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Zenan Plains - Site Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Feez on February 26, 2007, 01:29:24 am
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One of the greatest anime series ever.
Discuss. :jiraiya:
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I loved this anime so much. Mwu was the MAN.
GSD was a let down. Damn Shinn and his gayness.
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Mwu was indeed the man, but it's all about Athrun and the Justice. 8)
GSD was a step-down, but it certainly had its good points. Like Athrun owning Shinn and Athrun owning Shinn.
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Athrun was such a whore though. He went through Lacus, then Cagalli, then himself, then Meyrin. Kira was much better.
GSD high points were Kira beating the crap out of everyone early on.
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More like Athrun was a pimp. 8) 8) 8) :lol:
GSD high points were Athrun raping everyone.
GSD low points were Athrun getting owned once in a while and Lacus not kissing Kira even though she knew she wanted to. :jiraiya:
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I'm a UCG fan so I better stick to the original Gundam series... It's a great anime but there's lot of complaint that I heard about GSD for lack of originality.
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I love the series, and agree its better then GSD. I like how they can go from space, to desert, to ocean and ect. It has alot to offer. Other Gundam Vets complain that it just copies off older gundams, but its not really the point. For the newer generation, watching that old animation is just hard to do. Though there are strange things (reprogramming a OS on the fly :shock: ) and other few plot holes.
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I love the series, and agree its better then GSD. I like how they can go from space, to desert, to ocean and ect. It has alot to offer. Other Gundam Vets complain that it just copies off older gundams, but its not really the point. For the newer generation, watching that old animation is just hard to do. Though there are strange things (reprogramming a OS on the fly :shock: ) and other few plot holes.
I never watched Gundam SEED, but being able to reprogram the operating system on the fly -- as well as any other code, even inside of currently running applications -- is a common characteristic of many Lisp systems, which are typically built around incremental compilers using bottom-up techniques and a REPL to interact with the system and modify it. It's also pretty damn useful when you're a developer, but the Lisp machine pretty much died in the 80s, so you can only get a taste for what it was like by doing Common Lisp development or using EMACS.
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I love the series, and agree its better then GSD. I like how they can go from space, to desert, to ocean and ect. It has alot to offer. Other Gundam Vets complain that it just copies off older gundams, but its not really the point. For the newer generation, watching that old animation is just hard to do. Though there are strange things (reprogramming a OS on the fly :shock: ) and other few plot holes.
I never watched Gundam SEED, but being able to reprogram the operating system on the fly -- as well as any other code, even inside of currently running applications -- is a common characteristic of many Lisp systems, which are typically built around incremental compilers using bottom-up techniques and a REPL to interact with the system and modify it. It's also pretty damn useful when you're a developer, but the Lisp machine pretty much died in the 80s, so you can only get a taste for what it was like by doing Common Lisp development or using EMACS.
As in:
Character inside a large mobile fighter, connected through hydraulic pumps blah blah blah, a OS capabile of what gunams are, and then being able to completely rewrite the OS while in use of the gundam in a matter of a minute, seems farfetched. Going off what you say, can say, MS rewrite the XP OS while in XP and have the changes affect immediatly as he writes it?
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If XP were written in Lisp and the person had a terminal connection of some sort to the OS REPL, then reasonably, it could be done. If the OS were well-written and designed, a major change could be enacted within a minute, although anything more than a few changes might require some automated development tools and maybe even AI to help -- not so unreasonable in any Gundam universe. Then again, Lisp lends itself to creating powerful abstractions that allow you to manage lots of functionality with minimal code, so a genius coder might be able to get by without any extra tools.
If the whole "changing things on the fly" idea really seems that unreal, consider a real world example. Viaweb was an online web application for building stores written in Common Lisp. Before Viaweb was bought by Yahoo! (making Paul Graham and the other founders rich), they used to debug problems and fix them on the running web server within a matter of a few minutes. They'd fix problems while users were still on the phone with them for support, and almost make them believe there wasn't a problem to begin with. No interruptions.
Or better yet, just look up as much as you can on Lisp Machines and developing on them.
It's really not as far-fetched as it seems.
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And if anything, an OS being rewriteable on the fly would be essential to the function of machines as gigantic as Gundams anyway. When you consider just how complex the A.I. has to be to control even the slightest motion, the number of bugs that could appear in the code at any time could easily cripple the pilot and render the Gundam useless.
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Its possible if you have a backup computer but in GS's case there's no such device installed in those gundams.
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Yeah, well, Kira can do that because he is Jesus. They hacked his genes and shit, and he is a genious. Plus, if he and Marrue died in the first episode because of a crappy OS, then what sort of series would that be?
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Kira IS Jesus, actually. Jesus Yamato.
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Well, not Jesus Jesus. He is too emo for that. But I wouldn't be suprised if he could heal Cancer by shotting them with a beam from the Freedom.
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If XP were written in Lisp and the person had a terminal connection of some sort to the OS REPL, then reasonably, it could be done. If the OS were well-written and designed, a major change could be enacted within a minute, although anything more than a few changes might require some automated development tools and maybe even AI to help -- not so unreasonable in any Gundam universe. Then again, Lisp lends itself to creating powerful abstractions that allow you to manage lots of functionality with minimal code, so a genius coder might be able to get by without any extra tools.
If the whole "changing things on the fly" idea really seems that unreal, consider a real world example. Viaweb was an online web application for building stores written in Common Lisp. Before Viaweb was bought by Yahoo! (making Paul Graham and the other founders rich), they used to debug problems and fix them on the running web server within a matter of a few minutes. They'd fix problems while users were still on the phone with them for support, and almost make them believe there wasn't a problem to begin with. No interruptions.
Or better yet, just look up as much as you can on Lisp Machines and developing on them.
It's really not as far-fetched as it seems.
That is interesting, so I guess it would be possible.
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Well, not Jesus Jesus. He is too emo for that. But I wouldn't be suprised if he could heal Cancer by shotting them with a beam from the Freedom.
What an interestingtheory, they should try something like that in the upcoming movie.
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No, that title belongs to
*spoilers for Destiny*
Mwu, since he somehow survived his entire gundam being blown to smitheriens while he was in it, and then come up with a minor scar and amnesia, and also wasn't found by the archangel where he blew up
Pretty amazing.
