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Enhasa Halls - Chrono Series Analysis => Characters, Plot, and Themes => Topic started by: girls call me pogi on March 01, 2005, 08:26:34 pm
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When you defeat him at his castle, he's sent to 12,000 B.C. and you're sent to the Prehistoric Ages. He warned Queen Zeal that Crono and co. would show up to cause trouble, but how did he know you'd end up in the Dark Ages?
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He probably figured that the party was sent to the same location in time as he was.
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One portal normally equals one timeline. It was safe to assume that they would all come out in the same era, but what Magus didn't know was that they didn't go to Zeal era, but to the prehistoric era...He didn't know, but probably figured better safe than sorry.
edit: one minute Faulce! :(
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He was sent straight to 12,000 B.C. while they were sent to 65,000,000 B.C. How could Magus know they'd show up in Zeal?
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Why wouldn't they? They all went through the same portal, so he probably thought they came out in Zeal at the same time as he did, but just somewhere else. He had no way of knowing they went to 65,000,000 BC.
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How though? They were sucked in the same portal, but to different time periods. Remember when Ayla gathered Crono and co. from the mountains? Magus wasn't there.
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That's...What....I'm saying...Magus thought they DID end up in Zeal. How could he know they ended up in 65,000,000BC if they went through the same portal??? He couldn't! He doesn't! That's what I'm saying. He says they'll be in Zeal because that's where he thinks they are.
Either that, or he saw Robo and realized they came from the future.
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OHHH I see what you mean now. What does seeing Robo have to do with anything?
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Well, Robo is obviously made of technology not present in 600 AD (at least, obvious to us, it may not be so to them; no one else comments on him), so Magus might have surmised that they traveled back through time. I'm still not sure exactly how this connects to Zeal, though.
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We can presume that Magus knew that Crono and the others were time travelers. After Crono rescued Queen Leene, the time travellers existence was common knowledge in the Royal Court and Magus would have learned of this through whatever spies or intelligence the Mystics employed. Very likely, the Mystics in Truce Canyon also observed the passage of the travellers through the GATE. After Magus arrived in 12000 AD, knowing that the travellers had a method of time travel, it was only logical for him to conclude that they would pursue him in Zeal.
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You're overlooking the simplest solution. Magus simply remembered that they would be there. Remember, Janus confronts the party soon after they arrive in Zeal. Janus grows up to be Magus, and once Magus returns to Zeal, it wouldn't take to my time to get reoriented as to where he was in the timeline, based on his memories, and become a prophet. He even states that this was his strategy at North Cape.
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only thing is, that orginally, they were not there. Orginally, before Crono went after Marle, the whole Zeal and Ocean Palace thing went on without Crono and Co., and without Magus (Magus as in not Janus). The strategy that he talks about at North Cape was general historical facts that he used.
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You're overlooking the simplest solution. Magus simply remembered that they would be there. Remember, Janus confronts the party soon after they arrive in Zeal. Janus grows up to be Magus, and once Magus returns to Zeal, it wouldn't take to my time to get reoriented as to where he was in the timeline, based on his memories, and become a prophet. He even states that this was his strategy at North Cape.
the simpler.. the merrier :)
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You're overlooking the simplest solution. Magus simply remembered that they would be there. Remember, Janus confronts the party soon after they arrive in Zeal. Janus grows up to be Magus, and once Magus returns to Zeal, it wouldn't take to my time to get reoriented as to where he was in the timeline, based on his memories, and become a prophet. He even states that this was his strategy at North Cape.
Yeah, Magus would not remember Crono and the Party simply because they weren't there. Sure, they then went back and slightly modified things but Magus would not remember this because as a Time Traveler he's protected from changes in the Timeline; he remembers only what originally happened. Read the Article on Time Travel for more on this.
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its possible that Magus was sent to a few years prior to 12000 BC, and then he could use his memories of things that happened up to the point that Crono got there and started changing things to convince people he was a prophet.
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its possible that Magus was sent to a few years prior to 12000 BC, and then he could use his memories of things that happened up to the point that Crono got there and started changing things to convince people he was a prophet.
it's probably true. it took some time to magus to gain the status of prophet inside Zeal palace. but year... i dunno maybe month..
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I don't see why his time factor means anything...I think it could be as short as a week or a few days...When you start to accurately predict future events, people will lable you a prophet...Especially with the odd sort of past mentality that Zealians very easily probably had...
