, and somehow I feel... am I the only one who feels so strongly about this? I log on to their website, find 200,000+ people who also have donated (with 600+ cynics saying it's all bullshit... Please, get me a crowbar), but that's not enough. When I ask my friends, family and colleagues if they've donated even a cent, they tell me:

"But you've paid, right? That's more than enough."
"But there are so many people already paying! What difference does it make if a penny is less from a massive ocean of currency?"
"Half of the money these companies are bound to keep for themselves as profit. Where's the change, again?" (Excuse me, but aren't you just paying a penny?!)
"These charity people are rich! Reliance Foundation is wealthy! I'm sure they can handle all this on their own. They wouldn't need me. Hey, another samosa, please!"

....

I really starting to hate skeptics and cynics these days (I need some time on meditation to help relieve that bias). People have forgotten that every drop makes an ocean, and every penny can save a life. At the same time, there's a burden in my heart, saying, "Why should I serve the very humanity that doesn't give a FUCK?!"


2) Now on the lighter side...

Here, at the cafe, we've sealed off most of the USB ports on the CPU because they tend to short circuit. The customers assume that we're only trying to STOP them from accessing their own USB drives. They bend, remove the seal, plug in their USB drives. Then they wonder why their drive isn't working. I notice.

"Why isn't the drive working?"
"Because, sir, there's a reason we sealed the ports. Didn't you assume why?"
"...you're restricting a customer?"
"No, but for your convenience. You see, the port on the CPU was sealed because it short circuits, so we instead placed a USB extension right near the monitor, right before your eyes, so you wouldn't have to bend all the way down and fiddle with things. I'm sure that, since you took the unnecessary approach, all your data has been fried and wiped out. Have a nice day!"
"....FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-"
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Mr Bekkler on May 27, 2012, 02:47:24 pm
I can't say much about charity, tush, but if you're doing what YOU can, you are doing enough, and shouldn't worry about those who don't. You can't force them to care more and it's their conscience.

That USB story is hilarious. Hilarious.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: utunnels on May 28, 2012, 04:55:44 am
I have a horror story for all fatties.
What is that?
Summer is comming.

Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on May 28, 2012, 08:23:00 am
I have a horror story for people with reverse Seasonal Affective Disorder.

Summer is coming.

=(
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: utunnels on May 28, 2012, 10:26:32 am
LOL
It is really annoying that I usually need a proxy to visit this site.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: chi_z on May 28, 2012, 08:31:47 pm
tell your gooberment The God of War Spekkio shall rain down hell upon them if they don't unblock all things chrono!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: utunnels on May 28, 2012, 09:20:03 pm
Hmm.
Maybe it's just a route problem.

---------

I hate people who refuse to keep neutral unpon vewpoints that don't fit their definition of liking.
For example, while people showering their anger upon someone who kills pets, there are always some people who keep commenting like "but they are just animals", "people should focus on human right other than animal right", "I don't like cats" or "if you are so angery just because some animals got killed, what'd you do when there's a real murder case?"
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: utunnels on May 29, 2012, 01:13:03 am
I see, for some mysterious reason my DNS sometimes can't resolve the domain name of this site.

Added this to the host file and the problem was patched.

174.120.42.27 www.chronocompendium.com
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on July 05, 2012, 01:25:26 pm
आहंकार का कोई बाप नहीं होता...

My bro and his friends were asked by his other friend (Shallen) to promote his concert and sell tickets. So they went places. Bro and Zohair decided to go to Wadia college and talk to the vice president of the business. The moment Zohair walked in with chewing gum in his mouth the vice president asked him to "get out". Nothing more. Just "get out".

Now, I preach so much about the vale of soulmaking, and I appreciate that many disregard their own spiritual nourishment for the sake of something "more important" (according to them) in their lives (such as business / commerce, education, government rebukes, etc.), and I also understand that colleges have strict rules regarding things like chewing gum, but that could be simply stated, respectfully. But because someone was chewing gum, he lost his self-worth in the eyes of someone who holds power?

This maddens me.

As for the fact that many actually abuse their power to their own amusement or annoyances. Bro said that he had no choice but "kiss asses" while I was more rebellious -- that's strange, because I'm usually the one trying to settle "peace" while HE rebells with current norms. But this is one factor I cannot, and will not, stand for it.

I don't care if the man has power.
I don't care if the man has money.
I don't care if he can buy the police as his personal militia.
I will strike him, and I'll strike him true.

*sigh* I'll need to write an article (meaning, I'll need to go to such places myself and gather evidence). But I'm not sure which newspaper would take it. And I'm not sure if they can keep me anonymous -- if that's truly the case, then by merely "publishing" the article, no matter how professional it may seem, would make me a target of these kinds of people (just as they target many investigative journalists). Mine and my family's lives will be ruined. Anything could happen then, though the "best case scenario" would be me thrown in prison for crimes I didn't commit (you simply couldn't imagine the "worst" as I do), and with a false criminal case filed against me, my dreams of going to New Zealand or places like Germany and UK would be shattered in a blink of an eye (and that's exactly why my parents suppress my voice, because they cannot see me destroyed).

If that happens, I will never be able to live...

Dear Compendium. If I do take courage to tackle this human injustice, and do end up in jail or worst, then do pray that my voice doesn't go unheard. I intend to smash this wretched prejudice and lust for power that plagues the human race, but hopefully in ways that Gandhi does. But I might find myself lost in the battle. In either case, I would like to thank you all for giving me the courage to do so. Change begins with a simple thought; we must become the change we want to see.


P.S.: Some might say that I'm probably making a big fuss over minor things. But it isn't just the "get out" that angered me, but circumstances that lead to action. On top of that, colleges like Wadia might be "minimal" when comparing with others that actually deal with bribery and black money (aka, "donation") in order to ensure a student's admission. At the surface, what headmasters are meant to be severe when dealing with so many students and their instability of discipline, but dig deeper and you will find something far.... more.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on July 11, 2012, 02:48:53 pm
I know that in the Frustrations thread I mentioned it sucks you can't travel cross-states on car in my country. But even so....

While I do like cars, I despise traveling in one.  :?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Satoh on July 11, 2012, 11:53:35 pm
I'm just gonna say it: video games...

No, really. I want to like them, but 99% of everything game related I see anymore is a stream of bloody stool in the drinking water...

Every game since about 2004 has been a disappointment... even the few I liked. The disappointments are getting bigger and the likability is becoming fewer and farther between...

Companies that at one time changed the way I lived and though, are now things I look down in disgust at... Series that once were at the core of my being they were so beloved to me, are now points of contempt for me.

As a child I knew the world was a terrible place... so my closest point to innocent joy was gaming, something that one wouldn't think would just go away with age, like normal childhood... but as I grow older the industry is tearing that one simple pleasure away from me...

I guess it's true that no one escapes the destruction of their innocence...not even those who had none. I try to live day by day, making the best of things... but so many things I once loved have betrayed me that I'm always filled with a near boiling rage...

I'm not sure whether I'm a pessimist for seeing these horrible things... or an optimist for trying to believe it's still ok... I am forced to question myself now, as to whether it all meant anything... all the things I've done... was there a point? I'm still here, still working on my art that I'll never be good enough, nor patient enough, to sell; still jobless; still alone... and now I realize all of my life is wasted on some crappy obsession that turned into a curse... all because of video games... because they were once so grand and are now so...not.

It stabs at my being to admit it, even to myself, but I can't avoid it... I hate video games...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on July 12, 2012, 04:51:56 am
Every game since about 2004 has been a disappointment... even the few I liked. The disappointments are getting bigger and the likability is becoming fewer and farther between
Oi, Bastion's good! And there was another I forget the name.... the silent, black game... And then there's Batman: Arkham City!

And I personally loved Street Fighter 4!

But I'd still agree with ya: games just aren't innovative anymore. (This means we've gotta make our own games, aye?)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Satoh on July 12, 2012, 08:55:51 am
Every game since about 2004 has been a disappointment... even the few I liked. The disappointments are getting bigger and the likability is becoming fewer and farther between
Oi, Bastion's good! And there was another I forget the name.... the silent, black game... And then there's Batman: Arkham City!

And I personally loved Street Fighter 4!

But I'd still agree with ya: games just aren't innovative anymore. (This means we've gotta make our own games, aye?)

You're forgetting nintendo... all they are is innovation... in fact they drown out the fun of all their games by having all these gimmicks to use without much choice in the matter...

However, I did say that there were games I liked... they were still disappointing.

I loved Star Ocean 4... but it was far from being the level of completeness that it should have been... in fact, the only game I can think of that I wasn't disappointed with in several ways was MGS4... it was everything I had come to expect... though perhaps not as diverse scenario wise as I could have hoped...

My point is... pre 2004 the games I liked, left me wanting more because of how much I enjoyed them... after '04 I wanted more because there was always, even in the best games, something missing.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on August 01, 2012, 01:03:03 pm
http://zeenews.india.com/news/maharashtra/serial-blasts-rock-pune-one-injured_791172.html

....

I always thought my city was incredibly safe thanks to the military bases we're surrounded with -- and then the German blast happened. Then I thought that the security would have been tightened since then.

And now this.

When will I learn...

Strangely, the sixth bomb was detected besides a building where my aunt lives, and the squad got there in time. True, the intensity of these explosives is quite low, but there's no point playing guessing games with casualties here...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kodokami on August 07, 2012, 05:18:56 pm
I hate to be a buzz kill, but can I ask those of you who are talking about Earthbound/Mother 3 to please hide spoilers in some way? I don't know if it has happened yet (I scroll past as fast as I can), but I'm actually playing it now and I'd hate to have the story ruined for me.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Mr Bekkler on August 07, 2012, 05:47:44 pm
No spoilers from me, I haven't finished it either! In fact I'm still very close to the beginning.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Grace Ashtear on August 07, 2012, 08:41:01 pm
Being one who has completed the whole trilogy, I will not spoil anything to you. I will tell you though, I spoiled to myself just about everything there was in Mother 3 before I started playing, and I STILL cried, genuine tears and all. It is just about a 100% guarantee that it will get to you in some way regardless.

Something I currently hate: I'm going into high school this fall, so my mom is dragging me with my Junior sister to go places with her friends I barely know. Her reasoning? 'Well, you'll be going to high school together, so you should go out a lot together with your friends!"
...Gag me with a spoon.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: TMC on August 10, 2012, 07:25:34 pm
Insomnia, I hate that so much, not being able to sleep. Also a chronic lack of money, it's all very frustrating to me. Sometimes my life just plain and simple sucks and I hate struggling and hanging on at times.

Depressive post is....depressive I guess? :P
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Crono666 on August 14, 2012, 09:22:13 am
I hate half my family right now.