*spoilers
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No, that title belongs to
*spoilers for Destiny*
Mwu, since he somehow survived his entire gundam being blown to smitheriens while he was in it, and then come up with a minor scar and amnesia, and also wasn't found by the archangel where he blew up
Pretty amazing.
*spoilers
Kira survives his Gundam blowing up ALONG with another Gundam blowing up attached to his in Gundam Seed. In GSD he survives a nuclear explosion.
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No, that title belongs to
*spoilers for Destiny*
Mwu, since he somehow survived his entire gundam being blown to smitheriens while he was in it, and then come up with a minor scar and amnesia, and also wasn't found by the archangel where he blew up
Pretty amazing.
*spoilers
Kira survives his Gundam blowing up ALONG with another Gundam blowing up attached to his in Gundam Seed. In GSD he survives a nuclear explosion.
*Spoilers*
Kira's Strike Gundam has no nuclear generator since the earth is covered with neutron jammers & what part of of GS or GSD that Kira got blown with a nuclear explosion?
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No, that title belongs to
*spoilers for Destiny*
Mwu, since he somehow survived his entire gundam being blown to smitheriens while he was in it, and then come up with a minor scar and amnesia, and also wasn't found by the archangel where he blew up
Pretty amazing.
*spoilers
Kira survives his Gundam blowing up ALONG with another Gundam blowing up attached to his in Gundam Seed. In GSD he survives a nuclear explosion.
*Spoilers*
Kira's Strike Gundam has no nuclear generator since the earth is covered with neutron jammers & what part of of GS or GSD that Kira got blown with a nuclear explosion?
hes right. When Shinn destroys freedom. Freedom uses a nuclear reacter, though that explosion clearly isn't nuclear.
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No, that title belongs to
*spoilers for Destiny*
Mwu, since he somehow survived his entire gundam being blown to smitheriens while he was in it, and then come up with a minor scar and amnesia, and also wasn't found by the archangel where he blew up
Pretty amazing.
*spoilers
Kira survives his Gundam blowing up ALONG with another Gundam blowing up attached to his in Gundam Seed. In GSD he survives a nuclear explosion.
*Spoilers*
Kira's Strike Gundam has no nuclear generator since the earth is covered with neutron jammers & what part of of GS or GSD that Kira got blown with a nuclear explosion?
hes right. When Shinn destroys freedom. Freedom uses a nuclear reacter, though that explosion clearly isn't nuclear.
Plot hole!
Supposedly, Shinn didn't destory the NUCLEAR REACTOR (and crotchpit), but destroyed everything else.
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No, that title belongs to
*spoilers for Destiny*
Mwu, since he somehow survived his entire gundam being blown to smitheriens while he was in it, and then come up with a minor scar and amnesia, and also wasn't found by the archangel where he blew up
Pretty amazing.
*spoilers
Kira survives his Gundam blowing up ALONG with another Gundam blowing up attached to his in Gundam Seed. In GSD he survives a nuclear explosion.
*Spoilers*
Kira's Strike Gundam has no nuclear generator since the earth is covered with neutron jammers & what part of of GS or GSD that Kira got blown with a nuclear explosion?
hes right. When Shinn destroys freedom. Freedom uses a nuclear reacter, though that explosion clearly isn't nuclear.
Plot hole!
Supposedly, Shinn didn't destory the NUCLEAR REACTOR (and crotchpit), but destroyed everything else.
Thats what they did with Athrun also when Shinn Destroyed his Gundam. Just the cockpit survived. However, unlike Strike/Athrun red one from Seed, the strike when Mwu pioleted it was completly destroyed. The only part that survived the exploision was the head. The beam that hit it was strong enough to sink the archangel so tell me not only how he could of survived when the entire thing was destroyed, and the fact that he wasn't even found by people who would of looked. Kira was even found lost in space.
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No, that title belongs to
*spoilers for Destiny*
Mwu, since he somehow survived his entire gundam being blown to smitheriens while he was in it, and then come up with a minor scar and amnesia, and also wasn't found by the archangel where he blew up
Pretty amazing.
*spoilers
Kira survives his Gundam blowing up ALONG with another Gundam blowing up attached to his in Gundam Seed. In GSD he survives a nuclear explosion.
*Spoilers*
Kira's Strike Gundam has no nuclear generator since the earth is covered with neutron jammers & what part of of GS or GSD that Kira got blown with a nuclear explosion?
hes right. When Shinn destroys freedom. Freedom uses a nuclear reacter, though that explosion clearly isn't nuclear.
Plot hole!
Supposedly, Shinn didn't destory the NUCLEAR REACTOR (and crotchpit), but destroyed everything else.
Thats what they did with Athrun also when Shinn Destroyed his Gundam. Just the cockpit survived. However, unlike Strike/Athrun red one from Seed, the strike when Mwu pioleted it was completly destroyed. The only part that survived the exploision was the head. The beam that hit it was strong enough to sink the archangel so tell me not only how he could of survived when the entire thing was destroyed, and the fact that he wasn't even found by people who would of looked. Kira was even found lost in space.
In the SEED Special Editions--which are taking to be the most accurate depiction of Fukuda's canon--show Mwu lying in space. Quick flashbacks in Destiny show Djibril and how he found Mwu and restored him to health, etc. It really isn't explained fully, but hey, it happened.
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No, that title belongs to
*spoilers for Destiny*
Mwu, since he somehow survived his entire gundam being blown to smitheriens while he was in it, and then come up with a minor scar and amnesia, and also wasn't found by the archangel where he blew up
Pretty amazing.
*spoilers
Kira survives his Gundam blowing up ALONG with another Gundam blowing up attached to his in Gundam Seed. In GSD he survives a nuclear explosion.
*Spoilers*
Kira's Strike Gundam has no nuclear generator since the earth is covered with neutron jammers & what part of of GS or GSD that Kira got blown with a nuclear explosion?
hes right. When Shinn destroys freedom. Freedom uses a nuclear reacter, though that explosion clearly isn't nuclear.
Plot hole!
Supposedly, Shinn didn't destory the NUCLEAR REACTOR (and crotchpit), but destroyed everything else.