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yes, but do you think there would be alot of semi-major events worth that he predicited worthy of him getting to the Queen? I think he would have needed more time to build prestige.
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i concur with sentenal; after all zeal is magic civilisation, not a primitive one.
i don't think they are so gullible..
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Not gullable? What about the whole harnessing Lavos energy? What about everyone looking the other way when it came to the Earthbound ones? The only ones I wouldn't lable gullable would be the Gurus and Schala...
Zeal also thought she could win against Crono & Co. *tisk tisk*
Not to mention, Magus is a master Shadow magic wielder...I think it all could have come into play...I mean, he knew pretty much everything that Janus would do and everything Janus would see...
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Here's some quotes from Zealians :
I heard a strange prophet has come to
the palace.
I don't know the details...but I heard he
has uncanny powers.
This man only "heard" about him, so the Prophet might not be that famous actually.
The Queen's aide, Dalton, was in charge
of the Ocean Palace, until some
traveling prophet took over.
He's in a bad mood so you should avoid
him.
I don't know if the guy is referring to Dalton or the Prophet when he says he's in "a bad mood", but anyway, doesn't it imply the event is rather recent? If the Prophet had replaced Dalton for months, the NPC wouldn't say he's just in a "bad mood", but more something like he's "vengeful" or "he's still angry about it"...
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O_o then it's quick work from magus. he is not part of the zeal family for nothing.
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You also have to remeber that time flows the same throught the game, so all the time Magus had to become the prophet was however much time it took for the group to defeat Azala and find the gate. Which couldn't have been much more than a week. The majority of the time would be taken up by them resting after Ayla found them up at the mountain.
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yes, time flows the same, but that does not mean that he as transported to 12000BC.
Anyway about this gullible thing about Zeal: sure, they though they could harness Lavos's power. For practical purposes, Queen Zeal did. They just plain didn't like the Earthbound people, so thats why they turned the other way.
I just find it unlikely Magus could get into the highest ranks in Zeal in a week, and get command of the Ocean Palace in a few days.
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it's also possible that magus was there for a moment, but manage recently to access the high rank of prophet. thus it's explain Dalton sentence about him.
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Don't forget that Janus accurately predicted the death of Crono before he was sent through the portal to become the Magus of the 600's. If that isn't prophetic, then what is?
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Don't forget that Janus accurately predicted the death of Crono before he was sent through the portal to become the Magus of the 600's. If that isn't prophetic, then what is?
He didn't predict that Crono was going to die, just that one of them would have. That was purely from feeling the black wind, and also knowing its association with death.
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He didn't predict that Crono was going to die, just that one of them would have. That was purely from feeling the black wind, and also knowing its association with death.
It was still a prediction none the less, so I don't see why there is a questioning of his prophetic powers.
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The Blackwind isn't really a prophetic power. It is the negative energy that the whole Zeal family can feel. When anyone around them will die, they sence it...
Queen Zeal even says "A false prophet!" to Magus when Crono and gang are in that vortex with the Mammon Machine, and with Schala. This is the moment before Crono dies x.x
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The Blackwind isn't really a prophetic power. It is the negative energy that the whole Zeal family can feel. When anyone around them will die, they sence it...
Queen Zeal even says "A false prophet!" to Magus when Crono and gang are in that vortex with the Mammon Machine, and with Schala. This is the moment before Crono dies x.x
It does not always portray death, Magus sensed it before they fought at his castle, but no one dies there (or is supposed too, if you don't suck :) ). I have a feeling that certain people influence the wind, but who exactly I do not know.
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we really dont know what the black wind is anyway...
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It does not always portray death, Magus sensed it before they fought at his castle, but no one dies there (or is supposed too, if you don't suck :) ). I have a feeling that certain people influence the wind, but who exactly I do not know.
But doesn't the whole castle disappear? That would make a lot dead Mystics...
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Maybe the Black wind is just the Zeal family's vibes?
Maybe Queen Zeal feels the Black Wind when shes about to get cramps and PMS :shock:
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not only did the whole castle disappear, but remmber all those poor mystics you had to kill on your way to him?
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Direa has the same power to see the wind that surrounds people, although she doesn't call it "black" wind. So the power seems to exist outside the Zeal family.
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Maybe there are different magnitudes to the wind. Maybe the wind is an omen of battle, and when it gets strong enough, then that means someone will die.