My Grandfather's in the hospital with stage four cancer. He only probably has a few weeks left and already my families fighting over things like inheritance money and who's going to get his house.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Grace Ashtear on August 15, 2012, 06:13:36 pm
That's... I don't even know where to start. He is dying, and all they care about now is his money? Inconsiderate Tightwads...
Something obscure that's bothering me right now: I hate that after months of debating I finally decided to post my fanfiction's first chapter (Chrono Relics) posted on both here and ff.net, and I haven't heard a single review yet. Maybe I am just being impatient, but I am disappointed and frustrated...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: chi_z on August 15, 2012, 07:51:09 pm
well, don't write fanart with expection of get any feedback. any feedback you do get, expect it to be negative or some overly negative bunghole. then when so much as a 'hey it's not too shabby' pops up eventually, it willmake you very happy. do it for thine self!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Grace Ashtear on August 15, 2012, 08:14:41 pm
And of course Mr Bekkler decides to post on it AFTER I post that. Never mind then.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on August 15, 2012, 08:23:31 pm
There may be a connection between the two events, though ;)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on August 16, 2012, 12:01:15 pm
I hate half my family right now.

My Grandfather's in the hospital with stage four cancer. He only probably has a few weeks left and already my families fighting over things like inheritance money and who's going to get his house.
That's sad to hear. How would you consider your grandfather? Because it sounds like nobody in your family seems to give a damn about his life and are far more concerned for what pieces of paper can buy them.

My own Godfather is cancer stricken, but his family hasn't told him anything yet because otherwise he'd lose his will to live (he is really weak emotionally).
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Crono666 on August 16, 2012, 12:18:30 pm
That's sad to hear. How would you consider your grandfather? Because it sounds like nobody in your family seems to give a damn about his life and are far more concerned for what pieces of paper can buy them.
I like my Grandfather but I really haven't been close to him in awhile.

I know that my Mom doesn't really like him. She feels that he was a bad father to her. My Aunt seems to care about him more but she hasn't visted him since he got transferred to another hospital. My mother's the one who's paying all of his medical bills right now. My cousins have already gone through his house looking for money.

Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: giygas63 on August 19, 2012, 12:05:00 pm
I hate a lot of things but the things I hate most are:
Sonic fanboys
Weeaboos
Pokemon fanboys
Bronies (just the over-obsessed ones, if it's just somebody who likes the show then good for them)
Overly-religious people
Little kids
Xbox fanboys
Little kids
Tools that live by YOLO and swag
Little kids
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kodokami on August 23, 2012, 11:15:44 pm
http://www.square-enix.co.jp/subaseka/#

(http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/GifGuide/michael_scott/The-Office-gifs-the-office-14948948-240-196.gif)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: skylark on August 24, 2012, 01:06:20 pm
http://www.square-enix.co.jp/subaseka/#

(http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/GifGuide/michael_scott/The-Office-gifs-the-office-14948948-240-196.gif)

What the hell was that supposed to be...? :shock:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kodokami on August 24, 2012, 06:16:13 pm
It's a countdown with a backdrop of Shibuya. A remix of TWEWY's "Calling" is playing. If I'm assuming correctly, Square Enix is about to announce a sequel.

The image I posted is a gif of Steve Carell screaming "no" over and over. (Does anyone else see that?)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on August 24, 2012, 06:42:43 pm
I see it, and I'll probably steal it for my massive gif collection.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Acacia Sgt on August 24, 2012, 06:47:27 pm
Hm? Why so against a TWEWY sequel?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lennis on August 24, 2012, 10:55:37 pm
What exactly is this game supposed to be?  A sequel to what?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on August 25, 2012, 10:19:37 pm
TWEWY (The World Ends With You) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF92oTClKBU) was a really interesting title, and much beloved from everything I've seen. I could never really get into its atmosphere but it seemed like a great new property.

Am I correct that the big announcement was simply that it's coming to iOS, or is there more to it than that?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: jamesexia on August 26, 2012, 06:50:35 pm
 :( What is with gals who say they only want to be friends, and then when you meet someone else, they get mad? I've been friends with a gal for about a month now, and recently I met another gal and fell in love with her. We're engaged right now, and when I told my friend, she said she didn't know if she wanted to be friends anymore. :( She told me she only liked me as a friend, and that she didn't love me. I don't understand how she could say she will always want to be friends, and then tell me she doesn't know anymore because I'm engaged to someone else. I don't think I'll ever understand women. :(
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kodokami on August 26, 2012, 06:52:06 pm
Hm? Why so against a TWEWY sequel?

It's hard to explain. I consider TWEWY to be one of the greatest games I have ever played, having everything I would want in a game: an emotional and dramatic plot, believable characters (both protagonists and antagonists), seamless gameplay mechanics, the best customization I have ever seen, great voice acting, amazing soundtrack and art. I was one of the first to try it out after seeing that awesome box art in stores and fell in love immediately. Heck, my avatar here has almost always been of a character from the game. TWEWY ended perfectly, with only a few things left to guess at. I'm afraid a sequel would undo all that. I don't want a Chrono Cross of this game. TWEWY has seen a rise in popularity lately, even more so since the characters appeared in Kingdom Hearts 3D. At this point, I daresay Square Enix may be milking the game...

Anyway, you are correct FaustWolf. The countdown was revealed to be a port for iPhone/iPad (http://www.square-enix.co.jp/subarashiki-solo-remix/en/index.html) (no Android!). Honestly... I'm not upset with this (except for the no Android part). My only disappointment I've had with the game was that it was only available on the DS. This at least opens it up for a new medium and new players. More music too (that "Calling/Twister" mix is pretty badass). They also added a Twitter feature which ... I could definitely find amusing.

I guess I overreacted. To everyone who hasn't played The World Ends with You, do yourself a favor and try it out sometime.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kodokami on August 26, 2012, 06:56:57 pm
Double post--whoops!
:( What is with gals who say they only want to be friends, and then when you meet someone else, they get mad? I've been friends with a gal for about a month now, and recently I met another gal and fell in love with her. We're engaged right now, and when I told my friend, she said she didn't know if she wanted to be friends anymore. :( She told me she only liked me as a friend, and that she didn't love me. I don't understand how she could say she will always want to be friends, and then tell me she doesn't know anymore because I'm engaged to someone else. I don't think I'll ever understand women. :(

Love is a tricky business. Seeing as you're engaged now, you may have to cut your losses with this other girl... but hopefully it won't come to that. Losing a friend is never easy. At least talk to her about what's going on.

Best of luck to ya.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: jamesexia on August 26, 2012, 07:07:21 pm
Double post--whoops!
:( What is with gals who say they only want to be friends, and then when you meet someone else, they get mad? I've been friends with a gal for about a month now, and recently I met another gal and fell in love with her. We're engaged right now, and when I told my friend, she said she didn't know if she wanted to be friends anymore. :( She told me she only liked me as a friend, and that she didn't love me. I don't understand how she could say she will always want to be friends, and then tell me she doesn't know anymore because I'm engaged to someone else. I don't think I'll ever understand women. :(

Love is a tricky business. Seeing as you're engaged now, you may have to cut your losses with this other girl... but hopefully it won't come to that. Losing a friend is never easy. At least talk to her about what's going on.

Best of luck to ya.
:( I tried, but she said she wanted to be alone for a while. I don't know what she's thinking, but you're right. It's going to hurt like nothing before to lose her as a friend, but I will respect her choice in the matter. Thanks, by the way. I'm just trying to live day by day now, and I can't get too upset about this. I'll give her some space for a few days or weeks, however long she needs to think. It's all I can do for now.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lennis on August 26, 2012, 07:39:23 pm
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I guess I overreacted. To everyone who hasn't played The World Ends with You, do yourself a favor and try it out sometime.

But I don't have a DS!  (And I hate portable systems because they kill my neck.)  :cry:

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I tried, but she said she wanted to be alone for a while. I don't know what she's thinking, but you're right. It's going to hurt like nothing before to lose her as a friend, but I will respect her choice in the matter. Thanks, by the way. I'm just trying to live day by day now, and I can't get too upset about this. I'll give her some space for a few days or weeks, however long she needs to think. It's all I can do for now.

I don't mean to pry, but how old is this friend of yours?  The younger they are, the less a girl's feelings can be relied upon.  Unless she is a very recent ex (and nothing you've said suggests that she is), I can think of no justifiable reason for her scorn based on what she has told you.  I can think of two possibilities for her behavior.  One, that she really does have romantic feelings for you and has never said so, and perhaps has not been able to admit it to herself.  And two, that she's never had romantic feelings for you but views your own engagement as a door being forever closed - a possibility that you and she never openly or privately explored.  I think the second would be the more likely option if you and she have known each other for awhile.  But knowing her only a month?  More likely option one.  In any case, I wouldn't worry about it too much.  I would be more concerned about the girl that you love.  If that relationship is as fast as you've suggested, you better make sure that she is the Marle to your Crono.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: jamesexia on August 26, 2012, 08:40:20 pm
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I guess I overreacted. To everyone who hasn't played The World Ends with You, do yourself a favor and try it out sometime.

But I don't have a DS!  (And I hate portable systems because they kill my neck.)  :cry:

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I tried, but she said she wanted to be alone for a while. I don't know what she's thinking, but you're right. It's going to hurt like nothing before to lose her as a friend, but I will respect her choice in the matter. Thanks, by the way. I'm just trying to live day by day now, and I can't get too upset about this. I'll give her some space for a few days or weeks, however long she needs to think. It's all I can do for now.

I don't mean to pry, but how old is this friend of yours?  The younger they are, the less a girl's feelings can be relied upon.  Unless she is a very recent ex (and nothing you've said suggests that she is), I can think of no justifiable reason for her scorn based on what she has told you.  I can think of two possibilities for her behavior.  One, that she really does have romantic feelings for you and has never said so, and perhaps has not been able to admit it to herself.  And two, that she's never had romantic feelings for you but views your own engagement as a door being forever closed - a possibility that you and she never openly or privately explored.  I think the second would be the more likely option if you and she have known each other for awhile.  But knowing her only a month?  More likely option one.  In any case, I wouldn't worry about it too much.  I would be more concerned about the girl that you love.  If that relationship is as fast as you've suggested, you better make sure that she is the Marle to your Crono.
Who said you were prying? :wink:
But yeah, I have only known this friend for about two months now, and have been a friend to her for one. She's been through a very nasty divorce recently, and that probably has something to do with it, that and last year she lost her brother because he committed suicide. She's a nice person, but I don't love her. And about the gal I do love: Yeah, I know it's pretty quick and all, but we have agreed that if it doesn't seem to be working before we get married, we'll try to work it out. If that doesn't work, we'll call the engagement off. I told my friend this, but I guess she's still hearing the fact I'm engaged right now, and hasn't registered anything else. Thanks for your concern though. :) I don't have many people I can turn to about this, so having people I don't know give me their opinion helps some. My family has said that I should just wait and see how it goes, and not worry. I will do that. I've learned that you sometimes have to burn some bridges before you find what you truly NEED. Again, thanks. I really appreciate everybodies thoughts on this. :D I really hope she is my Marle. :)
EDIT: Oh! I just saw you wanted to know how old she is. Well, first off, I'm 27. She's the same age as me. And the gal I'm engaged to is 24 next month. I don't know what she really wants from me. She said she doesn't even really know what she wants in a guy. She's hoping to find her soulmate, and that she'll know him when she lays eyes on him the first time. I don't really believe in that anymore. I know from seeing members of my family that it takes work for a relationship to last. Heck, my aunt and uncle ran off together in the late '70s, and didn't get married until about '82-'83. They've been together ever since, adn while they argue, they love each other very much. :)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on August 27, 2012, 08:40:41 am
EDIT: Oh! I just saw you wanted to know how old she is. Well, first off, I'm 27. She's the same age as me. And the gal I'm engaged to is 24 next month. I don't know what she really wants from me. She said she doesn't even really know what she wants in a guy. She's hoping to find her soulmate, and that she'll know him when she lays eyes on him the first time.