Thats what they did with Athrun also when Shinn Destroyed his Gundam. Just the cockpit survived. However, unlike Strike/Athrun red one from Seed, the strike when Mwu pioleted it was completly destroyed. The only part that survived the exploision was the head. The beam that hit it was strong enough to sink the archangel so tell me not only how he could of survived when the entire thing was destroyed, and the fact that he wasn't even found by people who would of looked. Kira was even found lost in space.
In the SEED Special Editions--which are taking to be the most accurate depiction of Fukuda's canon--show Mwu lying in space. Quick flashbacks in Destiny show Djibril and how he found Mwu and restored him to health, etc. It really isn't explained fully, but hey, it happened.
only special I saw as after phase. Ill be mad if they pull this with GSD and release the original ending not Final Plus.
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Mwu is incredibly manly, that is how he surrived. How else except someone who is Man-incarnate could survive blowing up, and then surviving in space without a helmet?
The Freedom had a Neutron Jammer Canceler equipped. The mobile suit was powered by a nuclear reactor, and when Shinn stabbed it, it chain reacted. That huge-ass explosion after the fact had to be nuclear. A convensional mobile suit doesn't blow up that much.
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Mwu is incredibly manly, that is how he surrived. How else except someone who is Man-incarnate could survive blowing up, and then surviving in space without a helmet?
The Freedom had a Neutron Jammer Canceler equipped. The mobile suit was powered by a nuclear reactor, and when Shinn stabbed it, it chain reacted. That huge-ass explosion after the fact had to be nuclear. A convensional mobile suit doesn't blow up that much.
True, but explosion is limited due to the neutron jammer still in effect. When a nuclear explosion occur, neutrons are prevented to collide with other neutrons because of the neutron jammer thus limiting the explosion.
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Mwu is incredibly manly, that is how he surrived. How else except someone who is Man-incarnate could survive blowing up, and then surviving in space without a helmet?
The Freedom had a Neutron Jammer Canceler equipped. The mobile suit was powered by a nuclear reactor, and when Shinn stabbed it, it chain reacted. That huge-ass explosion after the fact had to be nuclear. A convensional mobile suit doesn't blow up that much.
True, but explosion is limited due to the neutron jammer still in effect. When a nuclear explosion occur, neutrons are prevented to collide with other neutrons because of the neutron jammer thus limiting the explosion.
Yeah whatever, it doesn't really matter guys, the balls are inert.
In other words, Kira was too powerful to die from such a small explosion. :shock: :shock:
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Mwu is incredibly manly, that is how he surrived. How else except someone who is Man-incarnate could survive blowing up, and then surviving in space without a helmet?
The Freedom had a Neutron Jammer Canceler equipped. The mobile suit was powered by a nuclear reactor, and when Shinn stabbed it, it chain reacted. That huge-ass explosion after the fact had to be nuclear. A convensional mobile suit doesn't blow up that much.
True, but explosion is limited due to the neutron jammer still in effect. When a nuclear explosion occur, neutrons are prevented to collide with other neutrons because of the neutron jammer thus limiting the explosion.
I suppose they did tone down the explosion, because the Impulse was right next to the Freedom when it chain reacted, but the explosion was still much bigger and more powerful than normal.
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Mwu is incredibly manly, that is how he surrived. How else except someone who is Man-incarnate could survive blowing up, and then surviving in space without a helmet?
The Freedom had a Neutron Jammer Canceler equipped. The mobile suit was powered by a nuclear reactor, and when Shinn stabbed it, it chain reacted. That huge-ass explosion after the fact had to be nuclear. A convensional mobile suit doesn't blow up that much.
True, but explosion is limited due to the neutron jammer still in effect. When a nuclear explosion occur, neutrons are prevented to collide with other neutrons because of the neutron jammer thus limiting the explosion.
I suppose they did tone down the explosion, because the Impulse was right next to the Freedom when it chain reacted, but the explosion was still much bigger and more powerful than normal.
But it still lacks EMP & radiation which comes after the nuclear explosion. Its just a normal explosion since it lacks the traits of a nuclear explosion.
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Mwu is incredibly manly, that is how he surrived. How else except someone who is Man-incarnate could survive blowing up, and then surviving in space without a helmet?
The Freedom had a Neutron Jammer Canceler equipped. The mobile suit was powered by a nuclear reactor, and when Shinn stabbed it, it chain reacted. That huge-ass explosion after the fact had to be nuclear. A convensional mobile suit doesn't blow up that much.
True, but explosion is limited due to the neutron jammer still in effect. When a nuclear explosion occur, neutrons are prevented to collide with other neutrons because of the neutron jammer thus limiting the explosion.
I suppose they did tone down the explosion, because the Impulse was right next to the Freedom when it chain reacted, but the explosion was still much bigger and more powerful than normal.
But it still lacks EMP & radiation which comes after the nuclear explosion. Its just a normal explosion since it lacks the traits of a nuclear explosion.
When Orb's Murasames blow up, there's a teeny little explosion. When the Freedom blows, it covers a HUGE amount of distance. Although that's not saying it was a full nuclear explosion, it's proof enough that the explosion would have killed any normal man. Plot dictates however, that Kira aka "Jesus" can never die.
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Mwu is incredibly manly, that is how he surrived. How else except someone who is Man-incarnate could survive blowing up, and then surviving in space without a helmet?
The Freedom had a Neutron Jammer Canceler equipped. The mobile suit was powered by a nuclear reactor, and when Shinn stabbed it, it chain reacted. That huge-ass explosion after the fact had to be nuclear. A convensional mobile suit doesn't blow up that much.
True, but explosion is limited due to the neutron jammer still in effect. When a nuclear explosion occur, neutrons are prevented to collide with other neutrons because of the neutron jammer thus limiting the explosion.
I suppose they did tone down the explosion, because the Impulse was right next to the Freedom when it chain reacted, but the explosion was still much bigger and more powerful than normal.
But it still lacks EMP & radiation which comes after the nuclear explosion. Its just a normal explosion since it lacks the traits of a nuclear explosion.
When Orb's Murasames blow up, there's a teeny little explosion. When the Freedom blows, it covers a HUGE amount of distance. Although that's not saying it was a full nuclear explosion, it's proof enough that the explosion would have killed any normal man. Plot dictates however, that Kira aka "Jesus" can never die.