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It does not always portray death, Magus sensed it before they fought at his castle, but no one dies there (or is supposed too, if you don't suck :) ). I have a feeling that certain people influence the wind, but who exactly I do not know.
But doesn't the whole castle disappear? That would make a lot dead Mystics...
Hmm I didn't think of that. Works for me :)
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that or maybe the black wind is a strong sign of bad Omen
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It originates from Middle-Eastern lore; it's like to bad aura or wind that blows when someone has died or is near death.
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Along the lines of Magus/Janus having psychological problems, the balck wind could be a projection of his psychological state (that may be amplified with his magic). Sort of like Donnie Darko and the time spears.
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What are you talkin' about? Donnie was a superhero...
Also, if it were just Magus's mental state, would it also transfer to Schala?
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How the Hell could Magus's mental state transfer to Schala? Schala seems to have alot of mental power, this is proved in how long it took for the DoT to even try to absorb her, which still didn't happen for like what? 10000 years?.
Also, I don't remember Magus' castle being destroyed. In 1000AD, the castle is there, but it has like a moat around it so you cant get into it. It was probably abandoned and run down after Magus "dissapeared".
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the castle wasnt even there after you defeat magus in 600.
and as for "transfer", he was refering to the consept.
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What are you talkin' about? Donnie was a superhero...
Also, if it were just Magus's mental state, would it also transfer to Schala?
What exactly are you talking about? I never said anything about Schala.
And although Donnie was symbolically a superhero (as is Magus if you hold Joseph Campbell's analysis to be plausible), he did have a different psychological aspect of reality, not necessarily a problem I guess.
What I was trying to say was that most of the great "seers" of reknown were seen as schizo's or as psychologically disturbed, whether they really did have problems is of little importance. All I'm saying is that Magus shares some similarities with Donnie, in that both seem (from the outside) to have problems, both have the ability to see the future, and both have great power.
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I think V_Translanka is referring to the fact that Schala feels the Black Wind too, even though she doesn't appear as nuts as Janus...
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The Magus' castle disappears after you defeat him and Lavos open that huge gate.
Also, if it were just Magus's mental state, would it also transfer to Schala?
If Magus is a schizo or something, are you suggesting that also Schala would share the same mental problem because they're brothers?
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The Magus' castle disappears after you defeat him and Lavos open that huge gate.
Also, if it were just Magus's mental state, would it also transfer to Schala?
If Magus is a schizo or something, are you suggesting that also Schala would share the same mental problem because they're brothers?
coughSIBLINGScough
Not necessarily, if whatever this impled condition is it is most likely genetic. So if it is a recessive trait Schala wouldn't have it garunteed if Janus had it.
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The Magus' castle disappears after you defeat him and Lavos open that huge gate.
Also, if it were just Magus's mental state, would it also transfer to Schala?
If Magus is a schizo or something, are you suggesting that also Schala would share the same mental problem because they're brothers?
Schala isn't a guy! HOW DARE YOU DISGRACE SCHALA!!!
*Die hard Schala Fan*
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The Magus' castle disappears after you defeat him and Lavos open that huge gate.
Also, if it were just Magus's mental state, would it also transfer to Schala?
If Magus is a schizo or something, are you suggesting that also Schala would share the same mental problem because they're brothers?
coughSIBLINGScough
Not necessarily, if whatever this impled condition is it is most likely genetic. So if it is a recessive trait Schala wouldn't have it garunteed if Janus had it.
Firstly, regarding the Janus and Schala being 'brothers' thing, I honestly think that it was just a typo on the guy's part, and he meant 'siblings'...but that's beside the point.
To my mind, I'd see Schala, at least post-Chrono Cross, as suffering from the same metal problems, as it were, that Magus is. Furthermore, it is doubful that his are 'problems', per say, as it is rather a darkness brought about by ceaseless thoughts of vengeance, and dark learning. He feels the shadows of the Demon in Zeal, and later, being obsessed with his quest, gives no thought to others. But he is not schitzophrenic or mentally unstable, however bitter and dark he may be: he knows truth from illusion, knows how to act in courtly manners when it suits his ends (see Radical Dreamers), and is not unlearned... only quick to anger and overprideful. I'd think him not even so nasty as such rulers like Assyrian Ashurbanipal, and certainly not nearly so evil as Vlad the Impaler. Even Alexader the Great himself had greater ambitions and desire for conquest. I would think him less dark than he makes out, and that bitterness of his being only a superficial charcter trait. Schala, on the other hand, has it far worse, is nastier, darker, and more powerful, than even her much maligned brother. Not in Zeal, to be sure, and neither her incarnation as Kid, but after all of that. I have difficulty believing that even the CC could heal her fully, and that she comes out of that torment without any scars to show for it.
