Chrono Compendium
Marbule Gallery - Completed Fan Creations => Crimson Echoes => Crimson Echoes Beta Testing => Topic started by: Lenophis on February 14, 2009, 08:19:50 pm
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Deleting majority of post because I suspect I'm hitting the 65,535 character post limit. I will delete fixed issues (those
struck out).
Using the initial patch Zeality posted on 2-14-09, at 7:21:03 am local time (or if not local time, board time). (All of these issues exist with Chrono'99's patch update at 4:43:11 pm local time)
Palette issues 1 (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE03.png), 2 (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE04.png), 3 (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE05.png), and 4 (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE06.png).
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Using jsondag2's patch posted on 2-16-09 at 4:12:52 am local time.
Dalton's Lab tile priority issue (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE07.png). It's hard to see, because I waited too long to hit the screenshot button. That upper Lasher's head is cut off on the left side.
All of Dalton's Lab has scrolling issues. You can see other rooms if you get close enough to the walls. I do not know if this is intended or not. JP NOTE: this is intented.....took me a month to tell you that :)
The tech the mage used says it inflicts Chaos, but this is not Chaos (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE16.png). Intentional? JP NOTE: Fix'd sorry for tkaing so long
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Continuing using the same patch by jsondag2's patch posted on 2-16-09 at 4:12:52 am local time:
Double space issue with certainty (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE23.png). This one (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE30.png), however, I'm not so sure on. Confirm?
Tile mismatch issues 1 (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE24.png), 2 (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE25.png), 3 (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE26.png) (plus a bonus line break), and 4 (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE27.png). JP NOTE: This place in general has been totally redone so I'm scratching this you can make new ones if you want
A possible grammatical error (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE32.png), though I never was an English major. The "The Earthbound think this energy is one Lavos" is what I'm looking at.
(http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/Smileys/default/icon_eek.gif) (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE33.png) My eyes hurt now.
All four dreamers in Zeal need dialogue, as well. I forgot to mention this initially.
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Using jsondag2's patch posted on February 21 at 3:10:51 am local time.
I'm not sure if this (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE38.png) is a product of the original game or this hack. (Look at the corner tiles on the shoreline). JP NOTE: I don't think we touched this OW on that continent but yet i see what you're talking about
Also, s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-show stopper (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE39.png)! Instead of running up and to the left like last time, it now puts your party together, and you cannot ever move after the battle there. You can control the camera, and move it around about 3-10 pixels in any direction. JP NOTE: Sheesh you and that fight!! Can you repro this regularly? It looks like robo, crono, marle in that order? Did you trigger from the top or something? I tried several times and couldn't make it freeze
It is now fixed. :D
The Diablos also are a mystery. Robo's Laser Spin does say it's doing damage, but after doing about 8 spins, they never die. They only die after I hit them a couple more times physically. Do they really have 1200 HP each (that's about how much I did to each one if you count Laser Spin). JP NOTE: I remember them being very difficult, JP NOTE: they have 550 HP, i killed them with only laser spins.....can you repro?
It turns out I was probably just not doing enough damage to them, because I can kill them with it. (http://leno.hypher.net/images/idiotsticker.png)
I'm now convinced there's something wrong with naming Robo. This time, I made sure that I didn't screw up his name, and the game put a space after it anyway (either that or every piece of dialogue involving him is screwed up).
Strike that, there's a problem with naming anybody. I just tried naming Frog "Frog" and the same error is now appearing with him. In fact, this problem will appear with anybody not having a 5-letter name. JP NOTE: You have to end on the last section (I confirmed this happens in CT original too....it's kind of dumb i never renamed my characters so i never noticed before)
And, is this (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/Chrono%20Trigger%20-%20Crimson%20Echoes.zst) the song you really should be hearing in the Ocean Palace? (http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/Smileys/default/icon_confused.gif)
Now that I am trading, I seem to have an endless supply (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE41.png) of Wooden Spoons. JP NOTE: Sorry not sure what the bug is, is the person not taking the wooden spoon when they should be or are you worried people will go through the trading quest and sell the spoons for infinite supply or money?
It can't counterattack (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE42.png), but I do not know why it's trying when I never hit it to begin with. (http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/Smileys/default/icon_confused.gif)
ME GOOD TESTER. OH OK (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE44.png). Wondering if an address and a bit should be shown there. JP NOTE: That's mostly for me debugging I'm not sure how that bit is set...if you can find a time when it's not set, do one action and see that it is set that'd help out (no big deal though)
There is nobody on my team named Magus (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE47.png). They are, apparently, excellent kidnappers. JP NOTE: were getting mixed feedback on this....