But Jesus did die....
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That is what he wants you to think.
As far as radiation from the explosion, I don't think there is anyway for us to know that. For all we know, their ships had radation shielding of some sort.
And as for EMP, ZAFT stuff is equipped with things that cancel out the effects of EMP. Remmeber in Gundam Seed, when ZAFT attacked Panama, and detonated an EMP device? The ZAFT mobile suits were uneffected by it, while the Earth Forces who didn't have them equipped, got pwned.
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That is what he wants you to think.
As far as radiation from the explosion, I don't think there is anyway for us to know that. For all we know, their ships had radation shielding of some sort.
And as for EMP, ZAFT stuff is equipped with things that cancel out the effects of EMP. Remmeber in Gundam Seed, when ZAFT attacked Panama, and detonated an EMP device? The ZAFT mobile suits were uneffected by it, while the Earth Forces who didn't have them equipped, got pwned.
Zaft Mobile suits were affected gy the system under the alaska base. That wasn't a nuclear explosion, it looked alot like what Genesis used, and that destroyed zaft ships also. WHy do you think Yzak was rushing out and Kira had to help him?
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We know the reaction at Alaska base wasn't nuclear, because the Earth Alliance didn't even have NJ cancelers at the time to produce a Nuclear Reaction.
And I'm not sure if this is applicable, I'm no physicist, but many Nuclear Weapons were detonated in space at the end of Gundam Seed, and the start of Destiny, yet the Mobile Suits fighting out there didn't seem to be effected.
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We know the reaction at Alaska base wasn't nuclear, because the Earth Alliance didn't even have NJ cancelers at the time to produce a Nuclear Reaction.
And I'm not sure if this is applicable, I'm no physicist, but many Nuclear Weapons were detonated in space at the end of Gundam Seed, and the start of Destiny, yet the Mobile Suits fighting out there didn't seem to be effected.
Haven't you forgotten that space is filled with cosmic radiation that MS require adequate shielding? Moreover, if a ground type MS has a radiation & EMP shielding equip it will be a burden since it add extra weight thus reduces mobility & add extra cost for every MS. If the Earth Alliance is that rich then they won't need to build a mass produce MS & then all pilots would use gundams would they?
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All I'm saying, is the standard ZAFT GINN had EMP shielding. When ZAFT attacked Panama in GS, they won the battle by detonating an EMP device, that disabled all the EA mobile suits, tanks, etc etc. It also somehow destroyed their Mass Driver. Regardless, the GINNs were not disabled by the EMP device.
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I didn't recall any EMP shielding on a standard ZGMF-1017... Even in the official Gundam site doesn't mentioned any EMP shielding of any ZAFT MS. Its possible that ZAFT especially equip those GINNs with some sort of EMP shielding on Operation Spit Break but it's not practical to equip those armor on a GINN since it will hinder its perfomance as an aerial MS.
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Personally, I think Zeta if my favorite.
My three main problems i have with seed is...
1. Have the guys look like girls..... not saying that to be mean or anything, they look very..... feminine
2. Young men crying during mobile suit battles. "I know other gundam series did this, but this one seemed to do it more often then the others."
3. Many of the women character's had big busts, but this may have been done because of number one so it would be easier to tell. Some people may not find that one as bad though, others not so much.
I never got to see GSD, but i heard they where able to "avoided/improve" on some of those.
Overall though, the series was very good.
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1. Mwu doesn't look like a girl...maybe Kira and Athrun might. Cagalli looks like a man though.
2. Yeah... >_>
3. That's a good thing. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :D :D :D
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Personally, I think Zeta if my favorite.
My three main problems i have with seed is...
1. Have the guys look like girls..... not saying that to be mean or anything, they look very..... feminine
2. Young men crying during mobile suit battles. "I know other gundam series did this, but this one seemed to do it more often then the others."
3. Many of the women character's had big busts, but this may have been done because of number one so it would be easier to tell. Some people may not find that one as bad though, others not so much.
I never got to see GSD, but i heard they where able to "avoided/improve" on some of those.
Overall though, the series was very good.
As a fellow UC fan... Howdy! There's one more thing to add...
1.) There's a debate whether that GS series is considered as a real or super robot.
2.) GS series has the more fanservice than any Gundam series(I have no problem with that though.) :D
3.) Since that there's no Minovsky particles in GS, why can't they use long-range mobile weapons?
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Athrun Kira, Nicol, Yzak, even after he gets that scar. I would type more of them, but the four mentioned are good enough.
Cagalli looked about as manly as Kira....... I never once mistook her for a guy.
The fan service I did not have that big of a problem with, "heh heh, SD gundam" however, I get annoyed if they put too much of it. It did make it easier for me to know who was what. "heh heh, bouncy, no gravity"
Since that there's no Minovsky particles in GS, why can't they use long-range mobile weapons?
I wounder that myself, I think it may have something to do with the fact that every GS gundam had to be greater than or equal to the double zeta.
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I wounder that myself, I think it may have something to do with the fact that every GS gundam had to be greater than or equal to the double zeta.
Or maybe equal to that of Nu & Crossbone Gundam.
The sad thing about the Double Zeta is that Yoshiyuki Tomino directed only 1/3 of the entire series.
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On to another topic of the SEED universe....what is your favorite MS? I'd have to say the original Justice. Infinite Justice was cool too, but it had about 1/5000th of the amount of screen time the original had. :lee:
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On to another topic of the SEED universe....what is your favorite MS? I'd have to say the original Justice. Infinite Justice was cool too, but it had about 1/5000th of the amount of screen time the original had. :lee:
I liked the tailed gundam Treiz pilots from wing.
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I liked the Strike. Then Freedom.
I didn't recall any EMP shielding on a standard ZGMF-1017... Even in the official Gundam site doesn't mentioned any EMP shielding of any ZAFT MS. Its possible that ZAFT especially equip those GINNs with some sort of EMP shielding on Operation Spit Break but it's not practical to equip those armor on a GINN since it will hinder its perfomance as an aerial MS.
The GINNs they used didn't look like they had any special armor on them. They looked like normal GINNs.
Oh yeah. Cagalli>all of you.
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I liked the Strike. Then Freedom.
