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Enhasa Halls - Chrono Series Analysis => Characters, Plot, and Themes => Topic started by: Legend of the Past on March 26, 2006, 01:25:02 pm
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Somehow, I feel most people don't take Harle for what she really is. She's a much deeper character then people would realize.
Firstly, many people debate that she is another clone of Schala. That makes sense because of a few reasons:
1. She gets the same fortune telling as Kid, a comfirmed clone.
2. She was made by the Dragons. Now, the Dragons had access to only three life forms: One is Lavos. Making a Lavoid clone would totally mess up their plan, because FATE would have it terminated at once. Same for a Dragon clone, once FATE realizes there's another Dragon, she'd of had it killed. Hence you only have a human left. That human is Schala, the only human the Dragons had access to.
Now, another matter is how deep she is. Her situation is a very painful one: She's a Dragon AND a human. She's half and half of two races that cannot co-exist, thus she has an internal conflict. There's also the matter of Serge-she cannot disobey the Dragons, but she loves him profoundly. That's why if you choose to say you'd choose her over the world, she won't believe you. She ridicules herself and hates herself very, very much. To her, her very life is a joke. That's why she's dressed as a jester, she doesn't just want to hide her identity, she thinks of herself as a person cursed by destiny. Either way she cannot win, and every true emotion she might have at anyone won't matter. Fate mocks her, and that's why she dresses up as a clown.
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this is interesting because i never really kno the backround of Harle
a couple questions for u or any1 else if u could answer them . . .
so she COULD be a clone of Schala, do u think she is?
wat was her purpose again for being created and sent out?
y does she love Serge so much?
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Her lack of faith is disturbing though. She was created by the Dragons, but she's not mind-controlled by them like Lynx is mind-controlled by FATE. She could have rebelled against the Dragons, revealed the truth early to Serge, and join him! Her mission was to free the Dragons, well if she would disobey then the Dragons wouldn't be freed: either they wouldn't be able to do anything against her (since they're sealed), or they would be able to for some reason but Serge would help Harle fight them...
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It's not unlikely to assume that Harle has some link with the Dragons. Not mind controlled, no. Then again, it might have been in her nature from her 'birth'-Never disobey the Dragons.
so she COULD be a clone of Schala, do u think she is?
Certainly. If you connect the evidence and work with logic, it makes perfect sense. Up to you to believe it, but there is also the fact they have the same height (Though that could be coinsidence) and their bodies seem somewhat alike as in hip size, they're both slender, etc etc.
wat was her purpose again for being created and sent out?
Take the Flame from FATE once she falls so the humans once She (FATE) falls.
y does she love Serge so much?
Could be just random love. But it could be she feels compassion for him, him being a pawn of Lavos, like her. Of course, if the Dragons had some kind of personality traits injected into her when she was born, it's not unlikely that they made her feel love for Serge. If the Dragons gave that specific command is anyone's guess.
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I personally think Harle loves Serge because he's the only person who ever cared about her, or even gave two licks of a camel's tongue about her as a person instead of her as a tool.
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this is becoming more clearer, thanks a lot Legend
1 more question if u can . . . in CC, Harle seemed to hav some relation to that new red moon next our regular moon
this is somethin i had trouble understanding . . . but i think i jus didn't let it bother me as soon as she left my party on Fargo's ship
wat was the connection with Harle and the "dark moon" again?
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I personally think Harle loves Serge because he's the only person who ever cared about her, or even gave two licks of a camel's tongue about her as a person instead of her as a tool.
Yes, I think it may be that way too.
this is becoming more clearer, thanks a lot Legend
1 more question if u can . . . in CC, Harle seemed to hav some relation to that new red moon next our regular moon
this is somethin i had trouble understanding . . . but i think i jus didn't let it bother me as soon as she left my party on Fargo's ship
wat was the connection with Harle and the "dark moon" again?
Harle is the Dragon of The Dark Moon. You see, there never was a dark moon. It was either her creation that made it come into existance, or that when Dinopolis came into our world, until Harle was created, the moon was invisible. Personally, I think it appeared when Harle was created, and may be an image from Dinopolis, but did not come with Dinopolis. Otherwise that means Dinopolis would have come into our world with not only itself, but it's sea, it's sky and space to have a moon, and if the moon reflects their dimension, then the red glow could be reflecting off their surface, as if the reptitie dimension is in chaos.