The save point (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE57.png) is either being presumptuous or is a fortune teller. Well, I guess if you look at it from a "we came from there" perspective, yeah, it would be the future. :P That save point is in Dinopolis, in 1 AD. JP NOTE: yea i just realize this and will probably fix them all in one batch in the future.
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The battle with the Vision Serpent started, part of it died immediately (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE59.png)
This dialogue (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE64.png) retriggered itself after the gauntlet of battles, but the battles themselves did not repeat. JP NOTE: I tried to repro this several times and couldn't
Again, I do not have anybody on my team named Magus (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE77.png). JP NOTE: were discussing this, some people like it (cause in CT Orig everyone referred to him as magus)
Ayla plays for the Kansas City Chiefs (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE80.png)? I don't think Chief should be plural there. JP NOTE: I think she's saying both Frog and lucca would make good chiefs? I'm not sure if it should be capitalized?
"If indeed shows up (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE81.png)" is not correct. At least, I don't think it is. JP NOTE: Bug'd for zeality
Another placeholder (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE82.png). JP NOTE: Bug'd for zeality
Capitalization and punctuation errors 1 (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE84.png) and 2 (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE85.png). JP NOTE: Bug'd for zeality
All dialogue that involves pressing buttons is wrong (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE87.png) if you change them around. Perhaps if you call them (Confirm), (Cancel), etc? JP NOTE: good point
An issue (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE93.png) present in the original game. Status ailments aren't carried out of battle, making the Power Meal useless. As far as I can tell, no enemies can cause this ailment. JP NOTE: haha yea i agree
Goodie, another bit (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE95.png) was set.
Is this (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE96.png) the correct spelling of fancy? JP NOTE: no idea...
Note, getting a game over on Dalton Plus throws you back to the Developer's Room. JP NOTE: The developers room will forward you to the title screen when we release
Learning the double tech "Ice Sword 2" shows up as "Learned Ice Sword."
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Using jsondag2's patch posted on February 23 at 1:11:16 am local time.
The Epoch 2 should not be at Chronopolis (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE103.png) when I left it in 605 AD. This can actually happen in a few other places. Perhaps prevent access to the room when it's not there?
Corrupted battle background (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE106.png) (happens during spell casts).
Note, I ran from just about everything in the solo sections during the post-Mammon Machine, and was able to run from this battle (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE107.png). Well, I didn't actually fully try, but I never got a "Can't run away!" message from this or any other fights during the section. JP NOTE: Hm..so atropos is obviously a bug, could you run away from crono or marls boss....would you consider it a bug to be able to run away from others?
Punctuation issue (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE109.png), and just a minor one at that. JP NOTE: Bug'd for zeality
OmniShield's animation broke (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE115.png) for this fight. JP NOTE: *sigh*
Don't know if this (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE117.png) is an issue or not. JP NOTE: Zeality?
"and Other (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE121.png)..." Not sure what is correct here. JP NOTE: Bug'd for zeality
This is not an issue at all, but I love this line (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE118.png).
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Continuing to use jsondag2's patch posted on February 23 at 1:11:16 am local time.
"Me wants to speak (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE133.png)."JP NOTE: Z has this on his plate
"I have no name (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE134.png). I'm sad now." JP NOTE: Z has this on his plate
"Now me wants to speak (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE135.png)." JP NOTE: Z has this on his plate
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Using jsondag2's patch posted on February 26, 4:20:09 am local time.
Almost all enemies in Darkness Beyond Time become discombobulated if you talk to them to fight them.
Discombobulation issue (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE154.png) in Dreamtime. Both enemies experience it. Simply talk to them.
Decapitation issues a plenty! 1 (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE144.png), 2 (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE146.png), 3 (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE147.png), 4 (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE148.png), 5 (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE149.png), 6 (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE150.png), 7 (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE151.png), 8 (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE152.png), and 9 (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE153.png).
Is this (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE155.png) the correct name of the double tech? JP NOTE:...whoa...i don't think so?
"I wasn't put on trial, my friend was (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE156.png)." Also, going up here plays Guardia Castle's normal music.
Donald Trump must not like Zenan Bridge (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE157.png).
Palette issue with the table at the fairground (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE158.png). JP NOTE: haha......damn that was my attempt to make a "burnt table"....i guess it does look kind of buggy
Double space issues with the shooting gallery (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE159.png).