I didn't recall any EMP shielding on a standard ZGMF-1017... Even in the official Gundam site doesn't mentioned any EMP shielding of any ZAFT MS. Its possible that ZAFT especially equip those GINNs with some sort of EMP shielding on Operation Spit Break but it's not practical to equip those armor on a GINN since it will hinder its perfomance as an aerial MS.
The GINNs they used didn't look like they had any special armor on them. They looked like normal GINNs.
Oh yeah. Cagalli>all of you.
Looks can be deceiving in the gundam universe.
On to another topic of the SEED universe....what is your favorite MS? I'd have to say the original Justice. Infinite Justice was cool too, but it had about 1/5000th of the amount of screen time the original had. :lee:
I prefer the Akitsuki... It has a nostalgic looks & performance to the UC gundam.
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Akatsuki would be cool if...
1. It got more than 2 minutes of screen time.
2. It decided if it wanted to be yellow or golden--not both.
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It was piloted by both of my favorite characters in gundam SEED. How could it be bad?
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Well, Mwu owns, but Cagalli....not so much. Plus the reasons I stated before ultimately make the Akatsuki suck.
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Cagalli>You. And the thing reflects beams at people. Incredibly broken. I'm not sure why that doesn't block things like beam swords, but eh, Mwu pilots it.
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Cagalli is a nub....she's really whiny and ugly also. And all she does in Destiny is cry, she was a lot better in SEED.
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Does anyone remember Gundam WING? Now there was an awesome show.
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Yeah, Gundam Wing is one of the best series out of six gundam universes.
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Yeah, Gundam Wing is one of the best series out of six gundam universes.
You two are the only two I have ever seen say anything good about that show. Everyone just thinks its awful. As do I. But I think g fighter was the worst.
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G Gundam was a huge racial sterotype anime. Gundam Wing didn't have characters. It had gay robots, who fought in giant robots.
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G Gundam was a huge racial sterotype anime. Gundam Wing didn't have characters. It had gay robots, who fought in giant robots.
In the english dubbed G Gundam, it's dialog & name had been changed to avoid religious & racial discrimination but not a racial stereotype. Gundam Wing is has something like a boy band looks to attract female audience.
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Gundam Wing had the best fights....SEED fights were ok but the talking was gay. SEED Destiny had 1 or 2 good fights but most of the rest (actually, about 90% of the show) were rehashed animations from earlier in the show and even from SEED.
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G Gundam was a huge racial sterotype anime. Gundam Wing didn't have characters. It had gay robots, who fought in giant robots.
In the english dubbed G Gundam, it's dialog & name had been changed to avoid religious & racial discrimination but not a racial stereotype. Gundam Wing is has something like a boy band looks to attract female audience.
Dude, the Mexican Gundam had a Sombrero. You can take nearly every character and/or gundam in the series, and pick out a stereotype for its country. You have to watch G Gundam as a comedy.
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G Gundam was a huge racial sterotype anime. Gundam Wing didn't have characters. It had gay robots, who fought in giant robots.
In the english dubbed G Gundam, it's dialog & name had been changed to avoid religious & racial discrimination but not a racial stereotype. Gundam Wing is has something like a boy band looks to attract female audience.
Dude, the Mexican Gundam had a Sombrero. You can take nearly every character and/or gundam in the series, and pick out a stereotype for its country. You have to watch G Gundam as a comedy.
Its true that G Gundam is the black sheep of the Gundam universe & I guess that I didn't notice that. My bad.
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Gundam Wing had the best fights....SEED fights were ok but the talking was gay. SEED Destiny had 1 or 2 good fights but most of the rest (actually, about 90% of the show) were rehashed animations from earlier in the show and even from SEED.
Didn't notice this...
And Gundam Wing didn't have rehashed animation? It had plenty, and the quality of animation wasn't nearly up to SEED's level.
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Gundam Wing had the best fights....SEED fights were ok but the talking was gay. SEED Destiny had 1 or 2 good fights but most of the rest (actually, about 90% of the show) were rehashed animations from earlier in the show and even from SEED.
Right, if you think that gundams that were invincable and never hit, as a good fight. Wing also used more rehashed scenes then any other gundam.
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Gundam Wing had the best fights....SEED fights were ok but the talking was gay. SEED Destiny had 1 or 2 good fights but most of the rest (actually, about 90% of the show) were rehashed animations from earlier in the show and even from SEED.
Right, if you think that gundams that were invincable and never hit, as a good fight. Wing also used more rehashed scenes then any other gundam.
Even more than the original? I find that hard to believe.
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Gundam Wing had the best fights....SEED fights were ok but the talking was gay. SEED Destiny had 1 or 2 good fights but most of the rest (actually, about 90% of the show) were rehashed animations from earlier in the show and even from SEED.
Right, if you think that gundams that were invincable and never hit, as a good fight. Wing also used more rehashed scenes then any other gundam.
Even more than the original? I find that hard to believe.
Aye, let me rephrase. From the ones I have seen, I can personally say wing has the most repeated, followed by seed (the one from the end where it uses the circle shot really got old and not counting recap episodes).
So in order
wing
seed
destiny
zeta
g fighter.
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Does that mean you never saw the original? At least SEED switched around Gundams, like from the Strike to the Freedom, and the Aegis to the Justice. The Original had Gundam... And stuck with it till the very end.
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No I didn't see any till a few years ago. The animation for the original was just to old for me to enjoy. I had a hard time with zeta.
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Gundam Wing had the best fights....SEED fights were ok but the talking was gay. SEED Destiny had 1 or 2 good fights but most of the rest (actually, about 90% of the show) were rehashed animations from earlier in the show and even from SEED.
Right, if you think that gundams that were invincable and never hit, as a good fight. Wing also used more rehashed scenes then any other gundam.
Is this a fact? Because SEED Destiny has WAY too many reused scenes, I really doubt Wing has more rehashed scenes than Destiny. I may be wrong though, I haven't seen Wing in like 3 years.
"Gundams that were invincible and never hit"
You've got to be joking me. What do you think SEED Destiny is? >_> I'll admit that SEED may be better than Wing, but SEED Destiny, hell no. SEED Destiny only did reasonably well because it's SEED's sequel and because well, it's Gundam.