So, essentially, I would wager that both of the children of the Queen of Zeal share the same mind, and both from the same root, that is, Lavos in his various guises (for Janus the folly-ridden path of vengeance he gives his life to, for Schala her eternal torment in the Tesseract.) The only difference between the two would be that Schala, being somewhat more wise than her younger brother, would have more restraint, and be able to hide it. Does any of this make sense? I explored that in better words in my story, this idea of Janus and Schala having a similar bloodlust and the like. It would probably be best to use those words; they exemplify what I mean better, and are more clear:
"And to this title you must promptly add 'Janus the hot headed fool who thinks to much of himself,'" Schala replied. "Had Zeal endured, I should have been queen in my turn; if you lament the loss of such captainship, look only at what fate has wrested from me: the rule of the greatest kingdom the world has ever seen. Such things were not our destiny. And perhaps it was well, for if history is to be judge of your leadership, you would be found lacking."
With a blaze of anger in his eyes he said:
"That was merely a means to my end. I have told you this many a time. History has vindicated me of fault, for my sole desire was not the ruin of Guardia, nor mastery and lordship of the lands, but to rise in power."
"For vengeance," she said wearily, plainly having heard the very words from him many times before.
"Yes, vengeance. For me, for the world, and for our fallen land. How else could I build my power to such strength with which I could challenge the Demon? I did as the Mystics had me do, and led them along their path so long as it suited my own designs. And did I not make good on my intent, sister? Did I not summon Lavos himself to my fortress to do battle with him?"
"Yes, as a fool, my brother, for surely you failed. By rights you should be dead now. For we all know that after that day the Mystic armies faltered, and their beloved Magus never returned."
He glowered at her, saying:
"That fate is gone forever; I am not dead now, and so I did not die then. And even if that was once my destiny, fate had me die a noble death, for it was in saving the world that I perished."
"Do not colour your mis-truths so lightly, Janus," she said, and her voice was one of gentle, sisterly, reproach. "You cared nothing for the world, and your only desire was to pay due to your enemy the injustice it had dealt out upon you. There was no holy honour in your self-serving vengeance."
"There are times when one must worry only about oneself, and dismiss the fate of others, if only to survive. Think you it an easy thing to cast pity from one's heart, and to force oneself to dissemble all kind emotion and caring? To not weep tears at the death of friends, to make one's lips laugh at cruelty and the drawing of blood, to perforce live a life of bloodlust and deal harshly, and even evilly, with those near? I walked those paths for so long, I can even now scarce see any other way to live. But I am not by nature evil: those things pained me deeper than words can tell, and I still bear remorse for every one of my misdeeds; I only justify myself through purpose and end. But am I not changed, now? Sister, why must you always deride me so? Can I do nothing with pure intent in your sight? Am I still the Sorcerer to your eyes?"
"I remind you of your place, Janus, and restrain your pride. But for me you would cease all caution. You are mighty, in some ways more so than I myself am, but lack the wariness that proceeds from wisdom. Take care, and learn this."
For a moment it seemed to Serge that Janus would protest bitterly. But he did not. Nor did he glare in vehemence as he often did. Instead he lowered his eyes, as if in shame over the rebuke.
"Perhaps you speak truly. My heart cannot abandon its old pride, no matter how bitterly I struggle against it. Lavos, and my folly ridden vengeance, have left their marks deep, I am afraid."
That was regarding Janus. Also, regarding Schala, and the way I think she would be post-Chrono Cross...
“You think ill of him for it? Serge, do not fault him too much: he has suffered the span of his life. Remember what he has said: Lavos has left a deep scar. He knows his own follies well enough, I dare-say, but cannot act contrary to what is his nature. I am certain he repents most bitterly every day of his vehemence and anger, but is cursed with being ever in thrall to it. And this, too: if you would judge him, you must do the very same against me, for he and I are not so far removed of mind.”
“No, you’re quite different,” Serge said quite adamantly. “He’s very bitter with nearly everyone, even his friends; I’m glad that I can usually avoid him. But you seem calm, and...”