Palette issue with Chrono's sword during the ending (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE160.png). JP NOTE: ..... yea...there's quite a few of these i have no idea how to fix them
Along with that, just about every piece of dialogue during the ending (the Lucca+Marle+Chrono part) all have double space, punctuation, and/or grammar issues. I'd post screenshots of that, but that's about another 25 screenshots or so. JP NOTE: the CML part is the part that is going to change. originally we didn't have the F.o.G during the game
You may also wish to disable all forms of saving during the ending. (http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/Smileys/default/icon_lol.gif) JP NOTE: Sadly we can't that i know of
Given that I've now completed the game, I must say that you guys did an excellent job with the plot. JP NOTE: Thanks :) The ending is still going to change though
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Using Chrono'99's patch posted on February 28, at 9:29:11 am local time.
The save/load screen has an issue (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE161.png). The SRAM is intact, it's just not reading correctly here. I believe this is caused by the new patch. JP NOTE: it's the chapter names, the final savestates data is leaking into the first and overwriting the level. When you load everything is still fine. We will fix it before release.
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Using jsondag2's patch posted on March 4th (patch is dated March 3) at 1:16:02 am local time.
Dalton's Lab is now (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE162.png) broken (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE163.png). Every room in the lab now has some minor corruption issues. Nothing to prevent you from completing it though. JP NOTE: I gave this a half strike through. This is a side effect of Chrono99's AWESOME new mashup of time during the final dungeon. Unfortunately it involved using what was previously "blank" tiles. However it looks like in dalton's dungeon we used these blank tiles (we obviously didn't know cause they were blank at the time). Unfortunately this will probably crop up some more later in the game. And playing through I caught a couple i missed. I was expecting some stragglers cause of this....daltons dungeon got hit hard though. The good news is we got better at using the designated "blank" tile on maps later in the game so it shouldn't happen that bad anymore.....hopefully.
I've hit a show stopper. I do not know if this is a product of the new patch or if this was left over from the old ones. I've had a 100% success rate of reproducing it though. Completing Marle's scenario is the trigger. To reproduce it, simply finish her scenario, opt to change equipment, and try and change Ayla's equipment (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE165.png). You must actually try to equip a helmet or armor on her (don't have to do it, but the equipment list for either or both slots must come up). After that, exit, and attempt to continue on to Emerald Dream II (Lucca + Robo). When it fades out, it will hang, though you'll still have menu access (Marle and Ayla will be the only remaining party members). In case you need a save file, I've provided one (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/Chrono%20Trigger%20-%20Crimson%20Echoes%203.srm). I don't know if it matters, but I did make the choice to try and fight Zeal in Pre-history. Note, if you don't try and change her equipment, it will not hang. JP NOTE: Bad go to statement was taking you to the beginning of "marles" emeral dream. which uses a special "fade in" effect that isn't used by others...causing the screen to never fade in.
Aside from that, there's also a double space (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE166.png) in Singing Mountain.
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Using jsondag2's patch (2nd attempt) posted on March 5 at 2:51:12 am local time.
I don't remember if this existed in previous patches, but if it did then I'm a moron for not catching it sooner (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE167.png). Also regarding the Vision Serpent, I think I regret bringing up that massive experience grab back in the Haucan Factory. (http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/Smileys/default/icon_lol.gif) I can't kill it now (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE168.png).
/me attempts to get a new strategy going for this fight
Many more decapitations! 1 (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE170.png), 2 (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE175.png) (plus punctuation), 3 (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE176.png), 4 (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE177.png), 5 (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE178.png), and 6 (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE179.png). JP NOTE: didn't really see a punctuation issue with 2, did you want a comma? Central regime covering head is by design
Methinks the battle is taking place nowhere near close (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE169.png). I approached this battle from the north, and it only happened once.
Text disappears on the save screen on saving. 1 (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE171.png) and 2 (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE174.png). JP NOTE: we have a thread tracking these in the other forum we'll get new names soon (it's like that cause the names don't compress to be short enough)
Your standard show stopper (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE180.png). Jumping down here gets me stuck.
These two tiles (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE181.png) disappeared after the Flea minigame. JP NOTE: I didn't ge tthe black squared but the solidity was off for those two tiles....i think fixing the solidity fix'd whatever happened in that pic
Double space issue with Belthasar (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE182.png).
And people up and disappearing (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE183.png) if you talk to them while the box is up.
I was also able to run from Coyopa, in fact, I kinda had to just to survive. JP NOTE: Replied
Some bad tiles. 1 (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE173.png) and 2 (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE172.png).
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The monsters are WAYYYYY too strong. You can't even power level without dieing practically in every fight. The monsters are over the top.
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Yeah, I think we definitely need to lower the difficulty. It's a Chrono game... Better have it a bit too easy than too hard.
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Doesn't need to be too easy, just need to tone it down a bit.
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Lenophis,
Thanks for the detailed bug report pictures speak a 1000 words! Feels like you've done this before?