Eitherway, she is Dark Moon Dragon and she has some relation to it, down to her powers.
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Harle has actually always been my favorite chatacter in CC, for those very reasons. She IS a deep character, possibly the deepest. Everyone else's emotion's are more or less traightforward, whereas Harle's are usually masked, but you can read them if you really look into it.
Jus out of curiosity, could someone tell me how she speaks in the Japanese verson? I'm not really sure how you make someone sound "french" through japanese text, although I'm assuming she doesn't even have a "french" personality in that version.
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Harle is the Dragon of The Dark Moon. You see, there never was a dark moon. It was either her creation that made it come into existance, or that when Dinopolis came into our world, until Harle was created, the moon was invisible.
Seeing as how you never see the CC world prior to Harle's creation, this theory holds no relevence, because there is abosloutoly NO evidence that supports it. Unless you have some way to prove you're an authority over the plot of Chrono... And I'm talking Kato level.
Harle is the Dragon of the Dark Moon. She uses powers that are symoblic to it, but Harle isn't dependent on the moon, and nor is the moon dependent on her. Saying she draws power from it is false- it only appears at night, and Harle can still use all her Techs during day time as well. One could argue that although it's not visible, the Dark Moon is still there. Now, take for example the Fire Dragon- He uses fire, but once you kill him (As both the Dragon and the Dragon God), there is still fire in the world. And fire was very much visible before his arrival at CC's dimesnion. Same for Harle-she uses powers symbolic to those of the moon, but she doesn't draw power from it (How can you draw power from a MOON? It's not a source of energy) but if the moon would ever disappear, I doubt it would mean instant death for her.
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Now, take for example the Fire Dragon- He uses fire, but once you kill him (As both the Dragon and the Dragon God), there is still fire in the world.
Technically, the Dragon God was only destroyed along with the Time Devourer when Serge used the Chrono Cross.
Obviously, the Dragons harness the forces of nature, but they are not the source of those forces. It is also doubtful that the Dragons have any connection to the astronomical objects they are associated with.
A valid question would be whether the Elements continue to function after the Dragon God is destroyed.
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Seeing as they functioned BEFORE he came to the dimension, I can take a guess and say they would function AFTER he dies.
Also note the true Dragon God doesn't really exist in the dimension, only the Tesseract. Hence, he should have no effect over the planets that represent it.
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That's why I said that the Moon must have either come into existance when Dinopolis came or when Harle was created, since it didn't exist there in CT, nor in Belthasar's dimension, and as I said earlier, it'd be very strange if Terra Tower and it's moon came to us, without the land or sea doing so aswell...
Also, I had always thought that the FMV of Harle jumping out of the moon or whatever in the begining (not literally but symbolically) meant something. Like if that was 1006AD, on the night of the storm, I'd imagine Harle to appear out of some dark vortex, and since she has relevance to that moon, it'd look as if shes appearing from it, which might be true since they're both connected somehow.
The thing here is that even though she is called the 7th, missing Dark Dragon of the Moon, it's not as if it's explained any furthur as to how that makes her special, or why she is so tied up in it.
Though, I never said she was dependant on it. I did once think that the moon was her representation in the world, like those stars and normal moon.
But one thing for sure, the Dragons are the incarnations of the Planet's power. And they are from the Reptite Dimension. Heck, The Dark Moon may be reflecting the Reptite Dimension and how it is in chaos without the Dragon God if it was to be a projection.
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That's why I said that the Moon must have either come into existance when Dinopolis came or when Harle was created, since it didn't exist there in CT, nor in Belthasar's dimension, and as I said earlier, it'd be very strange if Terra Tower and it's moon came to us, without the land or sea doing so aswell...
OR it just came in 12,000 B.C., roughly 5000 years after Belthasar had been in Zeal. It wasn't in CT because Dinopolis never arrived, and Dinopolis' arrival dragged the Dark Moon from the Reptite Dimension.
Also, I had always thought that the FMV of Harle jumping out of the moon or whatever in the begining (not literally but symbolically) meant something. Like if that was 1006AD, on the night of the storm, I'd imagine Harle to appear out of some dark vortex, and since she has relevance to that moon, it'd look as if shes appearing from it, which might be true since they're both connected somehow.