“You have said it! I seem one way. But, Serge, twixt, how I appear and how I truly am there is a great disparity, as it is with many things. Be wary in this world, and discern closely. For my mood is nearly the same as his,” she said with a deep sigh. “I but dissemble it through a greater will, and allow what wisdom is mine to overrule foolish and misleading passion.”
“I still don’t believe it,” Serge replied. But he saw or, rather, took a nearer note of his memory, thinking for the first the grim tone in which Schala spoke of some things.
“Have you never looked into my eyes?” she said to his disbelief. “Have you never seen that evil flame that burns within me?”
He nodded, and to his mind come the memory of her fell battle-mood. He had wondered about it at the time, but the continuing war had driven it from his mind. Only now did he think on it again.
“I am still a slave to that evil,” she said softly. “And ever I am on the brink of falling to its corruption, and so I must always guard myself. That is why I do not welcome this new war. I do not wish to give that darkness a free hand to overcome me. And my heart forewarns me that if battle should fall upon us, which seems now a certainty, it will be difficult to restrain all my dark strength. This is even as it is for Janus, who is still a slave to his own dark will at times.”
“Kid,” he said, stressing her younger name, perhaps without thought saying it in the uncertainty of this dark talk, “how can you compare yourself to him? I’ve never heard you say anything wrong of anybody.”
“Not with voice, no. But if you mark my eyes, the disdain is there nonetheless. To most my words are but lies or, rather, I say what I deem I should say, rather than what I feel and wish. I abhor the weakness that is shown by this rabble of peasants, though my reason tells me it is a groundless and dark pride, and only a grain of memory of my princess-hood grown to over-bearing pride through the corrupting touch of Lavos. But sins of the mind are no less grievous than those of speech.”
“But your brother’s way more critical and proud than you ever are, I’m sure,” Serge insisted, but Schala only said:
“Ha! Is he, now? Again, Serge, you would be much mistaken if you think that that which is put forth in words is the only truth. To you I hold no ill feelings, but I am not as joyful as I may appear. Schala is every bit as bitter as Janus is,” she paused a moment, then said: “No, the darkness is deeper. My brother had his mind tainted by ill teaching of sorcery and ceaseless thoughts of dark vengeance. But I, Schala of Zeal, am far darker than he, for I was joined with the blackest evil to ever afflict this world. If Lavos has left a mark upon Janus, how much more has he left a scar upon me. But for Kid, I would not be so much different than he is. Her righteousness, and Schala’s wisdom, are perhaps the only things that hold the evil in guard.”
She turned from Serge.
“Pray for my sake, and all those whom I might call enemy, that they never fail.”
To my view, Lavos messes up and corrupts a lot of things, these two mighty ones being among them.
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I don't think that Schala would have suffered any mental problems other than losing faith in people for a while. She was encaged inside that magic barrier, riding on Lavos' back. My theory is that she used some of her magic to protect her while Lavos was trying to fuse with her. She did look kinda peaceful sleeping inside that barrier. Anything that she did like cause the magnetic storm was pure dreaming, which came to life. It would make sence since CC is based all on dreaming, and Schala could have easily drempt the whole saving herself thing by herself.
Schala also always seems to have alot of mental strength vs things. She did always resist going with the who Lavos-is-better-than-the-sun-stone project in Zeal. She was just to good of a daughter to abandon her mother, who would even kill her for immortality.
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I don't think that Schala would have suffered any mental problems other than losing faith in people for a while. She was encaged inside that magic barrier, riding on Lavos' back. My theory is that she used some of her magic to protect her while Lavos was trying to fuse with her. She did look kinda peaceful sleeping inside that barrier. Anything that she did like cause the magnetic storm was pure dreaming, which came to life. It would make sence since CC is based all on dreaming, and Schala could have easily drempt the whole saving herself thing by herself.
Schala also always seems to have alot of mental strength vs things. She did always resist going with the who Lavos-is-better-than-the-sun-stone project in Zeal. She was just to good of a daughter to abandon her mother, who would even kill her for immortality.
Ah, but Chrono Cross says differently, in that matter! Granted, she was good before, but what evil thing is in origin evil? Remember what Kid herself was: a last resort by Schala, before the Time Devourer fully corrupted her. So she must have been fully a part of that abominable thing; appearances can be deceiving, after all, and I doubt her seeming peace was representative of truth. She was, at that time, fully evil; her goodness had been overcome by the will of Lavos and, whatever strength she possessed was bent to the will of the Demon. That would be a terrible thing to endure and, as I said, I doubt that anybody could come through something like that unscathed, even through the use of that Dragon relic.