Regarding the bolded part, are you talking about your friend, or your fianceé?

Also I'm confused by this:

She's hoping to find her soulmate, and that she'll know him when she lays eyes on him the first time. I don't really believe in that anymore.

When you said this in the "Stuff you love" thread:

:D Well, I've met a gal who openly admitted she loves me. I love her as well, and we're engaged. I know it's a bit sudden, but it was love at first sight.

So you...don't believe that you can know your soulmate at first sight, but you believe that you can fall in love at first sight?  Either I'm misunderstanding you, or you're contradicting yourself.  I realize "soulmate" and "love" are different things, but they both mean "hey I kinda want to be with you for a long time, if not for the rest of my life" so I fail to see the difference in this particular scenario.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: jamesexia on August 27, 2012, 12:46:26 pm
EDIT: Oh! I just saw you wanted to know how old she is. Well, first off, I'm 27. She's the same age as me. And the gal I'm engaged to is 24 next month. I don't know what she really wants from me. She said she doesn't even really know what she wants in a guy. She's hoping to find her soulmate, and that she'll know him when she lays eyes on him the first time.

Regarding the bolded part, are you talking about your friend, or your fianceé?

Also I'm confused by this:

She's hoping to find her soulmate, and that she'll know him when she lays eyes on him the first time. I don't really believe in that anymore.

When you said this in the "Stuff you love" thread:

:D Well, I've met a gal who openly admitted she loves me. I love her as well, and we're engaged. I know it's a bit sudden, but it was love at first sight.

So you...don't believe that you can know your soulmate at first sight, but you believe that you can fall in love at first sight?  Either I'm misunderstanding you, or you're contradicting yourself.  I realize "soulmate" and "love" are different things, but they both mean "hey I kinda want to be with you for a long time, if not for the rest of my life" so I fail to see the difference in this particular scenario.
Yeah, I didn't realize I had. Thanks for telling me. I meant my friend had said that about what you put in bold. But now she's become pretty clear on what she wants. She said she's been thinking for the past few days, and finally figure it out what she's wanting. I may call this engagement off though. My fiancee is in california right now where she's living, but she's asking me for $1000, and won't tell me why. I don't have that kind of money, and she won't take no for an answer. My family is thinking that even though we got to meet once, she's trying to scam me. I've been asking her about it, and she refuses to tell me what the money is for. She says it's nothing I need to be concerned with. I really don't know if I DO love her, because she keeps putting these doubts in my heart about whether she really wants to be with me or not. I think I let my emotions get the better of me, and that I haven't really thought out this whole thing. I've told her I need some time to think about all this, and she said she's okay with that, that she is having doubts as well. I don't know anything anymore, and I'm just going to wait and see what happens right now. I also just heard from my friend that she does have feelings for me, and that she wishes I wasn't engaged. I get along better with her anyway, because My fiancee won't tell me anything when we talk. I'm trying to get to know her better, and let her know me better as well, but she says she doesn't want to talk about herself at all. That, again, it's nothing I really need to know about. She's putting all these doubts in my heart right now, and I don't think I can truly love her with the way she's acting. She keeps expecting me to just blindly trust her on everything, no matter what that may be. I'm going to just stop talking to anyone for a while, and go think about what is going on in my life. I know this may confuse everyone even more, but that's nothing compared to how cunfused I am right now. :(
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Mr Bekkler on August 27, 2012, 02:06:52 pm
Asking for a thousand dollars and telling you it's none of your business why is totally a scam. Get out of that relationship quick! Or stay in but don't give her the money. People need to earn each others' trust, it doesn't come from nothing.

I'm no expert, but it sounds like the "friend" is more than a friend and could see that this engagement is bad for you. And I hate to say it, but some people (like your friend) just need a kick in the pants to realize they have feelings for someone.

Here's a really important question, and I want you to take it seriously. What (not who) do YOU want? Be specific. Write down your answer if you want, you don't even have to post it in this forum. Then look at the fiancee, and look at the friend, and see which qualities each of them have that you want in a soul mate. I bet you'll be surprised, and either your friend will be perfect for you or you'll realize neither is good enough for you nor do they have the qualities you're looking for. I could be wrong, like I said I'm no expert.

A small bit of advice: Don't get engaged unless you've been dating long enough to know the significant other's financial situation. One thing you don't want: "Surprise! Life-debt! Now we BOTH owe!" I won't say anything about physical attraction except make sure you can stand to look at her mug for the rest of your life. Engagement and marriage are serious business to me, I've been dating someone over a year and we're inching closer to her moving in but getting engaged and/or married is still WAY off. You can't rush it or you'll be miserable for sure.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on August 27, 2012, 03:22:12 pm
Rare Shiny Tushantin spotted in the Compendium grasslands! What are your options: Fight, Bag, Run, Converse.

So you...don't believe that you can know your soulmate at first sight, but you believe that you can fall in love at first sight?  Either I'm misunderstanding you, or you're contradicting yourself.
Whatever we think he means, I think that "Love at first sight" and "Soul-mating" are different concepts, even though related. XD

I still would like to echo Bekkler's statement: "People need to earn each others' trust, it doesn't come from nothing."

*disappears from the convo again*
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: jamesexia on August 27, 2012, 03:46:22 pm
Asking for a thousand dollars and telling you it's none of your business why is totally a scam. Get out of that relationship quick! Or stay in but don't give her the money. People need to earn each others' trust, it doesn't come from nothing.

I'm no expert, but it sounds like the "friend" is more than a friend and could see that this engagement is bad for you. And I hate to say it, but some people (like your friend) just need a kick in the pants to realize they have feelings for someone.

Here's a really important question, and I want you to take it seriously. What (not who) do YOU want? Be specific. Write down your answer if you want, you don't even have to post it in this forum. Then look at the fiancee, and look at the friend, and see which qualities each of them have that you want in a soul mate. I bet you'll be surprised, and either your friend will be perfect for you or you'll realize neither is good enough for you nor do they have the qualities you're looking for. I could be wrong, like I said I'm no expert.

A small bit of advice: Don't get engaged unless you've been dating long enough to know the significant other's financial situation. One thing you don't want: "Surprise! Life-debt! Now we BOTH owe!" I won't say anything about physical attraction except make sure you can stand to look at her mug for the rest of your life. Engagement and marriage are serious business to me, I've been dating someone over a year and we're inching closer to her moving in but getting engaged and/or married is still WAY off. You can't rush it or you'll be miserable for sure.
Mr. Bekkler, thank you. :) I realize now that I DID rush it, and I just told her that I'm calling it off. She got mad about it, and said that because I can't send the money, it just means I don't love her. Sooo, I guess I know where I stand with her now. My family said that I have made the right decision. That if she can't understand what I'm going through, then it won't work no matter what. I wrote down what I'm wanting in a spouse, and my friend seems to have many of the things I'm looking for. I can't go see her at this time, and I need some time to think for now. I'll go see her soon, but right now I don't have the money to do anything other than help some of my family with food.
Rare Shiny Tushantin spotted in the Compendium grasslands! What are your options: Fight, Bag, Run, Converse.

So you...don't believe that you can know your soulmate at first sight, but you believe that you can fall in love at first sight?  Either I'm misunderstanding you, or you're contradicting yourself.
Whatever we think he means, I think that "Love at first sight" and "Soul-mating" are different concepts, even though related. XD

I still would like to echo Bekkler's statement: "People need to earn each others' trust, it doesn't come from nothing."

*disappears from the convo again*
Yeah, that's the problem with the gal I thought I loved. She wanted me to just trust her blindly, and not question her. Oh well, I can't have this in my life right now, so like I said, I told her I'm calling it off. She can be mad all she wants, but things like this happen. I think she's looking for a fairy-tale relationship, and that has never worked in real life to my knowledge. Well, I won't be on here for a while, even though I'm not on that much as is. I'll post something at some point about how it's going I guess, but I think it's time to move onto something else. :wink:
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on August 28, 2012, 05:37:04 pm
People not understanding Graeco-Roman centrism.

Look, just because Tacitus said that the Germans worshiped Hercules doesn't mean that they actually did. All that means is that the Roman's were jerks who didn't spend the effort to figure out what was really going on. And Greeks, you don't get off, either. We both know that Herodotus' story about Khnum being Zeus holding a ram's skin over his head is just lame. I have my eye on you.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on September 01, 2012, 03:18:30 pm
People not understanding Graeco-Roman centrism.

Look, just because Tacitus said that the Germans worshiped Hercules doesn't mean that they actually did. All that means is that the Roman's were jerks who didn't spend the effort to figure out what was really going on. And Greeks, you don't get off, either. We both know that Herodotus' story about Khnum being Zeus holding a ram's skin over his head is just lame. I have my eye on you.

All I hear is "Bar bar bar."
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lennis on September 01, 2012, 07:50:03 pm
What do I hate?  Increasingly, it's modern gaming.

One week after I began playing the long awaited Guild Wars 2 - and it is a great game from what I have seen of it - I can no longer log on to the game.

Apparently some hackers thought it would be fun to raid databases from other games and using that information to illegally access GW2 accounts.  There is no evidence that my account has been so victimized.  Nevertheless, the hackers have created an issue that is affecting far more accounts than they have attempted to crack.  In response to the hackers, Arenanet has instituted an e-mail authentication system that immediately informs the user via e-mail when someone attempts to access the game/account from a different IP address.  In order for the user to access the account in this instance, they must click a link in an automatically sent e-mail.  In theory, this seems like a sensible course and only a minor inconvenience.  But what happens when you attempt to log on from the same computer you always have and it asks you for authentication anyway?  Just another minor inconvenience?  Sure, so long as you actually get the authentication e-mail and have a link to click.  What happens if you never get that e-mail?  That's right.  You're SCREWED!  (And yes, I have checked my junk folder many times just to be sure.)  You can't log on to the game.  You can't access your account information.  You are left with no choice to submit a ticket to support.