This is in fact a personal matter, how Harle appeared. I would imagine her sort of phasing into reality, with an 18 year old body, naked. She might have come into existence through a vortex, too. But, if you look at why I theorised she wears a costume, you'll see she coulden't have jumped off with her Jester clothes on. Keep in mind, that part wasn't in the game, and you see the regular moon in the background, not the Dark Moon.
But one thing for sure, the Dragons are the incarnations of the Planet's power. And they are from the Reptite Dimension. Heck, The Dark Moon may be reflecting the Reptite Dimension and how it is in chaos without the Dragon God if it was to be a projection.
Not quiet. They're not an incarnation, they're a weapon. They control the elements, using nature, mother earth, to strike their foes down. Now, the Dark Moon could of just gotten dragged into the Dimension along with Dinopolis when the Planet sent them to 7600 B.C.
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i like both theories and ideas
i agree with the part in which Harle simply didn't come out of a vortex dressed as a Jester
but if u go back up to Legend's first post, it does make a lot of sense on how she would be such a pitied character because of her purpose on this world
if she was created, when and where being unknown, she would've come out like the Terminator or the T-X :) ....yea anyways, i mean right?
perhaps Harle will return in the next Chrono game??
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I think Harle is the most interesting character in CC because he past is so shadowed and so are her motives. She's liked for the same reason that Magus is liked in CT because very little is known about their history and can be completely up to interpretation.
Personally when I played the game, I got the impression that she was a creation by the dragon gods during the storm so that they could have someone on the other side working to release them.
As for the dark moon, I always thought that its orbit made it so that it was always behind the white moon, and during the time of CC, the orbital position was such that the dark moon could now be visible.
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I think Harle is the most interesting character in CC because he past is so shadowed and so are her motives. She's liked for the same reason that Magus is liked in CT because very little is known about their history and can be completely up to interpretation.
Personally when I played the game, I got the impression that she was a creation by the dragon gods during the storm so that they could have someone on the other side working to release them.
As for the dark moon, I always thought that its orbit made it so that it was always behind the white moon, and during the time of CC, the orbital position was such that the dark moon could now be visible.
The only thing here is that Belthasar said that it never existed in his world, which would mean it wasn't there in 2300AD, or in 12,000BC. But he also says that "What was once lost had been found". So I'm getting the impression that only when Harle was created did the Moon come into our dimension to counterbalance her or something. Like I said, if Terra Tower comes, it's totally unnatural for a moon to randomly come. If Chronopolis comes, Dinopolis comes. There is nothing else that came to counter the moon. So if Terra Tower came with the moon, then so would the sea, the land, those other little towers etc. But if it is like the script said that the planet had and only brought in Dinopolis to counter Chronopolis, then thats all that it did.
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But I still don't understand how that fits "What once was lost"
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The only thing here is that Belthasar said that it never existed in his world, which would mean it wasn't there in 2300AD, or in 12,000BC.
Because both timescapes were before the Time Crash.
"What was once lost had been found"
Like the second moon
that once was lost,
but later was found...
He meant it was lost from the Reptites' dimension and later found in the Humans' dimension.
if Terra Tower came with the moon, then so would the sea, the land, those other little towers etc. But if it is like the script said that the planet had and only brought in Dinopolis to counter Chronopolis, then thats all that it did.
Maybe the Planet CAN'T make that much matter pass?
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Add Gaea's Navel in the equation and you get something really mysterious and complicated.
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The only thing here is that Belthasar said that it never existed in his world, which would mean it wasn't there in 2300AD, or in 12,000BC.
Because both timescapes were before the Time Crash.
"What was once lost had been found"
Like the second moon
that once was lost,
but later was found...
He meant it was lost from the Reptites' dimension and later found in the Humans' dimension.
if Terra Tower came with the moon, then so would the sea, the land, those other little towers etc. But if it is like the script said that the planet had and only brought in Dinopolis to counter Chronopolis, then thats all that it did.
Maybe the Planet CAN'T make that much matter pass?
Yeah, but it cant just randomly bring in a moon. And anyway, that was what I meant. Till Harle was created, the moon probably didn't appear.
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The only thing here is that Belthasar said that it never existed in his world, which would mean it wasn't there in 2300AD, or in 12,000BC.
Because both timescapes were before the Time Crash.