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I took it as Schala being sane till she was merged with Lavos to make the TD, at which point she made kid with the last sane part of her brain. Kid and schala refusing at the end, along with the CC would probably have healed her.
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Direa has the same power to see the wind that surrounds people, although she doesn't call it "black" wind. So the power seems to exist outside the Zeal family.
Maybe Direa's power revolves around sensing people's wind, and trained to sense the wind, while Janus & family are able to sense the Black Wind only as a side-effect to their great magic ability.
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It originates from Middle-Eastern lore; it's like to bad aura or wind that blows when someone has died or is near death.
Makes sense, since Magus runs a very strong parallel with Muhamad.
Actually, after some research, I've found that the black wind "huayra yana" is mentioned in a prophecy in which the ground shakes greatly and threatens to swallow the earth. The black wind acts as an omen of this destruction. Sounds familiar, no?
(The prophecy is called "usul" by the way, and is very signifigant to the stuff going on in the Middle-East today)
Ah, almost forgot: Muhammad was also born in 571 Ad, so the periods of Magus' life and Muhammad's life are quite close. (I think Magus was 26 in 600 AD, but I don't know exactly how old he was when he went in the portal.)
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Janus probably would have been around 7-9 when he was ported.
On the topic of Schala. The game indicates that she was healed even if she was not merged with Kid (which it seems like that she acctually was).
Any other debate on her not being healed would purely be superstition, but that isn't fun because I like debates.
But the game does kinda make it cure that the only way that Schala would ever be healed is only if the Chrono Cross works.. It does, Schala is healed.
And don't forget that the Chrono Cross is made up of the Tear of Love and the Tear of Hate. This resembles Kid and Schala. If Kid is the good (love) side of Schala's former mind, then if Schala (hate since thats all thats left) merges with Kid, it would be cliched to the Chrono Cross, in this way she probably becomes normal again.
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Magus was no fool. He made his living by being aware of his surroundings and surely he must have arched a brow when that strange trio of misfits showed up in his lair wielding the fully animate Masamune and fought him well enough to distract his attention ahead of the Lavos summon. When Magus was flung back to the Dark Ages, he probably ascertained quickly enough that Crono & Co. had not been flung along with him, but you can bet he expected them to find their way to Zeal someday. The sight of the Masamune must have particularly intrigued him in that regard.
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He probably figured on some measure of time travel, being that only Melchior would've been able to fix it, and for all Magus knew, Melchior had died in Zeal.
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Magus did predict that Crono and co. would make their way to Zeal. My memory is a bit fuzzy, but when you first when into Zeal's throne room, didnt the Prophet say something like, "These are the trouble makers I warned you about" or something like that. Although I don't know if the Masamune would have hinted to that or not.
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Magus wouldn't not have ever thought that Melchior died... Because Melchior was the last Zealian that Janus was around before they were ported.
A Zealian at the Last Village says something like :
"Melchior tried to save Janus from a dark vortex" or something.
Melchior seems close to Janus, even in the Earthbound Agetty incident.
Though Magus never mentions anything about Melchior, I can kinda see that if Melchior would have tried to save Janus, Melchior was like a guardian to him, just like the other guru's were to Schala.
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Why wouldn't he have thought that? After all, he never saw Melchior again.
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Like the other Gurus were to Schala? I think the Gurus were close to the children because of their bloodline if nothing else...I mean, I think Melchior would have tried to save almost anybody...But then again, that's in the Altered timeline...In the original version though, Janus saw all three Gurus get sucked into portals before he too was...
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well, Belthasar seems close enough to Schala. In 2300 in CT, he rambles about her, and he engineered all the events of CC to save her...
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Well the only reason that Melchior was near Janus was because they both were in teh earthbound village when Schala was kidnapped. They probably stayed there, knowing that the group was going to confront the Queen I am sure they thought that the safest place to be was in Algetty
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While I'm pretty sure Melchior's still there, I'm pretty sure that Janus dissappears after Schala's kidnapped...I assumed that, since they were transported away, that they had to have gotten to the Ocean Palace at some point like what happened in the original timeline took place again, only with just Janus and Melchior going into the same gate...Which by itself brings up it's own set of questions...
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they were shallowed up, so they are not still in 12000bc. they would have time traveled, so the time bastard would have killed them(okay, "sent to the darkness beyond time!").