And Gundam Wing didn't have rehashed animation? It had plenty, and the quality of animation wasn't nearly up to SEED's level.
Once again, maybe when comparing it to SEED, but Destiny's animation--except for a few key moments--has incredibly bad, rehashed animation. In fact, I'd say about 60% of the fights are just rehashed animation. I'll even use examples.
Freedom does it's "All weapons unload" attack way too many times in SEED...and way too many times in Destiny as well. Even the Strike Freedom has an edited version of the attack. Freedom always has the same boring moveset which gets annoying fast.
The I. Justice has most of the original Justice's moveset except for a few animations. These new animations are rehashed twice (in the two fights its in), which looks really lame.
Basically the entire Strike Freedom vs. Legend fight is rehashed from SEED.
Destiny has 3 or 4 animations that it repeats in every single fight and gets annoying, old, boring, and stupid really really REALLY fast.
These are the most notable in my opinion. There are others like the impulse stuff, but w/e. I guess there might be a lot in Wing as well, but like i said, I haven't seen it in a while. But that's just sad if it has more rehashing than Destiny. :(
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No I didn't see any till a few years ago. The animation for the original was just to old for me to enjoy. I had a hard time with zeta.
Then try watching zeta gundam movie. The zeta movie is the official canon according to Yoshiyuki Tomino & ten times better than the original series.
You've got to be joking me. What do you think SEED Destiny is? >_> I'll admit that SEED may be better than Wing, but SEED Destiny, hell no. SEED Destiny only did reasonably well because it's SEED's sequel and because well, it's Gundam.
Is that also a fact or your personal opinion that SEED destiny is a success? Unless you have something to back it out then I disagree with you.
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Gundam Wing had the best fights....SEED fights were ok but the talking was gay. SEED Destiny had 1 or 2 good fights but most of the rest (actually, about 90% of the show) were rehashed animations from earlier in the show and even from SEED.
Right, if you think that gundams that were invincable and never hit, as a good fight. Wing also used more rehashed scenes then any other gundam.
Is this a fact? Because SEED Destiny has WAY too many reused scenes, I really doubt Wing has more rehashed scenes than Destiny. I may be wrong though, I haven't seen Wing in like 3 years.
"Gundams that were invincible and never hit"
You've got to be joking me. What do you think SEED Destiny is? >_> I'll admit that SEED may be better than Wing, but SEED Destiny, hell no. SEED Destiny only did reasonably well because it's SEED's sequel and because well, it's Gundam.
And Gundam Wing didn't have rehashed animation? It had plenty, and the quality of animation wasn't nearly up to SEED's level.
Once again, maybe when comparing it to SEED, but Destiny's animation--except for a few key moments--has incredibly bad, rehashed animation. In fact, I'd say about 60% of the fights are just rehashed animation. I'll even use examples.
Freedom does it's "All weapons unload" attack way too many times in SEED...and way too many times in Destiny as well. Even the Strike Freedom has an edited version of the attack. Freedom always has the same boring moveset which gets annoying fast.
The I. Justice has most of the original Justice's moveset except for a few animations. These new animations are rehashed twice (in the two fights its in), which looks really lame.
Basically the entire Strike Freedom vs. Legend fight is rehashed from SEED.
Destiny has 3 or 4 animations that it repeats in every single fight and gets annoying, old, boring, and stupid really really REALLY fast.
These are the most notable in my opinion. There are others like the impulse stuff, but w/e. I guess there might be a lot in Wing as well, but like i said, I haven't seen it in a while. But that's just sad if it has more rehashing than Destiny. :(
That comes from me having watched them in the past 3 years and that is what I honestly noticed. I also found destiny not as up to par as seed was though. However, wing is most known for having the strongest gundams there is, especially zero. Practically the only time they were even ever injured was when they fought eachother. The theme I got from wing was "The invinciables". Besides, the women in it were so ugly.
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In Gundam WING, they were supposed to be 'Invinisible Mobile Suits'. I remmeber them saying Gundams are mobile suits made out of Gundamium or something, and indestructable metal.
And the Gundams never were damage, never defeated unless they fought another Gundam. Nothing could touch the Wing Gundam, the Deathsythe lived forever, and just when you think that the gundams are going to be vulnerable, things like Wing Zero, Deathsythe Hell, and other suits like that show up. Not to mention the most important part of the series, the characters were incredibly boring, without any personality for the most part.
In SEED, I prefered the first part of the series, because Gundams weren't invinisible. Kira in the Strike was given good fights from just GINNs and BuCUEs. Once he got the Freedom, yeah, that was when it seemed like the Invinisible Mobile Suit, and only really had problems with other Gundams. And if Destiny showed us anything with the destruction of the Freedom, by an inferior mobile suit, they aren't invinisible mobile suits in that.
As far as I'm conserned, ALL Giant Robot animes rehash animation. They did it in Original Gundam, they do it in Robotech, they did it Gundam SEED, Wing, all of them. However, when grading animation, you have to look at the quality of animation. The animation in SEED and SEED Destiny were alot better than that in Wing, simply because its a new show.
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Is that also a fact or your personal opinion that SEED destiny is a success? Unless you have something to back it out then I disagree with you.
Based on how well GSD's done in the Japanese market (although I can't say for sure), I'm pretty sure it's safe to say it's been successful. They're even making a movie.
And yeah, I agree with the rest of you guys about WING having overly-powerful Gundams, but it still does a better job than SEED Destiny. I Destiny, no one can hurt the "strongest" suits--no one, not even another one of the strongest suits. The one exception is Shinn, who actually defeated Kira (which was actually a good fight).
"Boring" characters? Though I agree to an extent, how can you not say Duo is awesome? 8) Also, Kira is one of the most static characters ever, in GSD. He's incredibly easy to follow, and everything he says is easy to predict; probably due to the fact that he says the same thing over and over again. Athrun, Shinn, and even Cagalli were better at least. Then there's people like Lunamaria who are there only for fanservice, and Meyrin, who never do anything during the whole series, become important for 1 episode, and then get cast into the shadows again. IMO, GSD is a series that started off great, could have continued its greatness, but failed.
Besides, the women in it were so ugly.
LOL I agree totally.