"What was once lost had been found"
Like the second moon
that once was lost,
but later was found...
He meant it was lost from the Reptites' dimension and later found in the Humans' dimension.
if Terra Tower came with the moon, then so would the sea, the land, those other little towers etc. But if it is like the script said that the planet had and only brought in Dinopolis to counter Chronopolis, then thats all that it did.
Maybe the Planet CAN'T make that much matter pass?
Yeah, but it cant just randomly bring in a moon. And anyway, that was what I meant. Till Harle was created, the moon probably didn't appear.
I never said that. The moon was there before Harle appeared, and would stay there after and if she dies, because life-forms have no control over celestial bodies. God, even Lavos coulden't do that. Think for a moment, WHY should the moon appear when it's Dragon is born? That points to it that the moon is dependent upon Harle, which was agreed it isn't. Belthasar never saw it before because in all other timescapes he was BEFORE the Time Crash. Dinopolis just dragged one of the moons, somehow.
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Add Gaea's Navel in the equation and you get something really mysterious and complicated.
most interesting
in Chronopolis, when u stood on the map projection . . . that island remained there untouched as you saw the formation of the El Nido islands over the years
any significance?
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The only thing here is that Belthasar said that it never existed in his world, which would mean it wasn't there in 2300AD, or in 12,000BC.
Because both timescapes were before the Time Crash.
"What was once lost had been found"
Like the second moon
that once was lost,
but later was found...
He meant it was lost from the Reptites' dimension and later found in the Humans' dimension.
if Terra Tower came with the moon, then so would the sea, the land, those other little towers etc. But if it is like the script said that the planet had and only brought in Dinopolis to counter Chronopolis, then thats all that it did.
Maybe the Planet CAN'T make that much matter pass?
Yeah, but it cant just randomly bring in a moon. And anyway, that was what I meant. Till Harle was created, the moon probably didn't appear.
I never said that. The moon was there before Harle appeared, and would stay there after and if she dies, because life-forms have no control over celestial bodies. God, even Lavos coulden't do that. Think for a moment, WHY should the moon appear when it's Dragon is born? That points to it that the moon is dependent upon Harle, which was agreed it isn't. Belthasar never saw it before because in all other timescapes he was BEFORE the Time Crash. Dinopolis just dragged one of the moons, somehow.
Dinopolis had no moon around it when we saw it. The moon must have come in later. Taking the moon out with Dinopolis distrupts the equal exchance. Chronopolis coming and and Dinopolis couterbalancing. Chronopolis coming in with Dinopolis coming in and a moon to counterbalance is stupid.
And the moon simply appearing because of Harle does not mean it's dependant. It may be only a projection, and dissapear when the Dragon God is gone. Heck, the Dark Moon could be the Dragon God's celestial body, but Harle took it as her own when she was created by the other 6 dragons.
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Dinopolis had no moon around it when we saw it. The moon must have come in later. Taking the moon out with Dinopolis distrupts the equal exchance. Chronopolis coming and and Dinopolis couterbalancing. Chronopolis coming in with Dinopolis coming in and a moon to counterbalance is stupid.
And the moon simply appearing because of Harle does not mean it's dependant. It may be only a projection, and dissapear when the Dragon God is gone. Heck, the Dark Moon could be the Dragon God's celestial body, but Harle took it as her own when she was created by the other 6 dragons.
:? ? There were no moon above Dinopolis because it was the day...
Also, please explain your "Dragon God's celestial body" theory? The Dragonians created a plasma machine on the planet, not a gigantic piece of rock in the moon's orbit...
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Well, I was simply meaning that Harle is the combination of all the Dragons, so she is literally the Dragon God. And the moon could be there because she appeared, and that 7th moon represents the final combination of all the dragons, and Harle is that motif for it too. Just like the Dragon God split into 6 elements and each had a celestial body, what Belthasar could have meant by "what was once lost had now been found" could refer to the Dragon God being split (which happened) but then being recombined in the form of Harle, who would do her job to free the others.
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Harle really isn't the combination of the entire sum of the dragons, since they co-exist at the same time. So she's not exactly the Dragon God, so much as she is...
Let's put it this way: You have all the Dragons, but you still have once piece that links them all together. Like a certain piece of machinery that connects everything else. Harle is that piece.