I've entered a bug for the line break issue, this was almost certainly a mistake by me when doing one of zeality's many many bugs reported about line break issues :-/ I'll fix this ASAP.
I've also entered a bug for the window color, though I can't promise you much. It's probably a side effect of us making the windows red for CE. I never visited that options window throughout beta testing. I personally love the red windows so never found a reason to visit that in the settings page :). Maybe a resident hacker can just disable this totally there's been alot of research in the menu. Did you not like the red CE windows, maybe if enough people don't like them we can revert it back to what it was. If you had the choice would you rather have defaults without the CE color scheme or CE color scheme but you can't change it in the options?
Gato's Room is basically my little test bed for new enemy AI, I have a bug entered to remove that before final release. It'll probably stick around throughout the beta testing stage sorry for not giving you a heads up. I probably should have had it say "This won't be here later I promise" instead of deactivated haha.
Dev room will be no more in the release....the scrolling is me being lazy and never settingthe scroll locks (though every time i load that room i say to myself, JP go fix that damn scrolling bug).
Can you tell me more about the first pallette issue?
I'll look into the priorty issue.
If you don't mind can i strike through bugs that are no longer relevant? I'm just going to do it...sorry i want to check them while they are in my head
Thanks!
--JP
EDIT: Confirmed golem boss priorty issue and added a bug for it nice catch you can seriously blink and miss it haha.
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Lenophis,
Thanks for the detailed bug report pictures speak a 1000 words! Feels like you've done this before?
Not really, but I like to be thorough. Usually I take the approach of assuming nothing and pointing out everything.
I've also entered a bug for the window color, though I can't promise you much. It's probably a side effect of us making the windows red for CE. I never visited that options window throughout beta testing. I personally love the red windows so never found a reason to visit that in the settings page :). Maybe a resident hacker can just disable this totally there's been alot of research in the menu. Did you not like the red CE windows, maybe if enough people don't like them we can revert it back to what it was. If you had the choice would you rather have defaults without the CE color scheme or CE color scheme but you can't change it in the options?
It's not that I didn't like them, I was just checking to make sure nothing was broken.
Gato's Room is basically my little test bed for new enemy AI, I have a bug entered to remove that before final release. It'll probably stick around throughout the beta testing stage sorry for not giving you a heads up. I probably should have had it say "This won't be here later I promise" instead of deactivated haha.
Ok.
Can you tell me more about the first pallette issue?
Well, it looks odd. That sparkle was originally all blue (in the original game), but since it is consistently the same every time I've seen it I've grown to think it's intentional.
If you don't mind can i strike through bugs that are no longer relevant? I'm just going to do it...sorry i want to check them while they are in my head
Nah, that'll be fine. I'll know what to look for in future fixes.
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Fiona's Forest, ummm, something (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE10.png). This happened after the battle caused by issue 2, similar to Marle running off in her own direction. I'm not sure if this is new or not, because I could not survive solo with the old patches.
Pretty sure this is related to above correct
Yes, it is.
After the battle placed here (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE22.png), Chrono ran north and west, where the game froze. JP NOTE: Hmm, I think I fixed it...if it's the same problem you were having in Fionas forest
No, not the same issue. Chrono ran off by himself, as if an event triggered that wasn't supposed to. He ran off the screen, where I think he kept going, and the game got stuck.
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No, not the same issue. Chrono ran off by himself, as if an event triggered that wasn't supposed to. He ran off the screen, where I think he kept going, and the game got stuck.
are you able to repro this regularly?
Also what is double space issue...i'm assuming two spaces between a word or after puncutation?
--JP
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are you able to repro this regularly?
Nah, only tried it once. Was too fearful of doing it again. I'd go back and check, but an evil Nu has me stuck in Zeal with a stupid riddle. (So far I've tried Zeal, Stone, Dirt, Earth, Wrong, Nu, and Floor)
Also what is double space issue...i'm assuming two spaces between a word or after puncutation?
Yes.
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Nah, only tried it once. Was too fearful of doing it again. I'd go back and check, but an evil Nu has me stuck in Zeal with a stupid riddle. (So far I've tried Zeal, Stone, Dirt, Earth, Wrong, Nu, and Floor)
:) If you get to the point where you're going to break your laptop PM me.
--JP
EDIT: Oh yea there was other stuff: I can't repro that bug though it is definitely worrisome....i'm wondering if you somehow triggered the frog scene then hurried up and triggered that battle...? Hm...maybe i caught the double spacing in another persons bug (i'm not seeing any)
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:) If you get to the point where you're going to break your laptop PM me.