No big inconvenience, right?  Two minutes, and you're done.  Well... no.  You have to put your problem under a drop-down heading of the most common issues.  Not knowing how better to explain my issue, I selected "Blocked or Suspended Accounts" and put a more detailed description in, explaining that my account had not actually been suspended to my knowledge, I just wasn't getting the authentication e-mail.  That's five minutes' investment.  Now I just need to hit send and all is done, right?  Uh... wait?  I have to type in a captcha?  Okay...  Give me a captcha I can actually $%#&*&% read, and I would be happy to.  Okay, that's done.  The page then says "submitting".  Curiously, thirty minutes after I went through all this crap, it is still saying submitting.  More than likely, Arenanet has not gotten my message and probably never will.  Do I submit another ticket?  Do I risk making a double-post if my request did go through, and the page just didn't tell me?

So now what?  Do I just wait until after the holiday weekend and hope the developers resolve the issue on their own (it's a known issue according to their Twitter page,) or has my account now been permanently blocked unless I can contact them directly?  Is it even possible for me to send them a message?  They probably get hundreds of thousands of support tickets a day, and their official forum has not been brought online due to the enormous traffic on their servers.  Do I try calling them by phone?  I can imagine how THAT would go over.  *beep* *beep* *beep* *beep* *beep* *beep*

Does anyone remember the time when whenever we had a problem with a game, we would just go back to EB and exchange it for another copy?   :picardno

Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on September 03, 2012, 09:57:08 pm
Quote from: Lennis
Do I try calling them by phone?  I can imagine how THAT would go over.  *beep* *beep* *beep* *beep* *beep* *beep*
Shit, since when did videogame support become like trying to deal with health insurance companies? Good luck there, Lennis.


I got one whiff of the syllabus for my second-to-last Master's degree course this week, and now I realize I'll have to give up solid progress on my pet project - fondly called "IT" - if I don't want to make a complete fool of myself in class. Ugh! I've spent so many years searching for the story I want to tell, and now that I've found it, "real life" things are usurping my attention. I'm finally beginning to understand the phrase "absence makes the heart grow fonder." I will make it through this year so I can get back to IT. I will. *Shakes fist mightily.*
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on September 04, 2012, 04:03:48 am
Police and quack shrinks.

Excuse me while I vomit when I think of their complete ineptitude.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: utunnels on September 04, 2012, 04:20:41 am
Po.lice is censored here for some reason I won't bother to know.

Must laugh.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Katie Skyye on September 04, 2012, 04:57:32 am
End of summer. Problems with my mom. Schedule nonsense shenanigans. Not being 21. Feeling like an idiot all the time. Not being in the Springtime of Youth at the moment, due to said problems. Ugh...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on September 04, 2012, 07:14:38 am
Po.lice is censored here for some reason I won't bother to know.

Must laugh.

Well it made me laugh.  XD
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on September 04, 2012, 02:35:36 pm
... I've spent so many years searching for the story I want to tell, and now that I've found it, "real life" things are usurping my attention.

Truly? Forgive me if I am a little dubious as to this claim, but I suspect there is a little time you could still manage to work on IT. You have to eat meals, yes? Could those be working meals, during which you are writing stuff for IT? You have to take a shower/bath occasionally, yes? Can you be thinking about IT and plotting stuff out, so that when you have 5, or 10, or however many minutes you can scratch together, those will be damn productive minutes? Are there other hobbies that you can cut? Video games? Posting on forums?

Don't get me wrong, I am absolutely horrible at this myself, and I fully acknowledge that sometimes people simply do not even have a few minutes to spare (I myself spent much of 2010-2011 that way). But, perhaps this is the perfect time to find out where you can cut the fat and develop good habits.

Well... I say "good" habits, but actually, people who succeed at these sort of things tend to usually have obsessive habits.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lennis on September 05, 2012, 10:20:02 pm
... I've spent so many years searching for the story I want to tell, and now that I've found it, "real life" things are usurping my attention.

Truly? Forgive me if I am a little dubious as to this claim, but I suspect there is a little time you could still manage to work on IT. You have to eat meals, yes? Could those be working meals, during which you are writing stuff for IT? You have to take a shower/bath occasionally, yes? Can you be thinking about IT and plotting stuff out, so that when you have 5, or 10, or however many minutes you can scratch together, those will be damn productive minutes? Are there other hobbies that you can cut? Video games? Posting on forums?

Don't get me wrong, I am absolutely horrible at this myself, and I fully acknowledge that sometimes people simply do not even have a few minutes to spare (I myself spent much of 2010-2011 that way). But, perhaps this is the perfect time to find out where you can cut the fat and develop good habits.

Well... I say "good" habits, but actually, people who succeed at these sort of things tend to usually have obsessive habits.

In my experience, quality work is not something that can be done piecemeal, and I am operating under the assumption that Faust wants "IT" to be something of quality.  Certainly, I often think of my own story when I am at work.  Some of my best (and unexpectedly crazy) ideas came at work and I jotted them down on a notepad.  But there comes a time when you have to transform those story fragments into a solid narrative, and that is not something you can do 5 - 10 minutes at a time then drop it to deal with the next real-life obligation.  You need a solid block of time - on the order of hours - uninterrupted to make creative endeavors happen.  Personally, I sometimes need a solid block of time just to get into the right frame of mind to write effectively, and then I need a block of hours after that to actually work on the story.  Maybe there are some people out there who are great multi-taskers and awesome writers who can just create the entire narrative in their head and just copy it down as opportunity permits.  Mozart was like that.  I am not Mozart, and I'm willing to bet that no one else here is either, or even knows someone who is.  There is no substitute for time.  We have to somehow make the time we need by taking control of our lives rather than having life control us, as is so often the case in this modern era.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on September 07, 2012, 04:03:29 pm
In my experience, significant work can only be done piecemeal. I'd estimate it took George RR Martin around 600 hours of writing to produce Game of Throne: there's no way he did that in a single sitting. Further, I'd be buttons to bullion that it went through at least three drafts (probably closely to 6), each with a respectable break in between. We're looking at around a year and a half of full time work. Trying to mimic that only when you have large chunks of time just wont work.

The key to quality isn't having a huge chunk of time to work on things, but rather working on things consistently and going through multiple drafts. I'd be greatly surprised if there's a book on the market that had only one draft. Indeed, even just two would be incredibly amazing. This means, the first draft is going to be crap when compared to the final version. As such, there's little good in worrying about getting it absolutely right the first time. The biggest challenge, rather, is getting the thing hammered out and down on paper. THEN, when you know what you are working with, can you start crafting it into something of quality.

In short, now is not the time to worry about time, you don't have the time.

As for productivity, one of the best pieces of advice I've heard (once I was in a place to understand it) was that one has to treat writing like a job. You can't get by if you skirt off on your job's duties, and you can't get by if you skirt off on your writing. It doesn't matter if you feel like going to your normal job and working, you still do it. And it doesn't matter if you feel "in the mood" to write or not, you still sit down and write. If you treat it like a hobby, it will ever only be a hobby. If you treat it like a career, though, then you just might make it one.

But as I said, sometimes people simply don't have the time for even scrounging up a half hour here or 15 minutes there. I spent much of 2010-2011 in that state. I get it. But the sentiment here is finding every ounce of energy you can spare and putting that towards your project.

EDIT: I noticed that you indicated that you essentially have to write yourself into the story to really get going. A lot of writers are like that. However, if you write consistently (as in, every day at noon, sharp, you write for half an hour), you will be able to get into the story much faster. This takes time, though, to develop the needed "muscles" and habits. Furthermore, thinking about the story and what you want to accomplish that day really helps me hit the ground running. I don't have the narrative figured out, of course, but just knowing that "This character will be here, go there to meet with that other character, have a fight, banter, then run away" makes the days writing session go so much better (and it's easier to loose myself in it and write beyond my time limit, because then I am eager to get to the rest of what I planned for that day). When I'm not thinking about the story all day, then things really drag when I write.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: FaustWolf on September 08, 2012, 07:36:11 pm
These are such big questions for artists! I've found myself somewhere between Lennis and Thought on this matter and I understand them both completely. Right as I was going into this class I was telling Thought and tushantin over email how perfect my artistic life was going during the summer, and *bam*! I hit my need to finish this degree again, and it knocked the wind right out of my sails. I was in quite the depression for a bit there.

The full truth is, I still do have specific, regular nights blocked out for writing -- but those must now go to a few fan projects that I owe deference to, because it's been a while since I was able to give them attention. Moreover, looking back, I realize I had some undue hubris over the summer, thinking my current, original-IP-pursuing-self knew better than the FaustWolf who existed back in 2010 and 2011. Truth is, for all the writing experience I've gained since then, I'm learning so much now that I delve back into the fan projects and explore my past self a little more, back before I got so tuckered out and "matured" in the working world. There are lessons sitting in the unfinished fan projects, so that's the real reason I say I have to put "IT" aside for a little while. There's no doubt I'll keep snatching moments to scribble dialogue backbones for "IT" on notebook paper, but I must see the fan projects to some conclusion before I can give "IT" the attention it deserves. I now know "IT" will be so much greater for it.

To sum up, I'm happy with my evolving artistic self, and that's what matters most. I only wonder what I'll be thinking about on Halloween, when I first meditated on this song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_nr-Tj4dtU) way back in 1998. Will it be "IT" or the fan projects? I guess I'll have to see where the wave of inspiration takes me. I'll probably be handing out candy to little kiddies and my mind split evenly between both.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: utunnels on September 10, 2012, 05:10:00 am
I found I'm so easily addicted to video games. When this happens I hate to do anything else, but waiting for my interests to burn out.
Perhaps I really need some sort of schedule, but the depressing thing is I get only 3-4 hours free time every night.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Boo the Gentleman Caller on September 10, 2012, 09:13:45 pm
I would kill for 3-4 hours of free time a night, hahaha... :)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lennis on September 11, 2012, 04:23:00 am
In my experience, significant work can only be done piecemeal. I'd estimate it took George RR Martin around 600 hours of writing to produce Game of Throne: there's no way he did that in a single sitting. Further, I'd be buttons to bullion that it went through at least three drafts (probably closely to 6), each with a respectable break in between. We're looking at around a year and a half of full time work. Trying to mimic that only when you have large chunks of time just wont work.

The key to quality isn't having a huge chunk of time to work on things, but rather working on things consistently and going through multiple drafts. I'd be greatly surprised if there's a book on the market that had only one draft. Indeed, even just two would be incredibly amazing. This means, the first draft is going to be crap when compared to the final version. As such, there's little good in worrying about getting it absolutely right the first time. The biggest challenge, rather, is getting the thing hammered out and down on paper. THEN, when you know what you are working with, can you start crafting it into something of quality.

Six-hundred hours?  Are you serious?  I would think it would have taken him a lot longer, especially if he had multiple drafts.