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Well, I was simply meaning that Harle is the combination of all the Dragons, so she is literally the Dragon God.
Ridiciolous. If she were all the Dragons, and a free Dragon at that, she could defeat FATE herself. Stop looking at that one unexplained quote as the basis of every theory. So far, you've brought two different theories, but they can't be both based on the same line.
Harle is the Dragon of the Dark Moon. I believe she did NOT merge with the Dragons, because the original Dragon God didn't have Harle, and you can't put 7 pounds in a box that can only carry 6, i.e, the Dragon God is already designed for six, and Harle, not having a Dragon-Form could probably contrinbute little. I should also note that Harle has less vitality and obvious strength and needs to wield a weapon, which just shows she's weaker than the other Dragons, meaning that she would, if not weaken, add a somewhat useless part to the Dragon God.
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See, I don't look at it as pounds so much as I do fractions. The Dragon God was split into 6, so each dragon was 1/6 of the original. And say that the dragons donated part of themselves to the point where they created Harle, and everything was 1/7 of the Dragon God.
Granted, the power distrubution is *not* equal, since Harle is weaker than the other Dragons. However most of the dragons are weaker than the Sky Dragon too.
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Harle, in her own class, could easily wipe out any of your party members. Just look at her amazing stats.
Anyway, since Each dragon had to give a bit of their power to create her, she has the power of the 6 dragons, and hence became the 7th dragon with a part of the six powers of the other dragons and adapted to the Dark Moon, or was based off it.
As for her Dragon Form, the Dragon Gods wouldn't be stupid enough to make her a Dragon if they want to befriend Lynx (FATE whom they hate and want to take down) and get themselves freed.
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Harle, in her own class, could easily wipe out any of your party members. Just look at her amazing stats.
granted i liked her in my party in that dimensional vortex event thing with Sprigg
but she really isn't all that good . . . the moon defense is ok though but my party rarely needs magic defense
i do like her as a character and because of her plot significance . . . but battle wise, i don't think she's all so great
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In all my games, she was equal to Serge. Men, she was hitting 1000s, and Serge only ever got to 800 with the Masamune. And then her Mdef, Mattack and Stamina rule. Give her the Dreamers Sarong and you own, to bad that she leaves :'(
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Well that's more of an effect of your game as opposed to plot.
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Serge's party defeated Harle in Hermit's Hideaway ("Mon Dieu! Moi iz défaited!").
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Serge's party defeated Harle in Hermit's Hideaway ("Mon Dieu! Moi iz défaited!").
Yeah, but that was 3 vs 1. And then again, Serge and Harle can easily defeat Miguel, whats your point? lool.
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Serge's party defeated Harle in Hermit's Hideaway ("Mon Dieu! Moi iz défaited!").
Yeah, but that was 3 vs 1. And then again, Serge and Harle can easily defeat Miguel, whats your point? lool.
Almost every battle is a 3 v 1.
I like Harle, she's cool, but if I ever got her back in my party permenantly, I'd never use her.
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I actually went through the semi-long process of writing a bunch of games over each other to allow be to put Harle back into the party after she had left. It makes for a very interesting battle with the Dragon God. (Also, a side note, she doesn't say anything if you bring her up tot he Frozen Flame, for somewhat obvious reasons.)
She really is my favorite character both battle-wise and plot-wise. I tend to enjoy people that throw things more than swinging them (I'll pick Van and Doc over Leah and Marcy any day), and throwing small things, such as her little "jingly bells" just adds to my adoration for her. Her speciality techs are well-rounded as well. Moonshine is a lifesaver in some big boss battles, and Lunaretic? Apart from the damage it does, just looks amazing visually. And she flips and what not. I like flips.
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I can't believe I didn't look this up earlier.
Normally, I wouldn't be stuffed looking at Ultimania, but this had to be done.
This is a direct quote from Masato Kato in regards to Harle and Kid and the reason to their speeches.
Question: Harle and Kid speak similar lines, and the results of the fortune-
telling by the fortune teller are the same. What's could be the reason for
that?
Answer: Harle is indeed the moon. There are two moons in this world. There's
another moon that exists as a sibling to the bigger moon. And Harle is a
fragment of that smaller moon. Her name itself is [tsuku-yomi] (meaning moon-
reading), hence she has plenty of lines with "to the moon." Well, certainly
Harle existing as an opposition to Kid had been established in the beginning,
there were also many other parts with this meaning.