I have no laptop, but as it is, I cannot continue until I solve this riddle. I can't find anything else in Kajar, Enhasa, or the palace.
Using a process of elimination, I've concluded the following:
It cannot be anything that isn't ground, which rules out Lavos, lava, magma, snow, ice, frost, etc, etc, etc.
It's not a man-made structure, so that rules out floor, stone, tiles, etc.
The only logical choices left are dirt, earth, (the kingdom of) Zeal, sand, and none of those work.
I don't like this riddle. (http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/Smileys/default/icon_sad.gif)
EDIT: Oh yea there was other stuff: I can't repro that bug though it is definitely worrisome....i'm wondering if you somehow triggered the frog scene then hurried up and triggered that battle...?
It's possible, but I'll be doing a couple more runs over the next week so I'll get back to you if this I experience it again.
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I sent you a PM don't read it unless you give up.....Depending on how the beta testers do we'll have to add hints.. Lord J has gotten it.....not sure if Justin got it? I guess he did.
--JP
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Do you have a rough estimate of how many answers you tried? Perhaps we could have the Nu give you an additional hint once you've inputted a certain number of wrong answers.
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Well, I've turned the game off 3 times now because of this. If memory serves, I think I did 6 or 7 wrong answers (full mockery and all) before I gave up each time I turned it off.
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OK, yea that's a bug if it takes you that many times. 99's suggestion is valid and we should supply more hints. Though personally i feel like it's actually a pretty good riddle ( the answer isn't totally out there or anything) we definitely don't want people to have to guess 21 + times......
--JP
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This riddle has caused me to change my profile here for the first time since I first signed up here. That said, if anything new pops up I'll be sure to point it out.
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Wait.....just to make sure that means you are now past the riddle right?
If it makes you feel better I guarantee you within a week of release there'll be 20 people posting that they can't get past the riddle... even with the extra hint we discussed above.
--JP
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Oh, no, I didn't. I decided to start over. Thought I typed that the first time around, oh well. Want to see if any new bugs pop up, and so far I found a couple I didn't notice on my first go-around (see first post).
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oh ok. Well...when you get to the riddle again just check for the PM i sent with the answer if you can't get it.
--JP
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Lenophis,
What is your party in the second show stopper?
--JP
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Magus, Frog, and Crono, in that order.
Now that I am trading, I seem to have an endless supply (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE41.png) of Wooden Spoons. JP NOTE: Sorry not sure what the bug is, is the person not taking the wooden spoon when they should be or are you worried people will go through the trading quest and sell the spoons for infinite supply or money?
I'm not sure who is supposed to take the Wooden Spoon, but Johnny won't stop giving me Moldy Bread.
The Diablos also are a mystery. Robo's Laser Spin does say it's doing damage, but after doing about 8 spins, they never die. They only die after I hit them a couple more times physically. Do they really have 1200 HP each (that's about how much I did to each one if you count Laser Spin). JP NOTE: I remember them being very difficult, JP NOTE: they have 550 HP, i killed them with only laser spins.....can you repro?
No, not anymore. They are gone.
Also, s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-show stopper (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE39.png)! Instead of running up and to the left like last time, it now puts your party together, and you cannot ever move after the battle there. You can control the camera, and move it around about 3-10 pixels in any direction. JP NOTE: Sheesh you and that fight!! Can you repro this regularly? It looks like robo, crono, marle in that order? Did you trigger from the top or something? I tried several times and couldn't make it freeze
I believe my party the first two times were Marle, Crono, and Robo. Not sure on order. To try and reproduce it this time, I went to 605, and Frog wants me to kick some Mystic ass, but won't let me add a 3rd character. Fighting that battle with just Magus and Frog, it did not freeze.
OmniShield was broken originally? I see it has changed now. JP NOTE: nah it wasn't broken, the animations are updated thanks to FW. You like it?
I do. (http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/Smileys/default/icon_biggrin.gif)
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Magus/Frog/Crono he should say "wait you want to have a lightning user in each party. This is because you are going into a split party sequence and you're going to want a magic user in both sides (cause dinosaurs are basically impossible w/o lightning). So you can't have magus and crono.
--JP
EDIT: To fix switch magus or crono with marle/lucca or robo
EDIT: In response to the other stuff: The infinite moldy bread was to make the trading sequence less linear, you can go down the wrong path and get stuck w/o johnny replacing it....however you did remind me to check the sell value or even make the trading items "unsellable". The Frog forcing himself in your party is a save game from chapter 4 right...i'm worried cause you're definitely pass chapter 4 so you shouldn't be seeing that unless you're loading an old game? We can't let the player not have frog in the party in the chapter for obvious reasons.