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Bish, Duo is the exception! He actually was a character, not a gay robot.
Gundam SEED is tons better than GSD. Kira had tons of development in that (SEED). In GSD, Kira just flew around and unplugged other people's controllers. You have Cagalli who had tons of development in Gundam SEED, and although cried the first half of GSD, came around in the end. Athrun got worse in GSD, and didn't come around till like the final storyarc of the series.
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Is that also a fact or your personal opinion that SEED destiny is a success? Unless you have something to back it out then I disagree with you.
Based on how well GSD's done in the Japanese market (although I can't say for sure), I'm pretty sure it's safe to say it's been successful. They're even making a movie.
UCG owns the japanese market & it even has its own online simulator of UC gundam(its sad to say that it will not expand beyond japan.)
Bandai's GS series targets primarily foreign audience since UC dominates the japanese market. I know what makes bandai tick since I keep a constant update on its products.
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Bish, Duo is the exception! He actually was a character, not a gay robot.
Gundam SEED is tons better than GSD. Kira had tons of development in that (SEED). In GSD, Kira just flew around and unplugged other people's controllers. You have Cagalli who had tons of development in Gundam SEED, and although cried the first half of GSD, came around in the end. Athrun got worse in GSD, and didn't come around till like the final storyarc of the series.
I agree completely. :lol:
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If you guys had to rank the strongest Gundams, spanning all the series, how would you rank them? And this assumes their default pilot, like Hiro in Wing Zero, Amuro in Nu Gundam, Kira in Strike Freedom.
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wing zero would be the strongest. Followed by all the gundams in wing, and the rest follow behind.
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You think the other gundams in Wing would be stronger than something like the Strike Freedom? Heavyarms for example, would get it's ass handed to it by any SEED gundam, since their Phase Shift armor blocks conventional, non-beam weaponry. And the Deathsythe Hell seems to have most of it's potiental in defense, with limited ranged attacks at all.
The Strike Freedom has tons big cannons on it, and can send out those laser-bit things to attack from all directions, not to mention its incredibly fast.
Nu Gundam had similar laser-flying around thingers, and like... Amuro pushed an asteriod away from a collision course with the Earth practically alone.
But Wing Zero is definitely the strongest. Not only because it's guns can destroy an entire colony in one blast (that could be dodged), but because the Zero System or whatever reads your oppenent's mind or something. Epyon would probably be in this tier as well, since its supposed to do something similar.
Maybe Kira or Athrun's SEED mode, or Amuro's Newtype ability, would compensate for that, I dunno.
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You think the other gundams in Wing would be stronger than something like the Strike Freedom? Heavyarms for example, would get it's ass handed to it by any SEED gundam, since their Phase Shift armor blocks conventional, non-beam weaponry. And the Deathsythe Hell seems to have most of it's potiental in defense, with limited ranged attacks at all.
The Strike Freedom has tons big cannons on it, and can send out those laser-bit things to attack from all directions, not to mention its incredibly fast.
Nu Gundam had similar laser-flying around thingers, and like... Amuro pushed an asteriod away from a collision course with the Earth practically alone.
But Wing Zero is definitely the strongest. Not only because it's guns can destroy an entire colony in one blast (that could be dodged), but because the Zero System or whatever reads your oppenent's mind or something. Epyon would probably be in this tier as well, since its supposed to do something similar.
Maybe Kira or Athrun's SEED mode, or Amuro's Newtype ability, would compensate for that, I dunno.
Sorry, I thought we were talking about hero type gundams only. I was talking about the 4 gundams from Wing, not the convential ones. I do however, think strike freedom can give zero a run for his money because kira somehow posses newtype abilities. However, in the end, zero is godlike so.
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There were 5 original gundams in Wing, then they got Zero and Epyon, and Deathsythe Hell and Altron. Not even counting the 3 versions of Tallgeese.
So, which ones of those were you considering "convential", or did I miss your point somehow?
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I think the rank would be something like...
Wing Zero
Epyon
Strike Freedom
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There were 5 original gundams in Wing, then they got Zero and Epyon, and Deathsythe Hell and Altron. Not even counting the 3 versions of Tallgeese.
So, which ones of those were you considering "convential", or did I miss your point somehow?
anything standard really to the military. Dinns, Buckoo's, basically anything that a standard person would pilot.
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Nu gundam specs...
Model number: RX-93
Code name: Nu Gundam
Unit type: Newtype use ultrahigh efficiency mobile suit
Manufacturer: Anaheim Electronics
Operator: Londo Bell
First deployment: March UC 0093
Accommodation: pilot only, in ejectable panoramic monitor/linear seat cockpit in torso
Dimensions: overall height 23.0 meters; head height 22.0 meters
Weight: empty 27.9 metric tons; max gross 63.0 metric tons
Construction: gundarium alloy on movable frame
Powerplant: Minovsky type ultracompact fusion reactor, output rated at 2980 kW
Propulsion: rocket thrusters: 4 x 18300 kg, 2 x 12300 kg; vernier thrusters/apogee motors: 26
Performance: maximum thruster acceleration 1.55 G
Equipment and design features: sensors, range 21300 meters; dummy launchers in hands; birdlime launchers in hands; psycoframe cockpit frame
Fixed armaments: 2 x vulcan gun, fire-linked, mounted in head; large beam saber, power rated at 0.85 MW, stored in recharge rack on backpack, hand-carried in use; beam saber, stored in recharge rack in left forearm, hand-carried in use
Optional fixed armaments: shield, mounted on left forearm, mounts beam cannon (power rated at 7.8 MW) and 4 x small missile
Optional hand armaments: beam rifle, power rated at 3.8 MW, powered by rechargeable energy cap, with attached grenade launcher, 1 round; hyper bazooka, clip-fed, 4 rounds per clip plus 1 round in chamber, can be stored on backpack storage rack
Remote weapons: 6 x fin funnel, stored on backpack storage rack
Wing Zero Custom Gundam specs..