This sheds a new light on the true design of Harle.
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Shrug. I'd like to have someone who knows Japanese, Like Aura, read the Japanese Ultimania and give us a liberal translation. 'Harle is indeed the moon', so Harle floats above the sky and orbits the Earth? Come on...
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I too question this. Though it's a possibility and Harle and Kid say many similar things, there physique is the same but I don't know where Harle got that accent.
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The actual quote was "Harle is indeed symbolic of the moon." And even still, it's fricken Ultimania.
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Somehow, I feel most people don't take Harle for what she really is. She's a much deeper character then people would realize.
Firstly, many people debate that she is another clone of Schala. That makes sense because of a few reasons:
1. She gets the same fortune telling as Kid, a comfirmed clone.
2. She was made by the Dragons. Now, the Dragons had access to only three life forms: One is Lavos. Making a Lavoid clone would totally mess up their plan, because FATE would have it terminated at once. Same for a Dragon clone, once FATE realizes there's another Dragon, she'd of had it killed. Hence you only have a human left. That human is Schala, the only human the Dragons had access to.
Now, another matter is how deep she is. Her situation is a very painful one: She's a Dragon AND a human. She's half and half of two races that cannot co-exist, thus she has an internal conflict. There's also the matter of Serge-she cannot disobey the Dragons, but she loves him profoundly. That's why if you choose to say you'd choose her over the world, she won't believe you. She ridicules herself and hates herself very, very much. To her, her very life is a joke. That's why she's dressed as a jester, she doesn't just want to hide her identity, she thinks of herself as a person cursed by destiny. Either way she cannot win, and every true emotion she might have at anyone won't matter. Fate mocks her, and that's why she dresses up as a clown.
yeah good point but you got to love her and her frach accent!!!
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I love this topic because it fails really hard. We weren't covering analysis in the first place, and the next two pages were simply devoted to retreading plot details everyone should already know. This is why the character forum is so hard to audit for analysis. There's a lot of crap in here (like that idiotic Why Crono? thread).
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It's also worth pointing out that both Harle and Kidd (and perhaps Schala as well) fall in love with Serge fairly quickly (Leena falls in love with Serge too but that could have been over the course of many years), which might suggest that Harle is genetically identical or at least genetically similar to Schala/Kidd.
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There is other connections. Harle, Kid, and Schala have the same anatomy, and Harle and Kid both have the same fortunes.
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Speaking on this whole Kid-Harle connection, in one of the endings Harle says something funny. It's the ending where Harle and Serge (in Lynx's body, of course) are on Marbule and helping the demi-humans. At the end, Harle is telling Serge how he is needed in Marbule, and then she says "Don't worry, I will be by your side...Serge..." That just struck me as something Kid would say. Now maybe my opinion has been tainted by all the stuff I've been reading of the connection between Kid and Harle, and perhaps I'm looking for things that aren't there, but that really struck me as a very odd line
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True, it is very odd. And it's another little sneaky thing that Masato added in to confuse/ make players think.
I'm starting to think that possibly Schala may have communed through to Serge via Harle. Because all the Dragons are connected to Lavos, then they're also connected to Schala.
There's just the fact that Harle possibly isn't connected to Lavos directly because she has a physical body, unlike the other dragons whom were devoured by Lavos :/
I <3 this topic because Harle owns. It must be revived!
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But you know, I didn't like the way Harle made her exit in the game. When you meet her at Chronopolis, it's pretty much "Hey Serge! Big Gulps huh? Well, see ya later!" and that's the end of it. I think they should've gone for more dramatic impact. It makes me wanna write a fic to fix that, though xDDDD
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I agree.
But Masato didn't really want to give any one character a bigger part.
The main person was Serge, and Serge alone. The sub main characters were Lynx, Harle and Kidd (with Starky needed to finish the game).
Though Harle kind of had a foreshadowing to her end, when she cried on the boat. Yes, it is tragic, but then again, talking about it is even more tragic because we see just how much of a martyr Harle was.
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Did we the Compendium ever establish what Harle's purpose was in the Orphanage? Why she was there and such...?
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Though Harle kind of had a foreshadowing to her end, when she cried on the boat. Yes, it is tragic, but then again, talking about it is even more tragic because we see just how much of a martyr Harle was.