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Magus/Frog/Crono he should say "wait you want to have a lightning user in each party. This is because you are going into a split party sequence and you're going to want a magic user in both sides (cause dinosaurs are basically impossible w/o lightning). So you can't have magus and crono.
--JP
EDIT: To fix switch magus or crono with marle/lucca or robo
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I should've paid more attention to that line. Whoopsie.
EDIT: In response to the other stuff: The infinite moldy bread was to make the trading sequence less linear, you can go down the wrong path and get stuck w/o johnny replacing it....
Ahhh, I did not expect this. Thanks for the clarification.
The Frog forcing himself in your party is a save game from chapter 4 right...i'm worried cause you're definitely pass chapter 4 so you shouldn't be seeing that unless you're loading an old game? We can't let the player not have frog in the party in the chapter for obvious reasons.
My save file (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE51.png) says "The Breaking Point," (I decided to branch at the choice in the Mystic Den), so if this is chapter 4 then yeah. I don't think it is though, since I went back earlier in the game (I had just gotten the Wooden Spoon, wanted to see what else Johnny had) and Frog stayed behind. When I returned, he wanted to kick some Mystic ass again (had all 3 slots available to me then).
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hhaha I'm just glad there's not another show stopper :)
For the record I do hate forcing people to not use their favorite party but during earlier pre beta stages we ran into issues where people got stuck in the split party part cause they didn't have a lightning user.
--JP
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In short, the Fay Arrow is the hero of this chapter.
This thing is a lifesaver. :D I have a feeling I'll be spending some time here, so it's a good thing this is around to keep me alive.
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Wow! You got far fast. I'll get to these after I finish this movie but can you send me an SRM file with the frog wanting to kick some mystic ass? (That's a show stopper)
--JP
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Here you go (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/Chrono%20Trigger%20-%20Crimson%20Echoes.srm). If you're wondering about controls, B is accept, A is menu, Y is cancel, X is warp.
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Chapter text isn't centered (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE76.png). JP NOTE: If i add even one space to the beginning it leaks into the next chapter
Can DTE be used there?
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Not sure what that means?
--JP
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Dual tile encoding. Getting 2 letters out of one. Better methods are MTE, but I don't think MTE had been around back in '95. DTE is generally only available for dialogue, though since the chapters are using VWF, it's possible DTE is available.
Example:
99=ve
9A=ng
9B=ha
9C= m
9D=Th
9E=st
9F=on
A0=yo
A1= b
A2=me
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ohhh, not that I know of but I also never looked. I'll check it out tomorrow. BTW: the latest patch fixes your Glenn 605 bug (hopefully).
--JP
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Note, getting a game over on Dalton Plus throws you back to the Developer's Room. JP NOTE: The developers room will forward you to the title screen when we release
Wouldn't that count as "continuing after a game over?" :P In all other cases, I was thrown to the title screen, just not for this one.
And now, for a movie I think everybody will enjoy. I call it "Adventures with Dalton (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/Chrono%20Trigger%20-%20Crimson%20Echoes.zmv)." WARNING: Thar be major spoilers in this movie, so do not watch unless you really want to. (This movie needs the patch dated 2009-02-22, posted on February 23 at 1:11:16 am local time, and Zsnes v1.51)
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Ending:
yea it's not a real ending it's suppose to be like when you die during Magus in CT: Orig
Move;
Definitely spoilers :) But that movie made me so happy! That's like the exact difficulty I was aiming for. Well atleast for the boss, the regular enemies seemed to be falling at your feet? How would you say difficulty is so far?
--JP
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Emerald Dream III (Chrono, Glenn, and Magus) was insane. There were battles where it was almost guaranteed a character would die, but you never knew which one. It was pretty balanced though, because you could take them out just as quickly. Overall, the balance hasn't swayed too far in either direction.
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Damn! You're almost done. Any chapters to easy/hard? between the emeralds and now? Also just so you know Chrono'99 is working on a new very very very end ending so keep a save game there. you can watch 90% of the ending but there will be part where you'll be like.....what the hell and that's the part that is being redone.
--JP
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Damn! You're almost done. Any chapters to easy/hard? between the emeralds and now?
Nah, difficulty has been on par with everything, though Son of Sun proved to be a pain in the ass. I pretty much needed my massive healing team just to survive it (Ayla, Robo, Frog).
I was going to ask at some point if there was any armor I could get that would reduce or absorb fire damage, because it was getting insane at some point. However, I did get past it. :D
I'm mulling over side quests at the moment (see first post), and when I feel ready I'll see if I can get to the final dungeon.