You make a lot of good points, and I've heard a lot of other experts on the writing profession give similar advice.  The problem is that not all authors are created equal.  Some are so efficient and workman-like that they can churn out multiple novels in any given year, while others spend a lifetime working on their masterpiece before they feel it is even fit to read.  I think the difference between these two approaches is in how the author treats material that is sub-par.  For some people, just getting anything at all onto paper is an accomplishment, and they try to fashion a quality manuscript out of mounds of trash.  I have to say that I have never understood this approach.  If you have five pages of quality material that can be salvaged from 50 pages of crap, you are still left with 45 pages of crap that has to be fixed, and that is a considerable burden that only serves to drag the creative process through the mud.  Maybe there's some OCD going on here, but I cannot tolerate crap that is written by my own hand.  If a passage isn't working, I have to deal with it immediately until it does work.  You don't get better by putting off 'till tomorrow problems that need to be fixed as they happen.  I don't view a hastily written manuscript as any kind of accomplishment if quality was sacrificed in the name of progress.  From my perspective, a crappy draft just gives the author a lot of unnecessary extra work just trying to make sense of the garbage, let alone starting over to write the draft he should have written the first time.  I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you get in the habit of writing crap, you'll probably keep on writing crap.  That's why I don't put anything substantive to paper until I know I have the time and mentality to do it right.  After all, if your initial draft is of high quality, imagine how much better your final draft will be.  A writer that has planned things out well enough shouldn't need "throwaway" drafts.  A working draft and a final draft is all you really need, at least if you use word processors.  (I consider those separate from notes and test scenes that aren't written to narrative standards.)

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As for productivity, one of the best pieces of advice I've heard (once I was in a place to understand it) was that one has to treat writing like a job. You can't get by if you skirt off on your job's duties, and you can't get by if you skirt off on your writing. It doesn't matter if you feel like going to your normal job and working, you still do it. And it doesn't matter if you feel "in the mood" to write or not, you still sit down and write. If you treat it like a hobby, it will ever only be a hobby. If you treat it like a career, though, then you just might make it one.

This is not a path I wish to tread, treating writing like a job.  A job is what you do every day, like it or not, to get the paycheck you need to put food on your table.  Love plays no part in that, and when your writing begins to reflect this workman-like detachment, you have lost a most important source of inspiration, and perhaps a desire for quality above the norm.  I've read my share of cookie-cutter books, and I wonder what might have become of those unremarkable stories had they been pursued with the zeal of a hobbyist rather than a career-author looking to make a quick buck.  Anything worth writing is worth writing well, or at least to the best of your abilities.  To that effect, it's best to start writing when you're reasonably well-rested and have no pressing concerns to distract you from your task.  Once you do start writing though, I've found that you shouldn't stop for anything until you have at least completed the section you intended to write, even if you grow tired from the effort.  Few things are more discouraging than forgetting a planned passage just because you had to take a nap, another reason you shouldn't start writing unless you're physically and mentally up to a session.  Your story demands the best from you, not merely what energy you have left to spare for it.

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EDIT: I noticed that you indicated that you essentially have to write yourself into the story to really get going. A lot of writers are like that. However, if you write consistently (as in, every day at noon, sharp, you write for half an hour), you will be able to get into the story much faster. This takes time, though, to develop the needed "muscles" and habits. Furthermore, thinking about the story and what you want to accomplish that day really helps me hit the ground running. I don't have the narrative figured out, of course, but just knowing that "This character will be here, go there to meet with that other character, have a fight, banter, then run away" makes the days writing session go so much better (and it's easier to loose myself in it and write beyond my time limit, because then I am eager to get to the rest of what I planned for that day). When I'm not thinking about the story all day, then things really drag when I write.

I wish I could write for a half-hour every day at noon.  My work obligations won't allow it.  And I would take no joy or sense of accomplishment from such a short session anyway.  I would want to keep going.  And then work would get in the way.  And then dinner after that.  Imagine taking a lollipop from a three-year-old before he's through sucking it.  That's what I'm like after a writing session that's long enough to get some narrative ideas in my head but not long enough to write those ideas down in a coherent fashion.  Going to work in a bad mood is not conductive to good health.  I can relate to what you say about not having the narrative completely figured out and having a rough sequence outlined.  That's actually a joy because things can develop in a way you didn't initially plan on and end up working quite well.  As it turns out, there are few days when I'm not thinking about my story in some way, so we also have that in common.  But what I think about is usually how a scene plays out in dialogue, as it would in a film, rather than how it would read.  That last is not something I can daydream, and demands my undivided attention.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on September 11, 2012, 04:43:25 pm
Lennis, I am curious: have you tried other methods of writing? If so, how long did you stick with them, what were your experiences like, and what did you produce?

To give some perspective along those lines, allow me to use myself as an example. I've been writing for 20 years. For the first 19 of those I thought I was a discovery writer. Then I decided to actually experiment with my writing, and started with outlining. Within a single writing session, I was convinced that I had been wrong all that time. Now, I absolutely love outline writing. That clearly doesn't work for everyone (Stephen King is the most discoveriest and most famous of discovery writers), but until I tried otherwise, I would have never known that it does for me. Of course, even knowing that I’m an outliner, I don’t really know yet where on the spectrum I lie. Still have to experiment.

That is what is really important. Working on developing yourself as a writer. The rest, well, it feels like you are giving excuses, Lennis. Really lame ones. The “Todd Akin” kind of lame. Maybe you aren’t, though. Maybe you’ve actually done your due diligence. Hence my above questions.

It might please you to know that my current project, the one that I’ve been treating like a job and working on every day (I’ve been loving it endlessly, by the way) is indeed crap. The rub there, though, is that it is crap because it’s really my first successful project. You wouldn’t like the first soup I ever made, either (seriously, there was something really really wrong with that thing). I’ve been learning hordes of things that I just didn’t get from a “everything must be perfect before I can move on” approach (which I also had 19 years of trying). My characters, for one, are much better. Because I am working with them every day, I really get to know them more than I ever got to know a character before (even characters I had worked on for five or more years). This book won’t be publishable, even after several revisions. It isn’t supposed to be. It’s supposed to teach me, so I can write better books later, and those will teach me how to write better still. If your stories demand your best, then you had best be sure that your best is damn well good enough, and the only way to get that to happen is hard work. Lovely, delightful, job-y work, but work nonetheless.

I wish I could write for a half-hour every day at noon.  My work obligations won't allow it.
As long as you work somewhere in the western world, your work obligations require it. Labor laws and all that. There are, of course, always exceptions (academic scientists are one, actually).
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lennis on September 12, 2012, 03:08:49 am
The rest, well, it feels like you are giving excuses, Lennis. Really lame ones. The “Todd Akin” kind of lame.

I have to say that statement kind of irritates me.  I don't like it when people regard my honest observations about myself as excuses.  (I'm assuming you're taking issue with my statements about work and dinner.)  I wasn't expecting to be attacked over that, and I really wasn't expecting to be compared to Todd Akin.  That man is a fool who let his prejudices influence his judgement and his words, not to mention that he obviously didn't care how women would react to his "rape" comments.  I'm much more thoughtful in my approach to things.  How does one draw the line between honest self-reflection and outright whining?  I didn't think I was doing the latter.

You and I have been practicing creative writing for about the same amount of time, though I get the impression you've been doing it more consistently than I have.  Historically, I've worked in spurts, making a few efforts to start an original science-fiction project before things kind of just fell apart due to a less-than-solid grasp of where I wanted the story to go.  The three main characters were fairly well developed, but the world I put them in was not.  I wanted their world to be set in a believable 22nd century where they would have to deal with the legacies of what happened in the 21st - the collapse of the United States being but one of them.  As I've gotten older, I've had to adjust a lot of my assumptions on what a believable near-future would look like, both politically and technologically.  Since my last attempt at building that world, there has been a major worldwide economic crisis and the development of smartphones - neither of which I thought would happen in the late 2000's.  (One of my characters was using an arm-strapped device similar to a present-day smartphone in the year 2112, and was inferior to an Android in almost every way.)  I now follow geopolitical and technological developments from actual experts in those subjects, rather than trying to guess at them on my own.  It's a more mature approach that I hope will bear fruit one day.

As for how I approach writing itself, I leaned very much toward the discovery side of things in my early days.  I found the concept of outlining very cumbersome and limiting, in a narrative sense.  I found that my characters weren't being given room to stretch their wings and fly, never knowing what they were truly made of by sticking to a rigid script.  I wanted my work to be more than just an exercise.  By opening up the creative doors to the winds, my material was routinely better than what my classmates could produce.  Going the "discovery" route proved to be a boon to my characterizations and dialogue.  Plot was still a problem for me, but I didn't concern myself much with that since I wasn't writing novels at the time.  I didn't take outlining seriously until I started world-building with my science-fiction project.  Even then, I kept things loose just in case an unexpected solution to a plot issue showed up in the narrative.  Unfortunately, things always hung up in Chapter 4.  The foundation just wasn't strong enough to continue that version of the story.  The characters still live in my heart, but everything around them withered and died.  I simply wasn't ready to start the main manuscript.  I had already thrown three-plus chapters worth of material at the canvas, and nothing was sticking.  I decided I wouldn't throw anything else at that canvas until the foundation could support it, at least nothing pretending to be an actual narrative.  I don't like throwing away chapters.  I really don't.  Doing so makes me feel like more of a failure for letting it happen.

You and I seem to take diametrically opposite positions to experimentation in writing.  You look on everything as an exercise.  It doesn't matter if it's good or not.  Anything you write is a learning experience not meant to be taken seriously any other way.  I take the view that everything you write in full-narrative has to be taken seriously with the end-game (publishing) in mind, or it is just wasted effort.  I'm a little confused about your assertion that your current project is crap because it's your first successful project.  I'm assuming you mean "finished" or nearly-finished, because crap, as you call it, can hardly be called a successful project.  If you're learning something, that's great, and I don't discount the benefits of learning as you go.  But saying that "This book won’t be publishable, even after several revisions. It isn’t supposed to be. It’s supposed to teach me, so I can write better books later, and those will teach me how to write better still." kind of makes me feel sorry for your story.  Does it not deserve better than that?  I'm not suggesting that what you write now will have the same level of polish as something you write 20 years from now, but why not go all-out and see what your best is capable of now?  You might be better than you think.  I always put forth my best effort before posting one of my chapters.  It might not be perfect, but a lot of published books I read aren't perfect either.  I take heart from that, because I know I can make my stuff just a little bit better for the final draft because I approached things from the start with the final goal in mind.  I don't stop learning because I took that mentality.

I recognize that every writer approaches things differently.  I'm not trying to belittle your preferred methods.  For me, developing my skills as a writer means tackling the manuscript meticulously until it is as good as I know how to make it before showing it to other people.  That way the quality can only get better when problems are pointed out and corrected.  It's also important to understand your limitations.  If you don't write good material in sub-hour sessions, it's probably better to allot yourself more time for writing than plugging away piecemeal hoping you get better at it.  My piecemeal efforts have never produced good results, and usually necessitate complete rewrites of the offending material to fix the problems.  I don't look at that as time well spent.