That is true, but I still wish Harle's end came differently. Like maybe a final declaration of undying love for Serge before she becomes absorbed by the Dragon Gods xDDD Of course, you would really want to see Serge's reaction, and since the dumb bastard doesn't talk.... Ugh. Silent protagonist is the dumbest idea EVAR.
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Did we the Compendium ever establish what Harle's purpose was in the Orphanage? Why she was there and such...?
I think most people left it at the decision that Harle was just following Lynx.
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Yes, she was with Lynx for the same reason she had been following him for 9 years. To help him open the access to the Frozen Flame, then steal it in his place and free the Dragons.
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I love this topic...I never knew this much about Harle XD! But she's great in both battle and plot wise...
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Great.
Thanks Zappy and Chrono99.
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Yeah, Harle was just made to infiltrate. Find a way to manipulate things to end in Fate's defeat, and acquire the Frozen Flame. I don't see why people think she had lack of faith by siding with the Dragons. Humans are not everything. She chose to side with her creators, and there is nothing wrong with that. She gave it careful consideration, it was not as if she decided this immediately.
My question is, does unifying into one nullify the existence of the singular weaker dragons? Did she have to die in order to complete the Dragon God? She ran into the frozen flame as suicide, and I think you see her soul head to the sky, which I assume was to unify with the dragon.
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Yeah, Harle was just made to infiltrate. Find a way to manipulate things to end in Fate's defeat, and acquire the Frozen Flame. I don't see why people think she had lack of faith by siding with the Dragons. Humans are not everything. She chose to side with her creators, and there is nothing wrong with that. She gave it careful consideration, it was not as if she decided this immediately.
My question is, does unifying into one nullify the existence of the singular weaker dragons? Did she have to die in order to complete the Dragon God? She ran into the frozen flame as suicide, and I think you see her soul head to the sky, which I assume was to unify with the dragon.
Wow, you're off in so many places.
Harle was created on the night of the magnetic storm, the night when Schala tried to escape the DBT, but to no avail. With the weakening of Chronopolis' defences and FATE's control over the flame for a few minutes, the Dragons were able to combine all their power together to release their daughter/sister into the world. That was Harle. Supposedly on that night, the Dark Moon was created with her, as she is of the Dark Moon.
Harle didn't choose the side of her "creators", she did what she had to do for her brothers and sisters. That's why it's so tragic. Harle is a joker, maybe she thinks her life is a joke. Who knows, but she knew that she could never be with a human, as we see on the boat scene with Serge.
As for the unification of the Dragons, the 6 Dragons (+ Harle) all used to exist as one being, which was the avatar of the planet's power in the Reptite Dimension. However, when CT's planet sent Dinopolis in to fight Chronopolis, FATE with the power of the flame split the Dragon into their elements, which became known as the 6 dragons. Harle is symbolically the Chrono Cross, or the 7th lost element, even if her innate is black (obviously it wouldn't be the 7th element, that'd ruin the game).
Basically, my point here pretty much is that the Dragon God could still be split, but it was defeated, destroyed, what ever, so it doesn't matter.
However, we all hope that Harle, at least, was able to survive in the new time line.
As for your point on Harle and suicide - Harle didn't committ suicide -.-
Harle grabbed the flame and escaped before Kid could screw something up. With the flame gone from FATE's grasp and taken to Terra Tower, the Dragons were able to free themselves from their bonds on their islands, and reunite to form the Dragon God, or in this case named the Time Devourer (arbitrarily).
I believe that Harle may have been the key to their revival/merger because possibly Harle not only contains their power, but she is also the only dragon with a physical body in the world, so she pretty much would be used as a catalyst to give the Dragon God a physical body in the dimension, except she gets merged in with them X_X
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Ah, I thought that anyone who touched the frozen flame but Serge would perish...That's why I assumed she fried herself with it so that her soul could unite with the dragons. Either way, she'd be the one giving them substance with her physical body, so defeating the dragon god means killing her. Screwed either way. >_>'
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Locking this before it becomes the one-millionth "HARLE AND SCHALA ARE ULTIMATE TRANSDIMENSIONAL DEMIURGES WITH THE POWER TO EAT CLOUDS" topic. I don't like locking analysis topics, but this one was fulfilled.