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The elemental armors from the Crono/Magus/Glenn chapter might include a fire one?.....actually maybe not. I'd have to check. The final dungeon is probably going to be ridiculously hard. I had absolutely no idea what to do with it difficulty wise. Should you make it for someone who did all the sidequests or someone who is just going through the game you know? Plus honestly at the time when I started coding it I literally had no idea what level people would be at when they got to that chapter. By the way what level are you?
So when you do start it if you find the difficulty over the top let me know and I'll try to make a patch for you within 24 hours.
--JP
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I forgot how, but I got an armor called "Forcefield" somewhere and I think it cuts Fire damage in half.
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The elemental armors from the Crono/Magus/Glenn chapter might include a fire one?.....actually maybe not.
One of the sidequests gave up a fire absorbing armor. I don't know if I'll need it later or not.
The final dungeon is probably going to be ridiculously hard.
:o
By the way what level are you?
Lucca: 49
Robo: 53
Ayla: 52
Magus: 48
Marle: 51
Frog: 49
Chrono: 50
My save file is currently in the Zeal ruins, beating up on Bashers and Lashers. I'll see if I can get the final dungeon started, gauge it, then determine my path from there.
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Difficulty regarding the Darkness Beyond Time, so far it's been manageable, if not a little bit insane. I've had some close calls (a previous play gave me a game over, because my other party was stuck with 2 members. Is that intentional?) but I am surviving.
I do have one issue with the 2-party scenario though. Y prompts you to switch parties, but I have Y mapped to be cancel and run. (http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/Smileys/default/icon_sad.gif) Was this supposed to be dynamic to be with the warp/party button?
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I've had some close calls (a previous play gave me a game over, because my other party was stuck with 2 members. Is that intentional?) but I am surviving.
This is a huge deal and not intentional, if you can repro it please give me an SRM file.
That's good news about it not being insane.....i have a ** game and I use while testing sometimes die, though I am usually playing in fast forward and sometimes get lazy.
I think the Y button is hardcode...i'm not sure exactly how to change the mapping based off custom animations..i'll look into it.
--JP
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This is a huge deal and not intentional, if you can repro it please give me an SRM file.
You'll have to backtrack a bit, but here you go (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/Chrono%20Trigger%20-%20Crimson%20Echoes%202.srm).
That's good news about it not being insane.....i have a ** game and I use while testing sometimes die, though I am usually playing in fast forward and sometimes get lazy.
The difficulty of the dungeon itself seems to be pretty good. However, I was kind of disappointed with how easy the last boss was.
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The final final boss, the final 3 bosses, or a mixture of them? Do you think you can give percentages? They should be doing twice as much damage, have 20% more HP, etc?
Thanks for the SRM i'll look into this.
--JP
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Wait....you want me to use the final save point and go back? The two person party happened during the split party sequence right? That save is past that part. If you can tell me the parties you used during the split party sequence maybe I can repro it myself?
Oh yea....congrats on finishing the game!! I believe zeality has a questionnaire for you to fill out.
--JP
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The final final boss, the final 3 bosses, or a mixture of them?
All of them.
Kasmir (Guardian + Bit) is a bit tricky, because both him and the Rubble-turned-Imp couldn't be hit by anything at first, so I spammed Super Volt over and over to win. He barely does any damage with any attacks.
Both stages of Zeal being duplicates of Zeal in CT made for a rather easy-to-win fight, since I already know what to do. On top of that, the damage done by all attacks was rather pathetic (Hallation was the only real threat). Stealing from the right hand produces garbage, too. I have no idea what I stole.
If you want to make these battle challenging, they could use some AI changes (though Kasmir's were nice, he needs more damage output).
Do you think you can give percentages? They should be doing twice as much damage, have 20% more HP, etc?
I'll fight him a couple more times, and get back to you.
Wait....you want me to use the final save point and go back? The two person party happened during the split party sequence right?
On my initial test before you posted this latest patch, yes. This time, I was stuck with a party of one. >_> My first party was Chrono, Robo, and Ayla. My second party was Magus. The other two slots were closed to me.
Oh yea....congrats on finishing the game!! I believe zeality has a questionnaire for you to fill out.
Now begins the next playthrough. I need to see how things turn out with different choices.
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Final Fights:
Spritewise we hope to get brand new final boss, I'll cook up a new enemy AI this weekend hopefully. I'm surprised they are underpowered though, I didn't change stats thinking they should be pretty close since the bosses are so late in CT: Original.....? Kasmir I can see the stats being bad though I'll edit those.
Split Party:
Damn.....I don't htink I changed anything in that location lately. I'll have to check it out.