I could go into more detail in how I approach my Chrono Trigger novel series and how my habits have evolved in recent years, but this post is getting a bit longish, so I think I'll pause here for tonight.  (Maybe we should take this to the writer's thread?)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: alfadorredux on September 12, 2012, 08:52:03 am
Every writer has a different process. I'm one of those that finds it useful—indeed, I would go so far as to say it's necessary to maintaining what passes for my sanity—to at least try to write every day. Of course I end up discarding some text. That's part of my process, and I've learned to live with it. Sometimes I have to write a chunk of the wrong thing before I can come up with the right thing.

Nor is Thought in bad company when it comes to having a manuscript that he thinks isn't publishable: most published writers have a "trunk novel" stashed away at the bottom of a drawer somewhere. (Or Thought may just be overestimating the quality of what gets submitted to publishers (http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/004641.html). (Read that entire post. Including the comments. Seriously.))

I'm short on time, so I'll stop there.

Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on September 12, 2012, 07:35:18 pm
Alfador, those are a lot of comments! But a wonderful article. It’s always really interesting to hear from and editor or agent perspective. I’m fairly sure that my first submitted story was rejected because of #2 on that editor’s 14 list (to be fair, I thought at the time that it fit the magazine’s style… then I read more into the genre and realized I had written something totally different than what I thought I wrote).

Lennis, to note, the Todd Akins part was supposed to be so over the top as to be disarming. I had meant it as the classic pairing of two ridiculous opposites. However, it clearly didn’t work, so I apologize about that.

Anywho, I think you are taking most my comments far too one-dimensionally. Yes, everything is a learning experience and must be perceived in that light, but it is still a full narrative to be taken seriously with the end-game in mind. The two aren’t really separate. We do, however, have different goals in mind. Mine is to become a publishable author. It sounds like yours is to produce a publishable book.

To use an analogy, I might want to run a mile in 6 minutes, but I am under no illusions that I have the ability to do so right now. I would have to train. While that require doing my best each time, if I never run a mile to begin with, I’ll never be able to run a 6 minute mile. That first mile I run will be horrible. But if I run that first mile, then run a second, then a third, I’ll improve.  But if I want to run a “perfect mile” by making sure every single step is perfect…

Anywho, I’ll probably just annoy if I try to harp on that anymore. Onwards!

There are a variety of reasons I call my current project crap. The first is the shock value. It’s probably better described as unpublishable.

Second, it’s a comparatively mundane epic fantasy. I wanted it to be this way: I want to try my hand at a lot of different genres, and decided to start with epic fantasy. There are plenty of creative touches in it, but I wanted to try to write to genre norms before I start trying to add large twists. Have to know the rules before you can break them, you know? Anywho, the end result is that it’s not a cookie cutter but also not cutting edge. I’m alienating both readerships, and thereby there isn’t much of a market for it.

Additionally, it has a lot of problems of the exact sort that I don’t currently have the skills to properly address. Pacing, for example, was never an issue I encountered seriously until I started making significant progress towards the completion of a book, simply because I had never gotten far enough for book-scale problems to arise. I’m getting better, but it’s crazy-pants for me to think I’ll master pacing by the time the draft is done. No sense spinning my wheels about it even before then.

Yes, it’s a shame that this first book has to be bad, but the thing is, as Alfador noted, everyone’s first book is bad. Overnight successes are backed by decades of failed attempts. I really like the ideas in my book, but since I want to be a career author, that means I also need to practice coming up with new (and better) ideas. And, to note, the more I practice, the better I get (yes, creativity is a learned attribute).

Besides, nothing is ever wasted (well, unless you delete it, which is another reason not to edit as you go). After a few books are under my belt, I can come back to this one, take the good ideas, rework them, and use them again.

Anwyho again!

You mentioned you used to be all discovery, and now outline a little. But I am still curious, have you tried consistent writing sessions (even if they are small)? And if so, for how long did you stick with it? While every author has their own method, every author still has to figure out what works best for them. I’m curious in how you figured out what works for you.

But yes, I suppose we should take this to a writing thread.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lennis on September 15, 2012, 03:28:10 am
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Alfador, those are a lot of comments! But a wonderful article. It’s always really interesting to hear from and editor or agent perspective.

Indeed, that was an informative and amusing read.  (I'll have to bookmark that page so I can look through that huge backlog of comments more thoroughly.)  I can only hope I am able to maintain some level of objectivity and decorum when it comes time for me to submit something.

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Lennis, to note, the Todd Akins part was supposed to be so over the top as to be disarming. I had meant it as the classic pairing of two ridiculous opposites. However, it clearly didn’t work, so I apologize about that.

I should apologize for that little outburst.  I get very defensive if I feel I'm being criticized after opening myself up.  It brings to mind a less-than-pleasant e-mail correspondence I had with a friend a few years back that basically wrecked that friendship.  I never opened up to that person again, and the relationship faded to nothing.  On my list of regrets, that one is in the top ten.

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Anywho, I think you are taking most my comments far too one-dimensionally. Yes, everything is a learning experience and must be perceived in that light, but it is still a full narrative to be taken seriously with the end-game in mind. The two aren’t really separate. We do, however, have different goals in mind. Mine is to become a publishable author. It sounds like yours is to produce a publishable book.

You nailed it on the head.  In recent years my attitudes toward writing have changed, in that I believe a story is more important than the man who writes it.  Men are flawed, pathetic creatures that are often remembered more for the things they got wrong in life than the things they got right.  I don't particularly want to be remembered as anything more than a caretaker for ideas put into a narrative form.  I view a story as a living breathing thing of potential perfection that we human beings nurse to a level of growth where it can take on a life of its own.  We are only caretakers of that which is better than us.  We can either interpret the true form of that story correctly, in as much as is possible, or watch our charge wither and die if we get it wrong.  I suppose my tackling of Chrono Trigger has made me more inclined to this way of thinking since it is clearly something that already exists, just not in as complete a form as it could be.  Considering everything I have to do to get this story right, (retelling the canon tale, expanding the world and the characters within, creating two new time-periods to adventure in, revamping and resolving Chrono Cross for the endgame, and staying true to the spirit of the original material) my skills as an author will be well on the way to where they need to be for me to create a completely original novel should I succeed.

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To use an analogy, I might want to run a mile in 6 minutes, but I am under no illusions that I have the ability to do so right now. I would have to train. While that require doing my best each time, if I never run a mile to begin with, I’ll never be able to run a 6 minute mile. That first mile I run will be horrible. But if I run that first mile, then run a second, then a third, I’ll improve.  But if I want to run a “perfect mile” by making sure every single step is perfect…

I'm not sure that's the greatest of analogies.  Making sure every step is perfect would be counterproductive, as only the first 20 seconds worth of steps is worth remembering for purposes of technique.  The rest is just repetition and knowing yourself well enough to know what pace you should maintain.  Besides, I would argue that the way you breathe is much more important than the way you run, but I'm just being annoying here.

So your project is delving into several different genres?  I'm beginning to see your way of thinking.  Each genre has a set of rules that are difficult to break away from.  Readers are fickle and expect certain things, and going against the grain of their expectations can be dangerous.  As an example, there was a Star Trek paperback I read some time ago that violated my expectations so completely that I never read another book written by this author.  As a fan of Star Trek I expected high adventure, ethical dilemmas, smart characters, perhaps some space battles, and most importantly: that this fictional world is a far more enlightened place than the one I myself live in.  What I got instead was a preachy treatise on psychology by the author and a set of characters so dysfunctional that they belonged in modern-day group therapy.  Reading that wasn't fun.  It was work.  I still wonder how that Psych 101 textbook got past the editors and onto a bookshelf.  I never would have cleared it.

I'm not sure what you mean by "consistent writing sessions".  I'm guessing you mean a series of sessions where I just write things down without thinking about it too much.  If so, I'll concede I did that very little, and usually only as part of a formal assignment in creative writing class.  I got nothing out of such exercises except a sore hand, when I was able to write anything at all.  It's just not in my nature to take shots in the dark on paper.  The chaos in my mind is difficult enough to deal with.  If I had to manage chaos on paper on top of that in my head, I'd never write a coherent thought.  Some people need to see that chaos written down to know what to do with it.  I can already see the chaos in my head, except written chaos is far less malleable than disjointed thoughts.  It's actually easier for me to make sense of developing narrative in my head than on paper, because what's on paper is more difficult to change into something I can work with.  This is only referring to my initial narrative process, when I'm actually crafting the story on my viewscreen piece by piece.  What I have then isn't chaos by my definition, but a working draft that represents the first out of four stages of quality for a manuscript.  It is from that where I can move out of my head more and make reasoned adjustments on what is actually written.  Scrapping problem paragraphs isn't that uncommon at this stage, but I very rarely have to scrap entire scenes.  It's mostly dealing with technique and form, rather than figuring out what shape the story should take.  In most cases I've already done that, in part because the original game gives me a path to follow.

My full writing process will take some time to explain, so I'll move the rest of this discussion to the writer's thread.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: alfadorredux on September 15, 2012, 09:15:06 am
I should probably mention in passing that part of the reason I recommended reading the comments is that a surprisingly high percentage of the commentors are successful published authors. So that thread isn't just one editor's discussion of slush, but that of several industry professionals.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: skylark on September 15, 2012, 07:08:17 pm
Okay, slightly off-topic.

What the hell happened with the forums for the past few days?

I hadn't been able to log in at all until today. Did anybody else have the same trouble?

It seems like it's okay now, but still. Thought my router crapped out on me or the site got hacked or something...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: alfadorredux on September 15, 2012, 08:12:43 pm
Judging from what I was seeing at the top of the pages for most of that time, the forum was having one of its periodic cases of the cache-related hiccups. It seems to happen a couple of times a year. Dunno what the cause is, but fixing it seems to require that Ramsus reset/stop and restart/clean out something.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: skylark on September 15, 2012, 09:09:07 pm
Judging from what I was seeing at the top of the pages for most of that time, the forum was having one of its periodic cases of the cache-related hiccups. It seems to happen a couple of times a year. Dunno what the cause is, but fixing it seems to require that Ramsus reset/stop and restart/clean out something.


Huh. So this is normal, then?

Well, not normal, but you get what I mean.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on September 16, 2012, 06:13:12 am
Not "normal" per se, but like alfadorredux said it does happen a few times a year.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: utunnels on September 28, 2012, 03:13:56 am
Caught a cold  so couldn't sleep well last night. Every 1 or 2 hours I woke up and drank some water to wet my throat. So now I'm feeling very drowsy and my nose and eyes are like burning.