Model number: XXXG-00W0
Code name: Wing Gundam Zero
Unit type: transformable mobile suit
Manufacturer: Quatre Raberba Winner (based on a design by Doctor J, Professor G, Instructor H, Doktor S and Master O)
Operator: Gundam pilots
First deployment: AC 195
Accommodation: pilot only, in standard cockpit in torso
Dimensions: head height 16.7 meters
Weight: empty 8.0 metric tons; max gross weight unknown
Construction: gundanium alloy
Powerplant: ultracompact fusion reactor, output rated at 3732 kW
Propulsion: rocket thrusters: 88150 kg total
Equipment and design features: sensors, range unknown; Zero System combat computer/pilot interface in cockpit; self-destruct system
Fixed armaments: 2 x machine cannon, fire-linked, mounted in torso; 2 x beam saber, stored in recharge racks in wing binders, hand-carried in use
Optional hand armaments: twin buster rifle, can be separated into two separate single-barrel buster rifles
Strike Freedom Specs...
Model number: ZGMF-X20A
Code name: Strike Freedom Gundam
Unit type: prototype assault mobile suit
Manufacturer: Three Ships Alliance (based on a design by ZAFT)
Operator(s): Three Ships Alliance; Orb Union
First deployment: C.E. 74
Accommodation: pilot only, in standard cockpit in torso
Dimensions: overall height 18.88 meters
Weight: max gross weight 80.09 metric tons
Construction: unknown
Powerplant: ultracompact hyper deuterion nuclear reactor, power output rating unknown
Equipment and design features: sensors, range unknown; Variable Phase Shift (VPS) armor; Neutron Jammer Canceler
Fixed armaments: 2 x MMI-GAU27D 31mm CIWS, fire-linked, mounted in head; MGX-2235 "Callidus" multi-phase beam cannon, mounted in torso; 2 x MA-M02G "Super Lacerta" beam saber, stored on hips, hand-carried in use; 2 x MMI-M15E "Xiphias 3" rail cannon, folded underneath hips, spread out in use; 2 x MX2200 beam shield generator, mounted on forearms; 2 x MA-M21KF high-energy beam rifle, stored on hips, hand-carried in use, can be combined
Optional fixed armaments (docked with METEOR): 2 x 120cm high-energy beam cannon, 2 x 93.7cm high-energy beam cannon, 2 x MA-X200 beam sword , 77 x 60cm "Erinaceus" anti-ship missile launchers (22 per pod, 12 per arm unit, 9 on tail fin)
Optional hand armaments: none
Remote weapons: EQFU-3X Super DRAGOON (Disconnected Rapid Armament Group Overlook Operation Network) mobile weapon wings (mounts 8 x MA-80V beam assault cannon)
Basically they're all even in terms of performance & armaments... It all breaks down to who's the better pilot.
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In terms of Armaments, I think it goes Wing Zero, Freedom, Nu.
Wing Zero's twin buster rifle is capable of destroying an entire space colony in one blast.
Strike Freedom has several beam cannons all over the suit. I think the Strike Freedom has 5 on the body, then all the Dragoons....
Nu has a beam rifle, and I guess they call them the fin funnels.
If the Wing Zero didn't have that Buster Rifle, Freedom would have the most in terms of fire power.
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The Wing Zero is just cheap, plain and simple. It was designed to be ultimate. :?
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Nu's beam rifle is one of the highest power output of all UC & second only to F91's VSBR(variable shot beam rifle) & its fin funnel can block any shell & beam type weapons including Nahel Argama's hi-mega particle cannon.
But in terms of detructive power I'll vote Turn A Gundam... It's moonlight butterfly can turn any machines in to dust( because of this gundam, the entire human race reverts back to the dark ages.)
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Nu's fin funnel can block beams? How exactly does it do that? I havn't seen Char's Counter Attack that much, but I don't remmeber it ever doing anything like that.
And which series is the Turn A Gundam from?
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Nu's fin funnel can block beams? How exactly does it do that? I havn't seen Char's Counter Attack that much, but I don't remmeber it ever doing anything like that.
And which series is the Turn A Gundam from?
Believe the series is named, Turn A Gundam (just something I think I thought I saw, but the Turn A, means a upside down A, dont kill me if I have this wrong).
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I've never seen Turn A Gundam or whatever, but maybe I should. Is it any good?
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Nu's fin funnel can block beams? How exactly does it do that? I havn't seen Char's Counter Attack that much, but I don't remmeber it ever doing anything like that.
And which series is the Turn A Gundam from?
Nu's fin funnel makes a tetrahedron formation then it creates a beam barrier.
Turn A Gundam(CC or Correct Century) is suppose to be the last gundam series uniting the 5 gundam universes(UC or Universal Century, AW or After Wars(Gundam X), FC or Future Century(G Gundam) & lastly AC or After Colony(Gundam Wing). This gundam series was written & directed by Yoshiyuki Tomino the granddaddy of all gundam series.
Here's the gist of the story....
http://anidb.info/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=anime&aid=916 (http://anidb.info/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=anime&aid=916)
This series combines the melodrama anime of the 80's with a touch of mecha anime. To me its a fairly good anime but this is just my opinion.
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Nu's fin funnel can block beams? How exactly does it do that? I havn't seen Char's Counter Attack that much, but I don't remmeber it ever doing anything like that.
And which series is the Turn A Gundam from?
Nu's fin funnel makes a tetrahedron formation then it creates a beam barrier.
Turn A Gundam(CC or Correct Century) is suppose to be the last gundam series uniting the 5 gundam universes(UC or Universal Century, AW or After Wars(Gundam X), FC or Future Century(G Gundam) & lastly AC or After Colony(Gundam Wing). This gundam series was written & directed by Yoshiyuki Tomino the granddaddy of all gundam series.
Here's the gist of the story....
http://anidb.info/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=anime&aid=916 (http://anidb.info/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=anime&aid=916)
This series combines the melodrama anime of the 80's with a touch of mecha anime. To me its a fairly good anime but this is just my opinion.
Does the Nu Gundam do that in Char's Counter Attack? I don't remmeber it ever doing that.
But in that regards, the Akatsuki can do something similar to that. If Mwu was up to the task, I think that Gundam would be able to beat the Wing Zero, since I don't think it's buster rifle would work on it. But for some retarded reason, beam swords to, while beam weapons don't, so he might get beaten in close combat, due to the Zero System.
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Does the Nu Gundam do that in Char's Counter Attack? I don't remmeber it ever doing that.
It does that in gundam evovle & several gundam games.