--JP
EDIT: I'm actually going to bed now I'm getting up early to go skiing. I'll be gone most of the day. Chrono 99 if you see this can you maybe fix up the split party sequence and post a new patch for the beta testers?
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Oh yea....congrats on finishing the game!!
Thanks.
I believe zeality has a questionnaire for you to fill out.
/me anxiously awaits said questionaire
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My time at the final save point is 24:40. I do not know what my final time was after beating it, since it is not shown.
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Uh, yeah, I uh...I was going to wait to run it by him first, so I'll uh...have it soon...
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Hey I didn't want to clutter the questionnaire thread but just so you know the Calkhula (however that's spelled) questions determine the ending of that chapter. Each question's answer is a certain point value and depending on that point value during the final scene there's 3 different endings.
--JP
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Ok, this is a massive exploit (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE164.png) that anybody can do, and it's horribly in your favor. To pull off, simply fight the first fight on hard in the Colliseum over and over (alone gets 16 BP, with party gets 8 BP). Nu stands absolutely no chance of killing you. I suggest making that battle the evil battle you see in Belthasar's Lab in the original (6 Nu, 3 of them bring you to 1 HP, the other 3 do 1 damage each).
Optionally, you could outright prevent access to the Colliseum until point x in the game.
A movie (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/Chrono%20Trigger%20-%20Crimson%20Echoes.zm9) to demonstrate how easy it would be rack up the BP. (Requires patch dated March 3)
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hrm.....would it even be possible to beat 6 nus alone with on solo if you didn't kill them in one hit?
--JP
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I'm still working on trying to beat Psycho Spekkio (pink Nu) alone, if it makes you feel any better.
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haha yea it's tough....in fact before cybersnarkany totally pwnd the heir to the masamune contest I thought it'd be impossible.
I'll put a bug for the first battle and try out different combos.
--JP
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Note, I ran from just about everything in the solo sections during the post-Mammon Machine, and was able to run from this battle (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/CT%20-%20CE107.png). Well, I didn't actually fully try, but I never got a "Can't run away!" message from this or any other fights during the section. JP NOTE: Hm..so atropos is obviously a bug, could you run away from crono or marls boss
I don't remember now. I'll check it again when I get there.
would you consider it a bug to be able to run away from others?
That depends. Some of these battles were pretty annoying, and I didn't want to put up with the possibility of dying. On the other hand, if you guys never intended to be able to run away from these battles, then yeah, that's likely a bug. :P
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I don't remember if this existed in previous patches, but if it did then I'm a moron for not catching it sooner. Also regarding the Vision Serpent, I think I regret bringing up that massive experience grab back in the Haucan Factory. I can't kill it now.
Did you eventually beat it? I may have given her a new AI. If it's to difficult can you give me percentages (10% less damage, 20% less HP etc).
--JP
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Yeah, I got past. My strategy changed to more suitable healing (Lapis helps!) plus nice damage output with Fire Tackle. The battle is fine, just need to use your head.
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Hm it sounds like coyopa was too hard? Any percentages there? That's actually kind of surprising cause I think it might be the same AI as azala had which....was kind of meh in CT?
--JP
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The damage from all attacks were pretty massive, and Chaos status wasn't helping. I'm not sure what to suggest for this one.
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You're talking about coyopa at the end of porre base? If you ever run into a battle this bad it helps if you can make a saved game and just post it (like i mentioned in the difficulty thread) that way I can try out with people at normal levels instead of the ** game I have for testing.
--JP
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You're talking about coyopa at the end of porre base?
Yep.
If you ever run into a battle this bad it helps if you can make a saved game and just post it (like i mentioned in the difficulty thread) that way I can try out with people at normal levels instead of the ** game I have for testing.
Hahahahah, oops.
/me hides
Wish I had remembered about that. As an alternative, the best I can do is this: (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/party00.png) (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/party01.png) (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/party02.png) (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/party03.png) (http://slickproductions.org/img/fudge/party04.png)
I'm currently set to go after Dalton (Dalton's Last Stand). Or would the SRAM itself still work, provided you could clear the proper bits to do that portion over again?
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Just wanted to let you guys know, I didn't disappear. My brother had been in town, and he left a couple of days ago. I decided to take the rest of the week off from doing much of anything. But, now that there's a new week in hand I'll be back to my normal self. :D
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Awesome! I was about to start PMing you relentlessly :)
--JP
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Well, blah. So much for that. Due to awesome things not related to you guys (http://slickproductions.org/forum/index.php?board=4.0), my time towards CE has dropped drastically. As a result, we should have a new movie to show off soon.
This was bound to happen, I didn't anticipate it happening as soon as it did. Sorry guys.
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Looks cool! Good luck!
--JP