 :picardno
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on September 28, 2012, 10:40:47 am
That sucks.  ><  I just got better from a cold a few days ago.  It started out as a cold, then turned into a nightmare with a sore throat, nausea, and a high fever.  I hope that doesn't happen to you, and I hope you get better soon.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: utunnels on September 28, 2012, 10:01:11 pm
Thank you.
It is just too tissue consuming I guess. >_>
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Ninja 4 Hire on September 29, 2012, 12:58:18 pm
Ingrown toenails. They hurt...bad.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Kodokami on October 22, 2012, 07:06:48 pm
Phew. Been real busy lately. Sorry for not posting much. Gonna be doing my best to keep up here this next month.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on November 09, 2012, 04:41:24 pm
I've been working my ass off for years, working several times harder than any normal person in order to develop myself as much as I can, intellectually (in various modes), personality wise, and especially linguistically. So, I took another test for Dyslexia to see how much I've progressed, and...

....I still freaking have it present, hindering my learning capabilities. *sigh*

Screw life. 
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Radical_Dreamer on December 02, 2012, 09:56:02 pm
It's time to revisit a very ugly period of my life. There's no guarantee that this will make anything better for me, or worse for the individual who caused me such harm. But I must do it anyway.

I hate that I'm in the position I'm in. I hate every part of it.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: utunnels on December 17, 2012, 08:43:55 pm
Now doomsday rumour should be responsible for everything. (http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1107224/henan-slasher-suspect-min-yongjun-influenced-doomsday-rumours)
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on December 26, 2012, 02:46:14 pm
Mom. Chronic Glaucoma...

....
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on February 11, 2013, 02:26:00 am
I am less hateful about this than I am more frightened.

One of my younger cousins is displaying lack of empathy, and more traits of developed psychopathy.

I say "Psychopathy" rather than "Sociopathy" because the child's parents are good people, and I see very few errors in their teaching methods. But there's no denying that the environment has had a play in developing his traits. Of course, my brother and other parents around him inform the child's parents to "hit him for misbehaving" (because they are idiots) and being as much authoritarian as possible so as to cripple his will (again, because they are idiots), but that would only help progress the destructive attributes he already possesses.

I have tried in bringing stability into the child's character, and have succeeded in some ways, but I alone cannot eclipse what the environment stimulates in him.

If my beliefs are true, I will prevail in proving that sociopaths aren't exactly "monsters", but only individuals with a specific mental illness that can be cured for the betterment of society. This is going to put all my ability and knowledge and potential to test, and I may have to find professional help eventually.

That said, the child and I actually have an incredibly bonding like no other. He looks up to me as a role model, and this raises my self-expectations to help model the child into a better person.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on February 23, 2013, 01:58:53 pm
Can't get Tourist's Visa because I'm not wealthy enough (even if someone's actually "sponsoring" me).

....

I'm tired of the world being run by "money" alone... You need money to "earn" money. I can understand that you need money to travel, but you also apparently need money to prove that you're travelling, and you need money to get money to buy that proof too. And you need money to purchase buying privileges

Though, it's not the world entirely that's at fault; I do blame most Indians who forced these rules and regulations to such severity into being (and these Indians did that by actually breaking the law). When you have money, you're elevated; when you don't, no matter how accomplished or honest you are, suddenly you're surrounded by concrete walls from all sides. It feels suffocating enough to "live" like that.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: WerderChile on February 23, 2013, 02:31:22 pm
I hate don't have enough time to do things!  :o
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: milkjamjuice on February 24, 2013, 10:26:31 am
I hate don't have enough time to do things!  :o

Word.  That and personally, my time management is AWFUL.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on March 08, 2013, 02:09:00 pm
I happened to see a scoring document for a medical school. This is what their admission committee uses for ranking applicants. They had things broken down, with certain traits or accomplishments garnering certain points (med schools like accepting doctors from underprivileged backgrounds, so, for example, you got more points if neither of your parents completed high school than if only one of them did, and more than if both of them did).

Having a Ph.D. was listed. It was "worth" as much as being the president of a major student organization in undergrad. A good letter of recommendation was worth more.

To be clear, being smarter than the entire admissions committee combined wasn't considered to be very valuable. Yeah, the medical profession is reeeeaaaaally great.

M.D./Ph.D. doctors are the absolute best kind of doctors, far better than regular M.D.'s Medschools should be shitting their pants when a Ph.D. applies to their program.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on March 12, 2013, 04:46:15 pm
Having a Ph.D. was listed. It was "worth" as much as being the president of a major student organization in undergrad. A good letter of recommendation was worth more.

To be clear, being smarter than the entire admissions committee combined wasn't considered to be very valuable. Yeah, the medical profession is reeeeaaaaally great.

Take a trip to India once a while. It's worse: though your scores matter, medical colleges will barely admit you in unless an unreasonable amount of "donation" or bribe is given. It doesn't even matter if you're a highly qualified Bachelors (above all other fellow students), or whatever.

Most parents who raise these brilliant children function at 15k to 30k income per month (with barely enough for savings, unless you moderate your expenditures really well). The illegal donations? They rise up to over 10,000,000 Rs per admission...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Lennis on April 18, 2013, 04:24:02 am
I hate terrorists.  I hate their arrogance.  I hate their cowardice.  I hate their petty acts of vengeance.  I hate them for the lives they destroy in their fruitless quest for relevance.  Most of all, I hate them for the fact that they will continue to exist thanks to a world devoid of empathy and reason.

 :picardno
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on April 18, 2013, 06:49:30 am
I hate terrorists.  I hate their arrogance.  I hate their cowardice.  I hate their petty acts of vengeance.  I hate them for the lives they destroy in their fruitless quest for relevance.  Most of all, I hate them for the fact that they will continue to exist thanks to a world devoid of empathy and reason.

 :picardno
On another note: A U.S. Bombing kills 30 civilians in Afghanistan.  (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-125820/US-bomb-kills-30-Afghan-wedding.html)

Yup, we all hate terrorists. But wouldn't these civilians now think that the "First World leaders", like the Americas, are terrorists they need to "eradicate"?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Thought on April 18, 2013, 12:25:54 pm
While it might be pointless academic dithering for those who are dead and suffering from that 11-year old Afghanistan bombing, the two events aren't comparable. "Terrorist attacks" specifically are targeted at civilians and at eroding a people's sense of peace and safety. The Boston bombing seems to fit that bill, while the Afghanistan one you noted, Tush, doesn't. Certainly the civilians might think that the American leaders are terrorists, but they would be wrong.

Attrition is not terrorism. Attrition is still wrong and should be avoided, but its a different problem with different solutions. Conflating the two serves no purpose.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on April 18, 2013, 01:14:16 pm
While it might be pointless academic dithering for those who are dead and suffering from that 11-year old Afghanistan bombing, the two events aren't comparable. "Terrorist attacks" specifically are targeted at civilians and at eroding a people's sense of peace and safety. The Boston bombing seems to fit that bill, while the Afghanistan one you noted, Tush, doesn't. Certainly the civilians might think that the American leaders are terrorists, but they would be wrong.

Attrition is not terrorism. Attrition is still wrong and should be avoided, but its a different problem with different solutions. Conflating the two serves no purpose.
I completely understand in that abstract sense. :)

However, remember that I'm speaking from the POV of the Afghan civilians (and if I were to speak from the POV for the survivors at Boston, or U.S. in general, then obviously the stated opinions would be the same as Lennis'). To the Afghans, attrition or terrorism, lives were lost nonetheless. People are dead. Grief reigns. And the one who caused it all was the U.S. Military.

You cannot deny that the world is judged by the sentiments of each individual that in influenced by the situations in their life. If a car ran over a pedestrian and killed them, whether maliciously or simply out of accident, the driver would still be blamed for being irresponsible because a life was lost because of their actions.

The survivors of the Afghans who perished due to a "missed target"? They would feel they have every reason to hate America now, and you can't even blame them for it, even if I were to agree with you right now.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on May 14, 2013, 07:21:01 am
I might have the best ideas for soundtracks and music, but I totally can't "create" them, even with the best tools at hand.

Musical competency? I has not.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on July 17, 2013, 10:14:10 am
People who make excuses for sexual violence infuriate me.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: utunnels on July 17, 2013, 09:29:06 pm
I might have the best ideas for soundtracks and music, but I totally can't "create" them, even with the best tools at hand.

Musical competency? I has not.

Artist / Musician, nothing can beat this dual class combination.  XD
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Sajainta on July 17, 2013, 10:06:50 pm
I might have the best ideas for soundtracks and music, but I totally can't "create" them, even with the best tools at hand.

Musical competency? I has not.

I get that, except replace "soundtracks and music" with "drawings."  I can barely draw stick figures, and it's so frustrating because I have all these wonderful ideas for art in my head (usually based on dreams) and I can't get transfer them onto paper.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Acacia Sgt on July 18, 2013, 02:17:13 am
Reminds me of that similar problem I have with writing. Many ideas cross my head, but I just can't seem to be able to flesh them out into an actual story.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on July 18, 2013, 10:43:15 am
I might have the best ideas for soundtracks and music, but I totally can't "create" them, even with the best tools at hand.

Musical competency? I has not.

Artist / Musician, nothing can beat this dual class combination.  XD
Unfortunately, I'll need to heavily rely on muscle memory for this (I can't read a jack on music sheets). XD I should REALLY get myself a piano and practice all day on it. It's indispensable for an indie-artist.

Music relies on "flow" and "muscle-memory", the dexterity of which I have a hard time grasping. But for drawing / art, rather than the flow, it's "abstract perspective" that's required first and foremost. And for writing, you need a bit of both: the FLOW of music (for fleshing out) and the ABSTRACT perspective of art (for the beginning "skeleton"). In which case...



I get that, except replace "soundtracks and music" with "drawings."  I can barely draw stick figures, and it's so frustrating because I have all these wonderful ideas for art in my head (usually based on dreams) and I can't get transfer them onto paper.
I could actually teach you! Or better yet, you might want to find a local artist who can teach you in person.

Or in case you can't get someone to get you up to speed on the basics, I'd greatly recommend watching Youtube just to see how these artists do what they do (tip: when in abstract, at the first stages never focus on details; just the composition. Details come later. Work your way from big to small)

Here's some of the best links I've known:

1) *You just can't live without Bob Ross -- The Joy of Painting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7idELSC-sg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NMyeSBYpb0

2) Youtube also has an auto-generated channel for Painting (http://www.youtube.com/channel/HCErD7fWYnm4k); great source from multiple artists!
http://youtu.be/7aeIpW0Tkvc <----- Simple and inspiring video by bubzbeauty (great to start with)
http://youtu.be/9RgLHG2hWi0 <----- And another one.
http://youtu.be/WlSBKobJsfM <----- Dragon vs Viking oil-painting technique, by Jeff Miracola, has been my most ABSOLUTE FAVOURITE tutorial by far! And to say he made such a great interpretation of his son's short-story!
http://youtu.be/CiDEj7WEZoI <------- Lachri's surrealism beauty; begins with simple and ends with awesome.
http://youtu.be/YpK_UFzpQfs <------ Of course, if you've no plans or ideas to start with, you could always just go for "automatic drawing" sessions out of random whims!

3) And then there's Art Apprentices (https://www.youtube.com/user/aaoart), great for beginners and intermediates alike.

4) Jason Bowen (https://www.youtube.com/user/J123WB?feature=watch) has excellent tutorials on landscape painting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHxcDB9TBHs

5) If all you've got is a pencil, then Mark Crilley (author of Brody's Ghost) (https://www.youtube.com/user/markcrilley) has got you covered!
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCD2CF65888663986  <------- That's the whole "How To" playlist of his.
http://youtu.be/SCW9D2GytHo <------- 1-point perspective Background Tutorial
http://youtu.be/bBoa8TAy65s
http://youtu.be/rSIdwDIAVBw

6) Mural Joe (https://www.youtube.com/user/muraljoe) also has some great time-lapse videos of his, well, murals and stuff! He also explains his works pretty well.
http://youtu.be/UuVnK2FnrJE <------ here's him airbrushing flames.

7) Darryn James Rae (Reart) is a CRAZY fellow (https://www.youtube.com/user/raeart)! He can not only come up with the craziest ideas for Abstract Art and how to paint them (hint: like, "sticking nickels on a canvas" or stuff), but will also show you HOW he does it! And before you know it, his nonsense suddenly begins to make sense to you. Chick out some of his videos here:
http://youtu.be/NDKm9BOwnHM  <---- In this video, he asks you to get any stuff that's laying around your house... and stick it to your canvas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrMYSc7qXEQ <--------- A speed-up of one of his murals.

8 ) Igor Saharov (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-z-XDG6SnfaBLDDxRplN4A) is also a great source if you just want to watch the process of painting, as opposed to tutorials: http://youtu.be/dkxG3CBdUdo

9) And for a synesthete as you, how could I go without recommending Voka's surrealism (http://www.youtube.com/user/artvoka)?
http://youtu.be/f56WNu4T2aY
http://youtu.be/HviaL11bnQk

10) And if you're in the mood for the HARD way, the ZEN way, what better than the masters of Sumi-E Ink-Wash technique? Like Kazu Shimura? (https://www.youtube.com/user/kazushimura) Or even Virginia Lloyd-Davies (https://www.youtube.com/user/virginiald?feature=watch)?
(Note: The essence of Sumi-E is not to capture the surface details of what you see or imagine, but the essence and soul of it, stripped away from the unwanted to preserve its identity.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0ljeeZJcRA <------ This is just the preparation of the ink.
http://youtu.be/Ri-LEBbDJP4 <------ Painting a sparrow, with nothing more than black ink.
http://youtu.be/cr6HEm_kkPM <------ Virginia really hits a point home; that there can be more meaning in a brush-stroke, than there should be more brush-strokes in a meaning.

11) Some more great tutorial sources...
Painting and Drawing channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/paintinganddrawing
Gagnon Studio (next best thing after Bob Ross):   http://www.youtube.com/Gagnonstudio    http://www.timgagnonstudio.com/lessons/

Also, don't forget the music! https://www.youtube.com/user/KacskaTB


If neither of these hit the mark, let me know: what kind of style do you wish to learn? I can help with that.

Of course, you could completely ditch tutorials altogether and go for experimentalism; i.e., teaching yourself via trial and error. Just keep in mind that, as Bob Ross puts it, when it comes to art there are no mistakes, just happy accidents. Honestly, the best way one could ever learn painting well is by thinking like a child, playing around and making random mess and chaos. Think about it; what's more fun than that? And besides, just the process of painting can actually be a great meditative experience. As Picasso puts it, painting helps clean your soul of the dust of everyday life.

So don't worry about failures, and just enjoy yourself! :)

*Note: Bob Ross videos actually come as a collection DVD set. Most of the videos on Youtube are de-centralized, so you're more likely to hunt for it than have a specific channel, save for a few like BobRossClips (https://www.youtube.com/user/BobRossclips?feature=watch).



Reminds me of that similar problem I have with writing. Many ideas cross my head, but I just can't seem to be able to flesh them out into an actual story.

Haha! This reminds me of the old saying: the ideas that cross your head are usually just a fragment puzzle piece of a greater picture.

Now, the process of writing is even more complex than actual painting, and the styles and approaches are various. What kind of style suits you? Plot-driven or character-driven? What sort of feel do you wish to give with your work? What do kind of things do you want to convey?

The trick is to just not worry about it (part of the reason why I never get anything done is because I worry too much), unless the stress is actually positive enough to drive you to work on it with energetic anticipation.

Depending on what you need, I think I can help! Planning on writing a short-story? How do you normally work on it?
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Acacia Sgt on July 18, 2013, 04:24:01 pm
Reminds me of that similar problem I have with writing. Many ideas cross my head, but I just can't seem to be able to flesh them out into an actual story.

Haha! This reminds me of the old saying: the ideas that cross your head are usually just a fragment puzzle piece of a greater picture.

Now, the process of writing is even more complex than actual painting, and the styles and approaches are various. What kind of style suits you? Plot-driven or character-driven? What sort of feel do you wish to give with your work? What do kind of things do you want to convey?

The trick is to just not worry about it (part of the reason why I never get anything done is because I worry too much), unless the stress is actually positive enough to drive you to work on it with energetic anticipation.

Depending on what you need, I think I can help! Planning on writing a short-story? How do you normally work on it?

Well, to be honest, I haven't been able to dedicate much time to it since school started to overwhelm me since I entered College, and those sort of questions... to be honest, I'm not really good at defining this sort of things, as pathetic as it may sound.

Haha, I suppose that is one of my faults. I do worry about how it may turn out, and in result, I don't quite "find" a suitable way to write it down.

Well, usually what comes first is just key stuff, so to speak. Like, pick a stray idea or two, then see what I can do to expand upon it. That can lead to having general ideas waiting to be connected by fleshing them out, and that's where it usually stumps me.
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on July 18, 2013, 10:04:37 pm
Well, to be honest, I haven't been able to dedicate much time to it since school started to overwhelm me since I entered College, and those sort of questions... to be honest, I'm not really good at defining this sort of things, as pathetic as it may sound.
Lack of time has always been a problem. You might wanna try figuring out how you could take a few spare moments a day to work on it. Or perhaps, a whole weekend? xD I realize it can be troublesome plan things out, but I think it's always worth it.

As far as those questions go, don't worry about it. We'll dabble with those in detail later, but here's just the basics you ought to know:

Stories usually require three things: Plot, Settings and Characters. However, writers have their own way of figuring out which one weighs most, simply because of either requirements or their own methods of working / thinking. So a primary dichotomy of writing techniques include:

1) Plot-driven: Basically, you are the GOD of the story, so what goes is all that you decide. Your characters are just actors, and you're the director; you judge which action should go where, and you take complete control of the flow and details. This can be tedious and takes a lot of energy if not done right.

2) Character-driven: You just create setting, a simple plot for the characters to follow, and bestow "free will" upon those characters. These characters, then, will have lives of their own and forge their own fate, take their own decisions regardless of what you, as their God, want them to do; they wouldn't care about the voice in the sky, and will interpret you as they desire. This is, by far, the easiest writing technique as it allows you to fly with your words without needing any control, and the characters you flesh out tend to be more vibrant than plot-driven stories.

So basically, Plot-driven stories require thorough outlines, while character-driven stories are often good for automatic writing, where you figure out the plot as you go. Of course, character-driven plots tend to be the messiest, but that's a good thing in a way; you get things "done", and you save the criticisms and editing process for later.

I personally have a balance of both.  :)

Haha, I suppose that is one of my faults. I do worry about how it may turn out, and in result, I don't quite "find" a suitable way to write it down.
Ahah! There we go!

I can only give you this advice, which comes from Bob Ross (again): "There are no mistakes; just happy accidents." This comes from the idea that, when Bob Ross makes a mistake of accidentally using the wrong paint and badly smearing it across the canvas, even that error might make you think out of the box and see the mistake as an opportunity, a clue, to something completely unpredictable but a worthwhile reward. That is, turning that smear into an aurora, or vines, or a train of grasses, etc. Creativity never has limits!

In other words, don't worry about how it'll turn out, because you don't have to publish it immediately. Simply because even the crappiest idea you put down on paper is likely to spark ingenuity within you to flesh even that out into something more beautiful. Because it might be just an out-of-the-ordinary poke by your muse, giving you a clue that something interesting lies beyond the horizon, where you can't see anything yet.

So what'chy waiting for? The muse calls, buddy! Go and play with her!

Well, usually what comes first is just key stuff, so to speak. Like, pick a stray idea or two, then see what I can do to expand upon it. That can lead to having general ideas waiting to be connected by fleshing them out, and that's where it usually stumps me.
Hah! You know what this calls for? Meditation! :D

Tell you what; take some time off early in the morning (like, REALLY early), take your notepad and pen, go off somewhere isolated and just... sit there. Or better yet (as I do), just walk. Just keep thinking about this one idea you have. Don't be in a hurry to write it quickly. Just soak it it. Just try to absorb it, and think about it with a clearer mind. Daydream. Get really bored. But think. Passionately.

You'd be surprised how much you're able to nurture that one idea into creating roots and foundations in your mind.

Once that's done, now you must write. Scribble everything. Make connections. Join the dots. Write your feeling. Make a mess!

And despite all that effort, it might still not be a story. XD But it's still pretty fun doing it. Why? Because you've just captured the very soul of the idea and story that you could create! The next step, of course, is to create characters and plot that represent it. Think like an artist: what symbolisms you could use? How could they play, as props, no a stage?

I think you'd have plenty of fun giving your mind some free reins on this. This just a way I usually begin my projects, though I'm not quite sure how your mind works when it comes to these things. I can only suggest experimenting and having as much fun as you can!
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Manly Man on July 19, 2013, 04:06:22 am
Lack of time has always been a problem.

I realize that this isn't going to deliver anything of real meaning, but I can't help myself; hearing people on this site talk about amounts of time insufficient for them to get things done just amuses me to no end. With how much we know about the series, you'd think that time travel would be a snap for us or something! Just need to mug PSZ and take that damn pendant, then I might have a shot...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: Acacia Sgt on July 20, 2013, 01:09:57 am
That's some very sound advice, Tushantin. Probably soon enough when my time gets some rest from school-stuff I could start. In fact, I have an idea I could use. It's not that big and simple enough... hmm...
Title: Re: Stuff you hate
Post by: tushantin on August 05, 2013, 08:59:39 am
This is less of a "Stuff I hate" and more of a "stuff I'm sad about".

So, my first ever Android smartphone just died. It was my first love too! It was just injured when I had been holding it gently, and I thought a little treatment by specialists could make her all better again. I had hope.

Turns out, it was those specialists that ended up killing her.

Just goes to show that sometimes you can't trust engineers out and about; you just have to go the hard way and learn mechanics and tech-repairs and maintenances on your own. Because your dear tech's life is more important than anything. And now the dear phone is dead....

RIP, old used HTC Desire... Barely knew ye. You have served me more than anything in this world ever could. I appreciate that very much, and I will miss your resourcefulness...